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Jason Lindquist and Andrew Godwin: Hope Deferred · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Today, we've got Drew or Andy as he's sometimes known,
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  Speaker 1: and Jason with us from Hope DeFord. Super excited to
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: chat with you guys. Uh, I will say, this is
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  Speaker 1: the first time we're meeting YouTube. However, one of your
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: band members is a has been on the podcast a
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: couple of times, and that's David Button.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: David is a good friend of Colin and I. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know Jason, I think you said you play bass? Uh, Andy,
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  Speaker 1: you play guitar and uh I supposedly David he just
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  Speaker 1: does insurance for the band, right, he doesn't do anything else, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the adjusting, he handles all that for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, y'all you need a good insurance guy
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  Speaker 1: with the band like Hope DeFord.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: So I would like to jump right into this thing.
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  Speaker 4: How in the world does buddies from Embodiment and uh
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  Speaker 4: some people from the Famine get together with the lead
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  Speaker 4: dude from the showdown? Am I missing a band in
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  Speaker 4: there too? Is there one more than I'm missing?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think you think that covers it.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well, so.
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  Speaker 4: This is a supergroup which is which is badass by.
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  Speaker 5: The way, So well, it started, you know, from Eric Shiri.
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  Speaker 6: He's the guy with the car and collective that's actually
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  Speaker 6: helping come alongside us and release this music. But he
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  Speaker 6: was at furdust Fast one year and David came up
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  Speaker 6: to him and was like, Hey, I want to I
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  Speaker 6: want to do some music with Andy. So put a
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  Speaker 6: good word in for me and Eric kind of connected
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  Speaker 6: the dots. And I honestly had never heard The Showdown much.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I heard the name, and I remember seeing
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  Speaker 6: them around while we were touring with the Famine and stuff,
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  Speaker 6: but I never really gave him much of a listen. Dude,
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  Speaker 6: his band is huge, The Showdown is a really big band,
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  Speaker 6: and I didn't quite know the gravity of what he
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  Speaker 6: was going to bring to the table, right. So, when
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  Speaker 6: I mean all said and done, he's really he really
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  Speaker 6: shines bright on this new Hope Deferd record.
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  Speaker 5: He does such a fantastic job. But yeah, it came
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  Speaker 5: through Eric.
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  Speaker 6: Eric was the guy that kind of connected the dots
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  Speaker 6: between David and us.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, sweet, Well, if we know anything about David, he
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  Speaker 4: casts a pretty wide net. So my guess, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: not trying to, you know, make you guys feel bad,
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  Speaker 4: but he's probably asked, you know, twenty or thirty different
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  Speaker 4: embodiment like bands if he can be in their band
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  Speaker 4: with them. So just let me know. That's just the
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  Speaker 4: way he is.
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  Speaker 6: We're stoked on a great opportunity. Yeah, they missed out
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  Speaker 6: on something. Yeah, it's fantastic. We really like that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you guys are just the first suitors that that
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  Speaker 4: answered his call.
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  Speaker 2: Well maybe, but there's a there's a special chemistry that
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  Speaker 2: that that that is there even in just in the
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  Speaker 2: few short years we've been together. So it's it's pretty
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  Speaker 2: cool having him.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like to have Gary Busey as your
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  Speaker 3: front man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you guys have seen David
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  Speaker 4: in a live setting yet.
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like you guys haven't done a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: like in the room together.
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  Speaker 1: Is that we h?
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  Speaker 6: I saw some footage, right, some of his furnished best footage,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, I would kind of a deep die
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  Speaker 6: whenever we knew that he was interested in singing for us,
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  Speaker 6: and uh, whatever I can scrounge job, you know. I
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  Speaker 6: think it was the more recent Burness Fast stuff, But man,
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  Speaker 6: I love I love it stage presents.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's fantastic front man.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely really.
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  Speaker 6: Excited, you know, for him to front this style of music,
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  Speaker 6: and just really because it's pretty, it's pretty fast, it's aggressive,
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  Speaker 6: and I don't know, I think he's going to fit
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  Speaker 6: the bill just perfect for what we're.
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  Speaker 5: Trying to do.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I would agree everything I've heard
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  Speaker 4: thus far it's like a marriage made in heaven. It's
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  Speaker 4: it's a wonderful, wonderful sound. Definitely aggressive. I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: guys are pulling no punches here at all. That is
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  Speaker 4: that kind of the tone for the rest of the record,
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  Speaker 4: because we've only heard a few songs so far. The
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  Speaker 4: rest is coming out on Halloween. Very good choice of
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  Speaker 4: day there by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I think I think what you've heard kind of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a variety of what you've heard
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  Speaker 2: so far. I mean, yeah, again to kind of echo
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  Speaker 2: what you know Andrews said about about David. I mean
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  Speaker 2: there's a certain tone.
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  Speaker 7: You know, Andy and I go way back in the
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  Speaker 7: death metal listening era of the early nineties, so some
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  Speaker 7: of our influences go back quite a ways, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: David just fit this spot that like hit.
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  Speaker 2: Right where we wanted it, and yeah, I mean, we're
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  Speaker 2: we're excited for for everyone to hear and what is
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  Speaker 2: it the remaining eight songs that are that hadn't been
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  Speaker 2: released yet, so it's gonna be good.
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  Speaker 5: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: And Jason for you knowing that you used to be
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  Speaker 1: an Embodiment, Like I would imagine for those old school
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  Speaker 1: Embodiment fans.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, this tickles my ear again.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I really loved like the direction you
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  Speaker 1: all went with Embodiment, kind of this more alternative rock style,
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  Speaker 1: I bet some of those old school fans are like this,
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  Speaker 1: this tickles my embodiment to ears a little bit more.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure there's some of that. I mean, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: definitely some of that. I mean, we we go back
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  Speaker 7: to the early days of Embodiment.
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  Speaker 2: We're we haven't really looked back quite like that.
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  Speaker 7: We're just kind of looking at, you know, ahead, and
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  Speaker 7: you know, some of the old school fans from Embodiment
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  Speaker 7: come along with.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're excited for them to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, I think it's in And Andy could
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  Speaker 7: probably speak more to this because a lot of this
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  Speaker 7: music is kind of his brain child, But just we
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  Speaker 7: wanted to do something we loved that we were passionate
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  Speaker 7: about that felt right, and we kind of had that
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  Speaker 7: kind of tunnel vision and didn't worry about twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 7: twenty five years ago, Like what do we like right
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  Speaker 7: now and what kind of gives you the goosebumps?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the litmus test for us. So that's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of the direction we've held it.
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  Speaker 5: You guys, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thirty three and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thirty one, so we were a little kind of
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  Speaker 1: a little young for embodiment in particular.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say Colin and I definitely listened to
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  Speaker 3: the family. Oh so got to say that there was
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  Speaker 3: and the.
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  Speaker 6: Show is a really magical time around embracing ejournal like
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  Speaker 6: Zeo's Blood and Fire, let Me Sacrifice, Reborn, all that
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  Speaker 6: stuff was just kind of mixing. So man, I like
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  Speaker 6: to say, if you were there and you got to
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  Speaker 6: witness it, then man, just hold on to those memories.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we can't go back in time and try
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  Speaker 5: to recreate it. We're just we're.
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  Speaker 6: All evolving to as musicians and stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 6: tones wise, I would say that it's not too far
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  Speaker 6: from the famine stuff, Like if you if you. If
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  Speaker 6: you guys picked up on that, then it's a similar
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  Speaker 6: tone and vibe to the Famine.
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  Speaker 5: So as as opposed to the turtle and early embodiment.
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  Speaker 4: But there is elements of of of early embodiment, I
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  Speaker 4: would say, I mean, especially to me, it feels like rhythmically,
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  Speaker 4: it feels very the famine to me, especially architects architects
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  Speaker 4: of guilt. But a lot of the nuance I feel
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  Speaker 4: has a lot of that early in body vibe to me.
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  Speaker 4: I think it lends itself to a very like I said,
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  Speaker 4: nuance sound that it feels full, and it feels like
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  Speaker 4: it's been well thought out and it feels very organic.
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  Speaker 4: Has that kind of been the feeling as well when
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  Speaker 4: you guys went to go record.
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  Speaker 5: Jay, you won't mean to take it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll chime in a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I mean this this this music is a culmination of
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  Speaker 7: what three and a half years. So it wasn't like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: we sat down for four months and said okay, let's
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  Speaker 7: put an album together like this is a you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's been quite a journey and we haven't wanted to
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  Speaker 7: rush any of it, you know, and so there's certainly
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  Speaker 7: it's been well thought out in my mind. And Andy, obviously,
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's coming from you know, his hands, if
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  Speaker 7: you will, where it all starts with the riff, so
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  Speaker 7: he can probably speak more to that than me.
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  Speaker 6: For me, I guess it was more trying to create
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  Speaker 6: rather than having a song have like twelve different rifts
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  Speaker 6: or parts to it, you actually have a verse of chorus.
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  Speaker 5: You know, a bridge and then a verse and a chorus.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of a traditional song structure to where if
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  Speaker 6: you did like the rift, it's coming back and you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna hear it again and again. So I think it
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  Speaker 6: simplifies it a bit as opposed to the earlier embodiment,
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  Speaker 6: but more like the famine stuff, which is, you know
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  Speaker 6: more I guess song structure heavy.
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  Speaker 4: So sure, sure I could see that.
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  Speaker 3: Andy.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm kind of getting a sense of is that
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  Speaker 1: like you might be maybe the main writer.
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  Speaker 3: Like am I wrong in saying that?
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  Speaker 1: Like but but like, yeah, do you have like a
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  Speaker 1: sense of like feeling like you maybe are kind of
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  Speaker 1: taking charge of writing or maybe you reject that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm are not rejected, No, it's you said it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's kind of a What I have is
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  Speaker 6: a is I just have I have a tone and
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  Speaker 6: a sound in my head, right, and then I just
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  Speaker 6: it's God given, is how I say it is because
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  Speaker 6: it's very inspired by my relationship with God, and it's
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  Speaker 6: it's just something that comes out and it's just how
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  Speaker 6: I express this art form in this extreme style of music.
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  Speaker 6: And what I've been blessed with is people who come
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  Speaker 6: alongside me and.
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  Speaker 5: Totally love that vision.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Jason, I got John Tooley, Derek Wadsworth and now
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  Speaker 6: David Button and they all come alongside and I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 6: we love the music, we love the sounds, and we're
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  Speaker 6: just coming in there to elevate it.
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  Speaker 5: And that's exactly what they do.
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  Speaker 6: They with their skill set, they elevate what the project is.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a gift that you were expressing both an
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  Speaker 1: embodiment and the famine or is this something that maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Has developed sense sense of famine ended?
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  Speaker 6: No, I was I was always kind of the main songwriter,
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  Speaker 6: you know, back back in Embodiment and the Famine, it
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  Speaker 6: was I was still the main songwriter. I think it
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  Speaker 6: was even more of a group effort back then. Now
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  Speaker 6: we have this ability to kind of it's it's unfortunate,
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  Speaker 6: but yet it is efficient. You can isolate and create
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  Speaker 6: your music in your little jam room, studio or whatever,
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  Speaker 6: and then you bring everybody over to to enjoy it
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  Speaker 6: and get together and perform on the record. So that's efficient.
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  Speaker 6: What you do miss, though, is this this kind of
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  Speaker 6: we call it mojo or vibe that you get in
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  Speaker 6: a in a jam room where everybody can get together
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  Speaker 6: and all have their say or feel that spark all
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  Speaker 6: at the same time. Which is you don't really get
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  Speaker 6: that same experience. So now it's it's efficient, but it's
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  Speaker 6: not as magical, I will say, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Sure. So David sent over the lyrics to us, and
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  Speaker 4: it's pretty clear each song what what what? What you
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  Speaker 4: guys are trying to get a ross? Is that is
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  Speaker 4: that outlet for you something that is kind of like
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  Speaker 4: an expression of your of yourselves? Are you all in
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  Speaker 4: agreement with the lyrical expression? I should say that's what.
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  Speaker 4: That's a better way to.
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  Speaker 2: Say it, I would say, so, yeah. I mean we're
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  Speaker 2: all again to kind of echo what Andy said. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this is inspired, you know, and we're
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  Speaker 2: here to support honestly kind of the vision that he's got.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know, I don't think there's been any
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  Speaker 2: conflict with any of the lyrics the music.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just the chemistry that we all have,
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  Speaker 7: man is it's incredible. So yeah, I think I think
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  Speaker 7: that the lyrics in all aspects of what we've been
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  Speaker 7: doing is very cohesive for all five of us.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome. Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like when you when you kind of get
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  Speaker 4: a supergroup kind of thing together, although it might be
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  Speaker 4: more of a niche supergroup, I feel like that can sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, create a little bit of maybe not controversy,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe like some tension in terms of, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what someone feels versus what another one believes or or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But that doesn't seem to be the case with you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel do you feel like you are kind
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  Speaker 4: of all in lockstep in terms of where you would
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  Speaker 4: like to take this thing beyond maybe this record even
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  Speaker 4: or is there a next record and stuff like that?
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  Speaker 4: Is that something you would want to do?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So you touched on a couple of things there.
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  Speaker 6: I've known Jason for thirty years, so I don't he
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  Speaker 6: played bassin Embodiment. I played Embodiment. We were in a
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  Speaker 6: band before that, and so I've been bros with Jason
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  Speaker 6: for thirty years and John Tooley's a lead guitar player Bros.
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  Speaker 6: For like fifteen years. So we go back and have
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  Speaker 6: this history. But it's all kind of like mindedness. And
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  Speaker 6: that's important for me because I can't have it. I can't,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. So this is a very precious This
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  Speaker 6: art form to me, right in music in general, is
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  Speaker 6: a very very precious and so I want to share
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  Speaker 6: it obviously with everybody who's into the style of music
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  Speaker 6: and into the heavy stuff. But performing it, man, I
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  Speaker 6: mean you said yourself, you read the lyrics. How much
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  Speaker 6: of a poser would you feel like you are if
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  Speaker 6: you sang those and didn't believe it?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 5: So it's very important to me that everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Believes because there's a there's a there's a connection there,
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  Speaker 6: there's a conviction that comes across in the performance in
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  Speaker 6: this form of art, in the music that you can
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  Speaker 6: literally feel it like in my opinion, and.
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  Speaker 5: That's why this also, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So basically to answer your question, yeah, I think having
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  Speaker 6: this that that conversation of everybody being unified as far
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  Speaker 6: as our beliefs, that's paramount because man, if we come
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: across a decision that needs to be made, and it's
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  Speaker 6: a difficult one. You're not going to understand where everybody's
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: coming from unless you have some sort of foundational understanding,
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: you know, and you can go back to baseline, which
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: is biblical baseline.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 6: We we base our lives on our Christian faith and
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  Speaker 6: our belief in Jesus, and so everybody can come back
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  Speaker 6: to that baseline.
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  Speaker 5: It's so much easier to.
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  Speaker 6: Forgive and have grace and have mercy and all that thing,
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  Speaker 6: you know, all the things that come along with that.
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  Speaker 6: So but yeah, you said, are there hopes and plans
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  Speaker 6: for record in the future. Absolutely absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I mean we're.
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  Speaker 6: Getting older, but we we got to take one step
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  Speaker 6: at a time. So the record hasn't even come out
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  Speaker 6: yet as of today, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah. The only reason I ask that question
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  Speaker 4: in particular is because there's there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 4: great bands that I've listened to. I think of a
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  Speaker 4: band like the Acendicate, for example, who come out with
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  Speaker 4: one absolute banger of an album and then they don't
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  Speaker 4: do anything with it ever again, and it's just very
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  Speaker 4: disappointing because you get super invested. Now I'm invested in
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  Speaker 4: hope deferred as well, and I don't as a as
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  Speaker 4: a listener. I want to be selfish and I want
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  Speaker 4: I want more and more.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that, honestly, the natural thing.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 6: I appreciate that honesty, and I think to in this
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  Speaker 6: day and age, we can consume so much music right
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  Speaker 6: at any time we wanted, it's there, and it's it's
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  Speaker 6: we're hoping that the record because we we spent a
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  Speaker 6: lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of
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  Speaker 6: focus on it. It actually took about four years to
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  Speaker 6: write and release, but it's because we're all, you know,
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  Speaker 6: family men, and we all have jobs and careers, and
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  Speaker 6: so it's just tough to get together to to get
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  Speaker 6: you know, all merge.
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  Speaker 5: Together to record this and even get the songs written.
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  Speaker 6: But the you know, I I appreciate the honesty that
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  Speaker 6: you're selfish because I I am a bit too.
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  Speaker 5: Like I.
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  Speaker 6: I look at it internally and go, how are we
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  Speaker 6: going to do better than that record? How can we
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: give anything better than what this is? So you're getting
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  Speaker 6: the absolute best of what we can do right now,
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  Speaker 6: which is really cool. And I think we'll get some
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  Speaker 6: more and I think we'll get inspired again and conversations
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  Speaker 6: with you inspire us too, because if there's a hunger
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  Speaker 6: for it, like you've expressed, that makes that that excites
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  Speaker 6: me and motivates me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely a motivator.
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  Speaker 8: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: You guys were talking about how like for the most part,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: like most.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Of the guys in the band have known each other
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: for quite some time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Even you know, said like, you know, you've known Jason
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: for almost thirty years, but David somebody's who's who is new? So, like,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: what was that process of like kind of bringing David
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in this fold knowing like he doesn't have this thirty
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: year history like the rest of the guys do. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure like it's something where it's like you already
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: know that there's like like mindedness between three other guys
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: at least. What what is it like trying to bring
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: somebody else maybe to up to speed or or what
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: is it one of those things where it's just like
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: immediately it's like, yeah, we're like we're on the same wavelength.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Buth.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what was that process like of
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: bringing somebody brand new to you both of you guys
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like David into this fold of like guys that have
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: known each other for a long time and have this great,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: great report with.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Wha I mean for me, Well, go go ahead, Drew, No,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. So, I mean, gosh, so soon as
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: soon as I met him, it wasn't a.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: Matter of maybe a day. And you know, I'm generally
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: the sarcastic guy. I'm always kind of a little bit
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: of a prankster, and and he fit right in like
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: a brother to me. So and that's always my test,
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: like can you handle the you know, the sarcasm that
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: I might throw at somebody.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And he took it well and and and reciprocated it,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: and it was like, Okay, he passed the test real quick.
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: I just I don't know every you said, lock Step.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: I think you know a few minutes ago. I just
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: feel like we're all walking and with the same.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Cadence in the same direction, and it just I don't know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: there's chemistry there that that is critical for this to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: go somewhere.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I was probably a little bit more.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: You know, you're you're asking somebody to be the lead
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: singer of this kind of baby project that you've been
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: working on for four years, right, So I was a
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: little bit like, man, I really hope this guy can
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: deliver it in the way that we're hoping, right and so,
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: and also getting him up to speed with our sense
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: of humor that's been developed over decades and you know
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: how we relate to each other. But I tell you
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: our guitar player John Tooley and David have connected in
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: such a way that, I mean, these dudes are like
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: super bros now And it was probably you know, I
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: was telling you guys before how the Showdown and how
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: huge they were in a much of a big influence
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: they have over you know, a large audience, and I
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: had no idea how popular they were. And it's probably
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: best that I didn't, you know, because I would probably
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: use that as an asset to him rather than him
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: just being himself, right, would be a little jaded or
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: have a have a bias towards Oh cool, this guy
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: would come sing for us because and he'll bring all
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: his fan base. I'm I didn't have that actually, because
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: I didn't really know much about the Showdown. But he
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: you know, there's something called LSD, which is lead Singer disease.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys have ever heard that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so David doesn't have that you know with
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: this big No, he doesn't, and you might I'm not
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: saying you might think he does, but he absolutely does not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: He's he's super humble, very humble and man.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Because I can be a harsh critic when he's in
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: there tracking vocals, I can be pretty hard on him
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: to perform something because when he gives you glimpses of
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: his ability, like when he was recording and you're going, whoa, bro,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: you just hit something there that was super passionate.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: We need you to do that more. You know, he
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: would take it. He would never be like, no, I'm
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: done for the day. You know. He would.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: He would rise to the occasion and bring forth this
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: very emotional performance that I'm just super proud. I'm super
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: proud of that guy and just glad that he's a
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: part of what we're doing.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, this is I'll say this not to not
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to be a slight on David at all. He's got
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: loyal dog energy, you know what I mean. Like, he's
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: gonna go out and he's gonna do exactly what he
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: can do best. And if if someone thinks he can
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: do better, he's gonna he's gonna believe that. And he's
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: gonna nail it. I love his his energy so much.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: The guy's got foods of it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: But to start with, he's definitely a golden retriever.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's definitely the golden Retriever. And I could see
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: where he would just fit right in and and you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: surprise people, especially in new circumstances. Not to mention that,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's just immensely talented. To start with, he's
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: got one of my favorite like lower register, harsh vocals
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I've heard in the entire music scene in general. So
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: hearing that, you know he's going to be a part
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: of Hope Deferred. I was ecstatic already, and he was
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: already telling us about this. I think what a two
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: years ago maybe so he was. He's been chomping at
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: the bit and he's been very, very excited for this.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: So understandably why, I mean, I get it because it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: great music thus far.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: So have you only heard the two singles or have
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: you heard the whole record.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I've only heard the two singles thus far, but it's
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: been it scratched my itch and maugh so far.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: More than that, I promise it delivers on if you're used.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: So there's parts of this record that David does or
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: that is akin to what David does that I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: the fans have showed out where he does that kind of.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: That pitchy scream thing in key. Yes, and there's moments
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: of that on this record.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Uh captures his his ability to do that sort of stuff.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: So it's really cool.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Didn't you guys didn't bring in a Harley to record
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: in this for this album?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Did you know?
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Did the showdown do that?
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have one of the coolest intros to teach
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: it was not hospital teacher.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: No motorcycles were harmed in the recording of this album.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So oh man, So.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Are they the why that the the d C Talk song?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Weren't they?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, they did do a d C talk song.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Why Why did you guys choose Halloween? Is it? What?
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Was it intentional that way?
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, you know, we're not going to ruffle
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: any feathers there.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, we could get hyper hyper religious with it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: but no, it wasn't. I mean, Halloween's just a cool
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: time to release the record.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: But we especially when.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: This pacing out the singles and you know, we started
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: to kind of I know, we wanted to spread it
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: out over more of a like maybe a two or
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: three month plan, but it ended up all kind of
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: emerging for October, and so we were like, let's drop
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: a single the first, the fifty then let's release the
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: record on the thirty first, and yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: I mean we were thinking we were gonna have this
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: out a year ago and right, so, I mean it
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: couldn't come out soon enough for us, but you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: back and forth with mixing and getting it mastered and
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: artwork and it just, man, let's get it out this year.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: That was just kind of where we were in like July,
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: we'll go, let's just get it out this year, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: it just it's all all the pieces of just fallen
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: into place for it to be ready.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, I love it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I know what my soundtrack for what I'm getting
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: ready to go out with my son and wife for
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Halloween is gonna be. We're gonna be dressing up like
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Star Wars Sith and uh and listening to.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Some Hope Defend.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: So it's gonna it's gonna hit hard. So can't wait.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Should we talk about most influential albums?
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: I'm afraid that if Jason goes before me, he's gonna
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: take some of the similar albums, but why don't.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: Why don't we just go back and forth because we
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: grew we kind of cut from the same cloth in
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: a lot of ways when it came to music that
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: had heavy influence on us.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And Beautiful I'll let you start, Drew, I'll let you
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: start with Vulger.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: That's all right, come on, Vote was just one of
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: the most influential records, you know what I y I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: going to go back though. It's Master of Puppets for
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: me from Metallica. I mean it's if you're asking for
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: the top five, you know I can give them to you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: I mean it's I can give you the top three
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: for sure right now, and then we'll let Jay do his.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: As far as five, it don't really matter after that,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: but it would be a Vulgers Power, not in any
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: order here. But we've got the Master Puppets, Separateurs, Arise, Suffocations.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: I got two in there from a band called Suffocation.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: I got Effigy That Forgotten, a Pierce from Within. So
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: I'll live with those five. Vulgus play Power, Master Tuppets, Sepulteurs, Rise, Suffocations,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Evagy That Forgotten, and Suffocation appears from with it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going with oh go ahead.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of interesting because bands from people
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: who started playing music in this scene, specifically from your generation,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: so it kind of like a generation before Mason and
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I Vulgar seems.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: To be.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Always at the top of the list. What is it
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: about that record in particular that you think just has
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: gotten the fancy of the scene, especially the kind of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: like the Christian alternative scene.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: I don't know why, because it's it seems to be
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: almost specifically with a lot of like your early tooth
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: and nailed style bands.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: I will say this, man, So Terry Day was the
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: producer on that and the tones that he got on
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: that record set the course for Monster a lot of
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: different bands, like you wouldn't have the depthtones tone if
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: you didn't have volit power.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: What he was able to.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Capture with dimes guitar tone and the drums and the
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: bass and Phil's vocal performance.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: It's just magic, man. I mean that record is magic.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: It's really real.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: And there the Pantera's hometown boys for us. I mean
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: we grew up, we didn't know them necessarily.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: We would run into them at you know, Walgreens occasionally
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: but I mean they were kind of.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: Pante was a Pantago sound studio, right, Cowboys from.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Hell and that was it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That was you know, so so so there was always
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this kinship of just being local too. But I mean
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the the guitar, tones, the drum, I mean, the whole
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: that whole.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Album is is ridiculous, you know, for me coming from
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: oddly enough being the bass player, and Justice for All
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: hit stronger for me as.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: An influence than that it did Master. But I but
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: both are fantastic.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: That's the correct answer, it right, I mean, the right answer.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You know. It's it's interesting.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Normally there's this there's a cutoff with most people with
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: Metallica what their last good record was.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And you know my age, I fall into the Injustice
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Frauls the last good record.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: You get a few guys that are a year two older.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: It's like, no, no, no, Master Puppis was the last good record.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: So that's always been a debate. But it falls into
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: the category for me. But you know, Justice for All
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: simple to Our Rise was a was a great, great
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: album that had a huge influence on us.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: There's a band called Malevolent Creation. Even the Apocalypse was
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: an album from I don't know, nineteen ninety two or
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: Retribution, Yeah, even the Apocalypse was that was the opening
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: trap of Retribution is the album.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And to me, if you have time to listen to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: any of that, like that area of vocal range.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: Was kind of a sweet spot that I feel when
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: it comes to David, like that was kind of an
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: influence for me, Like, man, this is he just kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: of hits.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: That mid rangey below and anyway, you know, so that
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that would be kind of in the top there certainly. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: if you have forgotten for me, even unmetal related would
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: have been the depeche Mode Violator. So I do have
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a little bit of departion, you know, or departure there
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: from from the metal stuff coming up.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But is that why you were listening a lot when
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: all those Embodiment fans got really mad at you all.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: No, we were listening to the Depths.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're listening to Foo Fighters or something. Probably
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: who knows.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: You guys just wanted to be Dad's so bad, right,
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: that's a great list, it is, you know, to add
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: a little depeche Mode into that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But like you guys are you guys are metal heads
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: through and through like that There's there's no question about that.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Jay Or We're gonna give a nod to the bleeding
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: and can't corpse.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: We can't.
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: You can't go without saying. I mean that that was
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: a massive influence too. I mean, you know, put.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: The asterisk there with lyrical content and all that stuff.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: But I mean, but musically like that was the stuff
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: I mean that we were. We were so angry being
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: in the Christian you know, seeing if you will, or
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: music and try to be influenced by that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It was always so hard.
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: To find good at that time. You know, let me
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: sacrifice that was that was a believer. I grew up
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: listening to those guys. But Andy and I were mortification.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were a Joshua bookstore, try to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: find heavy Christian music, and we found three albums and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: then we're like, okay, you know, Holy Soldier is not
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: gonna cut it. We gotta we gotta find something better.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: And don't know Petra for you, you know, I kind
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: of missed the petrophase there, but but you know, it
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: just we we had to find more music. And I
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: mean I think it was what blockbuster music. If I
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: recall back in the day, you could go in pick
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: the CD.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: They would open it for you, give you phones and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you could listen to it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: Right, So, I mean we would go up there, seem
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: like every Friday night trying to find metal.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: We'd go to that section and just dig in. Oh man, gore, guts,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: gore fest. I mean, you can find all kinds of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: old school disincarn it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: That'd be another album if you're not familiar with that
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: one that is incredible dreams of the carrying kind.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So make note of that. That'd be a good listen
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: if you know, if you have the time for that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But there's we can go on and on on on
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the old school death, not.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: All of it fantastic influence.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's just like what it was like to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: go into a Blockbuster on a Friday night, though, what
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: what an experience.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Let's talk. Let's talk plugs. Obviously record comes out on
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: October thirty, first Halloween, for the spooky season in your life.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: What else would you have like to plug?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: That's it, That's it, huh.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got a we've got.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Our merche stores in full force, you know. We uh,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: we may or may not be dropping some a hoodie
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: or zippa for winter season.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: So but we're very we're blessed to see how many
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: people are responding to the merchandise. I mean, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: they're just basically this off singles and a little bit
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: of a legacy of whatever was done before with Embodiment,
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: the Famine, the Showdown, and we've had quite a great
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: response and it just it makes a smile because it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: just a bit of a it's honoring and it's flattering
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: the same way. So but yeah, I say we're plugging
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: the merch store. And then obviously, you know, I mean
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: we're at an age guys where if you buy the record, awesome,
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: If you don't, who cares, you know, I.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Mean we don't.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: We're not gonna We're not.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: We want you to enjoy it, you know, because we
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: do kind of a thing, and that's kind of was
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: part of the start for this whole thing, was we
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: want to write and record music that we would want
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: to hear and that we you know, we we believe
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: in lyrically and everything. So yeah, I guess I guess
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: the main focus is that, you know, if you're into
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: the style of music, if you want to support it,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: then yeah, cool bias CD.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: You're sure you know, or the vinyl and if not
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: totally cool, I mean.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Please, well that that's good news for me because they
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: already downloaded it off of line.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: Good for you, hey man, even if you even if
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: you download it off of Spotify or whatever. I mean,
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: we're only missing like maybe ten cents, so you're good.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And the beauty of it is it's we're just happy
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to be writing some good music. And that was like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you said, that's that's what it all comes down to,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is what do we want to hear? That's what we
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: want to create. And all the other stuff, like literally everything.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: Else, the podcast, the interview, which is cool, like all
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: of that is secondary to just having some music that
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: we really love.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I mean I listened to it two or three times
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: a day.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: I mean it's like because it freaking it gives me
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: goosebumps every time, like I love it. So I mean,
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: mission accomplished, you know, and and all this, all the
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: other stuff that they're on the fringes is just bonus
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: in my book.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Whenever you listen to it, do you do you ever
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like think to yourself, damn, who is that stub muffin
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that wrote that baseline?
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: And I say Yeah, that was Andy, So yeah, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: think about I think about him all the time.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Jay represents well on this record with that savage pick attack.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Come on, Jay, Yeah, there you go.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Are you guys planning to take this thing out on
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: the road and all?
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Question? Where do you guys live?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think a show is imminent?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I really did.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Okay, you guys live?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: All right, We're in the Upper Midwest, so chances are
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: you're probably not coming up here, but maybe we can travel.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Who knows, I don't know.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Lincoln, Nebraska is a pretty good spot for us one time.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: Oh there you go.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Can you find your way to Lincoln?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's like three and a half four
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: hours from me. But that that's that's right, that's right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Where do you go to see shows?
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Where would be the closest big city for you?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Uh, Sioux Falls for me? For Mason to be Minneapolis.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: But I go to show and the color will come
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: up to Minneapolis, you know, if there's a big show
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: happening or whatever.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Twin Cities. We had a lot of fun. Saint Paul
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: remember Jay's time.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, Well what.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Was the venue for?
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: It was actually a church run venue and it was
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: a really great spot. Uh, but I can't I mean, honestly,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I can't remember the name of it. A lot of
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: that's a blur.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like Club three degrees.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Whatever it was called some reason that sounds.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: A little has it been around for thirty years? It
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't around.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: There was one that was.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: It was something that this was before my time of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: living in the Twin Cities, but there was something like like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: don't quote me, I'm sure there's Twin Cities people I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: would remember, but it was something like like Club three
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: degrees or something three degrees or something along. It was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: so yeah, and if I remember right, it was a
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: church run venue that would bring in a lot of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Christian bands and man it was.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: There was a phase where like almost like churches got
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: a budget to make their own little Christian music club.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I mean a lot of them did it really well.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: And it was a lot of fun to play, you know, and.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I like, I swear to God.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Like some of these youth pastors, part of their job
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: description was to be a booking.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: You're right, I think you're right.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. They kind of had to be, you know, fans
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: of of the.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Music in the first place.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Almost so good stuff though, all right, well, anything else
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you'd like to plug?
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Jay, you should run with this. You're fantastic.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: That. I don't you know, I can't think of anything
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: I Are you gonna tell him?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Tell him about the background vocals you did on that
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: one album, Drew.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: Oh m hm hm, No he's doing Yeah, we can't
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: We can't do There's nothing to be embarrassed about doing
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: background vocals for the Wiggles. I'm just saying, like, there's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: nothing to embarrassed. The Wiggles are very highly successful band there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's almost like doing background vocals for Weird Out, Like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you think Weird as like cheesy, but then you realize, like, no,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: this dude is like brilliant. And I feel like that
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: way about the Wiggles, like actually really brilliant.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so nothing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: To be ashamed about that with, you know for you,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate the Wiggles.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: You're liberating me to to stand up for my past there.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like stand up for yourself, like you don't need
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to be about that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm sure there's lots of other things to be
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: ashamed about for you, but that is not one.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I did not know you had to fall settled like that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: It's impressed Colin.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: You know, you guys are really encourage me to to.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: To be bold and to just shoot in. Never tell
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: a lie. You never tell a lie.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, right, you let other people do
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: it for you.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: How about how about is this a small nugget of information?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Just let me hear a little fruits out, a little
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: fruits you know.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, I've.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: Got I've got nothing that I've gotten them.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna get one of those little
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: falsetto accents on the fruit salad or potato tato.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: But I wish I knew you were.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Acceptance is the first step of the stages of grief.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying his.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Kids were His kids were already in their twenties by
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: the time the Wiggles were around, so you know, he
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: just he was more.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It was more of a tell Tellytubby guy or whatever,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: oh God.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Pee wee Herman. Maybe a little yeah, yeah, good stuff,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: good stuff.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Well, guys, it was great to chat with you.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Super excited for the new album to come out very shortly,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: just in a few days. We'll get the episode out
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: after the album comes out, but just very excited for
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you all and and hopefully we'll get to see you
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: uh in concert at some time. It'd be really fun
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to see you guys play live. And I can assure
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you this, if we do see you in concert, Colin
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and I will be in the middle of that pit.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Just saying sweet.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Suit Falls twenty twenty six. There you go.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Let's let's let's let's make it happen. Let's make it happen. Alright,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: good to see you guys again.