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  Speaker 1: All right, Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian with Allison, and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame number one ninety. What did Men Do to deserve this?
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  Speaker 1: Where we're going to be looking at a couple of
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  Speaker 1: different things. I don't want to give too much away,
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  Speaker 1: but The New Yorker put out an article that has
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  Speaker 1: gotten a bit of a reaction called what did Men
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  Speaker 1: Do to Deserve This? Changes in the economy and in
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  Speaker 1: the culture seem to have hit them hard. Scott Galloway
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  Speaker 1: believes they need an aspirational vision of masculinity by Jessica Winter.
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  Speaker 1: We also have a thing on Twitter that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be interesting. I don't want to say what it is,
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  Speaker 1: but suffice to say no one was surprised. And then
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  Speaker 1: we have a video that is talking about what's happening
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  Speaker 1: to South Korea as a result of feminism in Japan.
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  Speaker 2: I think or okay, all right, I thought it was comparing.
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  Speaker 1: Depan's not doing like much better, guess a little bit
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  Speaker 1: better than South Korea, but but they're still in like
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  Speaker 1: every country is in danger of this stuff? Really, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like there is no there is no place safe from
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  Speaker 1: it unless you want to live with like the counter
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  Speaker 1: gatherers in the bush, you know, so we we send
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  Speaker 1: like educators down there to liberate the women.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, liberate the men and women from the
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  Speaker 2: men who protect and provide for them. Yes, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that will go with a society that's at the very
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  Speaker 2: edge of survival, I'm sure that will go really well
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  Speaker 2: for everyone involved. Okay, so yeah, I shall do the things.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get this so just checking okay, good, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: this is working now. I was just making sure my
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  Speaker 1: chat was was working as it should. Okay, so do
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  Speaker 1: you want to start with this article? Then?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with the article. Let's all right. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's that long, but no.
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  Speaker 1: This was This was shared by uh I've noticed, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I know a better match. In case you guys
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  Speaker 1: don't know, he's a migtile content creator. That mostly, I
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  Speaker 1: mean he basically lets like respond to what's happening in
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  Speaker 1: the world and stuff from a MiG tile point of view.
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  Speaker 1: And so let's see what it says. So by Jessica Winter, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these articles don't seem to be as long as
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  Speaker 2: they once were. I wonder what's happening there. Have you
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  Speaker 2: notice that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that they very I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean like when you say once we're I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you're comparing it to. Don't you remember like a
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  Speaker 1: year ago, these used to be pretty long?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's get into it. I'll stop.
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  Speaker 1: See that's just it just goes and goes and goes.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably another like literature thing. Bald White and Jacked.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Galloway is an action figure of the tech and
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  Speaker 1: finance overclass. He's an angel investor, a best selling author,
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  Speaker 1: and a personal finance guru. He podcasts constantly. His hosting
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  Speaker 1: duties include The prof The prof g Pod, which offers
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  Speaker 1: business news takes and career advice, Pivot, in which he
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  Speaker 1: riffs on the news of the day with the tech
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  Speaker 1: journalist Kara Swisher, and the self explanatory Raging Moderates with
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  Speaker 1: the Fox News personality Jessica Tarlov. For someone of this
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  Speaker 1: uber mensh milieu, he is surprisingly progressive and self aware.
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  Speaker 1: He often acknowledges that his wealth and achievements were made
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  Speaker 1: likelier by his race, sex, publicly funded education, and devoted
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  Speaker 1: mother who raised him mostly on her own.
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  Speaker 2: So a man who didn't even have a father speaking
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  Speaker 2: for men, I see a problem with that. I see
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  Speaker 2: a problem. This man does not have any intimate experience
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  Speaker 2: with male vulnerability or nurturing. So his entire attitude and
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  Speaker 2: when they talk about progressive, what they mean is weeps
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  Speaker 2: for the situation of women not understands the vulnerabilities of men.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they mean. And also why they and you
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  Speaker 2: know how they start with these gross stereotypes, like I.
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  Speaker 1: Was just gonna point out point that out. She's like
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  Speaker 1: for someone of this uber men's milieu, like immediately goes
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  Speaker 1: into like the usual suspects, right, and then basically says,
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  Speaker 1: I know you're judging him the exact same way I
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  Speaker 1: would judge him. It's like, no, you're doing that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who this guy is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and none of us, none of us makes him
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  Speaker 2: sound like he's an authority on men? Yeah, who assigned
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  Speaker 2: this man to talk for men? I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: that's ironic coming from me, but at least I try to.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, I don't is this guy like, okay, wait,
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  Speaker 1: so is this article? Well, I haven't read it yet,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess what I'm wondering because this is a
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  Speaker 1: this woman h wrote this article. Sounds like she's being
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  Speaker 1: a bit hostile towards Scott Galloway. So is Scott Galla
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  Speaker 1: the bad guy? Or is this woman the bad guy? Like?
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Like what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: No, Scott Alloway is I'm pretty sure that he is.
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  Speaker 2: And I will confirm this all right using grok and
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  Speaker 2: I will try this time because I know you guys
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  Speaker 2: complained about last time. You're getting distracted by grok and
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  Speaker 2: I apologize for that. I'll try to keep it more sustinct,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll read this. He is a feminist ally, and
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  Speaker 2: again right off the bat, he agrees with the narrative
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  Speaker 2: of male burden, male parasitism that I mean read that
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  Speaker 2: last sentence again.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's a run on sentence. But for someone of
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  Speaker 1: this ubermans milieu, he is surprisingly progressive and self aware.
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  Speaker 1: He often acknowledges that his wealth and achievements were made
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  Speaker 1: likelier by his race, sex, publicly funded education, and devoted
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  Speaker 1: mother who raised him mostly on her own. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he basically says, if I wasn't if it weren't for
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I was a straight white male, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be this successful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So he already buys in to the
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  Speaker 2: feminist framework right off the bat. So she may be
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  Speaker 2: treating him in a hostile manner, but it's because she's
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  Speaker 2: trying to create street cred for this man.
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  Speaker 1: And again also there's there's like, if they treat this
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  Speaker 1: man as one end of the Overton window and her
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  Speaker 1: perspective as the other end of the Overton window, then
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  Speaker 1: there's no room for our position because it doesn't fit
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  Speaker 1: in that. So like those are the they basically they're
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  Speaker 1: establishing the borders, right mm hmmm. So yeah, Like this
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  Speaker 1: guy is about as extreme as you get to be
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to sympathy for men, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is nice, I say, because it only can exist within
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  Speaker 2: a narrative that is inherently unsympathetic. And we can go
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  Speaker 2: into just how nasty and noxious the feminist narrative is
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  Speaker 2: and how much of a denial of academic ethics it is,
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  Speaker 2: because I've actually sort of researched this a little bit
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  Speaker 2: further and it is astoundingly awful stuff. But he has
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  Speaker 2: to exist within the framework, and it's a framework that denies,
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  Speaker 2: true on a fundamental sense, any sympathy for men, because
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  Speaker 2: it's a framework that promotes the narrative that men are
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  Speaker 2: a burden on society and women. There's nowhere to go,
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  Speaker 2: there's nowhere for the sympathy to land in that narrative.
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  Speaker 2: So you can make mouth noises all you want, but
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  Speaker 2: what you're actually saying is that men are not deserving
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  Speaker 2: of sympathy, and their vulnerabilities are their own fault. That's
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  Speaker 2: the other thing that's implicit in that statement. It's a
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  Speaker 2: boot straps statement because it's saying. What that guy is
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  Speaker 2: saying is that every one of you who have failed
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  Speaker 2: have done so despite being granted advantages that other people
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  Speaker 2: and women do not get. So you are double failures.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the narrative says. This narrative cannot help men.
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  Speaker 2: It can only induce guilt. Guilt is actually the more
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  Speaker 2: positive emotion. It can only induce shame and lead men
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  Speaker 2: on the path towards self destruction. Small self destruction, which
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  Speaker 2: is just beating yourself up over your failures, and then
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  Speaker 2: large self destruction, which is removing yourself entirely from the
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  Speaker 2: narrative of the human race. This is sick shit. And
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  Speaker 2: Scott Galloway is not an advocate for men. He is
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  Speaker 2: a pied piper for a toxic, demonic narrative about men.
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  Speaker 2: Continue all right.
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  Speaker 1: So in recent years Galloway has also become a leading
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  Speaker 1: evangelist for a notion that rapidly solidified into conventional wisdom.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a notion America's young men are in crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Seldom in recent memory has there been a cohort that's
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  Speaker 1: fallen farther faster, He writes in his new book Notes
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  Speaker 1: on Being a Man. To make his case, Galloway pulls
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  Speaker 1: from a heavily circulated set of statistics. At colleges and
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  Speaker 1: universities nationwide, female students outnumber males by about three to two.
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  Speaker 1: Among young adults, men are more likely than women to
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  Speaker 1: live with their parents. By their mid thirties. More than
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  Speaker 1: fifteen percent of men still live with their folks, compared
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  Speaker 1: to less than nine percent of women. All Right, I
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  Speaker 1: want to.
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  Speaker 2: Say to that, Yeah, I want to say something. But
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  Speaker 2: of course, the assumption here is that they're operating off
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  Speaker 2: of privilege rather than disadvantage. Even though we have debt,
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  Speaker 2: we have literally pursued disadvantaging men in all of our institutions. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that this is this is un this is undeniable. We
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  Speaker 2: have said that we are going to do this, and
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  Speaker 2: we have done it. It's undeniable. But what I want
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  Speaker 2: to point out is this is the kind of counter
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  Speaker 2: argument that we've talked about. I pointed out a while ago.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Rose Wrist He was a perfect example of this. Well,
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  Speaker 2: actually he wasn't a perfect example of this, but there
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  Speaker 2: was another feminist who ended up being a perfect Let
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  Speaker 2: me just get into what it is they will agree
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  Speaker 2: with all of the issues, right, They'll agree with every
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  Speaker 2: single one of them. They will deny the fact that
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  Speaker 2: this as actually counter evidence for their framework around reality.
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  Speaker 2: This is all of the stuff that he's doing describing
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  Speaker 2: is counter evidence for his framework that men are advantaged
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  Speaker 2: by patriarchal society. So he will acknowledge it. And now
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  Speaker 2: he's going to do a song and dance to put
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  Speaker 2: the blame squarely on men and put the trauma or
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  Speaker 2: the victimhood squarely on women. This is my prediction. I
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  Speaker 2: will be absolutely astounded. I tell you what if if
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  Speaker 2: the my prediction doesn't come true, I will turn off
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  Speaker 2: my camera and I will go play with my cat,
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  Speaker 2: which would probably be more of a reward for me.
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  Speaker 3: But but anyway, all right, so yeah, I know I
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  Speaker 3: was going to say about like women living with their
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  Speaker 3: folks less than nine percent.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's like it's not just because women
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  Speaker 1: are given every possible opportunity to get a job, they're
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  Speaker 1: more likely to get hired. They're better educated, or at
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  Speaker 1: least they get a better education, more education, not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: good education, but also because like a man probably has
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sustain himself before he can move out.
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  Speaker 1: A woman does not. She can just move in with
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  Speaker 1: a man that has made it so like she can
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  Speaker 1: just thunk to that. And that's probably what happens most
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  Speaker 1: of the time, as a woman goes, well, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go live with this my boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Remember those two those two videos that we
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  Speaker 2: did with Caleb Hammer, yes, or like days ago. The
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  Speaker 2: one woman had her rent and her utilities paid for
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  Speaker 2: by her boyfriend, and the other woman wasn't working, so
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  Speaker 2: she had her rent and her utilities paid for by
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  Speaker 2: her boyfriend. Where are they in these stats?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not. They're not. They're yeah, they're they're well,
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  Speaker 1: they're victims of they're victims of men in those stats.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but this is not an honest stat What we
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  Speaker 2: really should look at is how many men are supporting
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  Speaker 2: themselves versus how many women. And I'm guessing that that
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  Speaker 2: would really switch the percentages. And all that really shows
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  Speaker 2: is that women aren't willing when they're a financial success,
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  Speaker 2: they aren't willing to pay for their partners. But men are. Ye, privilege,
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  Speaker 2: everybody privilege.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Among young adults, men are more likely than
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  Speaker 1: women to already read that part. Sorry, men die by
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  Speaker 1: suicide about three and a half times the rate that
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  Speaker 1: women do. Men's real wages are lower for the tenth
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen percentiles of earners than they were in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy nine. Currently, the unemployment rate among young men with
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  Speaker 1: bachelor's degrees between the ages of twenty three and thirty
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  Speaker 1: is close to double that of their female peers. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so yes, all that's true. And again I just want
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  Speaker 1: to I just want to point out that men when
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  Speaker 1: they were making I guess you know this says here
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  Speaker 1: about their wages, but remember back then then, when men
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  Speaker 1: were making money, even if they were making more than women,
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  Speaker 1: that's irrelevant. Who do they spend the money on? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was money itself is meaningless. Who benefits from his pay?
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  Speaker 1: It's usually the woman or the family in his life.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they work. Okay, yes, so anyway, okay, current, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, the narrative that he is we've already
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  Speaker 2: said the currently the unemployment rate, the you've already done that.
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  Speaker 2: That does sound the narrative that he's promoting. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: all of this is counter evidence. And nowhere do these people,
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  Speaker 2: because they're not intellectually honest say, oh, we have to
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  Speaker 2: contend with this in our theory. We have to incorporate it,
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  Speaker 2: because fundamentally, feminism is the theory that's or the conjecture
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  Speaker 2: that society benefits men over women. Period. Now we can
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  Speaker 2: get into the weeds about men being in positions of authority,
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  Speaker 2: but that doesn't matter. What it ultimately comes down to
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  Speaker 2: is does society benefit men over women. All of this
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  Speaker 2: evidence is counter evidence to that. Okay, So essentially feminism
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  Speaker 2: reverse is the causal relationship. It says, because men are
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  Speaker 2: in authority, then women are oppressed. Well, you have to
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  Speaker 2: actually show that. You have to actually can't just assume
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  Speaker 2: women are oppressed by only looking at situations of female
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  Speaker 2: disadvantage and then say that is because men are in authority.
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  Speaker 2: This is terrible science, and that it gets even worse,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll get into it as it goes. But this
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  Speaker 2: whole narrative, they never acknowledge that they have to prove
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  Speaker 2: the premise that he established in the first paragraph, which
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  Speaker 2: is that men are privileged in our society, and then
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  Speaker 2: they go through all of the evidence that that isn't
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  Speaker 2: the case, and they still land on the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Because it is an unfalsifiable cultish belief. All right, let's
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  Speaker 2: keep going.
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  Speaker 1: All right. These numbers have roused by partisan concern. In March,
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  Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom of California on the debut episode of
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  Speaker 1: his new podcast Welcome the conservative influencer Charlie Kirk, who
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  Speaker 1: lamented Gen Z as the most alcohol addicted, most drug addicted,
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  Speaker 1: most suicidal, most depressed, most medicated generation in history. All Right,
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  Speaker 1: pausing there for a moment. Wow, it's true, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit like the thing is, he wasn't referring to
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  Speaker 1: men specifically. He was talking about like Generation Z. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it's a little it's not really clear. I
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  Speaker 1: think that the women are really medicated. I think like
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  Speaker 1: a quarter of them are on SSRIs or something. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about the drugs alcohol. The men are probably suicidal,
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine legitimately suicidal, not like pretend suicidal and
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  Speaker 1: depressed maybe or at least anxious. But yeah, so so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know where she's going with this.
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  Speaker 1: But this, this statement made by Charlie Kirk is not untrue.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also not gendered or not sex specific. So
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  Speaker 1: all right, and these under thirties. Kirk said, we're receiving
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  Speaker 1: a pernicious, pernicious message. You're not going to have the
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  Speaker 1: same American dream that your parents would have. He and
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  Speaker 1: his fellow conservative organizers saw this as an opportunity, he added,
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  Speaker 1: especially with young men and Donald okay, an opportunity. Who
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  Speaker 1: said that so, cause, like, I don't know that Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk said that he and his fellow.
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  Speaker 2: An opportunity for what is what I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: About, especially with young men, Okay to like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know then that that's a weird phrasing because I think
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  Speaker 1: that it's making Charlie Kirk sound like he was praying
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  Speaker 1: on this situation. And I don't think. Yes, I don't
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  Speaker 1: watch all of Kirk's like clips ever, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: He was a zoomer, and he was one of the
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  Speaker 1: lucky ones. And he knows that and he has said that. So,
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  Speaker 1: but anybody was one of the lucky ones? Was I said?
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  Speaker 1: Was yeah until I murdered him. But okay, So Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump won men under age thirty by fifty six percent
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  Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty four election, up fifteen points from
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty For these games, Kirk credited the coalescing electoral
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  Speaker 1: power of the right leaning constellation of podcasters and streamers
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  Speaker 1: known as the Manisphere, which encompasses libertarian bros, evangelical Christians,
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  Speaker 1: and white nationalists.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, oh it's everything now, it's literally everything. You
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  Speaker 2: like me, You're part of the Manisphere. Like they might
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  Speaker 2: as well just say masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's what they mean. Yeah, yes, basically, any any
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  Speaker 1: podcast that has a dude in it that's not apologizing
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  Speaker 1: for being a dude, that doesn't be he's his every
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  Speaker 1: show with I was born into privilege because I'm a man. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: any man that does that, yeah, doesn't do them.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't do the hail privileges. I was born into privilege.
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  Speaker 2: I was born into entitlement. I was born with unearned access. Everybody,
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  Speaker 2: every dude has to do this. I have to feel
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  Speaker 2: ashamed of existing as a man.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yep. Otherwise you get lumped into the manisphere, which is basically, yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bunch of shit that's even like
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: counter like, it's paradoxical libertarian bros, evangelical Christians, and white nationalists. Okay,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: yeah so.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But also people who are for free speech and everything else,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: like all of the all of the values that got
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: us a prosperous modern society. If you're for them, you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you're also a bro. You're also because because there's sort
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of masculine values, they're not based on desire for security
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and risk aversion which you know, risk being, being risk
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: tolerant is is, that's part of the menosphere.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: True being like a gym influencer, fitness influencer, dude, manosphere.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And definitely if you have any criticisms of women ever,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: including those that would develop them as moral agents in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: their own lives, that is manosphere.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, let's all right, anyway.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Trust of ever getting this done, Let's keep going.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You're right. Newsome, who is angling to become the next
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Democratic presidential nominee, appeared to be listening closely. At the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: end of July, he issued an executive order intended to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: quote confront California's growing crisis of connection and opportunity for
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: men and boys end quote. A week later, another likely
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Democratic content by the way that that executive order was
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: nothing but virtue signaling. You can't you can't legislate people
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: hanging out. You can't do that. But what you could
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: do is not lock them up in their house for
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: like five years, and you could also stay the fuck
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: out of the way when men want to get together
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and don't like shame them for doing so how about that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: But they're not gonna do that anyway. Sorry, that just
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: annoyed me because we covered that that executive order, which
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: people are just saying, like, I get that. I love
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that a politician can say I'm gonna do an executive
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: order that makes every day Christmas, and people like status types,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like leftists, they'll be like, well, he made every day Christmas, guys,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: so like we should it should just be Christmas all
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the time. Now, Like you, what the hell is wrong
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: with you? How do you think this works? Why do
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you like you're literally a child, like you have not
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: left you even if you don't live with your parents,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you haven't left your parents' house. You still think that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: mommy and daddy just make things happen with words, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so that's what this is. It annoys me to know
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: when and any man can see right through that to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: be like, well so what you said this?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So what?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry? Oh yeah, all right, anyway, because this is the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: thing it gets him some like sympathy so he can
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: get votes. That's what he's trying to do. That's all
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it's about. And if anything, he's going to get them
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: from women. They're the ones that are the ones the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: most likely to fall prey to this shit. Well, dude,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: well I'm going to vote for Newsom. He makes it
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Christmas every day. I'm going to vote for him. I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: voting for Christmas. If you're pro Christmas, you'll vote for
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom because he's making it real. Okay, And you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: guys sing Santa Claus doesn't exist. He does, and he
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: looks like an American psycho. But anyway, at the end
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of July, what I read that one. A week later,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: another likely Democratic contender to former Chicago mayor Rama Manuel,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: published an op ed in The Washington Post that linked
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: unaffordable housing and healthcare to an increasingly dependent mood amongst
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: young men. You don't have to be an in cell
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to believe that the system is fundamentally broken and rigged
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: against your success, Emmanuel wrote, again, complete bullshit. He's doing
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it for votes. Yes, men are worried about housing prices,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but they don't think the government is just going to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: make them free that's women thinking. That's not men thinking.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Men have never thought that just wanting something to be
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: free is actually something they can benefit from. If you
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: make things free, women get it first and men pay
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: for it. That's the way it works. That's the way
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it works.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So consider Okay, all right, I will do a counterpoint.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe these dudes want the stuff to be free so
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: women get it. They could be just seeing it as
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: as a means to get women's stuff even when they can't,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: which is so utterly depressing. You see what I'm saying.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Which dudes are we talking about? The politics?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: The ones that vote for these people, the vote for
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom and m Amuel They might be framing the men,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: many young men might be framing this well. First of all,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: they're probably invested in thinking that the feminine way of thinking,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you know, in shewing altruistic punishment, giving handouts is morally correct.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is they may not be as
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: concerned about what they're going to get in this socialist
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: or communist system. They may be more concerned that women
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: get the things they need because they are men still,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: even if they are wrong conceptually about the world and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: philosophy and economics, they are still men, and they may
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: be looking at it while at least women will get something,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: knowing that they won't get anything, and they're probably also
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: wanting some kind of purpose. This is what I see
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: about young men, even on the left, even the horrible communists,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: they're communists because they want somebody to tell them what
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: they should do, how to serve they don't well, aren't communists.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing that really annoys me about
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: conservatives and conservative interpretations of men on the left. They
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: don't do these things because they want to exploit people.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: They do them because the women around them tell them
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: it's the right thing to do, and because they want
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to see that women don't end up in poverty. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they think communism or socialism is going to do that,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and they think that it's going to give them some meaning, something,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: some connection towards what they need to do to improve
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the world around them. That's why these men are doing this,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And the conservative interpretation is that they're selfish and entitled. No,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: stop for a second look at the women promoting communism
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and socialism, and you will see selfishness and entitlement. They're
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: promoting it because they want freebies. They're promoting it because
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they cannot acknowledge that their form of morality isn't the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: only one. So and that I'm just going to put
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that out there because I think I will push back
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: against condemnation of these men like you blanket condemnation. Yes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they are wrong about economics, they are wrong about the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: beneficence of government, they're wrong about stripping other people of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: their rights. But from what I'm seeing, they're doing it
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: from a very different place than the women who are
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: advocating for it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, so well, no, I don't disagree with any of that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but I do think it's immoral to do that because
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you are stealing, you're just using the state to do it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But that being said, yes I do think they're doing it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: You consider.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Putting women first in doing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: This, yes, yeah, Well that the implication was that they
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: were doing it because and I think there's fundamentally different
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: motives between men and women in pursuing communism. And consider
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that these young men have been told all of their
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: life that they themselves are a net detriment to women, right,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and that wanting to protect and provide for a woman
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: is oppressing a woman. So they still want to do it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: How did they do it? They do it through government.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: You see, this is where this corruption is coming from.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And men's in young men's things. And I do think
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it's corruption because you know, I will disagree strongly with
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the person like you on this. This is not economically viable.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Giving government more money to spend does not help the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: situation if the problem is that the government is spending
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the economy into absolute destruction. And I'm going to use
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: an example of the collusion and how this is creating.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It's like a tower of babble. It's getting larger and larger.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Look at the current AI bubble, and it really is
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: a bubble because honestly, I've been using AI for a
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: few months now and I've been looking at its strengths
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and weaknesses. It is not going to replicate the creativity
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and certain aspects of people's productivity. But what it will
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: do is it will enable everyone to be able to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: destroy scientific consensus and academic authority. So it's gonna break
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of that and I don't know if our
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: society is prepared for it. But furthermore, there's not amount
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: of money in that. Like the best thing that I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that that AI does is give us a mirror to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: our own conceits and biases. There's no money in that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And if and if, the only way they're gonna make
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: these big AI firms are gonna make money is if
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: most of the people on Earth are laid off, And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: then where is the economy gonna come from? So it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: this gigantic bubble and it's sustained by one AI company
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: giving gigantic UH contracts to another AI company, So it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: essentially just passing the buck. So I'm gonna borrow ten
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: dollars from you to to do a contract with ten
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: dollars for Navidia, and all around it's like a circle
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: jerk of contracts. And that's the That is where this
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this increasing stock price is coming from. And why are
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: they doing that with absolutely no real like that. I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: can't emphasize this enough. There's no real path to the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: kind of money to justify the market cap of these companies.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There's none without the complete destruction of our economy. So
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: how are they justifying all this? How is like Ninvidia,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like the head of Navidia saying to himself, Wow, this
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: seems a little bit like a Jenga tower with most
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of the blocks removed. This seems a bit sketch. Maybe
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: we should pull back from this. You know what he says,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be too big to fail. The US government
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: is gonna bail us out. The whole idea of the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: US government bailing out corporations, the whole idea of government
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: spending underwriting the economy, is why we are facing economic argument.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Geddon right. Still, no, I don't agree with any of this.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And the problem is that corporation always get it first
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: because they're defined as people, but they're like super people
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: who are better than you. It's not just women get
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it first. Corporations get it first in this government corporate collusion.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, I don't know where I stand
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on the political access. You can untangle all of the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: things I said, but literally, we are facing economic armageddon
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: because of the precedent set of too big to fail
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and government's just going in and spending money to prop
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: up failing industries. And these industries are failing, possibly because
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the heads of these industries, the heads of these companies,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: no the government will do it, so they're willing to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: take absurd risks because they don't they know they're not
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: holding the bag at the end of the day, which
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: is really feminine thinking if you think about it. All right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: let's uh.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: All right, So anyway, like Newsome, Emmanuel is doing what
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: a certain kind of democrat does best, triangulating. Both politicians
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: have accepted at face value Kirk's premise a young American
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: men are in terrible and unprecedented straits and those currents
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: are yanking them rightward. But they want to steer the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: conversation away from demagoguery and misogynists sloganeering and toward a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: middle ground of respectful debate and technocratic fixes. So it's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the dialectic, like, we will accept some of this, Can
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: we have some of the stuff that's killing men, just
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like half of the stuff that's killing men, and then
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll consider compromising on some of the other things.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: That's what that is, right, I mean, for yeah, like
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: demagogaury based on what and misogynist slogan airing who gives
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a shit?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't even know if we'll be able
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: to get through this. It's so freaking dense and stupid. Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: but something that just occurred to me, this is the
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: misogynistic thinking. Okay, I'm sure a lot of peop because
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you guys are all really conscientious and keeners. You've had
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the experience of having a school project and you get
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: assigned a partner that doesn't pull their weight. You've had
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: that experience, Brian, Yeah, sure, right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, we are in a society where men and we've
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: all been assigned a school project and women aren't pulling
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: their weight, and misogyny is pointing that out. Guys, aren't
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: pulling your weight. You got you got these outside influence
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: on the social narrative, and you're not really doing You're
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: not doing your part to make it make sense or
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: be consistent, and that misogyny is identify saying that at all.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It's like that whole slogan, women hold a path the sky,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: and it's it's empowerment to say that women hold a
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: paf the sky, but it's misogyny to say, so do it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you doing it?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You also asked the question who holds the up the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: other half?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So essentially that phrase women hold up
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: half the sky means up women hold up the entireties,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: the entirety of the sky, but only men are to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: blame for the actual consequences of not doing so this
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: is just that's misogyny, guys, And I just okay, I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: gotta check the time, because I have a rant, because
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I have consistently found now every time that I talk
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to a feminist who uses these buzz terms of misogyny,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I have asked GROC to estimate their diminishment of consequential
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: agency of women versus men. What does that mean? It
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: means that you take an action and the action has
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: meaningful consequences in the greater world. Every single time feminist
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: women diminished women's consequential agency at about seventy five to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: ninety or ninety five percent relative to men. And then
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: recently I've been asking GROW to create a shocking neurological,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like a shocking visual to demonstrate what these women are doing.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And what they're doing consistently is lobotomizing the prefrontal cortex
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: of women. This entire ideology lobotomizes the prefrontal cortex of women.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And then when men would point out that the drooling
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: idiot that they have been assigned to is not doing
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: her work in the project that they need to get
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: done so that everyone survives, feminists call it misogyny. As
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: they sharpen their ice pick for the next lobotomy. Okay,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: all right, yes, so.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel, these elixirs for young male malaise in the form
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of new zoning regulations and tax credits for first time homeowners.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Theovann's audience, the barstool crowd, they can't get enough of
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Daniel does not see such promise. In New
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: York City's mayor elect the Democratic Socialists are on Mandani,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: even though Mamdani's campaign focused relentlessly on affordability, and according
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to early exit polling, he won male voters between the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: ages of eighteen to twenty nine by an astonishing forty points.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Although that was that election was decided by women, not men. Yes,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: there were a number of men that voted for him,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but women are the ones that brought it home. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I talked about this on yesterday's show, and I made
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a video about it, and Wignats got into my comments
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and were like, no, it was brown people. And it's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: true that a high percentage of Muslim immigrants that just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: got here voted for him, but they paled in the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: actual numbers compared to the number of women who voted
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: for him. And they were voting for free shit and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, yeah, a lot of men did too,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and it's a shame because I think that they're you know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think they're just misinformed. I think they get the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: idea they're going to get something and they're not going to.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But yes, women are the ones that put that guy
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in office, and I want people to understand that. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that's the funny thing about wig nats is that they
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: get lumped in with the manisphere, but they can't seem
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to see men in their you know, I don't know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in their framework of seeing everything in terms of racial dynamics.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And that's that's a shame for them because they will
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: continue to lose until they understand that their women are
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: their greatest enemy, not the brown guy across the street. Sorry,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So it's the woman. It's the woman that's voting for
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: these policies and doesn't give a shit, wants to kill
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: your babies and you know, reproduced with strange men. So
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that's your problem anyway. No, Yeah, that's it was a women. Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: When Emmanuel wrote into The Wall Street Journal to criticize
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Mam Donnie's unabashedorly leftist agenda, the letter was headlined, my
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: party's future isn't mam Donni's New York. Yeah, so so
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah, some I don't. I don't want
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to call him moderates, but like some Democrats don't want
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: what Mamdani wants, But that doesn't matter because he has
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the women's vote and that's what you're gonna get now
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: because you didn't stop to think, I wonder if men
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: need help. So now you're just in an endless spiral
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of trying to please women. And that's where it's going anyway.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I wonder where these uh, these highly centralized dictatorial cultures
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: with Harem's come from.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, but like what do you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Think that, Like, seriously, this guy gets into power and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: he surrounds himself with women.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Think Harem was in the past? Guys? Okay, let's let's.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Keep going, all right, what's some of the what some
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Democrats would prefer? It seems as a centrist manisphere of
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: their own. One. Imagine the podcast studio attached to a
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: well appointed gym where a bunch of white guys are
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: discussing abundance over beta alanine smoothies and doing pistol squats
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to the theme song from Pod Save America. So again
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: another dismissal. Oh, it's so silly. Why would you want
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a centrist manisphere whatever that even means. In notes on
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: being a man, Galloway, who has expressed bullishness on the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: presidential prospects of both Newsom and Immanuel, declares that discontented
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: members of gen Z and the Boys and and teens
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of Jen Alpha need an aspirational vision of masculinity, a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: vision opposed to the misogynist messaging that's epitomized by influencers
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: such as Andrew Tait and Nick Foyantes. So do you
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: want to say anything to that, because I can say something. Yes,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Alison stepped away, Okay.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm under sustained voidcat attack. So I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: trying to see if maybe if I sit down on
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the couch for a sec, she'll just settle down, so,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know what, take it away and if I see,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: if I hear something, because I will be listening, I'm
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: never far away.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Oh that's fine, So okay, so she this is the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm getting from this. Okay, this the woman
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: who wrote this article thinks that Ram E Manuel and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom are centrist and that what they want to build.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want. Does that? Does that track? Let me
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: read it again? Okay, what some Democrats would prefer, it seems,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is a centrist man sphere of their own, and one
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: imagines a podcast studio attached to well appointed gym where
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a bunch of white guys are discussing abundance over beta
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: alanine smoothies and doing pistol squats of the theme song
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: from Pod Save America. In Notes of Being a Man, Galloway,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: who has expressed bullishness on the presidential prospects of both
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Newsom and Emmanuel, declares that discontented memory of gen Z
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and the boys of Jen Alpha need an aspirational vision
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of masculinity. She thinks that that's what her claim is,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that guys like Gavin Newsom and Rama Manuel are centrist
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Democrats or center left guys, and that they would be
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: building a centrist manisphere, which I think she dislikes. She
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: wants she wants them to be like far left. That's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: what she wants.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, but I think far left in this case is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: just completely wrapped around women, because I think what she means,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: what she means by sex, she.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't call it far left. She call it normal.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, exactly. It's interesting she's using these political
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: labels because that's not what she's actually she's saying. What
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: she's saying is people who deserve to exist and people
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: who do not deserve to exist. So the non people
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like Gavin Newsom, em Manuel they actually look at the
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: situation and they see other things that are wrong aside
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: from men. So they're centrist. So the far right doesn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: see men as a problem. Centrist people recognize that men
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: are a problem, but there are other problems, and her,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: the real people, the good people, the people that deserve
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to exist, recognize that men are the only problem. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: think that's her political landscape that is terrifying. Continue, Brian,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and I sort of like the void cat because okay,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: so I went over to the couch. I'm like, okay,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: come here, come here. Oh yeah, I'll snug explained. Let
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: me explain. I went over to the couch. I called
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the cat over. I'm like, okay, we can snuggle. Like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I'll give you some undivided attention. She sat over there
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and ignored me. But as soon as I come here,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: she's like she got she has to be in like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a fly. And I'm wondering perhaps this is stressing her
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: or is it just because she doesn't want me to
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: pay attention to anything but her? But if I'm if
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I am paying attention only to her, then she can't
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: cat block someone else from getting my attention. I don't
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: know anybody who understands Cat's psychology, maybe explain this, all right,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: let's continue, all right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So she also makes sure to point out that anything
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to avoid the misogynist messaging epitomized by Andrew Tay and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Nick Fuente. So those two they have, like you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: they they they're basically like lepers, absolute lepers at all costs.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Don't even move towards that. So that's that's a non starter.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Part self help memoir and part Dudes Rock polemic. The
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: book presents a capital letter credo men protect, provide, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: pro create. Masculinity can be expressed simply by getting up
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: at fucking six in the morning and going to work
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and doing shitty work such that you can protect your
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: family economically. Galloway once said, so, yeah, I mean, like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and this guy is pro Gavin Newsom and Rob et Manuel,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's almost like these guys don't know
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: what men need. And so all they have is what
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they think men have always done, and that's all they got.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: They have nothing. There's nothing progressive here at all. Obviously,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: it's it's like they've never been progressive, because that's a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: bullshit label to hide what they really are, which is
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: basically just like misinderous communists, so tribalize. Yeah, they are.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: They they want men to be a slave class, like
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you know. That was speaking of which there was an
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: interesting rant that I put in my uh my ex
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of Nick Fuentez, and he was saying that if aliens
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: came here and they and they didn't know anything about humans,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and they watched humans, they would think men were a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: slave class, that they're like compared to women. That he
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: he observed that he noticed that, and he said that, so,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you know, say what you want about him. I'm I'm
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, he's one of those
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: people that you can't pin down what they actually believe
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: because they're constantly changing things. But that was a correct statement.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: So all right, anyway, and the evolved man also ensures
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that he does not slack off domestically, emotionally, or logistically,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: leaving his partner to ask in Galloway's signature demotic demotic. Okay, boss,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: what the fuck are you bringing to the table.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: So Galloway basically just adds, so, not only does a
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: man have to be a provider, protector, and I guess
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: procreator means saying yes to your woman to whatever she
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: wants to do sexually, he also has to do all
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: to do his half more than his half of his
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: traditional He has to do his traditional role, and then
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: he has to do half of her traditional role, including
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the role that she will claim she does better, which
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is emotional labor and also logistically managing the household.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is basically traditional masculinity but more more.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really what feminism like, what it ends
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: up being is traditional masculinity plus more, basically traditional masculinity
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: without the thank you Yeah without.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: That's mainstream feminism. Radical feminism is traditional masculinity without ever
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: being in the presence of a woman ever.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like right.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: The legitimacy of her political what her political access appears
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: to be, is the legitimacy of the male identity in
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and of itself. So the reason why Andrew Tate nickentes,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: even though I don't really think that they are liberating
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: men from anything. In this axis, they are represent masculinity
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: as having a value in and of itself. Now that's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: where I would agree with Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate. Galloway,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: who is a centrist and Gavin who is a centrist,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: says masculinity has a value in service, in service to women.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: That's the traditional masculinity plus no thank you, like you
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: don't even get any gratitude. And then far left is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: masculinity has no value at all, which is why men
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: should be slaves.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, basically, okay, okay. The good man of the reasonable center,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in Galloway's view, adheres to a code indistinguishable from that
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of the Boy Scouts, mental and physical fitness, emotional resilience,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: hard work, financial prudence, caring for others. Few could object
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to any of this. But the person it describes, a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: kind of conscientious sort who aspires to make a decent
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: living and who looks after their loved ones, seems blessedly
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: gender free. So why make this about manhood? Even the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Boy Scouts have gone co ed. So now it's like,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: here are a bunch of qualities that I think will
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: be good for men and She's like, why does it
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: have to be men?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Though, yes, and that's the problem that I've identified multiple
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: times in the past. They can't allow anything any unique
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: good for masculinity or men. And this is this is
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: These are the people who say that this is all
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: about socialization, right, They say that this that all the
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: bad that men do is supposedly about socialization, although they
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: don't live up to the socialization explanation, like you can't
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: just say things. You can't just say things in research
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: that that's not the way academia is supposed to work.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: If you say it's about socialization, you need to have
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: a plausa and plausi plasive plausible mechanism for how socialization
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: explains the universality of male ideology. Because feminists say that
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: male ideology has one hundred percent per penetration with men, right,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: so there's basically one to one with men. Well nothing,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: No socialization does that, and yet that's what they claim.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: So in essence, they wanted to treat male ideology as
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: a bio essentialist label. So in other words, it's it's
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: just there by virtue of a man being a man,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: because it's one to one with being like a man.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Identifying as a man, so they want to have that
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the bio essentialist like one hundred percent penetration, but pretend
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: they're talking about socialization, so they don't have to deal
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: with the ethical questioning of creating bio essentialist categories, like
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: saying you are this because you were born this way,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: and that is subject to a lot of ethical scrutiny
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: in academia, but feminists aren't because they handwaive it as socialization,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: even though no socialization could possibly ever have created one
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: hundred percent penetration of masculine ideology across ethnic, cultural across racial,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: across religious, across national lines. There's no socialization, no plausible
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: mechanism of socialization that could create that level of penetration,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and yet they're allowed to assert this and pretend it's
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: not bio essentialists. Pretend they're not literally saying men are
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: bad because that biological category is bad. They are born criminal, right,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: That's what they're saying, And they're not supposed to be
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: allowed to say that in academia, but for some reason
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: academia let them get away with it. It is they
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: say it's so they say that they're appealing to socialization,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: but the functional thing that they're describing is assigning a
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: criminal category based on somebody's genetics. You are a criminal
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: because of your genetics. That's what they're doing. To men,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: You are a criminal because of X Y. That's what
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: they're doing. And I can't understate that. I can't overstate
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: this enough. This is a massive ethical breach that has
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: been allowed to go on for seventy years in academia
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: with no nobody saying boo to these people, and everybody
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: just titters every time. This bioessentialist bigotry of you are
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: born criminal because you're a man, pukes up a bit
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: of genocidal ambition in any one of its adherents, like
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: we'll reduce the male population down to ten percent, we'll
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: treat men like library books that women can check out
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and rape when they want anytime. This just sort of
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: bubbles up from this massive evil, ethical monstrosity, unethical monstrosity.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Everybody just titters about it. And yet it's basically like
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the lava like the events on a volcano
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: showing the massive amount of corruption and cultural rot below it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And this is corruption and cultural rot. This should never
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: have happened. There should never have been an academic branch
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that basically declared half the human race criminal because of
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: their biology. That shouldn't have happened. We should have had
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: safeguards against that. Our current academia prides itself on having
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: safeguards against that, and yet what has happened. I don't
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: know if any like I'm sorry I used a lot
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: of very abstract stuff, but I hope you understand that
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: it is not acceptable to regard half the human race
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: as born criminal because of their genetics. Yeah, and that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: there is no plausible socialization mechanism to explain. Explain that
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: there's none, and it's only appealed to in order to
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: avoid the recognition of the massive ethical breach that feminism represents.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: It is a massive ethical breach. This shouldn't have happened.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Feminism shouldn't have happened. It's not just that it did happen.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't have happened. And we don't even have to
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: appeal to a patriarchy that doesn't care about women. If
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: academia applied its ethical rigor consistently, feminism would never have happened.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: They weren't even held to the standards of any other science,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and they were allowed to fester and infect policy, government, academia, NGOs,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: people dealing with social ills like domestic violence and sexual assault.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Like this is this is I hate to tell you guys,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: but this is like our society has terminal, fourth stage cancer,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: and I, I don't know, maybe we could be a
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: cautionary tale for the next one. All right, let's keep going.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I got a couple superchilds so sure. Richard Bierre
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: gives us five dollars and says a super child and says,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: don't you know just how much better life will be
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: without electricity, indoor toilets, internet, and other modern technology. Think
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: about how much better off the environment will be without
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: so much carbon emissions that results from the technological lifestyle. Yeah,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: well we're gonna find out. Probably, so I can't wait.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: It's like Christmas morning, which maybe not because it hasn't
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: been put into you know, law or policy, so maybe
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: not Christmas.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Then Great Indoors gives us five dollars and says five
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: dollars for a close up of the magnificent rascal called voidcap.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Please let me see if I can I can get her?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Can you see her?
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, I'll do it. Briefly so that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: she does not become unsettled. There you go, Okay, let's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: do some more, all right, the.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Good man I already read that part, So yeah, I
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: just want to point out that she like makes this
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: little remark about the boy Scouts going co ed. That's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that's that's actually kind of like that's like a victory
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: face stomp. I'm just letting you know, like the the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Boy Scouts were destroyed because they let women in, I think,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't meant for women, And there was already
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: a Girl Scouts, but that wasn't enough. So like, even
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: though we already had a Girl Scouts, the women wanted
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: to be in the boy Scouts too, And now there's
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the Girl Scouts and then there's just the Scouts, you know.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: The bab main pro problem is that she doesn't want
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge that there is anything good about men or masculinity.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: But this is just like an extra taunt on top
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of that, even though she's trying to like make a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: claim like, well haven't we moved on from men having
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: an identity? Even the Boy Scouts are basically destroyed. So
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: all right, there is no question that the generation's long
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: erosion of the US manufacturing base and the diminution diminsh
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: whatever the shrinking of the unionized pension jobs that this
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: sector had offered, disproportionately harmed working class men. This is
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: perhaps especially true for black men, whose access to these
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: CETI well playing jobs greatly expanded following the victories of
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, which we have to point out
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: because you know, black men aren't are only they're not men.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: They're just black, So that that's what it is. They're there.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I don't care about them because they're men. I don't
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: even care about them because they're black. They're just useful
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to like drive home how good of a person I am. Yeah, i'mgoing, yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: i'mgoing into Austrial collapse has shaped many of the statistics
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that are central to the man crisis discourse. Yet if
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you tilt some of the most commonly cited data points
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: this way or that, you can just as easily argue
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: on the behalf of a woman crisis as a man crisis,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: or perhaps most accurately, for an ongoing multidirectional crisis affecting
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: us all.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: So now we're moving into women have it worse. So
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: she has basically gone away from this idea of recognizing
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: that masculinity has any inherent value like and honestly, you
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: cannot avoid recognizing that masculinity has inherent value if you
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: recognize biological differences, right, if you recognize there are biological
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: effects of testosterone, then you have to recognize that men
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: have of a unique value. And for example, and it
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: seems to center around their higher risk tolerance, which leads
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: to the ability to sacrifice oneself in certain certain areas
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: that are very critical for the maintenance of a modern society. So,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: for example, men are far more willing to sacrifice their
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: lives to help others. Okay, now, their effective empathy is
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: actually pretty it's pretty much found to be equal to
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that of women. That means that not the empathy of
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: being able to read another person's emotional states, which doesn't
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: mean that you're going to be impacted by them to
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: do anything, but the empathy of reacting to people being
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: hurt or people being in trouble. And the way that
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: men react to that is they have they absolutely one
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: hundred percent react as much as women to depictions of
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: other people in pain. So they they one hundred percent
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: react to it. And that's based on physiological marchers that
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: can't be miss understood or misconstrued like social reports. But
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: the difference is that while women have a greater I
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: think affective empathy, so they actually internalize or feel that
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: emotion that they are seeing, men pivot to threat detection,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: right to wreck, to external analysis for threat detection, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: coupled with the fact that they are much less risk adverse,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: this is why they sacrifice themselves when they see someone
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: in potential danger. When they see someone hurting, men are
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: much more likely to physically sacrifice themselves to prevent that
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: person from being harmed further or put in more danger,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: and they are specifically psychologically or physiologically cue to do this.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: And it also has another effect that we're going to
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: cover later. It's the Twitter thing that we mentioned, so
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: just keep this in mind. It has an effect when
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: it comes to social groups and cultural groups as well.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: We'll get into that later. I just wanted to point
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: that out because she is saying what she's really pushing
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: back against is the idea that men have any legitimacy whatsoever,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: that there is anything good about men. That's what she's
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: pushing back against. That's what she doesn't like she wants everything.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: That like are unique to them.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, that's what she's put you back against
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the very concept that men have validity, which ties into
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: her belief system, because the feminist belief system is a
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: bio essentialist bigotry that says that men are born criminal
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: because they are men. Yep, okay, and criminalists don't have legitimacy. Right, Okay.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So we've been doing this for a little over an hour.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to. We have two
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: other things that we're going to be looking at, right,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I can do huh.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Or you can summarize what's the rest?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what the rest of it is,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: but I can read this paragraph. I mean, I think
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: what she's going to do is she's going to explain that,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: you know, women, yeah, women have it worse so the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: college gender gap, or that men don't have it as
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: bad as they think. The college gender gap, for instance,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: could be evidence of a reterless demoralized generation of young men,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: But have you considered that it also could be the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: product of differing economic incentives like the pay gap. A
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: paper published last year by Georgetown University Center on Education
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: in the Workforce examines the labor landscape of rural America,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: noting that women need more education to earn the same
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: amount of money as men, and that the less educational
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: worker has the more at this gender gap widens. The
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: overall trajectory for the lowest earning men is not good, certainly,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: but it's not clear that their female counterparts are faring better.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So they did this paper in Rural America noting that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: women need more education to earn the same amount of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: money as men.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Again, like they're still getting it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, well, what do you like? Who cares who
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: makes the money? Who is the money spent on? Like
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: a man could make billions of dollars and a woman
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: could have no job and get all of his money.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: So who cares who makes the money? Like this is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the only thing they have is men make more money? Yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: but what do they make it for? What do men
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: earn money for? What do they do with it? What
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: does the average man do with his money? He buys
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: nice things, a house, a car. Why to attract a woman?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: What for? So he can give that money to her?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: That's that's why. So like this whole men make more.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: When women make more money, do they give it to men. No,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: they spend it on themselves. So men spend money on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: women and women spend money on women on themselves. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: then like, why are we looking at how much somebody
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: is making? It's a real like why why aren't we
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: looking at spending money is being spent?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Well, because one actually emphasizes women's victimhood and the other
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: recognizes that they're not really victims if they're spending more
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: than men. Okay, let's go to the nexture. Let's go,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: let's go what next paragraph?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: See suicide gender gap for another example, is actually narrowing.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, it was five to one,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and young women attempt suicide more often than young men do.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Women's wages overall are still seventeen percent lower than men,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: partially because women are vastly overrepresented many relatively underpaid provinces
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of health care and social services. Again, women attempt more,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: but they don't good They don't see it through. Men
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: do because women usually do it as a cry for help.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Men do it because they no longer they feel like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: they're a burden on society and that they make a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: logical decision and they say, I am better off not alive.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: For everyone else than alive.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They can I make a point here. If women are
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: committing suicide more often, could the fact that now they're
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: entering in relationships with other women more often be part
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: of it? Because you know, it's not just men that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: have one of the risk factors for committing suicide is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: problems or the end of a relationship. It's also the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: same for lesbian women. There's something about relationships with women
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: that just you know, very fatal. So maybe that's part
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of it. And maybe also feminism itself might have some
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to blame, considering they're promoting a self lobotomy, uh in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: their rhetoric, Like you're they're literally promoting women to do
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: the equivalent of a soft lobotomy on themselves, which induces
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a negative a death spiral of learned helplessness and resentment
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: in women. Could you take some responsibility for that potentially
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: increasing the late rate at which women commit suicide. Like,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: but regardless, I noticed that she's again pivoting. She's trying
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: to pivot everything towards women are the biggest victims, because
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: that's part of the narrative. If women are the biggest victims,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: that means men are definitely the criminals. Don't you know. Okay,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Right, let's see at this. Yeah. So, And this same
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: asymmetry helps her explain the unemployment gender gap among younger adults.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Healthcare is the source of most labor force growth in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: the US, and it's women who are taking most of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: those jobs, even though unemployment among black women is up,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: partially because they were overrepresented in federal agencies that were
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: decimated by DOGE, and labor force participation among women with
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: children is down, possibly because of rising childcare costs and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the kinds of strict return to office policies endorsed by
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the Trump administration. So the Orange man did this, Okay again, Uh,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: federal agencies, Uh usually have a lot of bloat, and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: like if you want to like reduce spending, then you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: reduce the number of jobs. And it's I mean, it's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: not my fault. Black women want all the government jobs.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So those go. Then they're going like it's not like
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: they're like we're going to fire and because black women
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: work here, it's like, no, we're we're trimming down the government.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Any Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you guys realize that eventually money
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: it runs out or the entire system implodes with inflation
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: like this cannot continue. We cannot just pretend we're being productive.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't I don't include like, I'm not just
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: saying people who citizens like the average Joe and Jane
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: is the only one. I'm not just pointing fingers at that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I'm actually pointing far more fingers, like all of my
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: fingers up at these this, these these corporate government entities,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: and I say their corporate government entities, because once your
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: business plan includes getting bailed out by the government, you
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: are deeply up the government's ass. At that point, you
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: can't consider yourself some sort of separate capitalist organization. I'm
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: pointing my fingers at them too, right, this is bullshit
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: from top to bottom. What a surprise, considering we embrace
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: bullshit in the relationship between men and women. Okay.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Among the more practical proposals to have emerged from the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: man crisis discourse is that the US should mount a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: campaign to recruit more young men to so called heel jobs.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: The acronym sounds for health, education, administration, and literacy. The
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: teaching and nursing professions are facing serious labor shortages. These
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: jobs don't come with big paychecks and are often grueling,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: but they're also resistant to automation and relatively recession proof.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: In the best selling Germaid of Boys and Men, the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: social scientist Richard V. Reeves writes, we need to break
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the cycle of professions taught by women for women. Some
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: rope us affirmative action is justified here. The economists and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: former Times columnist Paul Krugman has recently taken up taking
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: up Reeza's refrain, writing on his substack, many of these
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: occupations are female coded, and it becomes more so over time,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: partly because they're underpaid. No, No, do you know why
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: men don't go into teaching Because they're treated like predators.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't go into nursing for similar reasons. Yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: And incidentally, nursing is still not more grueling than the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: jobs that men are already doing. Right, Okay, let's let's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: finish that par It's sort of annoying that we're pivoting
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: to women.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Have it worse, of course, Yeah, but it's not. It's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: not surprising.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: No, I predicted it. So of courses still surprising.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: But they don't have to be. We can help attract
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: men to these coccupations in part by increasing the wages
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: heal occupations pay. So she's just like, just pay them more.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Let's just fix wages. I don't you know what when
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you say they don't pay that, well, I'd like to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: see what that is, because I bet you can make
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: you can live off of, like a job in health, education, administration,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and literacy. I know that, Like teachers were always complaining
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: about their money while living in a fucking house with
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a car. You know, I'm sorry, but that's you're doing
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: pretty good if you have a house, if you have
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a mortgage. All right. Anyway, women, it should be noted,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: have dominated the teaching profession since the nineteenth century, not
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: because it's a misunderrisk job protection racket, but because early
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: public education advocates found that they could expand the school
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: system more quickly by hiring women teachers whom they could
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: pay less than men. Really, okay, early public education advocates,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: so early statists that wanted to use the state to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: pay for education. So the government that started education thought
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: they could hire women and pay them less than men,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: is what you're claiming. While you're also advocating for the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: government to do things. So you know the government doesn't
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: do things well and you're claiming they are discriminatory against women,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: but you also think the government should do something about
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: this too, Yeah, fixed wages. They should, like, you know,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: take care of people. But you know that they're not
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: good at doing stuff like jobs, but you also want
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: them to do those things. You can't make up your
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: mind about what you think about the state, No, she
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: only can.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: She only knows that the state isn't men, So that's good.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless the state is discriminate against women, in which
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: case it is men.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, so men suddenly pop out of the.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: State, Yeah, men become the state. Yes.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: One might ask if difficult, essential work might be well
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: paid at this moment in history regardless of a person's sex,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: But then much of the centrist manisphere's rhetoric is predicated
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: on refusing to see half of what's in front of you.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Why does she never say that jobs like keeping the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: lights on and dangerous jobs that Why doesn't she say
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: that these jobs need to be paid more? She talks
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: about nursing. You know why she talks about nursing because
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: women are mostly in it, and she knows that women
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: can continue to discriminate against men going into nursing while
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: getting better salaries, so it's not gonna change anytime soon
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: unless she wants to address mean girl bullying of men
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: in nursing, right right, Nope, she's not going to do
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: that or the institutional threat that women in these these
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: women dominated industries post men. So she'll she'll she knows
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: that women can keep fortressing these issues, so she's not
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: advocating for men in any sense. She's basically just saying, well,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: men have problems, so why don't we pay nurses more
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: because that will help women?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: This is this is so so entirely expected. Okay, let's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: New Source Executive order under concerning men and boys acknowledges
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: the strong correlation between social media usage and mental health
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: disorders such as depression and anxiety, but it doesn't note
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: that these effects manifesting girls are significantly higher rates. Yeah,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: because of other fucking girls, that's why. But you won't
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you won't obviously, you won't confront that like that that anyway,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: And and Newsom doesn't. First of all, Newsom, if he
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: said it, he's wrong about that, but like, okay, he's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: fucking Gavin Newsom. I don't I don't trust him, Like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: as far as I could throw him.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: But he's part of the manosphere.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he's basically part of the manosphere. Do you
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: guys know that Gavin Newsom is in the manisphere? Now
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. These people have gone.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: This becoeus because Gravin Newsom allows that men there are
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: other problems aside from men like this. I can't explain this.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I cannot articulate this or emphasize I know what.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: You're saying, Alison, It's fine, we know.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I'm emphasizing it not just for you, but for the audience.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I can't emphasize this enough. These people think that men
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: are born criminal, right, and they reject anything that doesn't
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: ultimately end on men being to blame and women being
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: the biggest victims because that is their ideology. They see
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: the entire world through that lens that men are born criminal.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: So Gavin Newsom is a centrist to this woman because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: while Gavin Newsom recognizes that men have privilege and are
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: entitled and all that, and Scott Galloway is a centrist
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: because while Scott Galloway recognizes that men have privilege in
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: our title, he also sees men as part of the solution.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: The potential solution, which is double plus on double plus bad.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: But he also recognizes there there might be other problems
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: aside from men. See, that's the centrist position. Guys, you
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: know that men aren't actually you know, there could be
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: other problems that the human race faces, like, for example, bears.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Bears could be a problem that men aren't, you know.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Or how about earthquakes. Earthquakes could be a problem that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: men aren't. How about tsunamis? How about starvation? Wait, no,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: starvation is always caused by men. How about well poisoning? Well,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: men are the ones poisoning the wells, right, always? So
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: the idea that somebody can recognize that there are problems
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: that aren't at their core a result of the existence
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: of men is centrism, even if they do recognize that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: men maybe are the biggest problem, you know, but the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: and that men have to change and have to be
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: subordinate to feminists. And this is a direct result again
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: of the criminalization that the criminalization of men themselves, of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: basically equating being a man with being born a criminal.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: This is this is the political result, This is the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: political fallout. And also soft lobotomies of women. This is
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: something I saw so proud to be a part.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Of Okay, he could have said, young people unless college
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: bursars and landlords run a discount program for the ladies,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: which I haven't heard about. So yeah, Like, how dare
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you make this about men when you could also make
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: this about women? In fact, let's just make it about women.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel and his Washington Post op ed endorses a double
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: standard with even greater frankness. The cost of housing, he writes,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: is of course a problem for all Americans, men and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: women alike, but unpopular as it might be to say
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: in some quarters of my party, the crisis affects one
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: gender with particular potency. In other words, men and women
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: pay the same bill, but we are obligated to understand
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that the social and spiritual price it extracts from men
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: is higher. If women want an emergency to call their own,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: it can be that they are not having enough babies.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: All right? So why do men buy houses? And why
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: do women buy houses? That's all you got to ask.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Why do men buy houses because they want a woman
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: that wants a house? Why do on how buy houses
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: because they want a house?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? And then the other thing is that what
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: how horrible guys? How horrible. This man has said that
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: the gender that's most affected by homelessness is most affected
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: by the price of homes. Yeah, how dare he again?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel and Newsome want votes from men and women, so
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: they're they're at least smart enough to know they're not
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: going to shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring men,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and they're at least maybe they're even recognizing that. One
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: of the main reasons why Kamala Harris lost a twenty
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: twenty four election is that no one in that party
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: was able to even speak to men, like in their language,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: like as human beings, because they had no way to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: attract them. And now they're trying to like address that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: But this woman is like, no, she's like putting the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: monkey wrench right back in the machinery. No, you can't
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: do that. And you know what you can have that
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: that can be your friend, Those can be your people.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, please let us support this woman.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Take it all the way. Let's take it to its
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: logical endpoint. That's what I want to see. Achieve singularity here,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: erase men completely and watch and see if that helps.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: You know, seriously, take it all the way to the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: fucking event horizon, just go to the end. I want
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: to see that, because that's what this woman is doing.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: These guys are like, dude, I really you know what.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: We we're gonna need some men. We're gonna need some
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: votes from men. What do we do even if it's
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: the most cold, like absolutely, like I don't give a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: shit about these people. I just want their votes. Attitude.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try and sell it. This woman is like, no,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, because you're racing women and that's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: what you get. That's what you get. This woman is
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: exactly what you deserve. And I hope we see more
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: of this. That's what I want, yell.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: At least, isn't it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like at least she's honest, you know, like,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: at least she's honest. Like I don't, I don't. I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: don't think men have problems. I don't care about their problems.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't care about their problems either. In fact, we
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: should just make this about women all the time. And
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: then like and it's like, yeah, that's that's the framework
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: you've created, so now live within it, see it to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: its end conclusion, and maybe when you come out the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: other side, if you come out the other side alive,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: You'll be like, huh, Probably shouldn't do that again. Maybe
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: we should start treating men like human beings. Maybe we
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: should see this at for what it is. Maybe women
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: can also be a problem. Maybe they created this problem.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe this is how we got in this mess. Yeah,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: maybe all of that.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, good luck, because unfortunately I'm not kidding about
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: the soft lobotomy. This is this is this is the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: horror that I was like thinking about last night in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night, like three in the morning.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: These women don't have the mental capacity to understand this
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: situation at all. Like they have they have I know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: it's not they haven't physically done it, but they have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: cut off their own perception of the parts of the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: brain that are capable of understanding what we're talking about.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm actually curious, I'm actually wondering if this narrative,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: this feminist narrative, has managed to cut off so many
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: parts of women from so many parts of their brains
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: that they no longer understand language in an abstract sense,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: that language has simply become a way to get people
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: to do things like just buttons to push, like it's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: it's actually pretty terrifying. And I talk to these people,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to jar them out of it.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: How do you jar somebody out of the decision to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: lobotomize themselves after they've done so, you can't. It's like, so,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, good luck with this woman. I don't think
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: that she's at this point capable of the cognitive function
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: necessary to understand anything that we're saying. Please stop lobotomizing yourselves, ladies. Please,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we got some ship we need to fix.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: What else can you say?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Uh? And I say that to them and they're like, oh,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: you're such a pigmy misogynist. Yeah, you realize that's the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: lobotomy talking.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the ambassadors of the centrist manisphere praise women.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So this is the term now centrist manisphere for Gavin
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Newsom and Rawma Manuel for like far left Democrats. But
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: there are men though they're men, There are men that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: want votes, so like that puts them in the manisphere.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: They're just men, you guys, not this.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Do you notice how big the manisphere is getting?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're huge. We're everywhere now, guys, Like.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: We're like literally everything that.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Is in your closet.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Everything that isn't explicitly every single moment saying men are
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: criminal men or criminal menicriminal menic criminal men criminal, like
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: every single men are illegitimate criminals, right, every single If
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: you're not saying that at every single second, you are
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: now part of the manosphere. Mm hmm. And it just
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: keeps growing because even women who are feminists could be
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: part of the manosphere if they even allow the possibility
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: that women men could be part of the solution, right,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: and that men have problems. Now they're part of the manosphere.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: You're right, Just keep doing this. Maybe at some point
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: everybody will be in the manosphere and we can actually
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: have a discussion about men.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, So anyway, the ambassadors of the centrist
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: manisphere praise women's advancement and the feminist cause while insisting
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: that men's economic and vocational anxieties are more naturally potent.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: This ambivalence reveals the weakness of their side. The right
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: wing manisphere knows that masculinity is a series of dominant
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: signals beamed from behind ere dessin Oakley's and the wheel
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: of the most enormous pickup truck you've ever seen it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: is a smirking multi millionaire who destroys a young woman
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: at college hosted debate. It is must, it be said,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: and ar fifteen openly carried. Manliness in the Trump era,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Susan Faludi has written, is defined by display value, which
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: exhibits itself in a pantomime of a greed aggression. Upon
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: this stage, men's biggest problem is feminism, and the solutions
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: are straightforward restrict reproductive rights propaganda is about traditional gender roles,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: et cetera.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: How about just point out that feminism is a biased, biosentialist,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: supremacist bigotry that defines men as criminal by their virtue
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: of their birth, and you can handle away. You can
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: hand away.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Her biggest problem with this though, Yeah, this thing, the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: fact that they criticize feminism. That's the reason why she
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: fights this at all.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, let's let's see what she's doing, not on
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: the level of ideology, but on the level of political maneuvering.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: The ambassadors of the centrist manisphere praise women's advantment. The
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: ambivalence reveals the weakness of their side, So she considers
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: the right wing manispheres. Knows that masculinity is a series
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: of dominance signals. So masculinity is basically anti social dominance,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: is what she's saying. So the right wing manosphere knows
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: that masculinity is antisocial dominance, and the centrist manisphere is
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: more presumably progressive, but still sees men as part of
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: the solution. So they're a problem to Like, they still
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: recognize that men have traditional roles or roles that are
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: essential to fulfill and that that could be positive. So
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: that's the centrist manisphere. Now we have the far right manisphere.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: That's just like, masculinity is dominance, criminal dominance in every
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: CIRCUMDS dance, masculinity is saar on.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Basically, it's an ar fifteen openly carried. It's uh, it's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a truck. It's basically like, it's just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: this cartoonish thing that she sees and all of it
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: is and she's also pathological and criminal.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: She's also framing feminism and anti feminism because anti feminism
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: now is restricting reproductive rights. She just said restrict reproductive rights. Yeah,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: men's reproductive rights are already restricted. Like, even if a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: man is raped, he's expected to assume these responsibilities of
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: parenthood and hand waving it about biology, doesn't change that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: fact women aren't. They don't because there's a strict demarcation
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: between women consent to sex and consent to parenthood or
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: even yeah, there's a strict demarcation for women. And yet
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: even when men don't consent to sex, they still have
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: strict liability for parental responsibilities. So there's no reproductive rights
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: for men. Men have no reproductive rights. We've never even
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: had that conversation, right, and propaganda is about traditional Well
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: you know that men also have traditional gender roles too,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: not just women. Right, So all.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Of this they're the only ones still expected to carry
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: them out only when it serves women. Of course.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, But so she's saying anti feminism is traditional gender
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: roles and restricting women's reproductive rights because we already restrict men's,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: let's face it. So she gets to defy anti feminism
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: and feminism. Yep, that's convenient, okay, all right, So.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: The squishy or centric side has no such certainties. Galloway,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: in both his podcasts and notes on being a Man,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: presents masculinity not as one side of a fixed binary,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: but as a state of mind and lifestyle, one equally
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: available to men and women. And therefore impossible to define.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Oh so now we have a problem defining what a
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: man is okay, within this amorphous framework, men's biggest problem
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: is likewise a feeling, an unreachable itch or a marrow
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: deep belief that men should still rank above women in
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: the social hierarchy, just not as much as before. This
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: belief may be misguided or unconscious, but it is nonetheless insufferable,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and it must be accommodated for the good of us. All.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: She is talking from a position of being part of
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: an ideology that has declared men criminal by virtue of birth,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: which is a huge violation of all academic ethics in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: our society. That's the position that she is opining from.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: And she's saying, well, men want to put themselves in
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: front of women. No, men want it recognized that they
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: understand risk better and they can manage it better, which
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: is patently obvious based on biological differences.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Men want women to trust men doing the things that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: men do. That's all that means submission. The thing is
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: that I think that that word has become the most controversial,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: but we don't really even understand the original linguistic context
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: of that word. The original linguistic context is the idea
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: of someone with power submitting to the authority of someone
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: who has knowledge. Right, So it's the idea of an
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: army submitting to a general. That's more of the linguistic
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: context of that statement, and that's been stripped from it
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: because and the reason why it needed to be that way,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: because this is an implicit or explicit acknowledgment that women
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: can do whatever the fuck they want. Let's face it,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: they can rebel, they can destroy, they can convince men
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: to do things against their own interests. As May West said,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: when women go bad, men go right after them. Women
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: can fucking destroy societies if they want. They can start
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: wars if they want. They can create protect they can
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: create chaos and tumult. They can set men's hearts and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: minds against them itself. All right, they can do all.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: They can break men. And here's the trick, ladies, not
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: doing it. And that's the point of the word submission.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Not doing it. Your rebellion is the easy thing. Not
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: doing it is the hard thing. And that's why that
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: word was chosen, and it's lost that original meaning. So
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: we think it's just an act of dominance without without
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: having an incredible intelligence in it, and the reason why
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: it was chosen is because it is a record ignition
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: of the power of women to do all kinds of
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: destruction if they don't, if they don't submit to somebody
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: who has greater knowledge of risk and systems, And that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: isn't like it isn't about like this gormless Oh she
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: just dominates over me. No, there is. It comes within
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: a context that the man is supposed to also love
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: his wife as he loves his own body, and protect
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: and provide for her as Christ protected and provided for
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: the church. So all of that is missing when she
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: talks about, oh men, just let dominance. No, that's you
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: with your narrative that men are criminal, born criminal, You
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: just want dominance.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, all right. What these pundits are nudging us
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: to do, ever so politely, is except that women in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: the main are accustomed to being a little degraded, a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: little underpaid, and ignored and dampened in their ambition in
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: ways that men are not and never will be.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, wait, this is from the woman who
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: said why should men have anything? Why should there be
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: any unique value ascribed to men? That isn't also ascribed
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: to women, and of course a bunch of values to women,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: like not being horrible criminals that men don't have, Like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: she has the audacity to lecture people about degrading when
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: she exists again in a philosophical framework that regards men
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: as criminal for being born men and refuses to acknowledge
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: any unique value that masculinity brings the world. Okay, I have.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: The female coded person na borrow Krugman's terminology. May feel
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed by childcare costs, a shame that she can't acquire mortgage,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: or hollowed out by long hours as an ICU nurse,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: but such feelings do not disturb the order of the universe.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you need a man. This person's duties to protect, provide,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: and procreate are real, but they do not take the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: capital p This person's opinions matter, but not decisively. The
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Times pundit Ezra Kleine has lately suggested that Democrats consider
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: running an anti abortion candidates in red states, even though
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: more than three quarters of gen Z women support abortion rights.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Rights like jobs can be gender coded, and these rights
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: are valued accordingly. So she's getting a little bit into
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: like policy stuff. But abortion is not a right, by
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: the way, anyway, they're going to keep saying it is,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: but it's not. Okay, Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Uh okay, So yeah, let's just keep going because I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: just find it astounding that she won't even allow that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: there's any unique value to men or masculinity. And then
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: she insists on saying that these people are though, and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: it's not even the right, it's not even the far right. Guy.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Then we're talking about the centrist manosphere, which they just
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: magic out of nowhere. They are the ones who are
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: denigrating women. This woman who refuses to acknowledge any value
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: for masculinity or maleness, none whatsoever. And she's the one
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: saying that that that the centrists are denigrating women by
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: even focusing on men at all, and that that that
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: attitude can only be explained by her having a political
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: access or axes or axis yes, axis okay, where one
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: one side. One side is recognition of men's value and
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: that they're part of the solution, or that men have
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: value period. The middle is recognizing that men are a problem,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: but they could be part of the solution, and her
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: side is men are only a problem and can never
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: be part of the solution and have nothing unique to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: as men are completely illegitimate. Men are born criminal, thus
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: completely illegitimate. That explains this entire article. That framework.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I mean you need dad, Galloway, who
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: has two sons, said on a recent podcast, Oh my God,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: the humanity a father. The nuclear family, he imagines, seems
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: to be one in which the mom is a default parent,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: while the necessary dad is the authority figure to whom
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: mom can appeal as the occasion demands. Wow, that's you.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: You extracted a lot from three words. There are certain
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: moments when my partner needs me to weigh in, Galloway explained,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the depth of my voice,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: my physical size. Boys, he went on, begin turning boys,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: he went on, begin turning out out their mom over
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: time her. By the way, these quotation marks are mess like,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: I she it's all wrong, but anyway, look at it. No,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: look because the word boys be in quotes, but it's not.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: It's outside the quotes.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: So that's yeah, No, I understand. Okay, the grammar is questionable.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Excuse One might wonder how boys lose these frequencies in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: the first place. One might long for a deep voice
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: to explain it. But this is like there's some truth here,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: because you know, there's like a viral, a notoriously viral
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: video of a little Asian boy I think he's Asian
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: or Latino or something, and he's throwing a tantrum because
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: his mom is something go to bed and he doesn't
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: want to go to bed. And then the father comes
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: in the room and tell them to go bed once
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: and he goes to bed right away. Now, I don't
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you could you know what the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: reasoning for that might be. But there's definitely something to it,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Like a father does bring something to the family that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: is unique. You know that the mother can't really substitute.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: But one might say that one.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Might wonder how boys lose these frequencies in the first place.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: They lose them because they want to find out who
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: they are and what their worth is. But you can't
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: acknowledge the legitimacy of anything beneficial about men or boys
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: like and this is the thing. If a woman can't
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that, does she deserve the benefits of it? Yeah,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: you got to really ask yourself that.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, in a boys of men reeves a fellow
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: at the Brookings Institution draws on the work of the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: late British sociologist Jeff Deunch, who positive that the fundamental
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: weakness of feminist analysis is its failure to see that
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: men may need the status of the main provider role
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: to give them a sufficient reason to become fully involved
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: and stay involved in the longer term draggy business of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: family life.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, no, and this, this is this is Jeff Dench's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: giving feminism too much credit. Okay, he's he's framing men
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: as a problem if they don't have this identity when
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: feminism itself is a massive problem. It is a massive
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: breach of ethics. Okay, you don't declare half the human
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: race to be born criminal, that's you genesist talk. It
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: is a massive ethical breach, and that is the biggest
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: problem of feminism. So there's nothing to do with how
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: feminism goes up against traditional gender roles. But again, Jeff
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Dench is framing men is the problem, and feminism is
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: failing to manage men correctly. No, feminism is a blight
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: upon the human psyche in and of itself. This problem
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: isn't That isn't managing men correctly. Okay, keep going right.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: And Reeve's co signs of fly side economist George Gilder's
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: hypothesis that once wives become both provider and procreator, their
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: husbands become exiles in their own homes. Reeves mostly rejects
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Guilder and Densch's line of reventiist reventist patriarchy, but he
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: credits them for correctly correctly diagnosing the dangers of enemy
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: and detachment among men stripped of their traditional role in
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: an age when two out of every five households have
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: a female primary breadwinner, No one seems to know what
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: fathers are for. Reeves has said one in six fathers
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: does not live with any of his children. One study
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: found that thirty two percent of non resident fathers had
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: minimal contact with their children within one year of separating
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: from their children's mother, and that within eight years this
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: number rose to fifty five percent.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but because because they're losing custody. Yeah, all right,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: so the dangers of a detachment among men's traduced. Okay, Well,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: cheered parenting fixes that, like, we already know the practical solution,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: just shared parenting, which feminist sup oppose because they oppose
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: any initiative that actually treats men like human beings instead
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: of a problem. Okay, that's next paragraph.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Eryinks gave us a super chat for five dollars and says,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: we all know men aren't worth anything. Guys, we're fundamentally
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: worth the few seconds it takes for us to help
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: create another human No.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: You're worth a lot. Okay, good, that's good.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Sarcast Molson. Come on all right. Reeves frets that fatherless
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: homes will beget more lost boys, more twenty something men
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: living in their childhood bedrooms, and more fractured families if
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: we do not update our obsolete model of the breadwinner father,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: he warns, we will continue to see more and more
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: men being left out of family life. As for what
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: authority has decreed that these absent fathers should be left
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: out of their own families, Reeves never says the culprit's
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: identity is shrouded and passive voice. Nor does Reeves explain
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: how women's attainment of economic independence would cause their husbands
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: to be stripped of anything much less than many non
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: economic aspects of being a spouse or parent.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: No divorce law does that shared parenting the end? Yeah,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: like this, there's a solution. We don't need to philosophize.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: We don't need to conjecture, we don't need to put
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: cast the villain in passive voice. We just need to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: universally applied shared parenting and stop listening to feminists and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: their bosom buddies the divorce lawyers. Okay, nextperic The.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Notion that fathers wander away from their families owing to
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: some gnawing sense of existential dislocation, some humiliating certainty, certainty
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: of their own uselessness or urcipation, is especially pungent when
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: one takes into account the enormous gender gap in housework
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: and child rearing in heterosexical marriages. So that's why okay.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: According to the Gender Equity Policy Institute totally not biased source, guys,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: mothers who work full time do almost twice as much
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: household labor as fathers. Researched by the Nobel winning economist
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Claudia Golden has suggested that married men's dis inclination towards
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: housework and other draggy business of family life maybe holding
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: back birth rates, which should peak the interest of Republican
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: pro natalists such as Jadie Vance.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going into I'm going into this, Brian,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: because this is a whole bunch of fucking bullshit.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: First of all, again, this guy made men out to
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: the bee the problem. The real problem is that women
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: don't want to don't want to marry and have children
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: with men who are not providers. And the other real
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: problem is that an equitable distribution of household chores is
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: actually associated with a higher divorce risk. So women will
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: say they want that, but apparently they only want to
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: just feel resentment over that because if they get it,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: they divorce the man. All right, So these solutions are
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: no solutions whatsoever. The one solution is shared parenting, period,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: that's what we should be promoting, or don't get divorced.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: But that shared parenting actually reduces the rate of divorce,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: so might actually, over time considerably reduce the rate of divorce.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: And also that would ensure that men don't lose contact
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: with their children over time. But so this is all
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: all bullshit, even the start of this. Because Reeves is
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: just some random duty she found, doesn't mean that he
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: has anything like what he's saying is empirically sound, which
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: it isn't. Again, how are men being disaffected from their
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: families when they aren't able to start them because women
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: want a provider and men aren't earning enough to be
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: in that role at this time. Right, that there's nothing
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: to do. This is all driven by women's choices, which
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Reeve himself is refusing to acknowledge to the full extent,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: even though this woman is reading it into what he's
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: saying anyway, because he's the soft misogynist manosphere center, which
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: is just soft misogyny according to her or something. All right, so,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: but that all of this is wrong. Men aren't going
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: getting into relationships because they don't have enough funds to
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: be regarded as providers by the women who want to marry,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: who would marry them otherwise. Period, They're getting divorced because
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: they lose their their their status as provider, they don't
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: have equitable custody arrangements and laws, they lose access to
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: their children. Okay, household equitable, equitable division of household tasks
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: unfortunately is associated with divorce. The only way to change
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: that is to, I guess, get women not to regard
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: men as doing household tasks as being not alpha and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: not not sufficiently strong for them. Right, So, it seems
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: like women want men more to refuse to do household
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: tasks than they want them to actually do them. Okay,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: so none of this is correct, Starting with Reeves blaming
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: men from feeling exiled from their families. What families? And
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: who is doing the exiling? Is it really the man
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: just wandering off? Is like, Oh, I don't want to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: make enough money, so I'm just gonna wander off into
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: the weeds. Or is it the woman initiating divorce? Again, nobody,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: everybody here is just dancing like a bunch of imps
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: around the actual thing that's happening. They're they're they're just
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: spending all of their time dancing around it because they
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: don't have the fucking balls to blame women and and
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: or even just just be like, yeah, women can be
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: also to blame. We can't do that. And it's because
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: of the gigantic oversized influence of this ethically bankrupt feminist
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: narrative that men are crimpborn criminal and everybody has to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: dance around that. Everyone has to tithe mentally to that,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: and women in particular, because they have to lose certain
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: cognitive functions so they can continue to be a puppet
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: of it. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: So I only got about fifteen minutes before I have
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: to go pick Lindsay up and just let you know.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're almost yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Like, do you want me to just finish this article? Then?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could finish this article. I think, Well, okay,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: let's give you like a quick update on South Korea.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: Everything is screwed.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: We could like go through the South Korea thing on Friday.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if we have something else
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: in mind.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: But we have and take a moment, like we just
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: need to point out the finding. Right, So let's let's
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: try to get as far as we can into this,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: because all right had more meat than I thought it would.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the deeper one sinks into our nation's alleged man
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: boy problem and its potential solution, she said dismissively. The
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: more the women reader may begin to feel something stronger
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: than resentment or intellectual disdain, she may begin to feel
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: a chauvinistic gratitude in her sex. The familiar flatness of
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: feeling a little degraded seems preferable to the anger, entitlement,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: and alienation that we are told over and over gnaws
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: away at so many male specimens. What a gift is
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: really to have no choice in the matter to have
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: to move out of your parents' home to show up
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: for your shift to change the diaper, not because of
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: any of it is gender affirming, but because life is
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: full of tasks that need doing and you are the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: person who doesn't. At least then you know who you are.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: What the fuck does this even mean?
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: The deeper resents that men have problems like that. People
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: even pointed out.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: That the more the woman reader may begin, fuck off,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: you don't speak for me, wi lobotomy sister. She'd be
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: able to fill a chauvinistic gratitude in her sex. Because
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: life is full of tasks that need doing and you're
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: the person who does them. So what is it to
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: have to move to have to move out of your
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: parents' house. I don't think your parents are forcing you out.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: I think you have the means to move out of
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: your parents' house, and probably because your boyfriend is paying
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: your bills or a good portion of you to show
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: up for your shift so you have a job. Isn't
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: that empowerment? You don't. Men don't have a job. They're
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: just homeless or stuck in their parents' basement to change
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: the diaper. So you have access to your children, not
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: because any of it is gender for me, because life
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: is full of tasks that need doing so because you
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: have the responsibilities associated with what we consider success and privilege.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: You are the victim, but you're not just the victim.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: You're the victim of being encouraged not to feel like
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: the victim. This is this paragraph is a lobotomy talking. Yeah,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: let's keep going. I think we're at four lefts, so
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: let's just blaze through it.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Right. Reading Galloway, one gets the sense that men last
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: knew who they were about seventy five years ago, much
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: as the Trump administration does when it vows to revive
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: the coal industry, or when it shares fascist light iconography yawn,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: that would be at home in a Paul Werhoven film,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: I mean the one that never mind. Galloway appeals to
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: the readers nostalgia from mid century peak male. It was
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: young men, he reminds us, who stormed the beaches at
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Normandy and who won the Battle of the Bulge. When
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Germans or Russians are streaming over the border or firing
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: from the beach, Big dick energy isn't just a nice idea,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: it's fucking mandatory. Of course, the German soldiers were young
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: men too, and it isn't clear which border Galloway thinks
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: the Russians were crossing, or if he realizes which side
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: they were fighting for. So she's just being a bit pedantic,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, being pedantic. I don't think she's really recognizing, because again,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: you have to remember, this is lobotomy talk. I don't.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: First of all, that wasn't big dick energy, Like you
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: actually read the stories of soldiers.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what that stuff was like, Yeah, it's it's
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: not glorious just because you know, people who'd never seen
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: action made movies about it.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It is a horrifying thing, and it is
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: a result of men's willingness to put themselves in harm's
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: way to protect others. So men literally endure hell on
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: earth because they have that instinct to do so to
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: protect others. Has nothing to do with big dick energy.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Fucking more on. Sorry that just released.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: At Okay, No, it's okay. It's being dismissive. It's purposeful.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Galloway also singles out two monumental building projects of the
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Great Depression as bygone proof of men's capacity for collective effort,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: incredible bravery, risk taking, aggression and sacrifice. One was the
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: construction of the Hoover Dam. Oh sorry, go ahead.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, just continue fish.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: We're gonna well, I know, we're gonna learn that women
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: had it worse. That's what this whole thing is about.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: One was the construction of the Hoover Dam, during which
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Galloway points out scores of laborer's died of heat exhaustion
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: or carbon monoxide poisoning. The other was the Empire State Building.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Construction began in nineteen thirty, an end of the year later,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: under budget and ahead of schedule, Galloway notes approvingly. He
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: does not add that the skyscraper went up so fast
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: and so cheaply in part because New York City was
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: filled with men who would work for next to nothing
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: under ruling even lethal conditions, because the implosion of global
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: capital had buried wages and organized labor beneath it. Perhaps
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: these dire conditions only burnish the men's heroism.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: So men are the problem.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to make this about because the thing is, like,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: you can say, men were paid next to nothing, but
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: they still were willing to do it. Yes, they wanted
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: to do it and they use it to support their families.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: We were in a great depression. There was nothing that
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: you could do to change that. They had to get
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: through it. So those that's what some men did. And
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna poo poo that because you don't want
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that men were doing for something. They were
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: trying to be productive and helpful. Instead, you're like, well,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: that's because of the capitalism men positions. It's not meno that,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: let's something else.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: No, it's because men did this to men. Men did
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: this to themselves, so that we can't have any kind
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: of gratitude for the and do boring sacrifice of men
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: because men did it to themselves. You know, and I
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: agree like Galloway, saying that this is big dick energy
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: is absolute bullshit. Where the but anyway, this is men's
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: willingness to endure hardship for their families in order to
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: support and protect and provide them for them. Right that
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: that is an incredible testament to what men are and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: that cannot be taken away from them at all. I mean, conservatives,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: no offense, will try to take this away from men
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: by saying, oh, society is producing weak men or no
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: society could not possibly at all prepare young men for
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: World War One or World War two. Society had nothing
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: to do with the fact that men stood up to
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: the circumstances and fought on both sides, both sides being
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: used to solve a political crime, a political problem that
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: people felt what they were incapable of doing peacefully. So
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: men lost their lives to solve a political problem, just
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: like they lose their lives to solve a problem of
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: building a dam or building a skyscraper. Right, this is
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: these political problems are not created by men. They're created
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: by societies in conflict, resource systems in conflict. They're much
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: bigger than men. They're even bigger than the politicians, the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: male politicians who are trying to deal with the problem.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Our economies are bigger than all of that. Right, So
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: this is a manifestation of men's willingness to step into
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: the breach and endure hardship and sacrifice themselves for the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: sake of others. It's an emerging property, and we can
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: abuse it by using them to solve political problems which
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: women are equally responsible for, or we can honor it
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: and try to create a society where we need to
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: rely on it as little as pots and recognize that
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: it isn't society that makes men like this. It's men
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: who make men like this. It is an inheritance of
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: their very biological nature. So conservatives are wrong. This isn't
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: big Dickie. I don't I don't know if conservatives would
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: say this.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know anservative. This was like he's another liberal.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, I'm just sing.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: From my impression.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: I know that the.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Weak times create we strong men, et cetera. They're wrong
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: when they say it's society that makes men. It's men
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: who make societies, and we need to honor that. And
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: none of this is honoring that. And what's really interesting
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: to me is what she says in the last two paragraphs.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and read that she fundamentally understands everything.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By coincidence notes, I Being a Man is being
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: published in the same month as Glenn Kurtz's Men at
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Work The Empire State Building and The Untold Story of
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: the crafts Men who Built It, which adds biographical details
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: and dimensions to Lewis Hine's heroic photographs of the skyscraper's
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: construction process. Most of the names of these laborers are
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: not known, at least in part because they were seen
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: not as men but as hands Kurtz writes, as something
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: less than complete people, or at best as embodiments of
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: generalities and abstract ideals, such as those as spous in
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Galloway's book For All We Know, These men too felt
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: that the system was fundamentally broken and rigged against them.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: But they are long dead and largely anonymous, and so
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: they can be whoever we want them to be.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they did see that, but they still went
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: to work to protect and provide for their families, because
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: that's in men's nature to take risks and make sacrifices
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: to benefit others, even at the cost of their own lives.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: And we have relied on that to get to the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: point where we are at. I don't know why she
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: thinks this pair of contradicts recognition of that essential nature
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: of men. Yeah, let's read the last time.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: Kurtz unearths what he can of their lives, and he
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: finds plenty of evidence of what today we might call
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: men in crisis, deaths of despair, dislocation, and broken families dependency.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: A carpenter named Finn Egeland who was thirty years old,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: either jumped or fell from the Empire State Building as
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: construction was wrapping up. His death was ruled a suicide.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Another carpenter, Matthew McKean, had abandoned his wife and two
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: children back in their home country of Scotland, and a
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: stone setter in his twenties named James Kerr was still
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: living with his mother.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: So she's basically just saying, I'm going to take away
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: your heroic narrative about these men from the past. You
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: men are nothing because you're vulnerable and you have things
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: that harm you and you still go to work despite it.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: This is a like, this is gross. You see what
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: she's doing here, right, Yeah, she thinks this takes away
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: men's heroism. Of course, there's that little one where the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: man supposedly abandoned his wife and child, abandoned or went
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: to get work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and well, there's a lot of it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of weird assumptions to make because you just said that
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  Speaker 1: nobody knows these guys' names. Yeah, Like we either don't
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  Speaker 1: know them or they're awful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or or or they're pathetic. Right, they're not part
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  Speaker 2: of masculinity because they endured lives of quiet desperation to
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: make someone else provided and protected for what? What the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: fuck does she think that she's I should stop swearing
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: so much, but this is just so infuriating. What does
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  Speaker 2: she think? What point does she think she's making? She
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  Speaker 2: honest I think she honestly thinks that when she says, oh,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: the extreme right, manhood is about uh performing dominance. And
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: she thinks that saying this stuff, describing these vulnerabilities is
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: a gotcha against the manisphere yep, because she thinks that
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: men can only be admired when they are infinitely tough
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: in alpha. She's really revealing a lot about her psychology
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: and not so much about her opponents, except for Scott,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: this Galloway fellow with his big dick energy and all
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: this other nonsense. Why isn't that when progressive men always
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: try to pretend to appeal to anybody else in the mamisphere,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: they always go with the big, swinging dick energy. Why
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: don't you go with recognizing that men have been vulnerable
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: throughout all of human history, and yet they have stepped
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: up and still saw themselves in terms of service to
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: like They've still stepped up and protected and provided for others.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: The great heroism of these men is not that they
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: were invulnerable or impervious, or that they had big dick energy.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: It's because they suffered and they still took it upon
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: themselves to try to make someone else's life better. Right,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: And I don't think this woman understands that in the slightest. Okay, nah,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: he does well. The lobotomy sisters has a lobotomy sister
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: has weighed in on the situation of men. Okay, let's
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: go through the Twitter really quick, if possible? Is it possible?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I got like five minutes because I
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: gotta get like I'm going to the gym, so I
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: gotta change clothes and then I gotta go pick her up.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: So but all right, so, uh, this is just the
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  Speaker 1: Is there a link to the original article?
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I believe, I believe, Yeah, I got it right here. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So male students. This was shared by Brandon Warmck and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: he says this is from fire. Fire is the Uh
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: it's like the freedom I forget what it's called, but
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: it's like a college organization. But anyway. Fire dot org
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  Speaker 1: shared this article. Male students show more tolerance for political
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: enemies than females. Show for their own allies. We we
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  Speaker 1: just saw that in the in the article we just read.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, hell, like, that's a lot of lack of tolerance.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: You you you're like literally, she's basically saying that any
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: any male feminist or progressive men and who in any
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: way engages with the issues of men is part of
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: the manisphere and part of her enemy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and an enemy. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Men can only be seen as the problem, and they
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: can only be seen as criminal. They can't be seen
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: as having inherent worth in the in her cosmology. Okay,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: let's let's read. Let's take a look at this. I mean,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: it's mostly just a bunch of graphs that are interesting.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: So all right, all right, hold on, just okay, got it.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: So suppose you're a democratic socialist has been invited to
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: speak at a college campus. Who do you think would
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: be more likely to try to silence you? A left
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: leaning woman or a right wing man. I think that's obvious.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: It may be reasonable to assume someone with similar ideology
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: would be more tolerant of your views, but new data
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: by fire suggests that that's not the case. Amazingly, it
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: turns out men are often more tolerant of the opposite
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: side than women are of their own amazingly. Yeah, amazing
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: not amazingly, not at all surprising, because there's like another
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: study that's currently being worked on that is finding so
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: it's not finished yet, but I think this is going
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: to bear out that women are like far more likely
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: to advocate for violence against their political opponents than men,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Which makes sense because I think women are more likely
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: to advocate for violence because they're they don't they're not
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: connected to the consequences. Yeah, so like they can just
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: advocate for it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I mean even the men who enact
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: the violence know that it's going to end up with
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: consequences to them.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're usually prepared to like go to jail or
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: something or die, Yeah, have to deal with.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: It in the case of first responders.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Let's look a little bit closer at this, all.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Right, do you want me to zoom in it? I can't,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Well I can, I guess I can.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: You can, Well, you can take a look. So apparently
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: the most liberal is or sorry, the most tolerant is libertarian.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think that surprises anyone, but honestly, it pretty
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: much clusters with men on being more more tolerant no
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: matter what kind of political position you have, except for
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: some haven't thought much about this. So if you look
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: at the little gray dot, like the little gray circle,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: it down. Yeah, right, you just went over it right there. Yeah,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: that's Men who haven't thought much about this. Well, apparently,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: despite not having any actual position, are really intolerant to
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: other positions. I just thought that was funny. How does
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: that work. I don't believe in anything, but I hate
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: everybody else who believes in something. Maybe that's it.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah, women who
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: haven't thought about this are also the least tolerant. Yeah,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just want everybody to shut up and be censored.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, we can.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: We can all live in the NPC lone opinions.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The data taking from Fire's annual college free speech rankings
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: reveals that overall tolerance for opposing views is low among
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  Speaker 1: both male and female students, but the males consistently display
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  Speaker 1: far more tolerance than females, regardless of their politics. In fact,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: with the exception of male libertarians, who are slightly more tolerant,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: men of all political ideologies are roughly the same level
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: of tolerance as each other. The same is true of women.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: In other words, it's not that liberals are more tolerant
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: that the conservatives or vice versa. Liberal and conservative men are
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: more or less equally tolerant, as are liberal and conservative women.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: It's being a man, liberal or conservative that makes the difference.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: Is being a man a man a number. This is
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: another positive quality in men. And I actually got into
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: it with somebody was saying that maybe it's because testosterone
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: leads to fairness or stuff like that. I don't think
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, and Gropp confirm that testosterone does
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: lead to competitiveness. So I think what it is is
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: not that these men are less competitive than the women.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: It's because they're more willing to risk potential harm and
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: discomfort of other people's ideologies. So they're more willing to
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: risk the potential threat that the other poses to them
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: and in order to upholds system system ethic principles like
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: freedom of speech, and I think that's really critical. You
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: got to really contend with this when you think about
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: how a society needs to be able to evolve with
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: evolving circumstances but also stay true to itself, and you
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: need to be able to have a dialogue between what
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  Speaker 2: I would say is a liberal principle or liberal virtue,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: which is the sacrifice of self doubt, like being able
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: to doubt yourself so that you can evolve in the
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: face of new circumstances. And then you also need the
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: conservative virtue, which is the ability to sacrifice yourself for
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: something other than yourself for duty. And you know lineage
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: and society, right, So these are the two principles that
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: a society needs to have in balance. There are more,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: but these are essentially two that need to have in
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: balance to be able to go forward, to evolve, but
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: stay true to itself at the same time. And in
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: order to have those two principles and balance, you have
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: to have the discussions between people who can don't start
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: to regard the other half as being a danger or
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: wanting to silence them, to regard the other half in
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: terms of tribalism, to be able to accept somebody believing
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: something different than you, but not seeing them as the
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: enemy because of that, and all advanced societies manage this
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: balance for at least a certain amount of time. And
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: you can see why it might be essential for a
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: society to keep the conversation between men, because men will
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: put the dialogue ahead of their own individual interests or
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: tribalistic interest they I think they understand honor better than
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: women too, and they understand a collective purpose, even in
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: the face of somebody who disagrees with them politically. And
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's what's what we're seeing here. And this
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: is a benefit to masculinity. M one of the things
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: that this woman refuses to acknowledge well demonstrating exactly the
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: problem that excessively fist feminized institutions demonstrate, which is sense
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: sensori illness like blue nosing, which hunts relational bullying. And yeah,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: so I just thought that this was interesting. It was
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: a nice counterpoint to what we read. I know that
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: you've got to get going, but you want to put
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: anything in there, Brian.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: No, I think that's good. Yep, I'm.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: No, it's not surprising because as women's participation, for example,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: in academia, has grown, so is their censorship. Right now,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a way to balance it
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: out and make it so that women can participate without
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: changing the climate so much that it ends up destroying
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: that the institutions that they participate, you cannot, like, you
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: can't have progress without debate and disagreement. And if women
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: regard debate and disagreement as a reason to throw people
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: out of the organization and shut them down, then how
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: do you manage to maintain the necessary debate and agreement
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: in a feminized institution. You can't. And I don't know
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: if if we got rid of all this feminist narratives
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: that give women the impression they don't have to listen
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: to men. They don't have to understand men the virtues
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: that men represent. They don't even have to recognize that
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: masculinity adds anything of note or worth to the world.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we got rid of that, if we
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: could improve this. But well, we'll see if we see
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: we'll see if what we talk about ever gets a
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: mainstream acceptance and we start questioning this massive ethical breach
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: that feminism represents. All Right, so I got it. I
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