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- Alex Skinner: Well. to another edition of the Unsexy Podcast where we talk about the unsexy side of everything's, the unsexy side of everything. I am Alex Skinner, as always joined by my brother Aaron Skinner. Today we're talking about something that I went off on in one of our previous podcasts for a minute because they're starting to cost the American taxpayer. Yeah, that's what I call us, the American taxpayer, more money. GLP-1s. I don't really have a whole lot of experience with GLP-1s. I'm very familiar with them. I didn't know that they were I'm used to them being called things like Ozempic. What are other names? Aaron Skinner: You have Ozempic, you have Wagovi, ⁓ Zepbound. ⁓ What's the other one? I think Zepbound, so there's GLP-1 and GLP-2. I think GLP-2, I think that's Zepbound. ⁓ And then there's, yeah, there's a couple of other ones too that I can't think off the top of my head. Monjuro! Alex Skinner: as if, as if. Megalotude with go be is epic right Belsa's zip down Manjaro. Yep. ⁓ Yeah, I've been seeing that upon a bunch during the NBA playoffs, I think The only time I ever watch advertising. But why are we talking about this today? It's a very hot topic, people trying to decide if this is a route that they would take or a route that they would not take. For a really quick description of how GLP-1s work, essentially what happens is it ⁓ stimulates insulin release, when glucose is high, so that will slow your digestion, keep you full longer, and then it also will reduce your hunger cravings. So if you're someone who's looking to lose weight, this is perfect because if you don't have, if your appetite is being suppressed and you don't have those natural cravings that you're going to have, you're going to eat less, you eat less, you're at a calorie deficit, you're at a calorie deficit, eventually you start to see that weight go away. But there are some downsides to it. Aaron, do you know what the downsides to them? Aaron Skinner: Yes. ⁓ do I know about the downsides? Not because, ⁓ sorry, drinking an energy drink. ⁓ Not because I actually, I was very tempted to do a GLP one. Actually, the one that I was going to do was ZipBound. ⁓ The main reason I didn't do, well, there's two reasons I didn't do it. The first one, was like $500 a month, which is like, ⁓ you know. That's not that maybe some people think that's a lot of money and maybe some people understand that is a lot of money. it's one of those. I want to get into it anyway. So that, and the other thing too, is I had a buddy that did, it wasn't ZEPP on, he did another GLP one and, ⁓ he was, you know, he was pretty overweight and I hadn't seen him in a while. And then when I saw him again, he lost a bunch of weight, which is fantastic, but he looked. Gaunt. He looked sickly. I actually, I thought he had like, like cancer or something like that. Just like that, that kind of like, just like emaciated kind of look to him. Um, and then, you know, obviously I'm not going to say, man, haven't seen you in six months. You have cancer. Yeah. And so I was just like, I was like, Hey man, you know, you lost some weight, you know, you've been working out what you've been doing. He's like, yeah, dude, I hopped on, I hopped on a Zempik and dropped a bunch of weight. I'm like, is that guy? love it. Alex Skinner: How's the cancer? ⁓ Aaron Skinner: and it's great. Losing weight is always fantastic. I'm sure his health markers and like his blood pressure and ⁓ all the the bad fats in his cholesterol were down. ⁓ But I didn't want to look like that. Like I didn't want to just lose weight and then just be like super skinny and you know whatever. So that's the main reason why I didn't take it. So I guess that actually ties into the downside of taking a GLP-1. It's great because you lose your those cravings, right? So you're losing your cravings, which was my biggest issue. Like I just would essentially binge eat. Or if I was bored or doing whatever, would just like not even binge, just like graze, eating or whatever. But the problem with all of a sudden you're cutting your calories to this like crazy deficit is When you're losing weight, you're not just losing fat. That would be perfect. If they had the pill or that injection and it guaranteed all you're losing was fat, that's a perfect world. What actually happens is you lose fat, you lose muscle, you lose bone density. And the people are seeing this a lot more and more now that it's been out for a while of the, the, the, those are the big consequences of it. And so you're losing all this muscle, you're losing bone density, and then you, Let's say like, well, I got to my goal weight. Let's say I wanted to get to two. Let's say for me, I wanted to get to 200 pounds. Great. I'm going to stop taking ozembic. I've lost again, lost a bunch of muscle, bunch of bone density because I've lost so much muscle. My, my resting metabolic rate has just plummeted because the more muscle you have, the more of a resting metabolic rate you're going to have, meaning you're going to burn more calories doing nothing. So because I lost all of that muscle, I come off that drug, I start eating again, ⁓ I'm gonna gain that weight back really much faster than I ever would have if I didn't do that. ⁓ And so that's the big downside of doing it. Now there's ways that you can prevent that from happening. And that's what we talk about all the time, know, exercising, lifting weights. The main thing is making sure that you have enough protein. That's like the big thing, like to mitigate that muscle loss. So you need to make sure you enough protein and you're doing some form of resistance training. Alex Skinner: All the people that I know though, I mean, yes, do that, what Erin said. All the people that I know don't, that hunger craving really does go away. So like the people that you talk to, like how are they even getting enough energy or the right amount of nutrients to, like essentially you just force feed yourself to be able to do workouts, to be able to do the things that you're also losing, you're, everyone that I've talked to, like it feels like a chore to eat to them. Aaron Skinner: Yeah, that's probably because their dosing is too high because if you are dosing it right, you should be able to still eat something. if your dose is, if you're doing like, do they, I like the dosing is you start at like one milligram ⁓ a week and they have you do that for like four weeks and then they bumped up to two and then four. goes up to like, I want to say 12 or 16 grams or milligrams that you're taking. ⁓ And so if you just keep going like, I think that, and that's the problem, man. The problem is like, I don't want to be hungry. I, all right, yes, I don't want to ever be hungry. And so that's how I felt. was like, I just don't want to be hungry. I just want to lose weight and I'll just do that instead of, instead of ⁓ like measuring it. like, I'm still hungry, but I'm not overeating ⁓ is, how you would have to do that. But I just think people are so desperate to lose weight. And if you can take the biggest hurdle, a way of just not ever being hungry, great news. You can lose a bunch of weight and a lot of that weight is going to be your muscle. ⁓ But that's, I think that's a doubt you'd have to really dial in the dosage that you're taking just to make sure like, yes, I still have hunger, but it's not that overwhelming hunger where I just don't eat anything all day long. Alex Skinner: I wonder if this is such a new trend that we'll start to see, almost similar to as people start to go off, that they start seeing those calories, or not seeing those calories, but see the weight come back faster because their RMR has gone down. I wonder if we're at too early of a point where... Aaron Skinner: Mm-hmm. Alex Skinner: We don't know all of the long-term side effects. And I don't mean in a super negative way, like, ⁓ this actually is gonna cause cancer. I just mean how it actually works in practice, because I know very few people who've done it. Some of them still look great, and then others of them got fat again. Aaron Skinner: Mm-hmm. Alex Skinner: And so if like the entire point of this thing is like, it helps me lose weight fast. Like essentially what you're doing is you're just super charging instead of like, ⁓ it's going to take me 30 days or 40 days or 60 days to like start losing weight. Like I lose it really fast, but you're still going to balloon or what's that called? Yo-yo. So it's going to be like yo-yo dieting or like, all right, now I got to get back on. Now I get back off. So I I go back to habits are probably always going to be the best thing to start, to start using because I know Aaron that you, they like, Aaron Skinner: Mm-hmm. Yo-yo, yes. Yes. Alex Skinner: like whatever's gonna help you lose weight, like do that thing. But I would assume you'd also say like, but you also need to start building other types of things along with that because like I said, the people that I know, it does not seem to last for very long and they all look really, really weird, like really weird. ⁓ And so, we were talking before about how like people that have been reaching out to Aaron about... One-on-one training with him. It was just like I wonder why people are like so much more willing to do that than another Another thing and it's the aesthetic look that's like the thing where I wonder if people gonna stop like get off the GLP one thing because it's very obvious Like it's like that gaunt look that you're talking about almost goo ghoulish Aaron Skinner: Yeah. Yes. It's like, it's like the, yeah. And then your eyes are sunken in. Yeah. Yeah. Alex Skinner: wonder if we're gonna start seeing people pull away or figuring something else because most people, I just see a lot of people criticizing that overall look. it's like, congratulations on losing the weight, but you look sick. Aaron Skinner: call it dude there's a name for it they call it Ozempic face like they literally already have a name for it like they called like ⁓ that guy's got no he's got yeah he's got the Ozempic face yeah the wrong kind of O face ⁓ but yeah sorry Alex Skinner: The new O-Face. Well, do you know, have they like started like Dewey, because another reason that you may not want to do this is it requires injections. So any of you who are like afraid of needles, I've been trying to do research to find, because I could have swore like the commercials that I've been seeing, they look like a pill. Aaron Skinner: They came out with a new one that's a pill that you can take. Yeah. Yeah. Alex Skinner: They did they just okay. So now they have the pill So for those of you who are afraid of needles and are also lazy and don't want to do hard work There's a pill form for that now. That's what's kind of crazy It's like we're essentially like living Wally like all of it I love how I love with like predictions like obviously Star Wars didn't predict the cell phone or like, know all these history things like they missed out on the smartphone that we were gonna end up having but in terms of like understanding human nature I feel like we got it wrong when I got it right when it comes to like dying Or just like if I could just take a pill it's almost like the Jim Gaffigan joke if I could just go like this Then I would eat cheese The reason that I say that is now they have the pill form because people are too scared to like I'd use it I'll give you billions of dollars as the American consumer the world consumer if you'll put it into a pill I don't know where I'm going with this, but ⁓ I just wanted to like make sure people knew that there was now that option in case they wanted to do it Aaron Skinner: Yeah, yeah. And the, the, all right. So there's a bunch of different things to that. the interesting thing is when they were doing the initial study of the GLP ones, the, they did it in concurrence with, with like a trainer essentially. So you had, you had like a doctor monitor everything. They were making sure you're getting your exercise done and, everything like that. So it was all, it wasn't just like, take this. You don't have to do anything. There might have been some other studies that did that, but the main one they had like monitoring, making sure they were working out. There was accountability. You were checking in with people. ⁓ And so that was the way that it would actually work. And maybe in that study, they didn't see as much muscle loss. And so that's why it's like, it's so important that you're not just taking the medication that you're taking it. you're doing some sort of resistance training, some sort of definitely resistance training. would say any sort of exercise, but definitely resistance training to maintain your muscle. And then also, like I said, they were being held accountable for, they were being held accountable to somebody. So they were always checking in. So you need those, you need those things in order to make this actually successful. I, and the other thing too, so going away from that is they're coming out with new ones. There's a, You had GLP one, there's GLP two, there's a GLP three, it's called Reddit True Tide. And that one's supposed to help you retain your muscle. have a buddy that just hopped on it. And so that one is actually supposed to, can't remember, I've read a ton about this and I don't remember the technical terms for it. ⁓ But essentially it helps preserve your muscle while you're losing weight is the benefit of taking Reddit True Tide. So maybe they've figured that part out, but my thing is still like, You still got to you still got to build muscle like I'm not saying you have to be like super jacked, but just some sort of resistance. Try to push ups. Go do some push ups at your house. Do some sit ups. Do some whatever. Do some bodyweight squats like do just some sort of resistance training and it's going to mitigate a lot of the downsides of taking taking this and enough protein and. I was gonna say real quick and like the recommended so. Alex Skinner: limited amount of ⁓ go ahead Aaron Skinner: It's kind of controversial, but a of people are like, all right, so the amount of protein you're supposed to take is it's like 0.7 to a point or 0.7 to one gram of protein per body weight. But I always looked at it as like I wanted 0.7 to one gram per pound of body weight that I wanted to actually be at. So at 270 pounds, I wasn't taking 270 grams of protein. I was always taking around 200 to 210 grams a day. So that's how I looked at it and it worked. So that's that's what I would. That's what I would aim for as far as protein consumption, if that's a question that people have. Alex Skinner: Yeah, as I'm looking at doing like the limited research that I did, because I like coming into these knowing as little as possible. so if there's so, so, so I can ask questions when I like don't know stuff like I do want to say like, if you're like, like near death, or like, like your health is in like serious peril, you probably should get on GLP ones, like in terms of the like, where I see like the net benefit from it like you've gotten to a point where it's like, you Aaron Skinner: so we can educate people. Alex Skinner: are on your way to heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, you name it, you should definitely be getting on these things because as much as I, it's like we talked about on a previous podcast, as much as I'm just like, I hate that so many people are, because a lot of people are doing it out of laziness, but I do think there are a lot of people who also doing it for like the health benefits that are going to come from it for them long-term, from how they've been living their life previously. I would much rather have people on GLP ones than be obese. But in most of my experience, I'm not seeing tons of obese people do it. It literally is the people like, I just want to look a little bit better. I'm like, just go to the gym. I know how often you go to the gym. It's zero times a week. And if you just went to the gym four times a week, I think you'd be fine. I know people who go to the gym less than that, one to three times a week, and they look great. Aaron Skinner: Sure, yes. Right, right. Yeah. Alex Skinner: Like they look fantastic. It's because they're doing some sort of activity besides just sitting at home, they're sitting or sitting at work and then they go home, driving in a car, sitting, get home, sit down, eat food, sit down, watch whatever it is. Like just do something active. Like I'm not the most active person in the world, but I'm definitely moving and I have all of the data to prove it on my aura ring. like. Aaron Skinner: Yes. Alex Skinner: That's the thing that I'm most concerned about whenever it's stuff like this. You still have to treat the root cause. The root cause is you're a lazy motherfucker. That's the root cause. That's how you get, and I know from Alex, and I know people are gonna say, it's like genetic. I prove me wrong. Somebody in the comments find me the person like I don't think you're going to get to be 500 pounds just genetics alone. Like like it regardless of how tall you are, regardless of what nation you hail from, regardless of whatever like it takes work. Laziness is what I mean by that. It takes work to get to that heavy of a weight. Like, ⁓ look at you with your skinny privilege over there. like, there are fat people in my family. There are skinny people in my family. So I know this is why I'm like so passionate about it, where it's just like the people who put in the work. Look, look healthier. The people who don't put in the work don't. And so that's like my big takeaway of all of this is just like, if you do it, also make sure you're building in other habits so that this never happens. You never need it again. Like you shouldn't have to be on these the rest of your life. And I think some people are treating it like that. Aaron Skinner: Yeah, that's, there's, especially if you're staying on it the rest of your life and you're not doing resistance training and getting your protein in, you're just gonna waste away essentially. The only pushback I would give is I do believe that there is a thing as food addiction where, and because I, that's, I was due that. I definitely had a, if it wasn't a high level of food addiction, it was a moderate level of food addiction where ⁓ I would just be Jones and for the next dopamine hit of pizza or ice cream or whatever it was. And so the, people that maybe, cause I see it too. I see people that go to the gym all the time and they look the exact same. What's the, what's, what is the problem there? It's their nutrition. And so Alex Skinner: nutrition. Aaron Skinner: if they could get the, if they could fix that one part where it's like, I love going to the gym. I love working out. I can't not eat. it's whatever. I mean, it's, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, I'm sure we could, we could argue about ⁓ how legitimate that is or not, but the, the legitimacy is that there are people definitely out there that struggle with that. So if that's one of those things where you already have, especially if you already have the habits of going to the gym and doing all that. Like, but that's the only thing holding you back from, from getting shredded or to get into where you want to be. ⁓ then go ahead and I would just always say like, start at the lowest dose possible. Don't don't all of a sudden, like you're used to eating 3000 calories and your body's used to that. Your body's used to you going to the gym. And then all of sudden you're eating a thousand and then not think there's going to be some pretty negative, ⁓ repercussions of doing that. And not only that dude, like we didn't even talk about just like nutrients in general. mean, I'm like Harpadon protein, but like your body needs a ton of different nutrients and there's no way you're getting all that if you're eating a thousand calories a day. So yes, you are getting rid of a lot of those really bad, deadly diseases like heart disease and things like that by dropping the weight. like what I just, I just. Thought about right now, like, but what other diseases are you going to get? Are you going to get scurvy? Because, because you just don't eat anything ever. Like I just like, what are like, what are those other diseases? Like what are those mal malnutrition diseases just because you're all of a sudden not getting enough of vitamin C or vitamin D or any of the vitamins. It's that's another thing you got to think about too. It's not just wasted away your muscle, but it's, you're going to have these deficiencies in all those different nutrients and vitamins and everything that you need. Alex Skinner: You Aaron Skinner: and that can't be a good thing. actually really, I haven't even looked into that aspect. I'm always about, you gotta build muscle. You gotta get muscle and you gotta get strong. But like, in all honesty, that's probably another angle to look at it as well. And I don't think it's as easy like, just take a multivitamin. That's all I gotta do. like, don't make me get into multivitamin. I do take one. But it's like, what are those things like? I also take one, I'm always just like, this probably doesn't do anything. There's been so many studies that these are all bullshit. But I do try and get most. Alex Skinner: Just in case. Aaron Skinner: Just in case, ⁓ I do eat, for the most part, a pretty ⁓ whole food based diet, which always sounded so gross to me when I was fat. But this is what we go back to all the time, Alex. Find out what you like. There are whole foods that can... I think people hear whole foods and you think you're just gonna eat a tomato. Like you're just gonna grab a tomato and you're just gonna eat that or just a big pile of lettuce and that's... I don't know if that's how you think, what do think whole foods? But whatever it is like, you got to eat whole foods. Like I immediately think that like, I just have to eat like a big carrot and then like an onion and that's whole foods. Like you could still prepare whole foods and make them taste delicious. Like it doesn't, we're not saying you have to eat raw whole foods. Find recipes that you like ⁓ with the whole foods that you like and make that kind of stuff. And then like Alex, like you do like, and then food prep it. There's this, idea that it's just well it's a lot of effort but when you really break down the amount of time that you're saving by doing that food prep there's no reason not to do it there really isn't ⁓ but if you don't want to do that fine maybe you love cooking every night cool but just find the foods that you like to eat that stay within the macros that you want to stay in so you can lose weight and you can gain muscle or make or maintain muscle And that's, that's, it's funny. It's like, this isn't a secret. People have known this for a very, very long time, but I just think it's, it's a good reminder for people that are in that journey. Alex Skinner: Well, I like talking about GLP ones because I've like essentially the older you get, the more fads you live through. Right. You're just like, ⁓ like, you know, yo-yos always make a comeback, like every seven to eight years where kids are like, Hey, we love playing with yo-yos pogs. Yo different from yo-yos. Yo-yos literally yo-yo come back and forth. But I just remember. Aaron Skinner: Yeah. Alex Skinner: when it was like all about like no fat, the 90s, like no fat, no fat, no fat, no fat. So what'd you do? You went and got your, what got your ⁓ non-fat ⁓ soft serve, non-fat soft serve that was just pumped full of sugar. Aaron Skinner: Mm-hmm. Alex Skinner: And then then then we then we learned that sugar at that high of a level is not that great for you. So then everyone, because sugar is a carbohydrate, everyone's like, no carbs, no carbs, because because we were doing no fat and then we had all this sugar in it. Then all of a sudden we're just like, ⁓ carbs are actually bad. So you have like the ⁓ keto diets and those types of things. And now it's like, what I'm happy about it is I do feel like we're getting to a place where like there are more, there are fewer like fads, if that makes sense and more just like overall health and nutrition. So it's like easier than ever to like eat healthy. ⁓ because one thing that I have to, ⁓ because we were raised on like a lot of processed foods, just so everyone knows like what whole foods means is just not super processed, like not super processed, like in it's as close to natural state as possible. And so like we grew up on Kraft macaroni and cheese with a can of chili. Those things are not whole foods. So look for like, but that doesn't mean you can't make macaroni and cheese with chili. That isn't a whole foods version of it. And if you make a schist ton of it, boom, you got your food prep going on. So don't be, don't be scared of, of, of that phrase where it's just like, I have to give up. Like we make Whole food pizza. ⁓ If you want to call it that way, we make the dough from scratch, we make the sauce from scratch, like using tomatoes, cheese processed, never going to make that from scratch, but we have processed cheese on there. And then chicken that we cook at home. So there are ways of doing all of these, what people would call bad foods in a whole foods way. So don't get scared. Aaron Skinner: Hahaha Yeah. Yeah. Alex Skinner: Don't get scared. Aaron Skinner: But do you think that? I literally, whenever I hear Whole Foods, I just think of a giant basket of vegetables. That's what I think of. ⁓ Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what throws people off. Anytime like, whatever I'm talking to people like, you eat Whole Foods. And I still think that. Like just for whatever reason. Yes, seriously. Alex Skinner: I used to. Yeah. Yeah. Like because it has the word whole. So you think like it's the entirety of something. Right. Whole Foods needs a brand manager. They need someone to manage that brand to better get that message out. Aaron Skinner: For whatever reason, I just think of like the cornucopia, like the Thanksgiving thing of just all of the different vegetables being in there. Like I have to only eat. But again, I'm going to repeat myself. It's not raw. You don't have to eat everything raw. That's not what we're saying because that would be miserable. Except for fruit. I could do a lot of raw fruit. love, I mean, you're really cooking fruit. Is anyone, that a thing? I don't know, whatever. ⁓ Yeah, yeah, guess. Yeah. Alex Skinner: Yeah. Just apple pie, right? I'll think on it. Aaron Skinner: I'm sure there are ways. I know there's ways of cooking fruit, but like for the most part, people are just eating that raw. ⁓ but yeah, the, the, you, you have to get that out of your mind because I, I, I fall into that too. When I w for whatever reason, that's what I think of when I hear whole foods is like, I have to eat raw. And that's not what we're saying. ⁓ it's just finding what you like to eat that you already said this finding what you like to eat that stays within your macro. So you can maintain your weight or. Build muscle. Like that's all you have to do. Problem solved. Alex Skinner: and Well, and giving, if people are trying to get off the GLP ones, like stop eating fast food. It's really hard, like fast food is literally, I hate this because I love fast food. I love In-N-Out Burger. I love Chick-fil-A on occasion. I love a Carl's Jr. Spicy Chicken Sandwich to take. Do you remember having to drive me to Carl's Jr. to get Spicy Chicken Sandwiches? I'd buy one of them, but make someone drive me so I could get a 99 cent. I think we just spent more on gas to get. Anyway, fast food is literal. Aaron Skinner: Yes. Yes. Ahaha! Alex Skinner: once you start tracking, once you start tracking food, you realize like, ⁓ shit, a cheesy bean and rice burritos 500 calories and it has 1300 grams or milligrams of sodium. Just like, ⁓ all right. Great. Aaron Skinner: Yeah, a sodium. Dude, the sodium's real, dude. I mean, you start getting to macros, we're getting to the micros. It was interesting. I weighed myself the other day. I have an issue where I don't eat enough and sometimes I will, just because of video editing and stuff like that, I just get locked in and I forget to eat, which never happened ever in my life. But anyway, and so I ate late, later. I ate at, I think it was like seven or eight. I hadn't eaten. I think I had like 800 calories up to that point and I'm supposed to be at 3000. So my coach was going to get really mad at me. Um, and so just ate something really quick and it was, it was, it was whole food stuff, but it also had a lot of sodium in it. Um, and the next day I weighed like two, I, I had weighed in the day before at two Oh two. And then I waited the next day. It was two Oh six. And I was just like, Oh my God. And then this morning I weighed at, I was two or 2.5. So it was just, Alex Skinner: Okay. Aaron Skinner: That's another reminder too, like don't let the scale freak you out. Also, weigh yourself, weigh yourself. But don't let it freak you out when something like that happens. Like I just realized, I know I ate a very sodium heavy meal the night before, late at night. That's all this is, is just all the sodium that's in my body, all the water retention. And then I went back to baseline the next day. ⁓ But yeah, just measure. Alex Skinner: But you don't know that if you don't track. Aaron Skinner: You gotta track stuff, man. Alex Skinner: I know we're back on the tracking thing, but I think this ties into the GLP-1, at least my argument for the GLP-1 thing. You need to be building other habits as well. If you are a person who is just like, GLP-1, lose weight, I don't empathize, don't feel good about you at all and the amount of money that you're inevitably going to cost me as ⁓ a taxpaying American, insurance paying American. Aaron Skinner: Yes. But that's the, I don't even really blame the people. I'm blaming the pharmaceutical companies that, and maybe they do. Yes, just give it to people. And the doctors that just give it to people. It should have something, and like I said, maybe it does now, but it should have some sort of like, you wanna take this, but you need to make sure you're hitting these macros every day and then checking in. that, again, it goes back to... Alex Skinner: Just like give it to people like, here's some candy. Aaron Skinner: some sort of someone that can, like accountability. You obviously have to be accountable to yourself first, but if you don't have someone that you can ⁓ kind of almost report into or hold you accountable when you're screwing up, you're gonna fail. And so anyway, so that's, I do blame the pharmaceutical companies for this because they're just like, sweet. And like I said in the beginning, all the main trial that was done was done under like, the supervision of these nutritionists, of these doctors, of these, all these people. And so yes, they had the, they had all of the ⁓ help that they needed. These people in the trial had all the help that they needed while they were losing that weight. But now they're just like, sweet, here you go, good luck. This will definitely make you lose weight. Like don't build habits, don't do this, don't get better at that. You'll lose weight. Alex Skinner: Yeah, and I, because I always like go back to the like, because I don't hold myself personally accountable a lot. And so that's why I'm like, so that's why I'm so hard on people. Because I'm just like, it's more of like a me projecting onto everybody else. Like, I know it's because you're just lazy, because that's it. I don't think this is like an apples to apples comparison. And I don't think you would agree with this either. But it's like, it's also like the reason that I like I don't blame gun companies for shootings. Aaron Skinner: and that weight is your muscle. Mm-hmm. Alex Skinner: Like, like, like, I think people need to take accountability for all of their actions. If somebody steals your gun like you're like, but but also I don't think I'm also disagreeing with you necessarily. It's just I am so much more on the fucking do it like fucking do it yourself, man. Like, why is it like like because I just hear like other people because I know I am like this. And like, I've actually want to know what I've gotten really good at not doing this. Like I really believe in like ⁓ Aaron Skinner: Sure, yeah. I get it. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I totally get it. Yeah. Alex Skinner: Accountability, what's that called? What's that book that we talked about? Radical accountability, that's not what it's called. ⁓ Aaron Skinner: Lone survivor. Alex Skinner: But I like believe in that. It's just like everything is your fault. Like I know there's like exceptions here and there, but like you can take control of your life. And I just hear people being like, well, my doctor didn't give me a plan or my doctor didn't tell me this or why would the pharmaceutical like pharmaceutical like, I'm sorry that you decided to start taking the opioids. And then they're like, well, my doctor prescribed it to me. I'm just like, that does kind of suck. Like I've seen that like I'm actually now like unproving my port. I'm just like, you just trust your doctor. So you're like, okay. doctor yes I'll do it Aaron Skinner: Well, if we learn anything, it's like when we talk about the AI thing, it's just like, it's good to have that information, but like verify all the information that you're getting. Like that's another life lesson, I guess. Like, yes, if anything, like look out, if you really want to get freaked out, look how many like ⁓ deaths happen in hospitals because of malpractice. Is that the term for that? Or just like. Alex Skinner: Yeah, malpractice. Aaron Skinner: Yes. ⁓ yeah. No, there's a ton like of like deaths and stuff that happened because like the wrong prescriptions or like in the pharmacies or the pharmacists gives you the wrong drug or the wrong, whatever. Like people make mistakes. And when, and when you have it. Alex Skinner: 251 to 400,000. Like 251,000 to 400,000 per year. Aaron Skinner: Yes. So that's what I'm saying. Like you have to, you have to do your research. Don't just blindly trust someone because they're a doctor or there or us go, go look at all this stuff. We're, not just, ⁓ making it all up. This is the other thing too, is like we've had so many, what was the stat? Alex Skinner: I can't believe like is this accurate? Like I got I got it like well because it's the third leading leading cause of death. Because it says after heart disease and cancer. ⁓ my gosh, really? I'll look. I'll look into this. This is from CNBC. Aaron Skinner: Yes, it's insane. ⁓ I don't know if that's accurate, but yeah, I. I, it's when I was looking at it, it was, ⁓ were they trying to promote some sort of business? Is that why the, trying to get a stock price to go up or down? That's why I NBC does everything. but no, that's again, this is why you have to take accountability for all of the things that you are doing because the people that live their life, just blaming everyone else for their problems, never ever succeed in life. So that's again, that's why you have to figure all this stuff out. You have to come up with your systems, your programs, however you do it. Alex Skinner: Yeah, why see a BC raid about this? Aaron Skinner: but that's what you have to do. And then what I was gonna say too, was just like, all the stuff we talk about is stuff that we have, at least with this health stuff, know, our takes on the ⁓ Iran war and stuff like that, whatever. But ⁓ we don't know that much. Anyways, but like with this, it's all stuff that we have personally gone through and personally done and ⁓ have been able to help other people ⁓ get to their health goals and things like that. So we're just not. pulling stuff out of our ass. It's for me, you know, probably 20 years of trial and error, and then finally figured it out. I'm like, I'm like Edison with the light bulb. We took was a thousand different thing, thousand different times before he figured it out. That was me with like getting in shape. It took me 20 years to finally figure it out. So if you want to spend the next 20 years trying to figure it out on your own, go for it. Or you could listen to someone that already went through that and then you can not have to waste 20 years of your life. Alex Skinner: So are you officially calling it like, are you the Thomas Edison of health and fitness? Okay. That's what I've heard. I will. just wanted to verify. Aaron Skinner: That's what they're calling me at the, at the gym. They're like, Tommy boy. I'm like, what? Like you're like the Thomas Edison of fitness. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am. ⁓ Alex Skinner: You figure it out how to track macros is just like adding filament. Thomas Edison is the light bulb, right? You said the light bulb? Okay. Aaron Skinner: Yeah, well the funny thing about it is like, I think we said this already, like we're not this nothing, we're not saying anything revolutionary. We're not saying anything that hasn't been said for probably decades by lots and lots of people. But maybe we're saying it in a different way that helps people understand it better. but, or just whatever, like, I don't know, like it's, it's, it's not new. Alex Skinner: Well, it- And maybe we should almost do like a, ⁓ we'll do this at some point, like why health is important to us because like it's because we also lived in a health centered ⁓ company that our dad worked for. Like, so like there's a lot of like those things where looking back on it, many lies were told to us. Like many lies were told to like that, that no fat thing. That was like an Herbalife thing. That was, that was people being like, ⁓ no fat. then it was okay. Aaron Skinner: Mm-hmm. Yes. Alex Skinner: for us to have those non-fat yogurts that were effing just pumped full of sugar and that was wrong. And so even though I agree with Aaron, like a lot of this stuff has been said for like forever, there's still so much misinformation and then like what's like the next little, that's why I was like with GLP ones, I'm like. Aaron Skinner: Yeah. Yes. Alex Skinner: This seems good to me compared to everything else. There doesn't seem to be like a ton of negatives. Like, you know, you get your vomiting and your diarrhea, like some of those types of side effects that come with it. yeah, which is, you know, I think that's every. Yeah. So just to everybody. Just go, just go be responsible and go enjoy your life too, because like, I think that's the, that's the thing that I. Aaron Skinner: part of the lot of the weight loss. Believer's have been over those. I've been on this for years. Alex Skinner: I fear a lot of people misunderstand whenever talking about health things, it's just like, ⁓ my gosh, this is gonna suck. This is gonna be terrible. If you're an unhappy person, you're probably gonna be unhappy one way or another, but you're probably more likely to be happier when you're doing a net positive for your body. Aaron Skinner: also don't think it's gonna take you're gonna you're gonna get into shape and be like where you want to be in six months like this is I think we talked about that with Darren's like give yourself a year of and that's especially like at our age like a year isn't long it's like almost Christmas again and I make that joke but I say it all the time and then guess what it's Christmas again yes it happens every year and so it goes by fast but if you if you actually lock in don't and don't fucking wait Alex Skinner: in Aaron Skinner: until New Year's Eve when you can, like that's when I'll start. Just start on a Friday. and, and do it that way. Like start and they're just, and then have the realistic expectation. Like this is going to take a year of, of staying disciplined. And I think people, I think people are afraid of that word. I think people are afraid of the word discipline because that means when you hear discipline, like that means I can, like you're saying Alex, I could never have cheesecake ever again. Alex Skinner: you Aaron Skinner: I could never have pizza ever again. Like I have pizza every fucking week. I have pizza with my kids every week and I don't gain weight. It's just about, but once you're tracking everything and you know what you can and can't eat, you can, you can still live a good life. Like I'm going to go to Vegas and I'm going to probably eat a lot of crappy food. Great. But I'm not going to like overeat and get to the point where I'm miserable, but I'm still going to be able to enjoy myself when I go do that. It's this, the discipline I'm talking about is, and that's the discipline. The discipline is like, I could still eat some good food. I probably don't want to eat 10,000 calories every day. That's going to make me feel miserable. And it's going to set me back three weeks. And I don't want to get set back three weeks. ⁓ But I still want to have, I still want to be able to enjoy my time while I'm there. And that's the discipline we're saying. We're not saying like, you have to only eat apples or you have to eat raw potatoes. Like it's just, it's, that's the discipline that I'm talking about is being able to like control those insane cravings and, going over, over the rails. And I think like you said one time, Alex, ⁓ probably multiple times. And just because you slip up and you eat an entire pizza and you, with a bunch of ranch that you dip it in, because you learned how to do that at Chuck E cheese, then that's, that's fine. Know that you're fucked up and then be like, all right, that happened. Let's not do that again. ⁓ let's get right back onto it. Don't feel bad for yourself and then be like, well, I guess this didn't work. ⁓ like just get right back to it, right? Just get back as, as the, ⁓ was it TLC get yourself up, brush yourself up and brush. And again, check, check, check. Was that TLC? I don't know if that was, comment below if we offended you. ⁓ but yeah, that's, that's all it is. It's just give yourself a year. Like don't, don't give you the, the, the like it took me. Alex Skinner: Let's try again. Gotta get up and try again. ⁓ Someone can reach out and tell us because I have no idea. Aaron Skinner: And I was like insanely disciplined. Like to go from 262 to where I'm at now, it was like nine months, but I did it like insanely disciplined. You don't have to do it like I did it. It's probably the better way to do it anyways and more sustainable. That's going to more realistically something to be able to stick to is like give yourself a year, get yourself into calorie deficit, track everything. It's, it's not, it's not that hard. And also the, then fuck your friends. like, it's not a big deal, man. Like just, just eat this or eat that. You wouldn't say that to your alcoholic friend who just told you, Hey man, I'm giving up alcohol. I'm an alcoholic. Like, ⁓ come on, man. It's just a beer. Seriously, bro. You. Yes. But it's, it's, it's much easier. It's much easier. Even when you see it because it's also the dude, could talk about this for you. Alex Skinner: to Fred. I mean, if you're good friend, I will say that. Aaron Skinner: a long time. It's much easier when you see someone doing something that is correct to criticize that person or try to make them feel bad about it, which is kind of a shitty thing. But like it's some of the friends kind of we bust each other's balls or whatever. But it's it's funny because once you get to that level where you are looking really good, then all of sudden they start asking questions. They say like, ⁓ like, so what what what are you doing, man? Like, you know, all that stuff that I didn't eat when I was around you, you wanted me to. That's what I was doing. Alex Skinner: Right. What's Well, dude, that's like true of everything too. Like, yeah, like you said, every good thing. Cause like even with like business related stuff where it's just like, you always have like that. We always have the story of the, the little, the little cleaning company where it's just like, Oh, and then people start to like notice, like they see the fruits of labor's coming through and they're like, Oh, how'd you do that? Aaron Skinner: Sure. Mm-hmm. Exactly. ⁓ so what, how do you build a business? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Alex Skinner: Well, hey everyone, thank you very much for chatting with us today. We will catch up with you next week. Go be unsexy