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Female cop masterminds deadly hit on HUBBY and her LOVER'S TEEN DAUGHTER! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This is a New York
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  Speaker 1: City police officer tasked with protecting and serving who, according
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  Speaker 1: to the FBI, went out and tried to hire a
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  Speaker 1: hitman in order to kill her estranged husband and the
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  Speaker 1: daughter of her boyfriend. It's not something that you expect
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  Speaker 1: from any police officer at first look. Thirty four year
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  Speaker 1: old Valerie Cincinneti is a role model, a twelve year
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  Speaker 1: decorated veteran of the NYPD and mother of two, but
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  Speaker 1: federal authorities say behind the scenes she was plotting murdered
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  Speaker 1: for the past few months. Her story made headlines last Friday,
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  Speaker 1: the shocking story involving an NYPD officer accused of hiring
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  Speaker 1: a hitman to kill not only her strange husband, but
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend's teenage daughter as well. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: believe it, but apparently it's true. Did a female cop
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  Speaker 1: actually order a hit? I mean, see, Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Dave Matt, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Valerie Cincinnelli is a decorated police officer in New
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  Speaker 1: York City for many years and Apparently she got fed
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  Speaker 1: up with her ex husband over their child, over their son,
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  Speaker 1: and went to her boyfriend, her current boyfriend, and said,
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  Speaker 1: I want to take him out. Go get me a hitman,
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  Speaker 1: and the boyfriend says, yeah, I think I might know
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  Speaker 1: a guy, and that's where it began. But then Cincinneali says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's take out your fourteen year old daughter too. That's
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  Speaker 1: when the boyfriend goes to the cops and says, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a problem with one of your cops. So
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute. She wanted to not only get rid
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  Speaker 1: of her estranged husband, but she wanted to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of her boyfriend's team. Girl. Yeah, she's fourteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently Cincinneli didn't care for her at all. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, longtime colleague and friend, Director the col Research Institute.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why I don't just stop
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  Speaker 1: saying this, But every time I say I think I've
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  Speaker 1: seen it all, then you know, I see something else,
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  Speaker 1: and then I say it again, I think I've seen
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  Speaker 1: it all. You know, we worked in the trenches together,
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  Speaker 1: fighting crime, looking for defendants, looking for evidence. Do you
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  Speaker 1: through the dirt for shell casings the works. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you think, Cheryl and in a cop, a veteran cop
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  Speaker 1: would know better. Yep. Did you actually just say yep,
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  Speaker 1: that's your answer? Not only does she want to kill
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  Speaker 1: her ex husband? And ladies hear me when I say
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  Speaker 1: there is a reason he's an X. Okay, can't you
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  Speaker 1: just leave it at that? He's your ex? Go be happy,
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  Speaker 1: run like young gazelle, get away from him. Why getting
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  Speaker 1: mired down and having a hit put on him? That's
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  Speaker 1: for our shrink, Karen start. But Cheryl, Okay, I'm expecting
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  Speaker 1: a little more than yep from you. Oh no, I
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  Speaker 1: would get into it, and now I get't No, Now
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  Speaker 1: I get no. Okay. I guess that's an improvement. Just
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  Speaker 1: so overwhelming because you're talking about such an iconic police department.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I mean, the world looks to NYPD
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  Speaker 1: for training. And then you've got not only a veteran,
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  Speaker 1: but a decorated veteran who foiled a bank robbery on
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  Speaker 1: her own. I mean, it is baffling to me that
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  Speaker 1: she thought this very elementary plan was going to work.
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  Speaker 1: That you go to the person that is your boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: that you've had a volatile relationship with that you don't
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  Speaker 1: really trust because he's had you arrested. But that's who
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  Speaker 1: you go to to find a hit man. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this wouldn't even be a good made for TV movie.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'd like to see this
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  Speaker 1: a made for TV movie. But first, can we just
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  Speaker 1: get through the trial and again before defense attorneys get
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  Speaker 1: all tuned up? Second verse, same as the first. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's innocent until proven guilty. Maybe I should just start
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  Speaker 1: the program with that. Of course, she's innocent until she's
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  Speaker 1: proven guilty. But what you said about the NYPD, you're
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  Speaker 1: right because we have lived in New York from many
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  Speaker 1: many years since I moved to New York. Star show
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Cochrane, God rest his soul, and the NYPD is great.
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  Speaker 1: They're tough when they need to be when. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: know this is just a tiny snapshot, but whenever the
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  Speaker 1: Twins walk up to an NYPD, they couldn't be nicer.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him be harsh, but you know what, they
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  Speaker 1: needed to be harsh at that moment when they did it.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, every police force has bad apples and they
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  Speaker 1: make everybody else look bad. But I think you're right.
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  Speaker 1: I think they are iconic overall. Cheryl mcallum, Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: get some facts before I get Cheryl mc come all
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  Speaker 1: strung out on what we think happened. Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Lemley. Okay, Lemley,
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning. First of all, why would you
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  Speaker 1: stay with the guy. It's already had you arrested once
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  Speaker 1: I take the patent Turner Patton the street at Turner Corner.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, i'd away gone from him, but she stayed.
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  Speaker 1: Now she's in the pokey deservedly, John Limley, What do
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  Speaker 1: I need to know? Well, that has been an on again,
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  Speaker 1: off again, on again, off again relationship for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should say it one more time. Just okay, good,
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  Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, on again, off again, Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get okay? Good? Go ahead, John Lemley. You know,
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  Speaker 1: as we're sort of setting the scene for this woman,
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  Speaker 1: this decorated police officer. Cheryl McCullum mentioned a story actually
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  Speaker 1: that went viral about this police officer. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: one of Cincinnella's arrests really made headlines when she caught
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  Speaker 1: a man who literally red handed, this time a man
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  Speaker 1: went to a Howard Beach bank and demanded cash. He
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  Speaker 1: left with a bag filled with thirteen hundred dollars and
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, the diepack. Yes, I'm so happy. I
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  Speaker 1: could not be happier. When the bomb exploded, the man
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  Speaker 1: drop the money ran for it. Officers Cincinnati happened to
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  Speaker 1: be in the Howard Beach area at the time. A
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  Speaker 1: minute that was Valerie Cincinnli allegedly ordered a hit man. Yes, totally, Moley,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Okay, hold on Bobby Chicone joining me,
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  Speaker 1: FBI Special Agent Bobby Chicone. I mean, bank robberies are hard,
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  Speaker 1: are hard to break, okay, because usually they're usually they're
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  Speaker 1: very well thought out. You go into a bank, you
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  Speaker 1: got a plan, you know it's armed, you know there's
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  Speaker 1: also it's a surveillance. I've prosecuted a bank robbery before.
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  Speaker 1: Usually the FEDS take it away because it's FDIC insured.
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  Speaker 1: But I managed to have a bank robbery, Sheryl, don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you remember that one. That's what the dyslexic
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  Speaker 1: bank robber. Don't touch the al ram, this is the
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  Speaker 1: robie translation. Don't touch the alarm. This is a robbery.
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  Speaker 1: Needless to say, we did a Yeah, we did a
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  Speaker 1: handwriting comparison and he refersed all of his letters in
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  Speaker 1: the handwriting comparison. That helped Bobby Chikhon. This woman stopped
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  Speaker 1: a bank robber. Die Pack, No, die Pack, And now
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  Speaker 1: this that really doesn't make sense. She's that good and
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  Speaker 1: did something this bad allegedly. Well, you know, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: echo your sentiments about the NYPD. My brother and father
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  Speaker 1: were both retired NYPD detectives. However, you know this particular
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  Speaker 1: officer Walsh, and then you had to go mess it
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  Speaker 1: up and go with the fans m encouragement of my father.
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  Speaker 1: But she, you know, this particular officer also had some
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  Speaker 1: bad behavior in her police record. Also, she had previously
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  Speaker 1: been suspended and her gun taken away and put on
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  Speaker 1: modified duty because wait, wait, wait, wait for what for
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  Speaker 1: what what did she do to get suspended? She was
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  Speaker 1: she was a previous boyfriend of all things, reported that
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  Speaker 1: she was spending time at his house while she was
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  Speaker 1: on duty. And so, um, she's had some disciplinement. It's
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  Speaker 1: with this woman's boyfriend's you know. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: and author of Red Flags on Amazon. Bobby chicon hold
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  Speaker 1: On just a moment, John Linley, just hold that thought.
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  Speaker 1: We women have got to get together on this, Cheryl McCullough,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, Karen Start. Another boyfriend reports her for being
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  Speaker 1: at his house while she's on duty. She probably just
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  Speaker 1: swing by for a Haven't Cheese sandwich? What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick? Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's really a great
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  Speaker 1: point you bring up. Are we to be only judged
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  Speaker 1: by the company we keep? And if so, why are
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  Speaker 1: we so bad at choosing our personal relationships when apparently
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  Speaker 1: we're also good at our jobs professionally. This lady seems
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  Speaker 1: to be one more example of that. You're right there.
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  Speaker 1: There does seem to be a pattern to the problems
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  Speaker 1: that she's having in her life. This will no doubt
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  Speaker 1: make her sympathetic. I know everybody hates to say that
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  Speaker 1: because which you did was awful, but that'll be something
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  Speaker 1: a defense attorney will probably pick up on. This is
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  Speaker 1: something the father's already stating that it's the sun, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's the it's the boyfriend, it's you know, it's somebody
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  Speaker 1: else's fault that god are involved in this. But you
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  Speaker 1: are right, it is curious that there is this steady
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  Speaker 1: string of let's just say problematic relationship. Well wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: You have a very good point there, and a good
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney is gonna latch right on. Listen. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying the woman's innocent, okay, because when you get a
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  Speaker 1: hit man case, they've got you every which way but loose.
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  Speaker 1: They've got sean tape, they've got sean video here, they
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  Speaker 1: stung or with fake murder photos. But you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: a very good point. A defense attorney is gonna latch
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  Speaker 1: on too. Take a listen to CBS Valerie Castro outside
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnelli's dad's house. Listen this guy, because she's involved with
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  Speaker 1: there's a wacko psycho. NYPD officer Valerie Cincinnelli, once praised
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  Speaker 1: for her role in stopping a queen's bank robbery, now
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  Speaker 1: arrested and accused of hatching a plot to hire a hitman.
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  Speaker 1: Neighbors were stunned after FBI agents were seen carrying boxes
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  Speaker 1: of evidence out of her home. I really can't believe
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  Speaker 1: this going this far. It's just I just maybe, like
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  Speaker 1: I said before, I don't want to believe it. Her
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  Speaker 1: intended targets an ex husband and the fifteen year old
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  Speaker 1: daughter of her current boyfriend. According to sources, the price
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  Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars. Investigators say the thirty four year old
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  Speaker 1: enlisted the help of her boyfriend, but he went to
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  Speaker 1: police and became a confidential source. Court documents say in February,
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnelli made a cash withdrawal of seven thousand dollars from
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  Speaker 1: a TV Bank branch in Wanta to pay the hitman.
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  Speaker 1: The confidential source told her the hitman didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: off the child near a school, but Cincinnelli's response, according
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  Speaker 1: to court documents, run her the explet of over crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. As for her ex husband, she
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  Speaker 1: hoped his death could be made to look like a
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  Speaker 1: robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI agents posing as the
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  Speaker 1: hitman sent her text messages which included a photograph of
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  Speaker 1: the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead in his car and
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  Speaker 1: the demand for an additional three thousand dollars to kill
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  Speaker 1: the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told her boyfriend she was
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  Speaker 1: deleting the text messages and pictures to cover up her
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  Speaker 1: involvement in the crime. The allegations are tough to grasp
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  Speaker 1: for the man who lives next door and has met
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  Speaker 1: both Cincinneli's ex husband and her current boyfriend. She's got
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  Speaker 1: two kids, man, and she's a police officer. Will she
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  Speaker 1: really do something like that? I don't know. Cincinneli's father
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  Speaker 1: says his daughter is the real victim of the man
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  Speaker 1: who turned against her. There's no doubt that he manipulated
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  Speaker 1: multiple conversations to come up with his statements. He's very smart,
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  Speaker 1: but he's a pathological liar and there's something wrong with
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  Speaker 1: his brain, investigators say. Cincinnati was also reported discussing what
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  Speaker 1: her alibi would be, saying she would be sure to
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  Speaker 1: be home at the time of the murders. She's being
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  Speaker 1: held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a danger to
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  Speaker 1: the community. Did a decorated NYPD cop try to hire
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  Speaker 1: a hitman to kill her ex husband? And as if
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  Speaker 1: that's not enough, she is now accused of trying to
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  Speaker 1: rub out to murder her boyfriend's daughter, teen girl bottom
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  Speaker 1: line saying, just runner the f over. I'm understanding that prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutors are asking for no bond because they believe
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  Speaker 1: she is that dangerous. If she's released, what about it,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Max, You know they actually mentioned the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she's had a number of problems with past marriages, with
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  Speaker 1: violence in those marriages, emotional issues as well, and having
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  Speaker 1: seen her activities on the police force over the years,
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  Speaker 1: they've got this idea that she's not as balanced as
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  Speaker 1: she is trying to portray herself. That's why they've they've
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  Speaker 1: taken everything away from her. Said, now she's not getting out.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying that the reason they're not giving her bond
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  Speaker 1: is because of her history of past What do you
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  Speaker 1: mean by history of past domestic incidents? There were a
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  Speaker 1: number of incidents on file. She's been married before, and
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  Speaker 1: there were there were arguments that escalated into violence, and
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  Speaker 1: the judge in the case decided that was there was
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  Speaker 1: too much there to allow her to go out, That
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  Speaker 1: she has a history of bad relationships that turned violent.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coal Case Research Institute,
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  Speaker 1: we've certainly seen our sharecases. Way in her background, its
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  Speaker 1: flag after flag after flag after flag. Now you know
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  Speaker 1: what a stream effects in your background. They all had
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  Speaker 1: arrested you and they physically fought with written up every
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  Speaker 1: five minutes. Oh oh no, it's her record, Karen Stark. Psychologists,
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  Speaker 1: you can find her at karen stark dot com. Joining
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  Speaker 1: us today from Manhattan. Karen Stark, it's her record. Look,
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  Speaker 1: you can blame the boyfriends all you want to. You
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  Speaker 1: can blame the ex husband all you want to. She's
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  Speaker 1: the one that took the money out of the bank
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  Speaker 1: to pay the hitman. She's the one that said runner
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  Speaker 1: the f over to the hitman. I'm sure she's on tape.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they got to get everything on tape. She
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  Speaker 1: was part of it. Part part about a psychopath, Mancy,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, you're talking about a psychopath, and when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about somebody like that and Verderer, you cannot persuade
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  Speaker 1: another person to commit those kind of crimes. And you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about somebody who has no feelings. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take a lot to stir somebody up and get them
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  Speaker 1: to decide, you know what my ex is in the way.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'll just kill him. And while i'm at it,
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  Speaker 1: why not kill your daughter? Because you know she's annoying
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  Speaker 1: to me too, And that's people are not real. She
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  Speaker 1: could care less about what she does, you know, Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark is right, it's her. It is Valerie Cincinnelli.
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  Speaker 1: Because aside from each particular man. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: her history, she's got the first incident where she's caught
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  Speaker 1: on duty hanging out at some guy's house. Then she's
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  Speaker 1: been arrested for another incident and with a boyfriend. Now
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  Speaker 1: this incident, I mean, that's three. That's three. I mean
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  Speaker 1: if I showed up late to court one time, I'd
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  Speaker 1: be in trouble as an assistant district attorney. I mean trouble.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't turn away from the fact that
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  Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
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  Speaker 1: She's got three incidents already, Wendy, that's right, So three strikes,
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  Speaker 1: you're out. Now here we are again, and that you're
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  Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, prior bad acts is the legal definition.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't really be called that because they're not bad acts.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're criminals, sometimes they are sometimes say paters make
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  Speaker 1: the predator when we're talking about sex offenses. But in
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  Speaker 1: a pattern like this, you just got to wonder whether
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  Speaker 1: or not at what point is it her own bad
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  Speaker 1: choices that is to blame, rather than being under the
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  Speaker 1: influence of a bad relationship. And one of the issues
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  Speaker 1: in court is going to be how much of these
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  Speaker 1: prior incidents are admissible in order to explain what she did.
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  Speaker 1: Are they relevant enough? Are they similar enough? Maybe not,
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  Speaker 1: But it also cuts against the really giving her a break,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that the jury might otherwise be tempted
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  Speaker 1: to do. Well. This is what we know. Cincinneli was
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  Speaker 1: hired two thousand and seven. She was a domestic violence
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  Speaker 1: officer assigned to the one hundred and six precinct. She
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  Speaker 1: became involved with a local man she met on the job.
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  Speaker 1: She was stripped of her badge and gun in twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventeen after she ended the relationship and the guy rated
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  Speaker 1: her out to internal affairs, claiming she spent time and
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  Speaker 1: as Howard Beach home while on duty. What a coinkie
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  Speaker 1: dink that he reported her after she dumped. So we're
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  Speaker 1: not sure if that's the guy who was described as
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  Speaker 1: an older quote sugar daddy who pay for her car
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  Speaker 1: and other bills, or is that the same one in
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  Speaker 1: this alleged murder for hire plot. What we do know
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  Speaker 1: is her husband, Isaiah Carvalho Junior, sued her for divorce
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  Speaker 1: in Nassau County. They had a trial set for June.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the divorce lawyer is happy the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: was foiled, but I want to get back to the facts.
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  Speaker 1: John Linley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to take a listen to CBS. Valerie Castro as
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  Speaker 1: for her ex husband, she hoped his death could be
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  Speaker 1: made to look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning,
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  Speaker 1: FBI agents posing as the hitman sent her text messages
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  Speaker 1: which included a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing
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  Speaker 1: dead in his car and the demand for an additional
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  Speaker 1: three thousand dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly
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  Speaker 1: told her boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and
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  Speaker 1: pictures to cover up her involved in the crime. The
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  Speaker 1: allegations are tough to grasp for the man who lives
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  Speaker 1: next door and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and
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  Speaker 1: her current boyfriend. She's got two kids, man, and she's
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  Speaker 1: a police officer. Will she really do something like that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Cincinneli's father says his daughter is the
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  Speaker 1: real victim of the man who turned against her. There's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that he manipulated multiple conversations to come up
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  Speaker 1: with his statements. He's very smart, but he's a pathological
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  Speaker 1: liar and there's something wrong with his brain, investigators say.
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  Speaker 1: Cincinneli was also recorded discussing what her alibi would be,
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  Speaker 1: saying she would be sure to be home at the
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  Speaker 1: time of the murders. She's being held without bail. Prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: argued she is a danger to the community. Crime stories
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, investigators say Cincinneli was also recorded discussing
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: what her alibi would be, saying she would be sure
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to be home at the time of the murders. She's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: being held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a danger
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to the community. Whoa we are talking about an NYPD
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: officer's Jennifer Lopez look alike who allegedly hires a hitman
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  Speaker 1: not only to murder her ex her husband seeking a divorce,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: but also to murder her boyfriend's teen daughter who doesn't
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: like her. Straight out to Sharyl mccollins, director of the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, Wow, there's no way around that,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: not at all. And Nancy, you know you and I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: used to discuss all the time. The best predictor of
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: future behavior is past behavior. Two men have gotten restraining
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: orders against this woman. Even if you listen to her dad.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: He talks about the current boyfriend. He says it's alive,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but he said the current boyfriend said she pulled a gun.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even threatened to kill him. This isn't new
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: behavior for her, This violence, you know, plotting and scheming.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything new. I really don't. The jury,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna understand. Oh, you're man husband, you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: won't him murdered. Okay, that's you know whatever. But you
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: throw in that little girl, that's a game changer for anybody.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. I understand that angry
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: text messages to her boyfriend and online searches for quote
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Long Island Lolita and Amy Fisher arose, what's that about?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt You know, it's interesting when you talk about
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the text message dealing with those first, there was actually
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a challenge between Cincinneli and her boyfriend and the hitman,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the supposed hitman, because there was a question about the hitman.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And again, remember this is a guy pretending to be
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the hit man against the FBI, and they don't want
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to take the girl out of the fourteen year old
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to hit, you know, kill her near the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: school and they're trying to get Cincinneli to you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: cop to more on the text, and she says, well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: let's separate the killings by a couple of weeks, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: why don't you just run her over with a car.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And that's where you get the you know, you got
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Cincinnelli talking to the boyfriend and the alleged hit man
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: where she's suggesting to spread out the murders so they're
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: not too close together and hit the girl with the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: car if you have to do you know anything about
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the online search for a Long Island Lowlita and Amy Fisher.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Cincinneli actually did a couple of interesting searches. One was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: about Amy Fisher and she was trying to determine how
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Amy Fisher went and shot Joey Buttafuco's wife. Most of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: us remember that story. It was referred to as the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Long Island leda. Amy Fisher ended up going to prison
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: for several years, but she was searching that and searching
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what happens to her pension in the event that the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: spouse passes away. They had these Google searches on her
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: computer which indicated her thought process about killing people and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: benefiting financially. She was looking up how much money she
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: would make if her husband, he was a cop, passed away.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: What would her pension be? Yeah, she was concerned about
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: what would happen with the pension when the X was dead. Okay,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: straight out to Jason Ocean's New York defense attorney, how
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: do you combat that in court? At? Uh, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the fantasy. I mean, what further acts, Uh, you know
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: happened beyond that? Uh, you know, role play and satisfying
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: her you know, sociopathic thoughts but not acting on them. Um,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you sometimes you struggle to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: find a line as a defense attorney that you could
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: exploit them. As you and I both know, it's up
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to the it's up to the jury to sit through that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: It's not my job to figure out exactly what happened,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: but try to deflect to her a reasonable doubt if
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: there is. But uh, as we see, there's there's more
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: common searches that go on. I don't know what people
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: think that computers aren't accessible bleach bits or anything else
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for that matter. Well, I mean just the other day,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: just the other day, I searched Amy Fisher because I'm
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in the middle of writing a non fiction book, Don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be a victim, And for some reason I looked up
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Amy Fisher. Who is the Long Island Lolita. I'm certainly
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not planning a murder, so Jason. That type of search,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to me could be construed as innocent. But looking up
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: how much money you'd make if your husband is killed
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and you're talking to an alleged hitman, it looks bad.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at Inside Edition. Suspended
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: police officer inspired by the notorious Amy Fisher case when
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: she allegedly tried to have her husband murdered or be
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: acquitted because I did not do this, NYPD officer Valerie
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Cincinnelli allegedly googled the love triangle case that made international
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: news twenty seven years ago. Any Fisher, dubbed the Long
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Island Lolita is the teen who was having an affair
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: with the married body shop owner Joey Buttafuco. She shot
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Buttafuco's wife, Mary Joe, in the face and served seven
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: years in prison. She is now forty four years old.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Authorities say she wanted her a strange husband killed because
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: she was concerned she'd have to share her NYPD pension
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: with him. According to court papers, she googled the Amy
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Fisher case, as well as the phrase if your ex dies,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: do you get your whole pension? Her estranged husband, Isaiah Carvallo,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: spoke to Good Morning America. I didn't want to believe it,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: but apparently it's true. I'll be acquitted because I did
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: not do this. Apparently they actually carried out quite the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: sting because cops senned a local detective to Officer Cincinnelli,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the wife and mother Long Island home, to make a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: fake notification her husband had been found murdered. When they
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: told her that, Cincinnelli bobs breaks down, crying, but hidden
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: devices then record her discussing an alibi immediately after she
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: closes the door. What happened, Dave mc? You know, the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: police were involved from the very beginning because the boyfriend
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: notified them. The FBI staged this killing to make it
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: look like the exciseman actually was dead, and when they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: approached Cincinneli, they read good news, bad news kind of thing,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and they arrested her. And of course she's claiming it
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: was all the boyfriend, that he entrapped her into this.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: As you know, an FBI agent posing as the hitman
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: sends a text showing Carvallo, that's her husband's dead body, okay,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and then response she the wife the cop. Cincinnelli tells
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the informant to delete the text message and the photographs,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and she even writes she's afraid the cops could suppear
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: her phone. I'm getting this from prosecutorial documents. Listen to this.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: According to a criminal complaint, in February, Cincinnelli began plotting
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the murders, allegedly withdrawing seven thousand dollars in cash and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: giving it to her boyfriend, who converted it to gold coins,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the fake hitman's preferred method of payment. There was a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: concern about bunching the two jobs together, and according to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: court records, Cincinnelli said, let's get the girl this weekend.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And so that's when the boyfriend says, I don't know
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: where she's going to be. Cincinnelli says, let's track her
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: on social media. On May thirteenth, Cincinnelli's boyfriend says the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: hitman wants an extra three thousand dollars and that the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: hitman didn't want to carry out the daughter's murder near
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the school, to which Cincinnelli responded, run her the blank over,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: how about that? Then? Just days later, last Friday, authorities
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: break the news to Carvallo. They told me, we don't
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know how to tell you this, but your wife put
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a hit. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you're hearing the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: very latest about an NYPD New York Police Department officer
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: who allegedly hires a hit mancher murder not only her
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: ex husband, but her boyfriend's daughter as well. Joining me
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: an all star panels, Cheryl mccollins, Director Coal Case Research Institute,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, FBI special agent, Karen Stark, psychologist Karen Stark
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: dot com, and John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you something to you, John Limley, We're
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: learning that the boyfriend balked when it came to murdering
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: his own daughter. But it sounds like she, Valerie Cincinneli,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was going forward with the plan anyway. Yeah, that was
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: she was. What's the phrase, hell bent on getting this
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: taken care of? You know, it's sort of ironic. Wait
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a minute, what are you saying getting it taken care of?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: That sounds like you're going to run down to the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: med first and get a shot. We're going to get
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that taken care of. That's sort of the way she will.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I know she may, but not you Limley, for Pete's sake.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Oh heavens no, okay, Mary Poppins, John Limley getting it
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: taken care of. It is hardly a way to describe
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: having the girl effing run over outside of school. Bobby Chicone,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: FBI special Agent. Why did she was she so intent
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: on having the murders occur outside? Well, and this is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: one thing that the jury's going to get chilled at
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is the callousness of her talk. She didn't want, she
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: didn't want her place to get messed up, the callousness
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of you're about to murder your ex husband, the father
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of your child, and your only concerns is that if
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it happens inside, it might be too messy. Just got
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. She officer of Valentintinelli
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: claims she was set up by her boyfriend. True, not true?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Not true? Mine, Good lord, you know does your mind work?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: This lady has been involved in police work for years
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and years and years and you guys had mentioned that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: she's highly decorated. She knows how investigations work. I don't
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: know what in her wildest fantasies she thought that she
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was going to get away with here that she didn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: think that she was going to get caught relative to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the overlapping of these circumstances with this poor little girl
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that she wanted to target in addition to this man,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely amazing. But how can they prove the boyfriend
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: is not setting her up? What evidence shows that? Well?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I think that they're communications, Nancy, She's what does he
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: have to gain with this relative to setting her up,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: if you will, And what's what's the impetus behind the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: whole thing? She is the igniter for this whole thing,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: driving it down range. Plus they had of all of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this other evidence or background of her violent behavior moving
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: forward relative to other relationships that she's been involved in.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: To Dave Matt, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, how
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: can because we know that's where she's going, how can
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors refute her claim her boyfriend set her up? Well,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: she's claiming it because you know he's the one who said, yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I know a guy. Well, as soon as he said
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I know a guy, he'll do it for seven grand,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he goes to the FBI. So that's how they're going
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to refute that is, he immediately went to the FBI said,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: hey man, this girl wants to take out of her
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: ex as well as my daughter. And that's when the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: FBI started setting everything in motion. What's the evidence that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: shows she's the mastermind? The fact that she hent to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend and he took this, you know, the idea
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of finding a guy for her. Then she went and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: got the seven thousand dollars cash out of the bank
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because the boyfriend said that or the hitman, the so
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: called FBI hit man, he wanted gold instead. So they
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: actually have her going and getting seven thousand dollars in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: cash out of the bank and then converting it into
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: gold because that was how we wanted to be paid.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, if BI special agent. Have you noticed that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: when you're in the force, when you're a prosecutor or
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a cop or a bell bondsman, you're in the business
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: for a long time, you're in that maylout. You get
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: used to it, you get numbed to it. Not numb,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I guess numb isn't the right word. You are conditioned
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to it. You're you're not shocked anymore. You accept things
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: more quickly than you did before you were in the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: crime business. And I really think that some cops go
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: bad because it just it just doesn't seem that bad
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to them anymore because they've been around it so much.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It's like this, the first time I ever had to curse,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean every foul word you can think of, the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: C word, the P word, the F word, every word
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you can think of. I was reading a statement to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: a jury. I was telling a jury what the defendant
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: had said, and I had to really work myself up
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to say these words out loud in front of a jury,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and they were shocked, and I was shocked. I could
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: hardly say it. But then the next time I said it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Bobby Chekom wasn't so hard. Then the next time, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: before you knew it, I was just saying it all
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on my own. I wasn't quoting a defendant anymore. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: had to clean up when I had the twins. Of course,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: no more of that. But that's what I'm saying. You're
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: around this, You're around crime all the time, and somehow
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to some people, it doesn't seem so bad anymore. Well,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Nancy. You know, I take my dad
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: as an example. He was a detective in the fifties
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and sixties at the NYPD in the seventies, and yes,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: while he did develop a hardened shell at work when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: he saw all these things, and he couldn't react to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: them as much, he couldn't be emotional at about it,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, at home with his family,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: he became more caring and more kind and more protective
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: because of the things he was seeing at work. And so,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he drew that line, and most of us
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: have drawn that line. With the things we see at work,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the things we see in the street, we don't bring home.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: This officer had no line. It seems like the things
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that she was experienced at work, she thought we were
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: fine to bring home and actually do at home. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I think that in this case the line she just
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: didn't have a line. And I think that many of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: us developed that line where we become more caring and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: more concerned, more protective at home because of the things
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: we see, and the more things we see at work. Well,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor, author of red flags. That's the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: way prosecution worked on me. I became more vigilant, more protective,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: more alert, but I wasn't as shocked. I was still
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: hurt every time I would see a violent crime victim,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't shocked anymore. After you see a thousands
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and thousands, literally tens of thousands of times, you're not
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: shocked anymore. And I'm wondering if that's what happened to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Valoris Cincinnelli. It kind of became okay in her mind. Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, you may not be shocked, but you
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: are still passionate about what you do. I can hear
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it in your voice every time you discuss a segment,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: So too with all my fellow guests. The passion is
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: still there, wanting justice for victims. What we just heard
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: was completely devoid of any of that. The laughing and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in discussing, well, how is it going to happen, the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: date that it would be convenient, Those kinds of things
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: really evinces. I think one of your other guests said,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: almost a callousness that goes above and beyond simply becoming
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: desensitized because you work law enforcement for too many years
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that tape and that voice, that is what's going to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: be most persuasive to a jury. You just can't capture
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that through a transcriptor through somebody else describing what she said.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It is that I suppose lack of passion and concern
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that I think is going to be most telling when
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it's gets in front of a trial too. Karen's Dark
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: New York Psychology just joining us. The judge has just
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: ordered a psychiatric evaluation. Could this be a different strategy
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that she is using and will it work? It won't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: work Nancy, because it's very clear that she knows the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: difference between right and wrong. She actually was the one
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that she was the mastermind. She set this whole thing up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: She was not even upset. She was glad to hear
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that this fake story that her X was dead. She acted,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you know that, as though she was hysterical. She did
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a really good acting job. So she definitely knew what
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: she was doing. And even though it's hard for people
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to believe that anybody who was saying could do something
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like this, that's who this person is. That's exactly who
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: she is. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: story signing off, Goodbye friend,