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Trial Delay in Rachel Morin Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, an
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Speaker 1: update in the trial for the man charged in Mom
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Speaker 1: of five, Rachel Morn's murder. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Rachel Moore,
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Speaker 1: in a beautiful mom of five goes hiking along the
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Speaker 1: Mad Paw Trail. She's been hiking there since she was
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Speaker 1: a little girl. This day was no different, except this
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Speaker 1: day ends in tragedy. This gorgeous mom brutally sex assaulted
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Speaker 1: and bludgeoned dead we believe, with a rock or a
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Speaker 1: tree limb, and left in that condition for other hikers
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Speaker 1: to find then across the country. Amazingly, when the case
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Speaker 1: seemingly goes cold, a DNA match, a DNA match, a
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Speaker 1: home intruder that, even though the home is full of people,
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Speaker 1: goes in and sex assaults a young girl. But even
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Speaker 1: with DNA, we can't find the killer. As it turns out,
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Speaker 1: the killer turns out to be, according to police, an
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Speaker 1: illegal immigrant, a migrant, an ill Salvadorian man, illegally in
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Speaker 1: our country. In the last hours, over the protest of
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Speaker 1: Rachel's family, the trial is delayed nearly a year is
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Speaker 1: just as delayed justice denied. The attack on Rachel Morin
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Speaker 1: was unlike any other I've ever seen, bludgeoning her dead
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Speaker 1: and raping her, leaving her naked body lying out on
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Speaker 1: a public trail.
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Speaker 2: When I woke up, it felt like it felt like
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Speaker 2: a shadow.
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Speaker 3: It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness, like
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Speaker 3: I just knew that there was something that.
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Speaker 2: I think it's just mother's intuition.
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Speaker 3: I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that
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Speaker 3: there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what
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Speaker 3: it was.
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Speaker 4: Just over three weeks ago, on May twentieth, on what
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Speaker 4: should have been Rachel's thirty eighth birthday, and then a
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Speaker 4: poetic coincidence or perhaps in Rachel's own divine assistance, are
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Speaker 4: investigators uncovered a lead that led us to this day,
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Speaker 4: And on this day, I'm here to tell you Rachel's
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Speaker 4: murder is no longer a free man. Hopefully he will
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Speaker 4: never have the opportunity to walk free again.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Rachel's mother telling me the anguish
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Speaker 1: that has been through and describing the moment that she
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Speaker 1: learned her daughter, a mother of five, the so called
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Speaker 1: trail mom, beautiful woman, mother of five found bludgeon dead,
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Speaker 1: left naked and bloody on a trail. And then we
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Speaker 1: hear Sheriff of Harford County, Jeff Galler, speaking out in
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Speaker 1: what an arrest it was busted? Who is he? This
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Speaker 1: guy is a non citizen migrant some people would call
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Speaker 1: an illegal alien, a non citizen migrant on the run
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Speaker 1: from a murder charge in El Salvador. And let me
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Speaker 1: just remind everybody that he is suspected in the rape
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Speaker 1: of a girl in La What was the straw that
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Speaker 1: broke the camel's back for Victor Antonio Martinez here Nandez. Listen.
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Speaker 4: The lead we received was related to DNA evidence and
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Speaker 4: allowed investigators to finally put a name to the image
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Speaker 4: of the suspect in the video from Los Angeles, which
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Speaker 4: we released two weeks after Rachel's death. After we had
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Speaker 4: the video, we knew what he looked like. After we
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Speaker 4: had we knew he looked like, but we didn't know
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Speaker 4: who he was. With the new DNA evidence, now we
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Speaker 4: know who he is, but we still didn't know where
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Speaker 4: he was.
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Speaker 1: And they tracked him. They tracked this guy all around
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Speaker 1: the world because you remember, Rachel mourn Is found brutally
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered and very interestingly, her face totally destroyed, half
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Speaker 1: of her face just beaten in. Of course, I'm just
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, I'm not a shrink, but I know
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Speaker 1: that means something psychologically that this beautiful one, this mom
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Speaker 1: of five, is brutalized, her face destroyed. We now know
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Speaker 1: this is the same guy, according to DNA evidence, that
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Speaker 1: killed a woman in El Salvador and attacked a young
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Speaker 1: girl in La oh. This guy was tracked like hounds
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Speaker 1: from hell. Listen.
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Speaker 4: Over the past two weeks, investigators continued their diligent investigation
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Speaker 4: and tracked our suspect all the way from Prince George's
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Speaker 4: County to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our investigators also obtained an arresta
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Speaker 4: warrant yesterday afternoon, and as the arrest warrant was being issued,
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Speaker 4: we met with Rachel's family, many of whom are with
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Speaker 4: us today, to update them on the case and ask them,
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Speaker 4: and almost asked of them an almost impossible request, and
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Speaker 4: that was to keep the information about the identity and
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Speaker 4: the arrest warrant to themselves and protected to allow investigatators
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to try to apprehend this suspect. Before it
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Speaker 4: was made public in the news, so that our suspect
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Speaker 4: did not have the opportunity to learn that he was
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Speaker 4: wanted and to once again flee.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just living his best life, going about
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Speaker 1: his business. So from what I understand, the sheriff goes
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Speaker 1: to the family Rachel Samant tells them, we think we've
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Speaker 1: got him, but you got to keep it a secret,
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Speaker 1: and then out they go to continue tracking this guy.
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Speaker 1: They think they've got a line on him. Who is
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Speaker 1: this guy, this non citizen migrant. When a murder charge
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Speaker 1: out of El Salvador listened.
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Speaker 4: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before midnight,
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Speaker 4: our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our federal partners,
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Speaker 4: located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez. So far,
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Speaker 4: we have learned that the suspect now pictured on the
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Speaker 4: screens is a twenty twenty three year old citizen of
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Speaker 4: l Salvador who illegally crossed the border into the United
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Speaker 4: States in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Okay, why did he leave El Salvador. There's so much
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Speaker 1: to figure out. Joining me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now, But as
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Speaker 1: we speak, I want to keep our mind and our
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Speaker 1: heart on Rachel Morin. We have been working this case,
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Speaker 1: investigating this case. We knew a lot about this guy,
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Speaker 1: but we just couldn't get our hands on him. Joining me,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com, Alexis Tereschuk. This
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Speaker 1: guy a non citizen migrant, some say illegal alien. It's
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Speaker 1: on the run from El Salvador.
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Speaker 5: Explain so, Nancy, this twenty three year old man is
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Speaker 5: here illegally, which the police officer said, from El Salvador.
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Speaker 5: He has been accused of murder in Al Salvador. He
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Speaker 5: apparently killed another young woman and then fled his country,
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Speaker 5: came to the United States and on a cross country
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Speaker 5: crime spree.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chris mcdonna, director
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Speaker 1: at the Cold Case Foundation, now former homicide detective with
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Speaker 1: over three hundred homicide inquiries under his belt, star of
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Speaker 1: the interview room. That's where I found him during the
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Speaker 1: Coburger investigation. Chris mcdonnaugh, I actually have chills on my
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Speaker 1: whole body. So number one, let's just put it out there.
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Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Bam.
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Speaker 1: Now can we talk reality. This guy has a murder
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Speaker 1: charge of a young woman, don't know her age yet
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Speaker 1: in El Salvador. I got word from a bounty hunter
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Speaker 1: about the facts surrounding that case, but I don't know
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Speaker 1: for sure yet, so I'll keep that under my hat
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Speaker 1: until I know for sure those facts. A woman dad
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Speaker 1: in El Salvador chalked up to him. He goes on
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Speaker 1: the run. Then he goes to La and sex assaults
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Speaker 1: ann year old little girl. There he is Victor Antonio
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Speaker 1: Martinez here Nandez. There, he goes, doesn't even bother and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't run. He walks out and inside he's left
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Speaker 1: behind a wake of pain that will never ever be repaired.
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Speaker 1: There's no telling, Chris McDonough how many other victims this
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Speaker 1: guy has. Okay, your turn hit it.
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Speaker 6: We know for sure now that in El Salvador he
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Speaker 6: had a case and that Inner Pol had a what
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Speaker 6: they call a red notice on him. And what that
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Speaker 6: is is it's a worldwide alert kind of like a
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Speaker 6: bol for this individual that they had in the system.
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Speaker 1: Did you say bol Are you talking about a bolo
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout?
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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, like a be on the lookout and what
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Speaker 6: it is. It's not an international arrest warrant. Basically to
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Speaker 6: notify all countries that participate in INTERPOL that this is
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Speaker 6: one dangerous dude. And LAPD gets that hit on the DNA,
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Speaker 6: they match your name to it, they get this red
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Speaker 6: notice and boom, they're off to the races and they're on.
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Speaker 2: The hunt for this guy.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chris mcdona and everybody on the panel, please
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Speaker 1: jump in. A lot is happening. We're getting information fast
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Speaker 1: and furious. According to detectives, this guy her Nandez was
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Speaker 1: waiting lying in wait there at the mon Pau Trail
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Speaker 1: near Bill Air, Maryland, waiting for a victim. You know
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Speaker 1: what that tells me to Karen Start, renowned psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. You can find her online Karenstart
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Speaker 1: dot com, Karen with a C if you're looking for her, Karen.
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Speaker 1: That tells me, as we discussed when this first happened,
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Speaker 1: this is not his first attack. Now we know that
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Speaker 1: now because of DNA. But what I'm trying to say
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Speaker 1: is that I think there's going to be other attacks.
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Speaker 1: I would be looking in Tulsa, I would be looking
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Speaker 1: everywhere in between La bel Air, Maryland and Tulsa because
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Speaker 1: a guy, a predator like this non citizen migrant from
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Speaker 1: El Salvador, a guy that knows how to lie and wait.
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Speaker 1: And remember we learned Karen Stark that at the time
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Speaker 1: Rachel was attacked and murdered in her whole face, beaten in,
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Speaker 1: bludgeoned them, there was a lot of foliage and you
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Speaker 1: would be going down the man patrail and then it
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Speaker 1: would turn. And he was knew that and was hiding
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Speaker 1: in the foliage just around the turn, waiting for a woman,
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Speaker 1: any woman probably to come around that bend. He wasn't
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Speaker 1: worried about robbing them. He was there to rape and kill.
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Speaker 7: He was Nancy.
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Speaker 8: And this is very carefully planned if you think about it.
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Speaker 8: He left Al Savador and could have just started again
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Speaker 8: and maybe he wouldn't have been caught. But he can't stop.
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Speaker 8: He gets pleasure. It derives pleasure from doing this. It
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Speaker 8: was planned. Although he's pretty indiscriminate because he does a child,
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Speaker 8: her mother. This person in Al Salvador's a young woman
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Speaker 8: and then Rachel, so all ages and he doesn't care
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Speaker 8: as long as he's able to rape and kill. And
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Speaker 8: it's very fortunate that the nine year old to the
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Speaker 8: family came and he wasn't able to kill her. I
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Speaker 8: have no doubt he would have because that's where he
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Speaker 8: gets his pleasure. And by the way, smash the face
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Speaker 8: in because he doesn't want her to see him.
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Speaker 1: Symbolically, a non citizen migrant who has just been busted
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Speaker 1: in the murder and rape of a gorgeous young mother
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Speaker 1: of five. Toro Antonio and Martinez here Nandez, a non
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Speaker 1: citizen migrant running from a murder charging on Salvador. How
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Speaker 1: the hey did he get here and why is he here?
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Speaker 1: He has gone unapprehended after attacking a nine year old
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Speaker 1: girl and her mother in La But guess what He
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Speaker 1: left a hat behind and in that hat was a
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Speaker 1: hare that hairs Mitochondrial DNA matches up to DNA taken
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Speaker 1: from the Rachel mourn rape and murder scene. A huge breakthrough,
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Speaker 1: huge breakthrough and the murder of a marilynd mom Rachel
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Speaker 1: morn As cops finally arrest an illegal migrant seen in
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Speaker 1: eerie doorbell camera footage ten months after Rachel's body was
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Speaker 1: found naked and beaten on remote hiking trail. At the time,
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Speaker 1: we analyzed the evidence, and we believed he had attacked
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Speaker 1: and even killed before we were right.
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Speaker 4: Listen, we all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his
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Speaker 4: first victim. And it's my understanding that this suspect, this monster,
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Speaker 4: fled to the United States illegally after committing the brutal
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Speaker 4: murder of a young woman in El Salvador a month
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Speaker 4: early in January of twenty twenty three. Once in our country,
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Speaker 4: and likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked a
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Speaker 4: nine year old girl and her mother during a home
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Speaker 4: invasion in March of twenty twenty three in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 4: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
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Speaker 4: life for himself or for his family. He came here
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Speaker 4: to escape the crime he committed in El Salvador. He
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Speaker 4: came here and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else,
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Speaker 4: but that should have never been allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we
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Speaker 1: learn a judge grants the request of an Salvadorian migrant
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Speaker 1: now charged in two sex attacks across the country and
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Speaker 1: one brutal murder, granting the request to delay the trial.
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Speaker 1: Now nearly a year as it was announced in court.
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Speaker 1: Rachel's mother, Patty began to cry after she saw Victor
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Speaker 1: Martinez Hernandez enter the courtroom, seeing the man accused of
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Speaker 1: raping and murdering her beautiful girl. But there's so much
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Speaker 1: more to this story, Ms Moran, How did you learn
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Speaker 1: that Rachel's kill or had been caught? Because this was
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Speaker 1: a man hunt like no other, crossing borders all the
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Speaker 1: way to Old Salvador.
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Speaker 2: Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and
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Speaker 2: had set up a meeting in their office to let
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Speaker 2: us know that they had identified the suspect and that
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Speaker 2: they were in the process of trying to locate him.
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Speaker 2: So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.
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Speaker 2: They showed us a picture of him, and then we
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Speaker 2: were expecting that it would still take some time. But miraculously,
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Speaker 2: within hours after they informed us, they were able to
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Speaker 2: locate him and apprehend him.
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Speaker 1: Looking at this guy, he looks like somebody you might
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Speaker 1: pass on the way to the subway or at the
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Speaker 1: grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with the
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Speaker 1: big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother of five,
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Speaker 1: and she walked around the bend of the Ma and
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Speaker 1: Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As you can see,
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Speaker 1: the bend in the trail gives him perfect cover. He's
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Speaker 1: like a hyena waiting at the waterpool, waiting for the
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Speaker 1: beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounce, just waiting.
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Speaker 1: Rachel had no idea what would befall her that day.
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Speaker 1: Tracking this guy, this guy, Victor Antonio Martinez her Nandez,
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Speaker 1: was no easy thing. Listen, if he's come.
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Speaker 6: Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have
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Speaker 6: already had pre incident contact with this guy on other
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Speaker 6: types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.
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Speaker 6: The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day
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Speaker 6: as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw
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Speaker 6: me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been
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Speaker 6: in this country. And now that big question is what
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Speaker 6: was he doing. Was he running dope, you know? Was
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Speaker 6: he working for somebody? And maybe this is what gave
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Speaker 6: him the availability to travel around the United States and
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Speaker 6: how he ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall. Joining us from La Doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I've tried so many cases where the victim was involved
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Speaker 1: in wrongdoing. I've tried a lot of drug cases that
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Speaker 1: turned into homicide cases. But there are those singular cases.
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Speaker 1: There are those cases that strike me where it's such
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Speaker 1: a dichotomy of good versus evil. You have Rachel Moren, young, beautiful, happy,
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Speaker 1: a fantastic mother, and you know how I feel, Bethany,
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Speaker 1: there is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,
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Speaker 1: you know what, You're really a good mom. She devoted
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Speaker 1: herself to five children. You got her, and you got
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Speaker 1: this guy just trucking a lawn. Martinez Hernandez already killed
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Speaker 1: one person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the timeline, he sex assaults a nine year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims.
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Speaker 1: Be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he
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Speaker 1: was apprehended. I'm not sure, but I do know this.
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Speaker 1: These are not his only victims. That dichotomy I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful. I love it, by
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Speaker 1: her family, her mother who is with us, today and
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Speaker 1: they got this guy. And it makes me wonder this
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Speaker 1: age old question, why to our very best people fall
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Speaker 1: victim to people like Hernandez.
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Speaker 7: Yes, good and evil, it's right there.
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Speaker 9: And what I really am struck by in this case
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Speaker 9: is that this perpetrator is what I would call poly perverse,
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Speaker 9: and so this makes this guy very, very dangerous.
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Speaker 7: And the other thing Nancy that strikes me is the
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Speaker 7: enormous amount of energy that goes into these crimes. This
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Speaker 7: guy is not just you know, in one town or
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Speaker 7: one village and you know, just sneaking out at night
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Speaker 7: and killing or raping somebody. This guy is traveling all
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Speaker 7: over the world.
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Speaker 9: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had
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Speaker 9: a total killing spree.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what you mean by could have
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Speaker 1: had a total killing spree. I'm god a victim and
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Speaker 1: El Salvador dead, Rachel morn is dead, a nine year
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Speaker 1: old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there
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Speaker 1: are more dead bodies in his wake. And the reason
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Speaker 1: this guy has been caught before he could kill again
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Speaker 1: is because of Rachel Moron and the publicity and the
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Speaker 1: intent the iron will. Her mother had to see this
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Speaker 1: thing through I don't know how many more victims there
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Speaker 1: would be, so I do know who and what Rachel
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Speaker 1: Moron is. She is the lady that moms want their
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Speaker 1: girls to grow up and be. That's who Rachel Moren is.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?
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Speaker 4: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before
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Speaker 4: midnight our time, police in Telsha, Oklahoma, assisted by our
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Speaker 4: federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
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Speaker 4: So far, we have learned that the suspect is a
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Speaker 4: twenty three year old twenty three year old citizen of
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Speaker 4: El Salvador who illegally crossed the border into the United
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Speaker 4: States in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Ms Moran, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?
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Speaker 1: I guess the backdrop of who is this guy Hernandez?
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Speaker 2: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,
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Speaker 2: like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen
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Speaker 2: fifteen months old, and she's very petite, fair skin, bright
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Speaker 2: orange hair, and she just loved life. She loved learning
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Speaker 2: new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning, but
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Speaker 2: also she was very sensitive. She cared about people. She
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Speaker 2: cared about people's feelings. She was very compassionate. She grew
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Speaker 2: up to be just a wonderful woman. Balanced. I loved
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Speaker 2: her because she had she has a strong sense of herself,
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Speaker 2: and she didn't have a problem disagreeing with mom because
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Speaker 2: Mom's a little older and more traditional than she was.
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Speaker 2: But that's what made her who she was. She knew
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Speaker 2: who she was. She loved her children. She devoted herself
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Speaker 2: to her children. She was a hard worker.
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Speaker 1: Ms. Mouren, Can you tell me about Rachel's children and
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Speaker 1: how they have been responding to mommy being gone.
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Speaker 2: Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't stand
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Speaker 2: why she couldn't come back. She has an autistic daughter
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Speaker 2: who's high on the spectrum, and her daughter just kept saying,
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Speaker 2: I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand
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Speaker 2: that she couldn't come back to her. I know that
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Speaker 2: they've been getting a counseling and help in processing this,
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Speaker 2: but I think that it's going to be a long
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Speaker 2: time because they're still so young and so at different
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Speaker 2: points in their growth and in their maturity. They're going
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Speaker 2: to come back to this and kind of reprocess it.
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Speaker 2: So I think this is going to be a long
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Speaker 2: term thing for her children.
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Speaker 1: Patty. How old is her youngest eight years old? There
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Speaker 1: are five of them. Have they been tipped together or
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Speaker 1: did they have to be separated?
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Speaker 2: There's five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been
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Speaker 2: living with her and say for the past two years
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Speaker 2: or so, and they're actually expecting their first baby, so
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Speaker 2: Rachel's missing the birth for first granddaughter. Then two of
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Speaker 2: her children, the next two in age, are with their father,
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Speaker 2: which is about an hour away from the rest of
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Speaker 2: the family, and then the youngest live in the area,
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Speaker 2: so they live with their fathers in separate places. But
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Speaker 2: they do try to come together a couple of times
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Speaker 2: a month to hang out for a weekend and to
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Speaker 2: be with each other. But it's very, very disheartening to
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Speaker 2: have such a broken up family.
25:47
Speaker 1: You know, until I had the twins, I you know,
25:51
Speaker 1: I would hear people talk about the best thing that
25:54
Speaker 1: ever happened to them was having a grandchild and being there.
25:58
Speaker 1: The significance of being there when grandchild came. The thought
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Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be there to help my daughter when
26:07
Speaker 1: she has a baby or to help my son. It's
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Speaker 1: devastating the most important thing that happens to them in
26:14
Speaker 1: their life, and she's not going to be there, and
26:20
Speaker 1: that child is not going to have her. And when
26:22
Speaker 1: I think about this woman, when I think about Rachel Moore,
26:26
Speaker 1: and I was first when I heard about her murder,
26:30
Speaker 1: I was just struck by her incredible physical beauty. But
26:35
Speaker 1: the more I learned about her, she was completely devoted
26:40
Speaker 1: to those children. And who is he listened?
26:44
Speaker 4: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
26:47
Speaker 4: life for himself or for his family. He came here
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Speaker 4: to escape the crime he committed. No Salador became here
26:54
Speaker 4: and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else. But
26:58
Speaker 4: that should have never been.
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Speaker 10: Allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. An emotional day in a
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Speaker 1: court of law when the man accused and the murder
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Speaker 1: of mom of five, Rachel Morin appears, Rachel's mother breaks
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Speaker 1: down in tears, and shortly thereafter it's announced the trial
27:27
Speaker 1: for murder will be delayed. Nearly a year. Is justice delayed?
27:33
Speaker 1: Justice denied for Rachel's family. Patty Mooren, along with her lawyer,
27:38
Speaker 1: also joining us Randolph Rice, who is the family lawyer.
27:42
Speaker 1: I might add Vincent Hill joining me in addition to
27:45
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Vincent Hill investigative reporter of Fox forty
27:49
Speaker 1: five in Baltimore and former police officer in Private Eye.
27:54
Speaker 1: He's the author of Playbook to a Murder. Vincent, thank
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Speaker 1: you for joining us. I want to try and explain,
28:02
Speaker 1: but you're very familiar with the path. How this guy,
28:06
Speaker 1: a predator, already murdered one woman back in El Salvador,
28:10
Speaker 1: already attacked a mother and a nine year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: How he is waiting along this trail. And this is
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Speaker 1: not a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent,
28:21
Speaker 1: how people love to say, oh, I would never have
28:24
Speaker 1: gone walking on that trail by myself, or everybody feels
28:27
Speaker 1: in the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So
28:30
Speaker 1: they can differentiate themselves from a violent crime victim because
28:35
Speaker 1: it makes you feel safe. That's not going to happen
28:37
Speaker 1: to you. But this trail, Ma and Pa trail, it's
28:41
Speaker 1: a family trail. Families are on it all the time.
28:46
Speaker 1: If you look past those trees, there's an apartment complex
28:51
Speaker 1: and people access it all the time. And I just
28:54
Speaker 1: want to point out there is no way to insinuate
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Speaker 1: that Rachel Moore and in any way was acting negligently
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Speaker 1: or recklessly. I wanted to dispel that myth because I've
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Speaker 1: heard it. It's not true. Yeah, that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: I mean, if Rachel had any inkling that something would
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Speaker 10: have been bess on that trail, given her size, given
29:18
Speaker 10: the fact that she was alone, she wouldn't have been there.
29:20
Speaker 10: But on that particular day, I'm sure there were hundreds
29:23
Speaker 10: of people out because the weather was nice. This guy
29:26
Speaker 10: was lying in wait, he had been to that trail,
29:30
Speaker 10: he'd maybe even seen Rachel before, because we know that
29:33
Speaker 10: he had been in Maryland for quite some time before
29:36
Speaker 10: he did what he did. So Rachel was just going
29:41
Speaker 10: about her day and unfortunately she was in the wrong
29:44
Speaker 10: place at the wrong time, and she came across Victor Martinez,
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Speaker 10: which ended her life.
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Speaker 1: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you
29:52
Speaker 1: just said. Of course, everything you said is usual is accurate,
29:56
Speaker 1: But you said, and I think it's because Rachel's mother
29:59
Speaker 1: is with us. You said, he and you paused did
30:03
Speaker 1: what he did. I've had to look jury's in the face.
30:07
Speaker 1: Little old ladies sitting on the jury and tell them
30:12
Speaker 1: what happened. Rachel's mother knows what happened. You think I
30:18
Speaker 1: want to hurt her. We have to be blunt. What
30:22
Speaker 1: he did. He did, what he did, you said, after
30:25
Speaker 1: a long pause. He stalked her, he saw her. He
30:32
Speaker 1: bludgeoned her, He beat in her face, and he raped her.
30:35
Speaker 1: And he left her on that trail naked. He stole
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Speaker 1: this mother from her children in the most brutal fashion,
30:48
Speaker 1: like an animal. That is what he did. And there's
30:54
Speaker 1: no way to sugarcoat it. There's no way to airbrush
30:57
Speaker 1: it or massage it into something else. And because of Rachel,
31:04
Speaker 1: we know who he is and he is behind bars.
31:09
Speaker 1: This is what happened. Listen.
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Speaker 11: There was a bend in the trail that most likely
31:15
Speaker 11: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the
31:18
Speaker 11: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage culvert,
31:22
Speaker 11: where she ultimately lost her life.
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Speaker 12: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That
31:28
Speaker 12: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it
31:32
Speaker 12: was ran through the National Code System DNA evidences.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this DNA.
31:37
Speaker 12: Evidence has come back as a match tied to a
31:40
Speaker 12: home invasion and insult and an assault of a young
31:43
Speaker 12: girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect
31:50
Speaker 12: has not been positively identified, but he did leave behind.
31:52
Speaker 1: His DNA and that was then. This is now We
31:56
Speaker 1: got him due to an extensive manhunt and incredible work
32:02
Speaker 1: by lab scientists in genetic genealogy cutting edge DNA, we
32:07
Speaker 1: have Hernandez. I want to go to our special guest,
32:13
Speaker 1: Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother, Ms. Mouran. Yes, I'm
32:20
Speaker 1: so sorry what you've lived through, but I know you're
32:25
Speaker 1: going to be front and center when this goes to trial.
32:29
Speaker 1: How many times have you let yourself lived through what
32:37
Speaker 1: Rachel experienced?
32:39
Speaker 2: It's an everyday thing. Sad to say, it's I know.
32:52
Speaker 2: Part of grieving is you have to face the facts
32:56
Speaker 2: and you have to process them. And until they apprehended
33:04
Speaker 2: the suspect, it was easy to kind of live and
33:11
Speaker 2: deny a little bit. But now that they have a suspect,
33:17
Speaker 2: it makes all the facts true and you have to
33:23
Speaker 2: face the truth and accept it. And so you have
33:28
Speaker 2: to rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts
33:34
Speaker 2: and put a timeline to it. And it's very it's like,
33:41
Speaker 2: it's so painful and grieving to think what my daughter
33:50
Speaker 2: experienced and that there was no one there to help her.
33:55
Speaker 2: You know, as moms, we want.
33:58
Speaker 1: To protect our children, and I have.
34:02
Speaker 2: Something so unexpected to happen, and for us just not
34:08
Speaker 2: to be there, not able to help, it's been a
34:12
Speaker 2: very it's it's been very hard. It's my plan to
34:18
Speaker 2: be there because I wasn't there to protect her or
34:23
Speaker 2: to help her, but I want to be there after
34:26
Speaker 2: the fact, I guess to make sure that absolutely everything
34:30
Speaker 2: is done for her and that nothing is left undone.
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Speaker 1: Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms morn, I'm
34:39
Speaker 1: just so glad you're there. Randolph Rice, high profile lawyer
34:44
Speaker 1: that's working with the Moron family. Just let me go
34:49
Speaker 1: to Chris McDonough. He is the director of the Cold
34:51
Speaker 1: Case Foundation. He has been working on this case and
34:55
Speaker 1: investigating on his own, as we all have been. Former
34:59
Speaker 1: homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations
35:05
Speaker 1: under his belt. I found him on YouTube on the
35:08
Speaker 1: interview room during the Coburger investigation and was struck by
35:13
Speaker 1: his knowledge, his intimate familiarity with not only that case,
35:17
Speaker 1: but the workings of a courtroom. And Chris McDonough, I
35:20
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever let yourself think about the
35:25
Speaker 1: suffering of the victims that you and I have represented
35:29
Speaker 1: our whole careers, if you can call what we do
35:33
Speaker 1: a career. But Chris, I'm listening to Ms. Morin and
35:37
Speaker 1: I have never been quite as brave as she is
35:41
Speaker 1: being today because when I think about my fiance's murder,
35:47
Speaker 1: what happened in those moments that he was killed, I
35:52
Speaker 1: stopped myself because to this day it gives me an
35:56
Speaker 1: intense headache, a horrible headache when I start reliving what
36:02
Speaker 1: I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,
36:09
Speaker 1: and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't
36:13
Speaker 1: imagine what a parent goes through. You heard Rachel. You
36:17
Speaker 1: heard Rachel's mom describing you can't be there for your child,
36:22
Speaker 1: your baby, you can't help them. It's excruciating. How do
36:28
Speaker 1: you separate yourself from that? Chris?
36:32
Speaker 6: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,
36:35
Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody quite understands like Nancy's explaining
36:39
Speaker 6: about the death of her fiance, what depth of pain
36:44
Speaker 6: you can get to. But here's the other good news.
36:48
Speaker 6: You can get through it, and you can empower yourself
36:53
Speaker 6: that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's family,
36:59
Speaker 6: that this never happens again to anybody else, that they
37:03
Speaker 6: have to experience what you're experiencing. So it does. You
37:07
Speaker 6: will be able to get through it.
37:09
Speaker 13: And you know, I know.
37:11
Speaker 6: That Nancy's given you an amazing platform here to tell
37:15
Speaker 6: the nation. You know how you're going to do that,
37:18
Speaker 6: and I commend you for saying what you've said even
37:22
Speaker 6: this morning.
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Speaker 14: I will personally be leading the prosecution of this case.
37:26
Speaker 14: While the defendant is innocent, until and unless he has
37:29
Speaker 14: proven guilty, Arford County and our neighboring communities can rest
37:33
Speaker 14: assured that my office will take all steps necessary to
37:37
Speaker 14: ensure that justice is served for Rachel Morin and her family.
37:41
Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, there is a prosecutor with some backbone that
37:46
Speaker 1: will go after this case. But the case isn't done.
37:49
Speaker 1: The case is still being built. Listen.
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Speaker 4: We're still looking for information. He was in this area
37:55
Speaker 4: for at least some period of time, and when I
37:58
Speaker 4: say the area, he was in the bel Air area
38:00
Speaker 4: for some period of time before or right after the homicide.
38:03
Speaker 4: Were both so if people still have information, and now
38:07
Speaker 4: that there's a name to put with the face, the
38:10
Speaker 4: investigators still want to talk to you. We still want
38:12
Speaker 4: to know. We still want to build that timeline because
38:15
Speaker 4: there is a case to prosecute. We want to put
38:17
Speaker 4: all the pieces together so that Miss Healy can do
38:20
Speaker 4: her job most successfully and again ensure this guy never
38:23
Speaker 4: sees the light of day.
38:24
Speaker 1: And in that Vein says, the case is still being built.
38:28
Speaker 1: Here's the tip line toll free eight eight eight five
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Speaker 1: four zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight eight
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Speaker 1: five four zero eight four seven seven. This case has
38:42
Speaker 1: got to be fleshed out. There's got to be more
38:45
Speaker 1: than DNA to present to a jury. Eyewitnesses, someone that
38:51
Speaker 1: knew him before leading up to the murder of this
38:56
Speaker 1: mother of five. Where did he go when he left
38:59
Speaker 1: that trail? What did he do with his clothing? Where
39:02
Speaker 1: did he wash his clothes? Where was he living? These
39:08
Speaker 1: and other facts are very very important. Did he have
39:11
Speaker 1: scratches to his face, his neck, his arms? What can
39:16
Speaker 1: we find out? We've all seen cases that are strictly
39:21
Speaker 1: DNA cases that have been eviscerated by a good defense attorney.
39:28
Speaker 1: That cannot happen in this case, that cannot happen in
39:33
Speaker 1: this case, I want to go to special guests joining
39:37
Speaker 1: us in addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high
39:42
Speaker 1: profile lawyer who is helping the Moran family through this. Randolph,
39:47
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. It's the fingerprint nature
39:51
Speaker 1: of the crimes, the similarities. In both cases, he lie
39:56
Speaker 1: in wait for the right moment. In both cases, he
39:59
Speaker 1: had tacked a female. In both cases, he's wearing the
40:03
Speaker 1: same thing. In both cases, there was physical brutality. In
40:08
Speaker 1: both cases, he makes off casually. He walked out of
40:13
Speaker 1: that house like he owned it. And I guarantee you
40:15
Speaker 1: he did the same thing in Rachel's murder. The similarities
40:20
Speaker 1: of these cases, and there's going to be more. I
40:23
Speaker 1: just wonder if the case in El Salvador is as
40:26
Speaker 1: similar and that can be brought in at trial as
40:29
Speaker 1: a similar transaction. I mean, if we're going to go,
40:33
Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, let's go all the way.
40:35
Speaker 9: Now.
40:35
Speaker 13: You're right, and it's you as a former prosecutor and
40:39
Speaker 13: back in the day when I had a little less
40:40
Speaker 13: gray hair, I remember prepping for these types of cases.
40:44
Speaker 10: And you're right.
40:45
Speaker 13: You have got to put together a timeline of where
40:49
Speaker 13: he was leading up to this and where he was
40:53
Speaker 13: after because there could be patterns, there could be similarities.
40:56
Speaker 1: Bombshell. In the case of a El Solvadorian man charged
40:59
Speaker 1: and the murder of mom of five, Rachel Mooren, a
41:04
Speaker 1: delay a delay has been announced in a court of law.
41:09
Speaker 1: Why this case is one of the most brutal attacks
41:14
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I'm just wondering how you're getting through
41:19
Speaker 1: each day. How do you put your head on the pillow,
41:23
Speaker 1: how do you make yourself fall asleep when you wake
41:27
Speaker 1: up in the morning, What makes you get out of bed?
41:31
Speaker 2: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last
41:34
Speaker 2: ten months, because you just you think about Rachel's life,
41:41
Speaker 2: You think about all the details before she was murdered,
41:46
Speaker 2: and you think, is there any any little detail that
41:51
Speaker 2: I missed that could help in some way? And so
41:56
Speaker 2: up until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my
42:00
Speaker 2: days were like, literally day and night. Is there anything
42:04
Speaker 2: that I've missed in her life that could have been
42:07
Speaker 2: helpful in finding the suspect? And now that they have
42:12
Speaker 2: apprehended him, there is now a sense of relief, where before,
42:22
Speaker 2: to be honest, I was afraid to go to sleep
42:25
Speaker 2: at night. Not that I look like my daughter anyway,
42:31
Speaker 2: but I was just as a woman. I just felt afraid,
42:34
Speaker 2: and I know our community did as well, especially the women,
42:38
Speaker 2: and so we've feel a sigh of relief, but now
42:43
Speaker 2: it's still feeling exhausted and thinking what more can I
42:51
Speaker 2: do to help my daughter on this side of the investigation.
42:59
Speaker 2: Is there is there anything that law enforcement might need
43:05
Speaker 2: from me that would be of help. But I think
43:09
Speaker 2: the most important thing is just letting people know that
43:13
Speaker 2: if you've seen this person, have any interaction with him
43:18
Speaker 2: in any way over the past year, to contact our
43:22
Speaker 2: local law enforcement, the sheriff department, so that they can
43:26
Speaker 2: put the last couple of puzzle pieces together to make
43:30
Speaker 2: this a very solid and concise case. I'm sure that
43:38
Speaker 2: it's going that it's very well put together now. I
43:44
Speaker 2: just don't want anything left undone. I hope that answers
43:48
Speaker 2: your question.
43:49
Speaker 1: It does? It does chrism Donald joining me veteran law enforcement.
43:54
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what Patty Rachel Moren's mom is just saying.
44:00
Speaker 1: Know there are going to be other crimes to connect
44:02
Speaker 1: him to, but I want to focus right now on
44:05
Speaker 1: the prosecution in the Rachel Moren murder, and we need
44:09
Speaker 1: to fill in all the blanks leading up to and
44:12
Speaker 1: after the time of Rachel's murder and attack. The best way,
44:16
Speaker 1: of course is DNA, and his DNA has already been
44:20
Speaker 1: entered into the National DNA Data Bank. But there is
44:23
Speaker 1: also the fingerprint data bank where he may not have
44:28
Speaker 1: left DNA or the DNA may not have been preserved.
44:32
Speaker 1: There's a possibility of a fingerprint match. Offer instance, a
44:36
Speaker 1: burglary that turned into an aggravated assault or rate, a
44:40
Speaker 1: fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere that I can
44:43
Speaker 1: connect him to a crime, and also a digital fingerprint. Okay,
44:51
Speaker 1: this guy is, as we say now, a migrant, that's
44:58
Speaker 1: what we're saying. Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so
45:02
Speaker 1: we're not going to track him through his credit card
45:05
Speaker 1: or his Social Security number. That's not happening. But I
45:09
Speaker 1: guarantee you this. I guarantee you he had a top
45:13
Speaker 1: of the line iPhone or Android. Okay, this guy is
45:19
Speaker 1: involved with a gang. He is in a gang notorious
45:26
Speaker 1: for crime. I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases I did.
45:31
Speaker 1: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing
45:37
Speaker 1: to them, and I guarantee you he was tricked out
45:40
Speaker 1: with the best phone to keep in touch with his
45:42
Speaker 1: gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him
45:46
Speaker 1: where he has been, what he has been doing. Yes, No,
45:50
Speaker 1: you are.
45:51
Speaker 6: One hundred percent right, Nanti that if this guy, you know,
45:56
Speaker 6: we first of all, we have some good information here.
45:58
Speaker 6: Number one, he committed this ferocious crime in El Salvador
46:03
Speaker 6: and then at some point he must have crossed into
46:07
Speaker 6: this country. The question is how many times and did
46:11
Speaker 6: they ever have contact with him? And if so, how
46:14
Speaker 6: does he make it to la And that gang connection
46:17
Speaker 6: that you're talking about is probably the most logical connection
46:22
Speaker 6: to this thing, because that neighborhood where that first attack
46:26
Speaker 6: occurred is in the seventy seventh division of LAPD. That
46:30
Speaker 6: is one rough neighborhood. Let me tell you, I've been
46:35
Speaker 6: there and we've served many search warrants there. And so
46:39
Speaker 6: how does he blend into that circumstance and that gang
46:42
Speaker 6: affiliation is probably the most likely that would make him
46:46
Speaker 6: a chameleon within that environment, and why he was hidden
46:50
Speaker 6: for as long as he has while on the run.
46:54
Speaker 1: When you walk through the park and you see a
46:58
Speaker 1: little squirrel or ra run across your path. Is your
47:02
Speaker 1: instinct to pounce upon it, grab it and bite its
47:07
Speaker 1: throat out. No, your instinct may be to pet it
47:12
Speaker 1: or try to throw it a treat. This guy is
47:16
Speaker 1: not like you. This guy's instinct is to attack. He's
47:23
Speaker 1: crossed the border three times that I know of in
47:26
Speaker 1: two months. He's been from Tulsa to La to bel Air, Maryland,
47:31
Speaker 1: and everywhere in between. You want to tell me he
47:34
Speaker 1: could fight his impulse to attack. No way. Joining me
47:41
Speaker 1: is a very special guest. Patty morn is with us.
47:46
Speaker 1: Rachel's mother, Ms.
47:49
Speaker 14: Moran.
47:50
Speaker 1: You are speaking to thousands and thousands of parents who
47:55
Speaker 1: are suffering, and I want you, as best as you
47:59
Speaker 1: can to explain what you do when you feel overwhelmed
48:06
Speaker 1: by the loss of your girl.
48:08
Speaker 15: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.
48:19
Speaker 2: I know that different people have different religious affiliations, but
48:25
Speaker 2: I believe in the Lord, and I believe that God
48:28
Speaker 2: has a plan and a purpose even if we don't
48:31
Speaker 2: understand it. And I believe that God is good and
48:36
Speaker 2: that he loves me. And so when things are very
48:42
Speaker 2: hard to the I go to the rock. I ease
48:47
Speaker 2: my solace, and I just pray and pour my heart
48:51
Speaker 2: out to him and he comforts me. But then I
48:56
Speaker 2: also have a close group of friends and that have
49:02
Speaker 2: been such a support these last few months, praying for
49:06
Speaker 2: our family, giving encouraging words. Mister Rice, what an awesome
49:14
Speaker 2: man he is. He is so good and so kind
49:17
Speaker 2: and so generous, just really very good supportive people. And
49:25
Speaker 2: so I would encourage anyone that's feeling pain from a
49:30
Speaker 2: loss to get counseling, to have a support group, a
49:35
Speaker 2: group of friends, maybe grief share, and just to keep
49:41
Speaker 2: your friends close and don't be afraid to feel your
49:47
Speaker 2: feelings and to process them because you don't want to
49:50
Speaker 2: be stuck.
49:52
Speaker 1: And it's.
49:54
Speaker 2: Healthy, even though it's very very painful, healthy to process them.
50:02
Speaker 2: And I want to make sure that I'm healthy for
50:05
Speaker 2: my family. So I'm willing to feel the pain now
50:12
Speaker 2: so that I'm not stuck and not moving forward for
50:16
Speaker 2: my grandchildren.
50:18
Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfolds Nancy Grace crime story
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,