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Joey Logano | Kenny Conversation #9 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well, we get lucky every time we do the Kenny conversation and
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boy, we really lucky this time. Joey Logano to time to time
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Nascar Cup champion at 32 years old, that's incredible.
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Joey, welcome to the Kenny conversation, bad.
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Glad to be here. Kenny, I'm a little nervous
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about where this is going to go, but have a look cited as well.
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So let's have some fun. Yeah, and I appreciate that.
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I, you know, The Joey, I always tell everybody that up.
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It's healthy to have two or three of you inside you so
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there's definitely two or three of me.
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I think the I think the fun one that makes you a little nervous
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about me is the one. Maybe you see on TV people want
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to be entertained Joey, you reread her grave it it's not
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even what I see on TV. It's the social media account
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that I absolutely love is just straight out there.
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Filter is not existed for Kenny Wallace.
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I love it. I think everybody loves that.
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It's good. Yeah, well, I think if I was
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driving in the Cup Series, right now, like, you are, and I had a
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big sponsor like you do right now.
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I don't think you'd see that side of me, you know, 2015 was
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my last Xfinity race up in Iowa with with Joe Gibbs.
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You know, and I had a big sponsor and I was still a little
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little crazy, but I think you're going to see the real side of me
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today and let's start out like that.
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Kenny conversation that you feel free to stop me anytime you
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want. Because we can throw audibles
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and go any way you would like, you know, it just seems like
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yesterday. You will, you know, little Joey
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sliced bread and now all of a sudden I see on social media, I
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see you married, you're teaching your kids to ride, go-karts.
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The tell me about that period right there where you were
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running. And now, all of a sudden you're
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married and you have a wonderful family Everyday, Life Changes,
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right? It's kind of crazy.
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I mean, everyone's, I'm you've been through it but it's, it's
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cool too. 41 grow up in the sport, right?
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And everybody kind of sees your growth pattern and how you've
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matured throughout your years, right?
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And it for you, it might be a little different actually
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because when you're 18, there was a social media and YouTube
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where all the stuff lives forever.
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Now, my mistakes that I made when I was 18, they they live
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forever on social media and on YouTube.
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So it's changed a little bit for me.
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But yeah, I think when you Think of, you know, I started when I
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was 18 and XFinity series and 19 and cup.
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And and you know you you're not only growing as a person.
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You're also growing as a race car driver in front of all these
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people. And that was always kind of
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challenging and interesting and fun but you know as you get
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older you start to figure out who you are not only as a
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person, but also as a driver and you can kind of your in the
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growing in multiple ways, right? You start growing as a driver
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and You know, I got married to Brittany and now three crazy.
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Kids. Run around the house.
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We have girls there because it's harder.
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What you are the youngest person
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we've had on Kenny conversation. So you throw me.
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On a different Road. You throw me on a different
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pattern. You are the first person.
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That had to grow up in front of the social media.
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Are there things that you wanted to say you wanted to do.
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But you can't do because of social media.
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Has it changed you? No, no, everybody's got a camera
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these days, right? So there is, yeah, we talked
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about that. You got to be careful with what
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you say, and what you do, but I don't feel like I have to change
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who I am because of it like this is because this is just kind of
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who I am. I don't, I don't think I'm edgy
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in some ways and there's some jokes out there but I'm not
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like, I'm not saying things, I shouldn't say.
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I feel like my Morals are in the correct direction to where I
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don't have to worry about slipping up on something on
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social media and those type of things.
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The things that I worry about more than ever.
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It's just like when when I was not, not that I'm smart now, but
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when I was dumber than I am, you want it, you're very wise smart,
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but I said things on TV when I was young maybe something about
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Kevin Harvick's wife were in a fire suit but that was awesome.
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Yeah, it was awesome but now like my Kids will see that and
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go Dad, what was that? That's awesome.
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Why are you fighting people? On Pit Road.
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I'm ready for those conversations to pop up one day
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and be like. Yeah, my not handled that one
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perfectly correct, you know, but it's a it's funny know some of
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them were needed to happen, so it's okay.
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But those conversations will happen that most parents don't
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have to deal with that type of thing.
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Talking about parents. you know, I mean we're just starting Kenny
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conversation but Does your children show interest in
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racing? Do you want them to race?
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How's that conversation going with Brittany right now?
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I don't and you could probably help me with this.
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So my oldest Hudson, he's a top with it.
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Loves racing loves any mustard Drive, something every day.
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I come home. Let's go drive this.
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Let's go drive this. Okay, let's go, like, I'm fine
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with it because I enjoy it. I have fun with it too and he's
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a mini me. Like he is, identical.
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I know what he's thinking the all the whole awesome.
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So he's, he's our oldest. He's only five and I don't want
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to push him to go. Think I guess the other people
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really pushing their kids and like, really making it like a
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job for them right off the bat. And I see that at these like
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little local go-kart tracks that we go to, and I don't like that.
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I just think there's plenty of time to be a professional
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driver, and then it's going to be job.
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And I remember when I was a kid, my most favorite, most cherished
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memories of racing is when I was a kid because I showed up with
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my dad, he didn't know what he was doing.
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I didn't know what I was doing, we can trace, I hadn't come from
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a racing family and we just went and had fun.
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Like that's that's all it was about.
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And yeah, we won and we didn't know why but we're having a good
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time and like I just remember those memories being just so
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special and now when I go to kids races I just see This
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intensity level that is just so high and it's like that in all
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sports. Now, it's just kind of how
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things go, but I just want to make sure it's fun.
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And so, he's only five, I don't even start racing, so I was
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seven. So we really enjoy the backyard
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right now, it just tear that up, right?
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Just get a yard, we have a yard cart.
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He does that. We do have a little Outlaw cards
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have seen this out, like car seat.
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The kids race up at Mill Bridge. Yeah, that's fun.
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We went up. There it is.
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To the point, like we showed up back of my F-150 like that's it,
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I had a tool bag. Someone had to help me unload
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the thing because I can't pick the thing up by myself, and it's
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just me and him like let's just let's just go out there and have
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some fun. And I don't want it to be more
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than that for quite some time because I don't want to wear
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them out for what I want to make sure it's fun and I want them to
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have the same memories that I had, right?
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And he's competitive enough that he wants to win and he's pushing
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hard out there and I see that I want to see him try hard.
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I want him to work on the car. I don't want I pay somebody to
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take care of the car for us, like I want us to be able to do
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that that stuff because I think the Lessons Learned in that is
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means more than the racing. The chances of making it and
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ask, how are you now? It is that very high partner,
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very rare to make it. But the lessons that you learn
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in kids sports will I think Change your trajectory of life,
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more than anything. And teach you the things you
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need to know and teach you how to win and how to lose more
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importantly. And I want him to have all that
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for sure. And teach him hard work and
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preparation and those type of things.
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Yeah, you, you are wise, beyond your years because this is what
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I really wanted to dive into at the start of Kenny conversation
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because your dad is the legendary weather.
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You know, it or not, because he loves you so much.
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And so does your mother, your sister who was a great ice
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skater. We all watched you, you know, it
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was like you being prepared to be this.
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Great racer that you are right now.
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So, did you, we're on the same subject here?
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Did you grow up with this natural talent that you have?
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I mean, your car control is off the charts.
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It was when you were a child. So, did your dad, teach you
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this? Where did this great car
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control? You know, early in your life?
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Come from, I think just like another Sports.
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There's a certain level of god-given talent.
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So happy you said that and they're not given Talent.
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Yes, yeah, absolutely. And and everybody has some kind
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of talent. It's just if you're fortunate
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enough to discover it, right? That's the thing is going to be
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in driving a race car. It might be in math.
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It might be in go waterskiing you went racing, right?
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Right. I tried that.
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Don't have Now, I say that, and when you
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get to the cup level, everybody has God given talents and
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there's some out there that have more than me.
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No doubt that are just better and that's when that's when work
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ethic and preparation and you know, just being a student of
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the sport, trying to find an advantage comes into play where
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I like I said, I think I'm pretty good naturally, but
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you're the best. Yeah, sure.
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Only two-time, NASCAR champion, your incredible, appreciate
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that, but I'm not naturally good enough to go out there and win
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to carry. Say you study.
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I have to I have to I feel like I have to work harder than other
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drivers to be good, just to be competitive, right?
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I leave a picture behind me. This one here.
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When, when we go, I drove the 20 car, right?
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If I had enough god-given talent, I wouldn't have got
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fired from that job, okay? Right.
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You I was wrong to the world. You were not ready.
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Great. I wasn't ready because I wasn't
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good enough, right? Like if I was that special, I
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would have just figured Mining and circumstances.
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Yeah. So overall, it all worked out
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really well, and I learned a lot of lessons throughout all that,
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but that's when I realized, I gotta go to work to, like, get
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better. I got to really practice them
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work at my craft and the, the little details that make a
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really good race car driver. So there's always audibles.
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I always remind everybody that this conversation is not
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perfectly organized. Do, do you leave that picture
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behind you up there on purpose? I mean that was your first cup
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win. We all remember it.
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You've won so much with Roger Penske.
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Is that why is that picture up there?
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Well, I have I have other ones over here too.
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That's it. Okay, there we go.
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There we go. So, that was actually a Pocono,
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it wasn't New Hampshire and because I kind of came in kind
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of a weird thing, but that weekend there was one of the
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most stressful and most most emotional weekends, I guess.
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I could say, I've been through because that whole week going
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into it is where it became, pretty public, that Matt Kenseth
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was, Get over to 20 car. I had a lot of questions about
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it. We happen to show up, put the
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thing on the pole and race Mark Martin for the win and that was
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my second win in the first time in 13 years and I was looking
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for a job right. At that moment I was like that
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was when I was thinking, will I be a racecar driver anymore?
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What am I going to do? Because all my eggs are in one
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basket, it was to be a race car driver.
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Since I I was a little kid and and that was the moments of my
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life where I was like, oh I don't have a failed play on here
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like and it's about time travel story.
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And so that was just so and I so that that that race, there is
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not a more important race in my career than that one right
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there. And it's probably not known to
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everyone. I would probably think
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Championship weekends or getting into the championship for those
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type of things are larger, but those don't happen without that,
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weren't there. So that's, that's why I keep it
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up there because it was a tough one that what that was added to
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me shows, just the growth pattern that I needed to go
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through the, the failures that I needed to go through the grow
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and the mistakes of me to made to grow and it all kind of came
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to that moment right there. That really changed my life.
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They gave me an opportunity at Penske This is something that
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children teenagers need to hear because Joey Logano is an
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incredible Nascar Cup driver. He's looked up upon and this
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that picture this was a turning point in your career.
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So you're thinking your you set quick time you won the race
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Right there at Pocono. And yet during this whole time
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you're like I'm fired. I don't have a job and in your
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mind you have to rule all that out.
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So The question Bears, did you get this mental toughness from
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your mother your father grandma grandpa because I feel like
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there's another conversation here in a little bit about that.
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Where how are you able to focus on that?
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We can knowing that the guy coming for your seat, you know,
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you're racing him. You're upset, you're hurt.
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Yeah, and it's Your mom and dad hide from it, right?
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Probably my dad. My dad asked my, dad's a tough
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dude. Yes.
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And I think you just gotta, you gotta try to compartmentalize
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things in your life and you can't hide from it.
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It was happening, right? Like I couldn't run from it,
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couldn't hide from it, people are talking about it, it's
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coming up in every conversation, we just keeps happening.
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Happening. It was happening, right?
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Like it's all true. Okay.
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Like it. Yeah.
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And so you can't hide it from it but then you also got to focus
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in and do the job and you don't want to try too hard to where
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you wreck, right? Like you over try.
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And, you know, everyone's been part of that.
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Where you try too hard and then you end up putting too much
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pressure on yourself and you failed miserably, right?
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Like your maturity is showing up right now.
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Most kids that age. Thank God.
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Yeah and sometimes you just gotta get in just go do.
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Do what, you know, how to do and the timing of it was good.
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Obviously had a good car that weekend.
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Everything kind of worked out perfectly, but yeah, it was it
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was the hardest moments of my life.
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Those three years there where I thought, I drank the Kool-Aid
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man. Like I thought I was the man
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growing up. I was the youngest and
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everything. I was winning everything and I
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was like, yeah, I am really really good.
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You know it and I want was New York.
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Yo, and you're 15, 16 and Mark Martin's, say, near to the next
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thing to make it and you're going sliced bread.
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And there was commercials before I made my first Xfinity start
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just of me growing up at about like the, the moment I'm going
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to start my first race and how big is going to be.
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And, and then I won my first ride, my third Xfinity race in
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Kentucky. Yeah, I am good.
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Thank, I believe it. You know, and then I got that a
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cup level and, and It was just like getting beat into the
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ground. They're all really good.
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And I never lost before. I could even know how to lose
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it, even know what it's about. And I was like this awful and so
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getting through that like trench of learning how to lose
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learning, how to get better, really, having to work on my
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craft, as I never had to do that before, I didn't have to work on
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my craft before, I was just good and then everybody else was good
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and I'm like, oh I suck. I got a lot of work to do and so
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it's kind of accepting that and working at it and income
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eventually covered in that moment there.
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And this is the way they can. T conversation goes.
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I'm finally going to get to my very first question and what I
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mean, here we are, here we are 20 minutes into Kinney
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conversation, that's kind of where I wanted to start.
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So, in my mind, I remember everything about you and you're
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right. It was Mark the kid Martin out
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of Batesville Arkansas who was in your shoes.
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I'm a lot older than you, but, you know, Mark was a natural
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talent to his. dad Julian Martin is like, oh my God, you know,
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Mark Mark, Martin wins everything at 12 and 13 years
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old, driving full-blown, big cars and it was Mark that told
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us all Mark, Martin shouted, it from the rooftops there's this
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kid coming is name is Joey Logano.
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Tell me about that time when Mark put you on the national
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radar and we all said, who is he wears yet?
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Tell us about that. Yeah, that was.
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So, is there a delay and over? And this is when Mark was
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retiring the first time. It was like, yeah.
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Could that same weekend? I was racing in Mansfield Ohio
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and a pro Cup car. I won the race and it's so is
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the perfect timing of he made the comment.
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I won the race is like boom, boom.
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And then Kenny, you wouldn't believe it.
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It was, I was getting phone calls to come drive a race car
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for chip ganassi for Joe Gibbs and Rauch.
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I have 33 written contracts. Honor on my desk and it was me
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and my dad reading through them saying, what do we want to do?
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This was not what you see today, where people have to come to the
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table with money to drive a race car.
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Yeah, that talented. I was getting paid at 15 years
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old, drive a race car that's nuts in today's world.
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And and so to think of I had these terms, these deals that
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were, we're going to have three years before I can go racing.
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They were going to pay for all my racing.
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I was in get paid while I was 15 years old to go racing.
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Then I'm going to drive an Xfinity car and go right into
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cut the next, the next year. And this is where I'm going to
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pay for the next seven years. This is what it.
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This is what it is. And I have three Deals that were
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all the same, just like that. Do you think Mark Market, Mark
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Martin's voice? Help, that was my heart, 100%
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100%. You couldn't, you couldn't say
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it any other way because people respected Mark Martin that much.
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I respect his opinion. What he what?
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He Stood for on the racetrack, how we raise people respect that
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guy and so when you said my name it was like this guy must be
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must know. And so that was like the big
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turning point for me. And like I said that that's nuts
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to think that that could even happen, you know.
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And so for me, the timing was perfect, that's when there was
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driver development, programs going on where it was very
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important to develop the next the next driver and everybody
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did that. And so, We're looking and and
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it's great opportunity. Joe Gibbs.
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I signed with them. They bought all our Pro cup
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stuff, so they bought our trailer for a card.
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Everything we moved into the Xfinity shop.
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I've been that was a weird moment.
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As we go, roll it in with her, you know, we had, it was
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Renegade haulers. All right, if we come in like
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all right, where do where do we put our stuff?
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The Beverly Hillbillies are coming to town.
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This is Greg, nobody never knew this.
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Hmm. So it's a pretty incredible
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thing when you think about it, you know?
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And that I only I only had to race with racing and how it is,
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right? You gotta have somebody funding
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it, obviously, so she's good, right?
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You're not getting sponsors that are doing this stuff, but I only
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had to do that to us, 15, right? I only had the race on my dad's
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dime, basically, until I was 15, which is just incredible today.
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So pretty, pretty special. So I got to stay on this point
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just for a little bit longer. I go over to try.
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I City Speedway in Granite City, Illinois, very close to the
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worldwide technology Raceway. Where you were the inaugural
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winner? I go over there and they got
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this kind of like this new. You Shack quarter midget deal.
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But it's called, NASCAR youth series.
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Yep. And I go over and I see Danielle
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fry Jo J fries wife, who runs the IndyCar League.
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I go over there and Joey, there's 287 cars, there's motor
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homes everywhere and they said to me, hey, this Is were Carson
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host of our really showed up with his talent.
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So with that, from listening to your story and knowing that is
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work on cars and started, he showed up really good in the Cup
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race. Do you think it's much harder to
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get in the cup series nowadays? Because obviously you got in
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with Talent nowadays, you almost gotta fund yourself to get into
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big cars, and you almost got a fund yourself to get into the
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Xfinity series. Do you consider your timing and
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circumstances? Perfect, lucky, perfect.
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Let me be more better. It was if I started sooner,
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right? I guess.
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It's a broken system. I hate to say it but it is so
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challenging to make it because you got to have got to have
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cash. Not now this not everybody
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right? Unless you got to be a standout,
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you got only 99.9% of the people got to have money, you better be
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ridiculously good today to get the opportunity that I had.
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And I mean, even even today, Kenny, I can't go drive a truck.
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Without bringing money to the table, right?
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Well, that's big. What that truck at Bristol.
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This year. I had to bring a significant
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amount of money to go drive it. You would think you went a
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couple Cup championships that you can go drive, whatever you
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want. Whenever you do, you write it
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was like, well, they would want me in the cars.
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I can help them build their program.
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I have experience. I can you know, help us.
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Nope, nope. I got to bring money to go.
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Re still So it's an unbelievable.
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I mean it to me this is breaking news in the garage area though.
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This is this is true. He has even said though our
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champion has to bring money to go racing.
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What is a 18 year old kid 19? 20 year old kid that does not
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have a resume expect? Unbelievable.
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I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it like
25:42
to the point that like my kids are irritates me.
25:46
It's up how it upsets me too and I don't know the fix either,
25:50
it's too freaking expensive and I think there's a I think if you
25:54
look at the lower levels are doing a great job at finding
25:57
more efficient ways to go racing.
25:59
If you look at quarter midgets, you brought that up.
26:01
That's decent, Legends cars, late models summer summer way
26:06
too expensive but there's some local I said you're doing it in
26:09
a more efficient way. Dirt racing seems like one of
26:11
the most efficient ways to go racing.
26:15
That's that's all good but when you get to like ARCA trucks.
26:20
Xfinity like the business model sucks.
26:24
You're bringing money just sucks.
26:27
Yep. So the true basically you have
26:29
to pay for it. We can do it right?
26:31
Like up racing, the team owners, they can make money and and
26:35
that's important. And then we're if they can get a
26:38
sponsor and pay a driver to drive their car, that's great.
26:41
But there's not many racing series these days that can do
26:45
that and doesn't matter what your resume is you're going to
26:50
have to pay to go play. So although this is a beautiful
26:53
conversation because it believes the truth.
26:56
It's like wow. It is really true.
26:59
Are two-time Champion. Just said he went to run a truck
27:02
race and they said well you got any money.
27:05
It's that's that's unheard of. So your own part I wanted to
27:08
read more but I couldn't find the money and I don't want to
27:14
pay for me to race you. I gotta go find a sponsor.
27:18
To go to go to a car and look at me, I'm quite I just can't
27:22
believe what I'm hearing. Wow, this is unbelievable.
27:29
I'm looking at my notes because this this conversation, very
27:33
important me because I feel like, even though I'm much older
27:37
than you, I'm 60 I'll be 60, always 20, 30, or 32.
27:42
I'm twice your age but you've taught me life lessons.
27:46
I look at your men. No, Joe, you're extremely smart
27:51
your you know We're going to we're going to change the course
27:55
of this conversation now. So early, in my my racing career
28:04
I never felt like I was talented enough to make enough money and
28:09
I said to myself, if I ever make money, I'm going to do my very
28:13
best with it because I'm from Missouri more Missouri.
28:16
Frugal $10 is everything new. So when I did make it to NASCAR
28:19
started to put all my money away, And I bought some rental
28:23
property, 12, rental homes, they they did good.
28:27
They did really good actually because I made, you know, I
28:30
cashed in put that money in the stock market.
28:33
So here's where we're going with this.
28:36
I know for a fact that you are an incredible businessman, you
28:41
are wise beyond your years. And I'm not going to tell the
28:44
whole story. But you and I were involved in,
28:47
you know, there was talk about maybe you buying some of my
28:51
property. I wanted to leave North
28:53
Carolina, I want to come back home, but there's articles in,
28:56
in the news right now, about you, you know, my mother-in-law.
29:00
She pays attention everything, she goes, Joey's involved in a
29:02
business development in North - oh, Where does that come from?
29:09
I mean, you're doing at all. Do you got a little teen there?
29:13
Because you're not edible. That's okay.
29:16
Tell everybody got to have somebody tell us about this
29:20
business. Mine, there's only so much I can
29:23
do. And I have this little chip on
29:27
my shoulder that I want to prove that I can make money, not
29:29
driving a race car. Awesome.
29:32
And because I respect the hell out of people.
29:37
That have come from Rags to Riches.
29:39
I respect them so much and I tell those people all the time.
29:43
I cheated in life. I said if you're an athlete like
29:49
in ways, he cheated, you got a little unfair, advantage in
29:53
business for drive. Around in circles.
29:56
I pay you a lot of money. Wow, throw a ball.
30:00
You, you know, you feel. I'm gonna throw a ball like it's
30:04
in and not only do you get paid to do that.
30:06
That the opportunities that come your way are Priceless?
30:11
The people can, you know, it think about the people that you
30:14
have in your phone number in your phone right now that you
30:17
can just call CEOs of Fortune. 500 companies.
30:25
Just call the driving surface fast.
30:28
Yep. And they want to talk to me.
30:30
I hate wasting an opportunity. I hate that.
30:33
Like I have the most unfair advantage in life and to not
30:40
take advantage of that is the biggest waste of all time and so
30:45
and I don't know how long that I have that Advantage, right?
30:48
Because I can be not relevant tomorrow, right?
30:51
But I'm relevant right now. And there's worst fears what you
30:55
just said. Well, I win again.
30:57
We're at 100%. And so the opportunities have
31:01
come by way to do certain things.
31:03
Whether it's starting a studio down here or doing this
31:08
development deal, that that's on my plate right now.
31:12
Now it's important for me to prioritize things, right.
31:14
And that's why I need people to help me because number one job
31:18
is to go drive a race car. Well, number one job is to be a
31:20
dad. That's not one doubt.
31:22
It husband. Number two job is to drive a
31:24
race car and make sure I never fail at that.
31:29
And then number three is just, I like the sight of its kind of,
31:32
it's my hobby, it's my hobby, I love learning about it, I love
31:37
you know, the challenges that come along with it and like I
31:39
said, the chip on my shoulder of just wanting to prove to myself
31:41
that I can be more in a race car driver, right?
31:44
Your dad launch, your dad's is very smart, my dad went rags to
31:47
riches and I respect the hell out of him for it.
31:50
And I feel like I'm I don't stack up in that department.
31:53
Yet, and I want to try to get there.
31:54
My goal, this is my, this is the, I said, stupid gold in my
31:58
mind, I want to make as much risk as much money outside of
32:01
the race cars are doing the race car.
32:03
I want to get to that point. That's my goal.
32:05
And so that's that's what I work towards something.
32:10
I don't want to interrupt you but I want to make you feel
32:13
good. My brother Rusty.
32:16
Told me something that I don't think he'll I think it's a
32:20
compliment to my brother. He owns nine dealerships in
32:24
Knoxville Tennessee. He makes more money now than
32:26
when he drove a race car and I'm sure Roger Penske and Rick
32:30
Hendrick. So that's your goal.
32:33
I want to be able to do that and in a way that I can, there's a
32:38
phase 2 in my life, is a phase 2 in any, any athletes life, where
32:43
you have, you You have this great success and things are
32:47
going right in your earning potential is great.
32:49
And then it's going to go away gone, just gone.
32:54
And if you don't have anything else, you will be depressed.
32:58
There's no doubt that if you don't have something else lined
33:01
up or other things to do and something to challenge your
33:04
mind, you are going to be a depressed person.
33:07
We've seen it so many times with other athletes that this is
33:10
their hundred percent in and it's great to be 100% in.
33:13
But if you don't have something else, else when the day comes
33:17
where you hang up your helmet or you're forced out of the sport
33:19
or the other You're going to be depressed and I don't want that
33:25
feeling, I love the challenge, I love growth.
33:28
And you know, so with that and I know tell me about money is not
33:34
everything, right? Like family is number one solves
33:36
a lot of problems and the foundation is a big piece to
33:42
what we do as well. The where we're able to really
33:45
help other kids, and foster kids that have gone through a lot of
33:49
different things to try to give them the opportunities that to
33:51
do what I'm doing, right? It did become a writer.
33:55
Hold on you, I understand what you're trying to say.
33:57
I want everybody to know that there are people to go oh, he
34:02
has money but but the Joey Logano Foundation.
34:06
Joe you give so much money away. You raised a lot of money,
34:10
you're good. Tell me about that, Foundation.
34:14
Well, that's, that's that's the why, right?
34:17
Everyone's got to have the, why, what you do and we've talked
34:22
about on your show here, so far, we talked about winning races
34:25
and we talked about making money, none of those matter in
34:30
the grand scheme of things, it doesn't in life.
34:36
The me, it's, yeah, that's just a measurement and a goal to
34:40
chase, but it doesn't impact somebody's life it is.
34:44
Sorry, it'll all be gone someday and no one's going to Care.
34:47
No, one's going to care. Who won the Daytona 500?
34:49
No, no one's going to care. Who won the championship in
34:52
years, down the road. It's just going to be a stat in
34:55
a book, right? I was reading the 50th
34:57
Anniversary Book, NASCAR. When I was a kid, my mom just
35:02
gave it back to me. She kept it for some reason, but
35:04
I was reading the other day and I'm reading some of these names
35:07
that one change. So I've never heard of right
35:11
anyway, they were the man, at one point, they were the man
35:14
Man, there are about it going on, you're thinking right?
35:18
How crazy is that? So none of this even matters.
35:20
So if you can impact somebody's life in a positive way, that's
35:24
generational, that is how you continue a.
35:28
It really does make a difference, right?
35:29
And so the foundation we started to do that, we've given away, I
35:34
think it's over six million dollars now over the last few
35:38
years and it's all for foster kids, Foster families kids.
35:44
It haven't been born into the best families, right?
35:47
It is not their fault and don't Bad Card just for running to her
35:52
crap family. I'm sorry.
35:53
That's what it is and and there's a lot of people that are
35:57
willing to invest their time to really help these kids and it's
36:03
incredible. What these families are able to
36:05
do and and we want to help support them.
36:07
We want to help support the organizations that help place,
36:10
the kids they help give these families the resources they need
36:13
think. About think about this, think
36:15
about just getting a phone, call one day and saying, hey, we have
36:18
these two siblings that they need somebody and we're going to
36:21
drop off today. What this happens, everything
36:26
every day and think about except pressure Joey.
36:29
Is that pressure or? No.
36:33
No, it's not pressure. It's just what you're supposed
36:35
to do, right? This is just what guy calls you
36:39
to do, and it's where we feel like my wife and eyes hearts are
36:44
Is with kids and families like that.
36:46
And we work with organizations that give them the resources to
36:48
do it. Even better.
36:50
Yeah, now I know why you're so good because you're mature
36:53
beyond your years but okay, so the reason I wanted to bring
36:56
that up is because you know, we all see and hear and we know we
37:01
know everybody knows the right thing to do but then they choose
37:04
a different pattern. So you know, there's that thing.
37:06
Well, I'd rather be a good person than to have money and,
37:10
you know, that's not a fair statement.
37:12
That's why I wanted to bring it up.
37:14
Is that your heart is in the right place?
37:16
Your I believe you're doing all the right things.
37:19
I believe that you're calling, but getting back to that
37:22
challenge, you know, you're a great race car driver.
37:25
Now, you want to do like your dad and I agree with you.
37:29
It what we do? That's cheating.
37:31
Oh I hit a ball so give me 22 million dollars a year.
37:36
So go back into your business decisions right now.
37:41
Where are you with that business development?
37:43
Well it happened, we are in the the very edge of.
37:47
It's all about the rezoning process right now, which I've
37:50
learned a lot about and be able Commissioners at all stuff,
37:53
okay? It's been fun for me, right?
37:55
Been a race car driver home, taking the trash out.
38:12
And with the decisions at least I'm where we're going with
38:14
things and so, yeah, it's we're not doing I think the article
38:19
said, is like this 250 million dollar project.
38:22
Listen, I'm selling the way, I'm rezoning.
38:24
The last I'm selling the land, we may build a couple buildings
38:27
with that but there's some, some apartments along with some
38:32
retail space, possible restaurants and and some other
38:36
things will probably move the studio on a part of the parcel
38:40
as well. So, Just kind of building a
38:42
little complex here. So should be cool.
38:45
So I want to talk about Roger Penske, but I do want to let
38:50
everybody know that I came down there because I was invited to
38:54
race in the SRX series. I'm going to race, August 17th,
38:58
Lucas Oil Speedway at week the Missouri.
39:01
Now with me laying that out, I was at your studio because SRX
39:05
used your studio. I was I was like my God, this
39:10
Joey logano's. We're literally in his studio
39:13
and Joe, he's renting it to SRX to use.
39:17
That's another peek inside your mind.
39:20
So tell me about that building because it's on the corner of a
39:24
very popular Street. Tell me about that building,
39:27
you're in right now, the studio, that's where I am right now.
39:30
So this week who built this building as a toy box so that
39:35
was what are your toys in? I like old cars.
39:41
I had a little collection and and then the back part of the
39:44
shop boat, I was building up slits those like to the bobsled
39:48
part and then there was a kind of my toy box and then so it's
39:52
kind of doing this, you know racing thing and I'm doing all
39:55
these photo shoots and I'm going to the different places and of
39:59
my these places aren't that. Nice.
40:01
And I started looking around and I'm like all I got is like a
40:04
psych wall and some lights like Should I have this?
40:08
So it's good. That's not a few bucks.
40:11
I'll put this the psyche wall up, right?
40:13
It's just kind of a rounded edges on the bottom, right?
40:15
Just kind of all it is and some lights.
40:17
All right, whatever else I need. And I'll do my shoots at my
40:20
building with, you know, with my sponsors and the relationship
40:24
could be better. And and I can bring these people
40:27
that are spending millions of dollars on a race car to a
40:29
place. That's beautiful.
40:30
Yeah, at least you can bring your sponsors to your place.
40:33
So you got a reason, this is the unfair advantage that I have.
40:37
I had the business before I had before, I had the business, but
40:41
I had the customer before I had to business.
40:44
And so I'm like, well, why wouldn't I do it?
40:47
I'm not gonna lose. I can't fail here because I
40:49
already have the business, not your, you got your people, I'm
40:52
good. So solid, I got the building,
40:56
but you're, but you're smart enough to recognize that you
40:59
it's a pattern, right? And so we kind of started
41:02
working on that and like, okay, now let's that's really your
41:06
garden. Well, and then we open it up to
41:08
more, you know, stuff. And then obviously, I'm very
41:11
interwove in into the NASCAR industry.
41:13
So we did a lot of doing a lot of NASCAR shoots and that kind
41:16
of steps out to doing other things, right?
41:18
Lowe's is local. Here, we do a lot of shoots for
41:21
them and it's kind of keep going and it's like, well, I need a
41:24
production team right now. I just renting a building.
41:27
I want to go to Next Level. So we just merged with the
41:29
production team that we've used a lot.
41:31
And so now we're kind of all, you know, inclusive can do
41:34
everything, you know, from the beginning.
41:37
The end of a shoot. So it's been a fun ride learning
41:40
about that stuff is well, Elsa. But that's gonna saying that the
41:44
opportunity sit there in front of me.
41:45
It was advantage of it, how do you not do it?
41:48
So it kind of grows its own legs and, and goes a long and, you
41:53
know, I probably could have grown it a lot quicker.
41:57
If I had more time and wanted to, but I kind means
41:59
circumstances learn and it kind of eventually came along so
42:04
well, We've already been talking for 43 minutes and, but if it's
42:09
been really good, I want to talk about the great, Roger Penske,
42:13
your car owner. So, you know, when I was younger
42:18
and I said my brother Rusty, it was kind of a bad thing because,
42:22
oh, your brother or, you know what your dad.
42:26
But listen, we all got to have somebody Rusty tells me.
42:31
He says Herman I like the pattern myself after Roger
42:34
Penske and he just flat says it. And I know that's one of the
42:38
reasons. Rusty has nine dealerships and
42:41
you know, it was Roger that taught Rusty as far as
42:44
dealerships go. You got to think big Rusty tells
42:49
me a lot. So I spilled my guts first just
42:53
now to you, because Roger Penske, do you ever reach out to
42:58
him? I know it's all about
42:59
competition right now. I Stand that but you cannot
43:02
ignore the Roger penske's. One of the greatest businessman
43:07
in the world. Not the United States.
43:10
Do you have do you ever say, hey, Roger if you ever said
43:13
anything about business, we've talked about it obviously and
43:19
for a lot of reasons. Yeah, I want to learn educate
43:21
myself but I also want to be educated on what he's doing so I
43:27
can help do my job better for him.
43:31
The best way to I think learn is the watch and learn.
43:38
By example, me to think you're worried about business, you want
43:41
him to know, you're gonna be in a race car driver.
43:44
That's my number one thing and it is.
43:48
But it's not just that with him. Like I watched about how he
43:53
handles people, how he handles situations like the guy has
43:59
grown a, an incredible. Business the old-fashioned way.
44:03
Right now, what he does he didn't come up with the new
44:07
social media platform. He didn't come up with the
44:10
something that's never been done before.
44:12
No shortcuts, no shortcuts. He's done it old school slow
44:18
growth. We call it slow growth.
44:20
It's obvious, pretty accelerated, but, but he's never
44:23
seen a couple billion dollars. Yeah.
44:25
Is there a stop growing? But he didn't like hit it out of
44:29
nowhere and came. Something and all of a sudden
44:32
now he's got a couple of bees, right?
44:33
Like that's how it works for him.
44:35
Dealerships PTL, right? And then all the other things
44:40
like he just kind of realized that I am.
44:42
I'm buying a lot of this. Well, I loan Product Company
44:45
from buying a lot of it, and then he's got some great people
44:48
around him. It's all in her woven into
44:50
racing and Motorsports, which is this true passion, and it's
44:55
really interesting to see it all come down.
44:58
But the one thing I noticed about Roger that Oddly stands
45:01
out. Is his memory is incredible.
45:04
Hmm, he's got a, the most incredible memory of of not just
45:09
things that have happened to him, but the people he meets
45:13
this guy, would I've been with them and seen it.
45:17
Do it. He'll walk into a dealership and
45:21
know the sales person. Just to just one of the
45:23
salespeople, one of their 8086 dealership, one of a 70,000
45:28
employees. Oh, my gosh.
45:30
No surname. He'll go into the repair shop
45:35
and he'll go. Hey Jake!
45:37
What's happening? How you been like and I flew up
45:40
with him and I'm thinking he must have been studying all
45:42
these veins or something and know the stuff.
45:43
Nope, he meets somebody one time and he knows their name and I've
45:48
heard this from so many people that work for been there.
45:50
Like, I don't know how he does it.
45:52
He's got something special that allows him to do that.
45:56
And When he takes that Personal Touch to the way he does, things
46:04
are such a professional level on top of it.
46:07
It's Untouchable. That's, that's what makes them
46:09
so great. That's what I've seen.
46:10
That makes them stand out. So much is that he expects
46:13
excellence and does so many things yet, he can somehow keep
46:19
it all in lined in his brain. I don't know how he does it and
46:22
we all know that story. Around your age.
46:26
You're 32 years old right now, around your age.
46:29
He decides to quit being a race car driver, Roger Penske, quits
46:33
being a race car driver because his business is doing so good,
46:36
and then he hires Mark Donohue and all these great race car.
46:40
Drivers to me, it's unbelievable.
46:42
Listening to you, talk like this and Joey, look how great you
46:47
are. Let me brag on you.
46:49
You're you're 32 years old and you've already done it all now,
46:54
you're young. So, You want to keep doing it
46:55
all but I put things into perspective, you're his age when
47:00
he started doing business and you've already done it all
47:04
buddy. You got it going on right now.
47:06
That's that's pretty incredible because I know his history.
47:10
Obviously, there's Rusty, drove for him forever.
47:15
It can all end tomorrow though. Yes, yeah, this is like that.
47:20
I can wreck on the way home today.
47:21
You can be so that leads to this the new wave in.
47:28
NASCAR is drivers statistically like Tony Stewart like Jeff
47:34
Gordon like Bobby, the Bonnie, Jeff Burton everybody, whether
47:39
they had a choice or not whether it was an injury or not. 42
47:43
years old, we're Harvick 45. I'm not saying, I don't want a
47:52
number, but do you think everybody used to retire at 50?
47:57
Do you think 40-ish is the new number?
48:02
It seems like it, you're making more money, it's easier to
48:07
squabble it away. Maybe tired of it too much.
48:14
I don't know what it. I don't know.
48:16
What it'll be probably balance as much as anything.
48:21
It's not important. I just wanted a conversation
48:23
about, you know, it's not on my radar yet.
48:29
But, and in five years, maybe I have a different perspective,
48:31
right? Your kids, get older, and you're
48:33
starting to miss things, right, baby pretentious, I don't know
48:38
right now, it doesn't right now, I like going.
48:40
Racing. I want my to see me race.
48:43
I want my kids to see me work, right?
48:44
That's a the number one thing I learned from my dad is.
48:47
I watched him work. I watched him.
48:49
Come home with grease on his pants every day.
48:51
I watched him, go out there and climb under trucks.
48:54
He ran everywhere. I don't know why he never walks,
48:57
he runs that must be would tell us the run run get that night
49:00
run. Right.
49:01
Right. And that's like that's what like
49:03
that's what I saw my own laundry but I want
49:45
there is nothing wrong with the sense of urgency because there
49:49
is a great quote out there very philosophical quote that the
49:53
biggest mistake wanting was Kobe.
49:55
Bryant the biggest mistake we can make us thinking we have
49:59
time. Hmm.
50:01
Yes, but it's not heavy. It's just maybe your dad ran
50:04
everywhere because he felt a sense of urgency.
50:06
And when I work for Rusty, we're in a little shop.
50:10
I mean, it's 10:00 at night. Go get me.
50:13
A 9/16 wrench and I'd walk or run.
50:16
It's like why? Yeah, I think we both come from
50:24
families. That have a lot of energy.
50:26
Yeah, we don't sleep much. It's like, go keep going.
50:30
Joey, there was 51 minutes. And now we come to the end of
50:34
the show where we ask every single great race car driver.
50:38
You know, I don't I don't expect you to know that Kenny
50:42
conversation started out with Tony Stewart Mark Martin Bobby
50:46
Labonte, Kevin Harvick the greats.
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Hmm and we end the show like this.
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It's very respectful but at one point or another fans want your
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opinion. So we will not get you in
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trouble because I don't let any driver get drawable.
51:02
That's what Kenny conversation is not about that, but we got to
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talk about NASCAR and it's three questions.
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The first one is your thoughts on, NASCAR today?
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What is your thoughts? My thoughts.
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Are I like that? We are trying new things that we
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are going to new places new venues.
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We saw it in st. Louis, where you are now?
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Where we just were huge success? We saw it l.a.
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Coliseum things. We never thought we would do
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huge success. Road America was a big success.
51:40
Going to new tracks. New venues going to tracks.
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One time I think is where we need.
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Need to be and making every race and event in.
51:50
I don't think as many tracks of did it better than st.
51:52
Louis. This weekend but they do a great
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job. So I think as far as a sport
51:58
going to different places, we are doing great.
52:01
I like that. Okay.
52:02
So the next one is the next gen car.
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This, this new car. Now, I want to make you feel
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comfortable. Let you know that All the other
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great drivers, all the other Champions before you, they have
52:15
told me their real opinion, the next-gen car.
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What are your thoughts on this new style race car that is now
52:25
in NASCAR? It's different.
52:32
That was funny too. It's like there's pros and cons
52:38
to it like everything else but it is changed the way we've
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raced it changes the way we set up a car, it changes the way we
52:48
practice the car or what we can and can't do right during
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practices. It changes the way we evolved.
52:56
A race car from building parts and now we buy parts.
53:03
That's changed everything. Some of it, good, right?
53:08
Some of it in a good way if because it's brought new
53:12
ownership into the sport new interest into the sport is also
53:18
the old-school part of me that really loved practice and really
53:21
loved like the the creativity that of building a new car and
53:28
coming up with new crazy things that are way outside cannot gain
53:31
an edge, is what this car you cannot gain an edge.
53:34
Can't I missed that? Art.
53:36
But at the same time, I'm not getting beat by much these days
53:40
either, right? Like, it's really there.
53:42
It's like, it's the decisions you make on the car and
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decisions, you make behind the wheel.
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That's it. No one's got a better part than
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me, right? Like maybe maybe a manufacturer
53:55
may be ahead of one or the other, you know, here and there.
53:58
But we have the same chassis. We have same Springs that we can
54:01
all buy. We got like all the same parts
54:03
and pieces we can all be part. Part of right engines and arrow
54:07
or some of the pieces. We can't really touch on a whole
54:10
bunch. It can't affect, but everything
54:12
else we can. So the way you call the race,
54:14
the way you set up a car and you work up your workout, your team
54:19
and pick stops and all that stuff matters, so much more now.
54:24
So it's just change the way we raced part of.
54:27
He misses the old school way part of me really loves the new
54:30
way and just what it is. So I think it's This is
54:36
different. So we know that the last
54:40
question here conversation, we know that this next gen car, the
54:47
competition is so tight. Now that it makes the drivers
54:51
drive hard get loose, slam up into each other fist, fights are
54:55
breaking out in the meanwhile, the TV ratings are going up, the
54:59
interest in our sport is going up.
55:01
So, with that being said, the last question conversation Fines
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and penalties. What are your thoughts on the
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unbelievable quarter of a million dollar?
55:15
Fines and Driver suspensions. Chase Elliott.
55:18
You cannot race this week. What are your thoughts of this
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unprecedented penalties and fines?
55:26
Has to happen, has happened. It has to happen.
55:31
We need somebody to protect us from ourselves.
55:36
Is somebody to officiate the sport.
55:39
It has to happen. You can't let the prisoners run
55:42
the prison. Hey, you're right.
55:46
If you let us all have at it, right from building a racecar,
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we're all going to keep pushing the limits it because it's
55:54
competition, and we're going to keep going and going on here.
55:56
Yard. Somebody's got a rain is back in
55:58
and there has to be a penalty. Big enough to bait.
56:01
You say, don't do that. Like that's, that's a that's a
56:05
year Ender, right? Like you can't afford to do
56:08
that. I feel like Nascar has done a
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pretty good job at that. The other piece that needs to
56:13
happen, is there needs to be consistency.
56:15
You can't have a penalty one week and that the next week and
56:18
then the next week you do in the next week.
56:19
You don't like if it's wrong and you penalize somebody the next
56:23
time it happens. You have to do it again.
56:26
Yeah. Active.
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And they've seen the done a pretty good job at that.
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I don't know if any officiating of any sport.
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Bats, a thousand at this one, very like, whether it's
56:38
football, baseball, they're gonna miss a call every now and
56:41
again, right? And that's, there's probably no
56:44
different that you get a missed call every now and again, right
56:47
restart might not look just as good as it needs to, and
56:50
somebody might get away with one or Pit Stop, write.
56:53
Something might been an uncontrolled tire and they got
56:55
away with it. They didn't write like there's
56:58
going to be some balls and strike calls there.
57:01
But when there's blatantly obvious things that all of us,
57:05
see, and know you better make a call and it better be the same
57:09
as the last time you did it. And so I think NASCAR's done
57:13
that and it has to continue the have to do that.
57:18
I do think you're racing is getting harder and harder
57:20
because all the cars are going the same speed.
57:22
They're all the same and so you can't afford to let somebody go.
57:26
Be more like we used to and expect to get that back Camp.
57:30
Okay give me a racist. Yeah, and if I let somebody go,
57:37
I'm probably not going to pass them back later like and and
57:40
this possible is very possible that hey I may not have the
57:43
fastest car today, but if I get Emily, they're not passing me,
57:46
you know. So I can't give up a spot and
57:49
then the guy trying to pass and gets pissed off because he can't
57:51
get around me, and then you're mad because he got hit you, like
57:55
it's just the whole thing. It just it's it's something
57:58
that's what it is. You really bring up a good
58:01
point. You got my mind wandering
58:03
because years ago, Harry Gant would say, you know, you're back
58:07
there for 10th or 12th and Harry would say, boy we're not racing
58:11
each other, we're racing that leader, let me go or holding
58:14
each other up and and nowadays with the stage racing you're
58:19
rewarded points for a top 10. So yeah I think we'll go
58:25
everybody. Erase them all.
58:28
Yeah, Joey you were absolutely incredible and I'm going to tell
58:32
you when I feel strongly, I tell people the way I feel.
58:37
I-i've been trying to get you on the show for a month and a half
58:41
because I know, I know this is gonna sound weird, but I really
58:47
relate with you because we're not conflicted you and I are not
58:51
conflicted but you did not disappoint me because We are
58:55
cheating in life. You mean to tell me, I'm going
58:58
to get paid to drive a racecar. Yeah, I got my first paycheck
59:02
when I was gosh. I was, I don't know,
59:05
20-something years old being a, I was a crew chief and two cups
59:09
yours, but Joe you've been wonderful.
59:12
You made me better. I want to thank you and
59:14
everybody for deciding to do the Kenny conversation.
59:18
You're a good man. Well, thank you Kenny and I
59:21
appreciate that. You keep giving back to our
59:24
sport. Because if it wasn't for, this
59:27
isn't an old man joke by the like, but if it wasn't for the
59:31
previous generation, still caring about sport, there is no
59:35
next gen of any. And right, not not just next-gen
59:39
card. Next gen, NASCAR, next gen,
59:41
Motorsports of any kind because people like you that have stuck
59:48
around in a sport and then just take and leave so many do that.
59:52
But you, you were involved. The sport as a driver and now
59:57
you're still involved at the sport whether it's from this and
1:00:00
still talking to our fans and helping them transition to the
1:00:04
next generation of racers. That is what continues, a sport
1:00:09
and continues it to grow for next month.
1:00:11
So for people like you is the reason why I'm here and so thank
1:00:15
you for that and hopefully I can be that person for the next
1:00:17
generation and and touche brother.
1:00:19
I like it when you and Kevin Harvick get up into TV booth on
1:00:22
Saturday. So okay, that's Sit, I want to
1:00:26
thank you so much. Remember everybody, we love to
1:00:29
remind you that we're in podcast form.
1:00:31
This was a long conversation, you can start it.
1:00:34
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1:00:37
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1:00:43
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1:00:47
winners, and we'll see you all next time.