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Still Kicking: Navigating The Rabbit Holes | Live Recording with Diana Schieke · Alive & Kicking: Stories of Waking Up with Kay Eck

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  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, we are live at the Cavidiem coffee shop.
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  SPEAKER_00: My guest is Diana Sheik.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Diana and I talked um a little while back and it was, I think it was early in March or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we thought it'd be fun to have her back because uh since that time a lot has changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've been through a lot, and um yeah, so we have a lot to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're just joining us, we are live, we're gonna be talking about the um rabbit holes that we can all go through.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we are live in person at the Cava Diem Coffee Shop in St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Charles, Illinois, and live on Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_00: And thank you so much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna wait for a couple people to come in.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a blustery evening here, so it'll be hard to eat outside, I think, for a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Windy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Windy, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're just joining us, we are still kicking here at the Cavi DM coffee shop, and um, we're gonna get started.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, hi Diana.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Still Kicking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Glad to see you're still kicking.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am, thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm still kicking, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, is is Diana loud enough?
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell just a little bit or scooch in a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi!
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi Welcome, we're live, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, so um, we're gonna talk about the rabbit holes today, but one of the I listened to our podcast um this week, and one of the things that stood out to me was that you said that your spiritual path was kicked off by your dad telling you constantly that reality is not what it seems, and that that um kind of led you toward a questioning path.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm wondering, because so, like that's obviously kind of um must have played into your experience of this time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk a little bit about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um it was definitely um something he would he would say that a lot of the things that we experience and we see in so-called reality was in fact the opposite was true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember always finding that strange, and you know, when you're young, you're learning things the way they are, you know, and you're glad when you got that down.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you don't want to question everything, you just want to get that uh right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so um, very early on, I I learned to pretty much question everything, and he was um somebody who would uh so he would just start with with um nutrition, for example, and he would tell me all the lies within the realm of nutrition and all the things that they were propagate or promoting and telling us to eat, but that were in fact unhealthy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that's kind of how I got started with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it took me years to actually see what he was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was very young when he was saying these things and too young, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because not to mention, you know, like to have your parent telling you something that like reality is not what it seems, like that's scary.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's scary.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't really, I didn't, thank goodness, I didn't listen to it too much.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was too busy, you know, being a kid, but it's scary and it's confusing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now I know it's true, but I'm old enough to live with that and live comfortably with that, yeah, or it's true often.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so um back then that was kind of unsettling, and it was um, I remember thinking, like, oh, what is he, what's he talking about again?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, but then um bit by bit, the things that he was saying turned out to be true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it took 10 years for it to get to everybody, but he told me things.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, he told me, like, don't use sunscreen, it's really back for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, You you got come on, you know.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we need to wear sunscreen, the chemical one he was talking about, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that we don't get, you know, he said it's so healthier to just stay out of the sun and not wear sunscreen than wear it and go out, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and maybe, I don't know, 20 years later, it came out that yes, these sunscreens are super full of toxic chemicals and you shouldn't be using that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Throughout the years, you've told me a bunch of things that your dad told you a long, long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, whoa.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was ahead of his time, you know, even back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did he have like people that he had and did he have like a little tribe that he could speak to about these things?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you um well there was no internet back then, so not really.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was uh, I mean, I guess he had some literature and maybe a couple of quirky people from the health food store, but that's about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I remember he used to say, you you have to use your your common sense, you know, use your brain, don't believe everything that you're told to think.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, another big thing was I would this was like in the 80s, he told me, like, never eat margarine.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really bad for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Dad, you got this wrong because listen up, margarine is heart healthy, and butter is really bad for you, you know, and and that's what everybody, I mean, it must be true.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what everybody is saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, 20 years later, it's like, oops, you know, trans fats, yeah.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm super excited to be digging into this topic because I think it's so relevant for all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to um shout out to Kathy's joining us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I also, if I could ask um if anybody wants to join me in sending out uh some healing energy to my friend Krista from our hearts to your heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hope you're doing well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so let's let's talk a little bit about um how this uh this COVID experience has been for you because I remember that you were telling me that your way of experiencing the world and learning is through your connection to people, your friends and people who that who you you know are are in your community.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I can't imagine that this must have been very easy for you if you weren't able to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was your experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was that was for me really tough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um not being able to see people really anymore, not be able to go out anymore, having that notion that everybody should be afraid of me and I should be afraid of everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was kind of taken away the way I know to live, the way I understand life, the way I feel my way through things is through the people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm not a big nature connector, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to be, but I'm just not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a person, a people person.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um that's that's kind of how I live.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so to take that away would be is for me very difficult still to navigate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm getting used to it, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and you kind of narrow your people a little bit, you know, you you find ways to make it work, but for sure that's that's something that um I don't know is really the nature of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, my husband, for example, he has no problem at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, for him, that was never his big thing to connect to others.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's fine, but for me it's it's difficult.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it is something that is really individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know I was um talking to my son, and he lives in the UK, and um they had like a really long lockdown, a really long lockdown, and he was living by himself, and there was nobody in his town that he knew because they had all gone away because he lives on a universe at a university.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um they had all gone back to their homes and he had to stay because he was in the middle of a visa process, and um, you know, just like being alone, absolutely and completely alone for months on end, and then they had a let they had a loosening, and then they had a backing off of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said, like the second part of it was even harder than the first part, and I think he too is you know, he's super social and um yeah, it was really difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, can you so we're gonna talk about rabbit holes, and we're not gonna get into like the details of how many of you know the specifics of what's in the rabbit hole.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about the experience of getting in the hole and getting out of the hole.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, how would you define a rabbit hole?
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you think of when I say that term?
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  SPEAKER_01: For me personally, a rabbit hole is when you go in with the intention of figuring a few things out, and you go online or you go and research and you dig and dig, and it gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at one point it gets to the place where you're it's bewildering, confusing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's so many more layers and layers and layers to the story, and more information and new information.
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  SPEAKER_01: Usually, when you get down to the bottom of it, it's something scary, it's some power trying to be malicious, you know, something, something dangerous, something bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of for me what a rabbit hole is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I want to say too that um the you know, a rabbit hole does they did not originate in the era of COVID.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there's always been rabbit holes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, but now there's so many, and we don't have a lot to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the you know, the internet is there, the information is there, so you know, we tend to go digging.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and also I want to say that it's it's kind of like our responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're citizens, we're parents, we're business owners, that you know, we have to know what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to be informed, and then somehow the the guru gets worn into the rabbit hole, and you're then you're suddenly on a spiral.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, one of the things that I think about when I think about a rabbit hole is that the um it's not for me necessarily that the information is bad or what I'm learning is bad, it's that it either becomes overwhelming and I and I can't I no longer have a sense of of you know clarity and peace with the subject.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it becomes overwhelming, and then that kind of generates the fear, like the not being able to know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember early on I wrote a post about this, and at the time I was really grieving the fact that the truth can't be known to us right now, anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's too much information coming from too many sides.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't have the ability to know what's true and what's not if you're listening to what people are telling you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um that's just really that's really sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then I started thinking about it today, and really that's always been the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've always been reliant on people to tell us what is up, and um, it's only, you know, like the the truth of any subject can only be known from within, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you still have to decide what is true and what is untrue for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um I don't know, it's like it's almost like the discernment knob has to get turned up to 110 right now, you know, like it's like I won't go anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need some 10 W40 or whatever that stuff's like.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are just so many layers to it, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, there's so many, and then different people see from different viewpoints, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has a different experience of life, and so that's how they experience this whole thing, and so then they're bringing in what seems true and important to them, and they are, and they are, and they are as well, seeing this whole scenario from complete different eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting to see what what people care about and and and how they perceive life, but it's also bewildering and confusing, and I think to find out the truth, that's kind of something we can't do right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what were some of the rabbit holes that tripped you up?
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  SPEAKER_00: In general or now?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, in both.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like let's start with general and then go to the specific.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in general, um, the the one with um, I would say when I went on this journey to figure out health and nutrition, and that's that's to say that already is so difficult, you know, what's healthy, what's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people say, you know, everything vegan is healthy, and every somebody else says, you know, you have to eat meat products all day long and heart and lungs and yeah, liver it's been such a moving target.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's it's impossible to say what's healthy and what's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: There we have it, the truth, right?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: What's the truth?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but kind of when you go down and deeper and deeper, at one point nutrition turns out to be kind of like political, and it and it depends on who's growing what when what's subsidized, what you know, what what are people pushing to to be eaten or for what reason?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes down to who is deciding what we should eat and why, and how are animals fed and this and so it's kind of it it turns at the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've noticed it turns out to be something there's a there's a power that controls, and that's usually when I turn away.
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  SPEAKER_00: So is that is that sense of like a power that's in control?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it like the the powerlessness that that causes the fear for you personally?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or you know, why would you turn away at that point?
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  SPEAKER_01: I turn away at that point because then I I always get to a point around you go around and round and round, and then I always turn to self at the end and decide for myself that I I don't care what anybody says anymore.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have to look within.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have to I have to be as in tune with myself as I just can be, and then make decisions from there.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they're true or not, if they're right or wrong, I don't care at that moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm doing this for myself, and um as long as I'm not hurting anybody, I'm making decisions for myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there is something inside that will guide you there and will will bring you to the right place if you if you can connect.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's always been, I've always had um a lot of I've been lucky in that case that I've been able to um figure out what was right for me and it makes sense to me, and so it is, and so you have to detach at one point, there's no other way.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to say hi to Jen in Florida.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for joining us, and Karen and Felipe, and Abby and Carolyn and uh Mary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks you guys for tuning in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really appreciate it.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to um Matthew Patty, my friend Matthew Patty, made a comment that I want to um just read.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said that all rabbit holes contain truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, our conscious or unconscious bias augments our understanding of what the real truth is.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, like your lens, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think one of the um the rabbit holes that always trips me up, regardless of what the subject is, is my kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anything that um, you know, when this kind of all started in March, my um Hey Ziggy, my daughter was in um London, and she was her school was cancelled, and um, she was trying to make her way.
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  SPEAKER_00: First it was Italy, then it was Spain, and then those got shut down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she stayed in London, but she was trying to get home, and we were trying to get her home, and she was sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I all I could um picture was that she's gonna be holed up in some London hotel by herself for who knows how long.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's sick, there's no she doesn't know where the doctors are.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: She's gonna be ordering room service for six months, you know, in London.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: That might be expensive.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just like that was, and then she she finally did get a flight home.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then when she arrived at O'Hare, she spent um six or seven hours in customs shoulder to shoulder with 2,000 other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I it was just like it was just such an intense experience.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so like anything like that, like my kids, if if something's going on, then I'm like, I'm gone.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like for a lot of moms, the anything having to do with your kids is can be a rabbit hole.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what would you say in what way is it a rabbit hole in terms of like you're going down in the depths of or or delving into that?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a little bit different.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I would exactly, I guess that might not be exactly a rabbit hole, but um I would, you know, like I would let my mind spiral play.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my mind would spiral down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so all the the the scenarios of what could happen and how bad it could be.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that was really kind of my experience early in COVID was how big is it gonna get?
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  SPEAKER_00: How bad is it gonna be?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then you know, the mind like going.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you know, we have have the tools to work with that, but you still get trapped up in it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: And surprisingly, I would have thought I wouldn't have been as wrapped up in it as I was, or as fearful as I was, um, not of the virus at all.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think they told us about that virus, and like an hour later I texted you, and I was like, oh come on, yeah, there's something fishy going on here, right?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you were like, Yep.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so from from the beginning I felt like something's not quite right there, you know.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: But um for sure, I I thought, you know, living in the past 10 years and all the work that I do in terms of um just finding a peace and a way to live, you know, the stuff we all do, the stuff the yoga and the meditation and and and and the books and and the the all of those ways of seeing life from a different side, that uh I thought that would because I was always so cool and calm, it didn't matter what would you know what happened.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was always, but this time no, and I and I I was so surprised um with about myself and about how much fear there is, but not of the virus, of the rabbit holes.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe because of what I had lived with with my dad.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: He was he was very cautious.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: He was he was talking about the um the civil war that everybody's talking about now.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's talking about that 10 years ago, you know, or or 12 years ago.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: He was he was even preparing for it.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he I don't know where he got all these things, but he knew there was going to be some political mayhem at one time, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess that's what yeah, he was from the future.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is amazing.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everything he said and thought and and did came true.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the ways, and if you guys have any questions, just you know, let us know.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: And also online, if you guys have any questions, type them in and we'll talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um one of the ways that I know that I'm into deep is when I have I feel like an urgency to tell other people and so that they know, or that um, you know, that like I need to change, like change someone's behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when it starts, when I start feeling that constriction of the urgency, I know I've gone too far.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because in the end, I'm responsible for my actions, my thoughts, my what what I'm creating in the world.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do I want to create an energy of that frenetic thing where you're telling other people what to do, or you you feel the need for others to agree with you, or you feel that your position is right and theirs is wrong, and yeah, that's when I know.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's okay.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I usually know when I feel bad, I feel crummy and I feel jittery and a little anxious, and I can't sleep, then I know this isn't good.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm it's kind of difficult to navigate because just because something is uncomfortable doesn't mean it's wrong.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're going through what we're all going through right now, which is super difficult, um I think we all feel bad sometimes.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: But this is more, and and and and sometimes you need to say what you need to say and do what you need to do yourself.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: But um, for some reason, um it's kind of like a a feeling of unhealth, it's un it's unhealthily uncomfortable.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's when I know to back off and And uh it's it seems a little cowardice because it's it's it's always so it turns into non-political, right?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I think non-political for me is the way to go because it's just becoming very sticky and icky.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I never thought it was political.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then what I what I felt and and thought about the virus and the mask wearing and the social distancing just happened to be in line with a political thought, you know, group.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I kind of was sucked into that, but I it was never political and I couldn't.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you're going through something really difficult, it's really tempting to want to align with others because it's scary, you know, like you're you're you know, you don't know what the right thing is, and that that that alignment is kind of like a it's like a panacea, you know, it's like a band-aid on it.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: It takes your fear away a little bit.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: You you've there's power in numbers, but um but it's hard to do the black and white thing, yeah.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to, I mean, I don't know.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't really serve, really.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but and and I always wonder about that when you think about all the things on the one side and the other, I mean, all of us must be thinking, I agree with that, I don't agree with that, I agree with that, and I agree with so they're like there's how can you disagree with everything on one side?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's just how can that even be possible?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so okay, so what do you usually do when you find um yourself in a little bit too deep?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: What what what's the solution?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I take off all the social media off of my phone.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: I take all the you know the little icons, I delete all that.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is usually a very nice feeling.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um I uh take a step back from from all of the online stuff for a while.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I journal, I've noticed journal journaling helps me a lot.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: I whipped out how does journaling help you?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: So um it that's my definite tool to get in tune with myself is journaling.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: That works for me like a charm every time.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do well with meditation, especially not if I'm anxious, so that doesn't work.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yoga, sure, that kind of where you get into your body, that kind of stuff too.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: But journaling is my number one thing.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then I uh whip out a good book.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Usually it's something like Mark Nipo.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's got this book, uh, The Book of Awakening, where you just read a passage every day.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what it's called.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and that that's so oh god, that calms me down.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's so awesome.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so that kind of stuff gets me out of there, and I'm then totally concentrated on my family and my good friends.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh uh what I like to I have a number of different tools.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I think writing is it's particularly effective at moving the energy from within to outside, like the paper holds the energy of that in some weird way, just like the expression, it's an expression of it, but you don't have to say it to anybody, you know, so it kind of diffuses the intensity of the energy.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: But um, when I when I need to crawl out of the rabbit hole, um I tend to like pull back and get really basic about stuff, like lunch and coffee and toast and a phone call with a friend or one of your kids or a walk, just like something prayer for sure, is in the like the simplest prayer, just like ah, you know, just like too much, too much.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or like using your senses heightened, like listening, sit, listen.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, or yeah, really like like drawing your your the bigness of your universe into the smallest basic uh structure.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: So first the self, just like look, I am okay, I'm healthy, I'm calm, I have a roof over my head, I have something to eat, and like for now that's enough.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't need to know any anything else.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Do you guys have any tools that you use um on the regular that we haven't mentioned?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think all of those I like to walk outside without my shoes on.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so Alexa's here and she's talking about grounding outside, especially especially without her shoes on, which is excellent.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hi to Christabel and Jackie.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Matthew has another super interesting uh comment.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: The shadow truth is like a rising damp coming to the surface to be faced as a collective.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Matthew.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, simplicity, John.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: So let's see.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um what's if you guys um online can maybe type in some of the things that you guys do to come out of the rabbit hole or what your experiences are, we can kind of play off of that.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: You said that um in our podcast that you try to teach your children to to um, I think you said to step away from fear as much as possible.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk a little bit about that as a practice?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we were just talking about that the other day, and I think a lot of people are saying that what is going on with our kids?
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why is everybody so anxious?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: And what what is everybody so afraid of?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so my son, he's 18, he thinks he said, Mom, I think it's social media.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I think we're all whipped up about that because we, you know, the things we see, everything so fast, and it's all connected, and you have to be careful what you say and how you say post this, post that.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe he's right.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's one big difference between when I was a kid, so that could definitely be it.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um fear, yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I try to take a lot of that um away from them by maybe doing, I don't know if this is right or not, but there's so many things right now going on in society where parents push their kids a lot.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like they push their kids to have good grades and they push their kids, you know, to be fearful of not getting in the college and not, you know, being able to get a job and not so I kind of tell my kids, you know, if you got a C, then you got a C.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't it's fine, you know.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of to take that pressure away, um not only with grades, but just with all things, like just don't I try to be overly cool about things because everybody's overly anxious about things right now.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that that's one of the blessings, really.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm my kids are not homeschooled, you know, age kids anymore, but I can't uh God bless you, moms, right?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know how I would have done that with four kids at home.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: So oh my gosh.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I do feel that that's one of the blessings of COVID has been that the expectations have been lowered dramatically.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like if you can just get up and you know do the minimum, it's like that's a big deal.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, we're not, we don't need to have these high expectations for ourselves and for our kids.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: But so for my kids who are in high school, if they don't get 100% of whatever it is they're learning, it'll be fine.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: They'll get through life, it'll be fine.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're like learning to read or write, I feel like that could be a little bit of a problem now.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, um, because it's hard to get your kid to sit in front of that screen and do the work.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's not how a child learns, you know.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't think so at least.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then the things that they're learning in first, second, and third grade and fourth grade, they're like essential for you know, for building those or the building blocks.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where I feel like that's where I'd be nervous as a parent for my kids now, you know.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, we're gonna see like if it's the disaster we think it is, or if it's all gonna be just fine, they're gonna learn that stuff with or without the the schooling.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wanted to ask you.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, no, I'm not gonna be able to think of it.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um something about the fear.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that one of the other things that I see as a positive that is coming out of this is that we're being forced to become comfortable with the unknown.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just the unknown, it's the unknowable.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like we do not have the capacity to know what's going to happen and how it's gonna play out, and we just have to get comfortable with that.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have to, there's no other option, right?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that you know, if you've been sort of doing this work for a while, like that's a familiar topic.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: You've been seeing that for some time.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: But if it's people who are just confronting that for the first time, like that is really rough.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's awful because it's not just the unknowable, it's like unknowable about really important things like health and well-being and our unity as a country and you know the economy.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: This, like those are some big, big issues.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and when you and like you said, when you've worked with those things for a long time, you do get comfort, it's still yucky feeling, but it it does get more comfortable, and you do understand the duality that you do understand that that's kind of what life is, to live within that, because it happens again and again, also with personal situations.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now it it happens to be on a big scale with all of us now in general, but it it it is unnerving and unfortunately necessary.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um to, and I think that's why the rabbit holes exist to that extent right now, because everybody is online trying to figure out what the hell is going on, and that's all everybody's doing all day long.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's why everybody's engaged so much, why everybody's on Facebook.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to figure out maybe somebody knows something that I don't know, and that's what, but you rest assured, yeah, nobody knows what's going on.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that that the prior to this, like like you were saying, I think that you were getting at that, is that the nature of life is not knowable, like it we do not know what the future is, so it's an illusion that we're that we're losing, you know, that's crumbling, the illusion that we know what's gonna happen.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that I find that people will do because the unknowable not knowing is uncomfortable, is that they'll they'll either look at someone else's life to see what the possibilities are for them, or they'll look into the past, into what has been, and extrapolate from that what is gonna happen in the future, or at least to guess.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um that practice kind of like cuts us off from anything that might be new, like completely new, like creating a new paradigm for ourselves, creating a new future for ourselves, creating a hopeful something that we will want to walk forward into.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's kind of yeah, it's just like a habit that's and also have you noticed that a lot of people try to in these moments when it's really uncomfortable, they try to force things, right?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: They try to do.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I see that all the time also with people who are close to me.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: They they try to, in that moment when you're when you don't know what to do and you don't know what is happening, you try to find some kind of a security by action, you know, if it's right or wrong, if it hurts, if it doesn't, just action like force.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not power, it's force, you know.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're not letting it happen, you're forcing something to happen because at least then you'll know what the outcome is.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think right now that also that's not working.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's not going to work for anybody.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think life is showing us that this time that's not happening.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Krista also said that um she does a lot of earthing, that that's a really great way to go.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: She also says surrendering, surrendering to my higher guidance, anything I don't want to hinder me in the moment allows me to breathe, releasing anxiety, fear, and adrenaline.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: And Matthew says, love simplicity, be in nature, as it's conductive, have real conversations with friends, to be present, to listen to music that expands my center, eat light, fresh food.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hi to Sherry, and also I want to say hi to Elizabeth.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, thanks for joining us, everybody.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is still kicking.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with Diana Sheiki, and we have a few people in the house.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, everyone.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for coming.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we're talking about um rabbit holes and the nature of rabbit holes.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, what do you think is um let's see?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think has been like your greatest uh learning from this period, this time period?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um and let me start with, let me ask you first, what is your how different is your life now than it was six months ago?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's different in a way that, okay, there's one thing I've learned, and that's kind of and that's really different, is that, and this is just a personal thing, but I feel like you know, we're all evolving personally at this point, um that I'm not I'm no longer searching.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I in my life I was always searching for um maybe my purpose in life and trying to find out what I should do here on this planet while I'm here.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: And um I've noticed that I have no interest in searching anymore.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: And something tells me that that will come or it won't, it doesn't matter anymore.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what to do with that, but that's how I feel right now, and it's very comfortable and feels very right.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's more of an a legitimate existing, um, and and a no longer searching for my purpose, my you know, I I there is no purpose that this is the purpose.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just this is it.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's funny because I I have a serious I have a similar experience, but um Jen writes here the keywords that relax me, like you are just where you need to be, or whatever choice you make will be just right for you.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: See, that's pretty much what yeah, that's that's what I was saying, yeah.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't feel like you're missing anything anymore.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or the world is changing, okay?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, you gotta get on the train.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the train?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Where is the train?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: What train?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't miss it.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Keep your eyes open.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: This time, whatever it is, you'll know, and it will happen.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to do anything, yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: You have to catch any train.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've been experiencing something really similar in that.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I I realized that like how much of me was counting on some future outcome, like that.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, once we get through this period, then everything's gonna be blah blah blah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're we're headed to 5D to the new earth, and it's gonna be fantastic and wonderful.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I it was that that was keeping me from really being here now.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like constantly, it was almost like a release valve, you know, like I was when things got tough here, when I don't, when I didn't like what was happening here, I could say, like, oh, I'll just pop over to the future where everything's taken care of.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I I've had to kind of stop that practice, and I'm not, and it doesn't that doesn't hold any um lightness for me anymore.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I need to get content with this moment right here, and um, so that that's been sort of a big deal for me.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: It is a big deal, and it's because it it's it's so subtle, but it's life-changing, and it changes your whole perspective and also the nervousness or the the pressure that you have to do your life right, um that falls away and just complete radical acceptance of just being, yeah, and that's kind of new and exciting, and you know the concept, and we maybe we've spoken about these things for years, but to really feel it and to live it is a different story, yeah, yeah.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, Jen said something similar.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you you can't get it wrong, right?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: You can't get it wrong, yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hi to Jamie, Suzanne, nice to see you.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, what a crazy time.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of also um acceleration in my private life and my family life, uh, in terms of um a lot of things happening fast and at once, and drama or what you would call drama, but I feel myself in the middle of the storm and the eye of the storm watching things happen.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there's something telling me it's gonna be okay.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: And there it is again, living with the uncomfortable, you don't know what's going to happen, you don't know how um things are going to play out, and it's scary, but you're you're walking every day in those steps, um having to navigate um or to uh accept that not every path is for you to change or do something about, right?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Not every life is for you, and so there we have it again with the um doing, you have to do something about this.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: You have to say this to that person, and you have to go there and do that and this, but I find myself not seeing any real purpose in any of that and any real gain for anybody, yeah.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so often I do nothing, or I think something, or I hold still, or I hold space, or I hold peace, or I say something very subtle, and it's it's a different way of living now.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not quite as barging in and moving things around, it's more of a holding everything where it is and understanding my place in it, maybe.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, that makes me think about what we were talking about that we wanted to talk about tonight, and that is how to um be with loved ones who are struggling, who maybe haven't been on the path as you know, and doesn't have the tools, or is just feeling overwhelmed by the situation, or how do you how do you, for instance, like help help your kids through it?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: How do you help your family members who are struggling, or what's your involvement with that?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I have somebody very close to me who's struggling a lot with life, um, with with drugs, with with and all the things that go um that go together with that, and it's a lot.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so that that's usually something where yeah, there's there's a lot of rules around that, what how people should react, what they should do, which programs they should call, who, which, which you know, um facility, this, that, and the other.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: But those things are falling, in my case, falling away as well.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Those are things that were made up 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, and they have their place, and I'm sure they can help people, but sometimes it's not the right thing, and you have to figure that out and navigate.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so when somebody who's close to you has that path, and it is a path, you know, drug addiction and and all the awful things that go together with it, you know, everything.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: It starts with with criminal behavior and and ends with hospital visits and the whole shebang, right?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: You you have to, even though you're close to that person, you have to understand that it's not it's not your way.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: And even though you know this has it, that has to stop, and this has to, and you have it's not always that easy.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: If it were easy, then we wouldn't have that problem, you know, and we do have that problem.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so you have to kind of it's like you have to um accompany the person on that journey, and that's tough, it takes a lot.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and to see that and to stay calm.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's what I'm experiencing now, that kind of that that the accompanying and trying.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: to navig navigate at the the the give and the take the sharing the heart and the distance yeah yeah and i also feel like i early on in um in this situation i i was fielding probably four phone calls a day from and like with long conversations hours long and from people who were um i thought were like ready to step into kind of like leadership in a situation in this situation um but i mean that that's not to say that that's that's they weren't that that's not what i'm getting at but um one of the things that i found i i still find in what you're talking about is just bearing witness to somebody in their experience of someone without having to jump in to rescue or save or change or uh you know even support you know just to like just be there in that space with them while they um have their human emotions and you know that's kind of really what the podcast is about too is just like hearing people's stories listening to people um you know bearing witness it's really super powerful but it's so hard to do it's hard to do and it's very unconventional and could maybe even you know start some critique um people wondering why you do what you do and how but it's you can't explain it it's just a feeling you know what's right and you know what's not right in your family for you and for your loved ones but yeah I've I've never gone the the quote normal path and for me it's always been rewarding when I did you know like we all say when you do what your gut tells you it usually turns out to be pretty damn good.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and have you I mean how many times in your life have you gone against your intuition and then it was shit all the time all the times I've gone against my intuition it's turned out like that I mean every time you know like my experience is like when I when I was speaking earlier about having that feeling of like the urgency of needing to like fill everybody in on my point of view um that even like as I'm sending someone an email like I'm about to hit the send button and my intuition's like don't do that I'll do that don't send that and then of course I do and then it's like blows up in my face and I'm like oh why did I send that should I not should I listen yeah yeah every time every time every time every time every time I try I I I want to you know veer to to one side or the other or to just you know tell people something that I feel they need to know it just always always backfires.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm lucky after my husband he's like really calm so he always says now wait a second you know I'm always like you know I'm gonna do this now you know he's like just think about it for a little while you know yeah but I'm like Scorpio you know I'm gonna do it now yeah you know and and that's often not a good idea.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: He used to drive me nuts with that but there is there's wisdom in that oh yeah so I I'm interested in to knowing like if anybody out there has any like tips or ideas about how to help um other people who or what do you do when people come to you um in struggle um Krista's saying that letting go of control can allow us to move into our heart intelligence.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: I love that and one of the greatest things in life is being able to witness a loving listener yes saying same thing.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh that's beautiful witness a loving listener all right well you guys have anything to add yeah um how much uh both of your individual past or conditioning that you know how much but what have you noticed now um that you significantly let go of in order to be present and we're actually talking about the part of what we got here so you can be a supporter because a lot of times I think our emotional reaction physical mental spiritual is what we learned or didn't learn or how much you have that now you're like oh my gosh you know you were brilliant um what do you see that hold in yourself like how much did you take with you and how much did you let go of so you can hold space for something so it's hard.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so um Alexa's asking us well what we what conditioning and that we had to let go of in order to be supportive of um the people that we needed to be supportive of is that about right without enabling without enabling oh my gosh yes so without doing it fine line yeah yeah it's a fine line um and it's and it's one of those things that you can only really navigate with your with your intuition um and you're gonna mess up and that's something you you shouldn't never be afraid of just know you're you're on that path you're gonna screw it up um but I I always believe that if the intention is there and and and kind of like the prayer is there then you I'm I've always been led on the right path I feel like I've always been guided in a way um that seemingly always turned out right of course you need a feel for yourself and the feel for that person and what I mean by that is you know how you and I are empaths so we both we both know how to feel other people and especially for someone close to us you've just got that that connection um I that's something I don't know I could do with somebody who I didn't you know love and know I think it's the it's the connection and and and and it's definitely work for an empath and it's work and it's not for the faint of heart as you guys know it's and it's not for uh for anyone who doesn't have the emotional um not stability endurance emotional endurance oh my god I love that yeah that's yeah that's a I think that's a tweetable moment but of course we're not on Twitter because we watched the social dilemma um so um I didn't say you were supposed to watch that yeah because it was on Netflix right nothing's on Netflix that you're not supposed to watch is that right I've heard other people say that nothing's on Netflix that you're not supposed to watch you're supposed to watch it all well everything that's on there is very clear there are millions of people are going to see it and that you're supposed to I mean if you're not supposed to see it it's not gonna be on Netflix it's not like ooh I found something on Netflix paypal yeah um I I would say that the conditioning that I had to let go of most of all is mother knows best um and because oh my god yeah it's a big one and um it's fortunately I don't know if it's fortunate but my children are older than yours older than yours and um I had to you know have to continuously step back and um not just observe them on their own path but to really inquire what the path is what what exactly you know to stay open and to stay non-judgmental and not place my opinions and to just and to just listen again it's just coming down to being a loving listener.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: But that's and and especially like when it comes to topics that you think you're supposed to know more about like in the beginning I would um I told one of my kids I was like I've been paying attention to this for decades for four decades I've been paying attention to health and nutrition and but that does not mean that I know more than they do because they came in with more information.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just catching up to where they are you know so um yeah that was a huge one but it also enabled me to to come to a different level of understanding with them and to be in a um you know a more beautiful place with them to now we're like now we're on the same level and we're exchanging ideas.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well they they don't they're not interested in my ideas but I'm listening to theirs so yeah that's been a big one.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean really it's like it's about not it's about thinking that it's letting go of the thought that I know more or better than anybody because I don't you know and that I have to remind myself over and over as I'm getting ready to press the the sun button.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think we do it as a means to control our environment so that we feel better.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah letting go of that conditioning or that anxiety that we brought into it.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so Alexa's saying that uh she thinks it's one of the ways that we um we do that to control our environment and I that is like a that is an aspect of codependency where um I I wrote about that in my upcoming book and believe it or not a little bit and that when I was noticing when I was trying to um step in and alleviate the suffering of whatever my children were going through it wasn't because I didn't think they could do it on their own it was because I didn't want to experience them experiencing that.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was too painful for me.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so um that you know I had to I had to kind of shift that around as well to and to allow anybody to go through their period of suffering is like that is a holy thing to be able to do.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a tough one because you can sometimes see it coming yeah but you shouldn't do and I feel the same way as you do that I feel like I want to make sure that doesn't happen to them.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so strange that we're doing that all now because I don't remember anybody doing that with me.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: I do not remember my parents uh stopping any kind of suffering in terms of the things that I would experience at school the bullying and whatever it was now we're so so very protective of our children and I get it because I feel that way as well.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but at the same time I wonder why why do we do that and they didn't right it's like the pendulum has swung a bit far maybe yeah um yeah I just I don't mean to interrupt you I just want to say hi to Robert and Carol and Nancy and Giovanni and Katie and Sylvia hi guys thanks for tuning in if you guys have stuff that you want to talk about let us know and we will bring that up but we're we're reaching just about an hour now so um is there anything else that you want to add that we haven't talked about um pretty good you're good yeah good what about you guys anything you want to talk about um I think topping my head that was really um to just have a great place from your heart of gratitude into every day because there's so much going on in so many directions it's easy to kind of focus on the negative and focus on the scary things or the challenging things but really meant to understand everything it's not anything in the past yeah everybody's going within yeah and buying chickens so it it's Sarah right yeah she's oh yeah I just want to say that Sarah uh wanted to add that um she approaches everything with a grateful heart and to make sure to make time to count your blessings and your chickens and um to to really be cognizant and aware and open to what the blessings are that this time is wanting to bestow upon us because we know there are blessings in every moment right like we just have to like grab them or just open our eyes that before you know you're like oh my you know just those rules basically socks like yeah the simplest thing because it's getting chilly here now so it's like swerve like take an old pencil my my fingers aren't yeah you know I mean all those little things that you injure something yeah realize how much you need it or you know right the grateful heart for sure well that is a perfect way to end our our evening so I just want to thank everybody for being with us tonight it was so fun to get together with you and you and you guys and talk about this stuff.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: I um will be back live in two weeks and my guest will be Matthew Patty you heard some of his comments um earlier in this live stream so you know it's gonna be it's always interesting with Matthew because he's super deep and sometimes I have to like have a consciousness dictionary at the side so I can um look up a few things when he starts talking about quantum physics and stuff but it it's gonna be super fun.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that is two weeks on um October 14th at 730 and Matthew is in Australia so we will be on Zoom but we'll be live on Facebook and um I also just want to let you know that this um will turn this into a podcast and it will be available with the Alive and Kicking podcasts which are on all the platforms and also on YouTube and you can go to my Facebook page which is KEC.com and you can find everything there.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I also wanted to let you know that I have a new book coming out and I'm obligated to start promoting it even though I hate that and if you would like to be on the mailing list so you can find out about that just go to KEC.com and you know fill out the thing.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you everybody for being here thank you Alex for tending to the crowd yeah thank you thank you everybody