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610 CKTB| Premier Ford’s Wild West Retail Security Plan · Kvetch & Release

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  Speaker 1: One of the great storytellers on the show. We love
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  Speaker 1: having him on is a former newspaper publisher and broadcaster.
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  Speaker 1: John Litkey is here and John always sends me interesting emails,
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  Speaker 1: and he says, Gene, today I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: buck a beer to boutique Bounty hunters Ford's wild West
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  Speaker 1: retail plan. I have an inkling. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about doug and pepper spray.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Jeene, well warning, welcome to the mad Max phase.
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  Speaker 2: I guess of the doug Ford government. We have moved
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  Speaker 2: from fixing systems to arming individuals. I guess the premier
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  Speaker 2: looked at the five and a half billion dollar police
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  Speaker 2: budget and said, I don't know what to do. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work. I can't guarantee you're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: mugged at them all. So here's a ken of hot sauce.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck. I mean, we've gone from open for business
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  Speaker 2: to armed for business. I mean, talk about that in
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  Speaker 2: record time.
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  Speaker 1: Yikes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's honestly quite silly. Here he's saying,
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly, I can't fix the courts, I can't fund
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  Speaker 2: the police adequately, so it's up to you trying to
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  Speaker 2: get some mace in your eyes. This is a total
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  Speaker 2: admission of policy failure. If the premieer is telling you
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  Speaker 2: that you need a weapon to go buy milk at
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  Speaker 2: the grocery store, he's telling you that his premier suit
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  Speaker 2: isn't working anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I think one of the big
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  Speaker 1: problems is that we need bail reform because what happens
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  Speaker 1: to these bad guys when they do smash and grab
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  Speaker 1: robberies is you know, they get arrested, but the road
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  Speaker 1: and bail the next day, and then they reoffend and
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  Speaker 1: I realize that the jails are filled full of people.
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  Speaker 1: But Douga is now saying, give everybody pepper spray and
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  Speaker 1: build more jails. I don't think that's going to solve
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  Speaker 1: the problem.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to solve the problem either.
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  Speaker 2: It's really as I said, it's just it's a total
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  Speaker 2: admission of policy failure here. I don't understand it. I
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  Speaker 2: recognize that there is a need for bail reform beyond
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  Speaker 2: the bail reform that we add under the Trudeau government
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  Speaker 2: that's created many of the situations that we've seen here
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  Speaker 2: with the revolving door cycle of criminal justice and that
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  Speaker 2: needs to be dealt with. But the situation can't be
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  Speaker 2: dealt with by just simply throwing your arms up and
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  Speaker 2: saying it's up to every citizen to deal with on
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  Speaker 2: their own. Now, listen, are their merits to having it
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  Speaker 2: pepper spray? Sure? Maybe, But I heard your last guest
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  Speaker 2: that you had on talking about. You know, imagine how
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  Speaker 2: the Alcud's Day event could have gone if everyone had
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  Speaker 2: pepper spray. I mean, or imagine in a situation like
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  Speaker 2: a Shopper's drug mart where someone decides to discharge in
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  Speaker 2: an enclosed space. You're talking about a lawsuit that could
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  Speaker 2: bankrupt municipality.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when it comes to drug stores and retail
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  Speaker 1: out let's. You refer to the situation the problem we're
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  Speaker 1: having as the shadow police force. What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: by that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean he was talking yesterday at the presser
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  Speaker 2: about wanting to give security guards quote real power to
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  Speaker 2: arrest people. We already have that power in the Criminal Code.
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  Speaker 2: It's called citizens Arrest, Section four nine five. I believe
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  Speaker 2: what he's looking at doing here, he's talking about creating
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  Speaker 2: a shadow police force, and I don't think that that's
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  Speaker 2: necessary here. Could you imagine a world where you walk
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  Speaker 2: in and you have nineteen year olds wearing security vests
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  Speaker 2: at Shoppers drug Mart being treated like their Delta force.
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  Speaker 2: By the premiere, I mean, this is nonsense. You're talking
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  Speaker 2: about getting police level powers to eighteen dollars an hour
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  Speaker 2: rent to cops with mall level accountability. This is just
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  Speaker 2: beyond the pale. We need to have actual policy discussions.
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  Speaker 2: But this is what we talked about yesterday. Gene the premiere.
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  Speaker 2: He's so good at the bluster and the bravado, but
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  Speaker 2: the second that you decide to dive into beyond with
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of introspection, it all falls apart like
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  Speaker 2: a house of cards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I do have some knowledge about
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  Speaker 1: this because I've interviewed a lot of lawyers about those
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  Speaker 1: stand your ground laws, which we really need in Ontario
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  Speaker 1: and in Canada. But a lot of the reasons why
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  Speaker 1: there are security guards in drug stores and mother retail
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  Speaker 1: stores it's because of their insurance regulations and they have
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  Speaker 1: to have one or two security guards on the floor. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I remember being in an Apple store because I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a new charger and of course they got changed around.
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  Speaker 1: So that has been one hundred and fifty Bucks and
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  Speaker 1: the security guard who was in there. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she's an absolute just I'm sure in her privately she's
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  Speaker 1: an absolutely delightful woman. But I mean the security guard
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  Speaker 1: was like, so can wet maybe eighty pounds, five foot
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  Speaker 1: four with a bulletproof vest on, and if a smash
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  Speaker 1: and grab robbery occurred in that store, I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: could she possibly do aside from a runaway cry or
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  Speaker 1: lag your finger at them and say don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Your mum would be so disappointed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and who wants them to actually engage, right, because
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  Speaker 2: I'd yet to hear of a security guard actually engaging
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  Speaker 2: in a situation like this. In most cases they still
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  Speaker 2: sort of act with the hands off situation. We live
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  Speaker 2: in this very concerning liability environment where nobody wants to really,
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  Speaker 2: you know, get their hands dirty, which is why it's
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  Speaker 2: so surprising to see the premiere looking to get our
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  Speaker 2: hands dirty here. But look, you could just look down
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  Speaker 2: the four oh one from where you're at, Jane, down
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  Speaker 2: to Windsor and we've got success stories here.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Windsor we launched with our Windsor Police Service,
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  Speaker 2: our Windsor Problem Orienting Policing also launched a dedicated retail
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  Speaker 2: theft department, which is staffed by a specific officer. And
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  Speaker 2: what they do is they work directly with retailers and
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  Speaker 2: what they helped them file police complaints, which is one
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest things. Then they helped them follow up.
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  Speaker 2: They guide them through the whole process, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: just a black box and gosh geen. They found some
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  Speaker 2: really really great success stories from this. For example, last year,
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  Speaker 2: between just three days December third through December sixth, they
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  Speaker 2: partnered with fifteen retailers. They arrested thirty two people, laid
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  Speaker 2: thirty three criminal ts charges, recovered three thousand dollars in
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  Speaker 2: stolen property, nineteen counts of theft under five thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: four counts of engaging in prohibited activity, three counts of
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  Speaker 2: failure to comply, one count of fraud under five thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: This can be done, Jean. You don't need to go
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  Speaker 2: and arm people in the shoppers drug Mark. We can
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  Speaker 2: just use actual data and known policing techniques to achieve success.
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  Speaker 1: A text messager from the two White nine says what
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about with security guards. It's called detected and
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  Speaker 1: Observe Report that's the security motto. Not many companies still
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  Speaker 1: arrest anybody, you know. I was in a store, it
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  Speaker 1: was an LCBO where somebody just walked out with a
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  Speaker 1: forty pounder of vodka and I said to the guy
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  Speaker 1: that the counters, are you not going to do anything?
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  Speaker 1: You said, dude, I make minimum wage and I've got
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  Speaker 1: two kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can say anecdotally that when we do
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  Speaker 2: hear reports and windsor of the results of these types
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  Speaker 2: of engagements, we always noticeably don't hear anything about the LCBO.
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  Speaker 2: And from what I've heard, again anecdotally, is that the
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  Speaker 2: LCBO doesn't work with the police on this program. They
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  Speaker 2: don't provide the numbers of the theft. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's because it's in such large numbers that it would
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  Speaker 2: look poor upon the government. But again, this all comes
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  Speaker 2: down to one thing, Gene. Yesterday, the Ontario Chiefs of
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  Speaker 2: Police Association distanced themselves from this. They came out and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: We weren't consulted on this. Give us some time to
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  Speaker 2: put together a little thought. Please, When we have the
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  Speaker 2: police chiefs coming out and saying they're finding out about things,
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  Speaker 2: from Colin Demelo tweets or Brian Lilly Collums. We've got
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  Speaker 2: a problem here and we do so. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: we've gone from protecting Ontario to protecting the narrative. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get you some freshly ground pepper spray with
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  Speaker 1: that steak, mister.
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  Speaker 2: Ledke, Only I was with fresh butter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, churned, well running? Wow, what a what a first hour, John,
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  Speaker 1: You're a great storyteller. Thanks once again as usual. If
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  Speaker 1: we don't talk to you before, we'll be talk into
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  Speaker 1: you next Tuesday. Okay, hell cheered. There you goes, John.
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  Speaker 1: Let keep love having him on the show.