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Climate Change Misinformation: Tracing the Funding to Greedy People · How To Protect The Ocean

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  For almost half a century, we have been trying to
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  talk about climate change and make sure that people are aware that
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  the climate is changing and the consequences that come along with that.
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  But over those 50 years, we have seen a series
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  of campaigns that feel relentless against
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  scientists, against conservationists, against people who are
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  trying to make sure that everybody, you and I, know
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  about what the what climate change will bring to us.
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  And it's funded by people who have investments
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  in oil. We've been talking about this for, like I said, half a
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  century. But the people who have been funding this have been getting away
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  with it, even though we kind of knew who they were. There's an article that's
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  now posted that shows what people and
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  what companies are donating to these campaigns and
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  why they benefit from the fossil fuel industry.
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  And today we're going to be talking about the frustrations that I felt and
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  other people have felt about climate change and why people just aren't getting
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  it. And now we even see even now to this day where we
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  see the consequences that people are continue to, you
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  know, speak out against it and make sure that we
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  can't do any more progress from a government standpoint as
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  much as we need to do because of these misinformation
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  campaigns. So we're going to talk about that on today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
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  Let's start the show. Hey
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  speakupforblue.com forward slash newsletter. Let's
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  get into the episode. There is one of my new of
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  this article that I was talking about earlier about how there are
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  organizations that funded That were funded to spread
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  lies to the public This
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  article came from a new a new website that I really love called the cooldown
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  calm It's all about just sort of ways that we can help in
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  terms of dealing with climate change. It has like business, auto tech,
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  outdoors, all this kind of stuff. And this is in the business section. I'm going to
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  link to the article in the show notes or the description wherever you're watching.
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  If you're watching on YouTube, it's in the description below. But
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  check it out. Check out the site. Check out this article. It's a really interesting article
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  that leads to a different article, which I'm actually going to highlight
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  in the show notes because it's an article that will actually show
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  the report, the fossil fuel philanthropy report. basically saying
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  that there are companies and organizations, non-profit organizations,
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  like organizations who get a tax rebate. that
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  are getting funded to spread lies. Not
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  only just lies, but to spread apathy. So I'll
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  take you back to a time where people started
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  to talk about climate change. Scientists were starting to make people know. You saw
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  scientists make people know about the ozone layer.
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  They said, hey, you know what? There's a hole in the ozone layer, and this is what's causing it.
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  It's like a bunch of CFCs. and if i was an 80s i
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  was a 70s baby i grew up in the 80s and 90s and i remember watching
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  shows like cartoons like gi joe kind of stuff
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  and gi joe used to have this little thing at the end it
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  was like a little segment called the more you know and
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  or knowing is half the battle I think is is is what it was more you
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  know is NBC thing but knowing is half the battle was
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  a G. I. Joe kind of saying and it basically talk is about a variety different
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  things don't take candy from strangers know how to call 911 and
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  who's a friend who's not all this kind of stuff But they also
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  talked about the ozone layer and how the ozone layer, actually I think it
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  was one of the episodes was about the ozone layer, how there's like CFCs
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  in aerosol cans that was causing the
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  hole in the ozone layer. So back then, in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, We're
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  like, oh, OK, so there's a hole in the ozone layer and it's caused by
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  these CFCs. So governments got together and said, you know what? Not
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  only do we have to stop buying these aerosol cans, but we have to stop putting
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  CFCs in these aerosol cans. So basically put the
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  element or the chemical that was causing the hole in the ozone layer, we
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  need to stop putting that in the aerosol cans because that's what the scientists are saying is
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  it's causing the hole in the ozone layer. And they did that. They
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  actually took it out. And so aerosol cans didn't have that. And hey,
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  guess what? The hole in the ozone layer got smaller, right?
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  There you go. Scientists identify the problem. The policy
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  goes in for the government. People are like, yeah, we can't do this.
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  Let's listen to the scientists. OK, let's put into policies,
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  put into regulation, and businesses stop putting it in there. Perfect.
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  Problem pretty much solved. It closed. It's opened again,
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  but for a different reason. But now, in
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  the 80s, we had acid rain. So basically, the chemicals that were going into
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  the atmosphere from a variety of different things, a lot of it had
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  to do with mining. Because I remember in Sudbury, Ontario, near where
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  I live, just north of where I live, like four hours, five hours north, there
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  was acid rain. So what was happening is there was chemicals that were getting the air
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  from, I believe it was from mining, if I remember correctly. And then it
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  made the rain more acidic and it was causing devastation
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  to the environment. So scientists identified that,
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  governments got together and said, hey, you know what? We should stop this. So let's
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  put on regulations of what was causing it and let's stop acid
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  rain. Acid rain went down. We don't hear about acid rain again because it's
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  not that much of a problem as it was back in the 80s and 90s. And
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  now, because scientists identified it, that's great. Now,
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  come to climate change. In the 70s, scientists started to talk about climate
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  change. 80s, 90s, we're starting to say, hey, you know what? We really
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  need to look out for this because it's getting worse. And it's caused by
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  the chemicals that are put out for the fossil, the burning fossil fuels. So
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  you're looking at carbon dioxide. You're looking at methane gas
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  and other greenhouse gases that were warming the atmosphere and
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  that was causing changes and shifts in the environment. So it was warming
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  the waters. It was causing the water to be more acidic,
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  right? And it was causing a lot of sea level to rise. It was causing the
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  glaciers to melt. But all of a sudden, there
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  started to be information being like trying to get rid of that information, right?
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  Trying to combat that information. Be like, no, no, scientists are just
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  being This is a bunch of hippies that are doing that are saying this and
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  they want us to stop it We don't really need to stop. It's okay. We could
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  just continue don't believe in climate change climate change is not a
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  thing That was the messaging all throughout the 90s and probably most of
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  the 2000s that we've had so far And it wasn't until
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  recently the like last 10 years where we started to see
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  campaigns be like, you know what? Like climate change is here. Yes,
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  it's it's here like it's cause and it's a little bit caused by humans actually for
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  a while. They used to say I remember all man. I remember this was like I
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  think it was like in the late 90s or early 2000s. It
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  was a senator. I think was Ted Cruz that went on like David
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  Letterman and And he basically told David Letterman,
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  because they were talking about climate change and how the atmosphere was warming. And
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  he's like, yes, we had a peak in 1998. And
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  if you look at the rest of the time after that,
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  we haven't had temperatures higher than that. Right.
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  So we've only peaked and now we're going down. That's basically what he said on national
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  TV. But if you looked at the entire graph,
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  like from the 50s and 60s, even earlier, you start to
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  see this exponential growth. And yes, there was a
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  slight peak in 1998 and it did go down a
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  little bit, but it was slowly starting to rise again each
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  year, year after year after year. And it continued to
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  rise and it continues to rise. And so when you have
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  people saying, oh, yeah, well, it peaked, but now it's going down, people are like,
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  oh, that makes sense. Like, there's this guy on TV who said it peaks and it goes down. But
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  when you look at the actual graph and you take it into full context, you
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  start to see, like, actually, it's slowly rising again. And
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  we're still very high compared to where we were 50 years
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  ago, even longer, like 100 years ago. Very, very different.
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  So they're just looking at minuscule in a small period of time, but
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  we had to say the peak. And I remember talking to people. I was in university at
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  this point, learning about climate change, learning about how it affects the ocean.
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  But still, you didn't see or hear a lot of talk. But you hear the denial. I started to really sort
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  of realize how many people were denying climate change on
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  TV, in conversations. And I remember talking to
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  my dad about this. And my brother and I
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  was like, yeah, I'm like, look, climate change is a big thing. We have to be careful of
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  it. We've got to change the way we live. It's a big, big
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  change. Because it was fossil fuels. We were relying on fossil fuels
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  so much at that point. We were barely going to windmills, barely
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  going to solar. That was being talked about like, it can't sustain
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  anything. The technology is not there yet, all that kind of stuff. This is late
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  90s, early 2000s. And I remember talking to my dad about it. He's like,
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  well, we've got to be careful. We can't just change everything because the economy is
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  dependent, especially in Canada, is dependent on fossil fuels. And it is. It
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  is tied to oil and gas. That's what our economy is tied to. If
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  the oil goes down, the price of oil goes down, our economy goes
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  down because we're so focused on natural resources, especially oil and
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  gas. Regardless of that, that deniability just
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  kept coming into play. And then we started to hear the apathy, basically
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  saying, hey, you know what? Yes, climate change is here. We
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  recognize that the climate is changing. Then they're saying, but it's not
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  by us. Climate just changes over like a lot
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  of time over the time period. And it's just a natural thing. We saw ebbs
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  and flows in over time. And we just saw that we
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  don't have to worry about it. It's not human related. Then, you know,
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  more evidence comes out that it's human-related and more and more people are believing that.
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  And then they start to say, you know what, sure, it's here. I think
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  now it's like, we just can't do anything about it. It's just the earth. The
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  earth is just changes. Yes, so we make a little bit of a minuscule disturbance.
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  We just can't do anything about it. You might as well just enjoy the ride and
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  let's just see what happens. And over this time, we
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  keep continuing to reveal that there are companies out
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  there who are spending money to PR firms, who
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  are spending money on non-profit organizations like the Fraser Institute
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  here in Canada, to proliferate all this garbage
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  science that says, hey, you know what, we have so many science, hundreds
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  of scientists have signed on saying climate change doesn't exist. Not true.
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  If you actually scour and look at the peer-reviewed journal articles
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  where the science happens, Like where all, everything
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  is agreed upon and debated on, and
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  you know, there's rivalries and stuff like that. You
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  see a lot happening, a lot of critique about science
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  in the peer-reviewed journals. You see it. Not only just, you know,
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  journals, journal articles of science that are saying that yes, climate change
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  is getting worse, and we're still here, and you know, even if we stop
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  everything now, we're still gonna feel it for like the next 50 to
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  100 years. All that's in there, but there's also
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  a lot of scientists that are just talking about climate change in general. They
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  may not be focused, their study may not be focused on climate change, but
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  overall, there is climate change. It's in
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  there, just like, oh yeah, and climate change is affecting this, so it's a cumulative effect on a
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  disturbance for nutrients or whatever. There's always that added factor. Scientists
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  continue to sort of
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  enforce the fact that climate change changes everything. Climate
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  change changes everything. And when the United States had Obama as
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  their president, Obama came out and said, climate
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  change is the number one threat to the US. And then the Navy came
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  out and said, climate change is the number one threat to the US. And
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  then NASA came out and said, climate change is the number one threat to the
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  US. You had all these people coming out and saying it that were backed by
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  science. And then all of a sudden that messaging disappeared because
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  you had another president who came in who was just basically all
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  for drilling oil and gas and continuing to
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  move that. Even with the other president, Joe Biden coming in,
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  still saying, hey, we need to put this plan together about climate change
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  and to reduce climate change, still approving projects for
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  oil and gas that will continue to develop oil and gas reserves
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  well into the future, like 30, 40, 50 years into the future. And
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  it's just perpetuated by this misinformation that we keep
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  seeing. Every time, and a lot of my fellow science communicators
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  will be able to attest to this. A lot of times, and for
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  me, it's like every time I talk about climate change, there is somebody who's
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  gonna write a comment that denies climate change. And the best,
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  my favorite is like, watch this YouTube video. This YouTube video will
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  tear every scientist that has
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  talked about climate change, how it's affecting the world. It's gonna tear them down, all
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  the arguments are gonna be torn down. Forget the peer-reviewed scientists. Just
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  listen to this YouTube person and I Fully
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  aware that I am a person who's listening to you Who's telling you on YouTube
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  that climate change is real and we're facing the consequences. I understand that
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  but I'm backed by peer-reviewed science I'm backed by all
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  those scientists who are saying hey, we have a problem here.
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  That's affecting our entire planet now
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  Not in the future, but now it's gonna get worse if we continue on this
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  path, but now we are being affected But
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  then you continue to have these ideas by high-level
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  officials in government who continue to say, hey, the
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  weather's being controlled by the government to stop an election
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  from happening that will go the opposite way. You
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  have people who are out there, like these organizations that
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  are being funded by oil and gas through
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  non-profit organizations. It's almost like laundering money in a way, but I
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  don't know if this is illegal. But you're starting to have this, like the
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  Koch brothers are the ones that are a part of
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  this. If you look at this fossil fuel philanthropy report that's in this article
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  that I'll put in the show notes, you'll see that a lot of, like Charles Koch is
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  the guy who, or Koch, or Koch, I don't know how you pronounce it,
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  But they're the organizations that are funding this
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  misinformation. And you're starting to see the
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  ramifications of the misinformation too, because there
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  are organizations out there who are suing oil companies for
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  perpetuating all this misinformation in the past, and
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  for causing delays in action by governments.
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  And to be honest, this is my personal feeling, until we
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  get money out of election campaigns and
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  having businesses, even people being able
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  to donate to specific candidates for money, then
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  we are not going to see a change in this. But
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  until then, which will be a long time if it ever happens, until
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  then, it's good to have this report. Because if you want to take
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  action against climate change, you want to stop the companies who
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  are fueling these misinformation campaigns by
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  not buying from what they sell or what they own.
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  That could be difficult, because you might have to go, like, tangle in the weeds. But
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  the person, the name that I keep seeing is
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  Charles Koch, or Coke, however you pronounce it, That
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  person is tied to multiple corporations that probably own multiple corporations. They
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  are entrenched in our world. They own chemical companies. They own oil and
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  gas companies. We may not be able to get out of it right off
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  the bat, but you can actually identify the people who are causing
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  this misinformation, who are causing the delays in drastic
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  action that needs to be taken to help not only save people's lives, but
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  save our economy in the future from having to spend trillions
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  of dollars into cleaning up the consequences of
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  climate change. That's what it comes down to, folks. Like, we talk
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  about the economy and how we need to save the economy. Think about every time
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  we have to spend money on cleaning up a hurricane that's
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  a Category 5 in June, floods that we don't normally
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  see, unprecedented floods, hurricanes that are getting bigger and
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  stronger and faster that we're seeing in
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  October, late October. Right? We are starting to see all
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  these storms come to a head. We're starting to see sea level rise and increased storm
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  surges because the sea level is higher. We're starting to
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  see that the water is getting fresher. We're starting to see that major current
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  systems are actually changing or slowing down that will
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  eventually shut down and cause a drastic change
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  in our weather patterns around the globe. yet
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  we continue to let these companies control the information
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  that goes through. And think about it, with all the way information
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  is spread today in terms of technology and into
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  our phones and into our brains, we are the most
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  susceptible to misinformation. That is probably a
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  big threat to us right now because what you
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  see is what you get on different social media
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  platforms. And let's just be honest, No matter what side you
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  are of an issue Both sides are on those platforms trying to
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  put together information that will allow you to make a decision Whether
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  that information is correct or not that is up for that is up to you to
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  decide and up scientists to tell Right and
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  for you to believe you got to know who you can believe because the
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  climate Like just cluster f
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  that we have seen in terms of a PR campaign
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  to do something about climate change is absolutely off its
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  rocker. You know, we've failed as scientists, we
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  failed as communicators to ensure that
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  the right information gets to the right people at the right time.
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  and that's on us because like scientists we never talked about climate
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  change that much or we never talked about science that much before all this technology
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  came out even then we were late because we were worried that our
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  information would not get to the right people or would be manipulated to
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  show something else because that's happened in the past and that's because you
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  know sometimes when there's big business involved we are going up
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  against you know, a lot of money. And a lot of
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  money can do a lot of bad things in the wrong hands. And
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  that's what we've seen. And hopefully, this
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  fossil fuel philanthropy report can actually get out to the right
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  people and we can actually take action. It's getting out to the people. It's
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  out there. We can make a difference. Just how do we
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  do that is the next question. Right? That's
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  really what it comes down to. How do we do that? I actually recently did,
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  I was on Instagram and a
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  survey came up by Meta, right? The company that owns, you
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  know, Facebook and Instagram and WhatsApp and so forth. And
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  it asked me a number of questions about the perception of the company, Meta itself.
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  And it said, how do you feel about Meta when it comes to misinformation? And
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  I was just like, it's the worst, it's the worst company for it. And
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  how do you feel about Meta as a company? I don't like
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  the, and I even responded, I don't like the fact that you
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  manipulate other companies like the government to go after other companies
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  like TikTok because you're afraid that they're putting a dent in
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  your profits and your share of the attention that you
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  used to get from Instagram and from Facebook. Because
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  TikTok is pretty much taken over. It's almost rivaling Google at
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  some point. I think it was higher at one point. And now you're seeing
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  it banned at a certain time, if that ever will happen, in
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  the US. Because let's be honest, Meta
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  did that. They wanted to do that, they did that. And
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  so they're the ones who started all this inquiry. So it's
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  really... scary when this happens but
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  the fact that we have access now to this information where there's people who
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  are donating and companies who are donating to these non-profit organizations
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  that are just there to misinform you is
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  really powerful and I'm glad this came up and I'm surprised it's
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  not being talked about more Because a couple of
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  months ago, I did a story on how there were over
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  120 senators and congresspeople who were
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  being paid by fossil fuel companies or fossil fuel packs that
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  would allow them to support oil and gas rather
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  than the environment, rather than the country that they
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  serve in the US. Right? We're starting
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  to see this information come out. It's in there. It's for us. And there's
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  a huge election coming to the US. This is
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  the time where you say, who is involved with getting funded by the
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  Koch brothers? The Koch brothers. Let's just call it the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers.
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  Who is involved? Right? Then if
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  they're funding certain people who are trying to get elected, maybe if
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  the environment is important to you, if the economy is important to you, maybe don't vote them in. It
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  doesn't matter what side they're on because they're both being funded by the same
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  people. It doesn't matter what side they're on, vote somebody who's independent
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  or vote somebody who's not being funded by them or funded less by them, right?
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  Somebody who will represent more about you, the people
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  who they are there to represent rather than the companies that are donating that
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  they end up representing in place of you. So
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  that's just like this article just kind of got me going because I was like, I can't believe
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  this isn't being talked about a lot. It's probably because the
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  Koch brothers own a lot of media outlets, right? Like, let's
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  be honest here. You know, there's a reason why the
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  Washington Post this year didn't, or this election term,
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  didn't say they chose, they didn't choose a candidate they wanted to support. They've
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  chosen a candidate all this other time, but now that, you
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  know, Amazon donor Jeff Bezos owns them, he's like, you know, we're not going to choose a
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  candidate because we're going to stay in the middle. You know, we're going to be journalists,
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  we're going to stay in the middle. Funny how most of the articles are
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  supporting like Democratic Party sort of policies and
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  making and sort of criticizing Republicans. But all of a sudden, now
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  you decide to stay in the middle. Maybe it's because that
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  when if Kamala Harris gets in as a
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  president, you're going to see a lot of taxes come to billionaires and he's
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  a multibillionaire and he doesn't want to give up some of his money. That's just me going
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  off on a tangent. But that's what's happening here, right? When
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  these companies, these big billionaires own all these
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  different companies at a powerful level, then all of a sudden they're like, hey, you know what?
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  Yeah, we can do whatever we want. We decide not to take a stand. We're
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  not gonna support either candidate. Well, there's a reason for
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  that. There's always a reason for that. And unfortunately, that's
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  just how we have to deal with it. But we have to press the press. We have to
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  press the government to say, hey, you're supposed to be representing us,
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  not these companies that are supporting you. And this report allows
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  us to get more information on who's being supported by
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  this and allowing this misinformation coming and
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  allowing the government not to go further into
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  supporting us and by protecting citizens. And this is
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  all governments, not just the US, this is Canada, this is everything. to protect their
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  citizens against environmental damage that we're causing to ourselves. So
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  that's what I had to say. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Am I off the rocker
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  here? Should this be more and more in the news and
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  be covered more by multiple outlets? Or, you know, I find this election
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  cycle, it's being ignored. Climate change in general is just being ignored.
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  I don't know why. It's a big division between the two. The
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  one thing I could say why is because human rights are at at stake
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  here. Hopefully
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  everything goes well this week, but I do recommend that you go
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  out and vote I suggest strongly suggested, you know And
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  for whatever party you're going for just go out and vote. It's your right It's
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  something you deserve to do and everybody deserves to do that. And
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  so hopefully The environment will come out ahead, but
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  that's it for me today. I'd love to hear from you you can leave a
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  That's at howtoprotecttheocean, all one word. I'd
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  love to hear your thoughts on this. Thank you so much for
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  listening to this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm your host, Angelo.