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S7 276.Part 1 - Days of Noah - Zionism, Replacement Theology & Jew Hatred · Millennial Mustard Seed

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Welcome to the Days of Noah podcast where we talk all things
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biblical, supernatural, and strange.
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I'm joined by my good friend Rod Smith from the Millennial
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Mustard Seed podcast as he and I discuss a very hot button issue
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in our culture today. Is modern Israel a counterfeit
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or a fulfillment of biblical prophecy?
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We're going to look at the roots of Zionism.
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Is it a modern construct? Is it a biblical construct right
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from the book of Genesis? In a nutshell, the answer to
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that question is yes to both. We're going to look at the roots
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of Zionism, where it came from, and we're going to look at how
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in the early church they took the Bible literally until Greek
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influence from Alexandria came in to interpret the Bible
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allegorically. And this interpretive process
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led to the idea that Israel has been replaced by the church and
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all of its blessings and conveniently none of its curses
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has been passed to the church, and any prophecies yet to be
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fulfilled have been fulfilled in Christ.
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We're going to take a close look at that idea and how all of
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these things originated hundreds of years ago and LED to an
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incredible amount of hate and mistreatment of the Jewish
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people by Christians. And this hatred LED right into
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Nazi Germany. I believe it was the late Chuck
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Missler that said we can trace a line from Augustine to
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Auschwitz. And it really is true,
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Unfortunately, we need to seek God's heart regarding this issue
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of Israel and not have carte blanche support for them, but
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understand the complexity of it all.
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Looking at Romans 9 through 11 as Paul lays out God's heart for
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So with that, let's get started talking about the roots of
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Zionism, Jew hatred, and replacement theology.
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All right, well, welcome back to another episode.
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I am Pete, the host of the Days of Noah, as you know, and I'm
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here with my de facto Co host, Rod Smith from The Millennial
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Mustard Seed. What's up, Rod?
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What's going on, Pete? Good to be here, man.
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Good to have you. This is not a mini.
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It's not a micro mini this time. No, it it should be listed in
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the Dovetail awards because the Dovetail.
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Awards. Yeah, maybe, maybe that's
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something brand new we'll work on.
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But no, I mean, when you introduce this idea to me, I was
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like, yeah, because it's timely what we're going to, what you're
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going to be discussing. And I'll kind of chime in as I
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feel led by the Spirit and this is an important topic.
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Yeah. So what is the important topic?
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Well, it dovetails and is kind of a commentary on the episode I
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released with Sean from Sgt. Report when he invited me on his
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show and we were talking about Israel.
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And there is a very hot issue debate raging these days as the
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whole October 7th, 2023 is being investigated.
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And those like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying, hey,
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wait a minute, why are we giving such support to these people who
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are doing awful things? And the term Christian Zionism,
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it's not a new term, but it's a pejorative.
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It's thought of as a bad thing. And so, you know, pretty much
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since October 7th, I've really tried to understand this issue
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of how to think about Israel. But since getting ready for that
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recording with Sean, and that was about two months ago as of
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when we're recording now in late January, I've just continued
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that track of trying to research this stuff.
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I've probably listened to 80 to 100 hours of YouTube and audio
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books and Kindle books being read to me by a computer voice.
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And it's it's really opened my eyes up to the origin of where
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we got off track in interpreting the Bible and also understanding
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the end times eschatology. And why is that so important?
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Well, if I'm going to have a show called the Days of Noah
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podcast, I kind of better know what the days of Noah means to
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me and what it means biblically from my understanding.
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And of course that that is a futurist point of view, right,
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Rod? It's we're expecting a literal
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Antichrist, the literal Jesus returning to the earth, a
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literal tribulation period, a literal mark of the beast.
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These things are all upcoming. And I, I also have been
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listening to a lot of Joel Richardson really liking his
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stuff. So Andy Woods, Doctor Michael
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Brown. I mean, I, I hope to have these
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kind of people on the show to really tackle some of these
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issues one by one. But we're going to give you guys
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kind of a smattering of these different topics as we comment
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on my recording with Sean and the Israel issue and the
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allegorical interpretation of the Bible issue.
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And that's where a lot of these things start.
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So I'll start with this. The allegorical interpretation
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of the Bible was something that was popularized by Augustine,
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and he pretty much got it from origin.
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So origin was in the Alexandria school, which was kind of across
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the lake from Greece. And so there was a lot of
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Gnostic and Platonism and all sorts of different philosophical
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ideas about how the world worked and they had.
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In Gnosticism there is this dualistic view that the
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spiritual is the good and the pure, and the physical is the
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bad and the evil and nothing redeemable about it.
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And with that idea came the spiritualizing of literal things
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in the Bible. So even though Jesus fulfilled
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something like 300 prophecies to the T, to the letter, every jot
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and title was fulfilled in his first coming.
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Somehow we have this idea since Augustine popularized it and the
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Catholic Church ran with it and the reformers didn't reform
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against it. That there's no such thing as a
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literal Millennium. And God is done with the Jews
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that Israel's time has passed. They are no longer the chosen
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people. The church now is the real
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Israel. All of that comes from
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spiritualizing, and all of that comes from the allegorical
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interpretation. That is the origin of
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replacement theology, which says that the Church has replaced
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Israel. And so that's kind of what I was
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trying to push back against on Sean's show without bringing up
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that term because to him and his listeners, so much of their
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point of view is Zionism is a modern construct.
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It comes from the Rothschild banking elite.
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It comes from this New World order power structure.
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And you know, Darby in his dispensational thinking in the
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1830s, well, guess what, He was a contemporary and A and
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connected with the Rothschild family.
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And so of course his views about Israel having a place in the end
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times and the Jewish state of Israel that came about in 1948.
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Well, that was all a work of this banking elite trying to
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carve out a power structure for themselves.
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And I don't negate that that's possible, in fact, even likely.
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But as I talked about with Sean, since when does an evil king up
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to evil things mean that Israel is not Israel?
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You had King Ahab, Ahab, for crying out loud, Jezebel.
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You had some of these kings that were, you know, building altars
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to Molech and sacrificing their children, putting them through
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the fire. You can't get much more wicked
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than what they were doing. Temple prostitution, you know,
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marrying, you know, Nephilim tribes, intermarrying with them,
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bringing their Pagan gods into Israel.
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It was still Israel. So that's kind of a long winded
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intro to to what we're going to talk about.
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And I'll throw it to Rod for a second just to to comment or add
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anything on that before we launch into some of the bullet
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points we have. As usual, I've got way too much
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to cover, but hopefully this sets up a foundation for talking
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about these topics in the future.
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Yeah, I mean, there's a lot going on here, right?
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And this is definitely a meaty subject.
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So people that are brand new to the faith or people that are not
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actually walking in true faith, the substance of things.
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So for the evidence of the unseen and a surrendered heart
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may throw this topic to the wayside.
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Some people are indifferent, some people have very strong
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views on being an anti semite or replacement.
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The all of these different keywords that can get you, well,
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let's just say not happy with the algorithm.
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But it is a serious question and I believe it's one that really
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needs to be discussed with a humble and open mind where the
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spirit has the room to help us along the way.
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I mean, he's the teacher of all things that are to be taught
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that are pure, that are from the Lord.
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So from where I'm coming from, I do not have much research on
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this. I don't have much desire to go
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into it with a dogmatic stance of any sort and kind.
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I've been very malleable. I think I can see both sides of
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it to some extent because I agree with certain things that
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Candace will say, but that is not an endorsement for her
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content or her character or what she does at all.
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I'm noted for being the guy who says we all have a little
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something wrong and we all have a little something right.
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So as we kind of start diving into it, and Pete, as you start
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kind of going through this systematically and setting up,
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you know, a bit of a template of how to view this and build the
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case for, do we have the full picture?
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What is the ultimate truth here? I'll just start by saying each
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of the listeners pray about this.
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If you're in the meat of God's Word, this is a serious topic.
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It's better to have an answer and not have a microphone to
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shout into, then for it to come knocking on your door and be
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blindsided. So I think that you guys are
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listening to the days of Noah and to the MMS.
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God is using us to plant seeds, to go ahead in a way and kind of
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be a the tip of a spear. So give us some grace if we
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don't have everything right. But remember, we're also doing
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this as a body. This is a journey.
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Yeah, yeah. That's that's very true.
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So yeah, I'm not going to get everything right either.
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So definitely be a good Berean and look into these things.
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And I'll, I'll try to give you some resources for you to do
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your own research that way. But so just Full disclosure from
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where I'm coming from and anybody that's listened to me
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long enough knows that I do tend to take a literal hermeneutic to
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the Bible. And so when I was unpacking this
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idea of what is dispensationalism, I immediately
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latched on. This was about two months ago.
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I've heard the term, didn't know if I identified with it or not.
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But when someone defined it as, Oh, well, dispensationalism is
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simply taking a literal, historical, grammatical
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hermeneutic to the Bible, unless there's some reason to
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spiritualize it, if the text just doesn't work at all
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literally, or there's something in the text that says it should
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be spiritual, we generally take it at face value.
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And I thought, well, OK, I'm, I'm a dispensationalist then.
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Well, then I found out there's more baggage to that rod
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smiling. There's a lot more baggage to
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that. And I, I think there's so much
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wisdom to a little something right or a little something
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wrong. The late Jim Rohn said be a
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disciple of no one except the Lords.
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And so I want to, I want to read a few thoughts that have to do
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with that and from where I'm coming from, because a lot of
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these ideas about how to think about Israel and are there
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prophecies yet to be fulfilled. You have to start with what is
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your hermeneutic to approaching the Bible?
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If you don't start there, then you can fill in the blank for
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any type of view. You have to know where are you
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on that paradigm of allegorical versus literal.
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And there's it's not to say that there is an allegory in the
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Bible. There is Rod, and I've talked
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about this many times. There's so many layers to things
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that are in the Bible. It's not just the surface.
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God often has multiple layers. Yeah, the multi layered effect,
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right. And I think it was the late
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Doctor Chuck Missler that said if you torture the text long
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enough, you can get it to say whatever you want.
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So one of the really big deals that we need to consider as
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Bereans, as ambassadors, as children of God is are we giving
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the spirit room? But there's this staunch turning
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point right now in today's day and age where it's a popular
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topic, which I think is dangerous, Pete, because there's
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a lot of people that are not bringing the fear of the Lord,
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the wisdom of the Lord into it. And I do like your approach.
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I mean, just what we talked about, all fair.
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And what you did with Sean on the SGGT report was done quite
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well. So I'm excited to get into what
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you have here. Yeah, sounds good.
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Thank you for that. And all right, so again, there
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is an idea today that Christian Zionism is a modern construct
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invented and brought about by the Rothschild banking elites,
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popularized by Darby and the Schofield Reference Bible with
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all his notes that he added. And to an extent that's true
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when it comes to political Zionism as the state of Israel,
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but it is in fact an unconditional covenant that God
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gave to Abraham for their homeland.
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And, and the land was only one aspect of it and therefore it
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did not arise in the 19th century.
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But from the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, Satan loves
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to get rid of every baby along with every bath.
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So a bath cleanses, right? But he wants to throw the baby
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out. So whenever God does a genuine
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move, Satan wants to counterfeit it and corrupt it and make
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overreaching happen. So the Reformers, they pushed
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back against the errors that was in the Roman Catholic Church,
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but they didn't go far enough and they got some things wrong
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and they held on to some things from the Catholic Church that
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they shouldn't have. Darby got some things wrong.
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I've been studying the pre Trib versus post Trib rapture and as
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of today I don't feel there is support for the pre Trib rapture
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that all of the verses that seem to point to.
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It can be explained as not necessarily needing a we're
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taking you out or God is saying we're taking you out of the
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earth in order to accomplish. But I'll leave that for another
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topic. That was a big thing to do with
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Darby and dispensationalism. That's why I bring that up
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because the pre Trib rapture is something that does not exist in
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church history until the 1800s. Augustine got some things wrong
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even though he was pushing a back against heresy in his day.
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Every move of God, Satan tries to create errors and
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overreaches. And I think in my opinion, God
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lets this happen on purpose. So we don't follow anyone,
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system, one person, etcetera, etcetera, except for Him and His
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word. So in this time period of
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history, knowledge has increased and so people are aware of evil
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that used to be covered up and only known in small circles.
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So I think what's happening is people are calling out the evil
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where they see it, but they forget that nothing escapes
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God's view or control. So think of the sound bites we
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would hear from the Tucker Carlson's and the Candace Owens
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of the world. If Ahab was in charge of Israel
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today or any other of the evil abominable leaders that Israel's
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had in the pages of the Old Testament, would they have a
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point calling out that evil? Absolutely.
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But as I said with Sean, we need to enlarge our paradigm.
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So here's my prediction in the end times that hate for Jews and
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Christians will reach a crescendo under the beasts one
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world government system when the natural root.
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This comes from language in Romans.
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That, Paul wrote, is grafted back in and we become one bride,
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right? We're called the bride of
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Christ. Well, where does that language
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come from? It actually comes from the Old
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Testament with Israel. So this idea that the church has
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replaced Israel, Paul soundly refutes that in Romans where he
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says you Gentiles are being grafted in.
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We are the wild olive branch being grafted in and he warns
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Gentiles not to become arrogant and think we replace them, but
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recognizing that the root supports us.
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So I think as Jews come to Christ and are grafted back in,
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the natural branches are going to be grafted back in how they
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were meant to, embracing Jesus as their Messiah.
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The hate for Jews and the hate for Christians will reach that
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crescendo. And the world is being prepared
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right now for that hatred, for us to be the marginalized ones
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who are not getting along with the world's program and we are
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getting in the way of peace. If it weren't for you Jesus
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lovers, Rod, maybe you could pull up Romans 11.
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There's a few things in there that I want to read.
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And while you're getting that ready, I'm going to, I'm going
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to read a quote from J Richards, JW Richards.
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I found an article on the Heritage Foundation that I
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thought was really well done on the topic of Christian Zionism.
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And he says this, he makes an analogy says functionally
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separating anti Zionism and anti-Semitism is kind of like
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claiming that no one has any animus towards the Japanese,
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they just believe Japan should not exist.
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The analogy would be better if other nations had oppressed the
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Japanese for centuries and if Japan were now surrounded by
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hostile neighbors who deny its right to exist and would
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eviscerate it if given half a chance.
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So he's making the point that saying that Zionism is an evil
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construct, while it might be Co opted by the Rothschilds of the
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world. I don't doubt that there is a
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very thin veil between anti-Semitism and anti Zionism.
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Another point I want to make is something that Joel Richardson
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pointed out, and he's got an excellent book that I just
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started to read today called When a Jew, When a Jew Rules the
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World about Christ's return, and he documents how Hitler's Jew
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hatred, This is not a new thing. This was a common attitude among
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Christians for hundreds of years, and it's really been just
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as much a part of Christianity as the belief in the Trinity or
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Jesus being the Incarnate God. That's something we don't often
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hear about our own church history.
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And on Chuck Missler's website, Koinonia House, he has an
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article on the origin and outcome of replacement theology,
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and I'll try to remember to put a link to that in the show
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notes. But he has quotes from early
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church fathers. Ignatius of Antioch said he
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taught that those who partake of the Passover are partakers of
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those who killed Jesus. Just in martyr claims God's
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covenant with Israel is no longer valid and the Gentiles
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had replaced them. Irenaeus declared the Jews were
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disinherited from the grace of God.
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Tertullian blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus and argued
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they have been rejected origin responsible for much
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anti-Semitism, all of which was based on his assertion the Jews
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responsible for killing Jesus. And later I'm going to read a
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quote and I'm going to let you guys guess who said this quote.
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I'm going to get it ready, but I'm going to throw it to Rod for
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some verses from Romans 11/1 through 4, I think, and then
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jump down to 18 through 22. Starting at verse one, I say
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then has God castaway His people?
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Certainly not, for I also am an Israelite, the seed of Abraham,
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of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast his people whom
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He foreknew. Or do you not know what the
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scripture says of Elijah, how he pled with God against Israel,
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saying, Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your
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altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.
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But what does this divine response say to him?
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I have reserved myself 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to
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bow ascending verse 4. I'm going to jump down to Romans
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11 starting in verse 18 now. Actually, start with the start
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with 17 through 22. 17 And if some of the branches were broken
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off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among
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them, and with them became a partaker of the root and the
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fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches.
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But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the
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root, but the root supports you. You will say then branches were
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broken off, that I might be grafted in.
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Well said. Because of unbelief they were
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broken off. And you stand by faith.
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Do not be haughty, but fear God. For if God did not spare the
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natural branches, He may not spare you either.
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Therefore consider the goodness and the severity of God on those
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who fell severity but towards you goodness, if you continue in
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His goodness, otherwise you also will be cut off.
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Very, very interesting. God is using the word Israelite
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here and he's relaying that in the very beginning as we read up
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in verse 4, a seed of Abraham, and you can see how it's being
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tied to the faith, new more numerous than the stars.
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So I think that there's some hermeneutic expectations to be
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able to break down what a Jew is versus an Israelite versus a,
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you know, an ambassador maybe, or a son of God, right?
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And and this is once again, it comes back to what I talk about
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on my show over the course of many years is a language war.
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Sometimes we mean the same thing, but the dispositions that
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the oppositions are actually because of the set up what
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language has done to these sub pockets where there's a realm
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effect. You say one thing with a motive
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that's pure, but your language does not jive with what I'm
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hearing on the East Coast, right.
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And it's like we do see this show up quite a bit.
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And I think that This is why the scriptures literally command a
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study to show thyself well approved.
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Because if love is this qualifying, you know, Excellency
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from God, that, that if we do anything outside of love, it's
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vanity, it's worthless, it doesn't matter.
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Then it really would be a journey for us to to say, I'm
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going to love the indifference. I'm going to love long enough
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because Love's gentle, patient kind.
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It doesn't demand, it doesn't envy, right?
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So it really does show that if you're willing to work this
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thing out and take a couple years and some bruises and some
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swings at your name for trying to get people to understand
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this, I think that that is a sign of fruit.
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And Pete, I see that me and you and many others like us are
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doing the very the very thing that the scriptures are calling
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us to. But in a nutshell, I just wanted
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to point out real quick after reading, you know, Romans 11/1
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through 4:00 and then started at 17 through 22 there, that the
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Scriptures are associating Israelites with faith in the Sea
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of Abraham. It's fascinating, Fascinating.
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Yeah, yeah, and and he's warning not to be arrogant towards the
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branches. If you're a wild olive, shoot,
29:10
that's the Gentiles. Don't be arrogant towards them.
29:13
Unfortunately, that's exactly what happened.
29:16
As the early church was taken over numerically by Gentiles and
29:23
the Jewish Christians were the minority.
29:27
There was quite the pushback over the church history to
29:33
disparage and remove that Jewishness from them.
29:39
And, and many of the Church Fathers and, and the early
29:42
Catholic Church right through the Middle Ages, even the
29:45
Reformers, all sorts of laws and edicts were pass to persecute
29:51
them, to kick them out of the church, to kick them out of the
29:56
city, you know, burned alive all sorts of things.
30:01
You know, one, one guy gave him a invited him to a sermon.
30:05
And if they didn't convert after the sermon, they were
30:09
excommunicated, this sort of thing.
30:12
And, and again, this comes from having an allegorical
30:16
interpretation that the church has replaced Israel and God
30:21
really doesn't have any special plans for Israel left.
30:26
I want to read this quote and and ask you guys, the listeners
30:30
to think of who might have said this.
30:36
What then, shall we Christians do with this damned rejected
30:40
race of Jews? First, their synagogues should
30:43
be set on fire. Whatever does not burn up should
30:47
be covered or spread over with dirt, so no one may ever be able
30:51
to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for
30:55
the honor of God and of Christianity, in order that God
30:58
may see that we are Christians. Secondly, their homes should
31:02
likewise be broken down and destroyed, for they perpetrate
31:07
the same things that their that they do in their synagogues, and
31:12
for this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a
31:16
stable like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they
31:19
are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable
31:24
captives. Thirdly, they should be deprived
31:26
of their prayer books and Talmud's, in which such
31:30
idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught.
31:34
Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death
31:37
to teach anymore. And to sum up, dear Princess,
31:40
and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine
31:44
does not suit you, then find a better one, so that you and we
31:49
may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden.
31:53
The Jews next to the devil. A Christian has no more bitter
31:58
and galling foe than the Jew. Are those the words of Hamas or
32:12
Hitler? No, they come from Martin
32:18
Luther. Wow.
32:23
And he's not the only church leader in history to have such
32:28
rhetoric, unfortunately. And I'm saying this as someone
32:32
who grew up Lutheran, and Luther did a number of wonderful things
32:37
for Christianity, and he didn't start out this way.
32:41
He actually had a favorable attitude toward them at first,
32:45
wanting them to repent and come to Christ.
32:48
But when they didn't, this was what he wrote in a treatise
32:57
titled On the Jews and Their Lies.
33:01
Now, this is not to say that there aren't some awful heresies
33:07
in Talmudic writings. I'm sure there are.
33:09
I've I've heard quotes about saying terrible things about
33:13
Jesus. Guys, there's no sin that's off
33:19
limits to God where he says, Oh yeah, that that was a slap in
33:24
the face. I'm done with you.
33:26
As long as we have breath, we can turn to him.
33:29
And he's always trying to discipline us towards
33:32
repentance, right? Paul said the kindness and the
33:35
severity of God, so it's a common supersessionist.
33:44
That's another name for replacement theology with the
33:47
church has superseded Israel. Common supersessionist belief
33:52
from the early church even is that Jesus came to destroy the
33:57
Jewish state of Israel and replace it with the church
34:00
permanently, and that this was accomplished in 8070.
34:05
So what does that have to do with modern Israel?
34:08
The same conclusion is often made.
34:10
They must be illegitimate then, because God did away with them.
34:14
He divorced them as a nation. Some people even say that the
34:19
the scroll in Revelation is a divorce decree when it is
34:25
clearly a title deed of the earth and Jesus is worthy to
34:29
open it. And they are weeping because
34:35
he's the only one who can open it and save people from what is
34:39
going on. That's so good be and I'm
34:44
triggered with a little bit of a humbling effect that needs to
34:48
ripple out into the church's ears.
34:50
OK, so the law first mentioned, I'm sure you guys have heard of
34:54
that before. I want to talk about Israel as
34:58
the word that God originates from Jacob, right?
35:03
There's a name change. There's a substance that changes
35:07
from one identity to a new identity.
35:10
And if you guys remember, Jacob was a deceiver and he was given
35:16
a new name by God. So if anybody in Christianity is
35:20
to boast and to agree with what Martin Luther read that Pete
35:24
just quoted a few minutes ago and have that position for the
35:28
Jews, you might want to get off your high horse before you get
35:33
knocked down, because pride comes before the fall.
35:36
We are no better. There's one narrow way that we
35:40
are accessing ourselves and is by the blood of the Lamb and the
35:43
word of our testimony at this end age that we're playing into.
35:47
And so if God took a deceiver and gave them a covenant and
35:54
renamed them, then who are we to say that we're replacing Israel?
35:58
All's you're saying is that you're a deceiver and God,
36:02
right? You're boasting that God chose
36:04
you, but that's disingenuous to what's written grafted in.
36:08
That's what God I believe, really wants our hearts to
36:11
settle on is that you want to why do we want to measure up sin
36:16
and chase people into corners and cage these people and then
36:19
well, let's kill these people because they did this.
36:21
The word literally says if you know to do right and do it not
36:26
it's sin unto you all have fallen short guys, every single
36:30
one of us. So when we're talking about a
36:33
Jewish culture, I do identify some differences than what God
36:37
is distinguishing as an Israel light because actually we're all
36:42
Israelites in the accord of the faith of Abraham.
36:45
We're all fallen short. We're all deceivers and sinners
36:48
that are made right by the blood of Yeshua.
36:51
But when we're talking about a culture, this is where I'd start
36:54
to push back and say I don't give anybody a license to do
36:57
something wrong because they claim ancient, you know, somatic
37:01
root heritage where they identify with the pre religion
37:05
to my current religion and therefore they get a card to do
37:07
whatever they'd like wrong. Absolutely not.
37:10
This is where I would draw the line and say your accountability
37:13
is no different than my accountability.
37:16
God is the same God yesterday, today, and forever.
37:18
So I just wanted to point that out because this is the danger
37:22
of replacement theology as inside of your own mind,
37:25
according to the doctrine of men, you're asserting yourself
37:28
as if you are the only chosen apple of God's eye.
37:32
And that is dangerous because anyone who repents and comes to
37:37
him is grafted in as the Israelites, the first branch.
37:42
So we should not boast against that first branch, but
37:45
understand that God chose those people in that time slot in
37:49
order for His divine plans to come about.
37:51
He knows the beginning from the end.
37:54
This, all of it, is a test of our character, a test of our
37:56
judgement. This is a voting booth of life,
38:00
ladies and gentlemen, and your humility counts more than you
38:04
might like to admit. So sorry.
38:07
I hope that doesn't derail Pete, but not at all.
38:09
Once again, this is the moving of the Spirit in me as I'm kind
38:12
of reacting live with you on this recording because I'm not
38:16
well studied. But I do know the Spirit gives
38:20
us truth, right and wrong. Decency and indecency is pretty
38:25
easy to see when you're cloaked in love.
38:28
Yeah, yeah. And that's something I said to
38:31
in the interview with Sean is, is we have to seek God's heart
38:35
on this issue. And I think Paul captures it
38:38
really well in Romans 9 through 11.
38:41
I think it was Andy Woods that that put it this way.
38:44
Romans 9 was rejection of Romans 10 or I'm sorry, Romans 9 was
38:53
election. Romans 10 was rejection and
38:59
Romans 11 was their eventual, eventual acceptance.
39:05
I'm, I'm, I'm botching that I have it written down here
39:09
somewhere. It was much more succinct than
39:12
that. But basically, God is not done
39:16
with the Israelites. And as Rod said, and as Paul
39:22
said, we are grafted in, right? The church doesn't replace
39:27
Israel. We are an expansion of what was
39:31
always meant to be their Messiah, our Messiah, you know,
39:38
one body unified in Christ. Now at the Nuremberg trials, the
39:44
Nazi leaders, they actually tried to use this excuse that
39:50
they were only carrying out Martin Luther's words regarding
39:53
the Jews. Think of that.
39:57
And Hitler praised him for those words.
40:01
This was not a new construct. This was going on for hundreds
40:06
of years. From some of the quotes that I
40:09
read, Ignatius Martyr Iranius origin, there was a Council of
40:14
Elvira in the year three O 5, the 325 Council of Nicaea.
40:21
Moved away from the past, the Passover to the Easter
40:24
celebration. You have words from Eusebius.
40:27
You have an awful I think it was like an 8 or A10 sermon series
40:33
of just horribly harsh rhetoric from John Chrysostom, Saint
40:38
Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine. These people were saying Jews
40:43
deserve death because they were Christ killers.
40:48
By the Middle Ages you basically had two doctrines that had been
40:52
firmly established. The Jews are Christ killers and
40:55
should be treated as such. And to the church has replaced
40:59
Israel and God has no special purpose prophetically for them
41:03
anymore. And of course we read Luther's
41:07
words and Calvin wasn't much better.
41:10
The two big reformers wishing death upon them, saying their
41:14
homes and synagogues should be burned.
41:17
And of course, this morphed into anti Zionism.
41:22
And what is this sound like? Who is the accuser, the
41:27
slanderer in the Bible? That's Satan himself when we
41:33
have this type of hateful rhetoric.
41:36
That's exactly what Paul was refuting in Romans.
41:40
And we're sounding like the father of lies himself.
41:45
So it's my opinion, as I said on the show with Sean, I think this
41:50
is this concept of Zionism is biblical, but it has been Co
41:54
opted, infiltrated, usurped and subverted.
41:59
And there's no doubt that there's an Antichrist spirit
42:02
that persists in Talmudic Judaism, right?
42:05
Like Sean played the clip of of the Christian saying that they
42:09
get spit on and pepper sprayed by by Jews there.
42:13
I don't doubt it. I mean, think of what?
42:17
Think of what Saul did to the followers of the way before
42:24
Jesus met him on that road to Damascus.
42:28
Precisely. Saul People were afraid.
42:33
When Saul got converted, they were afraid that he was coming
42:39
to get them. They didn't believe that he was
42:41
a good guy because they knew his reputation and what he did.
42:45
He was there approving of the stoning, the killing of Steven.
42:50
And see, Steven was trying to recount their history of how
42:54
many times they missed it the first time and then they got it
42:57
right. The second time they were blind
43:00
and hardened and and just didn't understand.
43:03
And then the second time and he was about to get to the same
43:06
thing about Jesus and they knew where he was going with it and
43:11
they killed him. So I want to talk a bit about
43:18
some of the things that, well, let me go to this.
43:23
Some of the comments on the episode, if you go to Sean's
43:29
channel on Rumble, these were some of the comments and I
43:32
printed them out not to, to read them verbatim or to shame
43:36
anybody because listen, we all have different views on this.
43:39
I'm not saying anybody that disagrees with me or Rod on
43:41
this, you're a bad person. But I did this to try to
43:46
encapsulate some of the views that were pushing back against
43:53
what I was trying to share, which was an enlarged paradigm
43:56
that yes, we have the Rothschilds, we have this evil,
43:59
there's something bigger going on, and God is sovereign over
44:02
all of it. So the I printed out like
44:08
there's like 15 pages of this, but I basically just wrote down
44:11
a summary of their view. SO1 commenter embraces full
44:17
preterism, which basically says everything in Revelations
44:21
already happened. There's there's not even a
44:23
second coming of Jesus. One person was a Holocaust
44:30
denier. Another person called me a
44:34
Christian Zionist as a as a a pejorative term, an insult.
44:41
Another one called Jews and Zionists the enemy of humanity.
44:45
Another one says Jesus fulfilled it all.
44:48
That's replacement theology. All these promises, they were
44:51
fulfilled spiritually in Jesus. You'll hear that quite a lot
44:54
taught in churches everywhere, they'll say.
44:59
Another commenter said Israel today is a fake.
45:02
More replacement theology. Another comment on replacement
45:06
theology. Another person says the
45:08
scriptures were corrupted by fake Jews.
45:11
And Jonathan Cahn is misleading because I brought up his book on
45:14
the Oracle Guys that that book, I mean, listen, he is such a
45:19
public figure. Anybody could Fact Check this if
45:22
they want. Go get the book.
45:25
Look at his claims about history, about, you know, Herzl
45:29
and, and Mark Twain and what the parishaw that tell the, the
45:36
Torah reading that's done every Sabbath around the world.
45:40
It's been going on since 600 BC or something like that.
45:43
How these scriptures fell on the exact day of what was happening
45:48
in the world. You can look that up and verify
45:51
for yourself. And it's in my opinion, there's
45:53
no doubt God brought the Jews back to this land.
45:57
This isn't the Rothschilds. This isn't the UN.
46:00
God is sovereign over all of that.
46:02
And when you see how these things line up that he lays out
46:07
in the book, it's undeniable. Another commenter talks about is
46:14
is in support of an allegorical biblical interpretation.
46:19
Another one is supporting replacement theology.
46:22
Another one says God divorced Israel.
46:25
Another one calls me a Jew apologist, a total Christian
46:29
Zionist. Another one says Jonathan Cahn
46:34
is a Freemason. Another one says today's Israel
46:39
is not biblical Israel. That's kind of where Sean was
46:43
at. Sean's a good guy.
46:45
I just think that that he's he's listening to A1 sided voice.
46:51
Another one says Zionism is a modern creation and is anti
46:55
Jesus. Another one says I'm a Zionist
46:58
shill. What else we got here?
47:04
Jews are not Israel, but Judah. Well, yeah, originally it came
47:09
from the word Judah, but it's colloquially understood as
47:13
Israel for hundreds of years now.
47:16
Another one supports the post Millennium right that Jesus
47:20
already came. They say he came spiritually.
47:24
This is a new one. Rod.
47:26
I I hadn't heard this before the last month or so.
47:29
Lot of people teach that Jesus came spiritually in 70 AD.
47:34
That was his second coming. Some people still say there's a
47:37
third coming if you're a partial preterist.
47:41
But full preterist say no, there's no more coming.
47:46
Another one says Zionism is a modern construct.
47:49
Israel today is not the same as in the Bible.
47:53
God is done with the Jews. Christians are the Israel now.
47:59
The Bible is corrupt. More more slandering of Jonathan
48:04
Cahn. There is 0 good in Israel.
48:08
They need to be assassinated and nuked out of existence.
48:14
Today's Israel is a fake Israel. Yeah, the Israel of today is not
48:24
the Israel of the Bible. I mean, do you do you see the
48:26
theme here? Yeah, I do.
48:31
Jesus is the everlasting covenant.
48:33
The covenant from the Jews is the old and is irreparably
48:37
broken. Well, in a sense that true, that
48:42
covenant has been obsolete. The Bible says it's obsolete.
48:49
The new and better one is here. Zionist propagandist.
48:57
I don't trust Jonathan Cahn. Listen, you don't have to trust
49:00
Jonathan Cahn or me. Go to your Bible, go to your
49:03
history book, go to your Google mobile and look this stuff up.
49:06
See if it's true. See if these things happen the
49:11
way they did and see if God's hand is involved in it.
49:18
The state of Israel is a modern day miracle if you look at the
49:22
facts. Now, here's one of the things
49:28
I've been a big advocate for in my personal life, and I've
49:31
chimed in a little bit on air. What about all the people that
49:38
nobody knows their name who have been tortured and killed, right?
49:42
So, like, there's a lot of focus on Israel.
49:44
There's a lot of focus on Ukraine, whatever the beast
49:47
system produces content for on the news stream, false media,
49:51
Nephilim systems, that's what people want to talk about.
49:55
But the same way that we are grafted in through faith,
50:00
through the price that was paid by Yeshua, is the same access
50:05
that every nation has. Because the Bible says that
50:08
every knee will bow and every tongue will confess, and that he
50:11
will call every tribe, nation, and tongue unto himself, right?
50:16
These are prophetic things of the very end of the age.
50:18
And so I want us to consider, why would anybody have the right
50:25
to have a hatred for Israel when you have no right to have a
50:30
hatred for any nation? But you do have a right as a
50:35
child of God to look after the true widow and the true orphan,
50:41
OK. And that's every nation, not
50:43
just Ukraine, and not just Israel, not just Palestine, not
50:47
just Africa. It's your own city, it's your
50:49
own neighborhood, it's your own backyard.
50:52
So all the comments that you read, Pete, one thing that I
50:55
seen in common is that the mind of Christ is not in the people.
50:59
And I'm not trying to point them out or say that they're not
51:01
Christians or judge them. But the Bible says he, he was
51:04
spiritual, can judge all things. So I'm going to say my piece on
51:08
this. If you have the mind of Christ
51:11
and the Spirit is moving through you, you will see a
51:14
reconciliation in the worst possible places, OK.
51:19
You'll see a reconciliation in places that your flesh and the
51:24
mind of man would not allow. So I don't think that the
51:28
conversation should be restricted to an Israel Zionist
51:32
conversation. I think it should be stretching
51:35
the boundaries is what I'm good at, right?
51:37
Pushing the envelope just a little bit further, as people
51:40
like to say about me, let's make this inclusive of every
51:43
language, tribe, nation, and tongue, OK?
51:45
Because if you clearly cannot practice a love for someone
51:49
who's different than you or something you do not understand,
51:51
you are unqualified to work in the fullness of your heavenly
51:55
scroll. Because love, it doesn't matter
51:57
how much knowledge you got, how much wisdom you got, how much
52:00
resources you have, you are making noise if you don't have
52:03
love. So I want to challenge some of
52:05
you of listeners out there that may be in the camp where you're
52:08
mad at Israel because the news told you be mad at Israel or
52:11
because Candace Owens told you to be mad at Israel.
52:16
First of all, pray for that woman.
52:18
There's certain things that come out of her mouth where I'm like,
52:20
Dang, she's on it. And there's other things where
52:22
I'm like, the part of me that said, Dang, you're on it was the
52:26
mind of my man. It was not the mind of the
52:29
spirit. Let's discuss the contradiction
52:32
here. What mind should we be operating
52:35
in in totality? I'm not a good example of this.
52:38
I've told you on my show, don't follow me.
52:41
I failed forward, I fall forward.
52:43
But if there anything good in me at all that you identify, let it
52:48
be known that is from God, that is from the Lord of Lords, the
52:51
King of kings. And he likes using broken
52:54
vessels, yes. So why would he not like using
52:57
Israel or the names and the people that you've never heard
53:01
of who have been tortured and traumatized and and killed and
53:05
raped and pillaged all throughout history?
53:08
None of it goes amiss from God and from His perspective.
53:13
So this is a broad spectrum challenge.
53:15
If you think you have a right to hate a nation or a group of
53:21
people, you are not operating in what the mind of Christ offers
53:26
us. His mind is not our own.
53:30
So for some of you out there, you might want to lick your
53:32
wounds on that. And if you got anything nasty to
53:35
say about me, it just shows the fruit of your tree.
53:40
My tree. I am in the fear of the Lord to
53:43
produce a semi fruit sweet that's good for a taste because
53:47
it's Hard Out Here. I'm not saying I I'm getting
53:49
this right, but my my postulation on this topic will
53:54
not change. And by the grace of God as an
53:57
old man someday and then in the future I hope to be in the same
54:00
position. I hope never to have a seed of
54:02
hate deeply inspired within me because of the manipulations of
54:07
man and cultures and government and news agencies and
54:10
overwhelming messages for me to have a hatred in my heart for
54:13
any group of people. Yeah, I said it.
54:17
Now deal with it. Try and trust.
54:34
Daylight stay bright stay daylight stay bright.
54:43
Daylight you, day you. Day you.
54:51
Day like day right is better with you.
54:54
Day like you, day like you. Day right, stay right is better
55:01
with you, you all. And you, it's better with you,
55:11
You, you. If I showed you the scars, would
55:17
you turn away? If I lowered the wall, would you
55:21
come and stay? If I open my heart, would you
55:24
shine your light? If I let this thing start?
55:28
Hold me through the night. Cancel and brave.
55:30
Come take a ride with me. Let's take a look at all the
55:33
things that life is supposed to be.
55:36
Look me in the eye. I want to see a light.
55:39
Shine. Beauty and passion.
55:41
Just like it's the first time. Oh my baby, I'm a gentleman at
55:45
heart unless you win the service of my enemy or worker.
55:49
Rather dark I speak light words and happy moments, lighting my
55:54
eyes staring back. You're darker from Lord help me
55:57
now you stay. You stay red is better with you.
56:09
Stay red is better with you.