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Podcast FEAR · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  coming up oh my god that can lead to some sort
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  of possession yeah fuck this fuck them fuck everything
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  fuck you when's the podcast starting right now
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  oh perfect um it actually started last week because
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  in last week's podcast episode we talked about
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  kind of crafting the scariest possible solo investigation
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  imaginable and by the way if that episode gets
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  400 listens by september 1st 2026 we will follow
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  through and make it a reality if you want this
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  to happen you actually got to like try to share
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  this podcast out to people and be supportive
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  of us in a torturous way because we don't want
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  this but also hey i mean you don't you don't
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  have to listen to that episode too like it's
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  fine if you skip that one But let me know because
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  then I'll listen to it an extra time. I got an
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  extra Spotify account. Brianna already said she's
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  not going to listen intentionally because she
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  doesn't want to get to 400 listens. So I'm going
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  to listen to it again on Spotify. But yeah, just
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  let me know. You don't have to listen to it.
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  I'll listen to it again. But anyways, if you
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  want to know the context of why we bickering
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  about this previous episode. I was going to say
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  go listen to it, but maybe not. Who knows? Depends
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  who you ask. Point being, we crafted the scariest
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  possible outcome for a solo investigation. But
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  I have a question to ponder. Because that was
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  all fun and games, talking about the scariest
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  possible solo that may or may not become a reality.
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  Now we've got to get serious for a second. Because,
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  like everything, you have the serious, you have
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  the fun. Last time was the fun, now it's the
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  serious. Every time we post something paranormal,
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  and we show a natural, genuine reaction, maybe
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  we get startled. Maybe we say, oh my god. Angela
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  loves to say, dude. Dude. Anytime. Say it again.
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  Dude. Yes. Every time she says, dude, someone
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  comments on the video saying, do not. Show it
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  fear. You better not show it fear. And then you
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  ask, what do you mean? That was just a natural
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  reaction. Why can't you show or express your
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  emotions? Why aren't you allowed to be yourself?
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  Why aren't you allowed to just be genuine in
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  whatever happens? And then they say, it opens
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  you up to demonic possession. And you know how
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  we feel about the possession tapes. So, I guess
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  we gotta answer the question right now, over
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  the course of this podcast. Is there a danger
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  to being scared and showing fear? Does that open
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  you up or make you more vulnerable to a demonic
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  attack? Welcome to our podcast, where we take
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  deep dives looking at various topics through
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  a paranormal lens. Okay, we're back from the
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  intro. Any thoughts to ponder? So, you're not
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  going to like my answer. Because I want to say
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  yes and no. That was my answer. Oh, okay. Maybe
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  for different reasons, though. But yeah, continue.
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  Okay. So, why yes? In the past, we've talked
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  about, like, um... our episode on like exorcisms
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  and like possession and getting attachments and
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  that sort of stuff that vulnerable state is what
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  can lead or a state similar is what can lead
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  to some sort of possession or attachment like
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  that that being said not all things that you're
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  going to experience during investigations because
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  of your heightened sense of fear are going to
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  be an attachment or possession or demonic in
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  any way and it literally could just be your fear
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  and it is more than likely just your heightened
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  awareness that's causing you to have the reactions
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  so it's a yes and no because yes you could be
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  more open but it's a no because you may not actually
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  be having these crazy experiences you just are
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  having a heightened adrenaline making you seem
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  like you're having more things happen so you're
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  more heightened aware of your surroundings too
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  when you're scared so i feel like you will see
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  more things yeah or not see but experience more
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  things i mean you're more likely to get spooked
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  by your own shadow and then when you can't replicate
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  it uh go away thinking it was a ghost because
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  you were scared as opposed to i mean how many
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  times do you do a double take in broad daylight
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  getting spooked by your own shadow and then you
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  walk away because it's broad daylight randomly
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  and you don't think anything of it like the context
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  matters if you're in a dark spooky attic and
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  that happens and you're already scared you're
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  gonna probably trick yourself into or convince
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  yourself that was a ghost yeah we've definitely
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  all had that happen Where in hindsight, we're
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  like, okay, there's probably nothing. But in
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  the moment, we were convinced it could have been
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  something. You have to kind of like talk yourself
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  down from the experience because context does
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  matter. My other caveat and why I would say no
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  is because we talked recently, I think it was
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  in the AI episode, about if fear of AI can like
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  feed AI, like if it's an egregore, if that egregorical,
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  which is a word. We didn't make up, but we kind
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  of fell in love with that. If AI is an egregore,
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  can our fear of it feed it? Essentially, can
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  fear feed egregores? And we kind of said no,
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  because in your words, people aren't really scared
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  of AI. They were more angry of it. And we're
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  kind of talking about, like, is fear more powerful
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  than anger when it comes to egregores and stuff?
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  And what we determined, at least at the time,
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  was... That we all kind of thought, like, all
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  these emotions have equal, I don't know, strength
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  or, like, energy when it comes to this stuff.
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  So, my mindset applying it to this conundrum
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  is, if I show fear, or if I get spooked, really,
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  how is that any different than if I go into an
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  investigation? Because who knows how I felt leading
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  up to it, what happened earlier in the day, in
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  the week, if I'm stressed. If I'm just stressed,
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  if work is stressful, if I had an argument with
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  someone before, if I'm angry. how does that have
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  like i don't think that has any less of an impact
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  you know i feel like anger i feel like sadness
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  we've all been gotten unexplained sadness on
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  investigations if we acknowledge that like oh
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  i feel really sad right now does that open you
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  up to a demonic you know what i'm saying like
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  i i just that's kind of where my mind was going
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  of What does that imply about the other emotions?
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  Because if you're saying that fear can open you
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  up, you're also. Other emotions can open you
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  up. Yeah. I mean, and I, I do think that's like
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  true, like other emotions can open you up, but
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  I think that's going beyond what we're talking
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  about. Well, but to that point question, we've
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  all. had that, like, sensation in other people
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  too, it's common in paranormal, just, oh my god,
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  I just felt unexplained sadness out of nowhere.
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  Yeah. Should you acknowledge that? If you, in
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  the moment, say that and draw attention to the
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  emotion, are you opening yourself up to whatever's
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  causing that emotion? That's a good question.
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  I never really thought about that. In a paranormal
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  investigator sense, Yes, you should still, like,
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  say it out loud because you want to document
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  it. But in a other sense, in a safety sense of,
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  oh, I don't want an attachment or to draw attention
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  to myself, you probably know. But if you're an
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  investigator, you do want to have those experiences.
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  So you do want to open yourself up. See, this
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  is the point where the yes and no answer kind
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  of falls apart. Who are you in this scenario?
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  Are you the investigator, Bree? Or are you the
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  person that doesn't want that out? Depends on
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  the day. Depends on the day. That's an answer
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  usually resigned for if someone says, what's
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  your favorite song? And you say, depends on the
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  day. Is addressing the unexplained sorrow you're
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  experiencing right now, opening your demonic
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  attachment, depends on the day? Depends on the
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  day. You equate demonic possession to your favorite
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  song? That's the level where, I love this. Depends
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  on the day. Depends on the day. Ask me tomorrow.
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  Ask me tomorrow. angela what about you what what's
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  your what's going through your mind no man um
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  i don't know it may be the energy coming from
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  you because of your fear can make the energy
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  stronger or whatever but i don't know i don't
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  know well that's another point too do we think
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  the energy we put into the paranormal investigation
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  is kind of like a mirror in a way and it comes
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  back like if we're just walking through a haunted
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  place i'll kind of pissy in an attitude, not
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  really paying attention to it, and we're just
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  like, fuck this, fuck that. Do you think, like,
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  that's gonna reflect back? Yeah. I think so,
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  yeah. Yeah, you're not gonna do anything, because
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  the ghosts are also gonna be like, yeah, fuck
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  this, fuck them, fuck everything, fuck you, fuck
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  me. But would that ironically open you up to
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  a possession or a negative experience more, because
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  you're putting out negativity? So is putting
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  out negativity... Maybe worse if it is reflective
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  or is it just... I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking
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  it. But... If you go in... Let's just assume
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  you're going in with a positive attitude. How
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  about that? Because if you're going in with a
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  bad attitude and you're provoking and stuff,
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  we already said we don't agree with provoking
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  and stuff. So... Because I feel like that stuff,
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  if you're intentionally trying to rile it up,
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  if you're intentionally trying to rile it up,
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  it's going to have a negative reaction. And there
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  are consequences. But if you're going in a clean
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  slate and you're just angry at other stuff or
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  you're scared just about the environment. Yeah,
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  it all depends, I guess, on the attitude that
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  you have. Yeah. Like, what specific kind of attitude
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  are you having at the moment? Like, are you being
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  sad? Are you being angry? Are you having a F
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  this attitude? Are you going in with an attitude
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  already believing nothing's going to happen?
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  Are you going in with an attitude believing the
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  scariest shit is going to happen tonight, you
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  know? Well, that's a good point, too. If you
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  believe that everything there is a demon, you're
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  going to encounter a demon. You're going to encounter
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  a demon, yes. Caught on camera. Big O -face.
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  Everyone make their O -face for our little...
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  That's a thumbnail right there. i'm gonna do
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  a big red circle too oh my god everyone knows
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  what we're talking about but if you don't and
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  you need a visual just like look at this podcast
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  like artwork okay um oh so cringy it is cringy
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  it is cringy but if you if you put out that cringy
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  everything's a demon attitude you know what's
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  gonna happen i think i think there is a level
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  to this of we are potentially overthinking it
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  some of it is predictable there is some predictability
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  if you're a negative nancy And you just go in
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  and you're stirring shit up intentionally. What
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  do you think is going to happen? Intention matters.
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  Now, clean slate. You're positive. You have as
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  little bias as possible on how you expect or
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  want the investigation to go. And you just randomly
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  get spooked, right? You are the cleanest of slates.
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  And you just... get rattled and you go, oh my
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  god! Does that... What? That was a sound, Ben.
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  That was a sound. I'm just saying, like, if this
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  is clean slate and you just get spooked randomly,
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  does that instance of fear matter? Is that dangerous?
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  No. I would say no. Yeah. I would say no. Because,
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  like, you're not, you're not in a, I don't, I'm
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  going to say no. But what you're trying to say
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  is, I think there's a difference between you
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  being scared all night and you getting. spooked
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  in an instance yes yes that is that is what i
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  was that is what my brain was thinking but my
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  words were not wording no that's good because
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  i was gonna say this is like another point i
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  was gonna bring up here was clip culture on social
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  media if someone gets spooked by an instance
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  that is what we call clippable so we clip that
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  instance and it gets a lot of views on the internet
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  That is 10 seconds out of 10 hours. That is not
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  a representation of the evening or how we felt
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  throughout the evening. So when someone comments,
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  don't show it fear, it's natural for us to be
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  like, we weren't showing fear. Then if you take
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  a step back, that's all they know about us is
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  we showed fear in that one instance. We got spooked.
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  But that's the entirety of that one clip. unfortunately
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  that's the entirety of some people's perception
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  perception i mean hint hint project fear i mean
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  it says fear in the name right so i mean and
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  their whole their whole thing is fear like yeah
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  you and they're straight up about that like so
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  you can't blame them but still it's just like
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  They get scared all the time. I do love them,
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  but it's just like you do this so often. How
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  are you so scared by like basic ghost hunting
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  stuff like now? Yeah, REM pod goes off, they
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  scream. Should we psychoanalyze this a little
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  bit? Do you think part of it is if you truly
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  believe that fear can heighten the activity,
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  wouldn't you want to always be scared? Just to
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  get more clippable YouTube content. If you're
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  a YouTuber and you have the firm belief, you
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  have fear in your name, you have the belief that
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  fear makes more activity happen, wouldn't you
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  always want to be scared and never change? I
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  was going to say, if you want activity and you
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  believe that being scared is going to cause more
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  activity, then continue being scared. But that
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  comes down to belief. Do we believe? Yeah. Do
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  we share that belief? Do we think that if we
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  go into an investigation and we are scared out
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  of our minds the entire night, that would make
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  for... Like, let's say we're filming. We're making...
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  We're filming two investigations. One that we
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  film, we're scared out of our minds the entire
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  time. The other, we're not. Would the one where
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  we're scared have... I don't know, more activity?
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  Just based on that variable changing? Man, this
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  is a hard question. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
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  either. Yeah, I'm not sure. If we change one
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  variable, only one, and it's that we are scared
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  one night, we are not scared, and like, seriously
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  scared the entire night. I don't know. I don't
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  know. I want to say... gut instinct and this
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  this was an impromptu question i didn't plan
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  this before so i'm in the same boat as you guys
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  i want to say it's that same getting spooked
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  by your own shadow thing where in the moment
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  you perceive it as the craziest night ever and
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  then the next day you look back and realize nothing
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  actually happened you're just psyching yourself
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  out that's what i want to say well do you think
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  in that case If you are scared out of your mind
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  and the adrenaline is rushing and everything,
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  do you think you are contaminating the investigation?
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  Hmm. I... Hmm. I feel like there's just not really
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  a yes or no answer to any of these. I feel like
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  I want to say no. Like, I don't think you'd be
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  contaminating the investigation because, I mean,
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  what is the point of doing a paranormal investigation?
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  It is to find out if the place is haunted or
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  if there are ghosts or what have you, your goal.
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  Yeah. So to have, be spooked, be scared, and
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  potentially have that. ramp up activity or make
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  something interact with you that's further proving
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  the point of your investigation so i mean true
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  i wouldn't say it would be a contamination it
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  would be a potential additional benefit that's
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  probably not the right words i like how you put
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  it makes sense Unfortunately, there's two cons,
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  though, that I can think of. One is if you are
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  scared out of your mind, I know from experience,
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  the footage and you're filming, the footage is
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  going to be shaky because you're shaking. So
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  there's one con. Yes. Another con is if you are
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  freaking out the whole time, thinking that everything
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  around you is 10 times scarier than it is and
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  that everything is a demon. You are opening yourself
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  up to the only thing worse than demons, Facebook
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  trolls. You get comments like this from, this
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  was, I actually got this notification. This was
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  a year ago today we got this comment. It's from
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  Justin. He says, supernatural shit like this
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  is fake. It's all in your head 100%. I don't
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  really care what you think your experiences,
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  in quotes, are. And then someone responded to
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  Justin named D. And D said to Justin, does your
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  ass still hurt? And then Justin responded to
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  D. Yeah, bro, so bad. Still recuperating. What
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  are you, 11? And then D responded, no, just 10
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  inches. And then they started having a whole
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  argument. And then the video got half a million
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  views because they were arguing. You gotta love
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  the people who argue. That's what gets a lot
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  of views. Yeah, please argue under last week's
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  episode um justin d oh yes let's let's take send
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  them send them yeah let's like take them in the
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  comments or something and then you just let it
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  roll from there just under last week's episode
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  i tagged justin and d saying hey how's your ass
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  feeling now it's been a year But, like, not as
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  crossroads of curiosity, like, as my personal
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  accountant over, like, who the fuck is this?
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  Oh my god. Who is this random man? But if you
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  don't acknowledge, like, vibes or feeling spooked,
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  you don't get comments like that, you know what
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  I mean? So... Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you show
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  a bunch of fear and your adrenaline is amped...
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  And then someone responds to you, it's all in
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  your head. What do you really say to that? Like,
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  there comes a point, I'm not talking about us.
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  I'm talking about people that are just like the
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  big screamers and they're always scared and everything's
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  a ghost. And someone says to them, it's all in
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  your head. Like, there comes a point, I think,
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  where you got to evolve past a state of perpetual
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  fear. Just my two cents. because that's the only
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  way you truly know if it's in your head or not
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  yeah i mean i feel like we're getting to that
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  point like there's like we go to investigations
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  and it's just like we're not scared constantly
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  i'm not brie are you scared constantly not constantly
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  no i definitely get spooked yeah like we're just
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  telling sometimes and i feel like that really
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  helps with like being more aware of what's actually
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  happening. I think that's good. I like how we
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  differentiated getting spooked from having fear
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  of ghost hunting. We don't have a fear of ghost
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  hunting. You can get spooked by it, though. Yeah.
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  But I guess Project Spooked doesn't have a good
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  ring to it. I'm totally naming this episode Podcast
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  Fear. I hope that's not already taken. That's
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  funny. That's really, really good. On that note,
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  any final thoughts? No, I think we all kind of
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  wrapped it in a nice little bow. Yeah. I do have
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  a confession. Oh, no. I'm scared. What is it?
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  I'm scared of ending this episode. You're gonna
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  cause paranormal activity. Well, that's dangerous
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  in your guys' apartment. I'm scared of ending.
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  Don't let Annabelle know you're scared. Don't
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  let Annabelle know. Don't let her know. She can
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  smell it, Ben. She can smell the whiskey. That
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  reminds me though of like when we go live on
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  TikTok and the amount of people who are like,
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  don't show fear, they'll know. And I'm just like,
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  well, they're also like our roommates and they
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  know us good enough. So they would know if we're
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  actually like scared or not. And believe me,
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  we're not scared right now. It's okay. All the
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  ghosts in the apartment, they don't engage in
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  clip culture. You know why? They died in the
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  19th and 20th century. That we know of. It could
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  be a 2000 ghost. Either way, it was pre -TikTok,
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  so they know us for who we are. They don't watch
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  10 seconds and think we're scared. Yes. I mean,
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  that's another reason why we started this podcast.
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  We're anti -clip culture, so next time someone
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  says, you guys shouldn't show what fear, I will
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  respond with a link to this episode, and I guarantee
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  none of them listen, because they don't have
• 25:03
  the attention span to listen to something more
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  than a minute long. Hey, you can't insult our
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  people. I know, but I'm not insulting our people.
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  I'm just saying there's a reason a clip of us
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  screaming gets a million views on TikTok and
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  then us talking about the experience for 20 minutes.
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  No one has time to listen. They're like, eh,
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  it's too long. Well, a million of you watched
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  the clip. It's 20 minutes, audio only. You can't
• 25:34
  get people to... engage in long -form content.
• 25:38
  It's unfortunate, but that's a conversation for
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  another day. Hey, you know what's good, though?
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  It's that people who can engage in long -term,
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  they're the people for us. They're November fans.
• 25:52
  They're the people we want. They are. And if
• 25:54
  you're still curious, last week's episode, we
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  crafted the scariest solo of all time, and instead
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  of 400 people listening by September 1st, we
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  will actually do it. It involves a bat shitting
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  on Brianna's head. Or whoever does the solo.
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  Yeah. Doesn't have to be me, but it will most
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  likely end up being because that's just how it
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  goes. When I suggest something and I'm like,
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  ooh, this would be fun for a solo, I'm always
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  the one who ends up doing it. Go listen to last
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  week's episode. Even if you already heard it.
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  Listen to it again. Okay. Thanks for listening
• 26:41
  to this week's episode of Paranormal Lens. If
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  you liked what you heard, every five -star rating
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  and positive review tells the algorithms we're
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  a worthy podcast and pushes us out to more listeners.
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  We appreciate each and every one of you and we'll
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  see you next Thursday for another paranormal
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  deep dive.