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#391 - For Azeroth!: “Heroic World Quest Simulator" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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I want my panda mount give it to me now.
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In other news, I'm re rolling to China realms victory for the
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Forsaken for Lauderon for the Kieran tour for.
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Pandaria. For calendar to the burning
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region for Gilnaeus, but has Sindora.
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For the Alliance, for the. Horn for Azeroth.
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Hello. Look to episode 391 of For
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Azeroth. Just realized, I don't know that
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we ever say the number beforehand, but we're doing it
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now just sort of as a warm up because we're getting close to
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400. It's going to be a big time,
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maybe a celebration and we were literally just talking about it.
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If you want to hear what we said, it'll be uploaded to the
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the Patreon. It's a special behind the seeds
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only for them. But I am here today joined by
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one of my two favorite Co hosts, the one and only true villain,
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Manny. Manny, how has the World of
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Warcraft been treating you? I mean, the World of Warcraft
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has been treating me great, but I just, I just want to take a
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moment and just like bask in being in like the top two of
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your favorite pod podcast hosts. Like guys, John has stored
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history where he's done many podcasts and currently he's on 2
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separate podcasts. And of all of that, I'm in the
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top five, nay the top 2. So I'm I'm basking a.
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Lot of those were solo shows. I I was only thinking you were
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talking about the current ones. I didn't even think about like
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of. All your podcasts?
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Well, the current ones, there's my solo show and and then
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there's this show where there are two go and you are among the
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top two, man, you are among the top.
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Two, you know what? It's it's an honor.
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Thank you, thank you. But the World of Warcraft has
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been strange for me. 12 point O 7 has launched and of course,
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we'll talk about that. I have been, as we've been
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discussing and and all of that, I've been going through this bit
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of a burnout sort of thing. So I've been reclaiming the fun
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in ways that I can, which meant that when 12 point O seven hit,
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I did not log on right away. I did not want to deal with like
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the bottlenecks at whatever the quest would be would be
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happening. And I said, logged in a little
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bit later, did my profession stuff, it got that sorted out,
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did a little running around for rares.
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And it wasn't till day 2 that which is the day of this
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recording that I was like, OK, let me sneak in an off peak
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time. Let me try and play some of the
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12 point O 7 stuff. And it's insane how one day off,
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how so much has happened in the greater World of Warcraft.
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And I felt, I got to say, I feel a little bit behind.
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I'm usually like that day one rush kind of guy.
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Day 2, Holy crap, a lot of things have happened.
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But what about you, Sean? How's World of Warcraft been
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treating you? Well, last weekend I've got to
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do some keys with my good friends Manny and Lex.
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I won't steal Lex's Thunder, but they went quite well.
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We'll let Lex tell how well they went when she's back on the
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show. And then, like you mentioned, 12
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point O .7 launch yesterday. You took a day off.
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I it went live around 3:00 my time, 3:00 PM and I've done all
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the content. So I guess I'm now just waiting
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for the story quests that are coming in five weeks, 4 weeks, 3
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weeks, some weeks later will be the story campaign.
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We went and did Rothmeyer last night.
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We're going to talk about Rothmeyer and how that went.
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My my Guild killed him on Mythic and then realized there's a toy
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that turns us all into mushrooms.
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So we killed it again on heroic and on normal and then a bunch
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of us wouldn't find it on LFR. Best toys ever question mark.
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So that was good. I did the Nagtol zone.
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It was his own of all time. It's basically just world quest,
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hamster wheel simulator, the world quest to respawn like
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every 20 minutes or something. And so you just run in, do a
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bunch of world quests, and then run and do more world quests
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over and over and over again for rewards that matter very little
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to me. Did you switch it on to heroic
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world tier? Yeah, I put it on Heroic world
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tier to start. I I tank so everything I say has
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to be taken with the through the lens of a tank so.
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It's very hard to see it behind that shield.
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Yeah, well, it just didn't feel any different from the regular
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world to me. I don't know what makes it
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heroic now. I was watching some friends
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stream today. They had a few deaths.
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They struggled a little bit. But I if you're listening to
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this, I would just go straight to heroic world tier because I
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don't think, well, I don't think there's enough content.
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To make to normal Tier 1 a tank and your survivability.
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Therefore, what's your item level right now?
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390.63. Three and then 29290.63. 290.6.
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Three, OK, All right. Just just so we have relative,
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you know, anchor point for people, any of the streamers
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that you watch, do you know roughly what their item level,
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class and spec were? Windwalker Monk, and I'm going
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to guess somewhere in the 275 range.
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OK. And you said that they were
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having some deaths, like constant deaths or like had to
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be careful how they pull. Or if they over, if they over
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pulled there was there was some problems.
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This particular streamer is self admittedly terrible at the game.
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That's how they describe themselves.
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I would never describe somebody like that.
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That's their own description for themself.
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So that may have been, it may have been a factor as well.
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But yeah, I don't know. I if you're, I'd say just jump
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right into heroic world tier because I don't know that it's
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going to be, I don't think there's enough content to
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justify you doing it on normal world tier and then going back
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to do it on heroic world tier. It's literally, I'm not kidding.
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There is like 5 quests which are all the same quests as the world
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quests. So it's like, I want you to jump
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on these mushrooms and hit these orbs and then a world quest pops
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up to jump on these mushrooms and hit these orbs.
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So the quests are and like it's, you're just repeating it over
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and over again. And they, they cycle through
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really quickly. I did 1, I did three world
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quests. I went and made a coffee.
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I had some fried eggs. I came back to my desk and with
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a world quest to respond. And two of them were of two of
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them were of the three that I had done.
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And they're just, I mean, if open world is your is your bag,
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you might love it. I mean, you might be like, yeah,
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right on world quests. There is you do get after you
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complete all of the quests once you get the option to do more to
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help out in the zone from Riffblade Myela, I think her
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name is. And the choices are kill rares
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and you have to kill 15 rares, rares and strong enemies or do
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world quests, choose the world quests because the rares only
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spawn every 20 minutes. There is no, you know how
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sometimes there's like a the IT spawns and there's 5 minutes
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before anybody can hit it, so everyone has time to get there
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That doesn't test. Yeah, that's gone.
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So it spawns right away. It can be killed right away.
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And I'm on a dead realm. Like a dead, dead dead realm.
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We're talking like you can get dreadnought tier 3 gear on the
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black market Auctionos for 7000 gold apiece.
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Dead realm and by the time I was getting 2 rares they were
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already at their tag limit and so then I couldn't get credit
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for killing them if they were alive when I got there.
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So choose the world Quest one as you're doing that.
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This week. This week, yeah.
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Yeah, there's a number of things there that I, I like what you
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said. And then I also feel like, yeah,
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I the reason I say this week is because I suspect that people
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are going to get tired of this quite quickly.
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And so you're going to find that those rares will be up a lot, a
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lot more often and less people going after it.
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Yeah. The other thing is, yeah, go
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ahead. I I just got to say I did the
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lower lore walking as well. I'm a troll me now.
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That shit was amazing. 10 out of 10, no notes from start to
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finish. One minor, not a complaint, but
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one like minor. I wish this had been different
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and it's just the first section has voice acting, it's lovely.
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The middle section you go to Northrend, no voice acting.
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And then the end section is a new story.
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I believe voice acted, fully voice acted.
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So just that if they had just done voice acting for that bit
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in the middle of the Northrend bit in the middle, I think it
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would have been more like it would have been perfect, would
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have been absolute perfection. It's but it's like a 9.5 out of
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10. I it's so good.
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I'm not kidding. I was on the Cariata character
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looking to see if I could make a troll before we started
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recording. I loved it.
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OK, I like that. Yeah, I think that lure walking
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is great for that to like get people up to speed because World
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of Warcraft is a 20 something a year old game.
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And if you go back to the Wrath of Lich King, what's that, 2008?
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Yeah, 2008, 2009. Yeah, right.
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That is almost a decade ago. So it is good to get people
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caught up on that sort of stuff. Trolls have been in there from
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the beginning and there's a lot of lore to to be appraised or
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like just know about. So the lore walking for that is
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great. I'm glad that you're in on the
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troll train. I I am in a similar boat.
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I was just thinking like, oh man, I wish this.
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OK, so Sean, you keep saying you want your undead to stand up
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straight. I want.
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And my dark spear give it to me for both of them.
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Yep, I'm I want my dark spear to stand up straight.
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I I just. I have some goddamn pride.
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Stand up straight. Look at you.
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What would Wol Jin say? Well, I'm, I'm hoping that Vujin
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will come back soon with all this stuff about trolls, but
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we'll get into that later. The the other thing that I was
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looking thinking about when you're talking about the heroic
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world tear is that I think that instead of them trying to mimic
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the raid system where it's like here's normal, here's heroic and
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then we'll throw in mythic or something like that.
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They might want to just take a page out of Diablo's book and do
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it in a far more granular manner, much like mythic plus
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does. So you can tear up your your
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quest so that it's like 2 + 12 plus and so, so forth on.
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In terms of difficulty for the world tears, I think that might
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be the better solution here because while you may need
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higher world tiers, other people might want something not quite
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as difficult as you or something far less difficult than you.
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And I think just like, because it's just scaling HP and damage
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shouldn't be that bad to put in a little multiplier into world
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tier content. What do you think of that
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suggestion? I don't want world content to be
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difficult at all. I want to one shot these things.
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I I do not play the game to have difficult times while I'm doing
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my weekly S Arales soiree. So I did heroic world tear just
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because it's supposed to be more rewards than I wanted to see
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what it was like. It's not it.
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It feels like regular to me. So there's I don't notice any
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difference. I suspect a lot of players
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won't, but obviously I'm looking at that through my lens.
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So take your mileage may vary. We did get side note a couple of
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episodes ago. I was opining on what the
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purpose of normal raids are, who were they for?
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And I don't know if you know this man we have an e-mail
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account for Ezraoth has an e-mail account.
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It's a Gmail account. I imagine it's tied somewhere.
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We got an e-mail from Wraith and she was explaining to us how
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normal is important and how there's value in it for her and
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why and then talked about her husband and how he plays and how
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they play the game. Anyway, it was a lovely e-mail.
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It was beautifully written. Thank you so much.
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I you sent it over a month ago. So if you haven't quit listening
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to the show because we ignored it.
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It's not that we ignored it. I'm just an idiot.
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I didn't anyway, it was lovely. So I I'm saying like, I want
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easy open world content. I don't care for it to be
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difficult because to me, if I'm going to have difficult content,
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it's going to be in radar and keys.
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But yeah, if let's assume that there are people who want a
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challenge in the open world, then yeah, I think having a
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grant a more granular level of difficulty is fine for those
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folks. But yeah, I don't know what like
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I just don't under the problem is I don't understand.
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So in raid, the difficulty goes up to get higher gear, it's a
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bigger challenge. You get that reward of killing
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it. Keys, same thing.
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You have to a point for gear, but then you start getting IO
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and you can get title and mounts and all this good stuff.
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I don't know. I guess it's because I don't
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know. I, I don't know, I guess I just
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don't understand. It's like there, there obviously
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are players for whom a challenging open world content
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is rewarding. And because if there wasn't,
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Blizzard wouldn't have made like they're not just pulling out of
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the out of thin air these these design mechanics.
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They have feedback somewhere. They have data somewhere that
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suggests there are players who want a more difficult open world
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experience. So for them, maybe this heroic
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world here is great. Yeah.
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It's so hard. We need Lex.
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I don't. Know like it's OK I'm going to
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try and bring you to the the well and we'll see if you drink.
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All right, So Sean, there are many different types of raid
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content and raid difficulties and some people like to do
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mythic level raiding. It's it's difficult, it's
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challenging. You have to be super organized,
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you have to put put in a lot of effort, but like you'll get like
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a different tint of the gear. Maybe it'll have like a little
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extra lightning or effects. It's really just the same
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rewards that you would get from any level.
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So why wouldn't you do it on normal?
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Because you want to push yourself.
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You want to be the best that you can take that same mindset, but
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then consider people who either do not have the time to dedicate
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to dedicate so many hours to being prepped and ready for raid
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or don't want to do the social obstacles or or overcome those
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social obstacles to be part of one of those raid groups.
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Those people can find difficulty in other parts of the game, like
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Mythic Plus. There are many people who Mythic
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Plus and like This is what I this is replacing Radiant.
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This is what I want to do. So far I'm with you 100%.
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All of this makes sense to me. I'm drinking what you're selling
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right now. Then there are some people who
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might have a much shorter period of time.
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They can only fit in maybe 20 minutes, 25 minutes, not quite
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enough to get in that mythic plus on top of trying to find a
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mythic plus pug into it or have a static team their their
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schedule. It just does not allow allow for
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it allowing for world content which can be normally defeated
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in like 5 minutes or so. Right to be a challenging
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content could be available to those players with a similar
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mindset, but just limitations in time.
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They otherwise they're really forced to find a game that that
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allows it for them. They might jump over to
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fellowship. Many people like Fellowship,
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which is challenging but is way more streamlined to get into
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that content, which narrows down the time you need to get just
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like a quick little dungeon out. And you get that like cool
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little push, however challenging it be in the fellowship without
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the organization, without the extra time committed to waiting
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in queue for for stuff. And so this is just another
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outlet for that within game without having to go to another
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game, if you could imagine that. You'll ask me at open world
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content, I don't think there's anybody who only has 20 minutes
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a week to play who is going. Man I really wish this world
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boss was harder. It doesn't need to be 20
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minutes. It doesn't need to be 20
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minutes. I don't in total.
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It can just be 20 minutes in a row.
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You've got to take care of a kid and you can't.
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Yeah. I mean, that's a dungeon in the
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middle of. I think delves fill that hole
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for sure. I understand where delves like
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in the hierarchy all I understand where everything fits
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all instance content, but like even harder open world content
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isn't a challenge for the player because strangers can show up
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and kill the thing, right? It's not a personal challenge.
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And I remember, I distinctly remember when people were no
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longer farming. What was that underground area
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called in Dragonfly where Avarice was?
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I can't remember under Azure under under the underground part
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of where we met the Niffin that zone.
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I can't remember the name of it, sorry.
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But I remember once people stopped farming the rares and
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stuff down there, there was a lot of complaints on Twitter
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that Mob said too much health, sure that it was it.
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So that's harder content that people actively said we don't
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want. We just want to collect the
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things these rares drop. The loud people on Twitter do
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not sorry. The loud people on any forum do
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not represent everybody right? Yeah, I guess I just don't know
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anybody who's like, man, I really wish my open world
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content was harder. I'd like these world quests to
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take 30 minutes instead of five, and that's.
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Sorry, being harder doesn't necessarily mean it has to take
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longer. Yes as a tank with additional
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health it will take you margins of level the harder but just
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them hitting harder and it be more threatening and me having
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to use more of my CC, more of my utility in order to defeat a
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thing could be a point of engagement.
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There's a point where you're levelling where you just start
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to be able to solo some of these rares, right?
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And that becomes a point of pride.
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I can now kill something that would normally need a group like
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Stumpy in Harandar or or some of those ones that are like, man,
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really you should have three to five players.
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But now I'm strong enough that I can like, if I kite well and so
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forth, I can kill, kill this. And that is something that I
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will be like, it's great. I don't need to like.
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Put into chat like looking for people to kill an Analius or
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whatever that fungal guy is right now.
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I know that I can like use my rocket lentil to tank for a
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little bit, get my health back and still kill him before he can
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deplete my health bar at the second time.
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And that sort of challenge is like does have merit, does have
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an audience. I just don't think that audience
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is really served right now in World of Warcraft outside of
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Delves. I do think you're right on
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Delves. Delves do feel a part of that
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right, But it doesn't mean that Delves have to be the only
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thing. If that was the truth and ritual
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sites would have never been created, though.
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I I don't I don't think ritual sites is a good defense mind.
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I guess the issue is I tank and I primarily tank and almost all
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of my characters are tanks. I could solo rares on day one,
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so that's not exciting. None of that is.
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I don't get joy from any of that open world content.
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To me, is, is good for the story.
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And once the story is done, then I just want it to be fast and
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over. I want fast world.
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Like I missed the BFA days of world quest where it was like
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you could do the whole zone in 20 minutes, you know?
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Then we went into shadow Lands and it was like, you can't do a
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single world quest in 20 minutes.
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It's just yeah. So I just, I don't know.
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I yeah, I hope whoever wanted Heroic World here is excited by
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their new World Quest simulator in Nagtol and Val Shocking.
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Listen, listeners, I know shockingly enough, it's not the
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content for me. Who could have seen this coming?
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But Manny, we're going to move on.
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We're going to talk about some content that is for me. 12 point
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0.7 didn't just bring Heroic World Tear, it didn't just bring
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the lower lore walking. Seriously folks, do the lower
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lore walking. If you've done nothing else from
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this, go do the lower lore walking.
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Also, I found that I'm oddly attracted to Pandaren ladies.
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We'll talk about that later. That's something.
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I'm back later. Nah, I've known it from six
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years. A child.
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Never. Never.
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Why are you on a list, Sean? Continue on well not that
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specific anyway, but there was more stuff that launched.
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We had the omnium folio. We're going to talk about that
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and it's massive 0.23% power gain this week, which in
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fairness, when it's scaled to full capacity will be 0.6%.
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So that's pretty good. Airports is actually pretty
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good. No, we're going to talk about
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spore fall. The new one boss raid with
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mythic flex difficulty came out, Manny Team liquid claimed world
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second and then it was the judges decided no, no, we're not
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going to count that hacker Guild that killed it in item level 130
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gear. We will just count through this
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one hacker Guild that has gone and gotten world first every
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tier for like the last four tiers.
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They're insane. I don't know what they're doing.
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How many counts have they bought at this point?
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It's crazy. I don't know, but Team Liquid
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killed Rottmeyer. Can you guess how long it took
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them to kill this boss? I I already know the answer so
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I'm going to leave this alone. It was 15 minutes, 15 minutes
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from servers up to Rob Meyer and the the boss fight itself is
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like a 7 1/2 minute boss fight. So they went in there, they were
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running splits on it. They took it down.
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We killed it as well. As I mentioned it is a lot of
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fun. It's.
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Did it take you 20 minutes? No, it well it took us.
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We had three pulls. The first one we wiped because I
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think one of our Raiders is colour blind.
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The second time we wiped because what what?
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The second time somebody miss a kick, I can't remember why it
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was the second time and the third time we killed it, it was
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a 7 minute 8 second fight for us.
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So on the kill, the fight itself was a lot of fun.
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The boss model is really nice looking.
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It's very sharp, but the the fight is so comically easy, but
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very well designed. It's there's two different types
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and this is on mythic. Two different types of little
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ads spawn and they fixate players and you have to they
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can't die on top of each other. But Blizzard 10 like kudos to
24:37
Blizzard. One has set of them puts a green
24:40
fixate line on players. The other set puts a red fixate
24:42
line on players. They have different names, but
24:45
you get a different color fixate line.
24:46
So you know, OK, red good arranged R starts with R red go
24:52
to ranged green go to malate. You could do it.
24:53
You can flip it. That's just our Guild did that
24:55
because it makes it simple. And then a third ad spawns that
24:59
you you kill as well tank on top of it.
25:02
Very, very fun boss. We're going to kill it every
25:06
week drops to 98 gear. Are you is your Guild getting
25:10
back together to go pull Rotman and will you pull it on mythic?
25:15
I don't believe we're going to kill it on Mythic.
25:17
The calendar dates have gone up for one of my guilds where they
25:23
are going to do it four times exactly, and it is optional
25:28
attendance because people want to take their time away from the
25:34
game. So we're going to do 4 weeks
25:38
starting this week just so we can get that mount mount, and
25:44
that will be Thursday. So when this comes out to the
25:48
general populace, that'll be my first play on that or attempt on
25:54
that. We'll see how well my team does
25:56
it. I do not believe there's any
26:00
wish to go towards Mythic. My team just stopped doing
26:04
mythic last expansion. Like we were doing some Mythic
26:08
in Dragon fight, stop doing Mythic in The War Within.
26:12
So there's no appetite to dive back into it right now,
26:16
especially with like everybody's schedules.
26:18
The other team is like, Oh yeah, let's go back in and like, OK,
26:23
like let's clear it and then maybe we'll try Mythic.
26:28
And so they're very happy, happy about that.
26:30
But like, it's a heroic team that got AOTC started with like
26:36
2728 people, like almost 30, almost about the cap of heroic.
26:42
And then over the course of this tear has whittled down to I
26:48
think we'll see what happens when the team put the comes
26:53
together on Thursday. But I'm going to say 20-3 ish,
26:59
maybe like hitting 20. So it's it's going to also be a
27:06
matter of of those remaining people, how many are going to go
27:09
into mythic? So hopefully there will be
27:12
enough, but it's going to be like, oh man, I hope we have 15
27:15
if they're going to do that, if I'm going to do that, because
27:18
like running the two teams on the two tiers was what led to
27:21
this burnout. So I might just sit down on the
27:26
bench for one of these teams just to hold hold my sanity
27:29
together. But yeah, it's good to know
27:32
like, what different teams are considering specifically because
27:36
these teams are roughly about the same place in terms of like
27:39
how quickly they were clearing through the raid and everything.
27:42
Yeah, it's good stuff. It's a lot of fun.
27:45
It's great on Heroic. Heroic there's only one ad type,
27:48
so they change from heroic to Mythic.
27:50
There's a single AD type, so you just stack everything on top of
27:54
the spore cap on top of the boss and kill it.
27:57
The second spore cap will spawn away from that group.
28:00
You'll still kill everything on top of the first spore cap,
28:02
death site and then just solo down the the fire spore cap.
28:05
A lot of fun, lot of fun. There's a tactics guide for both
28:10
normal, heroic and for all three, normal, heroic and
28:12
mythic. If you're going to do it, I
28:14
recommend those guides. They are very clear, very
28:16
succinct and it's a Strat we use and it worked really.
28:19
Well, I actually, I actually watched those guides too.
28:21
So yeah, I I will also give my recommendation.
28:24
There you go. You've got 22 Fazers out of two
28:28
recommendations. That's right.
28:29
That's right. I forgot we're called Fazers.
28:30
I hate it. Jazz hands and Fazz hands.
28:33
Forgot. About that, but when?
28:34
Do we get to a year left still? Why do our listeners have such a
28:39
poor taste? OK, that's a joke.
28:42
You're listening to this show. Your taste is obviously
28:44
excellent. That's not all about Sporefall
28:47
though. So something was discovered that
28:49
we think is intended. Blizzard has not made a
28:52
statement on it and it would be considered insanely game
28:57
breaking if it wasn't intended. So I feel like they would have
29:00
responded and acted immediately. But intended or not, spoor fall
29:06
on mythic. The first ever flex mythic raid
29:10
does not lock out. There is no mythic lock out.
29:14
It functions the same as heroic raids.
29:16
So you can go in and kill the boss and get your loot and
29:20
leave, and then you can go back in with another group and kill
29:25
the boss again and there is no loot.
29:27
But every time you kill a boss, you can bonus roll.
29:33
There are 298 pieces of gear that drop from this boss if
29:36
you're killing it on Mythic and if you've been saving up your
29:39
bonus rolls over the last couple of weeks, or if you're on a new
29:41
fresh alt with 18 bonus rolls to spend, you can go through kill
29:46
this boss five times and get every item of loot off of the
29:50
boss that you need in the same day, if it's intended.
29:59
Crazy what a wild world we live in.
30:03
Potentially a view of the mythic lockup being lifted if it's not
30:06
intended bannable. I don't I don't know.
30:09
We I have personally not done it.
30:12
We've killed Lura so I don't see a reason to go in and farm out
30:15
298 gear in case it's not intended.
30:19
But it's we're, we're on day 2 now.
30:21
And like, if this, it's not a secret, it's not a mystery.
30:24
People have been tweeting about it.
30:26
They've been posting videos about it.
30:27
They've been live streaming and doing it.
30:29
They've posted it in every channel you can think of to
30:32
Blizzard to say, hey, is this cool?
30:36
And it's radio silence. So if I learned anything at
30:40
first aid training, it's that silence is implied consent.
30:44
Yeah, I think that this is the case.
30:46
And for this one, I think that is a combination of the fact
30:50
that we are very late into tear, that it is a one boss raid.
30:55
And if people want to farm out two pieces of of like caps gear
31:02
to then take and beat down like whatever they're stuck on, like
31:06
whether that's crown, Bellerin or Laura to finish out their
31:10
tier, this is the perfect time for it.
31:12
So in this particular circumstance, I see no reason
31:17
why why Blizzard would quickly nerf this.
31:21
I think that even if they leave this the same next tier, which I
31:27
I don't think is the case, we won't get those bonus rolls
31:33
until part way through the tier when they're already starting to
31:38
nerf things. And then, and even then you
31:41
won't get the ability to bonus roll on the same boss until like
31:45
the second week because it's like 2-2 rolls.
31:50
Oh, sorry, two of the tokens per per thing.
31:52
So it's not until like you're like Week 2 where you can take
31:56
the leftovers from both weeks to make the attempt.
32:00
So I don't think it is as game breaking as it feels right now
32:06
when everything kind of came together in this perfect storm.
32:09
And even if they were to leave it, I don't think it is as game
32:12
breaking when when they reintroduce bonus rolls, if they
32:16
introduce bonus rolls and this same thing in the same way, I
32:20
generally think that it is a matter of flex mythic and the
32:24
fact that they don't want to have raid lockouts on flex
32:27
mythic. Just imagine you have a multi
32:30
multi boss tier. And so because we want to cut
32:35
down for this boss to to like X amount of people because it's
32:40
easier at this level and then go to Y amount of people for the
32:44
next boss. Does that mean that the
32:48
difference those people are locked out and can't get any
32:51
loot? That feels way more punishing
32:53
and I would almost prefer that they allow this small exploit.
32:59
If you want to call an exploit this this fun detected is time
33:05
to allow the fun to to happen. Yeah, you literally just
33:08
described how mythic rating is now though.
33:10
That's how it works if you're on a mythic grade team with a
33:12
roster larger than 20 and most mythic grade teams have a roster
33:16
of that 24 ish level. You're somewhere between 23 and
33:19
26. Usually you're not in for every
33:23
boss and it's not most teams don't do this is our roster for
33:26
this week. They do boss to boss rostering
33:29
so like it. It literally is how almost every
33:32
mythic Guild functions is that you have people rotating in to a
33:36
lockout with two bosses dead that they don't get a chance to
33:39
fight or loot that week. That's how it works now.
33:42
It it is awful. You're right, it sucks because
33:46
if it didn't work that way then those people who weren't in on.
33:48
I'll use this here. For example, let's say you're
33:50
not in for Imperator Aversion or Voracius, but you're in for
33:55
Saladar. Then you're owed again for
33:57
Dragons, and then you're in for Paladins.
34:00
You go in, you know, you zoned in to do Saladar and you get a
34:03
thing that says this is a saved instance.
34:06
Now you're not getting the chance to kill either of the
34:08
first two bosses. That's two slots from your vault
34:10
that you can't fill because you you didn't kill them.
34:13
You kill Saladar, you leave your team kills Dragons.
34:16
You come back in to paladins and it says, hey, now it's a four
34:19
save 4 out of eight or four out of six saved raid tear.
34:23
Do you want to stay? And you say yes again.
34:24
So now it's another like that's how it functions now it sucks.
34:28
It sucks. So if if they shift, I would I
34:33
mean, it's one thing to say to the other doing it for flex.
34:35
I want this for all mythic raiding.
34:38
You know, I want to be able to, as a mythic Raider who's not in
34:41
for every boss, to be able to go on the weekend and pug those
34:43
bosses that you haven't gotten and that also.
34:46
Why would you pug it like already teams are pushing
34:50
towards splits. Splits are the devil.
34:53
Never. We my team never does splits.
34:56
We we don't do any splits, but I would never, I wouldn't be on a
34:59
team that does splits. That's crazy.
35:01
It's not needed. But you would pug it.
35:04
Yeah, I would go pug them. I would go pug them for the,
35:06
because you, you're thinking in terms of, you know, using, if
35:09
you do splits, that's raid time you're using.
35:12
Your raid time should be focused on Prague farm, like farm to get
35:15
to Prague and then Prague doing splits so that half of your
35:20
bench or three players from your bench can kill 2 bosses at the
35:23
start. That's that's super inefficient
35:26
use of your your raid time, your prog time.
35:29
So yeah, I would definitely that would be if you're not in for
35:32
these bosses, you go, you pug them, have fun.
35:35
I would never teams should never if this was to become like the
35:39
norm and their lock up became like heroic.
35:41
No team is going to be killing that first boss twice for only
35:44
three people have a chance at loop because you also have No,
35:47
they wouldn't do less chance at loop.
35:48
You're you're you're, I think you're not quite understanding
35:52
how detrimental this becomes because there's so many people
35:55
like fired Up that had the top the best like 2 mages because of
36:00
splits. That's not right.
36:01
Like that sort of mentality doesn't exist.
36:03
It's out of the top 25 it. Trickers down and then this
36:06
becomes a little bit, this makes it a little bit easier.
36:09
So I'm not going to say it's going to be all groups.
36:10
I think that your group and the way that you're describing it
36:13
might resist it, but people might might feel less resistant
36:17
where it's like, hey, why don't you bring your second warrior
36:21
because you didn't get the loot on this warrior.
36:24
That's still a huge waste of the raid time.
36:27
We're talking guilds at raid 3-4 nights a week.
36:29
That's such a massive waste of raid time to do that, to go back
36:33
in to, to kill on alts that you're never going to bring in
36:37
for Maine Broad. Nobody's like I am not worried
36:39
about that happening. That's not going to happen.
36:43
You particularly split the team right where you're like, OK,
36:47
you're sitting out. We really Sean, you, you are a
36:50
great player. You play all sorts of tanks and
36:54
you can play them at good levels for for all of them.
36:58
This this tier warriors the best at a tank for like 9 out of 10
37:04
of the fights. But man, do we need ADK for this
37:07
fight, right? Normally somebody else would
37:11
switch their DK over, or perhaps you have ADK that you've been
37:16
gearing on the side. Wouldn't it be nice to like have
37:21
the the DK be brought along in a flex team where it's like, OK,
37:30
these ones that we've got down, we're going to bring your your
37:33
DK as a, as a extra little thing that we'll funnel the loot to so
37:38
that the Prague boss we're going to deal with.
37:40
Especially since particular trinkets are like from the raids
37:46
are just like better trinkets than a lot of the stuff that you
37:48
get from other sources. You would just bring that
37:51
character to your main right? Like no serious raid team is
37:56
wasting Prague time on an alt like this.
37:59
Just it's not happening. There's just no way that that
38:02
that mentality, the mentality of splits existing, you know, it
38:06
might extend to top, I'll say top 100 maybe might have
38:10
optional splits, but it's not that's not an issue that that
38:14
exists beyond that they people on teams lower than that don't
38:16
have time, They don't have the desire.
38:20
Yeah, it's not, that's not something even like consequence.
38:26
They're I think they were #25 this year and #1616 this year
38:30
they had one optional split run. So it's like at like man, that's
38:35
16th in the world, right? It's not, that's not something
38:38
that would would happen that just it wouldn't trickle down
38:41
like that. If it was going to, it would be
38:43
happening already and people would be running heroic splits
38:45
and stuff like that. It's just you're not going to,
38:48
especially for two night and three night of A grade teams.
38:50
Prod time is so important. Heroic splits don't.
38:53
Heroic splits would never happen because mythic plus out gears
38:56
heroic the. Heroic splits definitely
39:01
happened. That's the entire.
39:02
Sorry, I apologize like but like for the like teams that stop at
39:06
heroic like if that's their. Prague Manny.
39:09
I don't If teams stop at heroic it then the mythic laco doesn't
39:15
matter to them. It already functions this way so
39:17
that's so you can use teams that stop at heroic as the the same
39:22
like look like if we're talking about having mythic lockout
39:25
function the same way that heroic lockout happens.
39:27
Now teams that only get AOTC aren't running any kind of
39:31
splits and aren't doing any of these.
39:33
You know nobody's going back and re killing bosses for alts.
39:36
Also you would have a chance at less loot because the loot save
39:40
is based on the number of character.
39:42
The loot you get is based on the number of characters who are
39:43
eligible for loot in the run. So if you kill a boss with 20
39:48
people who have been saved and five people who aren't saved,
39:51
you get one piece of loot instead of five pieces of loot.
39:53
Which is why they do splits with full characters funneling that
39:57
gear. But that like if we're if we're
39:59
talking about heroic only teams, that doesn't it doesn't happen
40:01
now and splits are super prevalent.
40:04
So it's never, I don't think. I think we're talking about too,
40:07
like I think we're conversation split somewhere, split somewhere
40:11
or think our conversation diverts somewhere along the way.
40:13
I'm, I'm saying that for specific bosses that you want
40:19
the, you want the, you want the trinket or whatever particular
40:25
piece of gear that is really sought after to then use that
40:28
character in. Would you not bring those guys
40:31
in on those fights as like, because you have the
40:36
flexibility, right? And yeah.
40:39
You would like you would bring if you were, if you're so let's
40:43
say it's Paladin Zist here you have somebody swapping, gearing
40:46
up their Marksmanship Hunter because marksmanship was
40:48
required for the first couple of weeks.
40:50
You would definitely bring them in for early bosses as you
40:54
killed them, but you're not going to run a whole second raid
40:57
for that is what I'm saying. OK, so you sub.
41:00
So you would sub out somebody and still keep it at the let's
41:03
say 15 is the magic number. You still keep it at whatever
41:06
magic number, but well. No, if it's flex, you're going
41:08
to go up to 25. If it's flex rating, you're
41:09
going to push to 25 no matter what.
41:12
I you know, I was using this. Here's an example. 20 being the
41:14
hard cap. If you have flex rating, you're
41:16
going to if you have flex rating.
41:18
Everything on farm you push to 25 to get as much loot from
41:21
those as possible. Yeah, yeah, whatever your Max
41:24
roster is. And if you don't have 25, you
41:27
bring in, you know, you probably bring in friends or your best
41:31
social players or whatever to get to.
41:33
It's yeah, you definitely run at 25.
41:36
The only time you would not run 25 is if your Guild just
41:38
literally didn't have access, and then you would run whatever
41:41
Max you had access to. OK, Yeah, I, I don't, I, I'm
41:45
really confused because I thought you were saying that you
41:47
would go and kill the bot, clear the raid up to whatever you're
41:51
progging on, and then come back in and do it again for an alt if
41:57
there was no Lockwood. It's what I thought you were
41:58
saying. So if that's not what you were
42:00
saying, I applaud and none of this conversation matters.
42:02
But that's what I thought you were saying.
42:03
And that is not going to happen. That that scenario.
42:06
That's why I said you would pug it.
42:08
You would just go and pug it yourself.
42:09
No, you would bring in the like the I don't want to call them
42:13
carries. They're the less optimal people.
42:16
You would bring in as additional people to the farm bosses so
42:21
that you they would be geared for the boss that you want to
42:24
kill them on. And the only the Prague boss you
42:28
would have the ideal number. Everything that you have on
42:30
farm, you would just stuff to the stuff, the roster as full as
42:34
possible to get as much gear as possible to further your Prague.
42:40
Yeah, that's, I mean that's. I guess if you use the flex.
42:45
No, that's I mean, that's literally how mythic rating
42:47
works Now today, in this moment, whatever boss you're progging
42:51
next, you are using your farm time as you get back to that
42:56
boss, to Prague to make sure the characters that you're using for
42:58
Prague have the best chance at the gear that they need.
43:02
So like that's that's literally mythic rating today and for the
43:07
last have since back to shadow lands, I guess, and probably
43:10
before since I've been playing. That's just how I'm at the
43:12
grating. I am super confused That's.
43:14
But you don't. Like that's nothing new.
43:17
But like you have those characters that you wouldn't
43:20
like, let's say boss 2, right, requires that you bring DKS, but
43:27
you're not going to use DKS in the future bosses, right?
43:30
So you have the you have the DKS for that.
43:32
They get benched, benched for later, but usually those are
43:35
taking up slots, right? And so you would you, you need 2
43:41
DKS out of the 20. So 18 of the slots are like what
43:45
were you what we're gearing 2 of them are the mandatory to get
43:48
through this fight now because you can go up to 25.
43:52
You're not actually losing those 22 slots.
43:56
You're actually just going like, OK, we'll have 25 people geared,
43:59
2 of the slots will be there. But on the Prague fight, we're
44:02
not going to put 25 people in. We're only going to put in the
44:05
like 15 that we need or whatever magic number it is, right?
44:10
Only the Prague boss. You would go for the magic
44:13
number. Everything that's on farm, you
44:16
would stuff the roster as full as possible.
44:19
I don't, I mean, I don't. So where is the world first
44:23
teams I suspect would maybe try to find what is the easiest
44:28
number to kill this boss And but even then, I don't think they
44:32
would. I'm I, I'm fairly certain that
44:34
if we get flex rating because teams right now you need 20
44:38
right now, teams right now run like 24 ish that #24 ish, you
44:43
know, 23 to 27 that range. They run that.
44:47
Now, if you gave us flex like last night, everybody put 25
44:50
people who had 25 on the roster into spore fall.
44:53
There was no like, hey, it dies better at 15.
44:56
So 10 of you were sitting if your raid cap goes to 25, you're
45:01
and you have 25 on your roster, you're putting 25 in that fight.
45:06
Like there's no boss. Yeah, yeah, definitely 100%.
45:11
Hey, it's an extra piece of loot.
45:12
But B, why would you have people on your roster that you don't
45:16
think are capable of frog? It's I feel like that's a jump.
45:23
Like, why are they there if they're not?
45:24
If they're not good enough to Prague, why would you have them
45:26
on the roster? I I would think that there are
45:32
like there are points where it's like when you're doing the
45:37
flexibility. I don't think, Manny, I don't
45:40
think you're going to like the comments we get on this.
45:42
Episode this is going to be fun. This is going to be fun.
45:44
I I think that when they introduced the flexible rating
45:49
right, there were particular break points where you wouldn't
45:53
get a third iteration of the mechanic, or the shield would be
46:01
small enough, or you could cut it, or you wouldn't need a an
46:05
extra healer or whatever. Whatever it is, it allowed the
46:08
fight to be tackled easier. Right.
46:13
In the pug world, that happens, you know?
46:16
Hey, 20 is our sweet spot. You're only bringing 20 in the
46:19
pug, but a Guild is entirely different.
46:22
If if you're in a heroic Guild that could take up to 30 people
46:24
and has 30 people on the roster and is benching people because
46:28
they think 25 is better or 20 is easier, leave your Guild 'cause
46:31
that's a shitty Guild. You kill the boss as a team.
46:36
You don't kill the boss with 10 people sitting on the sideline
46:38
because somebody decided they weren't as good.
46:41
That's it's not. Again, like you're you're you're
46:44
jumping to they're not as good. And what I'm trying to what I'm
46:47
trying to say is that as a whole, the fight is quote UN
46:51
quote easier. It's not like anybody could sit,
46:55
draw straws, whatever. We just don't have to deal with
46:58
this, this third one. And because we don't have to
47:00
deal with this additional hurdle, we can kill this quote
47:04
UN quote wall boss easier and get to future bosses, right?
47:10
And I think that even though you're right as a team, you can
47:15
do this and you can put in put in the effort and you will get
47:20
this down in the terms of a race where that much, that much
47:26
competition and time is is there.
47:28
If you could say, OK, let's go down to X amount of people,
47:34
secure this win, get ourselves on the Hall of Fame or whatever
47:39
thing and get to the next boss which doesn't have this wall,
47:43
right. I believe that teams will feel
47:46
pressure to do so. And it's a similar kind of
47:51
pressure as well. We could do this without the
47:53
week or, or we could just do this week or it's like, yeah,
47:58
why? Why wouldn't you, right?
48:00
There's going to be like a we're kind of screwing ourselves if we
48:03
don't do it. And if we don't do it, the
48:04
competition might do it and therefore we're going to we're
48:07
just disadvantaging ourselves. Even though our team can do it.
48:12
Echo was able to do it. They didn't do it faster than
48:16
Liquid and that came with whatever consequences that they
48:21
want to say method and do it. They weren't able to do it as
48:26
fast as the other two teams. And so there was a consequence
48:28
along with that, right. Like I feel that there is a
48:33
difference between saying that like it's easier and why
48:37
wouldn't we make it easier and the assumption that like, oh,
48:42
we're benching you because you're bad.
48:43
It's like, no, no, no, you're not on this team because you're
48:46
bad. People in World first teams are
48:50
by no objective standard bad players, but I I would think
48:57
that. I, I need to be I, I don't give
49:00
too sweet fucks what the racer world first does.
49:02
They're ultimate like they are ultra degenerate.
49:05
They are not indicative of the rest of the player base.
49:08
So if they're doing that, if the top ten are like, that's fine
49:11
that I. I think it'll happen in in many
49:14
different break points. I think if that happens in your
49:16
Guild, it's a horrible Guild and it's a toxic Guild and you
49:19
should leave it and. I think I I can let that
49:22
statement stand, yeah. That's, I think if a Guild is
49:25
doing that, if you're in a Guild that has the, you know, if
49:28
you're getting benched, because it's going to be slightly easier
49:30
to do 20 people than it is to do 25, leave that Guild.
49:34
Leave it because that's, that's yeah, that's awful.
49:39
And it's I, I say the same for heroic as well.
49:41
When I, when I joined Facer Forged in EUI was raiding with
49:46
them a couple of years ago when I, when I joined and agreed to
49:49
help, they were discussing benching people to get a kill on
49:55
Anserek in Nurbar Palace. They were like, hey, we, we're
49:58
close to a kill. We think we want to bench these
50:00
three people and then be good to go.
50:02
And I told them in no uncertain terms that I would not play if
50:05
they benched people. It's you can't in this, this was
50:09
that guild's case, but you can't ask people to not pug ahead of
50:13
the Guild, especially if you're in LTC Guild.
50:14
If you can't ask your Raiders, don't pug ahead because we get
50:17
kills together as a team and then tell X number of players we
50:21
get kills together as a team except for you that's insane.
50:25
If you're in a heroic Guild, everybody should be in for those
50:29
kills if they're if they're there and physically able to
50:32
play, everybody should be in for those kills.
50:35
Otherwise, why do you have these people in the roster?
50:36
That's I anyway, we and they didn't, we didn't bench anybody
50:40
that killed it the next week. And the the it's funny because
50:42
the no, I'm not going to talk about it.
50:43
We killed it the next week and now that's a like a standing
50:47
thing for them. Like they do heroic.
50:49
They don't bench anybody. They run whatever their
50:50
ostracize is. That's what they run.
50:53
It's yeah, especially at the heroic level.
50:56
There is no reason to do that. If your Guild thinks we need to
50:59
sit people because it's easier to kill this at 20 than it is at
51:02
22, leave that Guild. Leave it, find a new one because
51:08
that's bad leadership. Sorry.
51:10
That's and I know what happens in heroic deals because they
51:13
people, they think, they always think the problem is somebody
51:18
holding them back. Oh, we would kill this if it
51:20
wasn't for Pone God X, which I realized is a character that now
51:24
has. And all of this time I've been
51:26
using Pone God X as my example, but it's a real character that's
51:30
not. Black managerial baby.
51:34
Yeah, anyway, I would love flex rating.
51:38
I think you should unlock after Hall of Fame.
51:40
I don't think I think Hall of Fame should be hard locked at
51:41
20. I think once Hall of Fame ends,
51:43
they should open flex rating for the raid.
51:45
That's my stance on that because I just think it's good.
51:50
And this I I even if they don't unlock flex rating, if flex
51:53
rating never gets unlocked like that, give us this lockout, give
51:57
us this mythic lockout system, because it's just so much better
52:00
for pugs. Now you're not screwed if you
52:02
join a pug. You kill the first boss and then
52:04
everybody leaves. Now you can't even fight the
52:05
second boss. It's just this system is great.
52:09
I hope it's a test bed for that. Yeah, All right, let's move on.
52:15
Omnium, Omnium Folio. Omnium Folio came out.
52:20
They buffed some of the nodes. The healing nodes got a buff.
52:24
It's currently doing. If you've unlocked it, it's
52:26
account wide. That's a nice win.
52:27
You don't have to do the quest chain or even do like, hey, I
52:29
did this. Skip it.
52:30
It's just unlocked for your party.
52:32
The quest chain was fun. There was some issues because
52:37
everybody was trying to tag certain mobs at the same time
52:40
and there was tag limits being hit it we have to give Blizzard
52:43
some leeway. This is the first time they've
52:44
released a patch where there was issues with mobs being farmed
52:47
and tagged by multiple people. So we're going to give them some
52:50
leeway and expect that to get fixed.
52:52
They did post that they would fix it that they the post was
52:58
thanks for the report reports there is a fix on the way for
53:01
the tagging issue. So good for them.
53:03
So you know one of those first time problems that they haven't
53:05
encountered before. So but the on the info that came
53:08
out, it's it's doing about .25 to .3% of your damage now and
53:14
that should ramp up to somewhere in the .6 range.
53:17
If nothing happens between now and the last node being
53:21
unlocked. I'm pretty comfortable saying
53:25
that this set of buffs will not be the final set of buffs we
53:29
see. I am willing to agree with you.
53:34
I think that it's funny that they had to do 40% buffs to the
53:41
healing and still it is like it's a very hard place to be
53:45
because you want the tuning to be good.
53:49
You want them to be able to be significant, but you also don't
53:55
want the damage and healing numbers to be so high so as to
54:02
like suddenly become spike damage that we, that we were
54:06
complaining about back in like Dragonfly and such.
54:08
So what do they do? Like buff all the stamina, buff
54:14
the DPS into healing. So it just equates a basically
54:18
just a flat sort of thing, except everything else that
54:21
hasn't been bounced against. This is just easier.
54:24
I don't know. It's a, it's a strange thing
54:26
that they have to balance and I I feel for the designers and the
54:32
dev team that has to work through this.
54:35
But as the prophecy first told, buffs soon and then nerfs later.
54:42
I actually think that I will probably not see the nerfs
54:46
because it'll go out while we're levelling.
54:49
So there's no real reason to do anything other than when you hit
54:53
91 you'll feel suddenly a way weaker.
54:58
Well no, we won't be levelling again till last Titan.
55:00
This will be gone by then. This is just midnight.
55:02
That's. What I suspect it'll be as you,
55:05
instead of it being turned off, it'll just say at 90, at above
55:10
level 90, you're no longer affected by this.
55:13
So you'll be doing your level, you'll hit 91, and then suddenly
55:17
you'll be like oh God, everything hurts again.
55:19
Yeah, what happened? Why did my gear go Omni folio?
55:24
The question was fine, I like Rawith and I'm Brick so more of
55:28
them is good. We'll see how I feel on week 4
55:32
of having to go do a task for these guys who are the most
55:35
powerful magisters in the world and who seem to be drip feeding
55:38
me access to this tool that they want me to use to save their
55:42
city. Whoa, You have to get through
55:44
the puzzle. That crazy, crazy puzzle.
55:48
Which? No, just.
55:49
Just click. Yeah, just click solve it for
55:51
me. I did 1 and I was like OK I've
55:53
seen these do it for me openworld content Manny fast I
55:59
want it yeah. Speaking of buffs and debuffs,
56:08
there was some bugs. 12 point 0.7 didn't launch cleanly.
56:11
Now it wasn't anything like 12 point 0.5, probably because half
56:14
the content hasn't launched yet, but there was some issues with
56:19
the cooldown. Manager stopped tracking certain
56:22
buffs and debuffs for friendly players and any player name
56:25
plates, and they are working on a fix for that.
56:29
But on top of that, the friend list is now randomizer.
56:33
It no longer listed alphabetically, it randomly
56:35
changes the positioning of people on the list and your
56:38
favourites have been removed. So.
56:42
I don't know. I am telling myself that that is
56:45
happening because they're getting ready for cross region,
56:47
that they did something to the friends list because they're
56:49
getting ready to set up cross region.
56:50
That's how I'm getting through that.
56:52
But I got. An excellent piece of copium.
56:55
That is isn't it though? Those are the only two like bugs
57:00
that I think people came across that I even that I noticed and I
57:03
haven't even. Other than the friends list
57:05
thing being a mild annoyance, I didn't really notice them.
57:07
I think the friends list thing was horrible.
57:10
I was trying to reach out to you and there was an entire thing in
57:13
the fast discord. About my phone number.
57:17
I was just like, I was writing each other to you and the
57:19
friends list was gone and I'm like, which?
57:22
Which character is Shawn on? It's like, oh Riddle me this,
57:25
it's a special character from a game from the show, blah blah.
57:31
Blah, you have my phone number and not less than two discord
57:35
DMS with me. I got to be honest.
57:42
Oh like other than I'm going to say this may be a bull
57:47
statement, but I think the launch of 12 point 0.7 and the
57:52
portion of its content that launched with it, I think it
57:56
was, was pretty good compared to 12 point 0.5.
57:59
Now we didn't get trimming the time waves, we didn't get the
58:01
campaign quests. I can't remember what else is
58:04
supposed to be in there that we didn't get yet.
58:05
But those two things are the big ones.
58:07
But lower lower walking 10 out of 10 amazing.
58:11
The new zone, while it's boring as pissed not buggy so.
58:17
Next week, it's the other one. Next week get the other one and
58:20
then I guess the the new tier 6 ritual sites came out for people
58:26
who didn't get enough ritual sites 12 point O .5 but I've not
58:29
heard of any issues with that. So other than and actually
58:34
knowing now that you were unable to reach me because of the
58:36
friends list bug, I think that's a feature.
58:39
So. I just, I, I just wanted to type
58:44
in skip in the in the like quest.
58:48
Oh, let me buy a Val. Can't buy a Val.
58:52
So yeah, I mean, All in all, I think the launch was was decent
58:55
for this this patch. So kudos to Blizzard for that.
58:59
They said, you know, 12 point 0.5 wasn't acceptable.
59:02
We're going to do better and they did better.
59:04
So I think anyway, have you noticed any issues?
59:08
I would say not came up earlier than expected by like several
59:15
hours pretty smooth pretty smooth.
59:18
I did obviously see the friends bug as we've been laughed about
59:21
here, but that was the only one that I really encountered.
59:25
The 12 point O 5 was like such a mess, such an absolute mess.
59:29
So hey, and I got to enjoy a little bit of the Easter eggs
59:34
that weren't really in the patch notes.
59:35
There's like this entire soccer thing that you get to do where
59:39
you can like get your tabard of like corridor alliance, kick the
59:43
ball around and then get the core for that.
59:46
I actually put in some lights around my garden and I was happy
59:51
about that. So I like actually went back to
59:54
my house, which is I felt good that he go back and be like, Oh
1:00:00
yeah, let me just. Now I can put these torches down
1:00:03
and that sort of stuff made me think that like, oh, I want to
1:00:06
do more with the housing, but that's that feeling's not going
1:00:09
to last. It's not going to survive the
1:00:11
like, oh, content that actually pushes me, but I'm happy it's
1:00:15
there. Yeah, poor housing.
1:00:17
I like those tabards. I wish they didn't have the
1:00:20
World Cup trophy on the back because the front of the tabard
1:00:23
is beautiful and I would definitely use it.
1:00:25
Hey, you just had barking. My dog was just somewhere
1:00:28
barking. I don't know what room of the
1:00:31
house she was in or what was going on, but it was happening,
1:00:34
man. We got one more piece, one more
1:00:35
piece of news before we say thanks to some amazing folks.
1:00:39
And then I have a question for you, the Mount Collector, on
1:00:41
your thoughts on something. But last piece of news, we had
1:00:46
more Lura nerves. There's quite a few here.
1:00:48
I'm going to read through them quickly, so if you're still
1:00:52
frogging Laura, this is all good news.
1:00:54
So Glimmering damage reduced by 20% on Mythic difficulty.
1:00:57
Reduce the spread of Midnight Crystals and Dust Crystals so at
1:01:00
further reducing the need for multiple decays * Splinter,
1:01:04
which is the intermission ability, can no longer target a
1:01:07
player twice at the same time. We've actually seen three at
1:01:09
once, which was wild, on a seed holder no less, and did not
1:01:14
wipe. Special shout out to Dottie Lou,
1:01:16
she's an incredible player at this game.
1:01:18
Critical criticality, which is the circles in Phase 2 cast time
1:01:22
is increased to 4 seconds was 3/1 of the more common causes
1:01:26
for wipes is your seed carriers. They drop the seeds in the
1:01:29
middle and then everybody spreads for criticality.
1:01:31
One of the more common reasons for wipes is a seed carrier
1:01:34
dropping late or dropping and picking one up and having to run
1:01:37
back in, so that should help with that.
1:01:39
Dawn Crystals now begin pulsing radiance after 6 seconds.
1:01:43
On Heroic and Mythic difficulties it was 5 seconds.
1:01:46
So this is when you set your crystal down.
1:01:48
You have longer to pick it back up, which because of a note
1:01:51
coming up later will really only be a factor in P2 and I guess
1:01:57
intermission and then dark constellation cast time.
1:02:00
This is the P3 stars connecting is increased to three seconds.
1:02:04
Was 2.5, which I think will actually have a weird push on
1:02:08
effect because you use when you're doing the matching game
1:02:11
in P3. The second set of constellations
1:02:15
is your mark of like hey, you have to have it done before this
1:02:17
or you die. Shifting these to be longer
1:02:20
actually makes that a tighter check.
1:02:23
And the radiance damage reduced by 50% on heroic difficulty
1:02:26
only. And the tears of Lura.
1:02:29
This is if your crystal carrier gets hit by a by cosmic damage.
1:02:33
Now is only one soak on heroic, it used to be two.
1:02:37
Still 2A Mythic, and this is the big one.
1:02:39
Resonance no longer triggers Tears of Lura.
1:02:43
So resonance is when Lura does the Dirge of Despair, puts the
1:02:47
symbols out, and then the beam goes by and hits people.
1:02:49
When you get hit by that beam, it causes resonance.
1:02:51
So in Mythic you have to drop your crystal, get in that beam,
1:02:56
and then pick your crystal back up.
1:02:58
This is a huge cause of wipes in P1 for a lot of teams.
1:03:01
We're talking there are teams that like 500 plus poles.
1:03:04
For this boss, we actually did quite well.
1:03:06
We were only 284 but there are teams that are like 500 plus
1:03:09
poles and it's mostly P1 and the glaze are the biggest issue.
1:03:14
And one of the things that was happening is people would drop
1:03:16
their crystal to go in for their dirge of despair to get hit by
1:03:19
the beam and then a glaze would hit their crystal and wipe the
1:03:23
rig Now or they would have to decide I hold my crystal, I get
1:03:28
hit by the beam and then it spawns 2 soaks and then you miss
1:03:30
the soaks. You shouldn't miss it.
1:03:32
Soaks are pretty easy but people were missing soaks so those are
1:03:34
the biggest causes. But now in P1 once you pick up a
1:03:37
crystal you you don't put it down until intermission when
1:03:41
you're dodging your * splinters, which are now easier because you
1:03:44
can't get 2 at a time. Huge nerf for P1.
1:03:48
Huge nerf. Great for teams that are
1:03:50
progging Lura right now because it makes it much easier than it
1:03:55
was before this nerf. And for those of us going in for
1:03:58
re kills should make re kills easier as well.
1:04:02
How many more times do you think we're going to see tuning to
1:04:04
Lura before the end of the tier in eight weeks?
1:04:12
I don't know, I would say that if they want to nerf it another
1:04:16
two times, so be it. Like it just wow, the nerfs just
1:04:20
keep coming. I don't know what the final form
1:04:22
will be. I could I could see them.
1:04:26
Yeah, I I'm going to say 2 would be fine.
1:04:29
I think that it it's good to keep pushing it up until people
1:04:35
can no longer qualify to get their CE or their AOTC.
1:04:39
So go ahead more to merrier. Keep going.
1:04:44
Every week feels like a lot even like even like I just feel like
1:04:51
developer time will move on to new content as we're putting out
1:04:59
the new raid. Like once we get the new raid
1:05:00
testing in that I almost feel like it just goes kind of quiet
1:05:04
on on the current bosses, but it's still time to do like 2-3
1:05:10
more sweeps along this these bosses.
1:05:15
Manny, is there anything you'd like to say to the patrons this
1:05:18
week? I mean, I would love to give a
1:05:21
big, big thank you to our patrons.
1:05:25
I know that we haven't been talking about the Patreon for a
1:05:28
bit and we just started talking about it and the a lot of
1:05:32
support and the constant support that you guys have been giving
1:05:34
us is really appreciated. For Ezraf will always be free,
1:05:39
but if you like what we do, consider becoming a patron.
1:05:42
There is even a free tier. So this week we have 3 new
1:05:47
patrons we have at the uncommon rank.
1:05:50
Steve C, Thank you for your support.
1:05:55
At our rare rank we have RAC and at the Epic level we have
1:06:02
servers Snoop. So thank you all for your
1:06:06
patronage. Now, what is our last topic,
1:06:12
Sean? There's a special amount coming
1:06:15
to China. It's an adorable panda.
1:06:18
It's region locked, but Pyvex did put a post note that today.
1:06:23
Will you see this? We're going to use the traders
1:06:26
post to bring mounts that are special to a promotion or to a
1:06:29
region to other regions, eventually opening up to all of
1:06:31
them. I want to know, as a mount
1:06:35
collector, how does it feel knowing that you're out here
1:06:38
collecting these hideous bugs just to make the number go up by
1:06:41
1:00, but you can't get this beautiful, adorable panda?
1:06:47
You know, on most days I would be super thrilled to see this
1:06:53
panda come into the trader's post, but I'm also a little
1:06:59
weirded out because earlier you had said that you really like
1:07:02
pandas and it wasn't Lily, and now I'm worried.
1:07:06
I'm attracted to the mount. No, I think that it's great like
1:07:13
we have seen them do the Alec in Germany and then bring that out
1:07:19
to a larger community through like giveaways, through contact
1:07:25
features much like us and other people.
1:07:27
We have seen them do particular, particular things and then put
1:07:32
it into the traders post. And I love that they are doing
1:07:36
that. I think that they don't always
1:07:38
have to go into the traders post.
1:07:40
I think that you could eventually do a event that is in
1:07:46
other regions and and have that come out in in that way.
1:07:51
I guess it takes less effort to put it through the traders post.
1:07:56
The traders post, I guess is the path of least resistance, but
1:08:01
generally just being able to get all of those into the game in
1:08:06
all regions is a great way of fighting a bit of the FOMO.
1:08:12
I know that there will be people be like, yeah, but I want to use
1:08:15
my my tenders for this and for that.
1:08:18
And now it's an additional thing that I want.
1:08:20
It's always going to be the struggle, which is also part of
1:08:23
reason that I'm like, yeah, don't always put into traders
1:08:25
post. Feel free to like throw it on a
1:08:28
vendor for some gold or have it be like a little Twitch
1:08:32
giveaway. I have seen a lot of people who
1:08:35
are getting tired of the plushies, so you know, go ahead
1:08:41
Blizzard, put it into other offers.
1:08:46
I want my panda mount give it to me now.
1:08:49
In other news, I'm re rolling to China realms.
1:08:53
How do you get through the Great Firewall though?
1:08:56
I sign up like Matt Damon did in that movie.
1:08:59
Actually, I actually really like that movie.
1:09:00
By the way, have you seen The Great Wall?
1:09:02
Matt Damon and I think it's Pedro Pascua.
1:09:07
Oh wow, I would love to see a movie with those two and I don't
1:09:10
I don't know about this movie. And Willem Dafoe.
1:09:13
Willem Dafoe is. I'm I'm in bivolous on the
1:09:17
Dafoe. I think, I think it's Pedro Pesc
1:09:20
and now I can't remember man. I'm, I'm going to get that wrong
1:09:24
and people are going to be like bro.
1:09:26
How did you? What's the one where it's Pedro
1:09:30
Pascal driving the? Pascal.
1:09:32
He nailed it. OK, what's the?
1:09:34
One anyway. Oh, that's with Nick Cage.
1:09:37
That's I don't know what that was called.
1:09:39
He does that weird smile. Yeah.
1:09:41
Yeah. I don't know what that was
1:09:41
called, but check out. I actually.
1:09:44
So the Great Wall critics hated it, but I really enjoyed it. the
1:09:48
IT turns out the Great Wall of China was built to keep these
1:09:50
monsters from running over the city.
1:09:52
They spawn every X number of years and they train people to
1:09:56
protect the wall. It is a beautiful, glorious
1:09:59
visual treat. I definitely recommend The Great
1:10:02
Wall. If you haven't seen it, you
1:10:04
should watch it. It's a fun.
1:10:05
It's not like a deep thriller or deep thinker.
1:10:08
It's just a fun movie with a nice fantasy setting.
1:10:12
It's very cool. OK this this is like fantasy
1:10:16
version of what the hell was the one with the Kaiju?
1:10:21
Pacific Rim. Pacific Rim, it's give me
1:10:24
Pacific Rim sort of feel, but. Thanks.
1:10:27
Maybe I don't think you're going to get Pacific Rim feels if you
1:10:29
watch, but it's very good. It is very good.
1:10:31
All right. Maybe that's the show, I think.
1:10:36
Until next time, may all your hits be grits.