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Tigers Stumble In ALDS Rematch · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And we'll come into another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the Territory Network, a It's Troy Tigers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious, secty with.
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  Speaker 1: Me as always a man who's never been caught singing
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  Speaker 1: in the rain. He is Cody Stavinagen.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing, Hey, you're doing all right, ker and
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  Speaker 3: not gonna like glad I didn't have to be on
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  Speaker 3: the field Thursday. Pretty miserable game and a pretty miserable
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  Speaker 3: final score seven to zero against the Guardians. Only the
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  Speaker 3: third time the Tigers have been shut out this season.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty big departure. I don't have off the top of
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  Speaker 3: my head what the number was for shutouts this time
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  Speaker 3: last year, but I know it was more than three.
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  Speaker 3: You know, one of those days. Hey, they're one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and sixty two, y saying you can't win them all.
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  Speaker 3: Tigers didn't win this when it was coming off a
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  Speaker 3: nice series win against a pretty good Cardinals team, but
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  Speaker 3: division series the Guardians, they're so pesky. They have a
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  Speaker 3: negative run differential and they have a winning record. You
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  Speaker 3: got three more against this team. Like to see Tigers
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  Speaker 3: at least come away with a couple here this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll we'll kind of get to some larger
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  Speaker 1: I would say from Mayan like hopeful storylines, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: know for this weekend. Because all that you said there
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  Speaker 1: is correct, you know, with with with regards to like
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  Speaker 1: specific to kind of the I guess like eye roll
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  Speaker 1: plays today, like you know, Sweeney fumbling really robbing Jack
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  Speaker 1: Flaherty of a seven inning outing, fumbling that double play ball.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if again that could you could do
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  Speaker 1: some weather excuses we want, but you still got to
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  Speaker 1: make the play. It's got the same thing with mckistory,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like when the game was basically over over,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not being able to catch that that ball
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  Speaker 1: from from Sean at their base like.
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  Speaker 2: The first Yeah, I'm sure the ball was slick, like
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  Speaker 2: just like slick off his glove.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not making an excuse, but it did
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  Speaker 1: look like a really fast like a bounce off.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a one.
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  Speaker 1: In three seasons four seasons air for a player like McKinstry,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like that's just
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  Speaker 1: it's ugly, but that that has kind of happen sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless of any errors or you know whatever, you're
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  Speaker 1: just you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you load the basestate Smith and then you punch
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  Speaker 3: three times? Are really bad at that from a kilb.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know Riley Green got overpowered? Hey, Kate Smith's
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  Speaker 3: really good, we saw that all postseason, but you would
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  Speaker 3: like to at least move the ball forward obviously in
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  Speaker 3: that situation.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And and like this series was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of some you know, nightmares coming back
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  Speaker 1: from last fall and Smith being like the chief among them,
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  Speaker 1: because that dude there's I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Just punched out twelve times and I think six and
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  Speaker 3: a third innings against kid Smith in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Not not an easy feeling when he's coming on and
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  Speaker 1: for a young guy just completely unfazed by any situation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he's got now gonna
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  Speaker 1: break any news here. I think he's got a pretty
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  Speaker 1: bright future. But in the present we saw a what
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  Speaker 1: was the uh what was the expression that A J
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  Speaker 1: used to describe Jack Flaherty before the game?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Like uh like over It was like he's cooked and
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  Speaker 1: ready to go, or like you.
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  Speaker 2: Know something like that cooked overcooked, overcooked.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I think I don't think he meant that negative,
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  Speaker 3: but generally I don't I don't like my food overcooked. Man,
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  Speaker 3: come on right right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you got the extra day of rest. So
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  Speaker 2: he was like.
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  Speaker 1: Geared up to use a MotorCity pun. He was geared
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  Speaker 1: up and ready to go. And honestly, there there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot to like in my opinion about the Flarity
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  Speaker 1: outing because he goes like I said, should have been seven.
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  Speaker 1: He gets six point two, He gets eight strikeouts, he
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  Speaker 1: has the three walks, and the three earned runs. Is
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  Speaker 1: the ra what you mentioned on the last podcast actually
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  Speaker 1: did go down today, just for the record, just just
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  Speaker 1: just a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, just a little bit went down and.
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  Speaker 1: He upped the knuckle curve usage a little bit from
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  Speaker 1: his season season rates. He up to change up usage
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  Speaker 1: a little bit from his season rates. The fastball is
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  Speaker 1: still we'll talk about that in a second. But you
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  Speaker 1: look at the three earned runs. It's a Santana double.
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  Speaker 1: That not a I would say, an interesting today from
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  Speaker 1: Will Little today. Behind the play, he gets squeezing that
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  Speaker 1: at bat and then he just kind of has to
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  Speaker 1: throw on the Santana that's hit a bowl and still
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  Speaker 1: that's a slider that's up but it's out. And then
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  Speaker 1: the home run later that he gave up to Angel
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  Speaker 1: Martinez is a fastball like inner inner, inner on the
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  Speaker 1: black and that he just kind of turns on. Neither
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  Speaker 1: one of those are terrible pitches. They do have something
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  Speaker 1: wrong with him, which is why they did damage. But
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  Speaker 1: you called it competitive on X. I thought flerity was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better than competitive, especially given coming off
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  Speaker 1: a bullpen day like that. He again should have gone seven.
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  Speaker 1: Basically did go seven and had the highest pitch count
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  Speaker 1: of any Tigers starter this season. So I actually liked
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  Speaker 1: I want to say really, but I liked what I
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  Speaker 1: saw some from Flarity, still acknowledging the problems that he
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  Speaker 1: has shown this year that are still concerning, But I
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  Speaker 1: really did.
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  Speaker 2: Like what I saw from Flarity. It was a marginal
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  Speaker 2: thing for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit of a weird one to
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  Speaker 3: talk about. There was some good and there was some
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  Speaker 3: not so good. I wouldn't even call it bad necessarily
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  Speaker 3: other than maybe the fastball at certain points in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Jack was kind of talking assessing his own performance afterward,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, you know, I feel like I've been
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  Speaker 3: trending into the right direction all year and not necessarily wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not like I feel like we just haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen liftoff from Jack Flerty. Yet we haven't really seen
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  Speaker 3: him put together back to back outings where he looked
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  Speaker 3: like the Jack flarity we saw in Detroit last season.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was hopeful after he had a really
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  Speaker 3: nice outing in Toronto, after the fastball showed a lot
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  Speaker 3: of life he was holding ninety six into the sixth inning,
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  Speaker 3: that like, Okay, maybe this is it. I think he's
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  Speaker 3: talked a little bit about working with Robin Lunn, trying
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  Speaker 3: to sort out some of those mechanical deficiencies that Scott
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  Speaker 3: Harris has been talking about since the day they brought
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  Speaker 3: him back this winter, and it just hasn't quite all
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  Speaker 3: come together. He's been good enough to remain my word, competitive,
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  Speaker 3: He was competitive. He did some good things. He punched
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  Speaker 3: out eight guys, but you get to the fourth fifth inning,
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  Speaker 3: and man, that fastball really lose his life. He starts,
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  Speaker 3: you know, throwing up a lot in ninety ninety One's
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  Speaker 3: that pitched to Martinez Karen, great execution. It was up
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  Speaker 3: and in a little bit off the plate, but it
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  Speaker 3: was ninety If that pitch is ninety three, it's probably
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  Speaker 3: swing and miss. That pitch was ninety and it got
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  Speaker 3: crushed for a homer. So we keep coming back to
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  Speaker 3: the Jack Flarity fastball. This has been a thing I've
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  Speaker 3: talked about kind of throughout his career, not just in Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: He is a guy, there's some old school artistry in him.
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  Speaker 3: He can probably mix speeds intentionally from time to time,
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  Speaker 3: but I think he's at a point in his career
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  Speaker 3: where he realizes he's at his best when he's throwing
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  Speaker 3: ninety three plus. And there are so many numbers to
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  Speaker 3: show that. Just this season, Kieran, if Flarity is throwing
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  Speaker 3: ninety two miles an hour or harder, hitters are hitting
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  Speaker 3: two eighty six off his fastball, which is still pretty
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  Speaker 3: good withining twelve point eight percent of the time. You'd
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  Speaker 3: like to see that higher. But ninety two or below,
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  Speaker 3: they're hitting four hundred, they're slugging a thousand, they're only
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  Speaker 3: withping six point three percent of the time. The best
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  Speaker 3: version of Jack Flerty has to be throwing harder in
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  Speaker 3: a way for him to get through six and two thirds.
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  Speaker 3: He was asked to go deep and save the bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: For him to do that without really the best version
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  Speaker 3: of his fastball and miserable conditions getting squeezed in the
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  Speaker 3: strike zone a little bit. He does deserve some props
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  Speaker 3: for that, But I guess I'm just a harsh judge
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  Speaker 3: because I know there's a better version of Jack Flaherty
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  Speaker 3: in there, and we just haven't really seen it the
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  Speaker 3: way we did last season so far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and sometimes we go about and we analyze
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  Speaker 1: and we do a lot of different things, but it's
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  Speaker 1: actually kind of simple, like for Flarity, like you like
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  Speaker 1: you just explained the fastball if it's not if it's
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  Speaker 1: not there, because in general he's getting hit three hundred off.
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  Speaker 1: The fastball's like three h six something like that. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: you want that to be a lower number. His fastball
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  Speaker 1: run value this on Baseball Savant only in the six percentile.
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  Speaker 3: It's not good.
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  Speaker 2: It's not good.
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  Speaker 1: Breaking run value seventy seven percent tile that's obviously better.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting he's getting strikeouts, he's getting whiffs just in general,
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  Speaker 1: but he also is among the leaders in home runs
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  Speaker 1: given up.
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  Speaker 3: This year, like hard contact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like his bail rate, you know, you know
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  Speaker 1: those that stuff is where the blue is on on
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  Speaker 1: his page, and so like you're gonna like like you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna need close to the best version of Jack Flaherty
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  Speaker 1: for this team to reach its potential. I think we
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  Speaker 1: we we've been I don't want to say overlooking that
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  Speaker 1: because I think we all acknowledge it, but but there
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  Speaker 1: were the rest of the pitching staff has been either
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  Speaker 1: more interesting or just flat out better. So we haven't
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  Speaker 1: like kind of given that the spotlight, if that makes sense,
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  Speaker 1: about how how important like the best version of Jack
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  Speaker 1: Flaherty is to again, like this team now that coming
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  Speaker 1: into today has the best record in baseball, and you're
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  Speaker 1: number one on ESPN Power Rankings, and you blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, like your number two's gotta be a number two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's quite simple.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he does. Actually that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of I think I said this a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks ago. Jack Flerty is your fourth best pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: Probably a pretty good thing, right, because that probably means
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  Speaker 3: Reesulsen or Casey Maies are throwing really well or Jackson
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  Speaker 3: Job takes this next step forward. Flerity, even if he's
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  Speaker 3: not at his best, I think can be like he was,
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  Speaker 3: you know in this game against Cleveland, which is really
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  Speaker 3: consistent or really really solid, really competitive. I still think
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  Speaker 3: he was a good addition to the pitching staff for
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  Speaker 3: that reason. Maybe you have enough talent. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: to be the Jack Flaherty of last year. But when
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  Speaker 3: you know it's in there, you obviously want to see
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  Speaker 3: more of it, and you deserve some credit here and
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  Speaker 3: for being on the front end of Like, is it
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  Speaker 3: fair to worry about the pitching depth a little bit
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  Speaker 3: because after the results and injury, we're seeing that Casey
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  Speaker 3: Maes there's a good chance he's going to be back
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  Speaker 3: and start Saturday. But you're kind of seeing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: cater Montero, We've seen a lot of them. He is
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  Speaker 3: kind of is what he is right now. Very unclear
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  Speaker 3: if or when we're gonna see Alex cob Tigers seem
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  Speaker 3: very excited about Sawyer Gibson Long Long's impending return, but
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  Speaker 3: he's not gonna be in the major leagues for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. The Tigers would like to keep these guys
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  Speaker 3: pitching one five days rest, which would mean Cater Gibson
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  Speaker 3: Long We'll see if and when Cob ever gets back,
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  Speaker 3: but bringing up some of these guys for the spot
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  Speaker 3: start then send them into the option cycle. They would
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  Speaker 3: like to do that into the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 3: You're still you know, you would like to have everyone
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  Speaker 3: either everyone healthy or like a little more starting pitching
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  Speaker 3: depth right there, and you don't have that, So I
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  Speaker 3: guess that's where it'd be nice to have the number
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  Speaker 3: two dominant version of Jack Flaherty. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also he's still probably gonna be one of your
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  Speaker 1: front facing in a series starters, just like he was
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  Speaker 1: for Los Angeles last year. So yeah, a lot, a
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: lot that's gonna be determined to me now and then
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  Speaker 1: we not have to get too ahead of ourselves. But
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  Speaker 1: obviously you're looky like cano be overlooked, just like how
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  Speaker 1: important he could be in regardless of any scenario.
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  Speaker 2: As we just slaid out for the staff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this talking point that I kind of plan
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  Speaker 1: to get into took a little bit of a ding today,
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  Speaker 1: but I still think it overall plays and that is
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  Speaker 1: with this being the first meeting between the Guardians and
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers since the post of the five game DS series.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to see some I want, I wanted and
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  Speaker 1: want to moving forward the rest of the weekend, I
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  Speaker 1: want to see some demonstrations of this team matching up better, different,
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  Speaker 1: you know, demonstrating some of the things that we've seen
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  Speaker 1: all to this point that makes this team like capable
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  Speaker 1: of getting to the next level, and in order to
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  Speaker 1: get to the next level, based on last year's team,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cs berth and overcoming teams like the Guardians, right,
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  Speaker 1: and especially considering that the Guardians you mentioned them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just being stubborn or whatever, like they still they were
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  Speaker 1: coming in and having lost like what four to six
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  Speaker 1: or something like that, so like they weren't like coming
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  Speaker 1: in hot or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, Flarerty's won.
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  Speaker 1: Because he didn't see Flarerty last season in the posts
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And then two the major batting lineup
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  Speaker 1: edition Glavor Torres, who lined out to center field, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, might have been a record for the Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: and flyouts and lineouts to center field today, Lance Thomas said,
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  Speaker 1: and none of them were like, you know, they were
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  Speaker 1: hard hit, but they weren't like hard plays like.
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  Speaker 2: So he got himself a nice little workout in the.
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  Speaker 1: Rain today and then he leaves the game with what
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  Speaker 1: were officially being told is lower right leg discomfort.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the official there.
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  Speaker 1: I went and looked at that swing several times afterward,
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't see any like like ankle turn or
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  Speaker 1: like knee buckle or you know, anything like that, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm I wouldn't play doctor anyway. I certainly didn't see
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  Speaker 1: anything just on the swing. Hopefully it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: abundance of cush type deals. But we talk about death now,
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  Speaker 1: like the glaber missing from this lineup, it is something
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  Speaker 1: that we've seen already can be glaring.
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  Speaker 3: This is This is the exact reason we've gotten a
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: million questions like who goes down when Vierlin comes up?
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: And who goes down when Like we're playing hypotheticals for
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  Speaker 3: situations that aren't actually here yet. I've said over and
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: over the Tigers are one injury away from none of
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  Speaker 3: these discussions mattering so much like it is interesting to
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  Speaker 3: think about, but if you watch the Tigers, this is
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  Speaker 3: all so fluid in terms of who's playing where to
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  Speaker 3: begin with, and injuries can always change anything. Don't know
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  Speaker 3: sure what will happen with Glaber. Toures didn't get much
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  Speaker 3: of an update from aj Hinch post game. Hopefully we
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  Speaker 3: will learn a little bit more Friday morning, but you
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  Speaker 3: hear lower leg. Always always a little bit concerning when
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  Speaker 3: a guy like that comes out of the game. Good
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  Speaker 3: news is, you know your reinforcements are on the way.
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  Speaker 3: Matt Vierling is on the way. I wouldn't be shocked
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  Speaker 3: if we see him Sunday, when Sol Perez is on
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  Speaker 3: the way, Parker Meadows is on the way, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not too far behind now. In terms of matching up
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  Speaker 3: with the Guardians, I don't know. Like so far this year,
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers have been the better team. I think what
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: they needed last year in the postseason was offense. Was
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  Speaker 3: hitting well Tigers, you know, batting average, run score. They've
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: been second best in the American League for the most
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  Speaker 3: part in most offensive categories, behind only the Yankees. Can
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  Speaker 3: they sustain that, That's obviously a question. Will McKinstry, Bias Dingler,
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  Speaker 3: all these guys continue to play this well in the
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  Speaker 3: second half. I don't know, Maybe maybe not, But I
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  Speaker 3: think think overall, we've seen Riley Green take a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a step forward. We've seen Spencer Torgelsen rebound.
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  Speaker 3: Glaber Tuarez has been a terrific addition to this lineup. Overall,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: it's a better offense than it was last season, and
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: at least right now, the Guardians are still kind of
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: working out some kinks in their roster. So I think
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: just the fact that this seems to be a more
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: potent lineup, even if the personal is not a ton different,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: bodes and the Tigers favor for how maybe this season
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: series will shake out and and maybe can bode well
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: for them in the postseason.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Well, look, if I was a Guardians fan and I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: don't like follow the Tigers, you know, day to day
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: or you know whatever, like, I would see the lineup
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and then I look at the stats and I'd be like, well,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: lineup looks relatively the same, but like the like, especially
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Torglsen is basically a different player than what they saw
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: last year. They did not see Hobby Bias in the postseason,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and he's a one point seven and war player right now.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And then that the you know, I mentioned ding You
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: mentioned Dinglar, and Torres like Dinglar again on the roster,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: but he obviously looks a lot better than he did
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: when he was He's still a pup, but he was
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: like fresh fresh puff last year, didn't didn't even play
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: in the postseason really uh so, like there's a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of new that they're throwing at Like that's really my
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: main point, I guess, is that there's a lot of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: new they're gonna be able to throw out against the Guardians.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: The Flairty thing, like I said, and then Casey Mize
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: presumably likely you know, whatever words we want to use.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Is like he wasn't even on the roster, or if
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: he was, he didn't pitch. I can't remember exactly the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: roster decisions. But so like you're gonna get a whole
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So you got a whole new torqu you got a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: whole new Bias, you got a whole new Casey Mice,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and then you know, the Torres thing doesn't look like
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, But like this is a way to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: show like a little bit of a it's a power
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: move potential weekend. I guess it is is the main
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: point for me, because as you cut, it's a four
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: game series, so you're gonna see everything that they got
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to throw at you, and you're gonna have to basically
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: throw everything at them, you know what I mean, And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a nice little as far as
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: late May goes a nice little barometer test for for
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: how these teams kind of match up. And that's that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the most interesting piece of this to me, because I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: don't like they could be six games out of a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: wildcard spot that me and the Guardians with five games
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to go. I'm not sure I'm gonna rule them out
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: making the postseason. Like I just don't think, like I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: just like Jose Ramirez and and Smith and like and Quad,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like all these guys man like they are they have
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: all the elements that still keep you up at night,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and so like I want to see the Tigers kind
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of he's a pun here, like step up to the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: play a little bit. I don't and and I don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: even necessarily mean win the series, obviously you're looking to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: do that split whatever. Like it's not even like a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: strictly win loss thing as much as just like how
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: does it look and how does it feel? Because it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: kind of what I'm looking at, and I haven't felt
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that way about a series yet this year.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, the Guardians run differential tells me that
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: they're bound to start losing, But to me, the fact
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: they have a winning record despite not playing their best
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: baseball tells me I would not write them off. You
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: just look at this stuff like I don't know, I
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: almost never look at the standings in May, but I'm
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: looking at this one and I'm like, well, the Tigers
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: win the next three, the Guardians are suddenly eight games
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: behind the Tigers. Eight games, pretty big deficit. But if
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the Guardians win three in a row sweep before game series,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: they're only two games back of Detroit. They are knocking
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: one your door. I wouldn't be shocked two if they
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: split the series two and two and none of it matters.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: But this is a division series, and you know there
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: is some wait on it. There is something at stake here.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I think you could feel that a little bit even
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: early in that game Thursday, where it was just like
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: oh okay, like they're not the players are gonna admit it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: But this is a little bit of a mini rivalry,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and these two teams have seen a lot of each other,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: and I think they very much want to beat each other.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it like, you know, it's just you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: it's just one game, you know, blah blah, oh the cliches,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: but it's still like, you know, there's a team that
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like celebrated your season ending last year. Like there's a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: little bit of a pride element to this that should
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: come into play. Doesn't have to, it doesn't have to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: be the overriding narrative, but it ought to be kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: in the back of everybody's mind. And again, like you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Glabor faced them last year in the postseason too. That's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: another reason why, you know, not not the you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it's disappointing that he that he got hurt. So I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: like that you brought up the rivalry thing because because
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Dan said on the radio today, it's like, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they've never really been like rivals rivals because they've never
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: really been like good at the same time, and I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have enough respect for that organization and old indications are
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the Tigers have a good thing going, you know, not
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: really breaking news like this could be something we could
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be in the midst of, like the early aspect of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a divisional and like real like postseason viv that'd be fun.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: That'd be fun.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That would make that make series like this a lot
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: more interesting and and a lot more nail biten every
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: time Jose Ramirez comes to uh wait, because that that guy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Man, God, he's so.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Good and we like, what we're not gonna do. Remember
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: last year and we were like, we're not gonna overlook
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: what the nation does. We're not gonna overlook hoose Ramirez.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: We're not doing that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Don't don't do it. Don't do it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Just don't do it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to a possible roster conundrum.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Things that might work itself out, might not have I
• 23:02
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• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get Cody's thoughts on.
• 23:07
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  Speaker 3: Go get after it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I was looking at Jay hen he obviously came up
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: in that ah Ning, and I assume they gave that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a gave that a hit. But I'm trying to figure
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: out what the best use of Justin Henry Maloy is
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: because I was looking at it. He's played in forty
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: games and he's got eighty four I believe, ish around
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: their played appearances or at bats, I should say at bats.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And so he's averaging like two point whatever at bats
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a game, and they're and if you watch, like it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: against lefties, like lefty starters, and then it's you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the lefty, you know, the lefty righting matchup pin hitting situation,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And I just don't know if that's the best use.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Of his skill sets.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Like, he's a guy that I feel like I want,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I want him working pictures like the same picture, like
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: as many times as possible, and and like especially if
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be at the top of lineup, which he
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: has been, and like and you know, giving giving guys
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: behind him better looks and and and showing some of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that power which we still really haven't seen from him
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: period in the major leagues. And if you're not going
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to use him on defense, which they obviously are hesitant
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to do, I just I don't think Triple A is
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: quote unquote best for him, but I think playing every day,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: including against righties, is best for him, and I think
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: outfield reps is best for him. And so I almost
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: wonder with some decisions coming up, if that's like, if
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the thing to do. You see what
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I just I believe in what his
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: skill set is, but I think it's an everyday skill set,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: like a consistent everyday skill set, not necessarily a spot
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: skill set. And unfortunately it's kind of an either or
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: thing right now with the way the team is constructed.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. Jayen's been in an odd situation,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: just a little bit of a like misfit piece for
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the Tigers this year. Even though it's good to have
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: like that right handed bench bet, especially if you don't
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: fully trust him in the field, you know, it's just
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: been tough to get him in the lineup as much
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: as I think you would like, I'm not sure going
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: back to Triple A is gonna do him a lot
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: of good. He has more than eight hundred. He has
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: eight hundred and ninety three career plate appearances in Triple A.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: He's got an eight ninety one ohps like he's conquered
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: triple A for the most part at the plate. Now granted,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: in the field, more reps couldn't hurt, because that is
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: obviously an area he still has to improve. But the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: roster decision, I'm not that worried about it. I'm expecting
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Matt Vierling to probably be activated Sunday against a left
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: handed pitcher, which makes me think, Okay, do you do
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: go ahead and send down Badu since it's a lefty Maybe?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: And then I think the real question is how far
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: away is Winsel Perez. I'm expecting him back sometime soon.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly when, but I think these two
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: moves are gonna happen in pretty close successions, or the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: point that probably Akiel and Jahen are likely to both
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: go down in the next handful of days. So really
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: we're talking about maybe one of them gets, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: an extra series or something in the major leagues at best.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And then you have Parker Meadows knocking right on your
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: door too, to create another decision. Does Winsle go down
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: as there is? Do you have some sort of other
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: option there. That's why I'm ultimately not worried about it
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lefty Sunday, you're gonna see I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: think Alrighty's against the Giants. Some of it may depend
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: on the timeline with win Sell, but not sure it
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: ultimately is gonna matter unless you're you're locked in on
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: how much service time these guys have.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm more about like trying to get
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the most out of the asset, like as what they like,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: what they can contribute to the team. And and I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: know obviously you're not contruving to the major league tea
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: when you triple A, but like there is just I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just feel like it's not would you would you rather have.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Win Cell or Jahn? I think is an interesting question.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Would you rather have the righty somewhat power plate discipline
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: but doesn't give you a lot else or the switch
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: hit you know, can play three outfield spots, pretty good
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: base runner because I think that's tough. I'm a more
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: of a believer in Jahon's upside at the plate, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Winsell is probably a more usable part.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Probably does more, probably does more, uh and I tend
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I tend to agree. And I also think using like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: spot win Cell usage is more of a is more
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of using the asset well than spot Jahn usage. Like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I just feel like Jahn is a everyday type player
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that just isn't getting every day reps.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Winsell Well, not that great against left ease
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the Tigers, believe it or not. I think sixth in
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: offense against left handed pitching. They've actually been fine. But
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that's something you consider as well. And also knowing the Tigers,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: they're not afraid to alter their roster based on series
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: by series, So maybe we'll see some glimpses of both
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of those guys. Well, and then you have Parker Meadows
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: coming up to complicate the whole situation. Yeah, but if
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: someone's injured, if Glaper's injured, what happens? Then see talk
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: ourselves into circles with some of this stuff.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's probably something we're not considering as well
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Probably, So all.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Right, Cody, anything else before we get out of here.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: No, that's it. We'll be back and maybe even have
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: a little more roster clarity next time.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't that be nice? All right?
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