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UK Column News Podcast 17th May 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday the seventeenth to May twenty twenty four, just after
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one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm your host Mike Robinson joining
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me today. We have Ben Rubin, Debbie Evans and Cheryl Grainger, so
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welcome to the program. All. We've got lots to get through today.
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We're going to get started with the incident with Robert Fiza on Wednesday. This
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was happening just as we were in the middle of extra and we saw some
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of the headlines coming in. It was being discussed in the chat box and
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so on. But I wanted to look at the what's behind this because,
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first of all, bringing on the Interior Minister from Slovakia, he was suggesting
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that Slovakia is on the verge of civil war. The government shot five times.
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The first information we have is it was a politically motivated act. But
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the question in my mind is is it politically motivated in the sense of local
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politics or is there something else going on? Now before we answer that question,
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let's just have a look at some of the mainstream media coverage from the
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UK. So really the message from mainstream media in the UK has been well,
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he was a friend of Russia, so you know, why worry about
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it? So the Telegraph here how Russia Robert Fisu's turned Slovaki into one of
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Russia's only allies. The country's prime minister is reportedly in a life threatening condition
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after assassination attempt. The Financial Times had a similar take on it, but
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they were sort of HARKing back to this article from a month or so ago.
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No, I think this was April twenty twenty four, pro Russia candidate
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Peter Pellegrini elected Slovakia president. So the messages that Slovakia has become a pro
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Russia country. This was The Guardian yesterday. He's borrowing from Trump the rise
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of Robert Fisu. Slovakia is populist leader. So we're getting the message very
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strongly here that he was a Trump like figure and therefore not flavor of the
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month with the West. And indeed, here's Foreign Policy magazine, Russia just
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helped swing a European election. So the presidential election in Slovakia is being blamed
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on Russia. The result of that because the West doesn't like it, and
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therefore Russian disinformation was what it was all about. Slovakia is swamped by disinformation
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ahead of parliamentary elections, said France twenty four back in September last year.
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At the Atlantic Council. In April this year, Slovakia's presidential choice reinforces its
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anti Western leanings. And here is sipa Slovak vote shows need for NATO action
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on Russian disinformation. So the question is what kind of action was taken on
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the issue of Russian disinformation. Well, the famous Ukrainian organization, the Center
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for Conjuring Disinformation, decided to put Robert Fiso on their hitlist. Now the
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hitlist on this website has been taken down now, but it's still available on
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the way back machine if you want to go and have a look at all
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the names that they had on this list. It is effectively a kill list.
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Was a kill list, and it seems well, I'm going to suggest
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that perhaps this isn't all about domestic politics. So looking at the Telegraph here
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from September last year, we won't send another bullet at Kiev, says Slovakia
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is prime minister front runner. So Robert Faiso made it absolutely clear from September
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last year that he was not supporting the Ukrainian war, had no intention of
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supporting the Ukrainian war, and since he's been Prime Minister, he has not
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been supporting the Ukrainian war. But here's political Slovak PM. Since EU NATO
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members weighing sending troops to Ukraine, so he says NATO members weighing sending troops
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to Ukraine. So the fact that France was intending to send or was contemplating
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sending troops to Ukraine for boots on the ground was exposed by Robert Faiso.
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So is it a coincidence then that within a few weeks he's been shot.
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I don't know. I just make the point that, of course Slovakia,
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like most countries, is on the receiving end of the NGO CSO complex.
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So just one example, Open Society Foundation in Slovakia. So therefore you know
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that there is a big attempt from the West to make sure that the Western
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narratives portrayed in the media and in politics in Slovakia. It hasn't gone the
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West's way, and perhaps this is an example of that. So I've got
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to leave that there. I'm just going to end this segment with a short
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piece of video. You may have seen this, but this took place in
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the European Parliament a couple of weeks ago. What I'd like to say is
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that this is my last intervention in the Parliament. I would like to wish
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the whole of Europe, the whole of world, the Russians in the Ukraine
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is I wish everybody peace, And if I may, I would like to
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set free this bird as a symbol of peace, to symbolize that Europe needs
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peace. Let this dove fly about all of Europe. Let's let this deaf
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unite all of us. Let this symbol of peace as realized that what we
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need most is really peace. So Slovakian politicians in the European Parliament at home
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calling for peace, absolutely calling for peace, refusing to arm the Ukrainian conflict,
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the Ukrainian side, and exposing the fact that the West is considering putting
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boots on the ground in Ukraine. So again, I'm just going to say,
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to finish off, I question whether this was a domestic political thing.
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But Ben, I don't really want to hijack you here. But one of
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the things that struck me about this whole thing in the last couple of days
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is the narrative that MPs are therefore not see if this is something that we've
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heard in the UK, but when we and Midland Europe as well, but
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when we look at how many MPs have actually been on the receiving end of
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this activity, it does seem a bit strange that we've got the MP's are
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got to be told, they've got to be scared of their electorates. Do
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you think mp should be scared of their electorates? From a physical standpoint,
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I don't think that we should live in a world where they should fear for
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their safety out on the street. But the idea that they should be immune
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from scrutiny or justice is absurd, and achieving a balance between those two things
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is absolutely crucial. Yes, indeed it is. So now let's move on
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from this then and welcome Debbie to the program. And Debbie, we've been
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a lot of news over the last couple of weeks with respect to ASTROSENEGA and
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therefore connections to Oxford University. What have you got for us on this Yeah,
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good afternoon everybody, and thank you specially to Sam and Kenny. You
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helped me put this segment together because last week we focused in on Dame cap
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Bingham I'm sure you'll remember. Well, today it's the turn of Dame Sarah
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Gilbert. But before I introduce Dame Sarah Gilbert and our good friend Cheryl Granger,
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who's a pharmaceutical training consultant, I want to set the scene, but
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I want to set it quite quickly for you so you can see where we're
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going with this. And if you know somebody that's had an AstraZeneca injection,
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or indeed you have, I think you'll find this section very interesting. So
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let's start off with vaccinology, because vaccinology is the next big thing. If
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you're a doctor, or if you've majored in something like immunology, you can
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become a vaccinologist. And the reason why this is important will become clear in
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a minute because according to the Guardian just recently, we know that astra Zenaga
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has been withdrawn, but they seem to give us the impression that its remarkable
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success must never be forgotten. Really well, it goes on to say that
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it's so remarkable that actually it's saved six point three million lives in twenty twenty
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one alone. Really, I don't know where the evidence for that is now.
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Back in April twenty twenty, Oxford announced a partnership with Astrazenka to upscale
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their recipe. So what you have to bear in mind here is that Oxford
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were cooking up the recipe in their chemical kitchen and then Astrazeneka agreed to upscale
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it took the license on to deliver it to everybody's arms. So just want
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you to if you just slip back to that slide for two seconds, I
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want you just to take note of the bit there where I've said Oxford University
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and its spinout company, Vaxitech. All of that will become clear in a
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minute. So let's have a look at Oxford. Who is responsible? Who
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is Oxford? So the Oxford Vaccine is a team. So we've got Dame
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Sarah Gilbert, Professor Andrew Pollard, Professor Theresa Lamb, doctor Sandy Douglas,
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Professor Catherine Green, and Professor Adrian Hill. Now they've been busy developing vaccines
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for this disease X. So let's go and look at very quickly who this
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Oxford team is. So Professor Adrian Hill Jenna Oxford professor of Vaccinology. Then
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we have Professor Andrew Pollard, he's actually a professor of Science and immunity,
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but with pediatric interests as well. Then doctor Sandy Douglas, he's into large
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scale manufacturing. He was actually responsible for the two billion doses getting them in
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arms, and he's tied up to the Welcome Institute as well. Then we've
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got Theresa Lamb, head of Vaccine Immunology vaccinologist. And then we've got Professor
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Cath Green at the Neffield and Welcome Genetics. And of course let's not forget
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Professor John Bell who's just been awarded a Companion of Honor, who's he was
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the Regis Professor at Oxford. And then finally we have Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert
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who is the lead vaccinologist in Oxford. Now I want to bring your attention
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to a company called Barynthus Biotherapeutics. Now this is a spin off from the
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Jena and Oxford institutes and they deal very much in cancer and infectious diseases.
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Let's have a look at the investors of Barynthus Biotherapeutics. Well, we have
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Cancer Research UK, We've got Oxford. Of course we've got the Ludwig Cancer
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Research. But when we go to look at the team for Barrinthus, we
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can see Sarah Gilbert and Adrian Hill the co founders of this very company.
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So I went to company's house and I looked them up, Barrinthus Biotherapeutics,
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and they were originally VAXITEC. Well, Vaxitech of course were the company we
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just mentioned the spin off from Oxford. So let's go a little bit further
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and have a look at the directors, because we can see that Professor Adrian
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Hill and Dame Sarah Gilbert both both were directors but have resigned. And Dame
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Sarah Gilbert, she's a very important person. She absolutely loved it when she
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had a Barbie doll made of her because this is doing This is to promote
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vaccinology and to try to get youngsters to become vaccinologists. So Dame Sarah Gilbert
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did a lovely lecture, the Richal Dimblebee Lecture, the forty fourth of Richard
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Dimbleby Lecture, December twenty twenty one. Sometimes you know, words come back
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to haunt you. Let's have a listen to what some of the things that
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she said at the lecture. Usually we would not start work on the design
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of a clinical trial until we had completed all the animal trials that way,
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if the animals trials showed the vaccine was not safe or not effective, we
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would not have wasted time preparing clinical trials that could not go ahead. This
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time, we did all the clinical trial preparation while the animal trials were still
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going on. That way, it was within days of receiving the safety data
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from our animal trials that we were putting the first vaccine into the arms of
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our first volunteers. And then she went on to say this, we have
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also not done well in communicating about the safety and benefits of vaccinating pregnant women.
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A year ago, when vaccines were first being rolled out, vaccinating pregnant
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women was not universally recommended. This is the usual approach with new drugs or
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vaccines. We wait for special studies in animals, vaccinating before or just after
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conception, and then waiting for the offspring to be born. Then we do
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a study in pregnant women, and only then is the vaccine recommended for use
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in pregnant women. Generally, a year on, it is clear not only
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that the COVID vaccine is safe for pregnant women and their babies, but also
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that unvaccinated pregnant women and their babies are at high risk if they become infected
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with COVID. This information has been slow to reach pregnant women and even some
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midwives and vaccination centers, although by April twenty twenty one it was being recommended
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that they be included in the vaccination roll out in the UK. By the
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end of October, only fifteen percent of pregnant women had received two vaccinations.
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In hindsight, pregnant women should perhaps have been identified as a priority group for
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vaccination starting from April. If we had highlighted the benefits rather than only seeking
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to remove concerns about the risks, we could have avoided some very poor outcomes
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for pregnant women and their babies. There were also completely unfounded scare stories that
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vaccines would affect fertility. To be clear, data from vaccine trials and fertility
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clinics has demonstrated that there is no basis in factually claim, but communicating this
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to people who do not receive that information from mainstream media is a problem.
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We have not yet sold perhaps mainstream media was the problem. And before I
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bring Cheryl in to comment on what she's just said, I just want to
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highlight that these three Dames, Dame Professor Sarah Gilbert made the Astra Zeneca solution.
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Dame Kate Bingham, she distributed it, she procured it, and Dame
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June Rain approved it. And on that note, I'm really very grateful to
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Cheryl, who's got a lot more information on what Dame Sarah Gilbert just said.
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Cheryl, welcome to UK Colin. Thank you so much, and go
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right ahead. The floor is yours. Thanks Debbie, Hello everybody. Yes,
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two snippets, sorry, three snippets. A video that I just want
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to comment on. Kate Ingham provided the means to fund global clinical trials.
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And what you've got to think about is what was known at that time during
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twenty twenty so the infection fatality rate was zero point ninety six percent, it
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was listed in Hansard and an average age of death was eighty two point five.
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The virus had been downgraded from a highly infectious disease by the nineteenth of
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March before we went into lockdown. And basically, this virus was behaving very
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differently to any other virus that have ever been known, because, for example,
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in the States, behaved differently in bordering states. So there are lots
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of things that we knew about but in the meantime, fear was being raised
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to demand a rush to vaccine development, and obviously generator demand and the lies
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were being pushed that this vaccine was the only thing that could help in the
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pandemic. So we were all generating a demand that we needed this vaccine,
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so we got a venture capitalist to provide funds. They weren't concerned about whether
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it's a safe and effective treatment. The vaccinologist with a narrow vision of producing
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a vaccine at all costs, but they wanted to be the successful vaccine and
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they wanted to be the first. And that was the bit about the speed.
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We needed this as soon as possible. And then obviously the clinical trials
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they usually follow an application to the MHRA and then they're reviewed by medical,
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scientific and ethical experts, and then they follow the declaration of Helsinki which shows
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that participants well being should take precedence, so scientific knowledge. So all that
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is a background to what she's been saying. And this rush, rush,
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rush bit from animal trials being held concurrently with the clinical trials is something that's
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never been done before. So the reason being it takes about billion pound to
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develop a drug. Obviously they have to get the funding for that, and
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if they do an animal study and they find out that it's not successful,
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then that can stop anything being developed further. But in this case they had
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the funding and there was no liability, and they did the animal trials,
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and the clinical trials were being run at the same time. And on top
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of that, they were manufacturing. They were manufacturing at the same time as
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they were doing all this, so and the MHRA of course was doing a
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rolling review of the data as it came in. They were reviewing it.
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So nothing was done in a way that had been done before. So the
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animal trials should be a bridge between the laboratory work and the patient it's under
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strict legislative control and it should give you confidence that you're not putting your people
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at risk that are going to be in the clinical trial, and it operates
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under this good laboratory framework that they should have been adhering to. So let's
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look at what happened in the animal trials. So Vanessa Kruger Dr. Vanessa
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Kruger Schmidt had analyzed very good analysis of the European medical agencies what's called open
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assessment reports from the twenty ninth of January twenty twenty one. So this is
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evidence from Astrozeneka that she looked at and in particular on the animal trial data.
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She basically said they'd looked at mice, ferris reesus, monkeys, and
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picks and the conclusions were that there was none or only a very slight protected
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effects scene from the vaccination. Immunological responses, antibodies and cytokine release. They
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basically were not present or there were only partial differences. The T cell response
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after vaccination was limited or absent. Studies basically showed that there was no protective
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effect against this, which is the basis of the license a Z vaccine was
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supposed to protect against the infection. Sorry, Debbie, I just want to
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round up very quickly, Cherld, because I know we're going to be talking
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about more of this, in particular the pregnancy data as well in extra.
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But in your opinion, was Dame Sarah Gilbert lying, She's lied all the
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way through because she covered up the fact that the animal data showed that it
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wasn't effective and why would you go any further with it? And then when
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we get onto the pregnancy comments that she made, she didn't have the evidence
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to back up what she was saying unless she was aware of the yellow Card
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vaccine monitor, because that showed that there were problems. There were a lot
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of side effects that were being witnessed by the thirteen hundred and odd pregnant women
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that were in the trial. So she wasn't being truthful when she was actually
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making those comments. And that was at the end of December twenty twenty one.
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We knew by the February that they'd already been two hundred and five deaths
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with Ushersenica. None of that was mentioned. Cheryl, Thank you so much
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for that. Please tune in for extra because there's much more to come on
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this. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank you, Debbie and Cheryl. So
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Cheryl will be joining us an extra So that's going to be great night.
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Ben. Let's come over to you and well we're talking what are we talking
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about, mister Pullman exactly that. Yes, we're going to talk about one
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of the most connected, powerful and influential men on the entire planet, a
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man you've probably never heard of, but who is working day and night behind
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the scenes to radically reshape British society, especially our food system. Who is
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it? It's this fella, Paulus Gerardus Josephus Maria Polman kbe. I'm going
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to call him Paul Polman or maybe even just Polman for the sake of brevity
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in the broadcast. Who is he? If we have a look at his
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LinkedIn profile, he tells us that he was nearly a priest, and now
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I'm going to wager that that was in the Catholic Church. And I'll let
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you interpret what I mean by that. He's an international business leader. If
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we could just click on one, we can see that he spent forty years
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in the food industry, rising to the very top levels. He spent twenty
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seven of those years at at Procter and Gamble, rising to Group President of
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Europe. He then spent three years at Nesle as CFO and president of Americas
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before taking the top job at Unileba, where he spent a decade delivering purpose
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driven change. This guy has really defined the business landscape over the past ten
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or fifteen years. He made a big shout in his Unileba tenure about decoupling
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economic growth from environmental impact, and he's really been at the forefront of driving
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the climate and sustainability narrative. And he now spends his time going around the
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world lecturing humanity on how to live. Let's have a little listen to what
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he has to say. The two biggest challenges that need to be addressed are
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climate change and inequality, and frankly, they're closely related. We see that
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we're at the point where the cost of inaction is actually higher than the cost
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of action, to the point that we're starting to ask ourselves the question,
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what the heck are we doing? And we're sleeping on the wheel although we're
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driving, we're clearly not driving fast enough. We're heading for three and a
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half four degrees and we're sitting here as if nothing happens. We're far behind
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on the global goals as well. Now we might all be fined, but
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there will be a hell of a lot more people dying. There will be
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a heck of a lot more poverty in this world. I don't want to
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be responsible for that. Anytime you know that you're polluting and put carbon in
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the air, that's someone else is going to die. Anytime you know you're
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wasting food, that someone else is going to die. It is our problem.
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We're living on that same planet, and if we don't find way to
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live in harmony with our fellow citizens. It's not going to work. We
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don't need more PhDs. We don't need more people to go to Pluto or
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Mars to find the answer. What we need is human willpower. And the
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simple question to ask ourselves is do we really care? Ladies and gentlemen.
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We belong to the two percent of the world population that has won the lottery
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ticket of life, and that brings us to goal number seventeen of the SDGs,
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a goal that is called partnership. It's a partnership for humanity. It's
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a partnership for the common good. It's a partnership where we put the interest
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of others ahead of our own. In the course of history, that comes
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a time when humanity is called upon to shift to a new level of consciousness.
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It clearly is the moment to do this. You're actually doing something for
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generations to come. You're a real leader. You're a real leader by simply
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bringing humanity back to business. My simple request to you is live a life
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with purpose. Thank you very much. What a rising speech, ben I
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love the music, Yeah, quite, do you know what. I'm actually
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going to jack it all in and buy myself an SDG pin and go and
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hang around with Paul Pullman and do whatever he wants. So I was almost
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in tears there. And that's essentially what he's spending his time doing. Right.
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So, he spent forty years in business, but he's now a vocal
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proponent of the SDGs, and he does that in a formal capacity. Right.
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So this is one of the as I said at the start, one
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of the best connected people on earth. Like, this is a completely crazy
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number of roles that he currently holds. Right. He's got twenty different concurrent
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positions listed on his LinkedIn profile and these are just the ones that he talks
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about publicly. So I'm just going to whip through these very quickly, but
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I'll skim over some of them, but they're really fascinating when you look into
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the totality of this and what he sits at the center of. Right.
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So, he's an author. He has a book called net Positive. This
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is his big thought leadership back. He's also an Advocate emeritus of the SDGs.
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It's a formal position at the UN. He's also Vice chair of the
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UN Global Compact, which describes itself as the world's largest corporate sustainability initiative.
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He's a board member of Systemic, which is a consulting and technology business focused
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on systemic change across all industries. He was also a founding investor in their
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private equity fund. I'm going to talk about them in another show. They're
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fascinating organization. He's also a board member of the Rockefeller Foundation. We can
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click on one. We can see that he is also chair of Oxford Side
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Business School, So that lines up quite neatly with what Debbie and Cheryld were
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just talking about. Oxford is right at the center of a lot of this
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stuff. He is a member of the Director General's Business Advisory Group at the
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World Trade Organization. He is the chair of the Global Advisory Board at One
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Young World, which is a youth charity whose patron is Megan Markel. And
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that is also a partner with My Life, My Say, Who's spoken about
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a lot previously. He can flick on one more. We can see that
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he is the co chair of the Food and Land Use Coalition, a global
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advisor to SMBC Group, which is a big Japanese bank, a member of
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the global Advisory Board of Emmisek, which is a Singapore state owned conglomerate.
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Leader is something called the B Team, which we're going to talk about separately.
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Fascinating group that he's part of. There, he actually helped found it.
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The chair he's a friend of COP twenty six, so it's all about
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climate action, and he is the co founder and chair emeritus or something called
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Imagine, which I'll come back to in a minute. But before I do,
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Mike, I'm going to you found something on me. I'm going to
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throw something back at you twenty concurrent roles like what do you make of all
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of that? Well, he's clearly a very very special person and a a
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global leader. I mean, it is not possible for anybody to to actually
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take an active role in twenty different rules like that. So these are But
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on the other hand, he's clearly right at the center of a network,
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and so the question is what does that network up to? Yeah, quite
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exactly. I'd imagine he's got an army of helpers running around him the whole
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time. And here we're going to talk about a bunch of the Now I'm
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going to run through a little bit about this organization, Imagine, which was
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the last one on the list, last but not least. So what is
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it? So it's a group of disruptors and change makers. They were sung
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into existence in twenty nineteen at the moment by a collective of space transformers.
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Right, so this day was sung into existence a moment, this kind of
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ceremonial creation of this entity. Now, on Monday, Mark was talking about
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Builderberg and Marie Jose Kravis, who is the wife of I can't remember his
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first named Cravis from KKR, the private equity gurus. She's the chair of
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the Museum in Bobots so she's the co chair of the Builderberg meeting. She's
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the chair of the Museum of Modern mat I think there might well be a
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connection there between this organization, Imagine and the Builderberg meetings, which we'll talk
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about that when they come up again in a couple of weeks. They're also
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very closely linked to the World Economic Forum, especially the Young Global Leader program.
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Right, So this is the core team Imagine. You have Valerie Keller,
28:22
who was a former executive director of Global Markets at e Y, who
28:26
I talked about last week, Yanovski who was a private equity guy, Sylvia
28:32
Weisner who's big in top top level executive recruitment. They were all young global
28:37
leaders, right, So that's nearly half of the team, the Young Global
28:41
Leaders And finally David Aikman, who's the guy in the cowboy hat, who
28:45
actually worked at the World Economic Forum and he ran the Young Global Leaders program
28:51
and the Global Shapers Community and the Technology Pioneer this program and the Schwalb Foundation
28:56
for Social Entrepreneurship at the World Economic Forum. Right, So this organization is
29:00
absolutely in the center of the WEF as well as all the other organizations that
29:04
we've talked about. So what are they up to? So it's all for
29:10
good of course, right. So they did this thing called the Fashion Pact,
29:12
which they launched with Emmanuel Macron, which brought together sixty different organizations from
29:18
across the fashion industry. They also have this thing called the Food Collective,
29:25
which is about convening stakeholders from the food and agriculture to drive dialogue, ambition
29:30
and collective action. Right, And how does that manifest Well, it manifests
29:37
at a national level in this organization which came to my attention a couple of
29:42
weeks ago. It's been going through about two years now. It's called the
29:45
Food, Farming and Countryside Commission. But they just sparked into life become much
29:49
more active and started issuing public statements, in particular this thing called the Hope
29:57
Farm Statement, which was hued by Paul Pullman and a group of people from
30:03
across the private and public sectors, civil society, all that kind of thing.
30:07
They say, together, we're calling for the next UK government, as
30:10
a matter of urgent national priority, starting in it's first one hundred days,
30:14
to implement a bold national food and farming strategy for the UK, drawing on
30:18
the wealth of evidence available, including the National Food Strategy, because you'll come
30:21
back to. They have six core recommendations legally binding targets and policy coherence,
30:26
Increase public as well as private sector funding to support farmers, Robust public pecurement
30:32
standards with tighter regulation, multifunctional land use framework, fair and consistent standards,
30:37
and then also importantly measurement and disclosure frameworks for accountabilities. They actually want to
30:42
control what's going on across the whole farming sector. You should go and read
30:47
the statement. It's not particularly long, but it will give you a good
30:49
idea of what these people are up to. One of the signatories and there
30:53
are a bunch of them all listed in the statement. You can go and
30:56
read it yourself. But one of them was Henry Dimbleby, another name which
31:02
has come up again, that came up earlier, so we'll talk about that
31:04
in extra So he was the former UK Food so Are. He actually wrote
31:08
the National Food Strategy. He was in the time saying that the Hope statement
31:14
represents a fundamental quantum shift to step change in the public discourse. He's personally
31:19
financially invested in this space, actually launched a private equity fund to transform the
31:23
global system. And when he wrote the National Food Strategy in twenty twenty one,
31:29
he did that alongside Baine, the global consulting firm, who talked about
31:34
our food sector as a series of interconnected industrial processes and one of the main
31:41
things they were keen to reinforce was the idea that in farming we need consolidation
31:47
so that we have fewer big corporate players who are able to negotiate more effectively
31:52
with the other participants in the industry. Right, so this is all about
31:56
commercialization, corporatization, big big money, all being distributed from the top level
32:04
down by people like foolish Gerardis, Josephus Maria Pullman and the organizations that he
32:09
represents. Thank you, Ben, thank you for that really interesting. Okay,
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34:21
Okay, Debbie, let's come back to you then, And what's the litst
34:25
from the NHS. Oh well, I'm going to whiz round a few stories
34:30
on this segment because there's just so much craziness going on. So yeah,
34:35
let's start off with the NHS. So I'm afraid now only half will we
34:38
say only half of England's care home residents have had the Spring COVID JAB So
34:44
they're saying over one hundred and fifty five thousand have received the potentially life saving
34:50
I would question that. So yes, spring boosters and a rise of COVID
34:58
in inverted commas. Now have you been getting text messages? Are you fed
35:01
up with getting text messages? Well, if you've got the NHS app,
35:06
which I hope you haven't, but if you've got the NHS app, you're
35:07
now going to get texts on your NHS App and it's going to save the
35:12
NHS one point one million. We've already got thirty four million registered users.
35:16
If you've got the NHS app, I strongly suggest you remove it. So
35:22
going on to something completely different now, Tavvy's what's a tavvy. Well,
35:25
a tavy is a trans catheter, aaltic valve implantation. It's to replace a
35:31
valve, or to knock a valve to one side, to replace it with
35:37
a new valve. In the heart. It's a very risky procedure and needs
35:40
to be carried out by very experienced cardiac surgeon, which is why when it
35:45
was carried out by an advanced nurse practitioner, people were shocked. In the
35:51
next slide, In this slide you can see there he is. That's John
35:53
Steele. He was the nurse that was performing this tavvy and I'm afraid it
36:00
got the thumbs down from pretty much everybody. You can see there that it
36:05
was deemed unsafe. But what's going on today? Because that was back in
36:08
twenty twenty three, But today I was alarmed to see a report from the
36:14
BBC Non surgeons are removing gall bladders, Yes, they really are. The
36:22
article from the BBC goes on to say that this has been going on at
36:24
Walsall Manor Hospital and one hundred and seventy five procedures over the last four years
36:30
have been carried out by surgical care practitioners. Well who are surgical care practitioners
36:37
because if anything goes wrong, they're not covered. So the Royal College of
36:42
Surgeons had come out again and in particular at the Royal London Hospital, Professor
36:46
Schaffie Ahmed has said a laparoscopic coly systectomy is a major operation with significant major
36:52
potential complications, including mortality. This is unsafe and dangerous and needs to be
37:00
stopped immediately. So what is a surgical care practitioner. Well, there's a
37:07
lot more to be said about this, but just briefly, a surgical care
37:09
practitioner is a registered non medical healthcare professional. They work as members of the
37:15
surgical team. So my question is who is doing your surgery? Do you
37:21
know? Have you asked? Then we've got the new injection that's coming out,
37:25
this revolutionary quartet nanocage. So this is the new solution that is being
37:31
prepared for viruses in inverted commas that are yet to emerge. This is the
37:37
article in Cytech Daily. If you go on one more slide, you'll see
37:42
that the quartet nanocaccage. And I'm not an expert in these things, but
37:45
it doesn't look good to me. It talks about a ball of proteins and
37:49
antigens being stuck together with a protein superglue. I don't think that's going to
37:54
end well. And then onto a completely different subject. Will go straight on
38:00
to DWP next. I did tell you this was going to be a whizz
38:04
around because there are so many ridiculously crazy stories. So according to Benefit and
38:08
Works, DWP are going to have powers of arrest seizure and they're going to
38:14
be able to collect information because of a public survey which i'll show you in
38:17
a moment. It's proposed that there are trained DWP investigators with arrest powers who
38:23
can search and sees. They can collect information from claimants to see what they're
38:29
spending money on. They can also collect banking information. Banks can share information,
38:35
and government organizations can also share data with the DWP. Here's the survey,
38:42
if you'd like to go and have a look at it, you can
38:45
see it on the DWP website. But Wales Online were actually backing all of
38:50
this up and they were reporting that they're looking at a two five hundred team
38:55
to check universal credit and we're talking about ZWP making arrests and raiding houses and
39:04
it's absolutely shocking. I can't believe that this is going to be happening,
39:07
and they're going to be imposing civil penalties, this new civil penalties, and
39:14
I just want to end this segment. I couldn't not without mentioning the APPG
39:20
Maternity Services statement, which has come out and shown that the maternity services are
39:27
literally it's shocking. Thirteen hundred submissions, including mums that had gone through stillbirth,
39:34
cerebral palsy, paralysis, mistakes being made, failures, lack of compassion,
39:39
mums lying in blood soaked sheets, and women. Basically, the conclusion
39:44
was women were treated as an inconvenience. There's so much more to be said
39:49
on all of these stories, but I just wanted to pack in as much
39:52
as I could as quickly as I could. Thank you, Debbie, thank
39:54
you. Let's move on then to the litist government U turn. Having pushed
40:00
a certain form of sexual education in the UK, the government has decided to
40:07
try to reverse the situation. Perhaps they are trying to reverse their upcoming defeat
40:12
in the general election, but they have pushed this out this morning, the
40:15
New Relationship Sexual Health Education Guidance. What it means for sex education lessons in
40:22
school and here is the secret stive education. Jillian Keagan tweeting about this.
40:29
No more situations where parents are prevented from seeing materials, no more teaching children
40:34
topics way beyond their years, no more teaching the contest and view of gender
40:37
identity. That's what r SAH guidance will ensure and she published an article in
40:44
the sun so she went totally high bright there and Rishie Sunak also pushing this
40:47
out. Under no circumstances should parents be blocked from seeing the content taught in
40:52
their old children's in their own children's lessons. Well, let's just have a
40:57
look at the detail of this. And so this is what they're saying.
41:00
They're going to introduce age limits for the type of material that can be taught
41:04
to children at certain stages. They're saying the concept of gender identity is highly
41:08
contested and should not be taught. Is that the case. We we'll see
41:14
in a second. They say that fact about biological sex and gender reassignment will
41:19
still be taught, Okay, Not quite sure how that works. And they
41:22
say that parents have a legal right to know what their children are being taught.
41:27
Okay. So then they say that they want to in light of this
41:30
new guidance, they want to introduce potentially new RHS topics, and they're asking
41:36
for consultation on this. So they might want to talk about suicide prevention in
41:42
the classes. They might want to talk about sexual harassment and sexual violence.
41:46
They might want to talk about loneliness, the prevalence of deep fix. They
41:52
might want to talk about healthy behaviors during pregnancy as well as miscarriage. They
41:55
might want to talk about illegal online behaviors including drug and knife apply, the
42:00
dangers of vaping, menstrual and gynecological health, including those things that you can
42:07
see on screen at the moment. But with respect to parental rights, then
42:12
this is what they say. Parents are not able to veto curriculum content,
42:15
but they should be able to see what their children are being taught, which
42:19
gives them the opportunity to raise issues or concerns through the school's own processes if
42:23
they want to. And they say that parents still have the right to withdraw
42:28
their child from sex education, but not from the essential content covered in relationships
42:32
education. So there you go. So, whether this is an effort to
42:37
try to regain some popularity again with many many people on the conservative side of
42:42
politics that are perhaps disillusioned with the type of content that's being thrown at their
42:47
children these days, or whether this is an effort to try to limit the
42:52
number of people that are pulling their children out of educate the formal education system
42:55
altogether and home educating instead. I'm not quite clear. I'm fairly clear,
43:00
and they all madder. Byte is that it's pretty cynical because this government has
43:05
been behind the direction of education and the school so the last well since twenty
43:12
ten, I guess. So there we go. No, Ben, let's
43:15
come back to you then. And of course one of our favorite people in
43:20
the world is David Milliband. So what's he been up to. Yeah,
43:25
we had a bit of a treat last week actually over at NESTA, So
43:30
two neo liberal princelings in conversation with each other, David miller Band speaking to
43:37
the NESTA CEO Ravi Guru Murthy Nesta. As we know who owned the Behavioral
43:42
Insights team, the U hate Innovation Lab for Social Good, I think is
43:49
how they describe it. And David Millerband obviously former UK Foreign Secretary, former
43:53
head of the Downy Street Policy Unit under Tony Blair, former Minister for School,
43:58
Secretary of Stateroom, Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, you know,
44:01
a real big hitter of the left wing establishment in this country. But now
44:06
he's the president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee, which is in New
44:09
York based humanitarian non governmental organization formerly described by Martin Edwards on UK column as
44:17
a trojan horse of the globalists. He's basically been paid nearly half a million
44:22
pounds a year by George Soross, amongst others, in order to basically wash
44:25
soros reputation. Miliband described Sorros as having tremendous commitment to the advancement of human
44:31
rights, social justice and democracy around the world. Milliband has been gallivanting,
44:37
so he's based in New York. He's been spending a lot of time in
44:39
Davos, who talked about this recently. He's been seeing at Gold's house where
44:44
they promote the sustainable development goals, and he's also a non exect director at
44:46
Varian, the big global propaganda and behavior change consultancy, amongst other things.
44:53
And it was a fascinating conversation. You can go to the next of YouTube
44:57
channel to watch the whole thing. I'm going to just pulled out a few
44:59
short because it just goes some amazing insight into the New Labor Project in particular,
45:05
and these two people were right at the heart of it, but more
45:07
broadly the inner workings of the British political machine, especially as it relates to
45:14
climate change. For the sea which Milliband and Gury Murphy were intimately involved in
45:17
developing. As we'll find out now. You and I were in government in
45:23
the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in two thousand and seven and
45:29
the Prime Minister reshuffled in two thousand and six, and the Prime Minister said,
45:35
by the end of the summer, I want you to figure out how
45:37
to get the environmental Initiative away from the Tories. And he said that to
45:44
me, not to you. You were a civil servant, so he wouldn't.
45:47
I came and then out of government time, I said, look,
45:52
I've got this commission from the Prime Minister as a secuary Estate for Environment,
45:54
Food and Real Affairs, and we came up with the idea of the Climate
46:00
Change Acts, the Climate Change Committee, Carbon budgets and all the rest of
46:04
it. So the Climate Change Act, the Climate Change Committee, carbon Budgets,
46:09
all of that has basically come out of a conversation that these two had.
46:14
It sounds like an inappropriate conversation as well, by the way, because
46:17
miliband I'm sure you notice there, did a very good job of backtracking about
46:22
how appropriate it was for him as a minister to be asking a civil servant
46:25
to advise him on political policy. Quite interesting, and the systemic impact of
46:31
this has been absolutely huge, right, I mean, look at the way
46:35
that climate is dominating the agenda everywhere. This is the biggest industrial transformation of
46:42
recent history, and it seems like it's an inevitability. Right. So Millivan
46:46
went on to say that in the energy system, the changes won't get rolled
46:51
back. This is a permanent change. Once you've electrified and decarbonized, you
46:54
in a whole different ballgame. On the back off handed by Tony Blair of
47:00
all people, the war criminal to a minister back in two thousand and five,
47:05
two thousand and six, you know we're now dealing with the consequences eighteen
47:07
years down the track. And how is all of this going to be facilitated
47:13
through market manipulation and public private partnerships. As Milliband goes on to describe economic
47:19
necessity, physical necessity means we've got to be obsessive about how well we spend,
47:24
how well public money is spent. We've got to be obsessive about finding
47:30
ways of generating investment that don't come off the balance sheets. So the whole
47:35
for example, the contract for difference, I did you invent that in in
47:40
which the problem was at deck in deck. You know, all sorts of
47:46
instruments like that, quasi public private instruments are going to have to be necessary.
47:54
But we've got to be obsessive about how well we spend and whether we're
47:58
spending to it for activities that are and to generate. I also think this
48:00
idea of the missions for the country mobilizing activity from outside government is really important
48:09
on that. So they're going to cook the books again basically, so the
48:16
contracts for different thing was market manipulation is about subsidizing low carbon energy providers.
48:22
That's been running for a number of years now. And obviously he talked about
48:28
public private partnerships and those went great, didn't they for labor. Let's have
48:32
a little look. Oh no they didn't. It was a fraud. We
48:36
got about three hundred billion pounds worth of bills sent to US for fifty four
48:43
billion pounds worth of services. So basically we did this public private partnership,
48:49
we ended up paying six times over the odds. And rather than backtracking and
48:52
saying this wasn't a good idea, David miller Band and Radi Gurri Murphy are
48:55
actually going to double down and say we're going to do it again. Craziness
49:00
and actually nessra is still right in the stick of public policy relating to pretty
49:04
much everything, in particular the energy market. They just issued this today,
49:07
in fact, I think it was or certainly this week, basically setting out
49:12
what they've the next government should do, and they need to be doing that
49:16
because, as Guru Murthy goes on to point out, the Left have got
49:20
absolutely no ideas about anything at all. It's interesting what I think about when
49:28
you talk about project is one a really interesting diagnosis of how society was changing.
49:35
So I think back to Marxism today and how they defined the country and
49:38
defined the limits of laborism. That was hugely interesting. Secondly, there was
49:44
this sense that you have to think about the ideas and ideology that relate to
49:47
those different constituencies and then align a policy prospectus with that diagnosis and with those
49:54
and without ideology. It was a thicker prospectus and a lot of work have
49:59
been done people outside of government over many years, and it feels like,
50:04
you know, we don't have that right now, and in some ways we
50:08
may end up being in a situation where the next labor government wins without as
50:15
much ideology or as many ideas as perhaps we're around before. I think the
50:20
other interesting feature there is that the ideological debate is richer actually on the right
50:23
of politics now than on the left. And perhaps that's possibly the winning perspectives
50:30
for the Labor Party. They're not riven by these difficult ideological debates where the
50:34
Conservatives are so not having any ideas might be a sound electoral strategy. According
50:42
to Rabig Guru Mercy, that is quite an amazing scene to hear anyway,
50:46
as an aside, and I do recommend you go and watch the whole thing.
50:51
Is really fascinating to listen to those two talk gigs. As an aside,
50:54
after last week's East that I did on e Y, Brian said to
51:00
me, do you think that the big four firms like e Y are working
51:02
with NESTA and are they use are they working to get their ideas into the
51:07
work that they're doing? And I said, I actually don't know. Then
51:09
this popped up about two hours later and Josie Kluer, the EY partner who's
51:15
leading the UK government business at EY and retraining half a million civil servants,
51:20
was at the event. It looks by personal invitation of Rabie Guru Murphy,
51:23
so we can say fairly convincingly that these ideas are absolutely going to be pushed
51:30
through the consulting firms as well as through the political establishment. Yeah, brilliant,
51:35
thank you. Nice Sticking with the whole net zero thing, let's have
51:38
a laugh at Tony Blair Institute for Global Change and their intervention in the UK
51:45
politics here with a new report entitled Reimagining the UK's Net Zero Strategy. So
51:53
it's not that interesting, but we'll have a look at what they're saying.
51:55
First, climate change is a global problem that requires global solution. The UK
52:00
is currently responsible for less than one percent of global emissions. Even if the
52:04
UK is reducing its domestic emissions, there is a significant global emissions challenge that
52:08
needs to be grappled with. So just think about that the next time they're
52:13
telling you to stop eating b for switch you're heating off. But the next
52:17
thing then is let's look at what they're recommending. So enhancing the UK's net
52:23
zero legislation for the delivery fears improving coordination, responness of government delivery. So
52:30
we're not responding quickly enough, creating the conditions for transformative climate research and development.
52:37
They say that reform. They want to see reform of regulatory regimes.
52:40
They want government funding to be used and regulatory parts to be used strategically to
52:45
create and shape the markets for clean technologies. So don't leave the markets to
52:51
do their own thing. We've got to make sure that government is driving the
52:54
markets in a particular direction, and they want to see increasing UK climate leadership
53:00
globally. The way that the mainstream media was portraying this today and yesterday was
53:07
really this was an intervention which might embarrass care Starmer. I don't think so.
53:13
I think this is getting a clue as to the direction care Starmer is
53:15
going to go after the general election. But anyway, we'll keep an eye
53:21
on that now. Moving on then to offcom and the issue of five G.
53:27
A number of weeks ago, I was pointing out that the UK still
53:30
doesn't have any millimeter with five G hardware deployed as yet, that the consultation
53:37
is still going on and there's going to be an auction going on to decide
53:42
who and how much they're going to have to pay for licenses to run this
53:45
type of technology. We've seen it ruled out in the US and in some
53:51
countries in Europe already, but the UK is well behind the curve on this
53:53
one. So a new consultation announced three days ago on proposals to make auction
54:00
regulations for the millimeaser with award. So the process of allocating licenses rolls on,
54:08
and I just wanted to remind everybody that this process is going on.
54:12
If you want to consider, you know, perhaps making your voice heard on
54:16
this issue. Now where does that take us? Yes, speaking of high
54:22
tech, if you remember the Dragonfi directed energy weapon that the Ministry of Defense
54:30
has decided to put on the Royal Naval ships and so on, here's a
54:34
new one, another directed energy weapon. The UK is going to lead the
54:37
world in drone killing tech. We're already urgently producing procuring dragon Fire lasers that
54:45
can cut down drones at the speed of light. And now we've announced the
54:49
UK's radio beam weapon that will bring down swarms for just ten p I mean
54:53
better. What better you know, value for money could that be? Let's
55:00
have a look at the wonderful Jim's cartilage, our Minister for the Defense Procurement
55:05
as he talks about this. So I'm here at Thorney Island where as you
55:09
can see, we have this incredible new capability. It's called radio frequency directed
55:15
energy weapon. We've been developing this partnership between DSTL, DNS and the Army
55:20
and I'm here to see if we can go further as we have done with
55:22
our laser in bringing this eventually into service with the British Army and in my
55:27
view, as soon as possible. I've stressed repeatedly that I want to see
55:30
a much greater role for our brilliant scientists at DSTL. This is our cutting
55:35
edge technology, is how we have competitive advantage against our adversaries. We've got
55:38
such amazing capacity for that in the UK throughout defense, but particularly with our
55:43
scientists, and this is showing how we can actually make a difference bringing capability
55:46
forward for the Army and for all of our armforces. Now, undoubtedly you
55:54
were extremely impressed in the middle of that. As the drum fell out of
55:58
the sky, I'm going to say I don't believe in one second that was
56:01
the device in operation. That was somebody deliberately crashing and drone. But just
56:07
to give an impression of Jim's and how grid he is here he is with
56:10
his joystick in his hand and operating this system if you can believe it.
56:15
I don't now. I just want to very briefly before we finish with Ben,
56:21
I want to very briefly mention the situation in the Southwest with respect to
56:24
Southwest Water, because many people will know that in the Southwest here we've had
56:30
an incident of parasitical poisoning, shall we say, and lots of people with
56:37
severe diarrhea. This is in Brixham, and I believe also in Pinton as
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well. Now the issue here, well, we'll just bring the chief executive
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on screen. There. There she is. She doesn't want to short face,
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so we're only seeing her eyes from behind the graphic there. But unfortunately
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for Southwest Water, they were despicable in the way that they had this because
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people were getting ill and large numbers of people were getting ill with the most
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horrendous diarrhea, and Southwest Water initially denied that they were responsible for this,
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and they said, no, it's not us, GOV. Honest Gov.
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It wasn't us. Continue using water as normal, and they in fact there
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was even talk of people being dehydrated as a result of the diarrhea and so
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they should drink more water. But Southwest Water denied that they were responsible for
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it, and then subsequently a day or two later, were forced to admit
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that it was them after all, and that people should start boiling the water
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and maybe that would be a reasonable thing to do. So we're going to
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be talking about this in a little bit more in extra because frankly, Debbie
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has a few things to say and we're going to let her off the leash
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completely and she will be undoubtedly saying things that the chief executive Southwest Water doesn't
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want to hear. So hopefully you'll join us an extra for that. Let's
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end with truth Tellers. Yeah, a bit of light relief here at the
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end of the show Truth Tellers. We're defending truth, we're seeking it out
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and we're representing it. And we just happened to work at CNN and the
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BBC and bunch of other big media organizations. This event happened last week actually
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in the last couple of days. Again on YouTube. Go and watch it.
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It's fascinating all these big wigs. He just saw there briefly, Christian
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Amanport from CNN, who apparently has a CBE. I think that's quite a
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strikingview. I need to look into that and they run this event every year.
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It's been going for about three years now, the Sir Harry Summit,
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named for Sir Harry Evans, who was one of the giants of post journal
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newspaper editor at the Times, amongst others, and it's just sort a moment
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ago. This event is backed by Reuters, the Ford Foundation, BBC Verify,
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who are really into truth, and our old friends at Tortoise Media who
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also this week announced the partnership with the Open Societies Foundation. So this is
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all about truth, guys, and let's just have a little listen to Christian
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and Guru Murphy talking to Deborah Turner, who is the CEO of BBC News
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and Current Affairs. Deborah, you know what, what of your big method
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if you like to bring you know, or to uphold credibility at the BBC
59:28
has been showing your working the launch of BBC Verify, and you've explained that
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in terms of you know, if we show people what we're doing and how
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we're doing it, then they will believe us more. How's that going and
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is there a danger that it's undermined? And you know, you know what
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all your journalists were doing anyway, you create a Verify units. What are
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the rest of them doing? That's a good question, and I'll start with
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you know, I think that we're talking about truth here. I don't think
1:00:02
it necessarily truth. That's the problem. I mean, truth is there's getting
1:00:06
hard to find and it's being seriously misrepresented. I think it's trust that is
1:00:09
the issue for us, an impartial usualization that strives to deliver fair reporting and
1:00:16
to find The BBC's number one purpose is to pursue the truth with no agenda.
1:00:21
So the truth is very much there, alive and kicking. It's finding
1:00:22
it's difficult, and then it's convincing people that it is the truth. And
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that's where trust comes in, and that's where Verify comes in. Ben correct
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me if I'm wrong. But is that the second time I've heard the name
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Guru Mercy and there were different people if I'm right. That's Christian In,
1:00:39
a former Channel four news anchor for many years, and any his brother.
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Yes, as I discovered actually in the Milliban conversation, because David Milliban was
1:00:51
talking about being terrified at being interviewed and he basically says, well, you
1:00:55
know, my two siblings are news anchors at the BBC. So yeah,
1:01:00
same family. Yes, okay, well we'll talk about that an extra as
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well. I have no doubt, but we're got to leave it there for
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today. So I'm going to say thank you very much to Ben, thank
1:01:09
you to Cheryl and Debbie for joining us today, thank you all for watching.
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of time, but we will see you then. If you're otherwise, we'll
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see it on Monday at one pm as usual. I hope everyone has a
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great weekend. See you then, Bye bye,