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Super Mario Bros. (The One Where Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo Aren't Brothers) · The Worst Movie Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Ada.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I'm Aaron.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_04: And this is a podcast where we watch the worst movies ever made in the hopes of finding a hidden gem.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_04: Enjoy.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: Have you decided how we should categorize this selection of films?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't, but uh I just want to apologize to everyone for making you guys watch these movies.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, they're not necessarily watching them.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: They're just listening to us talking about it.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you two in particular.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: John will watch them, I'm sure.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, John.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, only I think only one of the three you kind of imposed.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's true.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: As a guest, I feel slightly responsible.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Although out of out of the three, if I were going to recommend one, it would be knockoff.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: That is true.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe job well done.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, you really turned that around from an apology to It was a setup.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Acceptance gratitude.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was a fake.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: That was a near masterful.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Layton, uh, what have we been watching lately?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um not much since the last episode.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, should we have an answer?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: A little peek behind the movie magic.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we watched Tinu and I watched the drama.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh which I suggested because I thought it was a romance movie.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: I thought she would like it.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um which I knew is A24, so I thought there was something up.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um went into it with no expectations.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Really enjoyed it.
• 2:04
  unknown: Yeah.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: What did she think?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh she loved it too, yeah.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was have you seen it, Aaron?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Would would recommend.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh is it difficult to watch?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: I get there's some parts that are I mean, I literally stuck my head under the blanket at one point.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I can't watch this.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: It depends on what you mean by that.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like if I had legs, I would kick you.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: Did did you see that?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: Or do we talk about that?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: I yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if we've talked about it.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: I hated that.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: I watched it with John and he was like, why did you make so it's it's not like that like hard to watch.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um have you seen Marriage Story?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: Marriage Story is one of those that like were was on my list for so long, and I was just like, I have to take this off because I was never in the mood to like like sit down with Kelly and be like, hey, let's watch Marriage Story.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's it's not like it's not.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't watch that with anyone.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: Have you watched Marriage Story, Landon?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I wouldn't say it's like that.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean, it is it, it can be hard to watch the drama, but it's not, it's not quite like his extreme of like that.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: But it's probably best to go in with no expectations.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you don't don't watch a trailer, yeah, don't listen to us talk about it anymore.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: And just watch it.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, I didn't mention it last uh episode, but I went into knockoff without anything.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know a synopsis, I didn't know who was in it, I didn't know anything about it, even what kind of movie it was.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I that was the best way to go into that.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I you could read the entire Wikipedia page and have no idea where we're going into it.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I could watch it a second time, but I don't know what the what the flaw is.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's a mystery every time you see it.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: The same could be said for today's movie.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron, what have you been watching?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I just started watching Tires, uh, Shane Gillis.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: That was you stole my what I was gonna say.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_03: What do you really?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about it so far?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: I keep like I'm I'm really nervous about Shane Gillis.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like waiting for the other shoe to drop sometimes with him.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like I but like in the show or in real life?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_04: Just in real life, him.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm I I feel like we're just waiting for the news article to come out and I'll be like, I knew it.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but yeah, I don't know.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but I just keep laughing at the show.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's so stupid.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_04: And there are jokes where I'm like, I shouldn't probably be laughing, but I can't help it.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_04: It seems very real.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like blue color the office.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_04: I think that he said it's actually just filmed in like a real tire shop that some one of their dads owns or something like that.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like it does, it does feel it feels like a student project or something, kind of like like early uh clerks or something.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: Have you watched the new season, Lane?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: I have, yeah.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Have you finished it?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, is there a new new season?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like just came out?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: Third season, yeah.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: It came out.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, last week.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: I might be the least informed movie slash TV guest you could possibly pick.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, third third season's out now.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm more than halfway through it and uh couldn't enjoy it more.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm somewhere in the second season right now.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: You said it perfectly.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: There are times where I'm just watching, I'm like, I should not be laughing.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's almost it's like almost offensive, but like the right kind.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's not it's it's not as bad as sound.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's yeah, but it has a little bit of that like 90s element of like, yeah, we could make fun of you know uh people in this way.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Most definitely saw his when I first saw beautiful dogs his stand-up, I was like, damn, this is hilarious, and uh could probably get canceled for liking this so much.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think that his stand-up joke about Navy SEAL, like his uh his girlfriend's ex was a Navy SEAL, and like he didn't even know that that was a possibility that like he could date someone that was his her ex was a Navy SEAL and that he doesn't relate to Navy SEAL.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's this hilarious joke about how he like identifies with the Taliban because they're just regular dudes like him, and it walks on the edge of being offensive so well that's one of the best written jokes I've I've ever heard.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and I just think that he's so good at at that where somebody could be offended by it, but he's not really punching down at anybody.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like he's really good at making his jokes about the stereotype and not making the joke about stereotyping people.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if there's a distinction to me with his comedy that I feel like he's really good at.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the whole Uncle Danny, his Uncle Danny with Down syndrome thing is a great example because he's like, I fucking love Uncle Danny.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's like the happiest dude that I know.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_04: He's just like a better time than anybody else.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like this nothing, this is just this funny, like this dude makes grilled cheeses, secret grilled cheeses in the middle of the night that he sneaks into restaurants.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm making them at night.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great stand-up.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Lane and I have been watching Furious with Emmy Rossom on Hulu.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Have you guys seen that or anything about it?
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-uh.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: Very different totally, tonally than Tigers.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's basically a cop chasing a serial killer miniseries, and it bounces between both pers perspectives.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I forget the name of the actress that plays the serial killer.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, not really a spoiler, but we find out who she is in like the first scene.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: She's super creepy.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um and the whole thing deals with like sexual predators and abuse and all that stuff.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_03: So like pretty dark stuff.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: But really fun.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it actually there are quite a number of like funny parts.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's not one of those depressing watches where it's just like low the whole time.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually, I think, balances tone really well.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like given a dark subject, it's not like trying to be like so self-serious about it and just make you like depressed the whole time.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, we're enjoying it.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: I just brought you guys down.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking about Shane Gillis and watching this show about sexual abuse.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna take a nap now.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh all right.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you want to transition to one of the greatest bad movies of all time?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: How do you transition from that?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: How do you even segue?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I should just redo that whole part again.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: Hey guys, have been watching.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: We'll just cut you out.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: Super Mario Brothers, the original film.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: We've planned to cover this in half the categories we've done so far.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think the uh um the video game category for sure.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: Remakes.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: The remakes.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: One of the most fascinating things is like this is not available to stream anywhere.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, clearly, Nintendo or whoever was just like, nope, we want to erase this from everywhere.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can't rent it, you can't buy it online digitally.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I had to go old school and buy a DVD and pass it around to you guys.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_04: So this I wrote in my notes that this felt like watching smuggled footage out of North Korea.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's not supposed to exist.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like I'm maybe breaking the law.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: A used VHS copies$300 on eBay.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not exaggerating.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Which I believe I have stashed away somewhere.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to look that up.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: You didn't know you were a millionaire.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you told me this movie was created by the North Koreans, like they'd never they'd never seen Super Mario Bros.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: the game play or not familiar with the IP at all, besides just what what was like on the cover of a game, um, that's what this movie feels like.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: I guess I'm jumping ahead too much.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: But well, I don't want to I was I'm just gonna jump ahead with you because I think that's one of the things that I appreciated most about the movie was how non-canon it was.
• 10:41
  unknown: Yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Where you're just like, sure, yeah.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh I don't even I can't even think of an example because it's so insane.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like so it's almost like they were making another movie and then just turned it into Mario Brothers.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I have a whole list of things that I'm like, I mean, just the the lowest hanging fruit of like it's called Mario Brothers.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: They are plumbers, and the name of the company is Mario Brothers Plumbers, and then they're like not even brothers in the movie.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like his hummo is like, I think of you as my mom, and I guess the backstory is he like found him also as an orphan and adopted him.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Just make them fucking brothers.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's so easy.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_04: And their names are Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: So good.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's not even like this.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: This isn't like a canon nitpick of like, well, actually, the you know, yeah, no, it's yeah, this is just it's in the name.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the name of the franchise.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: But in a world of like, you know, in the last episode we talked about how there's no more like one-off action movies anymore.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's like um yeah, like franchises.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, franchises.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like kind of refreshing to see a movie that has absolutely no regard whatsoever for canon.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed it.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was kind of fun.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: I agree.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: We've talked about this before, but studios back in those days used to be able to take chances on movies that they didn't think would be a huge box office success because they knew they had DVD or BHS sales to back it up on the back end.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: And so you would get weird movies like this where it's just like it's okay if it doesn't make a hundred million dollars at the box office.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna get rentals and it'll be fine.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, like, I feel like the 90s was the end of that kind of era.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Once we switched to streaming and stuff, you don't see those kind of just weird like Super Mario Bros.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: would be a huge movie franchise now.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Even back then, it was hugely popular.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: The fact that they took such a huge franchise like that and then made the weirdest fucking movie out of it is the most 1990 thing ever.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: That like yeah, they just swung for the fences, and the the result was something that you'll probably never see again.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's probably true.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um well, we've got a lot of backstory.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how much research you guys did on like how this movie got made because I I just 90% of my notes are trivia.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I the whole time I kept Googling stuff like why why did Dennis Hopper make this movie?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh why did you know so and so Oh Dennis Hopper.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh highlight of the film.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um I'll I'll run through real quick.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: So it was directed by a husband and wife team that directed Max Headroom, which have you guys ever watched that or do you know my I haven't, I've heard of it.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know of it.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't watch it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Same here.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's probably going on my watch list now.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh written by a lot of people.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um I guess I'll jump out a little like it got rewritten several times.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: And the last time, like without the director's not like they were mid-shoot, and it got rewritten, like mid-shute, and they didn't even tell the directors.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, so that makes sense.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the directors were basically locked out of the editing bay when they were cutting the final film together.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think they did get back in, but I mean there were just all sorts of tension between the producers, the director, the um the cast.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: So star starring Bob Hoskins and John Laguizano as Mario, Mario and Luigi Mario, uh respectively, Dennis Hopper as Bowser.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and King Koopa.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, King Koopa.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they didn't even have Bowser in this.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um Samantha Mamathis as Daisy, my favorite Mario Kart character.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Fisher Stevens, I forgot that he was in this.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was a big that was a a great reveal when uh he showed up on screen.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I had seen him in several shows as an adult, and I was always had this feeling I was like, why do I know this guy?
• 15:15
  unknown: Yeah.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Then it's because I watched Super Mario Brothers, the movie dozens and dozens of time on VHS as a kid.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: I I love him from hackers.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh oh yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: 27% on Rotten Tomatoes, uh, budget of 48 million, made 39 million at the box office, um, but probably made a ton on DVD sales.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'll go through some of my trivia and then you guys feel free to jump in.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: First, American live action film based on a video game.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: So they didn't have much precedent.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's a lot of uh stuff that I tried to uncover or read about Nintendo's relationship with this movie, but my understanding of it was they were basically like we don't care.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: The Mario brand is so strong that you guys do whatever you want, and they didn't really see it as a much of a money-making opportunity.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't really care to take much control, so just like do whatever you want.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um but that was their first mistake.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but it basically, I mean, they it scared them off of making movies for you know, based on their IP for 30 years.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: 30 years, right?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it wasn't until the Super Mario Brothers movie, they animated one three years ago that we've had a Nintendo movie.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's the same.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: We got like three Sonic the Hedgehog movies before we got another Mario.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then think of like, you know, Doom and you know, all the like it just there have been I'd prefer not to think about Doom if we could that was the only one that jumped to the top of my mind.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but yeah, I mean I feel like we've had the Street Fighter movies, we've had uh Borderlands, um B no Nintendo movies.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's not really a video game strictly adaptation.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think it was a video game aft made from the cartoons IP.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is it comic first, right?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're right.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: So production was messy.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: I guess I don't have to go into all the details of it.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: It seems like the the producers start out to what you were saying earlier, Landon.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're like, let's get weird with this, let's get crazy.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why they went after these directors, because Max Headroom is kind of this weird futuristic aesthetic, and they felt like this would fit here.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: The directors definitely took it in a direction that I think went way farther than the producers wanted or anybody really.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: Part of what was curious to me about this movie is the the business model, at least in the producers' heads, was this is directed at kids.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: This was definitely at a time when it was, I think most people were like, well, video games are for kids.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like today where people are like, yeah, we're going to adapt this IP and expect that the average age is a 40-year-old watching this.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, this is a kid's movie.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: But the directors shot she scenes with strippers and like sexually exploited content and ludicrous that had to that got edited away in this, but there are pieces of that throughout the movie.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: They just they wanted to make their own that vibe is still there.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it's still through.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have a few I have a few points about that.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, it seems like they were just kind of going off the rails.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it seemed like the cast too just didn't get along.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Bob Hoskins called them fucking idiots.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: The rest of the cast?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Bob Ha Hoskins said that about the directors.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: He called them fucking idiots.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: And apparently he him and Leguizamo would get drunk each day before they filmed and just continue to drink between takes.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: That sounds right.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that sounds like uh what I watched.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: And Hoskins said it was his worst career experience.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't find any anybody who seemed to disagree.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like that, at least.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: I loved that the writers said that they were trying to write like a Ghostbusters or a Wizard of Oz, like subversive comedy.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: And they said that they basically did what Shrek did before Shrek, you know, the subversive fairy tale type story.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like these guys are just pulling names that like did not do that at all.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I saw that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: It seems like the list of references for for like inspiration for this movie.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, there's no thread between these movies, much less from those movies to the movie I just watched.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: We really deserve a director's cut.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: Comparing this to Ghostbusters or Shrek is like very uh it's very aspirational.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: We we can barely get our hands on a theatrical cut.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think the director's cut.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what else?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: Deep in the Nintendo vaults, it's sitting there somewhere.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Hopper, Dallas Hopper was on Conan.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, so take this with a grain of salt.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's just um yeah, maybe just riffing for jokes.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: But he said his son asked him why he played uh King Koopa, and he said, Well, Henry, I did that so you could have shoes.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: And his son, son quipped back, Dad, I don't need shoes, shoes that badly.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's yeah, I just watched Speed uh a couple weeks ago, which is another Dennis Hopper villain.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so good.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, great.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: I love him.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: He was hamming it up in both movies, and I loved it.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I actually thought about this a little bit.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: He 93 Super Mario Brothers, 94 Speed, 95 Waterworld.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like wow, the Dennis, yeah, absolutely.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: He just absolutely on fire.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen Waterworld so many times.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: I love Waterworld.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I haven't seen it that many times, but I lived at my grandpa's for a little bit.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: He lived on the country, he had satellite TV.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like Waterworld was like on all the time.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've probably seen Waterworld 30 plus times.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: I think that Waterworld, if it was given another chance with the public today, I think it would uh do fine.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: I r read some backstory about it recently because when we started this podcast, I was like, Oh, we gotta do W Waterworld.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um it it actually wasn't reviewed that poorly.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: It seemed like it was well known as being the most expensive.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: We ever made.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: Before it came out, and like that hurt it in the bots office.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody expected to see some crazy spectacles.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Mostly just water.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, water is fucking expensive.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, let's see, what else?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: Did you look at the people that tried to either get the rights to this movie and be in it, or like the some of the potential cast for this movie?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: I loved that.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: That was my favorite part of the background of this movie.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: So Dustin Hoffman tried to buy the rights originally, where he he would play Mario and Danny DeVito would play Luigi.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: And it would be directed by Barry Levinson.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I want to live in that timeline.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: And then the original screenplay was written by Barry Morrow, who I I don't know the name, but he's apparently an Oscar-winning writer.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_04: And he wrote this like really dark Rain Man type.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: I guess he wrote Rain Man, and it was like he wrote a plot for this movie originally that was so similar to Rain Man, they called it Drain Man.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: And basically that movie did not get made.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, there were a lot of names tied to this Schwarzenegger, I think.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Why is Dustin Hoffman is quite uh you got the Rain Man director, Dustin Hoffman himself, and then uh you got the the Bob Hoskins connection with Hook.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hook, yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: He was Smee.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which Hoskins almost didn't do this because he was like, I've I've done a string of uh kids' movies in a row.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't want to be the kids' movie sky.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's so great.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think of him not actively, I guess, but upon watching this and thinking about Hook, I was like, this guy played a big part of my childhood.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: By the way, Hoskins apparently didn't even realize it was based on a video game until mid-production.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: And his kid said something about it.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's very little to indicate that this is a video game movie for kids.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's not for kids.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: My eight-year-old son was very intrigued, and I was like, no.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, there's nothing really bad in it.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't, you know, it's not like there's bad language or violence or anything.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's just adult themes.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's some undertones there that you think he'd pick up on it.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of cleavage.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of big birthda cleavage.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: You certainly watched it when you were that age.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, and look at me.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want my kids turning out like me.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, certainly not.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh my favorite casting uh what if was the studio thought about Tom Hanks for Luigi.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: But actually uh decided against it because he had a string of box office failures.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: So that's my that was my favorite note.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: The Tom Hanks was too bad to be in this movie at the time.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: Did you see that they offered uh the director job to Harold Ramis and he turned it down?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and said it was the he that he was glad and that it was probably one of the best decisions of his career to try to Yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, did you guys like the movie?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um I you know, the beginning I was like, oh, this isn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's some things I really enjoyed.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I love the opening sequence.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Mario's gone all these years without anyone explaining how the hell he goes from our reality to the mushroom kingdom.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like, we have to explain every aspect of this.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and you get the great the voiceover at the beginning.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I forget what.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Brooklyn 2007 or something.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: I forget what it was, 1990s, whatever.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so I loved all that setup and how the meteor caused a splinter reality where dinosaurs evolved into humanoid creatures as well that had but they had dinosaur ancestors.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: I loved all that.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but there was a point um where I was like, oh, this movie must be really short because they're like putting Koop King Koopa into the de-evolution machine, and I was like, oh, this must be like getting towards a climax.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this movie moved pretty fast.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wrong.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was just like, damn, there's the movie just kept going and going.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I did it start to enjoy it again towards the end, but I had a large chunk of the middle of the movie.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a bit of a slump.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: It really dri it was it was way too long.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know how long it was, but if 100 minutes this is uh 80-minute movie territory, probably sufficed.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: 75 minutes.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree with that.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: I would agree there are things about it that I liked uh about it.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: The plot makes no sense, but I liked uh similar to Knockoff, there was a lot of like practical sets, practical stunts.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it was just it was like it was not a Mario movie, though.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: It was something else entirely.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: So if you wanted Mario, it was horrible.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Amanda has been a Mario fan her entire life.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh biggest Mario person that I know personally.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: She would not even look at this movie.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: She was on the couch next to me and she hated it.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like there was nothing about it that made her be like, oh, Mario.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's not a Mario movie.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'll get to the list, but uh yeah, they're not brothers.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: They don't they make a half-ass attempt at even like looking like the Mario character's costume at the end.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but most of the movie they're they're not in costume.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's no and it just seems like a warped, like you saw through a mirror some poster of what Mario was, and you just picked and like chose certain items, you were like, oh, there should be mushrooms.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna have those giant fungi that covers the the mushroom kingdom and does a great practical set prop, by the way.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_04: I love the sets.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: The sets were cool, like the what do they call it?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: Dino Hatton or whatever, when the alternate reality it looks like nothing like like not even a hint of any Mario level you've ever seen in any game.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: The sets, the whole movie's steeped in this similar barbed wire uh like 90s vision of the future that I think is like a ab just a fascinating aesthetic.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm like, I'm not smart enough to do this, but I would love to read some analysis, like an essay on what was in the air at the time that made people be like, this is the vision of the future.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, similar to like if you look back, I've read stuff about like the Jetsons, like why people envisioned the Jetsons as the future and how that reflected these things in society.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I know that's asking a lot of academia to analyze this movie in that way.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, but it's a it's a dystopian future where the aesthetic is a lot of like punk leather chains, like rivets.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um like a techno-dystopian, like there's a lot of technology gadgetry that is not like slick and Jetson style, but it it's crude and uh I don't know how to describe it.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's got like kind of a grunge element to it, like it's gritty and grimy, not like sleek futuristic.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Which is how you describe Super Mario Brothers, right?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Commonly thinking.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Where's this on your five-star scale, Aaron?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: This is a three.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_04: There were there were things about it.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't mind watching it, like looking at it.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: Plot was terrible, it was too long, but there were things about it that I liked.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: I thought that they used a lot of CG that I thought wasn't necessarily great, but it was really ahead of its time, I felt like for 1993.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: There was this one shot that was a fully computer-generated city that zooms in from the city into a window, and we see our main actress through the window, and it like zooms in through the window to her.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: And it was it was a like it didn't look great, but it was an ambitious shot, I will say, for CG at the time.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to point out that before you say it's ahead of its time, this came out at the same year as Jurassic Park.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: I know, I know, but there was no shot like that in Jurassic Park because I think what made Jurassic Park work so well is they knew the limitations of the technology.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: This one was like, fuck the limitations.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want a fully digital Bob Hoskins jumping into the Dino universe.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's this.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: That was uh my biggest no of like that's the best, maybe the best good bad part of the.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they shot the moon with the CG in this one.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's phenomenal.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this looks horrendous.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is amazing.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that is like your your eight-year-old turning in his project today, and you'd be like, Great job.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like, good job, buddy.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: You tried.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's a little jeering.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: I like I thought that it it you know, it wasn't um a success, but they tried.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I liked about this movie in general, was that you would never see this nowadays.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: This feels like a relic that is special because it's so weird.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't agree with that sentiment more.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And this goes back to like the fact that I just franchises and canons, and it's like it it's overtaken everything.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it was uh truly refreshing to see something that just did not seem to have any concern for what the source material was.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: I would agree.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: I don't need a Mario cinematic universe uh with like a lore bible.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: I want like more movies like this that are it's just so weird that like how did this get made?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: I want a documentary on the production of this movie, like Apocalypse Now style.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would certainly watch that, but I feel like I disagree with everything you said before that.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: I I think I think this podcast has ruined you.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh because you're like, you're like, good job.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: They tried.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I I guess there's part of what you're saying.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: I agree with the first part of I really want to see movies that take risks and are weird and out there, but only if it's in the service of a story that's compelling and I'll just stop there, or performances that are shattering and like that inspire emotions and whatever.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: But like this didn't have any of it.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: The story made obviously everybody wants to watch the great uh new uh creative movie that's inspiring and original.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: Every movie would love to be that.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: Then most movies aren't that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_04: I would rather watch something weird like this that's bad than watch like the bland Netflix slop that they make.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like those uh these movies have been replaced by the Netflix slop in my mind as the bad movies.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: I would rather watch something weird and original like this than I'm not like def gonna defend Netflix slop.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't want to watch that either.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: I guess maybe if anything, my argument is this was like corporate slop.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: We just we just need to make a Super Mario Bros.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: movie.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so let's just hire a bunch of people, not have a cohesive vision, or even figure out how we're gonna get from point A to B.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: Let's just throw a bunch of things in there.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is slop.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like it's the opposite of corporate slop.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas to me, in my mind, when I think corporate slop, I think of what Disney has done to Star Wars, where it's it's similar to that.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: There's no cohesive vision, there's too many writers, too many directors, same sort of problem.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_04: But in in my mind, that's over meddling by the corporate entity.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_04: And this movie is under meddling by the corporate entity.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: They were completely hands-off, and that's why it's so I mean I think I think Nintendo is hands-off, but the the production company was very hands-off.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's what created a lot of disruption.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe the d director's cut is actually this like I mean, I don't think I don't think they even got to like because it kept changing even mid-production, so they they they never even got to realize their vision.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe whatever it would have originally have been would be some crazy their version of the Matrix or whatever, and we'd be like, oh, that's awesome.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: I did see a a quote from I think one of the writers who said that they redid the ending of the movie, uh, and that um if they had gone with the original ending that he had written, that it would have saved the plot of the movie.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't know if that's possible, but yeah, I don't know.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's that might just yeah, be a little revisionist history, but yeah.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh to kind of summarize the conversation you guys just had with a little throwback to the last episode.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Ade just wants the vegan gourmet pizza.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: And Aaron is down to throw down on a Tony's.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm slumming with the frozen Tonies.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is the frozen Tonies, absolutely.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: This might even be uh a knockoff Tony's.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is not an officially sanctioned uh Mario's pizza.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: I was I wasn't prepared for for this argument necessarily, so I don't have like a bunch of reference off the top of my head, but the the movie I watched most recently that I felt like was really out there but worked well was Nirvana, the the band, the show, or I I forget what however like the band the show, the movie.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, something like that.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um like that's a good example of something that's just really weird, but comes together, it works.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's a story that's interesting, and you get into it and it's funny, and it's I didn't get any I didn't get anything out of this.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't laugh with it, I didn't think about anything.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't it didn't even like shut off my mind like, oh, that's cool.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like everything looked like I mean this is the exact you're doing the thing where it's like, why would you watch barbed wire when you can watch uh I I I enjoy shutting my my brain off and watching it doesn't have to be like heady or cerebral or anything like that.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like I also actively avoid like the pretentious Oscar stuff too.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't like that stuff.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: I probably would prefer watching barbed wire over.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I hey my watch list is public.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: You can see what I watch.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um you could you can look at my watch list and I don't know anybody else who goes through and watches all the Oscar nominee uh Oscar nominees every year.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't do that.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_04: I think you do.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think my watch list is full of Oscar nominees.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and then my actually watched is a bunch of are there any poly shore movies on your actually watched list?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Not lately.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we'll we'll save that for Poly Shore month, I guess.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I'll have to be back for that because um Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: There were things about the uh Koopa world or the Mushroom King.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: What what was it?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean Mushroom Kingdom, right?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it he calls it a Mushroom Kingdom at one point.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh too.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: But the the Manhattan level or whatever, where wherever they are.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean there was stuff about the set that I that I appreciated.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it was crazy.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: There's some shots there that I'm like, a lot went into this because there's so many extras.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um and one of the and they're big sets too.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're huge.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_03: Did you did you guys have a favorite extra?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because I have a very specific one that I had to watch several times.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Favorite extra.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where you draw the line between extra or like minor character.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because I loved Toad.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Toad as a I mean, he had a pretty big part.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: He did, yeah, actually, yeah.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um especially Goombafied Toad was really great.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and and uh Toad was like a street preacher.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why that character just like made sense to me.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is a lot more fun than the Toad in the new Mario movies, like kind of annoying a little bit.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh anyway.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't seen any of the the new Mario movies.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_04: Either?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: Are there only two?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: There are two.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Two.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't seen Galaxy, but I I saw the first one.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was really good.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: Totally entertaining.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: Did Amanda see it?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: Nope.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think so.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_04: If she did, she saw it without me.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: She'd love it.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: It definitely had a lot of fan service in a way that wasn't like the the at least most of it paid off, I think.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: The first one.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think Chris Pratt works as Mario?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: I remember that was the big discussion at the time.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's just his voice.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think it all worked really well, but that's kind of the point that I'm getting at with why I love this movie is because it's like the new ones are like yeah, it's like it's like watching a train wreck.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's brilliant.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, the more we talk about how bad it is, I kind of think I like it more.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like as far as bad movies go, this and knockoff are like some of my favorites to watch.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't I don't want to sit there and dive into the plot of it, but like they look interesting.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_04: I like the sets, the action is usually pretty good.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm offended this got three times the percentage on Rotten Tomatoes that Knockoff did.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Knockoff deserves a better rating.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'll give it that.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: This this deserves a worse rating.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: How about I say that?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like you want to go with the other thing.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: 27% seems incredibly generous for this movie.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: I felt like it was boring for a bit.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you said it's in the middle.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's just a long stretch of it.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's like they just keep making new things that they have to conquer, and it's not it's not anything different or new.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't really make sense.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: In my notes, I had um the scene with the Goombas dancing in the elevator, which was actually pretty funny.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: But at that after that scene, I was like, holy shit, this movie's still on.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_04: And that scene was so long.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was like that's a that's a very quick bit.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like they rode the wheels off of that one.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love that it was referenced again later in the climax of the movie.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um can we go back to the extra thing?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because I I have to point this out.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I think for for people that so much of what we've been talking around, like what this is like, but uh again, it sounds like they're strippers shot and stuff, like a lot of that is very close.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: What made of the movie is very close.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a scene where Mario and Luigi get arrested when they're in this alternate dimension.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: They show up at the cop intake desk.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's this high desk in the cop there with the big ledger or whatever, and he's like booking them.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, do you know what I'm gonna say?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: The whole time the cop is talking to them in the frame is this high heel massaging his shoulder.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: This woman's foot is just into his shoulder and massaging him.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, what the hell is that foot?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then it like cuts very briefly, like you blink and you miss it.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I had to rewind and watch this three different times.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's this woman laying back on this the top of this intake desk uh in spandex kind of revealing outfit.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and in between her legs is a pitcher of ice, like a tall glass pitcher of ice, and she's just laying back, rubbing her heel into the cop's shoulder.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's not referenced, there's no story there.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a lot of explain it.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: And it's I felt like watching closely this world, there was just a lot of that thrown in.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot to look at in the background of this movie.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: I do have a favorite extra.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: When they first get there and they're making all the jokes about, oh, we must be in Brooklyn or the Bronx, or like, oh, I haven't been to Manhattan for a while, things have really gone downhill, or whatever.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it cut it's cutting to all these random scenes of chaos, and there's a guy riding his bike into a barrier and flipping over the handlebars and wrecking, and it's shot from behind.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you realize that later in the film, during a different action sequence, that they shot that from a different angle as well, and reused the same footage of the guy running into the barricade, flipping over the handlebars.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that catch that.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: That guy's my favorite.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Slightly related.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: My I I don't know if you call her an actress.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: She actually had a line.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: My the worst character is towards the end.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: Mario's going in and saving.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't even talked about the plot.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think we'll get to it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: But he's saving his girlfriend.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's not n needed, I don't think.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: He's saving his girlfriend.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there are a bunch of women that were kidnapped by Fisher Stevens and Spike and what's his name?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: Iggy and Spike and Koopas.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Great, great characters.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: And Mario's like, be quiet, trying to like sneak in there.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: And and one of the women just yells, Hey Mario.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't know who he was beforehand.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: Just says his name really loud.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: I I didn't think that was funny.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: There were a lot of unnecessary plot points on side characters.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, why did they need to have all the girlfriends and other women that were like kidnapped by the King Koopa?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: When my the first when you first said that there were strippers in the film originally, that seems like a rewrite where they're trying to work around having all this footage with all these women.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's like uh King Koopa's steal he's kidnapping all the strippers.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're all very like the they're dressed uh somewhat seductively.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: They have a uh they all have a way about them.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: And there was uh this did make it in the movie uh line that made me a little uncomfortable.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: Koopa's talking to Daisy, and he said, You know what they say about little girls, don't you?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: They say they never forget the first time they're kissed by a lizard.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, I remember that.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um gross.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_03: By the way, the other line that I wrote down, which was just batshit, there's a scene where Mario and Luigi are trying to get this crystal back from Big Bertha.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: And Mario's like, I got it.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: And they're at this club, which is plenty of great extra fodder in this this club.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's it's like Barbwire's club in uh in that movie, um the way it's set up.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, and so he's like, I'm gonna go.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: His plan is basically to hit on Big Bertha in order to get the crystal.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: And he walks up and he says, Hey, the name's Mario.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm your main man, your Rama Dame, a can of spam.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like what kind of pickup line is that?
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it worked though.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: It worked.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Which made me I thought about Mario's a two-time, you know, he's got this girlfriend who he isn't aware is trapped in the mushroom kingdom at this point in the film, I don't think.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, he he take he accepts a big old kiss from Big Bertha uh at the end of the sequence there.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he didn't seem to have put up too much of a fight.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, isn't the rule like if you're transported to an alternate dimension, then you're single in that dimension, right?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the same, you know.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Hall pass for dinosaur women with rocket boots.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: I do love some of the nods to like where they're like, oh shit, we have to make this about the video game.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, okay, they can jump really high because they have these rocket boots.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: But they don't have rocket boots in the game.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make any but it's it's not the rocket boots that are important.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's that Mario and Luigi can jump high.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're jump man.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: By the way, by the way, I didn't I it also bothered me they didn't even try with the like this is a whole race of lizards that just look like people.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_04: Cuba just has like dreadlocks and they're like it's the the idea is that the when the meteor hit Earth, it split dimensions, and both dimensions evolved humans.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's just that our dimension we evolved from apes, and in their dimension, they evolved from lizards.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_04: So they still look like humans, they just have dinosaur ancestors.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, but the path from from blizzards to humans is way farther than the path.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like we basically still look like apes, we're just not as hairy.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't have tails or you know, anything that lizards have, you know.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: The cuisine in the movie is all uh like cooked bugs and cooked lizards and more raw worms.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: I did, I'm sorry, I have to jump back to favorite uh uh extra is actually when uh King Koopa ha somehow takes this big de-evolution machine and puts it into the Super Nintendo blaster uh that's spray painted a single color, and the sort of mob boss that's trying to derail Daisy's paleontology project, they de-evolve him into a chimpanzee.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like a chimpanzee in a suit with these two Italian guys that are the associates of the mob boss, and they're like, boss, what happened to you?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: And there's all these like Yeah, anyway, that was that was a pretty entertaining scene.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't think that that's scientifically how it would work either.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think I don't think if you would de-evolve us, we turn into chimps.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: Why didn't he just hit the evolve button on himself like a bunch?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like I feel if you have an evolved evolve machine, you just evolve yourself into like the greatest, you know.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Not not if you're a narcissist, you know.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I wanted to say this earlier and we're kind of jumping around anyway.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: So um I love that Iggy and Spike uh are actually secretly supporters of the original king of the mushroom kingdom, who is Daisy's father.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um we haven't mentioned that there's no peach in this movie.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're secret servants of the the actual king of the mushroom kingdom, who is one of the best parts of the movie, who is the mushroom that is everywhere in this movie.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the fungus, sorry, yeah.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_04: The mushroom devolved into a fungus.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh he's throughout the movie giving Mario and Luigi Bob-ombs and things like that.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I love the cute little baob-ombs too, though.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad that they didn't make them to scale with the game.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: The whole ba-om sequence pissed me off, though, because he cranks it up and then just sets it on the ground, and it's this tiny little toy that just takes little steps.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, why didn't he throw it?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_04: He just sets it on the ground, and it takes like a month to walk over to where the enemies are.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_04: And it's pure blind luck that anything good happens when he does that.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's not blind luck, it's it's intuition.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Louis, actually, this is my favorite part about Luigi's character, and the he's introduced and he's watching uh some show about aliens and other dimensions.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like an HA aliens type show.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's got like a Bigfoot type tabloid, uh, and he's into all this conspiracy stuff, and he's very in tune with his intuition.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Oh, yeah, the running bit throughout the thing is he's like, trust me, and it kind of never works out until it does.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you know, to Mario finally listened to his brother, trusted him with the Bobam, and it all worked out.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't understand Mario's whole plan in going up against uh King Koopa at the end there.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: Koopa thinks he has the crystal and he has just this fake rock.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a standoff shoelace, I believe.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a standoff on this gangplank or whatever that seems to last like 10 minutes.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it does.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I have no sense of what's happening.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_03: It just seems like Koopa's just staring at him and Mario's just staring at him, and it keeps cutting away.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: And then at the end, Koopa gets devolved by I don't know.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: He gets devolved into a pile of slime, right?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just all the way down to the primordial ooze that created us all.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: This is off topic, but I I was just looking through my notes.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Fiona Shaw plays King Koopa's whatever, second in command.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there's a lot of back and forth.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: She was uh she was in The Avengers that we covered.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh she played father, uh, if you remember father and mother from The Avengers.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't she also uh Aunt uh uh Petunia and Harry Dirty?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: She in the Adams family as well, I believe.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe, I'm not sure.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I don't know.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: She was kind of hot in this, I thought.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: The the nine I was telling Amanda that like I didn't know this was uh what a petunia looked like.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, like the Dursley.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think she's a bunch of random notes that we haven't that I just don't even know where you would fit them in.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's do rapid fire.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: We're kind of getting towards the end.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I love the beginning of the movie.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um when it first shows uh uh Mario in Luigi's apartment.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's three plungers on the wall as a decoration.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the best.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe no one else was as tickled by that as I was.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: The yeah, the dance sequence with Big Bertha was really great.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, also when the uh Daisy has the stone because she's the princess of the mushroom kingdom, and the stone is a missing piece to the portal, which if put inside the portal will merge the mushroom kingdom with our reality so King Koopa can rule over everything.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um which by the way, he just has to show up and like individually shoot eight billion people with this de-evolve gun.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's his plan.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: That is his plan.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, he's evolved from uh T-Rex, King of the Lizards.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: When he's merging the two realities, the World Trade Center disappears from the New York City skyline.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was so this movie is ahead of its time.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I was like, this yeah, I noticed that.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is a little rough.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Another note.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love toad at one point Toad is on fire and uh they're in a random sort of alley looking thing, and there just happens to be a fire extinguisher for Daisy to put him out.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing special about it at all.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's not like Mario at all.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's the corporate headquarters or whatever for that they had broken into.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so okay, yeah.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: They've got OSHA and uh the Mushroom Kingdom.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh we didn't even talk about the car chase scene with like the souped-up police cars.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: That was what was up with that.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: They have to like ride on electric rails or something.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but they weren't on rails.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_04: They weren't always.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's like they got their charge from it and then they And they also didn't have brakes, they just had nets to stop.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_04: And they set all scoops on the front so they could scoop the cars up because they couldn't stop.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: That might have that felt like the most forced in a movie of forced uh elements, that felt like the thing that was really they're like, shit, it's the 90s, we gotta have a car chase in this movie.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh how do we explain this in universe?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: I was impressed uh uh with uh the onboard the dashboard technology.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: That did seem ahead of its time.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: It had Google Maps and he was telling him like the tunnel is closed or whatever.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: Luigi, how do you know how to use that?
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sitting around on my butt playing video games all day.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: Which we never saw him play b video games uh before that.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh those are most of my notes.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have one more note that I would like to cover before we wrap.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, what are the rest of your notes, Aaron?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I just I I only had really one.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_04: I just loved the scene where uh King Koopa is in like a mud bath for some reason.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that that was one of my notes.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: And he says, Do you know what I love about mud?
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's clean and dirty at the same time.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_04: And he says it like really sensually, and then like I don't know.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_04: It was the strangest acting I've ever seen.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it was really weird.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh I also wondered why he like the scene before that was when Myron Luigi escaped, and it's this whole panic, and he's got this whole plan he's been working on for years, uh decades, centuries, and it's all about to come together.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_03: And he's just like, I'm gonna go take a bath.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: Take a bath with my um right hand woman, I guess.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh um, I only had a couple more notes.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: Fiona Shaw, by the way, at the end, her hair turned into bones.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't notice.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh she became a fossil.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um how did Daisy know her name was Daisy?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_03: She was like dropped off in the in the in our world.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um she was birthed out of an egg.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which the nuns they seem to take like take care of that egg with reverence, where I'd just be like, why'd somebody drop a giant egg here?
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then I don't know.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is actually a hard movie to talk about because I'm realizing compared to other movies where when we jump around, the listening audience here could probably fill in the gaps.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're 45 minutes into this conversation and still like, oh yeah, Daisy was birthed out of an egg by none.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like she became a paleontologist.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh sorry, we forgot to fill you in on that earlier.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I feel like this is this is exactly the movie where like we can't even try because if we try to describe the whole plot, we'll lose people way worse than I'd rather just hit you up 45 minutes in with the yeah, like Daisy was born out of an egg, and just be like, what the fuck are they talking about?
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_03: Then try to like walk you through literally.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'll say that I don't think that this movie needed any love stories.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_04: It didn't need it didn't need a Luigi Daisy story and it didn't need Mario and his girlfriend Daniela, I think was her name.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, why is this in the movie?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Luigi Daisy I can't believe I'm about to say this.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Luigi and Daisy love story kind of drove the plot a little bit.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: What part did you cry?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the end when she like burst into their apartment.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, we gotta I need you guys.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: For me, I cried when she said she had to stay in the mushroom kingdom at the end.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_04: That was that was sad.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: So she could know her father.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_03: Did you watch the end credits scene?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: Did you know there was an end credit scene?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's what the thing I wanted to talk about.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good segue.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh did you see it, Aaron?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: The after credit scene?
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: Remind me.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just so happened to leave the movie playing through the credits while I was like finishing up some notes.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then the I was like, oh shit, there's an aftercredit scene.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_00: It shows two Japanese guys and they're standing there with a briefcase and they're saying, We want to offer you to make a video game.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the camera cuts to Iggy and Spike.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: And they each have a sort of uh, they're like, Oh, we'll call it Iggy's Adventure or whatever.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: They each have a thing for themselves.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then in unison they reply, We'll call it the Super Koopa Cousins.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then it just cuts.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was that was a treat, honestly.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was I like the those characters were full meta uh like lore dump there.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I forgot to mention this, but the when the mayor was like, I think we'll call you the super Mario Brothers or whatever at the end.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um you didn't like that link to the audience?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_03: Didn't quite work.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have alternate picks, Landon?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I was gonna say uh I don't know if I would feel good about telling anyone they should watch this movie.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um as much as I did have fun at times, the sort of middle drag that we talked about was rough.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm not super familiar with the source material.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: I do understand that this is also sort of a non-canon adaptation.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh around the same time, Judge Dread, uh whistlebuster stallone.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um same probably a lot of the same campiness.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm sure uh if there are hardcore Judge Drew Judge Dread uh comic fans, I'm sure that movie pissed them off the same way that this movie pissed off Mario fans.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my pick.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_03: I not to rehash this whole thing, but I'm not familiar with the source material of Judge Dread, but I feel like I can watch that movie and enjoy it in and of itself.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like if you didn't A Stallone one?
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I love the new the new the same, same same newest one.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh or I mean I say new, but it's like 15 years old now.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh but I feel like the Super Mario Brothers movie, it's hard to watch it and not be familiar with Mario.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't I don't know who who would end up watching this movie that's like, I don't know anything about you know the Mario franchise.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_03: But um if you didn't know anything about it, I think you'd be way more confused.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it doesn't stand alone, but somehow also doesn't make any sense with matching the IP or servicing uh the IP.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: I think it falls in a weird middle, but anyway.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_04: What's your all pick, Aaron?
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_04: I picked the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie from 1990.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it feels to me like similar, like gritty Manhattan kind of dark adaptation of an existing popular kid's IP.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just a better movie.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's more fun, I think.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's a I love that movie.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_04: Very dear movie to me.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's like that's one of the most nostalgic movies for me.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: We used to have a a poster or we had a puzzle that was the poster for the movie.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_04: And we put that together when we were a kid and like uh, you know, glued it so you could put it on the wall and everything.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_04: I love that movie.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I can't believe you guys are giving me shit for not liking this movie and making me feel like I have to dis defend like I'm a fan of Corp.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's what I want.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: I want a movie that makes sense.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: You can't believe that we're giving you shit.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I guess I can, but um I'm just persecuted.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_03: I never give it up.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um you're the blameless victim here.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, my altpick is the the cartoon, the Chris Pratt, Charlie, Kevin.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_04: Cop out.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well done, corporate uh production.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I didn't have an alt pick.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: Nintendo.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_04: Nintendo would be proud.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_04: If Nintendo would like to sponsor this podcast, please reach out to us.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure we've closed that door.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: We hate this movie as much as you do.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, anything else you guys would like to add?
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: Landon, anything to promote?
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: You said you had something to I've been eagerly waiting to hear.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, uh I have this is really funny on the heels of this.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to juxtapose this with the Super Mario Brothers movie.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have an opera that's premiering this fall, October 23rd and 24th at the Contemporary Art Museum.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not to make this episode not evergreen, but uh throw out a couple dates there.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_03: October 23rd and 24th, is that what you said?
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_03: Of 2026, if you're listening to this for the future.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh what's the opera?
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it is is uh well if you need a solid plot, don't come to this one.
• 1:04:00
  unknown: Oh no.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's about as much plot continuity in this as there is the Super Mario Brothers movie.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's uh the framework is based off the story of the Welsh uh folk figure um Murden Wilt, who is the inspiration for Merlin from Arthurian Legend.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good he's he's a bard for a king, so he's like a poet and a musician, a storyteller, all these things.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: Goes to a battle that he tells the king not to go to, he sees his nephew get killed on the other side, all these people die, he kind of goes mad and retreats into the woods, becomes a hermit, which is where all the sort of um mystic like uh stuff happens.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: He learns to commune with nature, and then people start to visit him for divinations.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um is this a true story?
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's not a true story.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's the folk figures from like the seventh century or something, so I loved the panic that briefly showed up in your eyes where you're like, oh my god, he's dumb.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's like don't don't fact check me.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_04: My research doesn't go that deep.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that sounds awesome.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever been to an opera?
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think no.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_04: If I have been, it would have been when I was young and I don't remember it.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: So this is most definitely more of the a lot of times we think of the Italian opera, which is kind of like the standard idea of the genre, but people kind of liberated in the 70s in New York they kind of liberated opera from that.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because opera is supposed to be like um uh multidisciplinary performance uh with acting and dance and singing and um so it's not in Italian.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is it in Welsh?
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, it's in English.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: Very much for the English language.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_03: What kind of music is it?
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_03: Is it uh is it what you think of as opera music?
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like no, no, it's my no the my type of music, I guess.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the singing's like processed voice with like um vocoder and there's a chorus though.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean we'd need yeah.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Rock opera?
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not very rockin', no.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you which you know, just I'm sure you could fill a whole month worth of episodes of musicals or our rock operas.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I want to do Elvis movies.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_03: We already did our musical with cats.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm done.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: May maybe give me another year to recover.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna do a month of Elvis.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_04: We're getting way off track.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh where where can we get tickets for the opera?
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um You can't yet, but eventually on my website landoncaldwell.com.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:58
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_03: Landoncaldwell.com.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_03: Hit that refresh button until you see offer tickets.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_03: What's it called?
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh good work.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: Good work.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm intrigued.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_03: I I definitely want to see it.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_03: That'll be fun.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure I'll see it.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'll be there.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: Come on out.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thanks for uh thanks for joining us, Landon.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_03: And uh yeah, we'll uh um we'll have to find another theme to to bring you on later.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: Pro wrestling month.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the good news is there's so many bad movies and so many bad movie themes we can choose from.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_03: But um yeah.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I'm glad we we finally got Super Mario Brothers knocked off the list.
• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:52
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• 1:07:58
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• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm A Day.
• 1:08:03
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• 1:08:04
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