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Credlin | 10 February · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, I was gonna say, good morning, good evening.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Let's see what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The red wall in Victoria comes crumbling down, Victorian Labour's
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  Speaker 3: primary vote plummeting in the Werriby by election. So what
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  Speaker 3: does this say about Premier just Int Alan and the
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  Speaker 3: federal implications. We'll have a look at that shortly my views,
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  Speaker 3: but also Labor Insider the Poulter cos Samaris coming up,
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  Speaker 3: exposing the lie the heart of Chris Bowen's energy election promise.
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  Speaker 3: He won't believe how much wholesale power has gone up in.
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  Speaker 2: Just the space of four years.
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  Speaker 3: Will paint on the way too that he's hoping to
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  Speaker 3: bury before the election. Plus the Prime Minister left scrambling
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  Speaker 3: today after Donald Trump announces tariffs on steel and aluminium.
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  Speaker 3: The PM says he's got a call schedule still two
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  Speaker 3: days away.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin rad a man in Washington. We'll see how that goes.
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  Speaker 3: Plus a point for the start of the city week.
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  Speaker 3: Labor punching down, accusing the Coalition of politicizing and his Semitism, but.
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  Speaker 4: Those of it opposite have taken every opportunity since the
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  Speaker 4: seventh of October twenty twenty three to politicize the trauma
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  Speaker 4: and the experiences of the Jurish people. You're disgusting.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing more serious than the opposition being accused of
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  Speaker 5: politicizing an issue like this.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, my throats giving away.
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  Speaker 3: But first, the weekend's by elections our first good news
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  Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party has had for a long time, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: a poor tent of what could be in store for
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  Speaker 3: Labor federally. The expert commentators will say you can't read
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  Speaker 3: too much into by elections, but these bi elections reinforce
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  Speaker 3: the trends that have been apparent federally since the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister lost the Voice referendum, and in Victoria too since
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Andrew's quit the top job and start to wake
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  Speaker 3: up to the debt bomb and the chaos he left behind.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, despite the spin Mpeace try to put on
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  Speaker 3: things today, a sixteen percent primary vote swing against Labor
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  Speaker 3: in the seat of Werribee and a ten percent two
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  Speaker 3: party preferred swing is a disaster in anyone's language, and
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  Speaker 3: Delib's winning back Paran should be a reminder that you
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  Speaker 3: don't need to outgreen the Greens or out teal the
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  Speaker 3: Teals to hold on to leafy seats because the new
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  Speaker 3: Liberal leader, Brad Batton is not the lefty that John
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  Speaker 3: Perzzuto was, meaning that results on the weekend confirm that
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  Speaker 3: replacing Perzuto was the right move, and so too bringing
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  Speaker 3: back Western Suburbs local while a Deeming into the fold.
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  Speaker 3: Deeming is a rock star out in Melbourne's West.
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  Speaker 2: She grew up there.
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  Speaker 3: It's where she worked as a teacher and as a
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  Speaker 3: local counselor, and it's now where she's raising her family.
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  Speaker 3: New leader Brad bats And was alive to this and
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  Speaker 3: that's why he gave Deeming special responsibility for Werribee. She's
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  Speaker 3: been out there campaigning since Christmas. Baton is a former
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  Speaker 3: policeman like Peter Dutton, so voters extinctively know that he's
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  Speaker 3: on their side in the fight against Melbourne's out of
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  Speaker 3: control street crime. It's why the premier tried to sandbag
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  Speaker 3: the vote last week when she admitted that Labour's bar
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  Speaker 3: reforms had gone too far and that she'd wind them
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  Speaker 3: back clearly, though voters said too little, too late. Like Darton,
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  Speaker 3: Batton has also come out strongly on energy security, saying
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  Speaker 3: that Victoria needs more gas and it's got to exploit
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  Speaker 3: the abundant reserves it has rather than import gas if
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  Speaker 3: we're going to stop electricity prices spiking, and if Victoria
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  Speaker 3: is to hold onto its heavy industry like the Portland spelter.
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  Speaker 3: It's a position that's common sense, I know, but so
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  Speaker 3: different from recent.
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  Speaker 2: State liberal leaders.
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  Speaker 3: As to how all of this is impacting the labor brand,
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  Speaker 3: one of their own, former labor polster caused Samarus Well.
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  Speaker 3: He's scathing. He says, Labor governments have turned their back
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  Speaker 3: on working class voters and the Labour's once great red
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  Speaker 3: wall has turned into a barbed wire fence. It's Labour's
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  Speaker 3: lowest primary vote in history, he says, in a seat.
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  Speaker 3: They hold a seat that for over forty five years
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  Speaker 3: has been a dead red We'll talk to ks about
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  Speaker 3: this in some more detail in a moment, but here
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  Speaker 3: he is warning.
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  Speaker 2: He says, if I.
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  Speaker 3: Were a Labor and p in what was once a
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  Speaker 3: safe seat, he says, I'd be planning my retirement or
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  Speaker 3: treating my electorate as a critical marginal. On these figures,
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  Speaker 3: Federal Labour seats like Aston Chisholm, Dunkley, McEwen and Karankamite
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  Speaker 3: or potentially in play, putting Petered up in sight of
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  Speaker 3: the eighteen seats he needs to gain majority government. Like
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  Speaker 3: Federal Labor, Victorian Premierture sinter Anna al was putting on
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  Speaker 3: a brave face and promising real action, she says, to
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  Speaker 3: address the concerns of voters. Trouble is labor state and
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  Speaker 3: Federal is addicted to higher taxes, more regulation and bigibureacracy
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  Speaker 3: and Alan like Albanesi, is a creature of the hard
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  Speaker 3: left faction, and it's this faction that's dragging labor down
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  Speaker 3: in a death spiral.
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  Speaker 2: It's the hard.
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  Speaker 3: Left that's enthrall to the politics of climate and identity.
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  Speaker 3: And this is what voters now think is hurting their
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  Speaker 3: standard of living and poisoning our society.
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  Speaker 2: And they're not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Expect a nervous Albanesi government to deliver even more handouts
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  Speaker 3: in next month's budget or in the election campaign if
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  Speaker 3: it is preempted, because for most voters this will just
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  Speaker 3: confirm that labor has run out of ideas as much
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  Speaker 3: as they have run out of money your money, as
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  Speaker 3: they just borrow more and more billions from overseas. And look,
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  Speaker 3: yesterday Labor announced a big package of announcements on women's health,
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  Speaker 3: just over five hundred million dollars to put new contraception
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  Speaker 3: scripts on the PBS and menopause drugs HRT as well.
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  Speaker 6: In these areas in women's health, there was unanimous agreement
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  Speaker 6: that not enough had been done, that not enough had
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  Speaker 6: been done in terms of access to good medicines and contraception.
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  Speaker 6: When we're doing all this, of course, because we are
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  Speaker 6: the first majority women government in Australia's history.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, my position on policy is dressed up
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  Speaker 3: to woo the so called female vote. And this is
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  Speaker 3: a perfect case in point. Just listen to this from
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  Speaker 3: Labor Minister Arneka Wells. Let alone the fact that there
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been an oral contraceptive added to the PBS in.
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  Speaker 2: More than thirty years.
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  Speaker 6: I'm in my thirties and come one March, yas and
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  Speaker 6: yasmin will be added to the PBS.
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  Speaker 2: That's the point, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It should not need an election for these things to
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  Speaker 3: get funded. Women are more than half the Australian population.
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  Speaker 3: These items are life changing. They should be funded from
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  Speaker 3: the underlying health budget as a matter of fairness and
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  Speaker 3: medical need, not in some sort of vote buying exercise.
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  Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that men aren't waiting for a
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  Speaker 3: men's health package to get funding for prostate cancer, are they.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have to wait thirty years for viagra to
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  Speaker 3: get on the pbsiither did they.
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  Speaker 2: This is what.
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  Speaker 3: Really does my head in is like, there's a whole
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  Speaker 3: health budget over here built around the needs of men,
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  Speaker 3: and here's a little special package over here for women
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  Speaker 3: that we drag out at election time. As women, we
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  Speaker 3: should not be forced to be grateful for a few
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  Speaker 3: scraps to fall from the funding table. Funding contraception RT
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  Speaker 3: should just happen, just like men's health needs are just funded.
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  Speaker 3: And as much as Labor wanted to crow about this today,
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I'm not going to give a
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  Speaker 3: free pass to a government it doesn't even know what
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  Speaker 3: a woman is. Have a look at this from the
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  Speaker 3: Albanezer government's own health website. It's a program for cervical
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  Speaker 3: cancer screening and it reads cervical cancer is for you.
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  Speaker 3: This is screening if you are a woman or a
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  Speaker 3: person who has a cervix an upset. All right, Let's
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  Speaker 3: go to Cambon now for the headline's Parliament sitting. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: Sky News political reporter Ruven Spargo.
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  Speaker 1: Australian steel and aluminium exports to the United States could
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  Speaker 1: soon face twenty five percent tariffs. Around six hundred million
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  Speaker 1: dollars of the metals are shipped over each year. The
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister says the government is making the case for
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  Speaker 1: an exemption.
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  Speaker 7: I have a discussion President Trump scheduled.
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  Speaker 1: Trump introduced similar tariffs during his previous term. In twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: the Termbal government was able to secure an exemption for Australia.
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  Speaker 1: The leader of the Nationals is calling this a test
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  Speaker 1: for Anthony Alberanzi.
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  Speaker 7: And unfortunately we've got an ambassador there that's made disparaging
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  Speaker 7: comments about the president, and we've got a prime minister
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  Speaker 7: that's made disparaging comments about the President.
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  Speaker 1: At this stage, the escalation of Trump's trade policy will
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  Speaker 1: apply to all countries, with a start date still to
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  Speaker 1: be determined. The Prime Minister says more work needs to
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  Speaker 1: be done to close the gap between Indigenous and non
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians. Eleven of the nineteen National Agreement targets are
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  Speaker 1: improving only five are on track to be met.
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  Speaker 7: Today is about facing up to what's not working and
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  Speaker 7: learning from what is. There's little that we can do
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  Speaker 7: if safety and housing and health and education and employment,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not there For Indigenous Australians.
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  Speaker 1: The government is promising to bring down state grocery prices
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  Speaker 1: in remote communities matching what city consumers pay. Reuben Spargo,
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  Speaker 1: Sky News, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's been a.
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  Speaker 3: Busy couple of days and a very busy weekend in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria with those election by elections in two seats.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get through it all now.
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  Speaker 3: National editor of The Australian, Dennis Shadahan joins me. The
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  Speaker 3: Sky News contributed Chris Hillman as well. Gents, welcome, Let's
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  Speaker 3: start with Question Time. If I can high drama. Today
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition tried to shut down a response from the
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  Speaker 3: Attorney General Mark Drapers, in which he went on to
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  Speaker 3: accuse the Coalition of politicizing anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a little of how it played out.
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  Speaker 4: But those of it opposite have taken every opportunity since
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  Speaker 4: the seventh of October twenty twenty three to politicize the
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  Speaker 4: trauma and the experiences of the Jewish people. You're disgusting.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing more serious than the opposition being accused of
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  Speaker 5: politicizing an issue like this.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: There was an audacious move today from Labour Chris, because
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  Speaker 3: they are the ones, I think universally, if you speak
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  Speaker 3: to the Jewish community, who are regarded as having not
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  Speaker 3: done enough at home, and the voting record in the
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  Speaker 3: United Nations makes it clear that they are the ones
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  Speaker 3: that have junked seven decades of bipartisanship.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I think we discussed this before. One of the things
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  Speaker 9: that we have seen with the Labor Party is it's
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  Speaker 9: moved a very long way from its position on Israel
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  Speaker 9: over time. It used to celebrate the fact that it
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  Speaker 9: was Doc Everitt who really pushed the United Nations to
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  Speaker 9: get the State of Israel up. Australia was one of
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  Speaker 9: the first nations on Earth to vote for the State
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  Speaker 9: of Israel in the United Nations, and for a very
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  Speaker 9: long time, the Labor Party's position on Israel was a
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  Speaker 9: very strong one, and I don't think that any of
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  Speaker 9: us can say that that hasn't shifted over time. It
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  Speaker 9: should have gifted quite dramatically in my lifetime. I think
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  Speaker 9: you'd find that a majority of people really now in
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  Speaker 9: Labour's caucus pro Palestine, and certainly its membership is very
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  Speaker 9: much that way. So Labor finds itself really stuck between
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  Speaker 9: its base, the Greens and its old position, and it
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  Speaker 9: shifted quite a long way, and the Coalition has actually
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  Speaker 9: taken advantage of that. I don't think there's any doubt
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  Speaker 9: about that. But I think the breaking of the two
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  Speaker 9: party position on the state of Israel has been something
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  Speaker 9: that is really deeply disappointing for Australia, certainly for the
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  Speaker 9: state of Israel, and it's been very disturbing for Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go down the Victoria if I can, Dennis those
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  Speaker 3: bar elections on the weekend state bar election seats of
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  Speaker 3: Werribee and Paran. Paran was not contested by Labor, so
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  Speaker 3: that was a seat was predominantly Liberal vote and Green vote.
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  Speaker 3: Weerriby though you know multiplayers there, including a community independent.
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  Speaker 3: I know all the lines. You know, probably wrote them
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  Speaker 3: in my time as well. Oh, it's a state issue,
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  Speaker 3: it's a state bar lecture. There's no federal implications. But
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  Speaker 3: there wasn't a big state issue on the table. There
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  Speaker 3: wasn't big local issues. This, in my view, was a hit.
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  Speaker 2: Squarely on brand Labor.
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  Speaker 3: And given the PM and the Premia are in the
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  Speaker 3: same hard left faction, come on, there's got to be
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  Speaker 3: lessons here for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't there?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, certainly, And I think that I certainly remember the
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  Speaker 7: Penrith by election in June twenty ten, and so does
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  Speaker 7: Kevin Rudd. That was a state labor by election. It
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  Speaker 7: was in the Penrith seat, a stronghold never been lost
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  Speaker 7: by Labor. It was lost after a swing of almost
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  Speaker 7: thirty percent and as a result, a direct result, Kevin
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  Speaker 7: Rudd lost the Prime ministership, The Labor Party was thrown
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  Speaker 7: into disarray for the next four years, and that all
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  Speaker 7: came as the trigger from a state by election. So
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  Speaker 7: state by elections can have horrendous impacts on federal government,
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  Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that. I think that the problem,
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  Speaker 7: as you say, is one of a labor brand issue.
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  Speaker 7: There was no standown state issue in the whereby by election.
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  Speaker 7: I think that they're looking at problems with labor state
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  Speaker 7: and federal and one thing which I find actually even
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  Speaker 7: more interesting than the huge swing in the suburbs against labor.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, if this is replicated at a federal election,
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  Speaker 7: and the election's got to be called within ten weeks,
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  Speaker 7: and so there is not a great deal of room
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  Speaker 7: for improvement for federal labor. But I think that the
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  Speaker 7: Piran result is also interesting because it demonstrates that once
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  Speaker 7: again the Greens are losing out to in this case
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  Speaker 7: the Liberals. But it was partly because an independent Labor
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  Speaker 7: candidate preferenced the Liberals. This is what we may see
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  Speaker 7: in the federal election, and we could see in Brisbane
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  Speaker 7: Ryan and Griffith going one to Labor, one to the
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  Speaker 7: Liberals or whatever whatever it is. It's a problem for
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  Speaker 7: the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't that expose The PM has an opportunity. If he
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  Speaker 3: thinks that the Greens are a cancer on our democracy,
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  Speaker 3: he can preference away from the Greens. He can put
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  Speaker 3: them last on labors how to vote. It would basically
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  Speaker 3: wipe them out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the only.
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  Speaker 3: Reason the Greens survive is this interdependency they have with
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  Speaker 3: Labor on preferences. If he breaks that nexus, I think
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  Speaker 3: the Greens are in real trouble, certainly in the lower House.
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  Speaker 3: So the fact that he doesn't do anything about them, well,
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  Speaker 3: he's whistling dixies and if he says they're a problem.
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  Speaker 7: Well precisely. But Labor can't afford just to across the
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  Speaker 7: board say we're going to put the Greens last. We
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  Speaker 7: know that Labor depends on more seats from the Green
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  Speaker 7: preferences than the Greens rely on for Labor preferences, so
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  Speaker 7: it is very much in Labour's advantage to keep that going.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, what we may see are some individual decisions,
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  Speaker 7: as we saw in Peran, where an independent Labor Party
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  Speaker 7: member runs and draws votes which then go to the
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  Speaker 7: Liberal Party. It could work the same in Western Sydney
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  Speaker 7: where Islamic parties run and the Liberals run as an
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  Speaker 7: independent or further down the ticket. There's a very complicated
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  Speaker 7: deals to be done here, and the major parties really
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  Speaker 7: need to look at the outcome of keeping the Greens
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  Speaker 7: under control.
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  Speaker 2: It's parasitic, that's what i'll call it, Dennis. I'll leave
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  Speaker 2: it there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to you, Chris, because we've got about half
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  Speaker 3: a million dollars spent in recent weeks on online ads
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  Speaker 3: disparaging Peter Darton.
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  Speaker 2: There's a fair bit out on YouTube. Have look at
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  Speaker 2: this one.
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  Speaker 10: These are all cost of living measures introduced by the
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  Speaker 10: federal Labor government. But look who was opposed to every singles.
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  Speaker 9: One of them.
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  Speaker 10: Whichever way you look at it, you'll be worse off
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  Speaker 10: under Dunna.
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  Speaker 2: Chris. We saw on the US election.
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  Speaker 3: You know the Democrats are running Trump ads, the Republicans
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  Speaker 3: are running Trump ads.
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  Speaker 2: It was all about Trump.
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  Speaker 3: The personal attacks Rory I think facted it in by voters.
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  Speaker 3: I have to say I reckon the same thing here.
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  Speaker 3: I mean everyone's actu the Grands, Labor, even the lebs
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  Speaker 3: are all running Dutton ads. But he's been in the
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  Speaker 3: public eye for twenty years. I think people's views on him.
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  Speaker 3: You correct me if I'm wrong, they're pretty much factored in.
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  Speaker 3: And Australians don't like the personal attack.
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  Speaker 8: Or Peter.
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  Speaker 9: It tells you one thing. It tells you that he's
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  Speaker 9: the thing that's on the Labor Party's mind at the moment.
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  Speaker 9: So the Labor Party is obviously scared about Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 9: as an opponent. He clearly is the one they have
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  Speaker 9: to take out in order to make sure that they
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  Speaker 9: secure this election. But one of the things I've got
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  Speaker 9: to say, and you've seen it over time, is that
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  Speaker 9: this constant refrain you essentially get from Labor about Liberal
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  Speaker 9: Party leaders that they're unelectable. Remember John Howard back in
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  Speaker 9: nine to eighty seven the bulletin's front page which said,
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  Speaker 9: mister eighteen percent, why does this man bother? Well, it
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  Speaker 9: took him a lot longer, but John Howard eventually gets there.
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  Speaker 9: You'll remember very vividly that the Labor Party said that
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  Speaker 9: Tony Abbott was unelectable. It turns out that he was
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  Speaker 9: quite electable. In the end. People don't have to like you,
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  Speaker 9: they have to respect you and think that.
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  Speaker 11: You were able to do a job.
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  Speaker 9: And I think the problem with the coalition the Lay
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  Speaker 9: Party has at the moment is that people don't believe
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  Speaker 9: that they're capable of doing the job and they're looking
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  Speaker 9: for an alternative. Now, the problem that the coalition has
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  Speaker 9: got is that if you look at what happened in
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  Speaker 9: the by election on the weekend part he lost seventeen
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  Speaker 9: percent of its primary vote in Victoria, but the Liberal
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  Speaker 9: Party only picked up three point six percent of that.
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  Speaker 9: Now it's spraying all over the board. The coalition is
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  Speaker 9: in a position to make a big shift in this election.
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: It's got a long way to go now, don't forget
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: that the winning number of seventy six. The Lay Party
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: is currently on seventy eight seats and the Liberals and
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: the Nationals are on fifty eight. That is a very
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: big breed to gap. Now it's possible they can make
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: very big inroads, but they have to get their own
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: act together. Yet we've seen Victorians now have picked up
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: their game a bit. But around Australia, I'd say to
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: you one of the really big issues for the Colors
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: has been their internals are hopeless and they have been
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: hopeless and offering people an alternative. Now, if they can
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: offer an alternative and stay well focused throughout the course
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: of this campaign, we could see an historic event. But
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: we're still a long way from it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Look, I'd still say it's possible, not yet probable for
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Dutton majority, but I'd rather be here where the momentum
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: is headed than the other bloke. Just quickly, big job
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: here for Kevin Rudd. I mean Joe Hockey, Dennis Shanahan
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: was able to talk President Trump around in Australia's interest
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the last time he put tariffs on the table.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It's all about Kevin. Now, do you think he can
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: do it?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: I think that the Prime Ministers said he has a
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: share jeweled conversation with President Trump by tomorrow afternoon at
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: our time, and that will be about tariff's. It'll be
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: a big test for Anthony Albernese and for Kevin Rudd
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: as ambassador. What we have seen is President Trump putting
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: huge demands out there. He has then forced world leaders
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: to come to him, and we've seen sometimes that's ended
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: very ugly. We've seen Justin Trudeau basically finished by his
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: inability to deal.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: Or confront Donald Trump.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Now we know Anthony Alberzi has a track record of
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: making extremely embarrassing comments about President Trump when he felt
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: that President Trump was never going to be re elected.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: I mean saying that he frightens the shit out of him.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: For goodness sake, this is the Prime Minister, and yet
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: he now has to get on the phone, go cap
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: in hand and say, as happened the last time with
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump when he threatened to put steel tariff's on
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: Australian steel. He has to now convince him, as Joe
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Hockey and Malcolm Turnbull did last time, to drop those
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: that we are a friend, we are an ally, we
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: have a trade surplus with the US, but of course
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: being an ally didn't help Canada and being an ally
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: may not help Australia even with the Orcus agreement. So
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: I think this is a huge test a few weeks
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: out from the election for the Prime Minister to be
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: able to say he can deal with someone who scares
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: the shit out of him, he can do it in
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: the interests of Australia and personally. I hope he succeeds
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: because if he doesn't, we are going to be in
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: a lot of trouble with our steel and aluminium industry.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: Aliminium industry is already expecting a hit, so this is
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: a real problem, not to mention the cost of energy
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: for aliuminium and steel. So I think this is a
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: huge test for the Prime Minister and it's not going
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: to be easy given the background. Going in to talk
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: to who is a vainglorious president of the United States, Well.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd's not short of a bit of ego, So
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. Match the two egos in the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: one room. Maybe that'll be dangerous. Jens, thank you. Let's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: stay with tariffs. I'm going to talk to an energy
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: expert a bit later on to this have announcements that
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: are supposed to be due, but I think they've been
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: buried this side of the election. We'll get into those,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: but I want to talk tariffs. I also want to
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: look at the latest whack from Elon Musk.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It's a cracker. I'll bring in now. Sky News Business
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: editor Ross Greener. Ross, thanks for your time. Just on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the tariffs. How do the markets react to this news today?
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: Look surprisingly well.
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: That was the interesting part about this because you have
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: to listen to Donald Trump. It's not by listening to
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: the head lines, and that is tariff's coming for all
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: aluminium and steel around the world. It's what he also
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: said was that for those who have significant tariffs already
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: on US steel, but where there's fewer tariffs going the
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: other way, that's where he's going to be aggressive. So
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: that is Canada, that is Mexico, that is China. It's
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: not Australia because we have a free trade deal whereby
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: the tariffs either way are pretty much zero on these products.
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: He said. For those who have comparable tariffs, there will
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: be almost no action against them.
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: This is the reason why I say blue Scope steel
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: shares jumped today because not only does Bluescope Steel not
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: necessarily get affected by the relatively small amount of steel
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: it sends to the United States. But then on top
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: of that, it's got its Ohio plant where it's actually
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: now trying to get into color bond in America as
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: a building product, a roofing product, and really from that
• 23:52
  Speaker 12: point of view, it would be protected. So that's why
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: its shares were higher. There were some which were affected.
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: It's the collateral damage that will feel as a result
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: of those tariffs, and that is, if less Chinese steel
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: goes to America, it will find other parts of the
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: world to drop into and that would include Australia.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Already blue Scope.
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: Steel here has sort of anti dumping allegations against Chinese
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: steel that's coming into Australia. And on top of that
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: also you've got the prospect that the wireless steel works
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: could really go out of business. It's got massive debts,
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: it's losing money, it's only recently reopened after four months
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: of closure. And then aluminium smelters up the East coast
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: of Australia are barely viable because of the price of
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: energy in this country. So as much as you know
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: you might think tariffs have got an impact in this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: It really is actually about the settings of the Australian
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: government when it comes to tax policy, industrial relations and
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: energy policy that really makes them uncompetitive.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: You are spot on.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It is more Chris Bowen in terms of our local industry,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: and it is Donald Trump even if we were going
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: to have these tariffs hit and you're good, you're all
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: across the detail because you're right, it's the dumping risk
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: as opposed to the tariff imposition in the first place.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I think that's where our attention should have been today.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It's why we love you on the show. Ross Hey,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I picked up something that the Elong Musk could tweet
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: it out. This is a vire's Department of Government efficiency work.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: They're butting heads with the US Treasury. Now.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Just last week a judge blocked Musk and his team
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: for getting the records of Treasury.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: They wanted to go right through the books.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Good on them, that's the way you find the waste
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: and the mismanagement. But he was scathing Musk, he runs
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: a multi multi toolan dollar business, scathing of Treasury's lack
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: of record keeping. It says they're literally paying out billions
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to people that are on the band list. Some of
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: them could be foreigners, some of them could be criminals,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: some of them could be terrorists. He says, they're not
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: even meeting basic accounting standards. And there's a rough estimate
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: of at least fifty billion dollars of obvious fraud every
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: single year. And then you get into the arguments about
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: wasted aid money and all that sort of stuff. I mean,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: other than their own incompetence, ross, what does Treasury have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to hide?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Why not show us the books?
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Well, well, that's right, and this tweet.
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: You and I have both seen this, and it really
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: does highlight that in many cases there is no accountability.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: For where the money is being paid.
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: Now, that might be payments to public servants, payments to departments,
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: a whole range of different things. But if you then
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: I went and sort of went one step further with this.
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: He's saying somewhere between fifteen one hundred billion dollars a.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: Year is unaccounted for.
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: Now, if that's the case, then I started to think, well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: hang on, what's the interest bill of America on its
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: vast debt that it's got. And it comes up to
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: the interest bill is eight hundred and eighty billion dollars
• 26:52
  Speaker 12: a year. Now, if you have certainly said, well, we
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: think we could save somewhere between, you know, sort of
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: like maybe sort of an eight so maybe a sixteenth
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: of your interest bill on an annual basis, you would
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: take that every day of the week for simple accounting
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: standards now, to make certain money is not paid to
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: dead people. And god knows, we've seen that during the
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: Banking Royal Commission of what a scandal that caused? Well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: it seems that these are the types of areas that America,
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: simply because of Lack's accounting, hasn't kept up with.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And when on immune here, I mean the Parliamentary Budget
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Office says there's a potential eleven billion dollar black hole
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: in Labour's staffing of the bureaucracy. They have grown exponentially
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: public servants, about a nearly forty thousand public servants to
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the workforce since Labor were elected. But then if you
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: look at the way they're funding it over the forward
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: estimates that the salaries, there's no accommodation of all these
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: extra people. Now you say, either you know, get rid
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: of those people, or you're hiding the fact that you
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: should be paying them. This eleven billion dollars, Well, what
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: is it?
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: Well, that's right, you can have it both ways.
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: And indeed, you know, you go to Cadi Gallah who
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: today is saying, well, actually, you know, we think Dunton's
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: going to slash harder or slash more than us.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: But it's actually in the books, is written here.
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: And do you wonder why the unemployment rate is sitting
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: at almost generational lows when you've had the federal public
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: service expanded by thirty six thousand over the course of
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: this government. And that's not to say anything as to
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: what the state labor governments have done with their own
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: public servants, which is the reason why, of course those
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: states now are basically a wash with massive debts that
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: they won't get rid of over the next twenty years
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: or so.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: So this is the fundamental problem.
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: And so you sit there and say, well, where is
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: the accountability for every one of those public servants? Katie
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: Galer who says, well, we've now got a public service
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: that works.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: It's sufficient, that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: Works, But is it really the fact that people have
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: taken up these public service jobs to avoid them being
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: on the unemployment queues. I don't quite understand where Australia
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: is not having them book this conversation about what is
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: the efficient number of people in our public service and
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: why caps are not placed upon them.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong, Ross. You need to get a job
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in Treasury and tell you what run the whole show.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: After the break, Labour's read wall in Victoria comes tumbling down,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: voters turning on the Allen government. Plus what has it
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: been federally Labour's sliding fortunes in its old heartland about
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: suburban Australia, Cos Samaris coming up, welcome back the big
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: secret on power prices that Chris Bowen doesn't want you
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: to know about. This side on the election. But first
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Victorian Labor serious trouble. Half a Saturday's result in a
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: one stronghold seat of Werribee. Now that's out in Melbourne's
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: western out of suburbs.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's a seat that Labor's held forty.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Six years and it's now in real danger of changing hands.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: While the race is Titan County is ongoing. Labour suffered
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: a sixteen percent primary vote swing ten percent on two
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: PP analyzing it all now, plus a bit of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: federal race as well. Letting Polster at the Redbridge Group
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: called Samaras. God's great to have you as well. At
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: this stage, Labour's just ahead. Massive swing though in terms
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: of just center out a few things here. What does
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: this mean for her future? Already there's speculations she'll be
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: taken out knife and her deputy moved in. Is she
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: a lag on Federal Labour's brand in Victoria? How do
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: you see things playing out? Dennis Shanahan made the point,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the federal lecture has to be called in
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: the next ten weeks. She's the premier. Now this is
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: a bad poll.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: How do we read it?
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, so let's talk about what this result means for
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: her government to start off with. Right, So you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: the primary hope down to twenty eight percent in an
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: area of Melbourne which historically, as you mentioned, has been
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: very very good for Labor for decades. It is easily
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: the last primari but recorded by Labor Party in this
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: part of Melbourne. Well in Victoria's electoral history. Now, a
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: lot of these voters chose not to go with a coalition. However,
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: if you were to apply the same problem, so let's
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: say traditional marginal seats across the state of Victoria. At
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: a state level, there are people for example in Frankston,
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: in Cranberg, in the Nari warre and electorates who have
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: a history of voting liberal or whose parents are voting Liberal,
• 31:29
  Speaker 13: who may indeed do exactly that come an election time.
• 31:33
  Speaker 13: In other words, you could easily see just as much
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: hemorrhagy of the labor primer vote. Only in the traditional
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: marginals they will switch to the coalition. And this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: the problem that I don't think the labor camps actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 13: fully digested yet that yeah, okay, out of West people
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: a little be reluctant if a voted Liberal in their life,
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: not going to do it. But in traditional marginals, definitely,
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: it's definitely an option.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I'll put some of those up in the seat, those
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: seats you're speaking of there up on the screen, the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: federal marginals. These are the Victorian federal marginals with percentages
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: of eight percent or below. Now, you normally not say
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: something on an eight percent seven percent high number is
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: a true marginal, but I make the point, you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I know Kranker might well, just outside of Geelong there's
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: a heavy anti Scott Morrison vote in that seven point nine.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably a real marginal down at say
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: four maybe four and a half, and I suspect elsewhere
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: you'd find that same sort of number. So if you
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: think you're safe on seven point six or seven point eight,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: nine ten, even there's a Morrison number in there, isn't there?
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: And the other thing in all this is that obviously
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: we published some data today for a news corp which
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: shows that Okay, so in the states that all warribe,
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: these really angry formal labor voters didn't vote for the coalition,
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: but at a federal level we now have statistical evidence
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: to suggest that they are going to do exactly that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: So in seeds like arandamite, in seeds that you know
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: in Melbourne's out of suburbs like m Queen for example,
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: they do plan have oote fordone. So we've seen a
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: six to seven percent increase in the coalition's primary vote
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: and the out of suburbs of Melbourne Sydney in particular,
• 33:21
  Speaker 13: and we've seen a collapse of labor primary in these
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: two large cities in the outer burbs down to twenty
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: seven percent. So that twenty percent number, because look, the
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: global global it's a global phenomenon, but the Labor Party
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: hasn't really helped itself, has it. So if you're a
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: student in politics, you know there is a problem going
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: on across the Western world where traditional working class communities
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: are decoupling from the parties of the left.
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: It's quite evident. It's everywhere.
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: You could see it everywhere.
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: So if you're the Labor Party and you could see
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: this now brewing for a number of years, a number
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: of elections, why wouldn't you stay been and say right,
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: we've got a problem, we need to address this. Instead,
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: they've just stuck the head in the sand, pretending nothing's
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: going to change. And here we are. You've got a
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: twenty eight percent primary and Warabe and you've got a
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: twenty seven percent primary and all we had a suburban
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: federal electrics.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: So so why does the Prime Minister try and outgreen
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: the Greens, outwoke the Greens.
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: There's fundamental We've gone back to why I think this
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: is this problem is been exacerbated their staffer class and
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: how they express themselves as a political movement is very interurban.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: Middle class.
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: That's effectively how it's what the Democrats look like. It's
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: or other simple left political parties are beginning to evolve
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: into the only saving grace for the lead part in
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: Australia is the union of it. They bolt them down
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: to reality and they pull them back always at these
• 34:52
  Speaker 13: industr relations matters. Without them, we will be having a
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: very different conversation. It will probably be if very similar
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: to try and explain what happened. The local party will
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: be into the Democrats in the US.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I'll leave that vote up on the screen. I'll make
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the point there. Put it up if you wouldn't mind
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: sitting again. The Prime Minister has a problem with women.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: It's not just the poor role liberals all the time.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: That's interesting in itself. As I say, women we do
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: not vote as a block. Cole Samaras, thanks very much.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: All right after the break the data and power prices
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: that exposed Chris Bowen's big lie at the last election,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: plus a bit later on why is men's health an
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: annual budget priority but women's health we only matter.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: At election time? It is a rock.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Welcobac still come another win for free speech a so
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: called fact.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Checker shuts down.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I'll reveal that shortly the first power prices and the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: energy transition are shaving up to be a key issue
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: at the federal election. Before the last election, Chris Bowen's
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Powering Astra Your Plan claim the power prices would go
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: down between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty five. However,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: wholesale power prices for New South Wales are actually up
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: an extraordinary two hundred and eighty percent compared to the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: first nine days of February twenty twenty one.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Joining me now director of Energy.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Research at the Center for Independent Studies, Aiden Morrison, Well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: this is not good news for Chris Boen, this reality
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: heading into the election, is.
• 36:28
  Speaker 14: It, Aden, It's certainly not, and I'm beuterested to see
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: how that the government plays this one. The usual playbook,
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: of course, is to cast around for some excuses, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: I think they'll find maybe just one. In that twenty
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: twenty one the global economy was still quite depressed by COVID,
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: so doing short time comparisons from just that point might
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: slightly exaggerate things.
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: But if you go another.
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: Couple years back before COVID and go to right now,
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: well after the Ukraine War effects, and take out all
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: those confounding factors, you still reach absolutely the same in
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: sevitable conclusion that power prices have increased whichever way you
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: care to measure them quite substantially over that period. So
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: the idea that adding more and more renewable energy to
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: the grid pushes power prices down has been comprehensively dismissed,
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: and it just seems implausible that can keep running that
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: narrative to the election.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: What about the default market opera offer?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Because Chris Byron says he's not going to interfere with
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the timeline, And there's a whole series of milestones that
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: should be public and transparent even alongside the election process.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Now that will highlight that there are.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Massive cost increases on the way the household.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Are we going to see this or will it be buried?
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: Look, I really hope and I'm inclined still to trust
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: that the regulator will do their duty and publish things
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: along the according proper timetable. I should point out though,
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: that previously, in the just last year, Chris Bowen, of
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: course did reach out and try to influence the regulator's decision.
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: He asked them basically to keep power prices low, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: the regulator did that by squeezing retailer's margins, Which might
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: sound like a good idea to try to squeeze retail margins,
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: but it makes it harder for new competitors to enter.
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: So it's not a good long term solution to keep
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: power prices low. So I certainly hope that they follow
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: through and publish all those things, but I'm concerned because
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: that hasn't always happened. For example, the Australian Energy Market
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: Commission should be reviewing the Integrated System Plan right now,
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: and instead they've basically done a favor for the government
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: by pushing back their own review by a couple of years,
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: as requested by Chris Bowen, which means none of the
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: hard facts about the Integrated System Plan are going to
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: be published in the lead up to the election, as
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: they should.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: We also know they're pulling a swifty on the twenty
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: thirty five climate targets. I mean they were set under
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the Paris Agreement to be on the table by February.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I've seen an.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Exchange of letters going from chrispen to the former chair
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: of the Climate Change Authority setting out the time frame
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: from Bowen to them that he wants them to meet
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that included February. Then it's now chaired, of course by
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: a new chair, former Liberal Matt Kean, he's making all
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: these excuses about Donald Trump. I mean, surely we've got
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to see these new numbers in February, because this will
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: show exactly where the increases over time will come for Australians.
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I think there's a huge credibility gap opening up here.
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: And the reason I think they're trying to avoid saying
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: anything about twenty thirty five is they've got a massive
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: problem with their targets for twenty thirty and so at
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: the moment they promised Australians and it's been presented to
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: them that we are going to sow from under forty
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: percent to over eighty percent in the next five years.
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: So what can you possibly promise that looks sensible for
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: five years after that, soaring beyond to one hundred and
• 39:55
  Speaker 14: twenty percent. Like you know, there's simply no credibility left
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: in the government's a two percent target for twenty thirty
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: and so by putting down any sort of interim target
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: in twenty thirty five, they can't really do that and
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: make it look sensible without abandoning the target that they've
• 40:09
  Speaker 14: set at twenty thirty which is really really a difficult
• 40:12
  Speaker 14: position for the government to be in because they've basically
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: asked the market operator to treat a political fantasy, which
• 40:19
  Speaker 14: is this twenty thirty target, as though it's an accomplished
• 40:22
  Speaker 14: fact in all the modeling. And so it'll be extremely
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: difficult now for the government to walk that back and
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: acknowledge what has become obvious that we simply aren't on
• 40:30
  Speaker 14: track to hit any of those targets for twenty thirty.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Such frank analysis, I love it, aiden, Thank you, all right,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: quick break. After the break, we'll give you the details
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: of the so called fact checker being shut down. Senators
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: James McGrath and Alex Antick coming up right, Let's bring
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: you my senator's squared panel ALEXANTIQ and llenp Senator for
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Queensland James McGrath.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Gents, welcome. I was talking to ros.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Greenwood about elon Mask basically blowing.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Up the US Treasury.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just delightful to watch talk of some
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: fifty billion dollars of unequivocal and obvious fraud peranum perannum.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Alex, so t what.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I'm similarly excited at the prospect of your colleague, as
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Senator just cint Nambigipper priced doing the same thing in Canberra,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: and I suspect it's already got the bureaucrats worried.
• 41:28
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well, you're right, Peter. And I'm excited about it too.
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: I mean, I'm excited by the prospect of any of
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: the you know, the sort of dealings that are being
• 41:36
  Speaker 15: uncovered now. We're seeing a lot of them coming through
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: the stuff that's come out of the USAID revelations, the
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: money that's been funneled to organizations like Internews, which might
• 41:45
  Speaker 15: well have people on this very floor a bit concerned
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: perhaps as well. And we're going to see more and
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: more of it. And I think the sorts of lessons
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: we're learning from the United States out of this push
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: on the DOGE, but also out of countries like Argentina
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: that we're doing this too year ago under have You
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: and Malay are now showing that there's an appetite for lean,
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: mean government.
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: So there should be.
• 42:06
  Speaker 15: And we've got the richest man in the world sleeping
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: on the floor of his office at the moment while
• 42:11
  Speaker 15: he continues to lead up this charge. It's inspirational, just
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: just going to do a great job and let's watch
• 42:18
  Speaker 15: with interest.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, half five hundred million dollars, half a billion
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: dollars to boost women's healthcare. All of this I support,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: you know, subsidies for long term contraceptives, this is going
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: on to the PBS, stuff in relation to endometriosis, terrific
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: stuff there on HRT and I we're allowed to talk
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: about the menopause now we haven't for years, the coalitions
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: matching the funding. But I guess my issue here, James McGrath,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: why wasn't this already in the budget. Why do women
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: have to wait for an election campaign to get this
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: stuff sorted out? I don't like the way that Labor's
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: packaged it up to try and buy votes. I mean,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: if men's healthcare is in the underlying budget, we know
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: that viagra for some is on the PBS. Why isn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: all of this done anyway?
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: Why are you shocked?
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: Why are you surprised? Peter?
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: This is the Labor Party, and while the coalition strongly
• 43:14
  Speaker 16: supports this package, because we are in a cost of
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: living crisis and it's never been harder or more expensive
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: to see a GP, the Labor Party are going to
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: use taxpayers money to buy votes up until the election,
• 43:26
  Speaker 16: and you're totally correct, women's health is more important than
• 43:30
  Speaker 16: being used as a grubby political tool by the Labor Party.
• 43:33
  Speaker 16: But I do want to give a shout out to
• 43:35
  Speaker 16: Alex's hopefully future colleague and past colleague from South Australia
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: and Nicole Flint for the work.
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: Amazing the work that she did.
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: In this space the former coalition that the work that
• 43:46
  Speaker 16: she did here is change so many people's lives and
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: that's why you go into politics and the Cole Flint
• 43:52
  Speaker 16: is is one of those change makers.
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: A good honor.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love it just to be health funding. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: don't think it needs to be women's health funding. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: think we should be in the underlying budget, as I say,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm sick of women this and women that being
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: off to one side and men being in the overarching budget.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I could bore Australia with that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Hey, let's go to r MIT fact checking. It's being
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: shut down. These blokes women too in there. They were
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: my nemesis during the Voice campaign, Alex, when we exposed
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the full length of the ULARU statement. It's good that
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the university is shutting them down. But I'll tell you
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: what We've got to be on guard, don't we.
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: Look, it's always been an interesting concept to be cute
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: about it. I mean, who checks who fact checks the
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: fact checkers has always been my question. And we've seen
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: this model rolled out across the West, across the world.
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: In fact, these Chip Public Affairs did a study on
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: this a couple of years back and found that there
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: was in many of the fact checkers, you know, a
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: leaning which you would expect there would be. So look,
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: we want to see universities getting back to what they're
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: there to do. This business of them, you know, freelancing
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: into areas like fact checking, I think is a problem,
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: but it will re emerge somewhere else. And let's be
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: remind ourselves of what a disaster this would have been
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: if the Labour's horrendous misinformation laws had passed.
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: This would have become standard fear.
• 45:12
  Speaker 15: And we need both sides of the argument of fear
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: and free democracy.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: There's a story out today that the smart Gates passport
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: system we janed that smart James McGrath has been labeled
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: an embarrassment. Australian travelers forced to wait long, long, long
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: time in queues.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: All these sorts of technical faults.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you there is nothing worse than getting off
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: an international flight. You feel disgusting anyway, you can't wait
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: for a shower and you get to those lines. I mean,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: you can go to a third world country and get
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: processed faster than you do in Australia. We're supposed to
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: already have the best passport with the biometrics and it's
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: all supposed to work.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It never does. Why can't we get this sorted out?
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: What more do you expect from it?
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: From labor, They've just got the situation and it made
• 45:59
  Speaker 16: it worse. You speak to anyone who's flying into Australia
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: and they'll complain about the queues. This should not be
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: happening in a modern, wealthy country like Australia. James Patterson
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: has been very clear, should we win the election, we're
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: going to work with the airports to make sure we
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: get a fix to this so tourists and so Australians
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: can get the big happy entry into Australia and not
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: be stuck in a queue.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Woolworths Alex is making them all come back to work.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: They cracking down on staff who still work from home
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: and they say they've got to come back into the
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: office at least three days a week. Now they're going
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to ramp it up and make it now one day
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: a week.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: It was for a while. But anyway, what do you
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: think of this?
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: Well, look, I mean, I think this is still the
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: last remaining dregs of the COVID period that we just
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: can't seem to shake this work from home phenomenon. I mean,
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: it served its purpose during COVID. We've seen out of
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: the Trump administration that one of the first things he's
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: done is ordered all federal employees to come back to
• 46:57
  Speaker 15: the office.
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: And I don't think that's unreasoned.
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: I think, particularly on the public coin, I think it's
• 47:02
  Speaker 15: very very reasonable, And we know what it's like. We
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: all think we're working efficiently at home. It's much more
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: efficient for working at the office. And also it's good
• 47:10
  Speaker 15: for city businesses and local businesses as well.
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: So the quicker, the better, I say.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: And Home Affairs, I'm told in camera speaking to Peter
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Dutton about this last week Home Affairs, this is a
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: border protection people ALX. They have seventy percent of the
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: public service in that department working from home.
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a.
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: Lot, Peter, and you just would wonder how that works
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: in practice. I mean, as I said earlier, I think there.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Is why you're smart working. That's why you're smart gatt working.
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: That's right, that's right. I can't see them.
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: Look, I think there is an obligation on getting people
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: back to the office and as I said, that applies
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: twofold when it is people working for the public coin.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look at lithium battery fires. Lots of concerns
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: over ebike scooters of course vehicles as well.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Fire and risk in New South Wales have.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Said they've responded to four lithium battery fires in Sydney
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: in the space.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Of twelve hours.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Adam Dewbrey says Cruis have been called out to lithian
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: battery fires almost every day. We're thirteen taking place across
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: New South Wales since the second of February. This is
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: a huge concern, James.
• 48:23
  Speaker 16: A massive concern because guess what, It's going to also
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: impact upon your costs are living because insurance costs are
• 48:28
  Speaker 16: going to go up. But also it just means it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: the safety issue of where these batteries are being stored
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: in terms of the fires, for the homes, for the units.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: People just aren't going to be comfortable with these, and
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: that is going to be dangerous for where they live
• 48:44
  Speaker 16: and for society generally. But more as important it's the
• 48:48
  Speaker 16: cost of living. It's going to go up because of
• 48:50
  Speaker 16: the insurance costs.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, I leave their gens.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: So of course we've seen in I think was New
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: York there was a scooter inside the door. The scooter
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: caused a fire and the people inside the house perished.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: So be careful where you leave your scooter. Thank you, gentlemen.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Right after the break, of course, is Andrew Bob.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's it for me. See tomorrow night at six. Have
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: a lovely evening.