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The Hidden Patterns Controlling Your Life | Shadow Work, Hand Analysis & Healing with Lisa Hedley · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey everyone,
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  it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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  Matters and today
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm joined by the beautiful Lisa Headley.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Lisa is a psycho-spiritual counselor,
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  SPEAKER_03: transformation advisor and hand analyst who specializes in uncovering and
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  SPEAKER_03: integrating the shadow side to help clients heal,
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  SPEAKER_03: eradicate negative habits,
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  SPEAKER_03: and liberate consciousness to actualize their higher self.
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  SPEAKER_03: She has an educational background in Fine Arts,
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  SPEAKER_03: Philosophy,
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  SPEAKER_03: Transformative Learning,
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  SPEAKER_03: Ashtanga and Therapeutics,
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  SPEAKER_03: Yoga,
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  SPEAKER_03: Hand Analysis and Thirting
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  Her work is transformation training at the intersection of
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  therapeutic and
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  SPEAKER_03: spiritual frameworks as a science-based and intuitive healer.
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  She's dedicated to guiding clients to discover and trust their
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  own inner wisdom so
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  SPEAKER_03: they can go deeper.
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  SPEAKER_03: foster more meaning and joy and fully actualize their purpose.
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  SPEAKER_03: So a big welcome to the show, Lisa.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi, thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_03: What a pleasure to be here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Straight away, I want to ask, what is a hand analysis?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it similar to palm reading or is it different?
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  SPEAKER_00: So hand analysis does have its origins in ancient palmistry.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it now has decades of scientific,
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  SPEAKER_00: neuroscientific,
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  SPEAKER_00: and psychological research to back it up.
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  So we now know that there are more connections between the
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  hands and the brain than
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  SPEAKER_00: any other part of the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the sensory cortex and the nervous system are sending
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  SPEAKER_00: discernible signals to the hands that we can actually read.
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  And it's really very fascinating because it essentially points
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  to patterns.
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  We find our soul psychology in our fingerprints and then the
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  rest of the hands is
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  SPEAKER_00: where we find the personality psychology.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the fingerprints
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  The soul psychology would be the life schools,
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  your purpose,
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  and the lessons.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the fingerprints are fully formed in utero by 15 weeks.
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  So before you're born,
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  you have already decided these things for your life path.
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  and then the rest of the hand the lines the shape the color the
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  texture all of
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  those things they change over the duration of our lifetime in
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  response to whether
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  we are actualizing that that soul psychology or not so I can
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  see the shadow in the
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  hands I can see the gifts and it's the entry point to my work
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  because it gives me a
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  shortcut essentially I can see very concretely where the shadow
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  patterns are and
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  SPEAKER_00: then it's easily accessible to go straight in and do the work rather than
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  Spending hours and hours of time with a client trying to
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  uncover that through conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love that because it made me think a little bit of astrology,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: how like if you actually listen to your astrology,
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  SPEAKER_03: you kind of have from that moment that you come in.
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  SPEAKER_03: But this is even before that, right?
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  Like it's already imprinted because you don't know what day
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  you're going to come
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  SPEAKER_03: into this world technically because you could be emergency,
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  SPEAKER_03: you could be,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: and that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: But clearly the soul already knows more than we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: The soul has already made choices before it gets here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's very, very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: In my mind,
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  it definitely gives me a sense of courage and conviction around
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  the choices we make
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  SPEAKER_00: because it tells us,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: I had a purpose when I came.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm here to fulfill, you know, a certain kind of destiny.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And do you find I'm just looking at my own hand.
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  SPEAKER_03: So obviously your fingerprints tend to stay the same, right?
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  I don't know if your fingerprints stay completely the same for
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  the duration of your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to change at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yes, that's the soul psychology.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what you already decided before you were born.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then the rest of your hand,
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  if you make choices to change to go more aligned with your soul
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  psychology,
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  SPEAKER_03: do you find the hand starts to change?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  So obviously we all have things like a heart line,
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  a life line,
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  a head line.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are differences in those, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_00: But those lines can also tell us where you've run into trouble.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are various markers in those lines that
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  SPEAKER_00: can tell us that there has been difficulty along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: A guarded heart line,
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  SPEAKER_00: for example,
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  is someone who probably had a really difficult time expressing
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  emotions in their
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  SPEAKER_00: family of origin and then learned to guard their heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's a direct response to
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  The Experiences That They Had In Their Childhood Other Things
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  Like A Gift Marker
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  For Example So There Are Lines That Are Gift Markers There Are
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  Stars That Are Gift
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  Markers Those Can Develop In Response To How We Are Actualizing
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  Our Purpose Or Not
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  There Are Also Challenge Markers That Will Also They Will Start
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  To Form In Response
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  To Whether We Are Usually Not In Alignment With Our Soul
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  Psychology Because
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  SPEAKER_00: Essentially
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  If you're living your purpose,
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  you're living in your zone of self-actualization.
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  So you shouldn't necessarily have challenges in there if you
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  are in alignment,
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  correct?
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  So if you're out of alignment,
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  then you're starting to form challenges that are showing
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  SPEAKER_00: And so on
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  So it can be both something that is a gift or it can be
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  something that is a challenge.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the concentration says, you have a lot of this kind of energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: What kind of marker is this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it a challenge marker?
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  SPEAKER_00: In which case, maybe there's some area
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the thing about the gifts.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you have a consolidation of energy
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  SPEAKER_00: Those gifts will help
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  Propel Your Gift Your Purpose Rather Those Gifts Will Help
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  Bolster Your Purpose
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  Those Gifts Are Really Exactly That They're Gifts Right They're
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  Supposed To Be Used
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  In Service And So Whatever Your Purpose Is Your Purpose Is Also
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  Here In Service
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  whatever that may be some people are here my best friend
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  happens to be a love
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  master she is here to live a life of her passions she's all
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  about just loving the
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  things that she does and following that and so it's less
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  specific to her she gets
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  to kind of design her life around the things that she loves we
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  should all be doing
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  that right but her purpose is to do that essentially so that
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  she gets to lead by
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  SPEAKER_00: example she gets to shine that light in the world by leading
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  SPEAKER_00: through example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other people have much more specific purposes,
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  SPEAKER_00: but we don't know that until we look at the hands.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's so fascinating.
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  And I love that you brought up that if you don't use your
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  gifts,
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  there are consequences.
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  So a very concrete example I had happened to me where when my
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  psychic gifts started
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  SPEAKER_03: to come online,
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  SPEAKER_03: I could hear things through my left ear.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I would get these messages,
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  SPEAKER_03: but then they started coming through for people that I love,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: like family.
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  and one of them was my grandmother who had passed and I could
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  feel her coming
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  through and I'm like I don't want to give that message to my
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  dad I don't even know
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  how to have that conversation because I was going through this
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  and I just wasn't
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  ready and I actually lost the hearing in my ear like for that
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  week because I wasn't
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  SPEAKER_03: listening and I knew oh wait okay
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  I'm not I'm ignoring this I need to listen I just need to write
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  down whatever's
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  coming through and so then I rang my dad and he's like oh was
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  this a dream it's
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  like nope because I knew I couldn't try and discount it or put
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  it to the side and
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  SPEAKER_03: then when I read for him what came through
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  he was actually incredibly accepting but then went into
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  defensive dad mode and went
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  okay but don't tell anyone about this and I'm like there is a
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  line for clairvoyance
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  in the hands there is a very distinct line for someone who has
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  that gift yeah and
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  SPEAKER_00: I've seen it I love it when I see it because then
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  Someone feels less shy perhaps about having that gift when it
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  gets confirmed for them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_03: but that's the thing too,
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  SPEAKER_03: like we have these gifts and we can choose to keep pushing it down,
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  but then there's always that niggling that we're missing out on
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  something in life.
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  I know for me that was me,
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  like I didn't feel fulfilled,
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  you know,
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  on the outside I looked okay.
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  but it was there's something more and when we start to dig upon
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  that and I know I'm
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  not there yet but I'm taking steps to get there and that feels
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  more fulfilling than
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  trying to find that purpose and trying to figure out why you're
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  here yes yes I have
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  some very challenging penalties in my gifts in fact some of the
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  hardest penalties
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  and all of the gifts and for me it's like it becomes like
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  psychologically heavy
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  SPEAKER_00: depression despair you know all the really
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  The worst possible things you can experience emotionally and
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  that it becomes
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  SPEAKER_00: motivation to enact those gifts.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really does because you don't feel good if you're not doing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it also becomes a feedback, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Where it's like,
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  SPEAKER_03: actually,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not utilizing myself,
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  SPEAKER_03: utilizing myself,
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  but actually listening to my highest potential and what brings
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  me to where I am
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  SPEAKER_00: here as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a constant reminder to get out there and do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go for it, right?
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  And so a question that keeps popping in my head is what are
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  some examples of gifts?
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  SPEAKER_03: So obviously we just shared clairvoyance,
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  but what are some other examples of gifts that you might see in
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  people's hands?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's the star of Jupiter, for example, Jupiter being leadership.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we use the Roman mythological gods as our archetypes in hand analysis.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for example, Jupiter being Jupiter being the leadership star.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is a gift that is
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  Developed because you show aptitude for the kinds of high
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  achievement and influence
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  SPEAKER_00: that would be utilized in a leadership role.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have what we call the Star of Neptune.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is a gift for deep empathy and spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also a penalty of depression if you're not using it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So empathy has to be very much a part of my, it's a part of my existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not even a part of the work that I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a wealth marker.
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  SPEAKER_00: It tells us that you are very good with resources and
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can build wealth.
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  SPEAKER_00: The star of Apollo,
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  SPEAKER_00: Apollo being the sun god,
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  SPEAKER_00: so that's shining your light brightly in the world.
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  And not necessarily being a performer,
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  but there is a creative aspect to that.
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  So having a certain kind of presence in the spotlight would be
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  the gift of Apollo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  on the flip side of that is there can be a measure of apathy
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  and lethargy for a
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  SPEAKER_00: penalty.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're not using it,
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  you can start to feel very diminished if you're not putting
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  that effort into being
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  SPEAKER_00: in the spotlight.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it also comes with caveats, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to
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  SPEAKER_00: Move in the direction of all of these gifts with a measure of humility.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember that they are in fact here for service.
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  Even those who shine brightly in the world have a service
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  component to what they're doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: They should.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they're doing their jobs right, they should.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that caveat just there.
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  SPEAKER_03: They should be doing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  I just want to remind everyone that there's always that
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  spiritual component,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_00: To us fulfilling our own life path,
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  there's always that aspect of the spiritual component in that
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  we're always serving
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  SPEAKER_00: the whole,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  Every contribution that we are making that is unique to us
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  serves the collective
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  SPEAKER_00: expansion of consciousness.
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  And I guess it comes back to,
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  like,
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  first of all,
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  we have free choice,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_03: You can utilize your gifts or you can choose to ignore them.
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  and some people rather put up with the penalty than embrace who
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  they are.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's just their choice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then the other aspect of that is that we are all connected.
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  So our choices can have a positive ripple effect or a negative,
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  but at the same time,
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  You know,
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  stepping into our purpose can influence others to step into
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  their purpose too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Many people are here to be examples,
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  SPEAKER_00: right,
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  SPEAKER_00: of open heartedness and grace and ease and alignment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they show others or they give others permission to do the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I have known people who've had many,
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  many gifts in their hands and they can spiral into a measure of
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  overwhelm.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it does become crucial the more burdened you are,
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  SPEAKER_00: in a sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: by gifts and a life purpose that has a very specific undertaking,
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  SPEAKER_00: that you do the work,
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  SPEAKER_00: the inner work,
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  SPEAKER_00: that you can get out of your own way,
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  SPEAKER_00: in a sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: because it can really start to feel heavy if
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  SPEAKER_00: You say have five gifts and all of them are in the penalty stage,
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  SPEAKER_00: then that can be very painful,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: in my mind,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you have five gifts and you're in the penalty zone on those gifts,
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  SPEAKER_00: that is super motivating to
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  SPEAKER_00: Take some action to clean up your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  that's kind of how it happened for me was that I just had I
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  have numerous lessons
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  and two schools and a lot of different challenges in my gifts
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  that I it was all
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  SPEAKER_00: just too much.
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  You know,
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  it I think that's why I started this journey at such a young
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  age.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know all of these things as a kid because,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't come to hand analysis until much later in my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I knew as a kid that that
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  SPEAKER_00: Without doing work on myself, I was not going to make it.
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  And I feel that's such a powerful reminder to everyone
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  listening that you're the
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  SPEAKER_03: only one that can choose to do work on yourself as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  we obviously have people that mirror to us in our lives the
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  ways that we might not
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  SPEAKER_00: be showing up for ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  I made a fair amount of bad choices when I was younger and
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  those were reflected
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  SPEAKER_00: back to me through the people that I harmed or
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  not necessarily consciously but you get you get examples and
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  they say oh yeah this
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  isn't good this this doesn't look good doesn't look good on me
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  doesn't look good on
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  you right time to change my direction somewhat yeah and I feel
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  too when people get
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  to that point and they just throw their hands up and they're
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  like I can't do this
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  anymore you know I can't keep staying in this cycle yeah that
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  is when people often
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  SPEAKER_03: reach out
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  SPEAKER_03: But I like to say,
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe if you're in an okay place,
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  maybe start investigating now so you don't have to get to that
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  rock bottom.
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  SPEAKER_03: But that's part of the human experience in our story too.
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  Like sometimes we have to get to that point that we realize
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  something needs to
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  SPEAKER_03: change before it actually will.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people don't necessarily take conscious action, right?
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  They usually have to be bumped around by life circumstances to
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  a certain extent to
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  SPEAKER_00: at least begin the work.
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  And then it becomes obvious as the work is undertaken and you
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  start to feel better
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  and your life starts to expand in positive ways exponentially
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  that doing the work
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  SPEAKER_00: is much easier than not doing the work.
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  But it usually does take some sort of initial catalyzer to get
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  you moving.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you can, as you face challenges down the road, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Doing the work doesn't mean you're not going to have challenges.
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  It just means that when the challenges come up,
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  you greet them consciously.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have the awareness to say, oh, look, here we are in this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're back in your lesson again.
• 16:30
  And then taking proactive measures before you go down in that
• 16:36
  downward spiral and
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: find yourself miserable or stuck or both,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: right?
• 16:40
  Yeah,
• 16:40
  and I guess this is where it taps into the shadow work that you
• 16:43
  do with people,
• 16:44
  right?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Your shadows kind of are there,
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: but the more you get to know them,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: the less they kind of are in darkness,
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: I guess,
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: more than a better way to explain that.
• 16:56
  I always like to remind people that the shadow aspects are not
• 17:00
  necessarily negative,
• 17:02
  right?
• 17:02
  They might have been perceived negatively by those people who
• 17:07
  were sources of
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: outside indoctrination in our childhood,
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Parents, teachers, siblings.
• 17:13
  The people that have influence on our lives are the ones who
• 17:16
  have a tendency to
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: dictate what is and isn't acceptable in us.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so those shadow patterns are started usually not at our discretion,
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: but at the discretion of others.
• 17:28
  And so we can relegate positive aspects of ourselves to the
• 17:33
  shadow side if they're
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: deemed unacceptable by others.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: But that doesn't mean that they're deemed unacceptable by us.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: There can be lots of positive things happening in the shadow.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And when you open all of that up,
• 17:46
  you might find yourself getting in touch with parts of yourself
• 17:49
  that you really
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: like and you can find positive outlets for.
• 17:53
  The other thing is when you start to bring all of those
• 17:56
  contents back into your conscious frame
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: framework.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: You start to feel whole again, right?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's no part of you that's off limits.
• 18:04
  You start to feel into those aspects that can be very useful in
• 18:09
  certain circumstances.
• 18:10
  Let's say you're someone who's always been a bit of a pushover
• 18:13
  and you discover
• 18:14
  that there's a part of you that's just a bit more assertive and
• 18:17
  aggressive.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that could serve you very well under certain circumstances.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So having access to the ability to step into that
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: is very vital, right?
• 18:27
  It helps us move through life with a bit more ease when we have
• 18:31
  access to the full
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: breadth of who we are.
• 18:33
  Yeah,
• 18:33
  and I feel you summarized it so beautifully,
• 18:36
  Lisa,
• 18:36
  because it is still part of you.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like it's a bad part of you.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a part of you.
• 18:42
  And if you can't love the shadows,
• 18:44
  then how can you say you love all parts of you?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: we all want to be loved and seen for who we are in relationships,
• 18:54
  but we can't get there until we can love and accept who we are
• 18:57
  for ourselves.
• 18:59
  I love this because I was just on a podcast and they're like oh
• 19:02
  you know if
• 19:02
  someone's like in feeling lonely what can you say I said go
• 19:07
  take yourself on a date
• 19:09
  you know go take yourself out and get to know yourself more and
• 19:13
  it sounds it's
• 19:14
  amazing how many people I meet who who have never had like a
• 19:18
  meal with themselves
• 19:19
  or taking themselves to the movies or um because they're like
• 19:23
  oh you don't do that
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: by yourself I'm like why not
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: Why wouldn't you just go spend time with you?
• 19:28
  Like,
• 19:28
  how's it different from if you just want a coffee and you go
• 19:31
  have a coffee in the cafe?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: So,
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: if you can't even have a date with yourself,
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: how are you going to date somebody else?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love my company.
• 19:39
  In fact,
• 19:39
  I love my company so much that I'm actually quite guarded about
• 19:43
  who I give my time to.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm a perfectly good company.
• 19:47
  I don't actually need to spend time with other people unless I
• 19:50
  really want to.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel that's such a nice standard to have.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Not even nice,
• 19:57
  an amazing standard to have because your time and your energy
• 20:00
  is your greatest
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: currency.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel a lot of us forget that.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 20:05
  But I think we also don't know how to show up for others unless
• 20:08
  we know how to show
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: up for ourselves.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I really think the older I get,
• 20:11
  the more I see that I can't get the love and the care that I
• 20:16
  want from others until
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can show others how I want to be cared for by caring for myself.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 20:23
  If I treat myself poorly,
• 20:24
  I'm giving other people permission to do the same.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: my old coach used to say,
• 20:28
  sometimes people need to know how to love you because they
• 20:33
  don't always understand.
• 20:34
  But I don't think you can tell anyone how you want to be loved
• 20:38
  if you don't know that.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of people,
• 20:41
  I see a lot of people come through my practice that they have
• 20:44
  no idea how to love
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: themselves.
• 20:45
  I'm like,
• 20:45
  well,
• 20:45
  then how can you expect anyone else to know how to love you?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's important to get in touch with what's happening inside.
• 20:52
  My other favorite question I used to ask my staff and I'd be
• 20:55
  like,
• 20:55
  OK,
• 20:55
  well,
• 20:55
  what do you want?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, what?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: I said, well, you're telling me you're unhappy.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: What do you want?
• 21:01
  I can't actually fix that until you tell me what you want or
• 21:04
  you need for me to
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: support you to get to where apparently is a better place.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: But they just could never answer that.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: And then they go find another job.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like,
• 21:13
  you're just going to keep searching for the same thing in every
• 21:16
  job because you
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: don't actually know what you want in the first place.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: My question is always, well, what are you curious about?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: What piques your curiosity?
• 21:23
  Because if there's something that's piquing your curiosity,
• 21:26
  then that's likely what you want.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Or at least that will lead to what you want.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you're willing to go down the rabbit hole just a little bit,
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: you might discover things that will pique your curiosity and furthermore,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: your passion.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: And then your fingerprints come into play.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I went in search of this tool.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know I was looking for this tool.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it took many years.
• 21:52
  What I was looking for originally were tools to expedite my own
• 21:57
  healing process
• 21:58
  because I had a lot of work to do on myself and I knew that
• 22:01
  early and I started
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: therapy very early in my life when I was still a kid even.
• 22:08
  But I went back to therapy repeatedly and it wasn't until I was
• 22:12
  in psychotherapy twice a week
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: and sitting there thinking,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: and this went on for a year,
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: thinking,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: why do I constantly feel like I'm not getting very far?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm treading water here.
• 22:23
  There has to be a more expeditious way to get to what I'm
• 22:27
  trying to uncover here.
• 22:29
  And it was that realization that led me to different tools like
• 22:33
  astrology,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: like the Myers-Briggs,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: the Enneagram,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: the Gene Keys.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was just trying to figure out some of the tools that would lead to
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: But all of those tools are
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're archetypally predictive rather than concretely predictive.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you can be running some of them, but not necessarily all of them.
• 23:04
  But you don't necessarily know what you're running to a certain
• 23:09
  measure unless you
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: are very self-aware.
• 23:13
  And then I found hand analysis and I discovered,
• 23:15
  lo and behold,
• 23:16
  it is concretely predictive.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: It does show me exactly where those patterns are running.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: And by that point, I'd already done all this work on myself.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I had a couple of hand analysis readings and walked away
• 23:29
  with the courage and conviction that I was absolutely living my
• 23:34
  purpose because I
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: was before I had the hand analysis reading.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: But it was nice to have it,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:40
  finally confirmed for me that I was doing exactly what I was
• 23:43
  supposed to be doing.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: What it did tell me was that I wasn't going big enough, that I needed
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: I needed to take my work much bigger.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, well, incremental steps, right?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: In that regard, incremental steps.
• 23:54
  But I knew that I wanted to learn how to do hand analysis
• 23:58
  because by this point,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was already working as a healer,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: which is my purpose.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: if I can see this,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: then I could really help clients move through this process faster,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the,
• 24:11
  it was like a promise I made to the universe some time ago that
• 24:15
  I would help wake
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: up as many people as I could as quickly as I could.
• 24:19
  And I thought,
• 24:21
  okay,
• 24:21
  well,
• 24:21
  and now I found a tool that will really help me do that.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, when those moments come together.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hallelujah.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: because I always find it interesting,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: when you get these little,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: for me,
• 24:34
  like I'll get these little pieces of the puzzle and then it'll
• 24:37
  suddenly all come
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: together and you're like,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: now I understand.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I used to say I was acquiring keys for doorways I had yet to reach.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, beautiful analysis.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: eventually I reached the door and it had many locks and I thought,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: wow,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: look at this.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm well equipped.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: When you started doing hand analysis,
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: was it like that aha moment and it was just a remembering of like,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: yes,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: this is what I was looking for or this is,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: did it feel like you'd done it before?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think that I had done it before, actually.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: I continue to be fascinated with it.
• 25:18
  I think the thing that I love about it more than anything else
• 25:21
  is that I fall in
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: love with everyone who I read for.
• 25:25
  you know it's impossible not to because I get to see how
• 25:28
  exquisitely beautiful
• 25:29
  everyone is and so that to me feels more like a remembrance
• 25:34
  it's like hi old friend
• 25:36
  I see you we've crossed paths before I just have it just wasn't
• 25:40
  this lifetime right
• 25:41
  so there's something really beautiful about oh yeah my heart
• 25:45
  remembers this my
• 25:46
  heart feels this so that's the thing that I really love about
• 25:49
  it but I think for me
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: it really feels like a new tool in this lifetime whereas
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: I had other tools prior to hand analysis,
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: things I still use in my practice that were gifts from my mother.
• 26:02
  So my mother was a spiritual teacher and she started teaching
• 26:06
  me some of the tools
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: that I used when I was still a teenager.
• 26:09
  But my mother talks about our soul contract relationship in the
• 26:13
  first chapter of her first book.
• 26:16
  And one of the things that she talks about in there is that I
• 26:19
  had given her a bunch
• 26:20
  of information when I first told her about our sole contract
• 26:23
  relationship and that
• 26:24
  I was going to be born as her daughter and that we had spent
• 26:28
  many lifetimes passing
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: valuable information about waking up back and forth to each other.
• 26:34
  So one of the things that she did finally tell me at some point
• 26:38
  along the way was
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: that I was the original teacher.
• 26:41
  And this is what spirit has confirmed for me a number of times
• 26:44
  is that I was the
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: original teacher.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: So the information that my mother imparted,
• 26:49
  she often felt like she was giving me new information where I
• 26:53
  did just know.
• 26:54
  And often she would say something and think it was going to be
• 26:56
  so revelatory to me.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say, I know.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: And she'd say, how do you know?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say, I don't know how I know.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I just know.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just know.
• 27:04
  So there was a lot of stuff I gathered along the way that I did
• 27:08
  just know.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: But hand analysis was really new.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it for that reason.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: It still feels so novel and interesting to me.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like I have this client at the moment.
• 27:18
  and we have both learned so much because she's very spiritual
• 27:21
  and things but we've
• 27:23
  been unpacking all these things that are going on in her life
• 27:26
  and I'm like oh my
• 27:27
  goodness I didn't even know I could do this and then like there
• 27:30
  was this new thing
• 27:30
  and they're like oh no this is a new way you can do that and I
• 27:33
  was like what you
• 27:34
  know and it's just that curiosity and excitement right and
• 27:38
  you're like yeah and
• 27:39
  they're like you guys are going to teach this and write books
• 27:41
  on it like we already
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: have three weeks of content
• 27:45
  Wow that's wonderful yeah but at the same time it's like wow
• 27:50
  like it's again like
• 27:51
  you said that curiosity right it's like oh okay well what if we
• 27:55
  can't we just do
• 27:55
  this or you know like even we were talking about oh I wonder if
• 28:00
  there's a place in
• 28:01
  the Akashic Records that all your curses and karmic contracts
• 28:04
  are kept and then
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: they're like yeah there is and I was like oh
• 28:08
  can we like burn that room and I said oh hang on hang on we
• 28:12
  don't want to burn
• 28:13
  everything because we don't want to have to do it again and
• 28:16
  they're like just asked
• 28:18
  for this white god flame to come in and I was like oh and it's
• 28:22
  like it will burn
• 28:23
  what's done and it will be done and all things that you have
• 28:26
  declared done and I
• 28:27
  was like oh that's so simple whereas my client's like can we
• 28:31
  bomb it and blow it up
• 28:32
  I'm like whoa whoa whoa hang on hang on hang on like it's
• 28:35
  useful exactly it's
• 28:36
  useful yeah and we still had to go through those karmic
• 28:39
  contracts to figure out to
• 28:41
  get to where we are right now you know and and that sort of
• 28:44
  thing too but it was
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: really interesting I'm like oh
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: Look, I've learned something else.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: This is really cool.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: And they're my favorite clients that expand you as much as you expand.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think that we're all coming online more and more, right?
• 28:59
  I think parts of ourselves that have been hidden away or access
• 29:05
  to skills that we have...
• 29:07
  that maybe we've carried through many lifetimes are starting to
• 29:10
  show up more and more.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 29:11
  I hear about all of this quite often from friends who do
• 29:15
  healing work or I've sat
• 29:17
  with clients where they've suddenly had energy coming through
• 29:20
  their hands and they
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: had never had that happen before.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've had experiences of my own where,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the first time the guides talked through me to people
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Share information with a client and they hadn't shown up before.
• 29:34
  I mean,
• 29:35
  I was aware that my guides were present,
• 29:37
  but I was suddenly hearing things.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, wait, they're chiming in now.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is new.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: They want to participate.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it was that moment that I thought,
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 29:47
  maybe what I should do before each and every session is sit in
• 29:50
  meditation and
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: invite my guides and the client's guides to be present and participate.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I've done that.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: before sessions with clients for years now.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: But at the time, it seemed crazy to me.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then, nope, they wanted to participate.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, okay.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's here.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, because there's information coming through.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a party.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's how I describe it to my clients.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: I say,
• 30:15
  your guides come over to my guides and they're just having a
• 30:18
  party and I'm just
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: translating what's coming through because that's why I'm here.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just the bridge right now until you can do it yourself.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, oh, right.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: But it never ceases to amaze me by how the client's guides,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: the information they give you is always perfect for them,
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: even the wording and the humor and everything and they'll go,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: oh yeah,
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: that sounds like me.
• 30:45
  yeah I once once got a word from a client's guides and it was
• 30:49
  harsher than I would
• 30:50
  have used and I pushed back and I said I'm not sure that fits
• 30:55
  and then I asked the
• 30:56
  client I said they're telling me this and she said oh yeah
• 31:00
  that's right on and I
• 31:01
  thought oh okay well they're being a little more forceful with
• 31:05
  you than I would
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: have been just so you know
• 31:07
  Sometimes that's exactly what they need to hear because even I
• 31:10
  do the same thing
• 31:11
  I'm like you want me to say that you want me to say that their
• 31:15
  relationship and the
• 31:16
  person's acting like a piece of boop you know and they're like
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  yes we want you to
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  use that exact wording I'm like okay now these are their words
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  not mine I prefaced
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  that and as we start to finish your time together Lisa I asked
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  the guests that come
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  on the show if you could heal or change something in the world
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  what would it be?
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  SPEAKER_00: Our receptivity to receiving the truth
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  The Truth About Ourselves and The Truth About The World That We
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  Inhabit Because I
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  Think It Would Create A Measure Of Softening Around Being
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  Vulnerable And Being Real
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  And Being Accountable I Frequently Think What Would It Take To
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  Wake Up The Whole
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  Planet And That Would Be The Thing That I Think We Have To Be
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  Able To Receive Truth
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  SPEAKER_00: With Grace
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's been a big thing coming up for me,
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  SPEAKER_03: just to reflect that back to,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: because I tune in and go,
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  SPEAKER_03: how do I need to do today?
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  SPEAKER_03: Find your truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: Find the truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: Find the truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just speak your truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, just whatever that needs to be for you for the day.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because when we're living in our truth,
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  SPEAKER_03: well,
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  we can't really make any wrong decisions because we're honoring
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  us in that moment
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  SPEAKER_03: too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  it seems that the world we are inhabiting gets further and
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  further from the truth
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  SPEAKER_00: every day,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  I mean technology is beautiful for connecting us but it is also
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  horrific in how far
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  it can divide us agreed 100% and Lisa if people want to come
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  and find you or get a
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  handle analysis where can they go I am on Substack they can find
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  me at my website
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  SPEAKER_00: lisahedley.com they can book hand analysis from there
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  SPEAKER_00: under the Work With Me tab.
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  And I am offering a $50 discount on hand analysis readings with
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  the code podcast
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  SPEAKER_00: for anyone who wants to,
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  SPEAKER_00: any listeners who want to follow up on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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  Substack's probably the easiest place to find me just because
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  I'm more consistently
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  SPEAKER_00: there,
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  SPEAKER_00: although
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  SPEAKER_00: I am by no means consistent.
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  I like to write when I feel inspired rather than every week or,
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  you know,
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  every other week.
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  SPEAKER_00: I understand, Lisa.
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  SPEAKER_03: When I'm inspired,
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  SPEAKER_03: I will just go like article,
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  SPEAKER_03: article,
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  SPEAKER_03: article,
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  SPEAKER_03: and then I'll just schedule them.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it looks like I'm consistent, but I'm not.
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  the power of scheduling that's a technological tool I do like
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  yes yes agreed well
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  thank you so much for being on the show Lisa and sharing more
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  about hand analysis
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  and also the importance of embracing your gifts and if you are
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  being penalized for
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  whatever reason and feeling very low this might be a sign for
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  you to be curious and
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  SPEAKER_03: reach out or go check out Lisa's work
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  so if you like this episode please feel free to like share or
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  subscribe if you know
• 33:59
  someone who would be curious about hand analysis share this
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  episode to them and
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  make sure to check out Lisa's details in the show notes and
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  thank you everyone for
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  tuning in and thank you again Lisa for being on the show thank
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  you Catherine it was
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  so fun hey beautiful souls I wanted to have a chat with you
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  about a really amazing
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  SPEAKER_03: Cacao that I drink to help me get in ceremony,
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  SPEAKER_03: to help me ground,
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  SPEAKER_03: but also just because it tastes freaking good.
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  So if you're curious and want to know about drinking something
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  other than coffee or
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: your standard tea,
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  SPEAKER_03: why not check out Creation Cacao?
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  I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and
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  just letting it brew
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  SPEAKER_03: and having that whole intention as you create this cup.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you're curious and want to know more,
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  SPEAKER_02: check out the link in the show notes and enjoy your cup of cacao.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening to Willow Healing Matters the podcast.
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  We have so much love and gratitude that you are taking the time
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  out of your day to
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: empower you on your healing journey.
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  The views shared by the person being interviewed might not
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  necessarily reflect that
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  SPEAKER_02: of the host and should be used in your own discernment.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Trust what resonates with you and follow your heart and soul guidance.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you have any underlying medical conditions or mental health
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: This can be found in the show notes.
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  Remember to activate,
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  align,
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  heal,
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  empower and find love in everything that you do.