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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E20 'Evaluating and Assessing' August 26, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time, we're honored Athletics, LLC would allow us to
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  present to you the audio version of their weekly Friday Night,
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  YouTube series. Let's get to and see what the
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  crew has in store this week. Athletics.
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  To get out for you just, you know, right.
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  Well, we come joined on the tiles to give you another week
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  of insight, a little debauchery, and some good
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  getting-to-know-you stuff. So let's get the night started.
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  Yes, it's going to happen tonight.
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  I feel it. I feel it.
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  Clyde. How are you tonight, sir?
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  After that intro? I'm not sure, I'm just
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  inquisitive. Where am I taking this right?
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  Governor, how are you tonight? Pretty good.
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  You know, it's that, it's that week, everybody's trying to
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  settle in and get class schedules, figuring out,
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  practice all that stuff. And, you know, every day is just
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  Another day to grind. And, you know, moving towards
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  the first day of practice Exactly.
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  So there's just how are you today sir tonight, sir?
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  I've well, I'm very well. I'm rolling.
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  I'm relaxing. I'm on vacation and just chill a
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  little bit, nice. I mean, it's not like you
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  deserve it or anything so you know, been working a little hard
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  lately, of course, last but not least one bar, not the QB.
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  Sure, you let us know about that.
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  How are you tonight? I don't want anybody convicted
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  Infuse me with the guy that plays for the Ravens.
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  First off, I want to say a shout out to the governor for making
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  the intro song. Finally, congratulations sir, I
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  also want to bring to everyone's attention, the Ridiculousness of
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  my background. If you're not a sneakerhead, you
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  won't get this. But those shoes on the are
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  15,000 dollars, an acre. So yeah, let's get it moving.
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  We got he just hung a we did not.
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  That's loose weight. If you ever see me with those
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  on, I've been cloned and shoot me.
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  Yeah. It's not the real him.
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  It's the zombies. If I was a billionaire, I
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  wouldn't buy those. All right.
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  Well, jumping in and only getting into the middle of the
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  pool. We have a question stemming off
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  of our last week's conversation. Why do we think that?
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  It just means more. It just means more when it comes
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  to the SEC and European Athletics.
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  In regards to track and field and what's going on right now,
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  what do we think about that, that mentality?
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  I mean, why are you laughing? I am, I am laughing at that
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  question, because as an SEC alumni, I reject that entire
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  notion in comparison Absol in comparison to in comparison to
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  European Athletics. I don't think that.
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  That is a, I don't think that that is a comparison.
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  The comparison is not the SEC. Compared to European Athletics,
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  The Graduate question was red. No, no.
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  Apparently comparison is the SEC in comparison to everyone else
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  and European Athletics in comparison to everyone.
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  Yeah. Like okay yeah, sure within the
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  population. So I'll say the idea that the
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  SEC cares more about Collegiate track and Field than other
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  conferences. I don't read.
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  I do not accept that at all. That we have better.
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  I say we meaning again, I'm going to London.
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  I know I'm good. I say we because again, I'm an
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  alumni. The SEC has had the best
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  collection of talent in the NCAA year and to get the talent not
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  because you care more know, how didn't know how to answer the
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  question correctly? Sir, how did they get the talent
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  because They hire the majority of the quote-unquote best
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  coaches in the country aren't that comfortable, and those
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  people were hired by home. People who want to pack that
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  athletic directors. Yeah, sure.
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  Who care more. I categorically reject that sir.
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  I'm sorry we get that went okay. So the proof is in the pudding.
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  So the proof is in the pudding. The proof just because you have
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  more, something doesn't mean that you care more.
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  It was like that's not fair. What do you mean?
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  Of course it is. No no it's not there's not more
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  sir. There is not more passionate.
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  So okay so then told him to steal your thunder.
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  As you're going to say this later, anyway, and there is
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  absolutely is more passion for track and field is using the
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  other conference. Absolutely Simon close.
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  But I mean, comes, you would wake up, would say that and I
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  get that but the proofs in the pudding.
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  But when it comes to football and basketball and baseball, and
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  the others words, the other conferences seem to have the
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  money to pay those coaches, So why can't they track coaches?
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  Because they don't care as much. Okay, so if we want to turn this
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  conversation into a salary based issue, we you brought up money.
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  I didn't I said that I categorically reject.
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  Oh, do you know said and I quote and everybody on this panel and
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  people are going to watch this in the future will hear you say
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  this because just because you have more money, doesn't mean
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  you care more you brought up money.
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  I did that's fine. And if we want to turn, if we
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  want to turn it into, if we want to turn that into To the salary
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  structures. Prove that they care more,
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  that's fine. But I disagree, there is not the
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  I disagree. There is not more passion in the
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  SEC than other conferences by and large.
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  It just isn't there are better athletes and that's fine.
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  That's fine. But there's not better athletes
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  in European Athletics than there are in American Athletics.
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  But we know that Europeans care about the sport.
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  But so does that work? I see, you're trying to combine
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  the two and they're not to be combined.
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  It's a European Athletics for the other aspect is no, it's not
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  reading it that way, but it's not.
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  And I've just explained to you twice now, that's not set up
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  that way. Of course, it wasn't meant to be
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  set up that way. I'll stay.
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  It was another Genesis I know Question is okay in the SEC in
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  comparison to the other conferences which you totally
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  reject? Why does it mean more to the SEC
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  than the other conferences? And then why does, why does it
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  mean more to your Burpee and Athletics?
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  And it does to USA Track and Field and some of the other
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  associations. That's the way, the person that
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  the question is, right? And so I'm starting off and I
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  will say again it just means more is a cute catchphrase that
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  the SEC has coined for advertising.
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  And it's cute and it works and I get it but we're talking about
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  track and field. I categorically reject that SEC
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  just means more in track and field.
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  It doesn't you have better athletes?
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  I get that. I'm an alumni.
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  I'm not hating on the thing that I don't understand.
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  I'm part of it. Okay.
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  Well, sorry, I didn't I didn't that's not my experience as an
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  athlete. It wasn't my experience as a
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  coach. Okay?
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  So my retort to that and again, this isn't my question that
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  somebody asked me to ask the question of Love you guys and I
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  really want to see what Lamar and the governor and and BLC
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  have about 10 say about this. But I think for me the things I
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  just said to you prove that it does mean more because if we're
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  going to talk about the salaries which you brought up, okay, the
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  SEC is willing to pay. If you talk about the coaches
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  who go out and get said talented you talk about mean there seems
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  to be you know a little bit more.
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  Sense of urgency within the track of the world Mia season.
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  At every campus. From top to bottom in the SEC,
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  its horror. It means more to Catholic
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  School. It might mean more in Gatorland,
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  hold on a second. All right, so what, no, I
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  challenge you. Okay, but we got 14 teams
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  obviously this. We had 14, 14, 14, And They
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  Carried a high level, a very high low high.
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  I'm gonna step in here and playing the.
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  I have actually have a very special experience having been
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  in Missouri, when Missouri, joined the SEC.
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  And I can categorically tell you that once we had that meeting
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  with the commissioner and we walked out of that room.
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  And we were told what it meant from Missouri to be an SEC,
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  everything changed, everything changed, standards changed
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  protocol changed like all of a sudden.
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  Now you can't leave the stadium to go out and get something to
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  eat and come back into the football stadium.
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  All of these Rules start changing right, and as a track
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  coach, I can tell you that everything had to change At that
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  point, because as an Alum, you know, this chuck, if you don't,
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  if you are not prepared, if you are not ready, you are going to
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  get embarrassed and it's not just, you know, let's go in
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  there and give it the old freshman try.
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  No, no, you are going to get embarrassed.
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  If you are not lined up and ready to go, and that starts at
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  the top, With support with, you know, all the, you know, the
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  people that contribute to the program, all of that facilities,
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  quality athletes, all of that has to change.
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  And there wasn't a situation where okay, we're just going to
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  be good in football. Are we just going to be good in
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  baseball? We're going to find carve out
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  our niche in the SEC. Know, every single sport had to
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  be better. Right.
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  So I believe that you know, I don't think it's just a track
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  thing. I think a reward in the SEC and
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  every school has a sense of urgency to go out there and put
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  their best teams, get the best coaches have the best resources.
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  I believe. That's top to bottom now.
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  And let me say this before then it's on the clock is going to
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  chime in here just a second but but like there's a standard that
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  we're all challenged to fight for every day.
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  Yeah, I remember, I know you went to the rookie meeting for
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  the coaches, right? And there's always a speaker in
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  a brought in when I went to the meeting, they brought in the guy
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  that we had been the LSU baseball coach forever, you
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  know, and he walked out of the room and like yeah you know like
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  they did you are challenged from day one to be held to be held to
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  a higher standard to hold everybody else you to a higher
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  standard. To not be, you know, the person
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  that basically, you know, to talk about it, no drop the ball,
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  right? So, I mean it's I mean I can't
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  see that in my visits to other conferences.
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  I've been in the ACC I've been, I mean, currently in the current
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  Conference USA and Big 12, it's not the same, it's not the same.
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  And there isn't, there isn't any way to compare and I've never
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  been in the Pac-12. So I don't know what the
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  mandate. Are or what the expectations
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  are. But my, my thought process is,
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  is that it starts at the top. So the standard has to be set at
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  the top. And then everybody else has to
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  figure out how they're going to raise their standard.
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  I mean, there's no if ands or buts about it.
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  And, in my opinion, everybody in the SEC.
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  I mean, they're trying now, do they have access to the
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  resources, and all of that stuff?
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  That other schools have no. But I feel like the idea is that
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  you have to put the best possible product on the track
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  every single year. And I think the turnover that
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  we're seeing in the SEC is greater than we see in other
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  conferences. There is pressure, right?
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  Look at what happened with the hiring of the SEC track coaches
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  this year, right? I mean, what it is, what it is.
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  I don't think there's any question.
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  Not the kyuubi. I was about to pop put harsh
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  wall. I thought what I want to know
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  what you're eating, idiot, whatever it is, you're really
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  enjoying cashews and they are spectacular.
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  Yes, you are a cashew guy. So yeah, I should have known the
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  classroom. That's why I'm using myself.
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  I don't want them. I was going to pop some popcorn
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  because I thought for sure Clyde was going to go so I thought I
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  had like 20 minutes for sure but I actually am going.
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  To defer the SEC, the Collegiate portion of this because what I
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  find more interesting is the other other half for the
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  conversion of the question. I I've always known this.
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  I'm not going to go go around the block as you say, but I do
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  want to bring this up. There was a moment last week
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  where a young man got caught up to me up to the majors, and the
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  video of him FaceTiming. His mom went viral, and I texted
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  with the governor and I said, this is awesome.
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  And he said, he agreed. And I said, but the unfortunate
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  part This will never have this moment and track because you
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  don't go pro and more and more than likely.
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  What is more likely to happen is, you are calling home,
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  scared, out of your mind because you're in a foreign country for
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  the first time. Nobody there speaks English and
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  you're not sure what to do. That's your I made it to the
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  pros moment and track and so given that landscape.
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  Tape. I don't think that there's any
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  conversation as to, whether track and field means more in
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  Europe, and to Europe than it does in the United States or
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  anywhere else. But more more, I want to focus
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  on the part of the question. As to why And I think the, why
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  is a very simple one? They don't have American
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  football and because they don't have American football.
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  The basis of every other sport, which they enjoy his track and
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  field. So like every world-class soccer
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  player they have over there, every Cricket guy or girl like
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  all except for swimming, pretty much everything.
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  That they love in Europe, starts with track and field kids at
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  four, five, six seven, eight years old, basically training
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  like decathletes like the first time I ever saw three foot tall
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  cones with holes in them was in Europe and I was like what in
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  God's name are these for? And the next day they had a
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  little kid race of hurdles and they punched holes at different
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  hurdle. Heights for the little stick to
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  go in and that's how they read like the kids.
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  A hurtling at like 5. And I was like, it never in the
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  United States no chance. And that's kind of one of those
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  things that, in my opinion, the reason it means more in Europe
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  and the European Athletics in particular is that's where they
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  start. Right.
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  Like, you know, we all know that the basis of every sport that we
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  love in the United States is track your field, but it doesn't
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  get that respect because of football.
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  I mean, their words, I saw a thing.
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  There was like, six point nine million people watch the
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  preseason football game. We're literally nobody cares
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  about the score. So like I just tells you where
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  we're at, so like, no other sport is ever going to get the
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  credit that is due in the u.s. because football literally is
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  And twenty billion pound elephant in the room.
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  But all the strength and conditioning for, for all of
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  football comes from track and field.
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  All the trains conditioning from every other sport comes from
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  track and field and the basis of almost everything that we do in
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  sports in the u.s. comes from track but it's just never
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  treated with that kind of respect and it's more along.
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  The lines of one of the funnier t-shirts that says like my sport
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  is your sports punishment. And that's pretty much how we
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  get scene like in track that like track is where they make
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  you go to punish you and other sports.
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  Like you got to go run. I don't, I don't think you're
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  wrong about any of that it I guess I guess the football piece
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  from an American point of view and popularity, that's obviously
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  true. But soccer in Europe is bigger
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  than football is in America. So they don't have American
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  football, but they don't care for American football, they care
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  about soccer. That's the number one thing.
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  And so, I mean I'm not European. I didn't grow up there, I would
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  imagine that little girl. One thing really quick, good,
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  that is a, that's a misnomer. Soccer is bigger as a fan base.
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  Participant sport than football is when not byways of
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  televisions, it's not even close.
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  There are way more people that watch American football than
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  there are that watch soccer in Europe, not globally in Europe.
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  Okay. I mean II.
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  Okay, I'll accept that because I don't have any data on that.
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  I'll just accept it. All I'm saying is like,
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  everybody, the world all understands that soccer is the
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  number one sport globally and most definitely in Europe,
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  right? So like I said, I'm not
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  disagreeing with anything that you said it just kind of threw
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  me off that the comparative nature of what you were saying
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  was through the lens of American football when Europeans don't
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  care about American football. Like we can But what wasn't what
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  they thought, I think that what he was that's I'm mistaken.
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  He was speaking to the fact that because of the popularity here
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  of American football trackers outshine because I would you
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  trying to say Lamar Jose yeah then there's no doubting.
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  That is most definitely out sign but soccer outshines.
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  All things on that side. Does it not?
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  Well see my retort to. That would be like I struggle To
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  find any athletic event that I've ever been to in Europe,
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  that's not well attended. Sure, he's so so I think it
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  means more because they all need something to the Europeans, like
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  there is no quote-unquote hierarchy, right?
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  Like they support all of their Sports and, you know, I've know,
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  I've been, you know, around a rugby situation, know you've
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  been around me, know you've been over there and they have the
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  bicycle races and all that stuff, right?
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  And they're just thousands and thousand people to show up for
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  this stuff. You turn on the TV and they're
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  swimming or in Europe, or there's basketball in Europe,
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  and little small obscure places in the state of your pack.
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  So, I think that it just think it's a European culture for me,
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  that that they just seem to attend and flocks to every
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  athletic event that they have available.
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  Well and that's the Sakura side. Yeah I thought that was kind of
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  where I will ultimately wanted to go with that particular issue
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  and ultimately where my point of view comes from from the first
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  half of it, right? It's a cultural thing.
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  Europeans by and large. In my opinion are have a better
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  sport culture period than we do here.
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  We are very specific. There's not a lot of crossover.
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  If you're an NFL person, then you're an NFL person and you
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  might be, you know, so passionate that you won't paint
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  your face and stand naked in freezing weather.
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  But those people don't usually care too much about baseball or
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  basketball or hockey, right? It's a very specific thing.
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  And so, Bomb the governor alluded to in his in his
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  original thing. Like you brought up you started
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  to delve in other sports and that's why my head was about to
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  explode, because now we're going to say that the SEC basketball,
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  it just means more than ACC basketball or Big Ten
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  basketball. There's no evidence for that.
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  And everybody's paid in basketball.
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  Like, do you really believe that?
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  And it's just not trying to, and I knew you were gonna go there.
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  Like, you do. You've always, you're going to
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  go there. When it comes to the SEC, the
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  advertising campaign, and ESPN, and all that brilliant, and they
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  are brilliant, but that has nothing to do with this
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  question. Has nothing to do with the facts
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  that are put out there. That if you look at it, across
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  the board, if you delve into some of that they did, you say,
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  it does seem to mean more in the SEC from the 80s to the So she
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  ladies to the coaches to the athletes and everybody else
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  involved with it. Track and field seems to me more
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  to that crowd than it does to the other conferences because of
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  the stuff resources that are giving to the SEC track and
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  field Community to be at a high level.
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  That's why it seems to me, nah, can't be a ring on going to all
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  that football basketball stuff because ESPN is not the reason
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  why we have great practice field before I didn't mean it looks.
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  Okay, let's not disregard. Okay, passion for the event,
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  right? Like student athletes that come
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  through the ranks from, you know, High School.
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  A you, you know, usatf all of that parents are there.
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  You know, you're looking at all this swell of attention, you
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  know, for these track meets and then they get to college and
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  immediately We lead separate themselves from everybody else,
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  right? And I'm trying to understand
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  where you're where you're coming from you know, because let's get
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  it. Let's not get let's not get it
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  twisted at the D3 level at the D2 level.
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  There is passion for tracks. Exactly what I'm saying.
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  Absolutely. I'm actually one person and I'm
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  not going to disregard that at all, right?
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  But from the standpoint, Of a D2 coach.
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  Knowing his limits on a d&ad to level telling a coach.
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  Hey, you got to figure it out, you got to figure out how you're
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  gonna, you know, fundraise for your team this year.
• 25:20
  You got to go out and, you know, find some way to purchase Shoes
• 25:23
  for your squad or whatever. Right.
• 25:27
  That is that's intrinsic that that coach is motivated
• 25:31
  intrinsically to go out there and provide what he can write
• 25:37
  recruiting. Why's he knows he's limited,
• 25:39
  right? He knows it at the D3 level.
• 25:41
  I mean, literally, your fucking kids off of campus and you're
• 25:45
  trying to, hey, you want to, you want to come out and run, you
• 25:47
  know, here's here's some spikes, you know?
• 25:49
  Like that's that's okay. That is love for the event,
• 25:54
  okay? But I feel like There are two
• 25:58
  categories when it comes to an a head coach walking into his 80s
• 26:03
  office and says, hey, I need a new track.
• 26:07
  Next year and the ad goes, okay, done.
• 26:11
  Right? I need a new indoor facility.
• 26:13
  Okay, done. Right.
• 26:17
  The idea is that the Ada is not sitting there going well, how am
• 26:21
  I going to spend these billions pockets of burning, know that ad
• 26:26
  wants that track team to be the best track team.
• 26:31
  I mean, correct me if I'm wrong and I started to say and what
• 26:38
  you're alluding to was that they've dumped money into
• 26:41
  basketball. They're dumping money.
• 26:43
  I mean, how much money I have. We seen as CC dumping the
• 26:46
  football, just it's insane, right?
• 26:50
  But every single year the SEC is represented at the highest
• 26:54
  level. So that's that is that is what
• 26:57
  I'm getting at. I mean, it means more Because
• 27:01
  they're willing to die to invest more into the sport.
• 27:07
  That's and that's and that's what I was making reference to,
• 27:12
  it really just depends on perspective that you come to.
• 27:14
  The question is yes, if you hear that question and you see it
• 27:20
  through that lens, I understand why somebody would make that
• 27:24
  argument. Hmm, I'll take it a step
• 27:26
  further. If you want to say that the
• 27:28
  sport culture of the SEC mentality Is one thing versus
• 27:36
  everyone else? I might even go there with you
• 27:38
  because they certainly believe that about themselves right, but
• 27:42
  you're never going to convince me as someone who's worked at D1
• 27:45
  D2, big school. Small school P5.
• 27:48
  You're not going to convince me at all that it that that the two
• 27:54
  championships that University of Florida athletes won.
• 27:57
  This year, means more to those kids than the two championships.
• 28:02
  My kids one at the bishop True. The third question is, why does
• 28:06
  it mean more in the SEC? And I say that it does not not
• 28:10
  that any of to the SEC, it doesn't mean more to the SEC
• 28:16
  championships championships that you run it from Lord, okay.
• 28:19
  Do not even aboard secure campus, then not talking chips,
• 28:23
  23 to those can about see, I'm going to be done with this
• 28:28
  because you're taking it somewhere doesn't need to go,
• 28:30
  but it's not about, it's not about what championships mean
• 28:33
  more to who Ooh, because if you playing tiddlywinks and your the
• 28:36
  national champion and I'm enrolling at the Championships
• 28:39
  mean the same, but we're talking about the fact that the SEC
• 28:45
  athletic directors, pour more into the SEC SEC track programs
• 28:51
  than the other conferences do. There is no doubt about that.
• 28:55
  Yeah, it's a first wife and think they have the money to do
• 28:57
  it. Okay.
• 28:58
  So that's sort of the Big 12, some of the Big Ten, you know,
• 29:01
  the Big Ten with their brand-new hundred Our contracts, right?
• 29:05
  So they got money, right? So it can't just be the SEC has
• 29:09
  the money, because we'd it's not about having all the money.
• 29:11
  So, so, wait a minute, let's see.
• 29:12
  There's any sort of amount of money, improving their
• 29:16
  facilities and dump him at home. Okay.
• 29:19
  No more. What Michigan became Michigan to
• 29:22
  improve the facilities. But we're talking about the
• 29:23
  conference as a whole, right? She look at the conference's as
• 29:27
  a whole. I can almost guarantee you that
• 29:31
  the salaries are. You could combine all of the The
• 29:34
  salaries of all the track coaches in the big, the SEC.
• 29:37
  There's not another conference that spends the same amount of
• 29:39
  money or even close top to bottom.
• 29:42
  Nope. And as I said, if it's defined
• 29:44
  by money, we all know that is that the money that's put into
• 29:50
  it, because it means more because me more, it's not about
• 29:54
  who has the most money. It's about what they're spending
• 29:57
  on. But what is it?
• 29:58
  What is it? Really disagree?
• 30:01
  So, I have because because they all have.
• 30:03
  Okay. So here, so here, so here's a,
• 30:04
  here's a nuanced money point of view for that.
• 30:09
  If you take and I don't know, someone smarter than me can run
• 30:13
  the numbers. Take what the SEC football
• 30:19
  salaries are juxtaposed them with the track and field
• 30:23
  salaries and then do the same for all the P5 conferences.
• 30:26
  I bet you the distinction is about eating No, I don't think
• 30:32
  so. No.
• 30:34
  No, I can tell you did. You understand what I'm saying?
• 30:44
  Yes. Of the Big Ten football coaches
• 31:02
  salaries than the SEC track and field coach has do of the SEC
• 31:06
  football coaches who watch smaller.
• 31:08
  I doubt that, that is true in the Big 12 or the Pac-12.
• 31:12
  Oh my God. The ACC.
• 31:14
  But again we're just spitballing here because we're just
• 31:18
  spitballing. So this is right now just a
• 31:21
  matter of literal, personal evaluation opinion.
• 31:24
  If there's numbers on that let's run them all I'm saying is the
• 31:29
  you guys hear the Second one way and I hear it a different way.
• 31:32
  When people like to say that it just means more.
• 31:36
  When I first heard that campaign, I said oh, that's
• 31:39
  brilliant untrue. But brilliant and it's only way
• 31:42
  it's true. Who defines whether it is true
• 31:49
  or not. You're just one man with you
• 31:52
  just you just moment. One man will want to take so are
• 31:55
  you? Because it because it is
• 31:56
  happening, but it's so it clearly could mean more just
• 32:00
  doesn't think you just make wants to buy that.
• 32:01
  Hold on, hold on a second because you exactly you can't be
• 32:04
  Quantified. But because you think it's a
• 32:06
  slogan because you think it's because I because you think it's
• 32:11
  some kind of a campaign. It was because the bottom line
• 32:14
  is this, right? If you look at it, again, from a
• 32:19
  point of Passion for the sport, right?
• 32:23
  For the sport of track and field, right?
• 32:26
  The passion that runs through the SEC from the athletic
• 32:30
  directors down to the athletes is greater than Disney other
• 32:33
  conferences. And there's no arguing that.
• 32:36
  I mean great when probably one of the best examples of this, do
• 32:40
  you, do you remember a couple of years ago when the state of
• 32:44
  Louisiana was broke? Like they literally were trying
• 32:49
  to figure out how they were going to pay their bills and one
• 32:53
  of the first things that popped up with, oh my gosh, what's
• 32:57
  going to happen at LSU? And the answer was nothing.
• 33:02
  Nothing changed. Okay.
• 33:05
  Nothing changed. And and furthermore, like the,
• 33:10
  the first thing is popping into my mind is like, okay, well,
• 33:13
  what's going to happen with track, what's going to happen
• 33:15
  with the sports that don't make money and all of that nothing
• 33:19
  happened. The the support was the same
• 33:22
  everything, nothing changed and I think that's in it at the base
• 33:26
  of the question. I think that the support and all
• 33:29
  that Stuff. And don't get me wrong Clyde.
• 33:31
  I understand where you're coming from because I know how your
• 33:33
  mind works, right? And I knew this with us this
• 33:35
  discussion was going to turn to. But when we're talking about
• 33:40
  basically, why does it mean more to the SEC and he has to the
• 33:46
  other conferences? And I don't think anybody can
• 33:50
  answer exactly why it seems to mean more, but clearly seems to
• 33:54
  me more. I don't know why every theory on
• 33:58
  that, okay? My theory is, is this and I
• 34:03
  think I have this perspective because I've seen this play out
• 34:05
  someplace else. There are very few professional
• 34:11
  sports team distractions in SEC country.
• 34:16
  Mmm, right? Like the most passion of any fan
• 34:19
  base, I've ever seen in my entire life and I've seen quite
• 34:22
  a few is Boise State football. Come on a football game.
• 34:27
  They, if you go to a grocery store, that's all way across
• 34:30
  town, everybody in the grocery store that works, there is going
• 34:33
  to have either blue or orange or white on with the Boise State
• 34:37
  Broncos, go on and you're like, you go in the game like, no, but
• 34:40
  it's game day and so like and, In places like Gainesville,
• 34:50
  Florida and places like Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and places
• 34:54
  like like Fayetteville Arkansas, right?
• 34:57
  Like This the pro sports team is the college.
• 35:04
  Right. And so I think that to some
• 35:07
  degree is why it quote, unquote means more, is because like
• 35:13
  Little kids like playing around the background grow up wanting
• 35:17
  to be whatever Gator. Great came from their era,
• 35:21
  right? Not necessarily, you know, Joe
• 35:25
  Montana. If that makes any sense.
• 35:28
  Like that's my own Theory to it because I joke about this, all
• 35:33
  the time, right? Like the, the the football
• 35:38
  realignment is all based on televisions, but the least
• 35:43
  number of televisions in any conferences in the SEC.
• 35:48
  And I've always found that fascinating and hilarious, but
• 35:52
  it's because every single television in SEC country
• 35:58
  watches every single SEC football game.
• 36:04
  Yep sure we're in l.a. there's no more going on.
• 36:08
  Yes that was my point but I want to turn this back to back to the
• 36:12
  whole the told track and field discussion.
• 36:16
  Right? Because if you're talking about,
• 36:18
  if I'm just going to use this analogy Every almost every time
• 36:25
  a school from another conference, the size they want
• 36:29
  to be a national Contender. The first thing out of their
• 36:33
  mouth is we need to be in SEC like team.
• 36:38
  That's always what they say. Because we're the standard And
• 36:42
  what do you what do you? Imagine that means Just what it
• 36:46
  says. They want to be an SEC like tea
• 36:48
  but sir, the way you win your national championships is vastly
• 36:50
  different than the way Arkansas would attack it.
• 36:53
  It's different than the way LSU attacks, it's different than the
• 36:55
  way George would still all SEC teams, right?
• 36:59
  But there's no one model that means anything.
• 37:02
  So that's what it's just, it's just the thing that people say,
• 37:04
  it doesn't mean. No, no, no, it does mean
• 37:07
  something because that means that you are powerful enough to
• 37:11
  challenge for the championship. Absolutely mean something
• 37:14
  whether your Arkansas or LSU or am or Florida?
• 37:20
  Georgia. Okay we got that.
• 37:22
  We all had different models that were all challenging, okay?
• 37:25
  Because and that's the key, you have to be an SEC like team to
• 37:30
  challenge for the title. That's, that's their thought is
• 37:34
  So there's there's no, so there's no, there's no saying
• 37:36
  that we're all the same model. But I don't think everybody just
• 37:40
  says, I just want to say that to be so it sounds cute.
• 37:42
  That was. That's what you think.
• 37:44
  I just I just think I just I've heard that rarely and all the
• 37:48
  few times. I've heard that out of
• 37:50
  somebody's mouth, I literally asked him.
• 37:51
  What does that mean? Because in recent history,
• 37:56
  organs won a lot of championships.
• 37:58
  So are they in SEC model or y'all in Oregon model?
• 38:02
  Like what does that even mean? When you left for twins, are
• 38:05
  they at USC model? Like, I don't know what the
• 38:08
  okay. But let's see what see you
• 38:10
  taking again out of context when I just said, right?
• 38:13
  The bottom line is that when it comes to color Collegiate track
• 38:17
  and field, the SEC is the model. Right from top to bottom.
• 38:22
  But from top to bottom, I mean, from the structure, from the
• 38:26
  money, you coach. The until in this is stuff that
• 38:28
  comes out of coaches mouth. I want to make SEC like money.
• 38:33
  You think that's just a that's just a term to that's just
• 38:35
  something that throwing out there.
• 38:37
  No, of course you didn't financially, that's not the
• 38:41
  conversation. I'm having.
• 38:44
  So I have I have input. So having been now in a P5
• 38:50
  School He had a mid-major being at a D2 and D3 in high school.
• 38:54
  There's always the comments. We're not the SEC.
• 38:58
  So it's the standard, it's a procedure, it's the protocol,
• 39:01
  it's the execution. So, the notion of this Grandeur
• 39:05
  thing just in the office, the other day, I made reference to
• 39:08
  serve Lucius in the things that he's doing in regards to making
• 39:12
  sure that he wins what he's going to win.
• 39:15
  That's not sets. Achieves the goals that he sets
• 39:17
  his team to staff and himself, right?
• 39:20
  Right? And the comment back to me was
• 39:24
  but he did it. He has his way of doing it
• 39:28
  because he set this forward and I said, no, sir lucious is set a
• 39:32
  tide in the direction that he wanted in, because that's his
• 39:36
  procedure protocol and standard, right?
• 39:39
  So, the FCC has done that coming from the looking from the bottom
• 39:43
  looking up, it's often said, we don't have sec money, we don't
• 39:48
  have sec moves, we don't have sec power to do that in our
• 39:52
  conferences. And so when I say that, I mean,
• 39:56
  Well, why would you? Like why would our conference
• 40:02
  meets be so Grand right? We're not the SEC.
• 40:06
  We just need tenths some coolers and a Timing System.
• 40:11
  I'm being exaggerated but it cannot affect you.
• 40:30
  That standard is what we Roll by and be like everyone.
• 40:35
  Was that proud? Like having been on this D3
• 40:38
  Squad and, and they roll. I kid you not, you know, it
• 40:42
  wasn't Scarlett, gray and black, you would have thought we were
• 40:45
  blue and orange and I'm sorry if there's specific Brewer oranges.
• 40:48
  But like, that's how they rolled and that's how we rolled the
• 40:52
  conference and you couldn't tell us differently.
• 40:55
  And so it, it Like with reference, the passion, the
• 40:59
  standard, and the execution that quote unquote, it just means
• 41:03
  more because there's Pride into it.
• 41:05
  So I think that if SEC is here, Big 12, Big 10 PAC, 12.
• 41:11
  Whoever this is, is that Rising, right?
• 41:13
  We rise the floor, not raise a feeling.
• 41:18
  What's that thing, what? I'm trying to say, if we do
• 41:20
  that, then the quote unquote on lower the ceiling?
• 41:23
  Yes, there you go. Then the quote unquote, It just
• 41:27
  means more, not necessarily goes way because it could be
• 41:29
  interpreted as what they put forth.
• 41:31
  But it doesn't have the heart Feeling Anymore.
• 41:37
  Jesse. And again quite I think so,
• 41:39
  you're referencing that that slogan, it just means more, the
• 41:43
  question was, why does it mean seemed to me more?
• 41:49
  I guess is why does it mean more to the SEC and these, okay?
• 41:52
  So the then the short smartass answer is because they Woman
• 41:57
  because that's still categorically disagree.
• 42:01
  That it does mean more there. It doesn't, you spend okay?
• 42:05
  It will means what escapes. Okay, first of all, that's
• 42:08
  categorically BS. Okay.
• 42:10
  Sir, you kill, you built me about that damn football
• 42:16
  building because I'm not a football coach.
• 42:17
  Don't do it. I will tell you that if and the
• 42:34
  governor can speak to this. If if the other conferences are
• 42:40
  as passionate about this as we are, then there's something
• 42:44
  wrong. There is because you can, you
• 42:47
  can go pluck, a school here and there from the other conferences
• 42:51
  that are successful for periods of time.
• 42:56
  But from from a longevity, standpoint is always been this
• 43:00
  week. So, clearly it means more than
• 43:02
  this leak. Clearly, there's something about
• 43:05
  this league where that it means more to the rest of them to us
• 43:08
  than the rest of the country. Because if we didn't, we
• 43:11
  wouldn't be as dominant as we are on a consistent basis.
• 43:16
  Right, I mean I think it's time for us to move on but I want to
• 43:20
  stick this in there and I think the governor will will like this
• 43:23
  and agree with this. What I find, what I have always
• 43:26
  found. Interesting.
• 43:26
  And it's based on my age is that there was never a conversation
• 43:31
  as to what Conference Track and Field meant the most to it was
• 43:35
  the Southwest Conference. And like literally there was no
• 43:37
  conversation and I don't think it was ever really about who
• 43:41
  spent the most money or any of those things but like the
• 43:45
  Southwest Contract was always the standard and then when the
• 43:49
  Southwest Conference broke up, I think because most of like
• 43:54
  something like a big part of the Heavy Hitters from the Southwest
• 43:57
  Conference went to the SEC and then football, the football
• 44:00
  television piece exploded, like it became that, right?
• 44:04
  And the SEC chooses, to spend more of its money in sports,
• 44:08
  then in more Sports than the Big Ten because the Big Ten has more
• 44:11
  money and they spend the same amount of football in less than
• 44:15
  most others. As they spend more in
• 44:16
  basketball, the same amount of football and less than just
• 44:18
  about everything. Yeah.
• 44:21
  But I do find it interesting and definitely definitely BLC like
• 44:25
  let's move to the next topic but I do find it very interesting
• 44:30
  that not that long ago. I know I'm old but when the
• 44:33
  Southwest Conference was the thing, there's no there was no
• 44:36
  question which one's the best track conference in the, in the
• 44:39
  ethos. Hmm.
• 44:42
  And I don't know. Okay, big lake Big League.
• 44:52
  See see Clyde you can't get mad because you have brought out the
• 44:57
  petty in him. Hmm.
• 45:17
  He has built the number one program in the country.
• 45:24
  It took a lot of work and a lot of vision to get it done.
• 45:27
  If God forbid, he decided tomorrow to check out and go
• 45:31
  somewhere else. I don't think his passion would
• 45:34
  be less. I don't think his vision would
• 45:36
  change. I don't think the model would
• 45:37
  change. He going to build what he going
• 45:39
  to bill because that's who the man is.
• 45:41
  That's not a Florida thing. That's a Henry.
• 45:46
  So the idea that Florida provides him pretty, damn good
• 45:51
  resources to help pull it off. Doesn't get Gator culture, more
• 45:56
  Kudos from me? That's him.
• 45:59
  That's for you graduation and that passion exists in a lot of
• 46:05
  other places outside of the southeast a lot.
• 46:10
  And I just tea, I totally agree with you about that.
• 46:14
  But the think the point I was trying to make to you, is
• 46:17
  there's more of that this conference than the others
• 46:21
  that's all agreed VLC nickel. Okay.
• 46:25
  As you are. Absolutely, right.
• 46:26
  There's a lot of very, very passionate go to them. all
• 46:31
  right, so I told you there was going to be some, some stuff and
• 46:38
  I said, I were in the middle of the pool, when I'm in the deep
• 46:40
  end, yet at European championships, they seated the
• 46:45
  top 12, Right to the semi and then they had the other 12 spots
• 46:51
  raced for they had to race for the next 12, right?
• 46:56
  What are your thoughts at the tiles?
• 46:58
  What are your thoughts on that procedure that method and do we
• 47:02
  think this could work in the US? That was an aggressive Hitler so
• 47:10
  you have to go? No.
• 47:18
  Okay. I don't really care if it would
• 47:21
  work. No.
• 47:24
  No, the European the Europeans do that, for whatever reasons
• 47:30
  they do that, I can only imagine that they do it to help
• 47:36
  guarantee that the top people coming in.
• 47:39
  Are the top people in the final Mass.
• 47:42
  Would make sense to me, if I'm thinking, why would they do
• 47:45
  that? That is not what we do here.
• 47:47
  We are not about trying to make sure that the people ranked I
• 47:51
  coming in find their way into the Final know, our model is you
• 47:55
  line your ass up and you race your way to the final.
• 47:59
  We're not about making it easier for the top seeds.
• 48:02
  That's not what we do. It's not our model, it's why?
• 48:05
  Our child? Who question, sir?
• 48:08
  I'm not watching. Yes.
• 48:10
  Okay. So it is very clear that you
• 48:12
  don't believe it, but the question is, could it work?
• 48:17
  Or would it work? We're, that's why I'm saying
• 48:20
  work to what end? So so what Whatever it like, I
• 48:24
  want to win it, this is here. The question is not whether you
• 48:27
  believe in the system, like could what they do their work
• 48:32
  here like you could could, we could, we could we have a system
• 48:36
  and the answer, obviously, you guys, they could be done, right?
• 48:40
  So if it could be done, but without me, just go on and say,
• 48:43
  okay, I don't believe in it, it's not what we do.
• 48:45
  Okay, we can get that right? So what would be the benefit
• 48:51
  Clyde? Governor if we did, do it that
• 48:55
  way, none the real benefit. So I'll I'll chime in here and
• 49:00
  this, this is where I think you're at a cross section
• 49:06
  between pure unadulterated sport.
• 49:12
  And professional sport. Now, what do we see in tennis,
• 49:19
  what do we see in the NFL playoffs?
• 49:23
  What do we see in basketball? I mean we hear this word
• 49:28
  bye-bye. You've earned the spot.
• 49:32
  You've earned a by, right? You're going to let those Wild
• 49:36
  Card teams. Go ahead, battle it out for the
• 49:39
  right to face you, but the bottom line is this For
• 49:46
  viewership for the people that are watching the truly love, you
• 49:51
  know, or are supporting the the top athletes.
• 49:57
  Again, we're going to we're going to move into this now.
• 49:59
  So ingebrigtsen has to be in that final, okay?
• 50:07
  They I feel like that is more of a shift towards making sure.
• 50:14
  That the viewing public see the best that European Athletics has
• 50:18
  has to offer. And for us, and for the majority
• 50:24
  of people on this side of the water, that that idea is still
• 50:29
  very foreign to the folks on this side of the water.
• 50:33
  It's not, it's not part of our DNA.
• 50:36
  It's not something that, you know, we're thinking about in
• 50:39
  terms of, how do you increase viewership?
• 50:43
  How do you make things more exciting?
• 50:45
  I mean, They're tinkering with stuff every single year.
• 50:50
  They're tinkering with qualifications are tinkering
• 50:54
  with. Okay, do we see this and all of
• 50:56
  that and the whole point the whole idea is how can we put
• 51:02
  more people or get more people to see the best that we have to
• 51:07
  offer, right? So that's that's the part for me
• 51:10
  that, you know, could it work over here?
• 51:14
  Absolutely. Absolutely now.
• 51:18
  But everybody would have to be on board with it and everybody
• 51:21
  find work. This stand.
• 51:22
  This this is a model that's designed to make sure that Fred
• 51:27
  Carly doesn't get hurt in in the, in the first round right?
• 51:33
  And doesn't show up, you know, and isn't there at least for the
• 51:36
  same, right? Like this.
• 51:38
  These are mechanisms, you know like you cannot have an NFL
• 51:44
  season without Tom. Eddie you cannot have a WTA
• 51:49
  event without Serena, right? Like these are things that, you
• 51:54
  know, when you shift from Pure sport to professional sport.
• 52:00
  Now, you now you have to make decisions like this.
• 52:03
  That's just my opinion. See, and that's something that
• 52:06
  the Lamar has been talking about forever, the perfect, the true
• 52:11
  professionalism of track and field.
• 52:14
  Yeah, right. And so when I mean and get get
• 52:19
  don't get me wrong, you know, I'm the line up and get it done.
• 52:21
  Got no issue with that at all. When I am for me, whatever
• 52:24
  parameters you put before me, I'm going to go and I'm going to
• 52:26
  tap. But if we're talking about the
• 52:30
  things that the governor is talking about, absolutely, it's
• 52:34
  a good idea, it's a great idea. If we can save people, people
• 52:37
  couple of races out of freight Curtis legs.
• 52:40
  It's a great idea. If it now allows people to
• 52:42
  double easier and not just the one that too, but other things
• 52:45
  It's a great idea from the television standpoint because I
• 52:49
  don't think anybody I should say anybody but very few people are
• 52:53
  tuning in for that first round anyway.
• 52:56
  But the everybody's hot for this Mo.
• 52:58
  Yeah. Right.
• 53:00
  And so, as long as you're not giving this great advantage to
• 53:03
  anybody that and obviously, it's probably a little bit tougher
• 53:05
  here in some events because of the depth of the events that we
• 53:08
  have. But absolutely, it would work.
• 53:11
  And absolutely, you did also did now there's a strategy of.
• 53:14
  Okay, I need to make sure that I Run well enough so I don't have
• 53:17
  to run run. No.
• 53:19
  And there's also people that don't mind running and running
• 53:21
  around because I've I don't want to, I don't care from the top
• 53:23
  but we're not because I can handle it by based on my
• 53:26
  training. So I think that from an overall
• 53:29
  standpoint, it absolutely could work here if we wanted it but
• 53:33
  some people feel the way Clyde does that prove?
• 53:36
  I'm still asking the question work to what end?
• 53:41
  What would what do you mean? What is are we going to get more
• 53:44
  eyeballs on? If we do, this, are the athletes
• 53:47
  going to make more money. If we do this work to what end?
• 53:52
  Obviously, if we can make Fred Curly's life, a little easier if
• 53:54
  he doesn't have to run the next round but there's other
• 53:58
  athletes. Yeah.
• 53:59
  Well that way that's the best the end that I think the
• 54:01
  governor spoke to it's just you know ensuring that the better
• 54:04
  athletes have a little less than their life.
• 54:07
  Yes, I mean Uncle. So let's let's let's put it in
• 54:11
  into context. The semi is in the finals are on
• 54:14
  the same night Within In 90 minutes of each other right now,
• 54:19
  Fred Curly runs a day before gets injured, right?
• 54:24
  That is a loss from the standpoint of viewership.
• 54:30
  That is a loss from the standpoint standpoint of
• 54:34
  professional sport. The the the case face of USA
• 54:40
  sprinting right now. Is not in the semis because he
• 54:44
  got injured, but wait a minute. I understand.
• 54:48
  I'm not thinking that I suppose I'm behind it.
• 54:52
  I'm telling you that, this is something.
• 54:55
  This is a just explaining why they do it.
• 54:58
  This is what I would do. So I'm asking, I understand it
• 55:02
  in theory, but I'm active, I'm asking a more reality-based
• 55:08
  question. Frank Hurley got hurt early in
• 55:11
  the 200-meter, is that our trials this year, okay?
• 55:14
  Is there any evidence that less people watch the final?
• 55:16
  Because he wasn't in it. I don't think there is See that.
• 55:21
  That's okay. Now the next bit is it will be
• 55:25
  real. Well I'm sure that they're
• 55:27
  there's definitely evidence that I would say they're less people
• 55:30
  to watch because the people in the freight curly Camp did watch
• 55:32
  it. That's least one or two people,
• 55:34
  write it right for being on the credit side of it, right?
• 55:37
  Okay. But then but then the Mi crew W,
• 55:41
  you know what I mean? Like I will also I will also,
• 55:45
  you know, track and feel is probably the most sport that is
• 55:49
  the most Most guilty of not pushing or or stars to the fore
• 55:57
  and I mean Beyond just the the average track fan, right?
• 56:02
  Absolutely. And and we have one example that
• 56:06
  we can look at from, you know, a decade ago, you know, the Usain
• 56:10
  Bolt that did exactly that. And I can guarantee you if
• 56:15
  they're, you know, if there was a situation where they could
• 56:19
  have changed, Things to allow him to be there for the Siamese.
• 56:23
  I you can bet your bottom because we've seen it, we've
• 56:27
  seen empty Stadium V, running full Stadium, right?
• 56:32
  So that that we know that that model is there.
• 56:36
  We know that we know that the opportunity is there, right?
• 56:40
  But it also requires a lot of leg work and a lot of putting
• 56:47
  people on pedestals, and a lot of, you know, like How many
• 56:51
  people truly understand how good student?
• 56:55
  There's the issue right there. Yes.
• 56:56
  It's so how do you determine who this world are?
• 56:59
  So it's easier for a European Athletics to determine their 12
• 57:03
  courses. Usatf determining their 12.
• 57:05
  There's you, there's you issue? I think.
• 57:06
  Yeah, right. And so I totally agree that.
• 57:09
  That's, that is probably the really main reason why I would
• 57:12
  get bad idea is because our 12 in certain events, is much
• 57:17
  tougher than it will be much tougher.
• 57:20
  From that standpoint. It's a problem.
• 57:23
  Yeah. But if you can determine the 12,
• 57:26
  it's not a bad thing, you know, because because again, it's a
• 57:31
  Nama I'm not even about, you know, showing people get to
• 57:35
  watch it on TV, right? I don't know where it's ever a
• 57:38
  bad thing that you can earn the right to get a little extra rest
• 57:41
  because of what you did during the regular season.
• 57:45
  Because as the governor said, we do another sport.
• 57:47
  Yes, we do. But it could work here.
• 57:50
  It'd just be a whole lot tougher because finding 12 the top 12 in
• 57:54
  the hundreds of the 200 because there's always going to be that
• 57:57
  clump of guys right there between 9 and 15.
• 57:59
  Right. Exactly.
• 58:01
  So this is on The Winning Side, whatever you are.
• 58:04
  It is the European by I'm going to use that word.
• 58:07
  Is the European by based on seasonal best?
• 58:10
  Or is it based on ranking? I can't answer that question.
• 58:13
  No idea but you all understand why that's a very crucial issue,
• 58:17
  right? Funny part is this that's only a
• 58:22
  crucial issue in the United States.
• 58:24
  Like this is this is the one thing that we all have to
• 58:27
  accept. The Europeans have drank the
• 58:29
  Kool-Aid, mhm, from their perspective, the rankings are
• 58:33
  what they are. Yes.
• 58:34
  And and like meaning, okay, if you're if you have the 11th
• 58:38
  fastest time in Europe and you're ranked 14th and the 14th
• 58:44
  fastest person is ranked 11th and they get the by and you
• 58:48
  don't the European athletes and North nor were the coaches
• 58:51
  complain about that. We of course the United States
• 58:54
  would raise holy hell about the part of it is is like is to is
• 58:59
  to climbs original point. I think part of what track and
• 59:02
  field coach fans in United States, show up for his the
• 59:05
  Carnage. Like Ice-T, I think some of us
• 59:08
  act, some of us, meaning the American track and field fan,
• 59:13
  they show up to see who's not gonna make it.
• 59:16
  Okay, so and I want to say this, okay?
• 59:18
  So, you know, we get guys to run really fast in the first round.
• 59:24
  But how many times have we showed up in the first round to
• 59:26
  eliminate like, five people? Oh, I mean, listen.
• 59:31
  All of the tile is right and I'm afraid, right?
• 59:36
  But so that again, for me anyway, says like, we still were
• 59:40
  still on the eliminating. Those five people we're making
• 59:43
  are better people run into elimination. 85 people, so we
• 59:46
  could protect them by having them not run that I don't see
• 59:49
  how it's a horrible idea, but I'm understand your point is,
• 59:54
  well, I'm all for, I don't know. I'm all for an idea.
• 1:00:02
  So right now you go to US Olympic trials and for the last
• 1:00:05
  couple years it's been what, top, 30 to get to come in and do
• 1:00:09
  your thing. I'm all for world where it
• 1:00:13
  stopped 24, or it stops. T.
• 1:00:16
  I'm all for making the USA championships harder to get
• 1:00:21
  into. I got no issue with that and by
• 1:00:24
  definition of it's harder to get into than there's going to be
• 1:00:26
  less rounds. I'm cool with that.
• 1:00:29
  I guess, I guess my stomach turns at the idea of turning
• 1:00:33
  anything from our perspective into a popularity contest or to
• 1:00:38
  give passes to whoever because they had a hot race early in the
• 1:00:43
  season or whatever. Like I just Just, it's just so
• 1:00:47
  anti-us. So, without without that system,
• 1:00:51
  from cable does not win the 400 in the for hurdles at Europeans
• 1:00:56
  absolute, not the spectacle of her doing that and then turning
• 1:01:01
  around and running 48 on a 4x4, you know, for her team.
• 1:01:06
  If that does not happen. If she's got to run three
• 1:01:09
  rounds, it's impossible. And I'm not going to say it
• 1:01:13
  wasn't cool to watch because it was right.
• 1:01:15
  And I think talk like justice to in this to big size of this,
• 1:01:19
  isn't it? Yeah, absolutely because,
• 1:01:22
  because again, it obviously, it will work or could work or
• 1:01:27
  should work if we implemented it.
• 1:01:29
  But the problem is, is the implementation of the top 12
• 1:01:32
  here in our country, that's the problem.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah. If the sport was professional,
• 1:01:38
  see would definitely would definitely worth that rational I
• 1:01:45
  started this with the EPA has been screaming.
• 1:01:48
  This is this really not a sport was if the sport was
• 1:01:54
  professional, and it was run like a league right then then,
• 1:01:58
  that's exactly what would happen.
• 1:02:00
  Yes. And right, and I think the real
• 1:02:03
  me, Reserve your best.
• 1:02:18
  Yes you sure they are there. I think to Clyde's Point Clyde
• 1:02:22
  just wants to make sure they're learning fast.
• 1:02:26
  Yeah that best not just you know that one time or I just went out
• 1:02:30
  there like like the guy went out there and ran whatever whatever
• 1:02:32
  in turn pro, the next day and it was it was it was, it was right,
• 1:02:42
  rational then, okay, I think golf doesn't The best golf to be
• 1:02:47
  a. I don't know if you guys know
• 1:02:48
  this, but to be on the PGA tour, you have to be one of the top
• 1:02:51
  125 golfers in the world. Okay, if you are.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah. And if you are, I think, I think
• 1:02:59
  it's if you're in the bottom 10, then you still have to go defend
• 1:03:03
  your spots at Q school. So, they have a qualifying
• 1:03:06
  school to, to make it into the top 125 and get your tour card.
• 1:03:12
  If you're in the bottom 10, you have to go to Q school with
• 1:03:15
  those. You have to go and defend your
• 1:03:17
  spot, right? They don't start even, even by
• 1:03:20
  the way. Like if you're, if you were on
• 1:03:22
  the PGA tour last year, You get a bye.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, from the first round, right?
• 1:03:27
  And, you know, so from the first round of cuts and they basically
• 1:03:29
  have a gigantic tournament and they take, you know, the top 10
• 1:03:32
  or 12, whatever, it is, whatever the spots are to fill the spot.
• 1:03:37
  But what they do beyond that, like, this is where us not
• 1:03:40
  having a league. This is where becomes an issue,
• 1:03:43
  right? When tiger was an amateur, he
• 1:03:48
  could get sponsor exemptions to be in PGA events.
• 1:03:54
  He couldn't play the whole tour. It wasn't eligible to have PGA
• 1:03:57
  rankings. But the spectacle the
• 1:04:00
  professional spectacle of this young cat.
• 1:04:02
  Like, yo, this is what's next was valued, is valued by the
• 1:04:06
  entire sport. So he got sponsor exemptions and
• 1:04:09
  he played three or four PGA Tour events before he turned Pro and
• 1:04:16
  they still do that. You can still have your You can
• 1:04:18
  still have tour exemptions for people who are not in the top 25
• 1:04:22
  anymore but they're on the senior tour.
• 1:04:24
  But they you know like look if I was if I was a PGA event I would
• 1:04:28
  want John Daly in my event because he's the greatest
• 1:04:31
  redneck hero in the history of in the history of Heroes.
• 1:04:34
  I watched that guy hit a hole-in-one in bare feet, two
• 1:04:38
  days ago on Instagram. So like right that that's you
• 1:04:43
  know there's a fan base that comes with that.
• 1:04:45
  And so I guess to the point is like Nobody can tell, we were
• 1:04:51
  said this a million times, nobody can tell you what, it
• 1:04:55
  takes to be a professional track and field athlete.
• 1:04:59
  So that just tells you by definition like we're not
• 1:05:01
  professionals, it's not a league, is not a, you can't, you
• 1:05:05
  can't go by and no allows jurors.
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, right and and therein lies like where we're missing the
• 1:05:13
  boat for the athletes, the meet sponsors, and the overall growth
• 1:05:18
  of the sport and in importance in the United States.
• 1:05:23
  The fact that you can go buy a WNBA Jersey and you can't go by,
• 1:05:27
  you know, a flamingo Jersey is a huge problem.
• 1:05:33
  It's a huge problem and at the end of the day, like somebody
• 1:05:37
  needs to be willing to fight the fights that are necessary to
• 1:05:42
  make the sport professional. I think the gulf models,
• 1:05:45
  probably only one that will work for us.
• 1:05:47
  It's probably that the professional circuit is probably
• 1:05:51
  the top 32 in the world per event.
• 1:05:55
  It might be bigger than might be smaller than that.
• 1:05:57
  It might be the top 24. Right.
• 1:06:00
  But but for that, the interest of inclusion. the, the
• 1:06:04
  professional group of track and field athletes in this, when the
• 1:06:08
  world are probably the top 24 to 32 in each event, that's
• 1:06:15
  probably what the what the professional pool is and them if
• 1:06:21
  somebody runs a time you know okay.
• 1:06:25
  When a year and a half ago, two years ago when Ariane night and
• 1:06:29
  started running really fast yeah IMA give that due to laying in
• 1:06:35
  one of the you know the European meats and such because we want
• 1:06:40
  to see him right? You know.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah we'll figure out how to pay him and do all that stuff.
• 1:06:45
  But he's not a pro yet. You know what I mean?
• 1:06:48
  And I think there would be there would be something to Aspire to
• 1:06:51
  if you as a Collegian or a high schooler, you could go pro, you
• 1:06:57
  wouldn't, you know, the entire sport wouldn't be slaves to the
• 1:07:00
  shoe companies. Like like it would just be a, it
• 1:07:04
  would be a higher. Listen.
• 1:07:05
  What do I care? I don't know.
• 1:07:07
  No, I'm just, you know. No.
• 1:07:10
  I'm saying be careful because I know you hate the ranking system
• 1:07:14
  just like I do but you almost just made their entire point of
• 1:07:19
  why it exists the way that it does.
• 1:07:20
  So so I'm going to say this you and I differ, I don't hate the
• 1:07:24
  ranking system, I hate the ranking system because there is
• 1:07:29
  not a professional League. I would Holistically into the
• 1:07:33
  ranking system. If you tell me the top 32 people
• 1:07:36
  in the world are what it takes to be a pro.
• 1:07:39
  I'll buy that 30, 31 and 27 are different and and there's
• 1:07:44
  different things that happened in some have to race and some
• 1:07:46
  don't I'll buy that the ends would definitely justify the
• 1:07:52
  means, and it would be best for everybody.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah, issue with the ranking system is how you get ranking
• 1:07:57
  points. Yeah, therein lies the lack of
• 1:08:00
  professionality. But here's the thing, if you
• 1:08:02
  think about it in Europe, there is a track and field leak,
• 1:08:05
  mmm-hmm? Of course you're if you get on
• 1:08:08
  that website and see how they operate things and how
• 1:08:12
  everything builds towards Europeans, you can tell that
• 1:08:16
  it's a very exclusive. Well we can't just show up in
• 1:08:21
  this, go to Europeans like it's but but this wouldn't be that
• 1:08:24
  difficult to do, right? Like yeah, look if you, if you
• 1:08:27
  could sell it as it like if you could ever go to any American
• 1:08:32
  companies with what all of track and field is this is the League.
• 1:08:37
  This is what you're buying hundred percent.
• 1:08:40
  We could get Coke. Pepsi McDonald's, you name it.
• 1:08:44
  All these Global sponsors to sponsor a North American.
• 1:08:48
  Second track League, a knack a clique you could get all of the
• 1:08:52
  country sponsorship sponsors in Oceania to do Australia and and
• 1:09:01
  New Zealand and and the smaller islands like there could be, you
• 1:09:06
  know, a Far East Division. A West Division in North
• 1:09:09
  Division and it and actually be relatively equal.
• 1:09:15
  But that's the only way. That's the only way you could
• 1:09:17
  ever actually do it is you somebody would have to Define
• 1:09:21
  what being a professional in track and field is so that you
• 1:09:25
  can take that to a sponsor and sell it.
• 1:09:26
  Because right now, what are you selling?
• 1:09:28
  If you try, if I said you Clyde go sell the entire sport of
• 1:09:32
  global track and field to anyone.
• 1:09:35
  What are you selling? I'm you can't, you can't
• 1:09:39
  guarantee anything. You can't tell me that.
• 1:09:41
  No allows and sit are going to be at a meet.
• 1:09:44
  Nope, there's no ramifications if they don't come don't know
• 1:09:47
  but but the question is what you're selling I would be I
• 1:09:50
  would be selling and promoting the stars of the show.
• 1:09:54
  Okay so here's one example we have to sell so what is that
• 1:09:58
  what what what's the definition of a star who was the star?
• 1:10:04
  Medalist. Let's take okay, okay, wow.
• 1:10:07
  I'ma tell you right now that if you think about it, that's as
• 1:10:10
  moving a Target as there is. Hmm.
• 1:10:12
  Sure. But right now, that's how it is,
• 1:10:17
  huh? You're always, you're always in
• 1:10:26
  the star category if you have a metal, right?
• 1:10:29
  So, that's what I'm saying, so that number gets bigger every
• 1:10:32
  year. That's it.
• 1:10:35
  That's an issue that like, look, the best part.
• 1:10:38
  The best part about the NFL's, you know, exactly how many jobs
• 1:10:40
  are. Yep.
• 1:10:42
  The best. The best part about Major League
• 1:10:43
  Baseball's, you know, Exactly how many jobs are like Walker.
• 1:10:46
  There this is that because those are team sports with balls.
• 1:10:49
  It's just not, it's not the same thing.
• 1:10:51
  The golf thing was what Golf? And Tennis there is a number and
• 1:10:58
  I'm telling you you could not sell, you could not sell any
• 1:11:02
  part of track and field to a major US company because you
• 1:11:06
  don't happy. What are you selling?
• 1:11:09
  You can't guarantee them anything.
• 1:11:12
  Think about it. Think about it this way.
• 1:11:14
  What outside of losing your contract?
• 1:11:19
  What? Athlete is afraid to not be
• 1:11:22
  professional next year. Think about that.
• 1:11:27
  Like so if there is an established parameter, this is
• 1:11:30
  what it means to be professional.
• 1:11:32
  And you have to hit a certain threshold, forget about your
• 1:11:36
  shoe contract. This is what it means to be a
• 1:11:40
  card-carrying member of the professional track League.
• 1:11:44
  We it had been absent. Feelings brand Allyson, Felix
• 1:11:48
  ran without a contract. Yeah, there's a perfect example.
• 1:11:52
  That's an Abomination. That's an Abomination.
• 1:11:54
  But it only Because there is no professionalism in the sport
• 1:11:58
  know. So we all agree on that, there's
• 1:12:00
  no one's disagreement but that's the fix to speak to the point
• 1:12:05
  of, you know, there's a reason why USA Track & Field has
• 1:12:11
  struggled to package stuff like this, because they can't get
• 1:12:15
  anybody to get on board. Ya know, the things that the EPA
• 1:12:19
  is talking about people have tried.
• 1:12:22
  And they that nobody wants to be a part of it.
• 1:12:24
  Because we are absolutely denesecia sport on the planet.
• 1:12:28
  And United States is where the biggest mess is.
• 1:12:32
  You know, the the backstabbing I mean, like, okay athlete exes
• 1:12:36
  would ask for Coach, why this week.
• 1:12:38
  And then two weeks later they will Coach Z, right?
• 1:12:43
  There's a professional in a sport.
• 1:12:44
  There's no continuity in the sport.
• 1:12:46
  There's definitely definitely, you know, no loyalty in For
• 1:12:52
  whatsoever. So you keep there's nothing to
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  sell here. You're going to get great
• 1:12:57
  performances, you can give you Tina Great Performances, but
• 1:13:00
  behind every great performance. There's some tomfoolery that's
• 1:13:04
  going on that makes it not very attractive.
• 1:13:08
  I mean, what is, what is the biggest?
• 1:13:10
  What was the biggest knock against Venus and Serena During
• 1:13:15
  their professional career, they didn't play enough events and
• 1:13:21
  they kept that has followed them throughout their entire career.
• 1:13:25
  Now, they made a point to Buck the trend and say, hey, we're
• 1:13:29
  going to do it our way, right? But the average professional
• 1:13:34
  tennis player plays tourneys damn near every single week,
• 1:13:40
  you're moving from one place to another to another to another
• 1:13:45
  and Are playing like this is so they understand, they need
• 1:13:49
  points, they understand, they need to maintain their status
• 1:13:54
  and in order to maintain in order to maintain their, their,
• 1:13:57
  their sponsorships, whatever it is, they've got to make sure
• 1:14:01
  they're in a certain category, right?
• 1:14:03
  So it's it's one of those things that it feeds on each other, you
• 1:14:07
  know. So I find that.
• 1:14:11
  That is the one thing that, you know, I mean from I was
• 1:14:14
  competing And we were all complaining about called Carl,
• 1:14:18
  you know, races, five times a year and ends up number one in
• 1:14:21
  the world and the rest of us are jumping, 20 times a year and
• 1:14:26
  nowhere near it, right? And those are the kind of things
• 1:14:30
  that, you know, those parameters cannot be cannot be set by your
• 1:14:36
  shoe contract. Those are things that have to be
• 1:14:39
  set from the very top from World Athletics, from usatf like, And
• 1:14:45
  think about this, okay? We understand that there's a
• 1:14:49
  group of four or five, sometimes less men, that's it out in
• 1:14:56
  offices or in their homes. In the track of code news crew,
• 1:15:01
  the determined people's fate in this in this world.
• 1:15:04
  When did attract a field news? People become the authorities.
• 1:15:08
  People get absolute, they get there, but ranking bonuses based
• 1:15:12
  on what those four or five people give the Bible, right?
• 1:15:16
  They call level of. This was a great advertising, is
• 1:15:19
  advertising is great. Incredible, right?
• 1:15:24
  So you're going to say yes and their minds anyway.
• 1:15:37
  You know, some of the rationale they use when they do some of
• 1:15:39
  the stuff that they do is Amazing by the day, hold
• 1:15:43
  people's fate in their Get that stuff by the way.
• 1:15:47
  So you know the circle back and chew.
• 1:15:49
  I know we gotta move but the rankings have been updated.
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  So it swirls. Europeans is ranked number two,
• 1:15:58
  so USA's Commonwealth ncaa's Now, kak scc's Mediterranean
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  games World u20s ibero-american Championships, that's the top
• 1:16:13
  10. And and understanding leave the
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  top over that for us because we understand what he just read.
• 1:16:22
  He just read the list of the top ranked competition in the world.
• 1:16:28
  You get the, you get the most points according to the world
• 1:16:32
  Athletics calculator, and how they do things.
• 1:16:35
  Exact problem with that is, nah, nothing.
• 1:16:39
  Nothing that he just read on that list is based purely on
• 1:16:43
  performances in the Petition. It's a combination of
• 1:16:48
  performance marks and bonus points because World Athletics
• 1:16:53
  said, so yeah. And that is weird.
• 1:16:57
  And it's a, it's it's done on purpose.
• 1:17:02
  So the so, all I want to say about that is you just that's
• 1:17:06
  the updated one, right? Yes.
• 1:17:07
  After Nick hacks and after Europeans, yes.
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  Where is the NCAA championships on that list number five?
• 1:17:14
  So, uh, Understand, read the top five again, worlds, worlds,
• 1:17:18
  Europeans, USA championships Commonwealth ncaa's.
• 1:17:24
  So understand how amazing the NCAA me is because I assure you.
• 1:17:30
  If you understand how this works, the NCAA is put at such a
• 1:17:36
  competitive disadvantage on the point system and they're still
• 1:17:40
  number five. Number five, right, that Amy is
• 1:17:44
  better. Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Every meat on that list except world's except world so so
• 1:17:52
  here's what's wild, right? We you know we always and and
• 1:17:55
  I'm going to say this that you it's the floor is yours.
• 1:17:58
  We always talk about how Euro centered the this board is and
• 1:18:02
  we always talk about how much it means to the world, right, like
• 1:18:06
  to Europe. So let's be clear if you are
• 1:18:10
  English. You have access to the number
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  one, the number two and the number for meat as far as
• 1:18:18
  rankings power this year. Yes.
• 1:18:22
  Right. They have that such a number
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  five as well now but but like okay I think he's a really good
• 1:18:37
  dude and he's a very good Sprinter.
• 1:18:40
  Right sound, but that dude, that dudes.
• 1:18:45
  You know 2012 or whatever. He's going to run at Worlds.
• 1:18:51
  Europeans and Commonwealth Games is going to make him
• 1:18:55
  Untouchable. Yes.
• 1:18:57
  By Josephus Lyles whose PV is under 20, that's right gonna
• 1:19:02
  make him Untouchable. Yeah, that's my point.
• 1:19:06
  That's why I have the issue with the rankings now if the if the
• 1:19:09
  rankings were as they should right?
• 1:19:11
  Okay, golf. Does it?
• 1:19:12
  They got five Majors. They score the most points.
• 1:19:15
  Then they know they got tears if it was like that I live with it.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, I live with it because all this, in all area championships
• 1:19:24
  are not created equal. I'm sorry if you're going to put
• 1:19:27
  US championships and Commonwealth in the same
• 1:19:30
  conversation, like that's exactly.
• 1:19:41
  There you go. Big 12's with number 12, and
• 1:20:12
  Pac-12 the number 18 right now. So, we all over make a list.
• 1:20:23
  Every Governor, can you send me a link to that list?
• 1:20:32
  Oh absolutely. I'm intrigued by the list.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, it so it's it. Attract nerd out there.
• 1:20:47
  There is nothing you can do that will irritate you more and be
• 1:20:51
  more interesting than to teach yourself a fundamental
• 1:20:54
  understanding of how the rankings were.
• 1:20:57
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  I agree. I'm definitely like that's a
• 1:21:00
  challenge accepted. I will, I will have that Locked
• 1:21:03
  In by next week, Jamaican Champs and number 21.
• 1:21:08
  See, that's so disrespectful thing.
• 1:21:12
  Well, you gotta you gotta run under 1080.
• 1:21:16
  The top three, let's expand this a little bit, so different
• 1:21:22
  subject, same call. It parameters necessity, loose
• 1:21:27
  word to be thrown around right now with the new world standards
• 1:21:31
  that they've been. They've been published and for
• 1:21:33
  everyone to let's call it take in digest and quote-unquote.
• 1:21:39
  Understand what are your thoughts about them?
• 1:21:43
  What do they mean? What's it's the same game?
• 1:21:48
  It is ranking, right? It's literally the same game.
• 1:21:51
  So everybody's freaking out on in social media and in the in
• 1:21:55
  the track space about oh my God the rankings are so difficult.
• 1:21:59
  Now guys, that's on purpose because they want the World
• 1:22:04
  Championships to be qualified by, you know, world ranking
• 1:22:09
  system. So they were make the standards
• 1:22:12
  almost impossible. You'll have five six people that
• 1:22:16
  can hit them. And then everybody else in the
• 1:22:18
  meat has to get in by the rent. Yep, I think.
• 1:22:22
  Will pay off the most about it. I think what pissed me off the
• 1:22:24
  most the most about it is they made it uneven for no particular
• 1:22:28
  reason, like how about you just do stuff?
• 1:22:31
  Like just just do it in the jacked up fashion.
• 1:22:34
  Let's just say the world championship standard is.
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  What's 10, can the world? I mean, that'd be clean, right?
• 1:22:41
  That would be so much cleaner, that'd be so much cleaner,
• 1:22:44
  because then no event, could complain, right?
• 1:22:46
  So if you had to be tough, if the standard was equal to the
• 1:22:50
  performance that is 10th in the world at this year's, like for
• 1:22:54
  this year's season, everybody would get it.
• 1:22:58
  There will be no complaints. The issue is The standards fall.
• 1:23:05
  So very at Lee, on the World list.
• 1:23:10
  Like, okay, so what are you guys are way faster at the internet
• 1:23:13
  than me? I know the world championship
• 1:23:14
  standings, 100 men's hundred is ten flat since we've been told
• 1:23:19
  more than once on this show that that serviceable.
• 1:23:22
  How far down? How far down the the world
• 1:23:25
  Athletics performance list. This season is 1000, start with
• 1:23:32
  the u.s. list is probably. I mean, 100%.
• 1:23:39
  I mean, the u.s. list would further prove my point, right?
• 1:23:42
  Because there's probably like 12 or 15 dudes with that standard
• 1:23:47
  in the US. Yep.
• 1:23:55
  So what why? Why is that relevant?
• 1:23:58
  Because I'll just go to the one that I know that's mostly near
• 1:24:01
  and dear to my heart, the the decathlon standard is 8460.
• 1:24:08
  There are eight people in the world with that standard and one
• 1:24:12
  of them is is a Hummer who has the second for this long jump in
• 1:24:17
  the world. And he just got that standard
• 1:24:20
  barely last week. Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Tant. There are 30 humans under 10
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  flat. Yep.
• 1:24:31
  Okay. So, do you see what I'm saying?
• 1:24:33
  11 American, you make a world championship standard that 11
• 1:24:37
  Americans, have and eight Global people have in the decathlon and
• 1:24:42
  truster is here is 35 times the 35 or 30 feet.
• 1:24:47
  It's worse in some other field events.
• 1:24:49
  I think the deck is probably, I think by none by World list, I
• 1:24:54
  think it might be the worst. But there's others that are
• 1:24:56
  right in that 789 range. And that just doesn't make it.
• 1:25:01
  Like listen like I said, if they said the standard was 8th in the
• 1:25:05
  world, I'd actually be okay with because at least it's clean.
• 1:25:10
  Because the question you then have is, how did they come up
• 1:25:13
  with the standards? How do you get 8460 in 10 flat?
• 1:25:21
  For the record in the men's hundred.
• 1:25:23
  If you wanted number 10, to be the standard, it would be 990.
• 1:25:29
  See that makes sense to me? What would be tempting?
• 1:25:33
  The 200, I'm gonna guess, I think 10th in the 200 is like,
• 1:25:36
  night is fumble and the crew at 1983.
• 1:25:43
  Pretty close, Andrew Hudson 1987 hmm tents tents in the World
• 1:25:50
  list C so that's what I'm saying.
• 1:25:52
  Like why not just make it 10 feet across the board because
• 1:25:56
  then it will be unveiled right? We would know what they were
• 1:25:59
  doing. The top 10 people get automatic
• 1:26:03
  qualifiers for worlds, and then you got all these different by Z
• 1:26:06
  that you can get, right? You got.
• 1:26:10
  So if the neck, Champions you want to give the top 10 of by no
• 1:26:15
  know that there's no, that's the auto standard.
• 1:26:18
  It's not a by that. They're in the steering, the
• 1:26:19
  meat got. Okay.
• 1:26:21
  Okay. Right.
• 1:26:22
  Threw me off was just so I got no, no.
• 1:26:24
  So you got these other, you know ways to get in, right?
• 1:26:27
  If did not come again, when it gets inside the 35 people. 35
• 1:26:32
  humans have 15 Flats have run 1000 little bit.
• 1:26:37
  The remember 11 of those are Americans so you can only four
• 1:26:41
  of them. Four of those Americans
• 1:26:43
  participate. Yep.
• 1:26:44
  Yes, could eliminate seven. So you down, 28 our way.
• 1:26:48
  And I'm sure there are other countries that have the same
• 1:26:49
  situation. Yeah, one other country to make.
• 1:26:56
  Okay, that's more than 34 people more than three people on make
• 1:27:05
  money to make the maker has to make.
• 1:27:06
  It has six, right? So Jamaica and absolutely,
• 1:27:10
  that's a to Country problem, so that's half the half the list
• 1:27:15
  is. Yes.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah. Yep.
• 1:27:21
  Yes. Well, okay, so of that 35,
• 1:27:23
  right? Like listen, I like this thought
• 1:27:26
  to Solutions is point of that. 35 7 are automatically
• 1:27:31
  disqualified from the US and three are automatically
• 1:27:33
  disqualified from Jamaica, right?
• 1:27:36
  So that's 10. You still stick a list of 25.
• 1:27:40
  Yeah. Like and the numbers are stupid
• 1:27:44
  and orange and I say it's too big as this because there should
• 1:27:47
  never be that kind of disparity when it comes to qualifying
• 1:27:49
  standards for me. Did you shouldn't be?
• 1:27:54
  Yeah, it was too. It was too clean and as always
• 1:27:57
  and World Athletics World, they always miss the Mark.
• 1:28:02
  We know what they're trying to do, right?
• 1:28:03
  Like we all get it. So would you say that that idea
• 1:28:09
  and the thinking is to get away from a 10-day World Championship
• 1:28:13
  meet and start to shrink this thing, you know, in 25 days, you
• 1:28:21
  know, you're not there, you're not going to decrease the
• 1:28:23
  numbers. No.
• 1:28:25
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  I don't think they have any interest in in decreasing the
• 1:28:29
  number of days. I think they love the 10-day
• 1:28:31
  schedule and they promote off the 10 day schedule.
• 1:28:34
  And and let's be clear. This also like for us, like, it
• 1:28:40
  used to be a time when they're little standard were a problem
• 1:28:43
  for the US. Do not a problem.
• 1:28:45
  Any of another problem? Now, don't know again because,
• 1:28:48
  you know, we know how this works.
• 1:28:49
  Okay, the standards, 10 flat, that means next year, they're
• 1:28:52
  gonna be 20 people there 110 class, First the versus level.
• 1:28:55
  It's what we do. 18 under 20 point on the men's side.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let's let, I mean crazy.
• 1:29:04
  I'm speaking for myself, I'm not complaining that the standards
• 1:29:07
  are too difficult, I'm complaining about the game, the,
• 1:29:12
  the shrewd game that is being played to push the ranking
• 1:29:17
  system, which is what's the inept?
• 1:29:20
  And I'm saying about, we have to be handedness of the game.
• 1:29:24
  Yes, it's until the end, so let's be clear.
• 1:29:26
  It's their game, right? So they're going to set it up,
• 1:29:29
  so she'll win. Exactly.
• 1:29:31
  So they're going to set up so they can win the game.
• 1:29:33
  So let's not act like we're surprised to hear that, man.
• 1:29:39
  So, this, what I was trying to ask, if the neck at Champion,
• 1:29:46
  can get a bye in two World Championships to the European
• 1:29:52
  Champion, get, and that's an area.
• 1:29:54
  A championship, right? Yes, yeah.
• 1:29:56
  So so, do all area championships, get in.
• 1:30:00
  So look again, look at that list.
• 1:30:04
  There are those worlds Europeans USA's, Knack, ack, Mediterranean
• 1:30:12
  games, ibero-american games, those are all area
• 1:30:15
  championships. All those years get a pass.
• 1:30:19
  Exactly. So so the idea, so here's here's
• 1:30:23
  the back. Or you're now seeing what the
• 1:30:26
  back door conversation has been right?
• 1:30:29
  All of these federation's have gotten together and said, hey
• 1:30:32
  we're getting hammered here. We're not getting our best
• 1:30:35
  athletes to come to our area championships.
• 1:30:38
  How can we make it? So they see the value in coming,
• 1:30:43
  right? Europeans, I mean, they're well
• 1:30:46
  on their way. They've already established that
• 1:30:49
  neat as the meet the front European championships are After
• 1:30:54
  the World Championships on the schedule, I mean, come on, like
• 1:30:58
  they're athletes that literally skipped, whorls and went 100%
• 1:31:05
  100%. That is that is completely
• 1:31:08
  upside down, right? So, you know, you gotta, you
• 1:31:12
  gotta look at what's happening here and the fact that, you
• 1:31:16
  know, these meats mean a lot when it comes to rankings,
• 1:31:21
  right? And incentivized.
• 1:31:24
  These means and and let me say this because I mean, just
• 1:31:29
  through our own conversations. II.
• 1:31:34
  Do not believe that it is widely understood from an American
• 1:31:38
  perspective. That if you go to neck hack, and
• 1:31:41
  when you got a pass into world's next, are you go, because
• 1:31:46
  lately? Get the roster of who, there's
• 1:31:50
  no way that are that people understood that.
• 1:31:53
  Coaches don't know. That athletes, don't know that
• 1:31:56
  agents. It's your job to know that.
• 1:31:58
  Exactly. So, like when I brought that in
• 1:32:00
  our group chat, a couple of y'all didn't know that, That was
• 1:32:03
  like I'm going to be honest. I'm not the smartest guy in the
• 1:32:05
  room. I only know that because the
• 1:32:09
  Bahamian decathletes were split one was at World Championships
• 1:32:13
  and one was at Commonwealth Games for that very reason.
• 1:32:17
  Wow, that's amazing. Wow.
• 1:32:23
  Truly I said you all did look to be crazy when I said too boxy
• 1:32:27
  and there you have it. You're welcome.
• 1:32:31
  You didn't think it was coming, did you?
• 1:32:34
  Well let's let's settle up this to bakri with a little round of
• 1:32:38
  a. Would you rather?
• 1:32:40
  And the governor has stepped in to the pool wholeheartedly?
• 1:32:46
  Right. No chickening out now.
• 1:32:51
  So you ready sir? Yes I am.
• 1:32:53
  All right, would you rather get a paper cut or bite?
• 1:32:56
  Bite your cheek paper cut? Would you rather lose your sense
• 1:33:03
  of smell or sense of taste? God, I'd rather use lose my
• 1:33:13
  sense of smell. Would you be able to, okay?
• 1:33:17
  Would you rather only be able to go out at night or only in the
• 1:33:20
  day? Find a day.
• 1:33:26
  We're going to go out during the day.
• 1:33:29
  Yeah. Would you rather have an
• 1:33:32
  additional round of races or an additional round of jumps?
• 1:33:39
  This is tailored to you sir. This is really tailored to you.
• 1:33:46
  Jumps jumps, got it. I had a feeling it was gonna go
• 1:33:49
  to that one because you never had no issues with qualifying.
• 1:33:57
  Would you rather get spiked or drop a discus on your toe
• 1:34:03
  discus? Really.
• 1:34:06
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yes, interest rates reason
• 1:34:11
  is. And there's it was a, it was a,
• 1:34:14
  it was a tick tock that described what it is to, like,
• 1:34:18
  drop something on your foot and it was like this huge, you know,
• 1:34:23
  cinematic moment and then like about 30 seconds later.
• 1:34:27
  All right. Let's go.
• 1:34:28
  Let's keep going. That's true.
• 1:34:33
  All right. No one would you rather have to
• 1:34:37
  offer a crouton the very first call or only on what we used to
• 1:34:42
  call the signing day? But like the last day before
• 1:34:44
  they sign, if it was a uniform on the call?
• 1:34:48
  Got it? Yes.
• 1:34:51
  No, go ahead. No, no.
• 1:34:53
  It's would you rather only recruit the portal, or only
• 1:34:58
  recruit the Juco system, or do I guess?
• 1:35:04
  Optical system, maybe not the future system of repair
• 1:35:18
  or two piece. I guess a one piece.
• 1:35:22
  Versus a two piece. 22 got it. Hey I mean you're just yeah I'm
• 1:35:31
  not going to go there gentlemen, it's all yours.
• 1:35:39
  The wheels are spinning. Okay, so Let's see.
• 1:35:47
  I was going to say, we would you rather coach in the ACC or the
• 1:35:50
  SEC, but I'm not gonna This is true as well.
• 1:36:11
  So, would you rather learn to coach, the teashop put, our
• 1:36:19
  learn to coach a pole at a very high level pole vault, I mean
• 1:36:28
  that that that isn't still to this day, it intrigues me all
• 1:36:33
  the intricacies and nuances, you know, I mean, moving the moving
• 1:36:38
  the bars and all that stuff and what goals should be illegal to
• 1:36:43
  have to coach the pole. Vault, it is like I can imagine.
• 1:36:49
  I wonder if anyone's ever written pole vault for dummies
• 1:36:54
  like a handbook because I'm that, that handbook would be
• 1:36:56
  about this. Because the amount of scenarios
• 1:37:01
  that would just pop up. Like, come on man, I mean it's
• 1:37:04
  crazy. And then the jargon like when
• 1:37:08
  you describe holes and come on, man, I had no idea.
• 1:37:15
  Alright sir it's not an either/or okay?
• 1:37:20
  Had to leave Collegiate Athletics as a profession and
• 1:37:26
  work directly for a federation as a professional coach, which
• 1:37:32
  Federation would it be? In what capacity?
• 1:37:37
  Like my talking like front office?
• 1:37:38
  I were talking no, no. As a coach sprinkles, jump goes,
• 1:37:41
  whatever you post, which iteration would you prefer to
• 1:37:45
  work for? I think it's a toss-up between
• 1:37:58
  Qatar and Bahrain for the bag. Wow, I understand this China is
• 1:38:15
  trying to coach for that 180 thousand dollar back.
• 1:38:19
  Run some errands for governor. Thank you.
• 1:38:22
  Thank you. I guess it's my turn.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah, it was. Is it yours big lie?
• 1:38:32
  All you asked all the questions. I forgot.
• 1:38:34
  I'm trying to be. You know, why?
• 1:38:37
  It was nothing. There's nothing in the cup of
• 1:38:39
  water just so we're clear. Okay, water and limes.
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  I promise. Oh man.
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  I'm trying to be good. Trying to have a good one.
• 1:38:52
  What would you do in the whole time?
• 1:38:53
  We were asking questions, I was laughing at the questions.
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  Okay. If you were allowed to go back
• 1:39:06
  in the Wayback machine and you just about to be a professional,
• 1:39:11
  but you had to change event groups all together, so you
• 1:39:16
  could not be a jumper and you could not be a sprinter, would
• 1:39:20
  you be a walker? Thrower.
• 1:39:26
  Or distance Runner. Thrower.
• 1:39:32
  Thrower walking and long-distance, not in my DNA.
• 1:39:46
  I just want a picture. I want a picture, the governor's
• 1:39:49
  calves as a race Walker. No, no, no.
• 1:39:55
  That's that's as easy as it gets.
• 1:39:58
  Oh man. Oh my God.
• 1:40:00
  That's funny. Well, that rounds out.
• 1:40:04
  Would you rather will wrap up real quick with some heartbeat
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  properties? We've missed him for a couple
• 1:40:09
  weeks. I'll start us off this quick
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  heartbeat props to all of the viewers who either give the
• 1:40:20
  tiles feedback, comment on the YouTube video or whatever.
• 1:40:24
  But specifically to coach Turner and Coach Salva because they
• 1:40:28
  reached out to me personally and Express The Learning moment in
• 1:40:32
  different episodes recently as well as like, hey you said
• 1:40:36
  something or one of the tiles that said something and I took
• 1:40:39
  it to heart. So now I'm going to ask you all
• 1:40:42
  for help and so that has come to fruition for I think each of us
• 1:40:47
  at certain points of time, but definitely recently, to so Harpy
• 1:40:51
  Frost out specifically to coach Turner and Coach Dabo.
• 1:40:54
  But definitely for everybody who who gets to learn four, three,
• 1:40:58
  two, Three to three hours. Depends on how long the episode
• 1:41:02
  is at those every moment. Mine will be shortened in
• 1:41:07
  simple. I think I can speak for all of
• 1:41:10
  us on this one. My heartbeat props, go out to
• 1:41:12
  udon cheek who has always provided us our intro
• 1:41:16
  soundtracks and has as you now heard in the beginning, got
• 1:41:21
  found some time to get the governor officially added to the
• 1:41:24
  soundtrack. It is unpaid you know work and
• 1:41:30
  we appreciate it brother. It's a great soundtrack and you
• 1:41:34
  know, We appreciate you helping us in in that capacity, but
• 1:41:37
  thank you for getting that done for us tonight.
• 1:41:40
  I wanted to just give a heartbeat props to incoming
• 1:41:47
  athletes all sports. Yesterday, we, well just this
• 1:41:51
  Sunday and yesterday, were, you know, kind of the, you know, the
• 1:41:56
  rah-rah moments for them and to think that this this past
• 1:42:03
  weekend was the first time in three years that we have done
• 1:42:07
  this in person. You know, it's it kind of brings
• 1:42:12
  it home as to how special, you know, it is to be able to get
• 1:42:17
  these kids, you know, the proper entrance to, you know, such an
• 1:42:23
  important part of their lives and yeah.
• 1:42:26
  Harvey props goes out to the incoming class and, you know,
• 1:42:29
  looking forward to great things and 20 22 and 23.
• 1:42:35
  I want to give a heartbeat props to all the heads and assistant
• 1:42:39
  coaches trainers. And all the other people out
• 1:42:42
  there that are starting to jobs, when I wish you guys, all the
• 1:42:45
  best, been a lot of turnover. And as we will, I'm sure discuss
• 1:42:50
  more in the future. There's still a lot of turnover
• 1:42:52
  going on. Yes.
• 1:42:54
  Yeah. That just that, just crossed my
• 1:42:55
  mind already today that there's a lot of people out there
• 1:42:58
  starting new adventures and just want to wish everybody all the
• 1:43:01
  best. And See you down the road.
• 1:43:07
  Sweet. Man, I actually want to give my
• 1:43:16
  heartbeat props to a friend of several people on this show who
• 1:43:22
  didn't know the show existed until we talked about it, a
• 1:43:25
  commonwealth games and who is literally trying to catch up?
• 1:43:29
  I'm going to shoot my heart. Be props out to Bermuda 21 mr.
• 1:43:33
  Brian Wellman, who is intermittently since
• 1:43:36
  Commonwealth Games. Said me, various and Sundry
• 1:43:41
  messages on Whatsapp about how he is laughing.
• 1:43:44
  Hysterically about, like episode like season 1 episode 21, or
• 1:43:49
  whatever it is, but he is bound and determined to catch up.
• 1:43:52
  So continue to Soldier on my friend.
• 1:43:55
  You only have three years worth of commentary worth of content
• 1:44:00
  to watch, but I know you're watching, we appreciate you.
• 1:44:04
  And at some point time, I will without question out of your
• 1:44:08
  West that will have you on the show.
• 1:44:13
  Anyone that can catches up after it's just starting out deserves
• 1:44:17
  to be on the show. The last, the last text I got,
• 1:44:24
  he was like 23 episodes. Yeah.
• 1:44:30
  Sorry by the time you get to this one.
• 1:44:32
  Sorry. So that's so many hours.
• 1:44:39
  Oh, my gosh. Well.
• 1:44:42
  Thank you so much. You all for again, putting your
• 1:44:46
  time into the show. Thank you for everyone who
• 1:44:49
  watches and put their time into it.
• 1:44:51
  We know how hard it is and everyone starting school new
• 1:44:55
  adventures again. Well wishes endurance, it's a
• 1:44:59
  marathon not a Sprint with that said everyone get some rest and
• 1:45:03
  we'll see each other next week. Bye everyone.
• 1:45:10
  What the last call. Four Corners wouldn't be here
• 1:45:40
  but we're here to stop raining. You got it under stress, gotta
• 1:45:43
  catch Stars. Show you how to fight for?
• 1:45:46
  Sure. So you are you lack experience
• 1:45:48
  but still you want to tell and who is that you talk to
• 1:45:51
  yourself? The kind of small heads prevail
• 1:45:54
  when your backbone strong gotta keep it coming up.
• 1:45:57
  Won't last long pass to fill this in all the session and if
• 1:46:01
  you don't check yourself and that's wrong just trying to give
• 1:46:04
  you the real that you asked for. So why do you keep cutting us
• 1:46:07
  off the air? Small, we put it in slow-mo what
• 1:46:10
  you fast-forward Athletics.