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That Time in Hip-Hop: Drake's "Take Care" · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 3: What up? Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of That Time and hip Hop,
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  Speaker 1: a podcast soul about history, nostalgia, facts, and all the
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  Speaker 1: things that are represented in hip hop music and culture.
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  Speaker 1: It is the time, man, and it's time for you
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  Speaker 1: for that time in hip hop. First and foremost, if
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  Speaker 1: of that time in hip hop. This is your first
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  Speaker 1: time here in YouTube form or audio form. Well, what
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  Speaker 1: we do here is exactly what I said in the beginning, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's about the preservation of hip hop music and culture
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  Speaker 1: through events, albums, artists, moguls. Times in hip hop that
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  Speaker 1: we look back on, we don't revise. We look back
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  Speaker 1: on with facts of what actually happened in detail. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're here to do today for sure. So
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  Speaker 1: before we get into the main part of the show,
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  Speaker 1: the main thing that I like to point out is
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  Speaker 1: going back in history and what happened in September. September
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Nice and Smooth, the duo The group
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  Speaker 1: released their sophomore album, Yeah and the Damn Thing Changed
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  Speaker 1: Tone ninety one Nice and Smooth second album. What were
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts when the singles started dropping you heard the
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  Speaker 1: album all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, first of all, I love Nice and Smooth.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I like their debut Jaw. I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 2: a real funky for you.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I like Nice and Smooth,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So I was I thought Smooth Bee had a nice
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  Speaker 2: voice nice flow, Greg Nice had the energy, man and
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  Speaker 2: the flavor and everything like that. Man, So look, I
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  Speaker 2: was looking forward to the follow up. Man, You never
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  Speaker 2: know how a follow up gonna be doing.
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  Speaker 4: That time.
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  Speaker 2: It's either not I Got the Park, or it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh man, this is not that it's not
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  Speaker 2: popping off. But actually the sophomore album actually got higher ratings,
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  Speaker 2: professional reviews.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. At the time, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, it was received very well. Man.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, Man, sometimes a rhyms slow, sometimes a
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  Speaker 2: round quick, you know whatever that was. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think they took that Tracy Chapman fast Car, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, which was a legendary song in the eighties. Man,
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  Speaker 2: that Tracy Chapman. I love Tracy Chapman. So I just
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  Speaker 2: love that song, man. And the rhymes was dope. It
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  Speaker 2: felt good.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Hip Hop Junks was another dope joint on there. Oh
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  Speaker 2: in the joint I used to like another too, can't
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  Speaker 2: have your cake and eat it too, you know. So,
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  Speaker 2: man Like, it was a really dope album, man Like.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I got four point five
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  Speaker 2: stars out of five on All Music. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So it was well received, man. And again
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  Speaker 2: let me say this real quick too. I saw them
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago. Nice brings a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: back here to Winston for high school reunion type joint
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  Speaker 2: every year whenever we can. And one year Nice Smooth
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  Speaker 2: came with like Black Moon and Brand Newsies, all these
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  Speaker 2: all these acts and stuff like that. Man, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: tell you that was my first time seeing them live.
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  Speaker 2: And even at this point in their life. Man, they
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  Speaker 2: on stage performance was good, big nice jump in the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: He walked around the crowd with the mic. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's still got the same good energy, good vibe. Man,
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  Speaker 2: Really love nicest move, really love Greg Nice. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But yeah, man, they came through correct.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: What was your thoughts and leading up to that sophomore album?
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about the album?
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  Speaker 1: Man? Hip hop junkies in New York was crazy? It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was obviously the beat sample. What was the sample
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  Speaker 1: from the one of them old salt shows, the Monkeys
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  Speaker 1: or the Partridge Family. Yeah, but I just remember how
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  Speaker 1: much play was getting on the radio, how much I
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  Speaker 1: heard it just you know, in the streets or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Then they remember they had the Spanish remix to that joint.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, they did have a Spanish remix to that.
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  Speaker 1: That ship was kind of high too. But again, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, all the songs you named were crazy. It
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  Speaker 1: exceeded and my expectations because when their debut came out,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have the album, but you know, I saw
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  Speaker 1: the video for Funky for You and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: and I really liked them. But by the time the
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  Speaker 1: second one dropped, I remember my oldest sister bought it
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  Speaker 1: and I listened and I was like, Yo, this is
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  Speaker 1: better than by that time I had heard the debut.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is better than the debut.
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  Speaker 4: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It was a dope you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: incredibly dope album. A group that doesn't get talked about
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  Speaker 1: that much might be because you know, the first two
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  Speaker 1: albums were kind of their vibe and the way, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, they kind of fell off a little
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  Speaker 1: bit since then, but still had an impact on the
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  Speaker 1: hip hop game at that point in time in the
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  Speaker 1: early nineties too.
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  Speaker 2: An another little death time and hip hop thing to remember. Also,
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  Speaker 2: after they kind of cooled down, Greg Knights got really
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  Speaker 2: cool with Tupac and Greg Knights and be part of
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  Speaker 2: One Nation. So there is video of Greg Knights in
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  Speaker 2: the studio with all the Parking his boys, and you
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  Speaker 2: can hear him in the booth rhyming like he had
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  Speaker 2: rhyms on the One Nation album. You know some of
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  Speaker 2: those songs that visions started leaking, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying for the finished project, But Greg Knights and poking
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  Speaker 2: and Greg Knight's been on blad TV a couple of
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  Speaker 2: places before talking about his relationship with Parking and the
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  Speaker 2: whole One Nation project and all that.
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  Speaker 4: Man, But yeah, pop really loved Greg Knights. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They had a real relationship outside of music.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So shout out to you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, nice and smooth man, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And y'all could catch Greg Nice on the Rock
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  Speaker 1: the Bells Show. What's that sample something like that with Alil.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty dope because you know, you always don't you
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  Speaker 1: don't always get to hear from all of these dudes
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  Speaker 1: in hip hop their perspective influences. Like you said, you
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  Speaker 1: know some people before Greg Knight started telling us we
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know he really had a relationship with Tupac
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  Speaker 1: like that, You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Like that? Right? All right? What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: What did you hear Nice to Smooth's album back then?
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  Speaker 1: Did you buy it? You know what I'm saying? How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel about Nice to Smooth as a group?
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  Speaker 1: Leave your comments in a comments section below. But now
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into what you saw on the thumbnail
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  Speaker 1: the title the album. The guy no ov Hose will
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  Speaker 1: be injured during this video unless you unless you violating. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: We're head to talk about something very special. To be honest, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: tell the people what we're here to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it's been a type of discussion on my Twitter
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  Speaker 2: page for the last few days. You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily this album, but this time in hip hopa
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  Speaker 2: that time in hip hop, rather twenty eleven drake sophomore album,
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  Speaker 2: Take Care of Hits the stands Man. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I'm me say this anticipation for a sophomore album after
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  Speaker 2: a very successful debut for an EMC.
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  Speaker 4: It's a big deal. It's a big, big deal, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And Drake.
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  Speaker 2: It came off. We know he had that you know
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  Speaker 2: that mixtape Run Man with Room for Improvement and come
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  Speaker 2: Back Season and all of that stuff like that leading
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  Speaker 2: up to So Far Gone, which many will say, So
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  Speaker 2: Far Gone was one of those game changing mixtapes to
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  Speaker 2: hip hop culture, same way Wayne Has One feat to
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  Speaker 2: Sitting Has One and a few of them Seas had
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  Speaker 2: a game changer, GZ and others. You know what I'm saying, Well,
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  Speaker 2: So Far Gone was a mixtape that almost felt like
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  Speaker 2: an album, you know what I mean, and then leading
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  Speaker 2: up to the debut album which ended up being a
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  Speaker 2: huge success, you know, features on it and every producers
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  Speaker 2: on and everything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So Drake becomes a star best I've had everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Well, that was right before
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  Speaker 2: the debut. But nevertheless he was a star now, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He did mixtapes, he had done
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  Speaker 2: a big debut, Now what's next. But a lot happened
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  Speaker 2: leading up to Take Care, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: And we're gonna discuss a lot of things that happened
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  Speaker 2: that time when this leading up to this album dropping.
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  Speaker 2: Because Drake, unlike what a lot of people believe it's
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  Speaker 2: a hip hop head and he really wanted that album
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  Speaker 2: to be a certain kind of way, and a few
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  Speaker 2: things kind of got scratched, and the album will still
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  Speaker 2: put together.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, it's a massive album. We're gonna get into.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the album ended up leaking like nine ten
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  Speaker 2: days before the actual release date, but it's still almost
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  Speaker 2: sold six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand the first week,
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  Speaker 2: And like Naz with twenty twenty five, take Care is
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  Speaker 2: eight times platinum, so it's almost a diamond album. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a massive album with seven big singles, huge guesst appearances,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll get in all that, man. But I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get into like and Drake, they don't know how
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  Speaker 2: people want to go into this leading up to take.
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  Speaker 1: Care, Yeah, I mean it. It was one of those things,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, where you know, the mixtape mixtapes, but
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  Speaker 1: definitely the so far going joint. It got to a
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  Speaker 1: point and oh the way, not so far going. What's
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  Speaker 1: the name of the mixtape again?
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  Speaker 2: I told you that the main one so far the
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  Speaker 2: main one before that, it was you know, room for Improvement,
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  Speaker 2: comeback season and all of.
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  Speaker 3: That back season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was definitely some momentum building. And to
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  Speaker 1: your point, like you said, with his debuted album, he
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  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, met the hype at that point
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  Speaker 1: in time with that debuted album. But to your point,
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  Speaker 1: when you had that much success and everybody's happy, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's next and and so like leading up to the album,
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  Speaker 1: I think for myself personally, I didn't have huge expectations
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  Speaker 1: because Drake was kind of everything. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: He gave you a little bit of singing and gave
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  Speaker 1: you some rapping. He would feature different people. You just
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know what you were going to get, which
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  Speaker 1: was thing to me because I wasn't tainted.
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  Speaker 3: By oh it has to be this, so it has
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  Speaker 3: to be that. It was just like whatever. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we were just cited down here because
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  Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, you know what I'm saying, the Wonder
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  Speaker 2: Years came out, ninth one was Documentity came out, and
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  Speaker 2: for any fans of Little Brother ninth one and all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, you might remember the part on the Wonder Year,
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  Speaker 2: the segment with Drake and Knife, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying that they was together talking for quite a while
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  Speaker 2: and Drake was just talking about coming up. He said,
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  Speaker 2: there was a producer I was around. I can't give
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  Speaker 2: his name. He used to really rock with your music
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  Speaker 2: and he kind of took your kind of took your
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  Speaker 2: style a little bit influence and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: And Knife was kind of like, what's his name? Though,
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  Speaker 4: I can't say that, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: And then then Drake even said, hey, you know I
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  Speaker 2: made a hit with best ever had but it kind
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  Speaker 2: of had boomed back a little bit, and threw a
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  Speaker 2: sample overs like so, why can't you know me and
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  Speaker 2: Knife make a hit together? And you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Then he also talked about for a period of time.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, man, I think I talked to you
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  Speaker 2: more than I talk to my mom.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: And Knight started laughing. So they was actually communicating a
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  Speaker 2: lot during that time. Now I knew that as well.
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  Speaker 2: I was for my personal relationship with that, but it
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, Wow, this is gonna really happen. I
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  Speaker 2: remember I'm saying, well, you know, we're gonna I think
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  Speaker 2: we might cook some stuff up together. That was what
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  Speaker 2: was gonna happen. Drake really wanted that to happen. There
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  Speaker 2: was some political stuff going on from you know, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit I can say, And at some point I
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  Speaker 2: think Knife was sending some beats to one of the
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  Speaker 2: A and R's, but that's not his thing. Because everyone
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  Speaker 2: Knife has ever worked with, for the most part, big
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  Speaker 2: name people, he sending the beats to them directly. He's
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  Speaker 2: talked to them directly. Breaking and Knife had a relationship already,
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  Speaker 2: so Knife was not gonna be going around trying to
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  Speaker 2: speak the middle man type thing.
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  Speaker 4: It was a lot of other stuff too.
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  Speaker 2: It just didn't really pan out the way they were
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  Speaker 2: hoping it paying out, and they had been communicating a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Another rumor was obviously Fante was supposed to be on
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  Speaker 2: take Care as another rumor cause obviously people that know
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  Speaker 2: Fonte and Drake background, Drake was influenced by a Little
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  Speaker 2: Brother and Fante. Drake also did a song on on
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  Speaker 2: one of early mixtapes, Somebody Been Comeback Season Think Good
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  Speaker 2: Thoughts are produced by Knife Waner with Anita Baker sample
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  Speaker 2: featuring Fonte and als out from Slum Village.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So relationship was there, and then Drake also did a
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  Speaker 2: song called don't You got a man with little brother,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. With Fante and Pool, so
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  Speaker 2: the relationship was there, you know what I'm saying. That's
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  Speaker 2: two there's two tracks with Fante on it and one
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  Speaker 2: with Pool and Fante on it and a production credit
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  Speaker 2: from Knife.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so we thought that was gonna happen down
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  Speaker 2: here man, and it never manifested. But that just shows
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, the fact that Drake had worked
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  Speaker 2: with all of them. Drake is a hip hop head
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  Speaker 2: and different during that time, he really wanted it sounds
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  Speaker 2: like you want to take care of to go in
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  Speaker 2: a different direction, you know what I'm saying. But it
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  Speaker 2: turned out to be that he ended up started working
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  Speaker 2: back with forty again and and T Minus and a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of producers in the camp and just people close
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  Speaker 2: to him in Jones, so they end up making You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not mad at the album because it's a massive
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  Speaker 2: album for his error, you know what I'm saying. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: if he would have had more people like justin Knife
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  Speaker 2: and all those people on there, it would have sounded different.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure financially bird Man and Young Money, Cash
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  Speaker 2: Money and all that really wanted Drake to really push
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  Speaker 2: the commercial sound, which he added more R and B
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  Speaker 2: in it, but he was still rapping different type of styles.
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  Speaker 2: You got Rihanna on and you know, you got you know,
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  Speaker 2: a big group of guests. You know, he got Kendrick
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow now funny enough. You got Rick Ross enough, funny enough,
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  Speaker 2: now you know what I'm saying. You know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you got Wayne and bird Man and Nicki Minaj. So
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  Speaker 2: so it turned into a massive album, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But underground heads it was hoping for something different.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't get that. But if you were Karen, if
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  Speaker 2: you were one of the guys just Karen helping the
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  Speaker 2: care of a record label, then you have to have
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  Speaker 2: massive success, which you got seven big singles and like
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  Speaker 2: four or five of them charted like top twenty, and
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  Speaker 2: some of them with.
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  Speaker 4: The number one. You know what I'm saying. But what
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  Speaker 4: was your what was you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Well when it dropped, did it sound like you expected
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  Speaker 2: to sound, because maybe you didn't know some of the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I would have known living down here dealing
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  Speaker 2: with Knife and everyone. But for you guys in New
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  Speaker 2: York and stuff like that, what was your impression?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: When we first heard Take Care Of. How was it
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  Speaker 4: received at State?
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  Speaker 1: I think I think overall it was received pretty big.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously this album was bigger for a younger
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  Speaker 1: generation who was like in that bag of the Drakes
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  Speaker 1: and the Kendricks and everybody else popping at the time.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I like this better than the debut because
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  Speaker 1: this felt more like so far gone.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you know on steroids.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it was kind of like, you know, you got
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  Speaker 1: the rapping, but you you you didn't like even the
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  Speaker 1: first track, right, like he's just straight rapping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the beat isn't like a boom bad beat.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't even have to be because it fit
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: because Drake had already established that sound. And then also
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I think I forgot to mention this, but in between
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: those albums and during those albums, he was doing a
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: lot of features, so he was like building. He was
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: coming bigger than anything. So when I heard it, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: liked it because I like, I like the flow of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the album. It's just real chill, you know, you get
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the rapping, you get the This is probably to me,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it's probably like peak Drake rapping to me, Like, as
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: far as his albums, he's had other joints where you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: he's had.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Bars and stuff like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But I feel like as as an entire album, it
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: just felt like it was well thought out, well produced,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And to your point, I still think Ninth could have
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: got to join off on air that would have fit well.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously you find the beat that fits within.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Then I would have loved to hear fon Teale on
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the record.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, man.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: But let me also yeah, that would have been dope, man,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you know what
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Ninth was made songs for Jill Scott Eric
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: so he could.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Make a laid back beat.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: He made Girl an issue, the reason for Distance Child,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can make it. It just didn't work out,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: and I hate that. And like I said, he liked Drake,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And Drake really was a
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: big fan of a Little Brother Knife. So I we
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: really wish that would have happened, man, But we understand
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: there is a such thing called industry politics, you know
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and you know, and those things do happen.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I think Trante addressed it years and years ago, not
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: with no kind of issue or nothing like that. Because
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: he liked Drake.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: He was just kind of like, you know, just it
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: just it just didn't pop off, you know what I'm saying.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But let me say this real quick too. You said
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: you said something that made a lot of sense. You said,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Pete Drake. I think that when you look at Drake's style,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the singing, the rapping, I think take care of is
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the perfect combination of the total artist that is Drake.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. The MC part, I know something,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that, But the MC part
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: is there were he really can spit when he want
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to spit. That is not a secret, you know what
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like him or not, whenever Drake wanta rap
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Drake and rap.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And this ain't just me saying it, And I ain't
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: talking about his core like crazy fan base. I'm talking
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: about other great MC's have said this, and not even
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: ones that's trying to work with him.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You got people like Nas
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and these other guys who.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Have said Drake Drake gets busy, you know what I'm saying,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And everybody I ain't trying to cap to say that
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to get a feature. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: some people really think the dude can rap, And if
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you listen to something like Family Matters and stuff like that,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Drake can rap. Man the Time Step songs he can rap,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: or Murtau Diplomatter of Immunity he can rap. So I
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: think they don't take care of you showed the rapping
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the singer is almost like and I said this a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, vague take care of almost felt
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: like Drake's version of miseducation along Hill. You know what
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, And what I mean by that is Lawn
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: gave you some bars, not not as many as Drake
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: gave you take care of. But the funny thing is
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: people be calling mis Education a rap album, So how
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is that a rap album? And take care of? Some
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: people be like, we'll take care of the rap album. Yes,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: take care of the rap album too. You know what
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, more rapping on take care of it than
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it is. Oh mis Education, you know what I'm saying.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So that's another thing. But I thought that was his
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: version of it. It probably is looking back, the best
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: decision that it sound the way it sounded. You know
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying to be honest, and I'm not biased.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: So what I'm gonna say is, I think it was perfect.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: For what it was.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think you need to put nothing us on,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: take nothing of us off. I think Drake hit his
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: mark on take care. I think that it didn't leave
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: nothing to be desired. Really where you think if you're
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: looking back now and highest career has gone before and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: after that, I think that was the perfect, perfect piece
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of music for him.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And but let me say these these seven singles real quick, man,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: because this is important. You got Marvin's Room, you got headlines,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: you got made me proud, you got the model, you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: got to take care of title track, you got crew love,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: then you got the joint.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: H Y f R.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like like, these are massive songs, man,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that charted. Someone played them on radio all the time,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: someone played in the clubs. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably by twenty eleven, Drake is
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: on his way to being the big the guy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: He's probably the guy. He's probably the guy right now twenty.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Eleven, I would I would say so, didn't Marvin's Room
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and headlines drop like right before the album. Also, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: believe the album yeah, because I remember on line online
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like he could have sat on those singles for a minute,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: because the talk about Marvin's Room alone was a lot
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like that's all I saw. I went and bought that,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you know, back when people go and buy singles on iTunes.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I went and bought the single because I was like, Yo,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: this joint is I And I think to your point,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you're right because what I like, like using Marvin's Room
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: for example, right to me, like this is probably more
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: peak Drake singing than anything, to be honest, because when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you listen to him sing now, it's not the same
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: as back then. Yeah, this is kind of when he
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: was sounding he was sounding. Iight, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: To have a song like Marvin's Room where you're doing
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: some of the singing you do when some of the rapping,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and they both sound good, they both sound right as
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: far as the arrangement, Like it just sound like a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: perfect example of this is what Drake does in one song.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing sounded forced about that song. With nothing sound
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and force on the album at all, Every song to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: me felt authentic the popular songs or popular singers. It
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: didn't sound like songs we don't when the artist try
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to make a single, you know what I'm saying, I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: trying to make this hit the club.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: They were just dope songs that fit the mood, whether
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it was the club mood or radio mood or what
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: or just riding in your car. I just think that
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they the production team along with him, they put together
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: something that sequels very dope, you know what I'm saying. Also,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're looking at what we saying on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: some of his peak rapping, lord knows what Rick Ross
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was produced by. Just Blaze is a prime example of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: whenever Drake Widow on a rhyme and then Rick Ross
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Kilty and I said this a couple of years ago
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, I said.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Man, you know, Rick Ross and Drake never missed on
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: a song together.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: All the songs that did together all fire, you know
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that was a quick moment where
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Rick Ross and Drake would have done like a ten
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: track album. It would have been a classic problem man,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Like they were really they really sound good together, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and then that was a classic
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: just blaze beat. He didn't change his beat up to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: make it trying to fit some kind of No, there
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was a just base beat, just blaze banger, you know
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And then speaking.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Of of Drake love for the Underground, he even do
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a song called Underground Games. You know what I'm saying,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Like Underground Kings probably my second or third for my
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: preference favorite songs on the album, you know what I'm saying,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like Loo I love Lord Knows, Underground Games probably there
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: might be my two favorite songs on the album, you
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: So he was robbed, Yeah, you know what's dope about that?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like we said earlier, even though it's just and most
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: people's memories say that the whole album sounds like Marvin's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Room when that song comes on, it doesn't sound out
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of place at all, you know what I'm saying.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: They're trying a way to make it work. They find
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a way to make that work, Lord Knows, Underground Kids.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: They find a way to make both.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Of those work, right, which is.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Interesting considering you know what people say about the album,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and well, really Drake himself when talking about the album
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Uh like you said, you know, just real quick for
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: those who don't know, never heard, maybe wasn't interested in Drake.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Features on this album include The Weekend, Rihanna, Kendrick Lamar, Nicki, Minaj,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Rick Ross, Lil Wayne Audrey three thousand, Lil Wayne is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: here about three times, especially if you got to. But
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: also one other thing that I like about it is
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's not just about bars all the time.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: For people when they hear hip hop and rapping and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: m seeing, it's just great songwriting on here, right, themes
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that people can relate to, like no dude, I mean
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I hope not, I hope you're not like this, But
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: no dude or woman who loves like real boombap and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: lyrics and stuff like that can't say they can't have
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a relative moment in their lives. That's similar to Marvin's Room, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: even if it's just a line in there like oh
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: yeah I did that, Yeah I felt like that. That's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to me, that's kind of what makes the album so good,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is like there's a there's a lot of that, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's not wasted space when it comes to the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: songwriting on this album.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that, look a song. Remember Drake debunked what Weekend.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I think the Weekend was saying that there's like like
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: leven songs that he had on on a mixtape that
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: he was working on and end up giving like those
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: songs to Drake or something like that, and I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Drake and Fortyn was saying like nah, you know yah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: people can fact check that. But they was like nah, Drake.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It was like, Noah, that's not the way it happened,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I don't know if
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: they collabed on some songs, but Weekend kind of made
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: it sound like I believe it was. The Weekend kind
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: of made it sound like, uh, some of his songs
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: end up on take care You know what I'm saying. Now,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: this is before the weekend was the weekend, now, you
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Excuse me, early Young, excuse me
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: weekend early Young, Drake. So people can look that up
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: about the weekend songs and take care of you, they'll
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: see something about that if I'm not mistaken. But nevertheless,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's about I don't getting put together.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: The songwriting was great on Take Care of It flowed,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: it was sequeens. Like I said a few minutes ago,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I think that it's monumental for for his legacy and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: monumental for that era. And I know you have mother
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: questions about that. I don't want to jump the gun.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I think you ask more questions about it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's get into considering. Well, let me
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: just say this, because it was one note I did
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: have when you mentioned Underground Kings. One thing I liked
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: as a Drake fan. What I liked that he would
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: do is have songs like that, right, Like that made
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it feel like it was he was going to, like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, give an homage back to an old
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: school artist, like the Wu Tang joint on what was
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that Nothing was Ever the Same or something like that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But he's kind of done that, the Wu Tang Forever,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Wu Tang Forever, Like he's kind of done that as
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a as a theme. But when you hear the song,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it's not it's never what you expect. It's not it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: never what you expect. It's not like you think it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: bien right. It's almost like a jumping off point. The
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: hook is tied to the title, but it's never like, oh,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: he's gonna rap over some rizzo or he bun bees
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: on this track like it's never like that, which is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: why I like it, because it's always again, I don't
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: know what it's going to sound like. I read the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: title press plays like, oh okay, this is cool.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But yeah, let's get into one of the things you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: mentioned early about Drake. We know right now he's a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: polarizing figure in hip hop because of the Battle, but
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: even before the Battle you mentioned it, there was always
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: this debate on whether Drake was hip hop. This album
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: being hip hop? Is Drake and MC tone? What do
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you say and what do you think about those who
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: may try to push him off into another category that's.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Not hip hop?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Every now and then you get an artist who can
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: do a little bit of everything, and I think they're
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: confused some fans, because some fans hip hop sounds one way,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. They forget about the numerous
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: different styles in the fifty plus years of the culture.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: They forget about Beer's Marquis. Then they'll forget about you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Lauryn Hill, They'll forget about you know, bone thugs. They'll
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: forget about all these different styles, right You know what
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, and that's being mcso who sing some and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: in fact, this is not brand new, you know what
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, like fifty something hooks, Joy Rose singing hooks,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: M and M even singing some on some of his
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: own hooks. You know what I'm saying, Like, so people
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: played around with different ways to construct songs, you know
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But as far as Drake being hip hop,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the same thing I said when I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: was on the Rap Roundtable and me bringing this up.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: It probably about a year ago, we had this whole
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: discussion about Drake and Bardi hip hop. Last time I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: checked if you do it mixtapes, and you do it mixtapes,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and you got you doing songs with l z O,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: take carding of official bum Be, all of these different people, rhymers, spinters,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Then by the time So Far Gone come, you're doing
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: songs with.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Little Wayne and all these other MC's, you're rhyming, you
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: have rap songs, you have rap mix tapes. Yeah, you
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: sing some on some of your mixtape because you can,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, you're doing more things
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: because you're able to be versatile. Not to say I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: don't need somebody to come sing on hooks because I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: can sing my own hooks and sold my songs. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: might not rhyme on I'll just I'll just sing something
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: on because I found a niche, you know what I'm saying,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Like I'm al didn't sing I sing. You know what
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Because when the girls start really gravitating to Drake,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, what do you expect.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Someone to do?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Then I go, they're not gonna use their ability to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: sell records to get more fames, to get more money,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to be more note, have no more notoriety, and they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: feel a study. You know what I'm saying, Like Drake
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: end up being a chick magnet. So he made songs
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: for checks, you know what I'm saying. But every now
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and then again, we can't act like those Tomestem songs
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. We can't act like all those tracks with
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Rick Ross didn't happen. Yes, he's a rapper, you know
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, who can sing, who makes pop music
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and rap music. But to say he's not hip hop,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that means we're taking out a lot of other people
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: who did the same thing or something similar. You know
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I know it's not the cool
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: thing to say. Even before this battle and the loss
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: of Thing and all that, I think that Drake might
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: have rubbed certain people the wrong way because you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: he's not rugged, you know what I'm saying. So some
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: people think hip hop is a certain kind of image, right.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I talked to certain cats on the East Coast, and look,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Drake don't look like black Moon and Smith and Wesson.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He don't rap like that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, now, he don't look like mc
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: ain't and Snoop. You know what I'm saying, He don't
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: look like Okay. He's from Canada, a little bit of everything.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: He's influenced by everyone because he's a hip hop head first,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you can't tell me
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: somebody who who who has an over one hundred raps
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: her hundred songs, Well, rap on, it is not hip hop.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even make logical sense to me. You you
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you you rap over over over more than a hundred songs.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: When you mixtape your albums and your features, you've rapped
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: on more than one hundred songs and you're not hip hop.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: If anybody listening to this, or if you can explain
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that to me again for the third final time, that
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I'm that I'm an artist that raps on one hundred
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: songs between my mixtapes, my albums, my features, and I'm
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: not hip hop?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Didn't they nobody hip hop?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I This is where I think the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: argument comes from. Now, those who have watched my podcast,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: maybe follow my podcast no before the battle.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a Drake fan.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I have a number of albums, mixed tapes and all
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that because I like them for both.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I like the rapping, I definitely like the singing.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I like the music.
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  Speaker 1: But what I think, I think what Cats are doing
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: by separating Drake from his counterparts who can do the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: same exact things. For example, like Fonte and Lauren Hill,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is they were introduced to them primarily as rappers and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: most of the singing was in Fonte's case was like
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: foreign exchange and kind of sprinkled and little Brother and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Lauren Hill didn't really go full on with the singing
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  Speaker 1: until she had her solo But these same people would
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: never question them as MC's or their pen because they
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna do a little bit more singing on
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this project. I think Drake kind of popularized it and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: mastered it at a level that Lauren Hill didn't even
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: want to continue with, to be honest, after that first album.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where there's an issue, right because
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they don't want to accept this rapper that also sings
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  Speaker 1: in this way unless you raping the majority of the time,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: right right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that, you know what I'm saying, But
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it's like his gift is a curse, you know what
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, you know, because again, if I'm able
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to give multiple crowds within the hip hop context music
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: while what I so, yeah, every now that he'll do
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: his Timesteale song stuff like that, but then he gonna
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: do his slow songs for the chicks. He's gonna do
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: a certain kind of vibe for the club. And so
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: we're really a bit honest. The versatility is there. He
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: showed the versatility don't take care of But again, like
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I said on Twitter again recently, back to the hip
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: hop thing real quick, is so not only did I
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: do all those songs right a battle meet meals a battle,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: push a t a battle of Kendrick Lamar, and I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: throw I throw jabs at in common. You know what
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, I throw some stuff at at
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Rick Rosson and about five other people on Family Matters.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And if you listen to that second verson Family Matters,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Drake got it in. You know what I'm saying.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Like anybody, go back and listen to Family Matters right now,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: first of all the whole song, but that like second verse,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: when that beat change that first time, Drake, Drake got
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it in.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: He just everybody. You know what I'm saying. You know
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: So that ain't hip hop people, you're rap battles with
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you a Juggernut and you and you and another jugger
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Nut like Kendrick go at it and you make several
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: dish songs, Joseph Dope.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. For real, you know what
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And then it's the same thing like during the battle,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, if you've seen my content, you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: know I'm a big Kendrick fan, and you know I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: had my jokes about Drake. But the one thing I
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: would say about Drake and those videos in real time.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Was he battled though, Like he didn't run away from
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the battle. He didn't ignore Kendrick. He went in to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: battle to win. There's something to be said about being
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a well that's an MC, of being an MC and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a hip hop head. You think you justice nice, if
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: not better than this guy. And it's not like Kendrick
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: dropped four or five records and that was it. Like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Drake was dropping records trying to drop more like and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Dumpy freestyle.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Let's not forget hey, that Duble freestyle on Look, I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: tell people right now, Uh, if push it didn't have
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that throw out of all and didn't have that that
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: joker with that without his child, that might have ended
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: up a little different.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: That Duble freestyle was cold.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Then then he got meek out of them back to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: back playing clubs and the streets and everything that's not
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: hip hop.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: People again, make it make sense now.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I did a video about it last winter, I believe
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: because you know the battle was early last spring and summer,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I said in my video and I reposted on Twitter recently.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Drake did what a lot of people in his position
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have done and what they would have a lot
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: of people would have ignored people Drake didn't. Drake battle
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the same way Big Dey Cane and say, hey, two
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: people can't be in the room at the same time.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: We talk about it before and saying it the best.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You're gonna have to battle.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Drake is battle tested, like him or not. Okay, if
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: you want to say, push it got him cool, Kintrick
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: gat him cool.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: He fought, you know what I'm saying.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And like I said, thorn shots that common, thrown shots
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: at ross getting me up out of there. All of
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: this stuff is hip hop. So this is a singer
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: doing all that as a rapper, because a rapper, to me,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: who can say it? You know what I'm saying. So
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying. Man, you gotta make that stuff
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: make sense man. And he's proven it by being and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: engaging in battle. Also, he's done tracks with a lot
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: of different MC's. He's been on songs with your M
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and MS. He's been on songs with jay Z, pound Cake,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: all of these What are we?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: What are we really?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes we have the movie most out the way and
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be logical and not hip hop discussions and not hip
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: hop debates.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting, Like I mean, of course now
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: people feel justified in it. But again, you'd be talking
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: about a rap battle if it was a Kendrick being
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: then MC versus the singer. What are we even talking about?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Were even paying attention?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Right? Because who wants to hear that?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And for some of y'all who maybe may not be
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: old enough, maybe he wasn't outside in the early nineties
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: or the mid nineties or whatever. But when R and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: B singers rapped, most of the time, it wasn't good.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: It was pretty garbage most of the time.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Backstage dage got a lesson, right, except sometimes sometimes BBD
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: could be like, it's cool.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Back into the rime. But god, that was terrible. But
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: it's not good at the time.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: The R Kelly's, the Bobby Browns, the yo, I'm going
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to rap like now, please don't no, he's.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: A rapper, you know what?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And like you said, this time last year, people were
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: saying Kensick and Drake was the biggest rap battle of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I'm one of the ones that says the biggest because
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: of social media.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Now, if Kendrick, I mean, if Drake won a rapper
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: then there was no rap battle, right, So that means
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: not like us A is the biggest this song in
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: history of a rapper dis a singer.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: And that's not the way it went, right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: It can't be both.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: It can't be. You can't have guys, you can't have.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: It both ways, right, you can't have both all right?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So, out of Drake's catalog of music, is take care
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: his best album? And is it a classic? So because
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: remember Kendrick said you don't have.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: One, right, and Ken's supposed to say that because Jays
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: said one hot album, Amber Tina Avers.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And you know kr Rissi the bridges over me? You know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: was it over?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: You know? Maybe it was.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: But I'm just saying you can debate that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But i will say, based on the criteria, Well, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: like take Care Of the best. You know what I'm saying.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's his best album. I wouldn't be mad
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: if someone else say nothing was the same, might have
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: been better, or or one of those album might be better.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I've seen people discuss which album they think is the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: best one. I'm gonna say take care Of over all
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: hit every benchmark. I do believe that take Care Of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: is a classic album. And this is why I say
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: that too real quick. A lot of times when people
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: our age, the nostalgia hits you and you and just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, hey, hip hop legends and hip hop
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: classes didn't stop on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine. Man,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I've said this before on Twitter.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: So there are classes for other generations. You know what
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. People my age, do some of y'all fans
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: even realize how big Drake actually is, how big Take
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Carroll was, how it was received by a fan base
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: at that time, seven hundred thousand almost the first week,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: eight millionaire. It's a massive has the classic impact, gainst appearances, singles,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: everything has everything A classic album is gonna have whether
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you like it or not, that's fine.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: That's classic albums in the eighties nineties.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I don't like you think I like every album that's
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: five mics in the Source magazine. Some of them I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: think are okay, but I understand the impact of them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It's like certain eighties albums. I don't think some of
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: them was five mics, you know what I'm saying. Some
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: of them are some of them some of them were
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but it doesn't matter because
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: it hit the mark. You know what I'm saying. So
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: take Care of hit the mark for its generation. Matter
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of fact, you can't name too many albums bigger than
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: take Care in his generation outside maybe a Good Kid
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Man City, now, you know what I'm saying, Like, outside
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: of that, there's probably no album that's bigger than take
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Care in his generation.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: So, and I want to say, good Kid mass it
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: has dropped me. But what here after that? You know
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying with twenty twelve? But the Good Kid So,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, those two albums might be both of the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: magnum opus man, you know what I'm saying.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: And for their generation. Yeah, man, they classes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Well, take Care as my favorite Drake album, but also
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: for all the reasons I described earlier. Of why the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: album is so good to me is what makes it
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: his best album, argue arguably, but also makes it a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: classic because because honestly, those are the qualities of.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: A classic, right guest.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Features fit, the music all flows and everything sounds good.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: The sound quality is good, the writing is good, like
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: everything is there. Now to Tone's point, we could talk
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: about a number of different albums, and if you just
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: can't connect.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: With the artists, you're never gonna like it, you know
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So we're not here to It's not Ovo Tone and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Ovo Vegas here to convince you to like Drake or to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Like this album.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: It's really about the substance of the album, what he
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: was able to do at the time. All the rumors,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: well some are not rumors, but about the ghost writing,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: none of it really comes from this album, to be honest.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It comes from some of the fellershit that happens later
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: on in his career. Yeah, but this at this point
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: in time, and even now, we knew this was all Drake,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and to me it was. It's a great album. It's
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it's a classic in my opinion.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: What do y'all think? Do you like Drake? Do you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like Take Care his sophomore album? Do you feel the same?
• 44:18
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• 44:21
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• 44:24
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• 44:30
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• 44:42
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• 44:47
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• 44:51
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• 45:03
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• 45:05
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• 45:19
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• 45:33
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• 45:37
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• 45:40
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• 45:44
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• 45:47
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• 46:02
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