Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Anna Delvey Body Shames Herself?
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grayson. This is
- 0:09Speaker 1: Crime Stories.
- 0:11Speaker 2: Does she never go away? Why can't she just get
- 0:15Speaker 2: a job and be quiet?
- 0:17Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fake heiress, the con artist that
- 0:22Speaker 1: conned we know of about a quarter million dollars out
- 0:26Speaker 1: of friends and businesses. Anna Delvy now whining. Wait for it,
- 0:32Speaker 1: she's quote embarrassed.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Quote about how much weight she gained behind bars.
- 0:39Speaker 1: Shouldn't she be embarrassed for conning people out of a
- 0:44Speaker 1: quarter of a million dollars?
- 0:47Speaker 2: Quote the food is just the worst?
- 0:51Speaker 1: Delvy toll page six, about her stint behind bars. Quote,
- 0:56Speaker 1: I looked really, really bad when I came out of jail.
- 0:58Speaker 1: I think I was at my heaviest and I was
- 1:00Speaker 1: like really self conscious.
- 1:02Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing. Is she crazy? She should be embarrassed
- 1:08Speaker 2: about conning.
- 1:09Speaker 1: Friends, ripping them off to the tune of about a
- 1:13Speaker 1: quarter million dollars?
- 1:15Speaker 2: How did she do it? Let's take a little flashback.
- 1:18Speaker 3: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money,
- 1:22Speaker 3: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the age
- 1:24Speaker 3: of Instagram. Always at the right place, with the right people,
- 1:28Speaker 3: living her best life. But with no apparent cause for
- 1:31Speaker 3: her fame. Her circle of acquaintances was fed various stories
- 1:35Speaker 3: as to how she accumulated her vast wealth. Her father
- 1:38Speaker 3: was a Russian billionaire, a Russian diplomat, an oil tycoon,
- 1:41Speaker 3: a Russian antiques collector, or a solar energy capitalist. While
- 1:46Speaker 3: many parts of Delvy's story were fluid, some things were consistent.
- 1:50Speaker 3: Delvy made no effort to hide her internship at the
- 1:52Speaker 3: Paris magazine Purple, and made it very clear that her
- 1:54Speaker 3: dream was to open a Soho house for art and quote.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Upset fake German heiress and a serrokean guilty of grand
- 2:03Speaker 1: larceny after a life of fake ripping people off to
- 2:08Speaker 1: nearly a quarter of a million dollars that we know of,
- 2:11Speaker 1: who would believe a Russian heiress and fork over thousands
- 2:17Speaker 1: of dollars? And in court she was more upset about
- 2:20Speaker 1: her designer clothing wardrobe than she was about being found guilty.
- 2:25Speaker 1: Now that's unusual. This girl and a Serrocan also known
- 2:30Speaker 1: as Anna Delviy, somehow manages to con so Ho Elite out.
- 2:35Speaker 2: Of a quarter of a million dollars, joining me in
- 2:39Speaker 2: all star lineup.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Jeff Cortize former FBI Special Agent Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
- 2:46Speaker 1: author of Red Flags, Doctor William in July psychologist in
- 2:50Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley
- 2:54Speaker 1: help me out. This girl shows up. Her skin is
- 2:59Speaker 1: so pale, she looks.
- 3:00Speaker 2: Like a ghost.
- 3:01Speaker 1: And she's got this long brown hair parted usually slightly
- 3:07Speaker 1: on the side, big glasses, and the hair hangs down
- 3:10Speaker 1: like curtains.
- 3:11Speaker 2: Over her face.
- 3:12Speaker 1: You can barely see the eyes, you know, the hair
- 3:14Speaker 1: is so close down. I can't see her face. That
- 3:18Speaker 1: makes me suspicious. But who would buy into my dad
- 3:21Speaker 1: is a Russian billionaire?
- 3:23Speaker 2: Give me your money. Oops, I forgot my credit card.
- 3:25Speaker 2: What happened? Let's just start at the beginning.
- 3:27Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, apparently a lot of people were just hungry
- 3:30Speaker 4: to buy into this story. If New York City is
- 3:34Speaker 4: a city of dreams, which we hear it called all
- 3:37Speaker 4: the time, Anna had enough for the entire island. She
- 3:42Speaker 4: had longed to be a member of the upper echelon
- 3:44Speaker 4: of Manhattan system.
- 3:45Speaker 1: I understand something, John Lenlay, Crime Online investigator reporter. Did
- 3:49Speaker 1: you just call her giant fraud? Ripping people off tens
- 3:53Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars, including one woman that took the
- 3:56Speaker 1: stand A working class person who go on an all
- 4:01Speaker 1: expense paid trip with her to Morocco and she gets
- 4:05Speaker 1: stiffed with a sixty five thousand dollars bill.
- 4:08Speaker 2: Wait are you calling that a dream?
- 4:11Speaker 4: Go it?
- 4:11Speaker 2: Wait? How dare you?
- 4:13Speaker 4: Persons? Dream is another person's night.
- 4:15Speaker 2: To feed yourself with cliches?
- 4:17Speaker 1: Don't the American dream my rear end? Jeff Cortiese, I
- 4:23Speaker 1: call it something a lot different than the American Dream?
- 4:26Speaker 2: Oh absolutely.
- 4:27Speaker 5: I mean this was a at least on the front end,
- 4:30Speaker 5: a well executed fraud.
- 4:33Speaker 2: Over the long term, it didn't. It didn't have the
- 4:35Speaker 2: legs to remain sustainable a long term.
- 4:38Speaker 1: I mean she managed to pull it off, Wendy Patrick,
- 4:40Speaker 1: for you know what two years? I forgot how long
- 4:43Speaker 1: she managed to pull the wool over everybody's eyes, going
- 4:45Speaker 1: on trips to Morocco, staying at I think it's eleven
- 4:49Speaker 1: Howard some ritzy. I don't even know how you find
- 4:53Speaker 1: that hotel in New York. It's one of those places.
- 4:54Speaker 1: I don't think it's even marked. Only rich people go there.
- 4:58Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, What is what happened to John Limley? The
- 5:01Speaker 1: Voice of reason. He just called this the American dream.
- 5:05Speaker 6: What well, I think, John Limley, what he was talking
- 5:09Speaker 6: about is there are there are some misguided, vulnerable people
- 5:13Speaker 6: that really are subjected to social predators like Anna, and
- 5:17Speaker 6: you know, some people just are absolutely you guys mentioned
- 5:20Speaker 6: the glamor, the glitz. It's like they want to believe
- 5:23Speaker 6: and this fake it till you make it lifestyle. You know,
- 5:26Speaker 6: nobody even took the time to say, show me the money,
- 5:29Speaker 6: show me the fun, show me the corroboration behind your
- 5:32Speaker 6: wild stories, because caught up in the moment in an
- 5:35Speaker 6: Instagram savvy society, people want to be in the company
- 5:39Speaker 6: of people like Anna, and sadly, as a prosecutor, I
- 5:42Speaker 6: am just we are just absolutely just terrified of people
- 5:46Speaker 6: like this that are able to so easily infiltrate our social.
- 5:50Speaker 1: Networking to doctor Williams, you a lie of psychologist, author
- 5:52Speaker 1: of a dark and they did a quit her off,
- 5:54Speaker 1: which I was shocked about because this girl actually took
- 5:57Speaker 1: the stand Graham larceny for alleged stealing sixty two thousand
- 6:02Speaker 1: dollars from a friend that she said, come along, I'll
- 6:06Speaker 1: pay for everything on a trip to Morocco. Okay, I
- 6:09Speaker 1: think they actually punished the friend because when you go
- 6:13Speaker 1: on a luxurious trip to Morocco, you stay in a
- 6:16Speaker 1: five star hotel. They went to Spa treatments that were
- 6:20Speaker 1: costing like three hundred dollars a treatment.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Whatever that treatment may be.
- 6:26Speaker 1: Laying in mud, getting their nails whatever, three hundred I
- 6:30Speaker 1: think the Jerry punished that friend for going along with
- 6:34Speaker 1: the excess doctor July.
- 6:36Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, at worse, Nancy, what you're looking at
- 6:39Speaker 7: in cases like this, at worst is a psychopathological level
- 6:43Speaker 7: of narcissism. At best, what you're looking at as a
- 6:45Speaker 7: person who has so much greed and desire to please
- 6:49Speaker 7: herself that she doesn't care what the consequences are for
- 6:52Speaker 7: other people. You were asking earlier, and I just want
- 6:56Speaker 7: to address what you were asking earlier about why and
- 6:59Speaker 7: how and this sort of thing happened. We're all baffled
- 7:02Speaker 7: when we see this, but it's age old. It's a
- 7:04Speaker 7: tale as old as time. The Charlottan comes in and
- 7:08Speaker 7: fools everyone. So there's a part of people that are
- 7:11Speaker 7: looking at this who want to believe this because they
- 7:14Speaker 7: want to hang out with the person who has this
- 7:17Speaker 7: kind of social These types of social credentials and they
- 7:22Speaker 7: want to believe that she's an heiress so that they
- 7:24Speaker 7: can be with her. And people are blaming social media.
- 7:27Speaker 7: It's not the fault of social media. Social media is
- 7:30Speaker 7: just a facilitator to the neediness of other people who
- 7:34Speaker 7: want to believe and accept it.
- 7:36Speaker 1: By are you piling on everybody on the panel except Cortese,
- 7:40Speaker 1: Thank goodness, has keeps talking about the Instagram and society.
- 7:44Speaker 1: You know what, Instagram didn't have a dang thing to
- 7:46Speaker 1: do with this. It was all mistaing crime stories with
- 7:55Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Anna Delvey, the fake heiress has the gall
- 8:05Speaker 1: to wine quote. I was eating like cheese, it's and
- 8:09Speaker 1: diet coke from the vending machine. I don't eat meat,
- 8:12Speaker 1: but you probably don't want to eat meat that they're
- 8:15Speaker 1: serving in jail anyway. And then when I came out,
- 8:19Speaker 1: I needed to eat everything that I was missing.
- 8:22Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed.
- 8:25Speaker 1: Okay, she should be embarrassed, but not because she ate Cheetos.
- 8:32Speaker 1: She should be embarrassed because she is a thief, a
- 8:36Speaker 1: con artist that ripped off everybody, from banks to corporations
- 8:41Speaker 1: to her so called best friends.
- 8:44Speaker 2: But let's take a walk down memory lane.
- 8:47Speaker 1: Her parents' hard working middle class people that she borrowed
- 8:52Speaker 1: a ton of money borrowed.
- 8:53Speaker 2: I eastole a.
- 8:54Speaker 1: Ton of money from them as well. Hey, but she
- 8:57Speaker 1: didn't just create a different identity her parents. I think
- 9:01Speaker 1: the dad drives a truck, and I know that's like
- 9:06Speaker 1: my dad, as you know, worked on the railroad. My
- 9:09Speaker 1: mom started as a bank teller. My grandfather drove an
- 9:12Speaker 1: ice truck and a school bus, anything to put the
- 9:16Speaker 1: food on the table. But she not only assumed different
- 9:20Speaker 1: an identity for herself, but she also created a whole
- 9:23Speaker 1: team of imaginary assistants, an assistant, an accountant, a manager Limley.
- 9:29Speaker 2: Is this true of her imaginary assistance well?
- 9:33Speaker 4: And some were not so imaginary. She even had the
- 9:37Speaker 4: concierge at a hotel essentially on her staff. At her
- 9:41Speaker 4: Beck and Call. She was able to convince people of
- 9:45Speaker 4: not only her wealth, but all of her aspirations, her dreams.
- 9:49Speaker 4: She really wanted to build this member's only arts club
- 9:54Speaker 4: on Park Avenue South and was even working to get
- 9:58Speaker 4: the financing for it.
- 9:59Speaker 1: And was not reading this, John Lanley. She lied to
- 10:02Speaker 1: a bank using phony records.
- 10:05Speaker 8: Anna went too far when she attempted to take out
- 10:07Speaker 8: a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance a
- 10:11Speaker 8: visual art center she called the Anna Deelvi Foundation. In all,
- 10:15Speaker 8: Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred and seventy
- 10:18Speaker 8: five thousand dollars, and his double life began to crumble
- 10:22Speaker 8: as hotels went after her unpaid debts and banks began
- 10:25Speaker 8: to investigate her alleged assets.
- 10:27Speaker 1: Wow, that's Jesse Palmer over at Daily Mail TV.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Wow.
- 10:31Speaker 1: Okay, So, friends and acquaintances say Sorokans spent years playing
- 10:35Speaker 1: the part of an art obsessed German heiress. Sometimes she'd
- 10:39Speaker 1: be Russian, sometimes she'd be German. She had an accent
- 10:43Speaker 1: to go with it, rubbing shoulders with the fashion elite
- 10:46Speaker 1: at Paris Fashion Week, frequently spotted in London night spots.
- 10:52Speaker 1: Then those who knew her saw her at a party
- 10:54Speaker 1: in Berlin. She told everybody she had just flown in
- 10:58Speaker 1: on a private jet. Did she pull it off? Scamming
- 11:02Speaker 1: nearly three hundred thousand dollars. It was only when these
- 11:05Speaker 1: ritzy hotels in New York went after her to pay
- 11:09Speaker 1: her bills that the whole thing fell apart. But what
- 11:13Speaker 1: really amazed me, You know, I don't know if you
- 11:16Speaker 1: do this or not. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor or author
- 11:19Speaker 1: of red Flags on Amazon. Wendy, under the constitution, you
- 11:24Speaker 1: can't force a defendant into court in handcuffs or leg
- 11:29Speaker 1: irons or waist shackle. You can't force them to come
- 11:34Speaker 1: in in inmate jumpsuit, prison blues.
- 11:38Speaker 2: Or orange or stripes, whatever the case may be. But
- 11:41Speaker 2: I would always keep.
- 11:42Speaker 1: A jacket and pants and a couple of different sizes
- 11:45Speaker 1: in my office. So when a defendant would show up
- 11:48Speaker 1: on Monday morning trial calendar and say, oh, yeah, I
- 11:51Speaker 1: want to go to trial, but I don't have a suit,
- 11:53Speaker 1: I go, oh, I do have a suit for you.
- 11:55Speaker 1: But she was more concerned about what she wore to
- 11:58Speaker 1: court every day she had She actually had a personal
- 12:02Speaker 1: dresser dialist dressing her for court. Wendy, Yeah, you know.
- 12:07Speaker 6: Nancy, what you're describing really is something hopefully the judge
- 12:10Speaker 6: will take into considering it fentancing, because it's this entire
- 12:14Speaker 6: mentality of I don't want to say just not getting it.
- 12:17Speaker 6: That would be too kind. It's a complete underappreciation, or
- 12:21Speaker 6: I should say non appreciation for the fact that.
- 12:23Speaker 2: The rest of us work for a living. Her family
- 12:25Speaker 2: works for a living.
- 12:26Speaker 6: There is so much more to life than clothes and
- 12:29Speaker 6: appearances an image.
- 12:30Speaker 1: You know.
- 12:30Speaker 2: One of the things that distinguishes this case is the
- 12:33Speaker 2: fact that this.
- 12:34Speaker 6: Over emphasis on image, on money, on glamour sounds like
- 12:37Speaker 6: it absolutely overrode every ounce of judgment that she had
- 12:40Speaker 6: and to take that into the courtroom, as you mentioned,
- 12:43Speaker 6: Nancy is probably a little bit beyond the pale.
- 12:46Speaker 2: So listen to our friends and inside edition. This is
- 12:48Speaker 2: Diane mcinernie.
- 12:49Speaker 6: This one may look like she is dressed for a
- 12:51Speaker 6: fashion show it and her designer does, but the wannabe socialite
- 12:54Speaker 6: is actually on trial for swindling hundreds of thousands of
- 12:56Speaker 6: dollars from unsuspecting people.
- 12:58Speaker 2: She was so concerned.
- 12:59Speaker 6: About how she looked in court she actually hired a stylist.
- 13:03Speaker 9: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event.
- 13:05Speaker 9: Anna Sorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to
- 13:09Speaker 9: live an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to
- 13:12Speaker 9: trial that is making headlines. The twenty seven year old
- 13:15Speaker 9: defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with
- 13:18Speaker 9: a plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that
- 13:21Speaker 9: could backfire A Warren stylist Don Karen black.
- 13:24Speaker 2: Dress definitely a no.
- 13:26Speaker 5: No.
- 13:26Speaker 10: A hyper sexualize her. It makes her appear to be
- 13:29Speaker 10: like a seductress. The choker kind of shows to me
- 13:33Speaker 10: that she's trying to.
- 13:33Speaker 2: Be overtly sexy.
- 13:35Speaker 10: The more sexy she appears to be, it hurts her.
- 13:39Speaker 9: Sorikin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to
- 13:42Speaker 9: enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given to
- 13:45Speaker 9: wear was not up to her standards. The angry judge
- 13:48Speaker 9: told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. This is not
- 13:51Speaker 9: a fashion show, but Soorakin's lawyer, Todd Spodek says accounts
- 13:55Speaker 9: of his client delaying the trial because of fashion are
- 13:59Speaker 9: being blown out of It's not that she.
- 14:01Speaker 11: Didn't want to come out only because of the clothes.
- 14:04Speaker 11: She's going through a major criminal trial that's publicized every day,
- 14:08Speaker 11: because emotional and it's her life.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Don't cry too much for Anna Sorokan. She was living
- 14:13Speaker 1: a life that many people, not me, but many people
- 14:18Speaker 1: dream of. She made a show of proving she belonged
- 14:22Speaker 1: with the rich and famous. Decked out in signature Selene glasses,
- 14:27Speaker 1: Coucci sandals, high end boties from net to Porte at
- 14:33Speaker 1: least Walker she usually hold up in a four hundred
- 14:36Speaker 1: dollars a night room for months on in at Manhattan's
- 14:42Speaker 1: very very Luxurious eleven Howard Hotel. Concierge at the hotel
- 14:50Speaker 1: said they became friends when she would repeatedly routinely pass
- 14:56Speaker 1: out Crisp one hundred dollar tips to both of them
- 15:00Speaker 1: and Uber drivers. When I hear the words Crisp one
- 15:05Speaker 1: hundred dollars, how many hundred dollar bills do you have, Jackie?
- 15:08Speaker 1: I don't think I have any. So Jeff Cartiese, former
- 15:13Speaker 1: FBI special agent, when I hear the word crisp one
- 15:15Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills, that means you just got them out
- 15:17Speaker 1: of an ATM or from the bank. So how does
- 15:21Speaker 1: she manage to defraud the bank, to get cash, to
- 15:25Speaker 1: tip concierge to fake for her.
- 15:28Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, you know. I think it's
- 15:31Speaker 5: a numbers game. In many respects. There were multiple banks
- 15:35Speaker 5: engaged in her activity. She appears, based on the information,
- 15:40Speaker 5: limited her trips back to the same well those she
- 15:43Speaker 5: would go back to the same bake on occasion for.
- 15:48Speaker 2: Certain banking activity.
- 15:51Speaker 5: She did share the wealth amongst the banks within New York,
- 15:54Speaker 5: so as not to draw too much attention over an
- 15:57Speaker 5: extended period of time.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Well, what I understand that she did, and I'm going
- 16:00Speaker 1: to have to get clarity on this, is that she
- 16:03Speaker 1: would provide fake bank records to one bank and then
- 16:08Speaker 1: they she was trying to get a massive loan for
- 16:11Speaker 1: twenty two million, so she they wanted a down payment,
- 16:15Speaker 1: so she faked.
- 16:16Speaker 2: Records and got I don't know, fifty to one.
- 16:19Speaker 1: Hundred grand from one bank and use that money to
- 16:22Speaker 1: get a loan as a down payment on a loan,
- 16:24Speaker 1: a bigger loan at another bank, none of the banks
- 16:27Speaker 1: realizing what the others were doing. Another thing that really
- 16:30Speaker 1: fascinates me, doctor Williams July, and not in a good way.
- 16:33Speaker 1: It's like looking at a tarantula under a glass box. Okay,
- 16:37Speaker 1: that sort of fascination is the way she carried on
- 16:42Speaker 1: this big, huge, imaginary life. She would splash out on
- 16:47Speaker 1: shopping sprees at boutiques, very expensive personal training sessions and
- 16:52Speaker 1: beautician appointments, and she would always bring along a friend
- 16:56Speaker 1: and pay for them and they would be all impressed.
- 16:59Speaker 1: The elite, as they call themselves, would go to lavish
- 17:05Speaker 1: in large dinners for celebs are as CEOs all in
- 17:11Speaker 1: restaurants there in Soho And if you do look at
- 17:14Speaker 1: her online, she's always drinking a big glass of wine
- 17:17Speaker 1: at some beautiful location. How can an adult have that
- 17:22Speaker 1: type of an imaginary life? I mean, I know when
- 17:25Speaker 1: children have an imaginary friend, there's all sorts of psychological
- 17:28Speaker 1: reasons for that, maybe just security, but an adult.
- 17:31Speaker 7: Certainly people can have these types of imaginary lives and
- 17:36Speaker 7: they're going to recruit other people just because of the
- 17:40Speaker 7: chronological age does not make a person have the maturation
- 17:43Speaker 7: that they should have. And then that can be from
- 17:45Speaker 7: a lot of different things, but certainly, as much as
- 17:49Speaker 7: she can get other people to buy into this, then
- 17:52Speaker 7: that's because she's going to continue and she's going to
- 17:54Speaker 7: expand that imaginary life. And people can be very charming,
- 17:58Speaker 7: They can be very off putting. Excuse me, they can
- 18:01Speaker 7: be very charming, and they can be very persuasive, and
- 18:04Speaker 7: they can get other people to buy in. There are
- 18:06Speaker 7: people that can go into banks and they can fake
- 18:08Speaker 7: a story and they can get people to believe it.
- 18:10Speaker 7: It happens every day, and this is a person who
- 18:12Speaker 7: can do that. And the imaginary fast parts of this.
- 18:16Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't examined her, so I can't go
- 18:18Speaker 7: so far to say she's delusional or anything like that.
- 18:21Speaker 7: But clearly she has the ability maybe a pathological type
- 18:27Speaker 7: of chan Some people can do that, and also can
- 18:30Speaker 7: remember other people are buying into this because the banks
- 18:33Speaker 7: aren't changing credentials properly.
- 18:35Speaker 12: Under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived in New York
- 18:37Speaker 12: with a high priced wardrobe and was known for handing
- 18:40Speaker 12: out one hundred dollars cash tips, reportedly saying at different
- 18:43Speaker 12: points that her father was a diplomat, an oil baron,
- 18:46Speaker 12: or involved in the solar panel business, none of which
- 18:48Speaker 12: are the case. People who knew her said she often
- 18:51Speaker 12: asked others to use their credit cards to cover cab
- 18:53Speaker 12: and plane fares and then failing to repay them.
- 18:56Speaker 1: Our friend Michael Cissak at Time Magazine online, Yeah, there
- 18:59Speaker 1: were one story that came out at trial how she
- 19:04Speaker 1: hired a PR firm to organize her birthday party in Soho.
- 19:08Speaker 1: It emerged she never paid the bill. During her stay
- 19:13Speaker 1: at eleven Howard, she struck up a friend there. In
- 19:18Speaker 1: addition to the concierges to and as for the recommendations
- 19:21Speaker 1: for the very vetty vetty best food in Soho. We
- 19:26Speaker 1: also learned that on one occasion she invited friends to
- 19:30Speaker 1: dinner at Soho s and bro and the friend ended
- 19:35Speaker 1: up paying a whopper massive bill when Soroken's twelve credit
- 19:41Speaker 1: cards were all declined, but Sorokin paid her back triple
- 19:47Speaker 1: the amount the following day in cash. We also learned
- 19:52Speaker 1: that she would go to unique treatments like infrared saunas
- 19:58Speaker 1: in the East Village, go out to dinner after celebrity
- 20:04Speaker 1: training sessions with Casey Duke, which Soroken also paid for
- 20:10Speaker 1: John Limley. How did she get money from one bank
- 20:14Speaker 1: to get a loan from another bank? How did that work?
- 20:16Speaker 4: It's a very interesting line to follow. How she did this.
- 20:21Speaker 4: She would go to a bank and ask for a
- 20:26Speaker 4: certain line of credit based on a lot of times
- 20:30Speaker 4: just a promise of the fact that she had millions
- 20:35Speaker 4: overseas that she could repay the loan, and she would
- 20:39Speaker 4: go from one bank with that money to another bank
- 20:44Speaker 4: and get an even larger In fact, here's an example,
- 20:49Speaker 4: she talked to an exam to an executive with City
- 20:52Speaker 4: National Bank into giving her a line of credit on
- 20:56Speaker 4: her account for one hundred thousand dollars, promising to repay
- 21:00Speaker 4: it with a wire transfer from a European account. She
- 21:05Speaker 4: used that money in a failed attempt to secure a
- 21:08Speaker 4: twenty five million dollar loan from Fortress Investment Group, and
- 21:14Speaker 4: the one of the managing directors at Fortress has said
- 21:18Speaker 4: that she ran into problems providing details about the origin
- 21:22Speaker 4: of her wealth. Someone actually thought to ask about that.
- 21:25Speaker 1: You know, her lines became more and more spectacular. Wendy Patchett,
- 21:28Speaker 1: California prosecutor. In fact, she even managed to charter a
- 21:32Speaker 1: private plane on one occasion with absolutely zero money.
- 21:37Speaker 2: Wendy, how do you do that?
- 21:39Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 21:39Speaker 6: The level of sophistication Nancy, as John was explaining and
- 21:42Speaker 6: as we know now looking back, was absolutely stunning. It
- 21:46Speaker 6: was almost as if she was daring authorities to catch
- 21:49Speaker 6: her in this escalating scheme of sophistication. And you know,
- 21:52Speaker 6: the answer to how you do that is the same
- 21:55Speaker 6: way we've commit we see people.
- 21:56Speaker 2: Committing other crimes.
- 21:57Speaker 6: Is sometimes people are so trusting because image matters. You know,
- 22:01Speaker 6: this is something I talk about in my book. We
- 22:03Speaker 6: tend to attribute all these positive qualities to somebody who
- 22:07Speaker 6: comes across as believable, whether they're pretty, or we like
- 22:10Speaker 6: what they say, or we're enamored with their axe and
- 22:12Speaker 6: or their clothes. All the types of things that Anna
- 22:15Speaker 6: used to get ahead can fool other people into letting
- 22:18Speaker 6: them acquire the kind of wealth and as you point out,
- 22:21Speaker 6: tangible benefits that this young lady did.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Don Lemley tell me about the lux treatment she got
- 22:26Speaker 1: in Morocco where she ended up stiffing her friend with
- 22:29Speaker 1: the bail.
- 22:29Speaker 4: Well, when they went to Marrakesh, she went with a
- 22:35Speaker 4: friend and she had offered to pay for everything. Now
- 22:39Speaker 4: her friend actually offered to help pay, but she said, no, no, no,
- 22:44Speaker 4: you work hard for your money, harder for your money
- 22:47Speaker 4: than I do. This is my treat, and they would
- 22:51Speaker 4: go out for a round of drinks and oops, she
- 22:55Speaker 4: forgot her credit cards. So she would ask, you know,
- 22:58Speaker 4: very quietly, if the could you know, just cover this
- 23:01Speaker 4: one check. And that would happen over and over and
- 23:04Speaker 4: over again, and this friend in the end ended up
- 23:09Speaker 4: covering the sixty two thousand dollars cost of the flights, dining, shopping,
- 23:15Speaker 4: and the stay at a hotel where they had a
- 23:18Speaker 4: private villa with a courtyard, a pool and a butler.
- 23:22Speaker 4: All the extravagance that you might say was fit for,
- 23:26Speaker 4: say a Kardashian.
- 23:27Speaker 2: A sixty two thousand dollars vacation that is more.
- 23:32Speaker 1: Than most people make an entire year. While in Marrakesh,
- 23:39Speaker 1: Morocco Soroken aka delv took part in all the activities
- 23:44Speaker 1: the hotel had to offer.
- 23:46Speaker 2: For instance, they.
- 23:47Speaker 1: Took private tennis lessons. They ate breakfast pool side, a
- 23:52Speaker 1: butler would deliver them fresh watermelons and bottles of rose.
- 23:59Speaker 1: They run, owned the gardens, relaxed, swam in the villa's private.
- 24:06Speaker 2: Pool, took a tour of the.
- 24:08Speaker 1: Wine cellar, eight dinner with live Moroccan music, before capping
- 24:14Speaker 1: off their knives with cocktails at the Churchill Bar. I mean,
- 24:20Speaker 1: this is a trip that most people only dream of.
- 24:24Speaker 1: And now here's miss thing, having a nearly seventy thousand
- 24:28Speaker 1: dollars vacation built on crime.
- 24:32Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Nancy, the best things in life are free,
- 24:36Speaker 6: and everybody knows that. So when you look at a
- 24:39Speaker 6: story like this, part of I think the offense that
- 24:41Speaker 6: everyone is taking is to use crime and criminal activity
- 24:45Speaker 6: to build a fake world where people pay the kind
- 24:48Speaker 6: of money that most of us would never do even
- 24:50Speaker 6: if we had it, and you talk about the value
- 24:52Speaker 6: of hard work. The way we were all raised, it
- 24:55Speaker 6: sounds like those she surrounded herself were really taken with
- 24:58Speaker 6: the fact that someone they believe as rich and famous
- 25:01Speaker 6: as she was would be interested in them.
- 25:03Speaker 2: That is a basic human need.
- 25:05Speaker 6: Ironically, that was being satisfied through criming through, as you
- 25:10Speaker 6: pointed out earlier, having this imaginary friend that's larger than life.
- 25:21Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
- 25:27Speaker 1: Anna Delviy, the fraudster, the con artist, the ripoff star,
- 25:33Speaker 1: now whining that she's embarrassed not because she stole from
- 25:38Speaker 1: her so called best friends, but because she gained weight
- 25:41Speaker 1: behind bars. She says she tried ozimpic, but quote, it
- 25:45Speaker 1: just made me depressed. It made me feel like it
- 25:48Speaker 1: sucked the life out of me. That's probably how your
- 25:50Speaker 1: friends felt after you sucked all the money out of.
- 25:53Speaker 2: Their bank accounts.
- 25:54Speaker 1: Delvy aka Anna Sorkin listed a long series of beauty
- 26:00Speaker 1: treatment she's been having lately, from cupping to laser therapy
- 26:06Speaker 1: to vampire facials. Uh where's she getting all that money?
- 26:12Speaker 1: Did she make that much on Dancing with the Stars?
- 26:15Speaker 1: All I know is that money should be used to
- 26:18Speaker 1: pay back all of her victims. Remember her friends banks
- 26:23Speaker 1: hotels that she ripped off. You know, I don't know
- 26:26Speaker 1: about you, Jeff Cortize, FBI special agent, but I loved
- 26:31Speaker 1: it when I would of course, the prosecutor gets in
- 26:34Speaker 1: front of an entire jury panel and reads the indictment
- 26:37Speaker 1: before you begin jury selection, so everybody knows.
- 26:41Speaker 2: Who's charged with what and what all the counts are.
- 26:44Speaker 1: And I would love it to say state versus Jeff
- 26:47Speaker 1: Cortize aka Charlie Tuna aka the Hammer aka blah.
- 26:56Speaker 2: Blah blah, and so forth and so on.
- 26:58Speaker 1: I would love reading out ten or twelve aliases and
- 27:02Speaker 1: by the time you've done reading that that, Jerry just
- 27:04Speaker 1: looks at the person and goes, You're so you're.
- 27:06Speaker 2: You're guilty, You're guilty. Why are you? Why do you
- 27:10Speaker 2: have twelve aliases?
- 27:11Speaker 1: And this girl, I'm telling you, not only had aliases,
- 27:16Speaker 1: but she had fake assistance. She lied about her mom
- 27:20Speaker 1: and dad who they really are. The reality is that
- 27:24Speaker 1: her father was a truck driver and he went on
- 27:30Speaker 1: to work at or start a heating and air conditioned business.
- 27:36Speaker 1: The friends in school called her Barbie and her favorite movie.
- 27:41Speaker 2: Was Mean Girls. And I don't think that's any of
- 27:46Speaker 2: that is good.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Okay, that means nothing good, Jeff Cartize, No, I agree.
- 27:50Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
- 27:51Speaker 5: You hit it on the head. You know, the minute
- 27:54Speaker 5: individuals start layering themselves with aliases and aka's, you know,
- 27:59Speaker 5: they're putting up walls and barriers that that any jury
- 28:02Speaker 5: is going to be able to see through. You know,
- 28:04Speaker 5: she really executed a well thought out plan against the banks,
- 28:10Speaker 5: using multiple techniques and methods to siphon money from them.
- 28:16Speaker 2: You know, from from.
- 28:16Speaker 5: Top to bottom. She exploited what people want to see
- 28:21Speaker 5: and exploited the type of lifestyle that people want to
- 28:24Speaker 5: have to the extent that you know, if I was
- 28:26Speaker 5: going to run undercover, I would I would have done
- 28:28Speaker 5: many of the techniques that she did in order to
- 28:31Speaker 5: manipulate my audience.
- 28:33Speaker 1: Well, another aspect to this, John Lemley, is I remember
- 28:37Speaker 1: one day when John David came running home in it.
- 28:41Speaker 1: So and So's mom is so cool. She works for
- 28:45Speaker 1: Chick fil A and she gets free T shirts and
- 28:49Speaker 1: she gets this, and she gets that. I think the
- 28:52Speaker 1: lady who's very lovely was in marketing or PR and
- 28:56Speaker 1: would bring home, you know, like a T shirt or
- 28:59Speaker 1: a moocau or what whatever they had, and I thought
- 29:03Speaker 1: briefly of creating a different persona to try to impress
- 29:09Speaker 1: John Davis's friends, who were then four years old. Okay,
- 29:14Speaker 1: but I just decided no, I'm just going to stick
- 29:16Speaker 1: with the truth, you know, and let the chips.
- 29:17Speaker 2: Fall where they may. But John Lumley, I mean.
- 29:21Speaker 1: That would hurt me If I found out the twins
- 29:24Speaker 1: were lying about.
- 29:27Speaker 2: Their mom and dad, that what we are.
- 29:31Speaker 1: Isn't good enough to fit in to their self image
- 29:35Speaker 1: they're projecting, that would really hurt my feelers.
- 29:37Speaker 4: And that's exactly the way her parents felt about the
- 29:40Speaker 4: whole thing. They actually did help fund her through college
- 29:45Speaker 4: and as she was getting out on her own, but
- 29:48Speaker 4: there was never any sort of trust fund. She moved
- 29:52Speaker 4: to Germany in two thousand and seven, and after she
- 29:56Speaker 4: dropped out of college, she interned in public relations before
- 30:00Speaker 4: were then moving to Paris and became an intern at
- 30:03Speaker 4: Purple Magazine. Once she arrived in New York City, she
- 30:07Speaker 4: just somehow managed to be in all the sort of
- 30:10Speaker 4: right places. And she was this German heiress, according to her,
- 30:15Speaker 4: with a father that you would think.
- 30:18Speaker 2: With me, Wait a minute, I thought she was supposed
- 30:20Speaker 2: to be a Russian heiress.
- 30:21Speaker 4: Well, no, she was from Russia, but she told people
- 30:26Speaker 4: she was a German heiress. What's really funny, though, is
- 30:29Speaker 4: that her German, according to a lot of people, was terrible.
- 30:33Speaker 1: M I want you to take a listen to what
- 30:36Speaker 1: the defense claims in closing arguments.
- 30:38Speaker 13: She had to fake it until she could make it.
- 30:40Speaker 13: Those words from the defendant's own attorney, who claimed she
- 30:43Speaker 13: never intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her
- 30:46Speaker 13: a fraud and a liar who would do almost anything
- 30:49Speaker 13: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate
- 30:54Speaker 13: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands
- 30:57Speaker 13: of a jury, both sides mapping up arguments for a
- 31:01Speaker 13: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even
- 31:06Speaker 13: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She
- 31:09Speaker 13: called herself Anna Delviy, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say
- 31:14Speaker 13: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living
- 31:17Speaker 13: a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite.
- 31:24Speaker 2: That is an order of law and that beyond, prosecutors say.
- 31:33Speaker 13: The twenty eight year old, whose real name is Anna Sorrikan,
- 31:36Speaker 13: stole two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars from banks, hotels,
- 31:40Speaker 13: and friends, all part of an elaborate scheme to keep
- 31:43Speaker 13: up her illusion of grandeur. Prosecutors also alleged Sorrikin tried
- 31:47Speaker 13: securing a twenty two million dollar loan to operate a
- 31:50Speaker 13: private club, claims her lawyer denies.
- 31:53Speaker 11: I do not believe she had the intent to ever
- 31:55Speaker 11: commit a crime. Whether she owes people money, that's a
- 31:59Speaker 11: fact of life. That's that's the reality of doing business.
- 32:01Speaker 2: In New York.
- 32:02Speaker 13: Now, facing charges of grand larceny and theft, she could
- 32:05Speaker 13: spend up to fifteen years in prison if convicted. An
- 32:09Speaker 13: official say, even if acquitted, she will be deported to Germany.
- 32:13Speaker 13: Sorkin's attorney says she got in over her head but
- 32:16Speaker 13: was just buying time until she could pay everyone back.
- 32:18Speaker 1: You're hearing our buddy wit Johnson at GMA, at ABC
- 32:23Speaker 1: pay everybody back. I saw no signs of paying everybody
- 32:26Speaker 1: back and calling this doing business.
- 32:29Speaker 2: That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Now you know
- 32:32Speaker 2: there's a problem.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. When
- 32:37Speaker 1: the defense to theft and fraud is fake, it till
- 32:42Speaker 1: you make it okay, I would not say that that's
- 32:45Speaker 1: a valid defense and a fraud case, you're admitting you're
- 32:49Speaker 1: faking it.
- 32:50Speaker 2: It's probably not a good theme for the defense one.
- 32:52Speaker 2: I'm sure they're rethinking right about now. You don't want to.
- 32:56Speaker 6: That's kind of playing right into the prosecutor's case what
- 33:00Speaker 6: they probably were trying to do. Interestingly in trial, and Nancy,
- 33:03Speaker 6: you and I have both seen this is really kind
- 33:05Speaker 6: of painting this vulnerability picture of the defendant to try
- 33:08Speaker 6: to make somebody feel sorry for her that she was
- 33:10Speaker 6: caught up in this false lifestyle, felt she had to
- 33:13Speaker 6: pretend she was somebody she wasn't.
- 33:14Speaker 2: Who can't relate to that.
- 33:16Speaker 6: There's a little bit of Anna and all of us,
- 33:18Speaker 6: you know some of the themes.
- 33:19Speaker 1: We' well, wait, I want to isolate what you just said.
- 33:23Speaker 1: The defense argued at trial as if Anna Sorokan aka
- 33:28Speaker 1: Anna Delphy was some type of a renegade and a rebel,
- 33:34Speaker 1: someone who was, you know, making her own path in
- 33:37Speaker 1: the world creatively. B As, don't tell me there's a
- 33:41Speaker 1: little bit of Anna Sorocan in me, because that was
- 33:44Speaker 1: their defense. There's a little bit of Anna and all
- 33:46Speaker 1: of us. Oh uh uh uh no, because she is
- 33:50Speaker 1: a fraud, a thief, and she ripped people off and
- 33:53Speaker 1: they're never going to get repaid.
- 33:55Speaker 2: Wendy, Right, That's what I'm saying that.
- 33:58Speaker 6: Well, that's bably why she was convicted, because these defenses
- 34:01Speaker 6: are just not realistic to jurors, to hardworking jurors, and
- 34:05Speaker 6: just cannot relate to the fact that we are anything
- 34:09Speaker 6: like this picture of Anna. Nonetheless, we have seen this
- 34:12Speaker 6: defense time and again and thankfully it is not successful.
- 34:15Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
- 34:18Speaker 13: The courtroom drama played out late into the evening. At
- 34:20Speaker 13: one point the jury appeared deadlock, the defense asking for
- 34:23Speaker 13: a mistrial, but then the verdict, jurors agreeing with the
- 34:27Speaker 13: prosecution that anahsauricin built her fairytale life on a foundation
- 34:31Speaker 13: of theft and lives. Overnight, a New York City jury
- 34:35Speaker 13: finding socialite anasauricin a so called SOHO grifter guilty on
- 34:40Speaker 13: eight counts, including grand larceny, attempted grand larceny, and theft
- 34:45Speaker 13: of services. Prosecutors arguing the twenty eight year old stole
- 34:48Speaker 13: a quarter of a million dollars from banks, hotels and
- 34:51Speaker 13: friends to fund a lavish lifestyle to jurors.
- 34:55Speaker 11: Obviously believed our point of view and followed our logic
- 34:58Speaker 11: and acquitted her of the top charges. I'm sad and
- 35:00Speaker 11: that she.
- 35:01Speaker 12: Was convicted of some of the other charges.
- 35:03Speaker 13: Prosecutors say the Russian born Sorkin, who called herself Anna Delvi,
- 35:07Speaker 13: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living
- 35:10Speaker 13: a life of glamour among Manhattan's elite authority. To say,
- 35:14Speaker 13: she even forged financial documents hoping to get a twenty
- 35:17Speaker 13: two million dollar loan to open a private club in
- 35:20Speaker 13: the Big Apple.
- 35:21Speaker 2: A word of legal advice, I'm solicited. I'll give it
- 35:24Speaker 2: to you for free. Delvi b Quiet silence is golden.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Keep all those special feelings to yourself and they'll be
- 35:35Speaker 1: even more special. We wait as just as unfolds, I
- 35:40Speaker 1: predict we have not heard the last from Anna Delby
- 35:44Speaker 1: aka Anna Suckti