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McGuire UFO Incident - Alien Shot On Military Base · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see any negatives here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep on this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, we're jumping, we're jumping in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know everybody likes to complain about how long it takes us to get here, especially when I say it jumping right in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this specific case I'd never heard of before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I stumbled across it on an episode of bedtime stories and I kind of got to dig in through that and I found a book that also chronicles
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sort of second hand sort of first-hand this this entire encounter You can also find information on it from Reddit you can find it in weird new jersey dot com You can find it on app dot com Wikipedia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's more out there than I thought it was because I never heard of it before But it is the McGuire Air Force base incident also known as the man who shot an alien You don't hear that very often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't go wrong with
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[SPEAKER_00]: plus in a cap in an alien's ass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here for going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You hear a lot about animal mutilations and human mutilations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of incidences where we get back and get back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely not a lot of get back episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this kind of takes place from a perspective of one man, but it also involves like the perspective of a person that he interviewed, so it's kind of back and forth, but the main crux of this comes from a book that was released in 2018 titled Strange Craft, the true story of Air Force intelligence officer's life with UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was written by John L. Guerrera and the book featured interviews with retired Air Force major George Filer III.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He recounts his time in the military and his extensive six decade research into the subject of UFOs and how they really started to pop off after World War II.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One particular account that stood out of the book took place in January 18, 1978,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to kind of set up the scene, I have to paint a picture of the layout of McGuire Air Force Base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna start by telling you about Fort Dix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who named that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't me though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good name's up in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Fort Dix was established on the 16th of July, 1917 as Camp Dix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: About 18 miles southeast of Trenton, New Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Camp Dix was home to the 153 depot brigade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The role of World War I depot brigades were to receive recruits and drafts, then organize them and provide them with uniforms, equipment, and initial military training.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The depot brigades also received soldiers returning from home at the end of the war and carried out their mustrings out and discharges.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With a handling so many soldiers, a small airfield was built on the outside of the perimeter of the base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole layout of this specific base is now known as joint base, McGuire Dix Lakehurst, or JBMDL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The base is the only try service base in the United States Department of Defense and includes units from all six armed forces branches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The facility is in the malagamation of the United States Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_02]: McGuire Air Force Base, the United States Army's Force Dix, and the United States Navy's Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, which were all merged into one on October 1, 2009.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So back in 78, Fort Dix and McGuire Air Force Base were only separated by a perimeter of
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[SPEAKER_02]: So jumping into the early morning hours of January 18th, 1978, air tower controllers of Fort Dix began noticing odd radar anomalies, blips on the radar that weren't supposed to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were fully aware that the adjacent McGuire Air Force base may be running some early morning drills, so they check their memos and flight schedules and realize that they weren't any drills taking place that morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Around this time, multiple UFOs were being spotted over McGuire and Fort Dix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Air Force pilots approaching McGuire had observed strange, elongated dis-shaped crafts near the bases and radioed the tower operators who confirmed that they were tracking them on radar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At one point, one of the tower personnel stepped out on the observation deck and began to scan the sky with his binoculars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when you saw a light that stood out differently from the other air traffic surrounding the base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He described it as a circular blue green light off in the distance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sound familiar?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He reported that almost immediately upon making eye contact with the thing, it blinked out of existence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to hit a little close to home there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm familiar, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost as if it had known that it was being observed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost he described it as like someone throwing a switch, turning a light off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just blinked out of existence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as they were keeping note on their radar, they weren't necessarily too concerned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time, but they did put the word forward to have a patrol go out and check the area of the base where they thought the mysterious light was was over and around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This didn't really even peek the interest of any higher ups at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly not enough to send multiple personnel out to investigate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, it was just one military police officer who was sent out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be like to be that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go check on this UFO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm good with it because I'm being packing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So one fort next military police officer who was usually listed as anonymous, but I found sources online that said his name was John Samuels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So take that for what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's a pseudonym if it's really his name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the name that I came across.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets in his, uh, Jeep and heads to the back side of Fort Dix and search of whatever he could see what it's just trying to find out what this light anomaly is as he's going down the the dirt slash gravel road that kind of leads around the backside of the base that separates Dix from McGuire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: his radio starts to malfunction starts to get all kinds of static on his base radio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he keeps continuing off on this on this dirt road, which on one side you have the Fort Dix training area, which at night, there's not a lot going on and on the other side, you have this old, this used runway on the back of McGuire airfield, which is also like not abandoned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just don't use it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are lights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that that comes into play
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a gate five on the back of this road and it separates a Brody Road from an intersection at Texas Avenue on the base, it's just kind of given people who are familiar with the area generalization of where he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's driving along this fence perimeter that's also got a little separation of trees and as he's driving his radios starting a malfunction and then his his jeep stalls out stutters out so he's like okay classic alien engagement there it's like okay this is this is bizarre so he's trying to start his jeep up and as he looks up he sees it
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[SPEAKER_02]: cylindrical shape craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says about the same size as his patrol vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He described it as completely featureless oval shaped, emitting a blue green glow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, almost as if it was made out of a solid piece of steel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't see any rivets in it, any bolts, any seams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a solid, oblong shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that crazy that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of reports have that same description.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, and I bring that up because that suggests to me that in a lot of these reports, you are awfully damn close to these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause imagine how like what that would take to be close enough to notice that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking like in the same room close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And just to look up and see that would be
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, all I saw was a light off in the distance the other day, and I was just like mesmerized, like completely focused on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I got to give Kudos to MP Samuels because he had enough wear with all to roll down his window to see if the craft was making any noise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just kind of mentally recording what he was seeing, what he was hearing, he wanted to see if there was a propulsion system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to know how this craft was kept airborne.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as he's listening, it's just silence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He heard, he noted that he heard nothing from the craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then he said he heard from behind him what sounded like someone running in the gravel of the road by pedal footsteps in the gravel coming up on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, okay, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then all of a sudden, it goes past him and he sees what he thought was a man sprint past his patrol Jeep headed directly toward the craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't make out any details because it was dark and he just had the lights emitting from the craft because his Jeep had shut down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could see the silhouette of a person, a humanoid person, between him and the craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Immediately thinking this was some sort of security breach by maybe like a Soviet spy and considering the time period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This, it's reported that Samuel shot one round from his 45 into the air as a warning shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Other reports said that he fired at the craft, which I'm not sure which one's which, but I feel like firing at the craft is a little extreme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to say fire the warning shot into the air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Immediately when the report was going went off, the craft shot directly into the sky among 11 other crafts that he noticed as it went up there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's seen them in a formation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This thing shot directly up with them and they took off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So with a little bit of light that the craft produced now gone, Samel's got out and decided to search the area on foot, because he knew that this person did not jump into the craft, as soon as it went off, because he went from firing his gun to this thing, just disappearing, essentially, to flying off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As he scanned in the areas, looking through the trees and stuff, then he hears the footfalls again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: turns back to the road and sprinting away from him this time, he locked on the person again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he commanded them to stop, which they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This point something happened that made Samuel question, like, what he got himself into.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This person turned and ran toward the eight to ten foot tall fence separating the two bases and leaped over it without touching the fence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, damn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Landed on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah, just up and over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He approached the fence and watched as the intruder started to sprint out across the runway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The unused runway, but it's still well lit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fearing a breach of security in the safety of both bases, Samuel raised his side arm and fired multiple shots at the intruder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and truetor to lurch forward and tumble onto the runway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Samuel's immediately got into call it back on the radio and he realized that his radio is working now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He calls it in, he said there, we've had a security breach, I've emptied my firearm, I've got a man down on the old abandoned runway and McGuire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna head to the main gate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gets in, starts his Jeep up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He heads to the main gate and McGuire Air Force Base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They let him in and he heads toward the old runway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is, it used to be the New Jersey air national guard hanger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're on McGuire, I don't know if anybody's familiar with it, but they just put that in the notes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As he approached, he noticed several patrols had already rushed to the scene at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got out of his vehicle and headed toward the patrolman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when he saw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said it was about four feet tall, gray brown and color with an abnormally large head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said there was no discerning facial features aside from large, almond-shaped black eyes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had long arms in a slender body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It appeared to be nude, and its skin looked hairless, wet, and shiny, very reptile-like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He then noted that the dead being began to give off a bad stench, like ammonia, which we've heard from other alien encounters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like the Vargina UFO incident, they said that that one smelled like ammonia, there were a few others that I can't place, but that Brazil incident, the silver sisters reported encountering a strange creature with oily black skin, large red eyes, a slit for a mouth, among with the visual descriptions, witnesses described a strong potent smell of ammonia associated with the alien or its craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of link up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also thought it was interesting that like with this particular case, the firearm worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you have other cases like Hopkinsville,
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[SPEAKER_02]: where the bullets were just pinging off of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were just ricochet and ride off of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering if there's like different species that have different levels of defense against our firearms or how that works out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So at this time, MPs roped off the area and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations took over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: high level blue berets as they were called quickly imposed a curtain of secrecy with at least a dozen guards armed with him 16 surrounding the her surrounding the ropes and barring anyone but top brass and base photographers from approaching later that day a team from right air force base long rumored to be the depository of alien bodies in UFOs
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[SPEAKER_02]: arrived in a Lockheed C-141 star lifter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Personnel laid the strange body in a wooden box, utilized a portable tank to spray it with clear liquid, and placed the box into a large metal container and loaded it onto the plane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it lifted off for return to Wright Patterson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Up to this point in the story, this is all second hand from Jeffrey Morse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was an MP on McGuire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was one of the ones that first went up and saw the body of the alien.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or well, saw the other MPs seeing the body of the alien.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He went on to interview Samuels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's telling this second hand from Samuels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Jeffrey Morse is a pseudonym who claimed to be an Air Force Security Policeman, Oblubaray, regular, on McGuire at the time of the incident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Morse witnessed the UFOs in a rived in time to see the mysterious corpse from a distance of about 50 feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While Morse didn't get a clear look at the being's face, hands or feet, he produced a simple sketch that was, quote, my impression of something
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[SPEAKER_02]: Morse said that all personnel were threatened with court marshal if they said anything about the encounter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two days later, Morse and two other witnesses were flown to white to write Patterson Air Force Base, where they were interrogated by military and civilian officials, signed forms swearing them to secrecy, and were quickly transferred to separate bases overseas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Morse to Okinawa, Japan, Morse would later claim that it is decision to come forward with a story, resulted in government surveillance, and intimidation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: including interference with his ability to obtain government jobs after the conclusion of his military service.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Worses account is supported by retired U.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Air Force major George A. Filer III.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer's account is the one that's in the book that I mentioned at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He later, Filer later became the Eastern Director of the Mutual UFO Network, Mufan, and a member of the Disclosure Project.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer was stationed at McGuire Air Force Base as an Air Force Briefing Officer in 1978.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His responsibilities included...
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[SPEAKER_02]: His responsibilities included compiling external intelligence report to be delivered to senior commanders and presented to political committees within the U.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Senate, so he's a pretty high level guy, then to compile like intelligence reports and take them to the big dogs, he noted that he was not present at the time of the incident, but he arrived later that morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He came onto the base at about four a.m., he noted unusual emergency activity on the base and that response vehicles and a roped off area was on the old runway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As he passed through the guard gate, he asked what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the men on duty told him in a hushed voice that an alien had been shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At first, he thought the guy was just goofing off about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: about this time, he saw the big C141 star lifter approaching that they ended up loading the body onto.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew right then and there that something big was going on because a star lifter is not a craft that was standard issue at the airfield in 78.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: immediately knew something big was happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer was informed of the shooting from his commanding officer and task with preparing a report to brief general or major general Thomas Sadler, commander of the bases 21st Air Force military lift command.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer was interviewed or Filer interviewed Air Force personnel who participated in the incident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer claimed that photographs were taken up the body, but he was prevented and viewing them at the last second as the decision to allow him to view the photos were revoked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When Filer had completed his report in interviews, he arrived to brief Sadler, the commander of the 438th Security Police Squadron,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Moore's supervisor was speaking to the major general at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On the way out the door, the police squadron commander told Filer that he had already briefed the general, and the Filer was no longer needed, and the decision to allow him to compile the briefing had been reversed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As he left, Sadler still wave Filer into his office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and presented his read-only report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In case of listening devices, the commander read the report in silence and the two men did not discuss it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Filer would claim separately that he was told not to give the briefing because it was too hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A change in protocol had apparently taken place and it was now clear that a cover-up effort was being implemented on the base regarding the issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Orders came down the wire to restrict and limit access to everyone outside of a very select group of highly authorized personnel, but Filer continued to pursue private inquiries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as he's kind of searching through and interviewing people on his own time, he found an Air Force incident form.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called the DD form 1569, which is an official incident report for the Air Force regarding the incident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where he learned that the body of the alien was taken via the star lifter in armed military escort to write Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we all know that Wright Patterson runs deep in UFO lore, being basically ground zero for project sign, project grudge, project blue book, like Wright Patterson is in the midst of everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like right up there with area 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, there's definitely lots and lots of conversations and evidence of
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[SPEAKER_02]: He also learned that the MP that shot the alien was flown out to Wright Patterson shortly thereafter for a quote unquote formal debriefing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That individual would never return to Fort Dix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rumors were that he had been transferred to a classified facility elsewhere in the US, though no official record of such reassignment has ever been released.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wars came forward to UFO researcher and writer Leonard Age Stringfield in 1980 to share his account of the fatal alien encounter at Fort Dick's McGuire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stringfield and this colleague, former assistant director of NYCAP Richard Hall, interviewed more over the next few years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They found more to be credible and consistent in his story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hall was able to authenticate all, but one of the officers that more said interrogated him at Wright Patterson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: including Brigadier General, although the information about their assignments at the time of the supposed interrogation was unavailable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Morris who came forward, like all of his stories kind of checking out here, said everybody that interviewed him at Wright Patterson were there at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also thought that Morris was the one who produced the DD form that Filer Filer found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy how like quickly the military pulls the trigger on like separating all the guys and just shipping them off to the mill and nowhere essentially.
29:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, we heard this the exact same thing happened in Devils did they split them up, sent them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just to me it's it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess it's to keep guys from conspiring or maybe motivate each other to come forward, you know, I mean, because to be thinking about it, you get any time you start a new job or a new situation, you're kind of gun shy, your feet, you feel out the the environment that you're in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not really like taken to people right off the rip, you know, you kind of feel alone and singled out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention, they would, they would go and then they probably had superiors that had heavy orders of monitoring everything they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if you have one person come forward with a crazy story, it's a lot easier to paint, you know, the light of craziness on one person as opposed to having a whole group of guys that have military credential come forward and be like, yeah, this happened, yeah, this happened, that's a lot hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot bigger can of worms to put a lid on than just one person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to be honest, I mean, it probably wouldn't take much for the military to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you were working at this base, and then they ship you off to another one, it probably wouldn't take a much to wipe your record from said first base, just like night and prove that you were there, especially if you were just like if you were low level like just a just a military police officer or some not that that's not important, but it's different from being like a Brigadier general, you know, kind of easier to move you around and make things not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not so paper trailish, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that DD-41569, that was prepared about the shooting, it was directed toward Colonel Landon, the commanding officer of McGuire Air Force Base, Brigadier General Brown of the 21st Air Force and McGuire, and the Air Force Office
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[SPEAKER_02]: The report listed Morse and other security policemen involved as well as the Fort Dix MP who shot the strange being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stringfield emitted the names from the copy of the incident report he revealed in his 1985 paper on the matter, which I looked for I could not for the life of me find the DD1569 report because I was trying to find that could not find it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's if it's out there, I don't know where it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to try to find string fields paper that was released, but these are so old now, the, like he originally came forward in 80, that's almost 50 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy that's been long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't have much luck, but I'll have to go back and look.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Morse had already blacked out the social security numbers of the listed next to each individual to protect their privacy without that specific information, Hall could not confirm the identities or the assignments of the enlisted men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The McGuire Fort Dix alien shooting was among cases investigated by the National Institute for Discovery Science, founded by none other than millionaire real estate developer and aerospace entrepreneur, Robert Bigelow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Bigelow, I knew you were going to say that name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bigelow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from 1995 to 2004 in IDS study UFOs and other anomalous phenomena, most famously, owning skinwalker ranch in Utah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The group dug into the Maguire Fort Dix Alien shooting case in 2000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The NIDS investigator confirmed that Morse, whose true identity was in their files, didn't in fact work as an airmanee for Maguire Air Force Base, but they were unable to locate him in order to conduct an interview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They also could not find Samuels, the MPs that said to have shot the alien.
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[SPEAKER_02]: An IDS did, however, contact several Air Force officials who were assigned a McGuire Air Force base at the time of the incident on January 18.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Colonel Kenneth S. Landon, based commander, who was noted in the incident report, Lieutenant Colonel Francis Markowix, commander of the 438 Security Police Office Squadron, who was also listed in the incident report as having investigated the shooting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Detachment Commander, and Major General Thomas M. Sadler, the 21st Air Force Commander.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The NIDS says the four main people on the base in 78 who should have known the UFO sightings were interviewed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: None of them claim to know anything about the alleged sighting, the alien close encounter, or any shooting, reported the NIDS investigator Roger Pinsen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In addition, Azirkuwix said he would not have been listed as an investigator in the incident report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rather, the superior to whom an investigator would have reported.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's just saying, he's too high up to have been doing the investigation himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The 438th commander identified several discrepancies in the way the report was filed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He explained that if Morse was a security police officer, he would have had access to blank forms, but wouldn't necessarily, quote, have the right technique in completing them unless he had been a desegent or a performed administrative duties.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The former squad commander, Opine the Incident Report, was probably a forgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like everyone who had any pull at the base is completely writing the incident off that it never happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Finalist sounds like like they're making some of the care that players disappear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because they they couldn't find they had morse's actual identity and they can't find them.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who?
35:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me wonder if if they just move them to a black side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: move them to a special unit like oh now you're in the shit whether you like it or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or if they deem you a loose end and they're like well it's time to tie up some of these you know what I mean yeah that's what they didn't devil's dinner remember when he went back they kept him on bass but they just had him paint paint and signs sand and sign he picked finished painting sanded down finished
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[SPEAKER_00]: to keep your name inactive duty on a base and then you're not there, you've been ghosted but they're gonna pretend like you're not.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just us that they all, they all are like, no, this didn't happen.
36:47
[SPEAKER_02]: This didn't happen.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: None of this is none of this is legit, but you have a paper trail that says, it does happen, you know?
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, orders or orders, a lot of guys are going to follow the orders, no matter what they are.
36:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they get told to wipe it out of the rug, that's what they're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, the NIDS contacted, quote, Colonel B, retired Judge Advocate General, Jag office, Jag off, Jag Colonel, who Morris claimed had interrogated and debriefed him at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in morse's response saying that he was playing good cop bad cop at the time of the scenario.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The officer confirmed that he had been a jagged McGuire air force base at the time of the UFO incident, but he'd never heard of the situation never been to write Patterson and had no knowledge of morse being interrogated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: None of these four men recalled even working with General Filer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who General Filer was a big name at the base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said he answered and talked to Sadler, who says that he doesn't, he never worked with him.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like, a lot of run around there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you not know, like how do you not know who's like the biggest name on the basis?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are gonna know who that is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and being tasks, being tasks by your commanding officer to interview all these people, take all these notes and present them to their higher ups.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, once it all starts coming out, the higher up's been like, no, we don't know who that is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, filer compiled things to take forth to the Senate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he spoke on the Senate floor, based on things from a choir or a forced base,
38:43
[SPEAKER_02]: that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they just sound like they're just straight up wiping it under the rug and just trying to make it all disappear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the NIDS.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The NIDS report did not do it any favors because based on finding zero corroboration with the 1978 McGuire Air Force base incident during its preliminary investigation, the NIDS hypothesized that the case was a
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[SPEAKER_02]: They did address and acknowledge the possibility that they were being deceived by senior military officials who could have been protecting their oath of secrecy by denying all knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the NIDS remark that Pinson had extensive training and interviewing and interrogation techniques as well as detection of deception.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pinson had called called the subjects and they replied to his questions without hesitation, leading the NIDS to believe that they were probably being truthful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they acknowledge that they could have been lied to by people who probably make a good live in line, but they were probably being truthful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of where the investigation of this case of the alien, unfortunately, ends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The NIDS report kind of like put the nail in the coffin, but there are details and
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of link to other alien cases like I said, the the ammonia, the ammonia smell from from the dead alien string field wrote that vomit inducing stench like a combination of battery acid and ammonia also.
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[SPEAKER_02]: prevailed at an alleged crash site of a flying saucer in 1954 and which dead extraterrestrials were scattered about the New Mexico Desert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In James Fox's 2022 documentary moment of contact, multiple witnesses described a horrible ammonia-like or odor
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[SPEAKER_02]: or ultimately a smell worse than sulfur when they encountered a living or when they encountered living and dead alien beings following a UFO crash in Varginna, Brazil in 1996.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The scent remained in one of the women's nasal passages for weeks it's reported no matter how she tried to flush it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back in 1933, a man in Lea Valley, Pennsylvania discovered a bell-shaped UFO landed alongside a desolate road between Cherryville and Moore's town.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He poked his head into the craft and found a small control chamber only about four feet high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was unoccupied, but smelled of ammonia.
41:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like it's a detail that
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[SPEAKER_02]: links this to other notable UFO alien encounters, which again, kind of like we talked about in your last episode, it's a small detail that I feel like would easily be overlooked and omitted, like if you were going to hoax it, why would you put that in there, especially
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[SPEAKER_02]: encountered it happened until 1996 and probably nobody probably knew about the one in 1933.
42:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So like it's weird that this all all kind of links together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's disturbing to think that these little graves run around small like cap is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's a science behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw I found a Reddit post where a person broke this down and it gets real scientific, but it is interesting that the ammonia spell smell of these extraterrestrials may be legit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So molecular astrophysicist Clara Sosa Silva wrote a 2019 scientific American opinion column titled, quote, when we finally find aliens, they might smell terrible.
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: In the column, Silva postulated that life on planets less dominated by oxygen might thrive on other gases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She pinpointed phosphine, a foul, fishy, and toxic to us, humans, gas as a determiner for locating life on exoplanets, since it can only be produced by biological entities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that would mean that extraterrestrials who produce phosphine, or perhaps ammonia, might
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[SPEAKER_02]: According to a Massachusetts Institute of Technology Study published in 2022, ammonia is a biosignature gas that space-tellix scopes could search for when examining exoplanets atmospheres for life, using transits, spectrocopy, spectroscopy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't, yeah, I've heard that.
43:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically determining the chemical composition of the planet's atmosphere via starlight passing through it, ammonia plays a large role in biochemistry and is highly soluble in water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's present in a planet's atmosphere could indicate that biological life is producing ammonia in substantial amounts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The MIT scientist proposed that a planetary scenario called a cold harbor world in which life evolved with hydrogen, nitrogen, atmosphere instead of an oxygen, atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These beings would have developed a catalytic, catalytic machinery that can break down triple chemical bonds of molecular nitrogen and extract energy by fixing and converting atmospheric hydrogen and nitrogen into ammonia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In short, if there's any truth to the multiple accounts of aliens, wreaking of capus and ammonia, perhaps they originate from planet speculated by the MIT.
44:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I also want to note that can found this why I was researching here that I don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like anybody has noted on me talking about this.
44:48
[SPEAKER_02]: This may be a reason why McGuire was kind of a choice for these UFOs to check out in 78 because it is a site of one of the worse, like nuclear mishaps on US soil
45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the Bo-Mark Missile accident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bo-Mark Site RW01 is a 75 acre fenced off site contaminated primarily with weapons-grade plutonium, highly enriched and depleted uranium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On June 7th, 1960, an explosion in a CIM-10 Bormack missile fuel tank caused the accident and subsequent contamination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The explosion occurred a launcher shelter 204 and McGuire Air Force Base Ocean County, New Jersey, approximately 16 miles southeast of Trenton.
45:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Launcher shelter 204 was one of 54
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[SPEAKER_02]: shelters located at McGuire Air Force Base operated by the 46 missile defense squadron.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On June 7th, 1960, an explosion in a helium tank between missiles fuel tank took place and shelter 204 causing a fire in a liquid fuel nuclear-tipped bow mark missile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fire burned uninhabited for about 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Firefighting activities using water is a suppressant where conducted for 15 hours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As a result, materials from the shelter flowed under the front of the shelter doors down the asphalt apron to the street between the row of shelters and directly into a drainage ditch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's solid work there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly what you want to happen is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Contamination was restricted to an area, immediately beneath the weapon and adjacent elongated area approximately a hundred feet long, nuclear response team from Griffiths Air Force base found no trace of dispersed radiation during checks outside of the facility's boundaries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A significant fraction of radiological material contained in the weapon was shipped to Medina
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[SPEAKER_02]: According to the Trenton Times in June 1987, traces of radioactive substances and nuclear warheads were found about one-half mile from the site.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was almost 10 years later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1992 report, Air Force wrote that the missile launcher from shelter 2-4 had been removed from the shell or shortly after the incident, and no records about the manner of disposal of the missile launcher ever existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They found five anomalous areas which could represent the buried launcher.
47:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I just wanted to note that because you hear of a lot of UFOs and stuff, especially in America around nuclear missile sites, around nuclear test sites, I thought it was weird that this particular case happened at a spot where there was 40 plus nuclear warhead station at one time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like that is definitely a big draw as to what brought them there to the first place.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I found another incident on Reddit as I was looking that took place around Maguire Air Force Base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Reddit poster said I was an active duty United States Air Force Airmen assigned to Maguire Air Force Base in Burlington County, New Jersey, and the early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I myself did not witness anything but I worked directly with people involved in the
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: on the night of April 6, 2004 at around 0 130, the McGuire control tower spotted what they believed to be a small plane coming in for landing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This had actually happened in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Small planes would get confused and accidentally landed McGuire instead of cross keys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not a common thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With fatigue and flying at night, it has happened before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Related to me by someone an air traffic control, as the plane approached the base, the tower contacted security forces, but the plane was not a plane at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But instead it was a silver disc, the size of a car that did have some sort of external running lights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The tower observed this craft descend into the western side of the flight line in front of the National Guard ramp, which sounds very similar to where Alien was shot at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was told this was seen by multiple airmen with binoculars and was possibly also seen and recorded by their security system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time the National Guard was on alert with their KC 135s and there were approximately 15 maintenance airmen working on craft who witnessed the silver disc land directly in front of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as the internal security unit drove out to confront whatever it was, it shot up into the night sky at a high rate of speed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of note, I was told that on the morning of the next day, someone claiming to be from move on, showed up at the main gate, asking for information on the incident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The same day April 7th, the team of OSI agent showed up on a C-17 and inspected the area of the landing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was told that the airman and the tower had to sign in DAs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: no one working on the flight line, or working in security forces had to sign anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: By the end of the week, our commander told us that we would, or told us there would be nothing in the security forces incident, blotter, and that it was being called a UAV of unknown origin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: whatever happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It unsettled quite a few of us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to talk to some of the maintenance airmen who witnessed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were adamant that this thing was no UAV.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No actual aircraft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, quote, a Chrome disc, classic flying saucer landed in front of us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they told me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also want to point out that this specific area is not very far from the New Jersey pine barons, where you got the Jersey devil or like it is it is a heavily paranormal area like the whole area is just kind of got a thin veil over it, so that that combined with the nuclear miss hat may be why so many things are drawn to this specific area in the specific air force base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm kind of don't found it by how the military reacts in some of these cases kind of like this last guy in the the wash towers they just had a sign in the days, you know, nobody deal, but then the ones that were involved in the shooting get transported out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they had to sign MBA in the A's as well, but maybe not, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, because with the shooting, there's so many different routes you could go with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Covering up, because you could have played it off, like it was just an intruder.
51:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was thinking that too, like, you know, because like, that way you're not just sweeping the whole thing under the rug, you're creating, because you know, as well as I do, they could have went out and found somebody
52:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, put him on a runway and put a couple rounds in him and said, hey, though, it was an intruder.
52:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't fall commands, so on and so forth.
52:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this transpired.
52:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I also am curious if like military police have to keep record the same way like civilian police do like when they discharge their firearm.
52:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have to fill out all sorts of different like like information and shit.
52:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that's similar.
52:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it probably is.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine so.
52:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think another reason probably why this was so hush, was that it was like in the midst of the Cold War, and you essentially have, if word got out, you would have someone actively make their way on to a US nuclear missile base.
52:51
[SPEAKER_02]: which does not look good in in the light of anyone, especially like the Soviet Union, and especially in Americans who are relying on these bases to protect them, you know.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That probably, that probably does result in a lot of the, I want to complete cover up.
53:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It has never happened.
53:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that if it if the time period would have been a little bit different, I feel like it may have been handled differently, but considering it was in the midst of the Cold War, and that was a did have nuclear missiles on on on site.
53:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably right there.
53:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're definitely not going to want anybody any rumor floating around that your base got violated.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
53:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I also should make note that this specific area was was well into the drone flap from last from the beginning of this year, the end of last year.
53:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.
53:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well into the drone flap and I don't know if it was, if it's this, if it's McGuire or if it was, um, one of the bases connected to it, but they're also responsible for producing
54:09
[SPEAKER_02]: and creating some of the big drones that the military uses, some of those big like nine footers, the big ones.
54:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that it was weird that it's that the drone flap also kind of took place around here.
54:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to look into it to see if this was some of the military airspace that these drones were passing over into, because that happened quite a few times.
54:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it was connected because, yeah, I mean, it's obviously it's got a lot of attention from
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet it was.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet that was on the on the drone list.
54:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's what I got about the man who shot an alien again.
54:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd never I'd never even heard anything about that before.
54:52
[SPEAKER_02]: No, me either.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's traded.
54:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Got him.
54:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, put him down.
54:57
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably on ice at Wright Patterson, if I were.
55:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't doubt that.
55:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't doubt it at all.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
55:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's crazy how the response to some of these cases are from the military.
55:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes you wonder how much stuff doesn't get out.
55:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm far more doesn't get out than we could ever even realize.
55:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because a lot of, I feel like a lot of guys are real, real, like,
55:24
[SPEAKER_00]: afraid because it all it takes us like one or two of these guys that come forward to just disappear and get got a lot of it's going to shut a lot of other guys up yeah well that and you're talking guys that view like dishonorable discharge or things like that is life-ending you have I mean massive military content like you you know those contacts that those guys have are legit
55:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could ruin your life without killing you.
55:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's absolutely destroy your life.
56:00
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what more said happened to him.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they moved him uprooted him, moved him to Japan.
56:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, he tried to get any.
56:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He was blacklisted from government jobs, blacklisted from a military.
56:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it just shut his life down essentially.
56:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about it too.
56:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have moved him and then.
56:22
[SPEAKER_00]: put him on a no flight list back, you know what I mean like there's so many things you could do that are just absolutely fucked that a normal person doesn't have a lot of control over yeah like there's a lot of ways for your life to be ruined and it's I don't know it's it's interesting it's interesting to contemplate that and you know
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
56:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people put far too much into that idea that oh, there's too many people involved.
56:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It would definitely get out.
56:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't buy that.
57:00
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
57:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't buy that, man.
57:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're like, I think military guys for the most part, especially in higher positions, take their jobs extremely fucking serious.
57:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 22.
57:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You think about your special ops guys and shit, I think they take their job extremely serious.
57:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And their their lips are tight, they letting shit out.
57:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, I'm in the same camp.
57:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially guys that are like high level brass, yeah, it's, it's probably probably like you said it probably happens not not often, but a lot of these guys are probably seeing paperwork come across their desk, seeing folks across their desk, and they are well tuned in to tune in now.
57:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, think about like some of the fucking calls we've gotten about homey being big for it.
57:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I'm military training.
57:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like instantly all the guys are like, hey, don't say that on radio.
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
58:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
58:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And they all know.
58:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They're being boots.
58:09
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're being suits on the ground the next morning.
58:12
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he by just even mentioned that out on the radio.
58:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
58:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy.
58:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy, but I mean, I think it happens a lot more than we realize.
58:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll ever find out, you know, because a lot of guys just won't talk about it.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
58:31
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it does make you wonder how much, how much shit is just swept under the rug.
58:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet they have a ton of information.
58:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
58:41
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we'll never get real disclosure.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all just, it's all just trickle down, bullshit.
58:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Every once in a while, a guy will stick it back and get a room around there.
58:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But in today's world, most people aren't even going to fucking believe it anyways.
58:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they don't, like, like, they don't care.
58:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, I think that's,
59:04
[SPEAKER_02]: that plays to the military's hand, too, you know, like, people just aren't that interested at this point.
59:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So if shit does leak out that's legit, they don't even have to like have near the cleanup squad that they did back then because people just aren't paying attention.
59:21
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I feel like even though like times were way different, I just feel like when some of those stories hit fire,
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: They hit like people believed, mm-hmm even though the, I feel like the general impression is that people didn't believe as much back then.
59:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they did.
59:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, look at, look at Roswell.
59:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
59:48
[SPEAKER_02]: The cover-up started in Roswell.
59:50
[SPEAKER_02]: How many fucking newspapers said flying saucer crashes in the desert?
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_02]: is one of the biggest UFO stories ever ever and then it morphed into whether balloon crashes this is that and the other but at at the beginning everything was flying it was like every newspaper and flying cross saucers crashes in new Mexico desert yeah and to this day like I said it if anybody knows any UFO story that's the one
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And just as a testament, just as a testament to how things go now, think about the things that have happened in the last two years.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You have the, the, what is it?
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_02]: The Brazilian face pillars?
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, they were hovering around legit, like literally peeling people's faces off.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was just like, hmm, that's weird.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_02]: The largest call-in of police force units that I've seen since 9-11, which they said, is extremely out of protocol to have all of their law enforcement in one spot without it being something absolutely major.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if it's a fight, even if it's a big fight, third of the fight of 30 kids,
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_02]: 193, however many it was.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I also saw a clip or I also saw a real where that that incident is now classified.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's true.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_02]: If it if it were just if it were just kids fighting.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it classified?
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, where's the CCTV footage?
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks crazy about that whole incident.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I think about it.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_00]: footage from that incident.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's, like, you'll see nobody, like, because it would be easy for somebody to be like, record it say today.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And it'd be like, look, this was during the incident.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing, nothing going on.
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all bullshit.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not even that plugged around.
1:02:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
1:02:18
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no CCTV footage.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's a big mall.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ton of stores there.
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not even footage of the kids fighting.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is crazy.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no phone footage.
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Walk through, walk through a busy mall and look at how many people are on their fucking phones.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_02]: If there was a fight or something, hey, someone would record it.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a constantly world star, you know, this, that and the other.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So something had to happen, and there's a counts that there were high level military there, confiscating people's phones, deleting all the media, just finishing it too, too, too.
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Because at the same time, wasn't there a big, like, social media blackout that happened, an electric blackout that happened, like, that's what I remember hearing.
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
1:03:10
[SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy and nobody even talks about it.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nothing.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's gone.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Same way with the Las Vegas alien incident.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're, they're, the police officer saw this thing fall to earth.
1:03:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They get a UFO call and now like nobody talks about it.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Just nobody's interested.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing's disappeared.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy in the drones.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: That nobody talks
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We were supposed to get, we were supposed to get answers on the drones, but it's all well that way.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And you see how many people care?
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, me and you in the whole world.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody gives a shit.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nuts.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got us.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got us so just beat down and just locked into our own little bubble of trying to survive
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, that's what I got about the old alien shooting there.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you guys, if you guys want to check out the book again, it's called Strange Craft.
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_02]: The true story of an Air Force intelligence officer's life with UFOs written by John Elgarera.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And it interviews retired Air Force major George Filer III.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_02]: was kind of high up in Maguire for his base, unless you ask the people above him who said that he didn't work there.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's what I got for you today.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you guys have a good week.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope work goes well.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Till we meet again, check us out our social medias and stay safe.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Stay weird.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, man, if you see an alien.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You might try to go at it, I don't know.
1:05:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.