Latest / Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers / #82 Grieving, Loss, and Christmas
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- 0:10SPEAKER_02: I have a vivid memory when I was a kid
- 0:34our Christmas Eve was fairly packed partly because my grandpa
- 0:40was a pastor and we
- 0:43would have to build everything around him speaking at the 11
- 0:47o'clock service at
- 0:48night and so we would sometimes we would go over to our church
- 0:54because my grandpa
- 0:55was at a different church we would go to our church for
- 0:57Christmas Eve and early
- 0:58SPEAKER_02: Christmas Eve
- 1:00then we would go over to my um uncle al's house uncle al and
- 1:05aunt elsie and the
- 1:06reason why i remember her house with two reasons one she had
- 1:10this beautiful
- 1:11christmas tree always had red beautiful red balls on it and red
- 1:18lights and ours
- 1:19SPEAKER_02: always was just either multicolored or white
- 1:22第二,她是 famous for her baked beans,所以那一直就 propelled us into
- 1:27christmas eve,如果你 catch
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- 1:51and then we would sing christmas carols together and coming
- 1:56from a musical family
- 1:58that was always pretty good uncle al died and i i can remember
- 2:03watching aunt marie
- 2:05and i'm a pretty little kid still just sitting there it's in
- 2:09her house and just
- 2:12SPEAKER_02: this sort of this look of of both
- 2:15joy and yet the tears just coming because she missed her
- 2:20husband so so very much
- 2:23and that's a story that's told over and over and over again
- 2:28every year around the
- 2:29holidays tough time of year especially not to discount the
- 2:33second third and fourth
- 2:35but the first one in particular just trying to navigate your
- 2:38way through that sense
- 2:40SPEAKER_02: of loss and
- 2:41I've done a couple of funerals this year so I know that these
- 2:44families will be
- 2:45going through their all those holidays for the first time and
- 2:50now we're in
- 2:51Christmas and you know Christmas lasts at least a month now if
- 2:54not longer and so
- 2:55there's a lot of memories that are stirred over that course of
- 2:58time and then you
- 2:59SPEAKER_02: get to Christmas Eve you get to Christmas Day
- 3:02We thought we'd talk about it in part because Terry has been
- 3:06through this journey a
- 3:09SPEAKER_02: few times and articulates so well for us what it's like,
- 3:13SPEAKER_02: what you do,
- 3:15SPEAKER_02: how you get through it,
- 3:17SPEAKER_02: how you don't get through it.
- 3:18Lost her husband Jimmy several years ago and then Jonathan not
- 3:22too long ago.
- 3:24and um and terry sent us a text which i won't read for you but
- 3:28she did say there
- 3:28are a number of women who've lost spouses who have sort of
- 3:35connected with her and
- 3:37and uh so this is a important for her as well uh terry let's
- 3:41just uh we don't
- 3:43necessarily need to go back to um your first christmas without
- 3:47jimmy but you can if
- 3:48you want but i know jonathan's your first christmas without
- 3:50jonathan is probably
- 3:51SPEAKER_02: fresher
- 3:53what was that because you're a christmas person and you love
- 3:57this holiday like the
- 3:58rest of us yeah um what was that like was it was last year the
- 4:02first one or two
- 4:04years yeah last year was the first but i do want to hearken
- 4:07just back a little bit
- 4:09and just say that there was a setting uh because i worked with
- 4:13you in that first
- 4:15christmas without uh following jimmy's death and it was it was
- 4:19a it was those were
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: difficult weeks yes but there was
- 4:24SPEAKER_00: 感谢观看,感谢观看
- 4:46very different than the first year and I think that there's a
- 4:50lot of even research
- 4:52around it I hear a lot of widows share that because there's
- 4:59like a settling in that
- 5:01SPEAKER_00: almost you can't
- 5:05when I say numbness I don't mean that I didn't feel anything
- 5:09because I felt
- 5:09everything last year and I couldn't believe it but there is
- 5:14this thawing out and a
- 5:18reality that sets in in year two no matter where that falls in
- 5:26line up with the
- 5:27SPEAKER_00: holidays that says yeah this is it
- 5:34这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是
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- 5:44这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是
- 5:45SPEAKER_00: 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是 这个是
- 5:49i i'm so tickled that you did ask meto talk about it becausefor
- 5:55myselfi know you
- 5:56guys knowboth of youthat i am a verbalprocessorand you've been
- 6:01on the other end of
- 6:02SPEAKER_00: that many timesbut it does helpme to talk about itfor my own sakebut
- 6:09I don't think everyone else many are not verbal processors and
- 6:14I hear somebody else
- 6:16say what you're feeling and thinking is for myself especially
- 6:21this past it was just
- 6:2216 months of few days ago so in this past year plus to read
- 6:29something that someone
- 6:32else said before I did or didn't put the words to is like oh
- 6:38you know so um
- 6:38I was at you're right tim i'm right there what that's one of
- 6:42the things beautiful
- 6:44things you and i have in common is the love for christmas also
- 6:49the whole fall for
- 6:51me i grew up in southern california the weather never changed
- 6:54there just like it
- 6:55really doesn't change hereand i'm as annoyed as you think i am
- 7:00but um i loved the
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: fall and so i started feeling this
- 7:08SPEAKER_00: 我认识了我认识了我认识了
- 7:29this went back and forth and I remember even where I was
- 7:32standing out probably
- 7:34setting a pumpkin out on my front patio is what I believe but I
- 7:39feel like I had the
- 7:42conclusion that the me that always was before Jonathan then
- 7:52became married to
- 7:53SPEAKER_00: Jonathan and the me that always was was now shared with him
- 7:58so as when that person you share your life with leaves there's
- 8:03that space that they
- 8:05occupied that is still also part of you and that's where the
- 8:11crux came and i was
- 8:12think i was telling you tim that when i when i got to the point
- 8:18of starting to
- 8:18decorate for christmas which is was a little bit before
- 8:21thanksgiving um i just
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: stood in my kitchen and thought what am i doing
- 8:28what is this how do i have both and and and being a christ
- 8:34follower there's a
- 8:35celebration within me that i will never really be able to deny
- 8:41and that's a joy but
- 8:42as a as as just my basic humanness i love christmas i love it
- 8:47for all the things
- 8:49SPEAKER_00: obviously the birth but then i really don't like it because
- 9:01the person I shared that withis not hereand I just like I said
- 9:09I stood in my
- 9:10SPEAKER_00: kitchenand I felt like there's got to be room for both
- 9:16I think I was wrestling like the visual I had in my head is
- 9:20that the Terry before
- 9:21that always loved Christmas was elbowing the grief out of the
- 9:26way and then the
- 9:27sorrow was elbowing Terry back out of the way and it was just
- 9:33this thing so I I
- 9:35SPEAKER_00: asked God help me understand how to expand my heart
- 9:43and I'm practicing that I don't like maybe we should come back
- 9:47next year and I can
- 9:48tell you how it went but I um I just am trying to allow for
- 9:53both of them and they
- 9:54and it isn't painless so the my joy for Christmas and my joy
- 10:00for the holiday and my
- 10:02SPEAKER_00: joy for the season
- 10:04doesn't have pain in it really in and of itself it's not until
- 10:09it bumps up against
- 10:11my sorrow and missing Jonathan so I think I'm just trying to
- 10:15practice and it is a
- 10:19practice acknowledging both and letting both be there which is
- 10:25really weird because
- 10:28SPEAKER_00: it's this roller coaster it's what you described about your aunt
- 10:35SPEAKER_00: that you sensed joy but tears were flowing.
- 10:38SPEAKER_00: And so I think,
- 10:39SPEAKER_00: and I know you know this,
- 10:42I've said this way back when when you and I first met and I
- 10:44used to do some
- 10:45SPEAKER_00: performing initially when I came to Community Church of Joy,
- 10:48SPEAKER_00: I would always share back then that I knew instinctively that pain,
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- 11:24SPEAKER_00: 明天天天天天
- 11:42um i'm finishing up inside and jonathan loved the decorations
- 11:49but he was all for me
- 11:50doing them so that's when you're done um yeah but he loved them
- 11:58like a little kid
- 12:00SPEAKER_00: would and just childlike
- 12:03I think I probably you know overdid even for him to in his past
- 12:10and history but one
- 12:11thing he did do is we had a magnetized we have I have a
- 12:17magnetized advent calendar
- 12:18SPEAKER_00: and it was always his role
- 12:21挺 easy to pick up a little ornament to the tree but it was his
- 12:25thing and I made
- 12:27myself do that last year and most of the time not to be graphic
- 12:33but I felt like I
- 12:35was just going to throw up it was sorrow and the wrenching so I
- 12:41did that this year
- 12:43SPEAKER_00: and I thought I'm still here I'm still here and
- 12:48SPEAKER_00: who I always was has been stretched with his loss so why not
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- 13:21so um that's the bulk of where i'm at right now and you know
- 13:27we're relatively early
- 13:30in the season but i mean if you include include thanksgiving
- 13:34and all so it's i'm
- 13:36i'm just trying to practice allowing both to to to show up
- 13:40there are as many
- 13:42SPEAKER_02: different ways to grieve as there are people
- 13:45SPEAKER_02: And so there's no one right or wrong way to grieve.
- 13:48SPEAKER_02: And I think it's important for people to hear that.
- 13:51SPEAKER_02: I know there are some people,
- 13:53SPEAKER_02: for example,
- 13:54SPEAKER_02: in the holiday season,
- 13:55SPEAKER_02: especially their first time around,
- 13:57SPEAKER_02: they choose not to do what they used to do.
- 14:01SPEAKER_02: 嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯
- 14:30there you think you're okay and then all of a sudden bam it
- 14:35just hits you out of
- 14:35nowhere um and and i know you've been uh getting some uh help
- 14:40the counselor and so
- 14:41on as well which is really important for you so we're not
- 14:47making terry the model
- 14:48SPEAKER_02: right we're just listening to one story of how someone grieved
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- 15:03yes because I love them you know I think that was what drove me
- 15:08but they this year
- 15:10Thanksgiving last year I did pull away from things that I had
- 15:15normally done for
- 15:17Thanksgiving and even and I spent Christmas Eve and most of
- 15:24Christmas Day by myself
- 15:25SPEAKER_00: last year
- 15:27SPEAKER_00: 但那是所有我可以带自己去做我感受了我感受了我感受了我感受了我感受了
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: I guess I would just say to really listen and be fair,
- 15:43SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 15:44SPEAKER_00: because there aren't any you should as why don't choose,
- 15:49SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: like there's just being as honest and as kind to yourself as possible.
- 15:55And last year,
- 15:56I mean,
- 15:57it was searing pain to sit by myself on Christmas Eve.
- 16:04SPEAKER_00: But it was really the...
- 16:06SPEAKER_00: 最最最最最最最最最
- 16:32to step out of the lane and other than last year and and take
- 16:38on some new things
- 16:40new ways of doing things and though that too was hard it was
- 16:45like okay i am i'm
- 16:46SPEAKER_00: still here on the drive home after being in three different locations
- 16:52on thanksgiving and and being invited into lovely scenarios and
- 16:57and one of which
- 16:58was my um brother's family which i always spent time with but
- 17:02two others i wrote on
- 17:04SPEAKER_00: the drive home it was a big exhale like you did it you did something
- 17:11knew and it was hard but there was joy in the middle of it like
- 17:16I really dug some
- 17:18of the choices that I made they were radically one was
- 17:23radically different I went
- 17:25to a church meal for Thanksgiving and I did break down there a
- 17:29little bit while I
- 17:30SPEAKER_00: was fixing my coffee because I thought how did I get here
- 17:34I want while they're waiting like how did I get here my back
- 17:38was to the rest of the
- 17:39room and they're all seated at round tables at a little church
- 17:44that I attend and
- 17:45it's not a little church but and I just stood there and thought
- 17:51he is not here
- 17:52SPEAKER_00: having a coffee with me and it was
- 17:56I let myself cry I thought this is the longest I've ever
- 17:59stirred a coffee in my
- 18:01SPEAKER_00: life but I'm not turning around until I'm done crying but
- 18:06SPEAKER_00: 我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉我感觉
- 18:34Terry you're talking about of course the ultimate loss a spouse
- 18:40a partner many of
- 18:41us were a certain age where we've lost parents grandparents
- 18:45along the way and we
- 18:48think of them and and and there are moments where for me you
- 18:53know once in a while
- 18:56doesn't happen every year but every once in a while I think I
- 19:00would have been cool
- 19:01SPEAKER_02: if right
- 19:02my parents had seen this or my grandparents had been here for
- 19:06this moment yeah
- 19:07there's also the loss that people experience at christmas when
- 19:11uh it may be that uh
- 19:13SPEAKER_02: the kids have grown
- 19:17and now you've got kids and their kids um for a little older
- 19:21audience their kids
- 19:22and your your kids and your grandkids uh some might be in texas
- 19:27some might be in
- 19:27minnesota some might be over in europe right and and those
- 19:32family christmases that
- 19:33you value so highly they have to change you you have this sense
- 19:39of loss because the
- 19:41kids aren't there anymore maybe this is the year you couldn't
- 19:44do with the grandkids
- 19:45SPEAKER_02: or
- 19:46maybe there are certain health things that happen we've had
- 19:50that with Jan with her
- 19:51cancer four years ago where she just didn't have the stamina to
- 19:57do all the things
- 19:59SPEAKER_02: that we used to do and there's a kind of a loss I
- 20:03SPEAKER_02: 每年在 Christmastime,
- 20:05Jan and I would go out every night and walk and see the
- 20:08Christmas lights in our
- 20:09SPEAKER_02: neighborhood.
- 20:10SPEAKER_02: We'd take the dogs out.
- 20:11SPEAKER_02: I'm doing that myself, right?
- 20:13So there's always just this little bit of loss that we all
- 20:15experience where things
- 20:17SPEAKER_02: aren't quite what they were,
- 20:19SPEAKER_01: right?
- 20:22SPEAKER_02: John, you're still a young man, but you've moved, right?
- 20:28SPEAKER_02: And you've moved a lot and had your family stuff upturned?
- 20:35for sure yeah i mean i i appreciate so much terry um launching
- 20:40us on this topic
- 20:41with such a tender place in her heart i am super thankful i
- 20:45think it's something
- 20:46that that if it hasn't happened it will happen to everybody and
- 20:50it may not be a
- 20:51SPEAKER_03: spouse but it'll be someone else
- 20:53and and uh there will be those times when you will think and i
- 20:59just want to say
- 20:59this so matter of factly because we danced around this a little
- 21:02bit if in your
- 21:03grief you are uh working your way through the christmas holiday
- 21:08season without the
- 21:09SPEAKER_03: usual splendor and joy and reverence of
- 21:14of past holiday seasons God doesn't love you less for that like
- 21:17you're not
- 21:18disappointed in in your you know in your festivity meter
- 21:24whatever that is and in
- 21:26fact he's walking with you every step of the way and my my
- 21:32question for you and for
- 21:34SPEAKER_03: both of you is knowing that this really applies to everybody
- 21:39what are a couple of helpful or even unhelpful ways if we know
- 21:44people that are
- 21:45walking through this first Christmas or this second Christmas
- 21:48that we can be
- 21:49supportive or say because it is a hard area for friends as well
- 21:53how do I how do I
- 21:54help without being nosy what do I say without being you know
- 21:59critical or what so
- 22:01what are a couple of helpful or even unhelpful ways that we
- 22:05should keep in mind
- 22:07SPEAKER_02: That's a great question.
- 22:08SPEAKER_02: I'm going to let Terry answer first.
- 22:10SPEAKER_00: It is a great question.
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: And early on with the loss of Jonathan and as present as I was,
- 22:25I did think about people around me and how they were maybe
- 22:31struggling to relate to
- 22:33SPEAKER_00: me or to
- 22:34but what came to my mind was the word prayer for me obviously
- 22:43if someone's praying
- 22:44for me that's about as good as it gets but the word presence
- 22:49like the ministry of
- 22:50presence and presence does not it isn't narrowly defined as to
- 22:56sitting across from
- 22:57SPEAKER_00: me and holding my hands in my house it is a text message
- 23:03I think less words more ways to show presence because words
- 23:08were kind of shooting
- 23:09in the dark and we don't really have a basis even if we've been
- 23:13through something
- 23:14similar it's still another person hearkening back to what Tim
- 23:18said earlier as many
- 23:20SPEAKER_00: ways to grieve as there are people so as a matter of fact today
- 23:28SPEAKER_00: 一位一位朋友在我的社群中,就在我社群中,你不需要回答,没有想法,
- 23:40I'm thinking about you and you are in capital letters loved and
- 23:46I thought she just
- 23:48that bullseye like like there there is no expectation really
- 23:53not from me because I
- 23:55know that there aren't any real words you know what I mean
- 24:03there's nothing that can
- 24:04SPEAKER_00: really
- 24:05但是那些信息,我们在社交社会,我们在社交社会,他们接到我们的信息,甚至说,你不需要回答应,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息,我认为这些信息
- 24:35SPEAKER_00: 你不想去吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯吃飯
- 24:59今天是非常棒的,而且它做了我,我认识,它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,但它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,但它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意,它做了我的心意
- 25:22but i i also feel and i don't mean to diminish this to
- 25:27something so this is for the
- 25:29individual to something as simple as this but music does
- 25:34amazing things and i've
- 25:38been playing this doesn't answer your question directly john
- 25:42but i've been playing
- 25:44SPEAKER_00: christmas music um and uh
- 25:50SPEAKER_00: 就是这个意义的平衡上的意义你那里的意义那里的意义那里的意义
- 26:00I don't know if that answered your question.At least for sure
- 26:04is just presence and
- 26:06whatever way that looks like for you and no pressure on the
- 26:11person that's that's
- 26:12trying to be there for somebody else either.I think that's the
- 26:16biggest thing I
- 26:17could say is there's pressure on both sides and keeping it kind
- 26:21of simple and
- 26:22SPEAKER_00: honest and without weight.
- 26:25but yet a quiet presence that demonstrates I'm thinking about
- 26:32you and I'm thinking about you.
- 26:35SPEAKER_00: And I think that covers so much,
- 26:37SPEAKER_00: more than one would expect of a grieving person on holidays,
- 26:42SPEAKER_00: I think.
- 26:43I think that is really helpful because a lot of times we just
- 26:48don't know what to do.
- 26:50SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 26:50SPEAKER_02: And then we end up saying things that are
- 26:54SPEAKER_02: 嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯
- 27:22you have with the person right if you're really close to this
- 27:25personyou do want to
- 27:29just because you love that person want to make sure they're
- 27:32doing okayand sometimes
- 27:35people who are grieving not everybody but sometimes people are
- 27:38grieving needs
- 27:40somebody to make sure they're okaysher right some people are
- 27:43pretty they can kind
- 27:45SPEAKER_02: of manage they've got whatever skillsyou
- 27:49and i'm not quite sure how you do it but but um if you sense
- 27:52there's a friend who's
- 27:55really stuck in their grief and sometimes people just get stuck
- 28:00there um to find
- 28:03gracious ways to say are you doing okay um how can i help um
- 28:12and and maybe there
- 28:12may come points where you know if they've sat in their house
- 28:16for a month and
- 28:16SPEAKER_02: haven't gone out um
- 28:20to be able to say i just want you know i'm here for you but uh
- 28:24i think you might
- 28:26want to take a shower or you know get have something to eat how
- 28:30can i help you it's
- 28:32kind of tricky but when there are those people who are stuck in
- 28:37their grief they
- 28:38SPEAKER_02: don't know they're stuck in their grief right um
- 28:42or maybe they don't realize that they've been there really long
- 28:46not that the grief
- 28:47is wrong but that they've got to come up for some air once in a
- 28:50while and maybe
- 28:52need one trusted friend to sort of say I want to come and sit
- 28:56with you for a few
- 28:56minutes so this is just talking pastorally but then there's a
- 28:59reality of someone
- 29:01SPEAKER_02: who's going through the grief and how you receive that and hear it
- 29:06I have retreated and I am seeing someone so I do have a
- 29:16counselor that was a trauma
- 29:19SPEAKER_00: grief person recommended and I will say to the term stuck
- 29:28SPEAKER_00: 中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛
- 29:56I think that...I had a youth pastor that lives here in Arizona
- 30:03now.He was from
- 30:03California.He reached out to me about two months after Jonathan
- 30:08died.And he said,I
- 30:10am...he forewarned me,which I thought was wonderful.Because it
- 30:14wasn't this
- 30:15coercive,manipulative,little passive.You know,like he just came
- 30:20out and said,
- 30:21I need to ask you it's the pastor in me or it's the friend in
- 30:25me or whatever are
- 30:28you resting are you eating are you and and that was like up
- 30:34front and I knew I
- 30:36it validated everything i didn't feel like i was put on the
- 30:41spot i didn't feel he
- 30:42was being intrusive it's i so i think the more the more honest
- 30:46everybody is with
- 30:48one another the better because it is hard and awkward i will
- 30:52say though if and i
- 30:53don't think that i'm there uh at this point i've had others
- 30:57that think that i am
- 30:58SPEAKER_00: but i'm the only one with my journey right um
- 31:01um a lot of observers say things and they're really lucky that
- 31:05i have held my job
- 31:09but um i if there's signs and i that might require a profession
- 31:16like a a pastor
- 31:17like yourself someone that that would say i am a little
- 31:22concerned about them um and
- 31:24i don't know a time frame can necessarily judge it you could be
- 31:28super concerned
- 31:29at eight weeks and then or super concerned two years three
- 31:33years later that's right
- 31:34um but i think that just one of those reach outs um and as
- 31:40forthrightly as possible
- 31:42to see if they are that individual is is doing okay you know um
- 31:49and okay is loose
- 31:51SPEAKER_00: right but uh
- 31:53I think it's a great question I just think it's sort of maybe a
- 31:57little tenuous
- 31:58because there's a lot of room you I would want to give someone
- 32:02in a length of time
- 32:04SPEAKER_00: I think that there's this idea that there's something magical and a
- 32:13SPEAKER_00: 一年一
- 32:27I think Terry your your friend did it exactly right yeah rather
- 32:32than saying I'm
- 32:34concerned about you to say let me ask you how you're doing are
- 32:38you eating are you
- 32:40you know are you able to get around the house are you right you
- 32:43know open whatever
- 32:44questions you want to ask so it's not saying I think there's
- 32:47something wrong with
- 32:48you correct I want to make sure you're okay right right and
- 32:51then you just have to
- 32:52SPEAKER_02: allow the grieving person
- 32:55SPEAKER_02: 但但但但但但但但但但但但但但但但但
- 33:01and may need somebody to intervene but that's where you've got
- 33:04to be close enough
- 33:06and loving enough to know how to do it and maybe even seek some
- 33:09information from
- 33:11someone that counsels grievers what would be the best questions
- 33:18for me to ask my
- 33:20dear friend Terry I've sensed that it might be worth a check in
- 33:25but I think from
- 33:27SPEAKER_00: the get go
- 33:29我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事,我做了一件事
- 33:55SPEAKER_02: yes not okay as in am I doing okay yes
- 33:59right he's right he's forcing me to come to terms with how i'm
- 34:03grieving exactly and
- 34:05i was so tickled that he did that at that time too and then of
- 34:10course my counselor
- 34:12um who has is witnessing me on a regular basis sees that i'm
- 34:17okay but early on when
- 34:20you know he didn't know me as well and um and i was staying
- 34:25home and i was
- 34:26SPEAKER_00: explaining
- 34:27why now i'm a thinker and i'm really i really go over in my
- 34:31head everything that i
- 34:32kind of choose to do um and then some but he he did say now he
- 34:39he he had to ask are
- 34:40you feeling like you could go out if you yeah wanted to you
- 34:46know and um i had to
- 34:49SPEAKER_00: think about that yeah yep
- 34:51Terry,I have a song I'm going to play for us as we wrap up our
- 34:55Christmas season,but
- 34:56I want to kind of give you the final word.What would you say to
- 35:05people like you who
- 35:06are grieving about Jesus and Christmas in the midst of
- 35:13grief?Sorry,my heart is so
- 35:17SPEAKER_00: tender.
- 35:21to anyone who's in this space right now but sit i would say
- 35:29what i tell myself i
- 35:33told myself this this morning sit quietly in the presence of
- 35:42jesus that was the you
- 35:46SPEAKER_00: know the season he came in the story is
- 35:50SPEAKER_00: as we read last week in such a beautiful depiction and a powerful one,
- 35:59but that Prince of Peace is the giver of a peace that the
- 36:05scripture says passes all
- 36:08SPEAKER_00: understanding.
- 36:09and whatever that means for you in sitting with the Prince of
- 36:17Peace I would just
- 36:18either start there or end there in your day because he Jesus
- 36:25meets me where I don't
- 36:28SPEAKER_00: sometimes even know where I'm at and he is love he is grace and
- 36:40definitely understanding and um an ever present friend so
- 36:52that's what i would say
- 36:55yeah and said well yeah amen well done terry um years ago when
- 37:02i was in high school
- 37:04SPEAKER_02: uh we uh our choir which is where i met jan
- 37:09SPEAKER_02: 优优独播剧场——
- 37:23SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 37:23When my mom died several years ago we were all together and so
- 37:27we went in the
- 37:27SPEAKER_02: recording studio and recorded it just so that we would have it.
- 37:30SPEAKER_01: Oh cool.
- 37:31And then during COVID we sang it again and we got some other
- 37:34family members to join
- 37:35SPEAKER_02: us and we made a video of it so it's kind of us singing on singing.
- 37:39and as our little Christmas Merry Christmas to you we're going
- 37:43to close with that
- 37:44this is us singing the benediction you're going to hear four
- 37:49notes we forgot to
- 37:51edit out on this one that's just to give us the pitch because
- 37:54it's sung Acapulca
- 37:55and so John Terry Merry Christmas Merry Christmas Merry
- 38:01Christmas Merry Christmas
- 38:02to all of our friends thank you for listening and we'll be back
- 38:06with you next time
- 38:09优优独播剧场——YoYo Television Series Exclusive
- 38:20The Lord lift His countenance upon youAnd give you peaceAnd
- 38:35give you peaceThe Lord
- 38:38SPEAKER_01: make His face to shine upon youAnd be gracious unto you
- 38:47SPEAKER_01: and be gracious, the Lord be gracious, gracious unto you.
- 39:03SPEAKER_01: Amen.
- 39:05SPEAKER_01: Amen.
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