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Bears get great news before Packers playoff game and why it's a huge deal · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Winters City pod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Present it by fan side it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Kenneth Davis that is Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the Green Bay Packers coming to Chicago Saturday night to face the bears in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The playoffs, the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, we're going to go over injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have our predictions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to talk all things, bears, packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything in the field that really calls them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to find out what Alex thinks about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Harbaugh getting kicked to the curb by, you know, the Ravens and, you know, stuff at nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Alex, one, how are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something we have never done together on this program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last time the Bears are in the playoffs was in 2020.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we came
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had to discuss a lot of bad bears football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And fortunately, we had a good time to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, fortunately, you know, I mean, and that's the thing about sports even with your team not necessarily doing well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still brings people together and gives you some sense of community in some sense of fellowship with people and that's one thing that is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even with bad bears football that mean you got to know each other through talking about the bears and everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people have their hand in making that at NBC Sports when it was let alone putting us on television and everybody that did that and we're always be thankful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, Larry Tony, Claire and Tony run in the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Claire and Tony run in the show and Josh Schrock Bulldog ship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, everybody in studios when we had bigger shelves in the studios, uh, Glenn and all the crew, um, everybody that was holding us down, um, while we're all the producers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, let first of all, all the producers of work that NBC sports, or tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to skip anybody's name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even want to start naming anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, enough of that you brought us here to play off a phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got to see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They finally got to see it But listen Saturday night, of course here locally you'll be able to watch it But you will have to if you're not in the Chicago area or the Green Bay area watch it on Amazon Prime So I hope you have your prime membership
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[SPEAKER_00]: Billionaires, but I think before we talk about this upcoming game, it was something a discussion, and I'm always weekly on the under the hood podcast with Jay Hood, and we discussed Tariq Stevenson, they in the healthy scratch basically last week, and I wanted to know your thoughts Alex on one, why do you think he's a healthy scratch?
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[SPEAKER_00]: was it the right thing to do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course now, this is being backseat drivers because we didn't know how the game was going to play out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But was it the best thing for Dennis Island and for Ben Johnson to go with in that game last week versus the lines?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really have a problem with it because when you think about it, like how many teams are rotating their corner backs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got your CB1, you got your CB2 and those are the guys who play right for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that there had been a bit of a rotation among those corner backs when Jalen Johnson got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johns was maybe still on SNAP count.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson still on a ramp up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jalen Johnson, they kind of got him on the field when they needed to get him on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while he was still working back to 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that Jalen Johnson is 100% even right now, working back from that injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as he was working through all that stuff, you got to imagine, okay, we're going to give you two series,
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[SPEAKER_01]: At the start of the game, we're going to give you a few series in the middle and we're going to sprinkle tyrex Stevenson in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As we can, and then of course, Nashon right has also been banged up in the interim as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been in and out of games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tyrex Stevenson has come in when Nashon right is being attended to on the sideline when Nashon rights in the blue medical tent right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's allowed tyrex Stevenson to get on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As Jalen Johnson has his C legs under him a little bit more to shine right hasn't been banged up enough to keep him off the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just back to CB1 and CB2 and I can understand some armchair quarterbacking or armchair defense of coordinating, if you will, armchair corner backs coaching, and we're in the Sean rights getting cooked quite frankly in man coverage, in the Sean right given up touchdowns, but to be honest, he's done that all season long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a boomer bust corner and the Sean
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[SPEAKER_01]: can make an unbelievably athletic play on the ball and those can be game-changing place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's made so many game-changing plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't necessarily want to take Nishon right off the field because I know at any moment he could have, I mean truly athletic, unbelievably athletic, interceptions,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why, you know, I just don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Tyrex Stevenson is a playmaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't discount that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a playmaker as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has made plenty of plays on the ball in his own right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Nishon Wright, in my opinion, with what he is done with his ballhacking skills, has earned his right to be on that football field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll just bring it back to the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most teams got their CB1 and their CB2, and they play their CB1 and their CB2.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyrex Stevenson sitting on the sidelines waiting for his next man up our opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But bears bears should be glad that Tyrex Stevenson is ready for his next man up opportunity because guys continue to get dinged up, you know, if Jalen Johnson, if Nishon Wright does reactivate something or suffer some new injury, they'll be all right because they have him waiting in the wings, but I don't necessarily think the bears need to have like a cornerback rotation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only thing, everything you said is valid, the only thing for me is the fact that Jail and Johnson really isn't Jail and Johnson right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're paying, he's getting paid tremendously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he clearly, and it deservedly so is your quarterback, cornerback one, but he was rushed back at the beginning of the season two or early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it still kind of feels like, and I don't know if he will be 100% probably not this season, but it's still, in some ways, feels like perhaps he's still being rushed back and having him at
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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe 75%, 70%, I don't, right now, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, every quarterback gets burnt, so that's whatever, but just the full-out go, I don't know if he necessarily has it, but he gets early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I just worry about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about a healthy towery Stevenson and of course, Jalen Johnson is a better player than Tyre Stevenson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, Tyre Stevenson has some tremendous intersections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like full extension, smashing the ball out the sky, diving for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also going to be a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he had against the Cowboys to really kick off that Cowboys game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But look, sticking with that, I want to stick with the cornerbacks, particularly, you know, and switch to the nickel back, because Calagordon seems to be revved up to come back for this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that we've talked about a lot with the last show, and me being angry,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that with the Dennis Allen dislike that's been rampant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like in the Bayer's fan base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's been somewhat unrealistic when you're talking about the personnel that the Bayer's have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Collegord would be in a key feature in bringing pressure that we saw briefly when he returned and we saw
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[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes with CJ Garda Johnson, but also just be also being athletic enough to cover because listen, coverage CJ Garda Johnson is exposed and to have that athletic corner back could really help Denys Allen and that defense going into this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that always?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyler Gordon could, it's truly the perfect time for him to be coming back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like Captain obvious there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as you mentioned, bears have started to become more exposed, especially in the middle of that field, especially when they're playing man, which they do quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is where Kyler Gordon can help the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: CJ Gardner Johnson,
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[SPEAKER_01]: really good ball skills, good, instinctual player when he can keep his eyes on the quarterback, everything that's going on in front of him, and obviously we saw he could be effective blessing the quarterback as well, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: do got torched time and time again in man coverage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is where Kyler Gordon and his kind of lateral agility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can keep up with those players a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has shown throughout his short career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a he's a pretty fierce defender in the middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is where the bears have gotten burned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how many of those incudders?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many of those mesh things in the middle?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, the slants, you know, just getting slanted to death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those concepts that have kind of really plagued the bears over the past few weeks, Kyla Gordon should provide a huge boost in that department.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it is also curious how healthy is Kyla Gordon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a dude?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're 70%, it's a good place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we need 70% Kyla Gordon right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he should give the bears a little shot in the out just like CJ Gardner Johnson gave the bears a little shot in the arm when he came to the team now Kyla Gordon returning You would imagine it gives them a shot in the arm especially in the middle and I imagine it will help the linebackers as well known like okay, we got Kyla here
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how that helps Tramaine Edmunds as well, how that helps TJ Edwards as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So huge, huge boost for that bear's defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Helps the run defense also, just that's kind of what you are getting to, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in a way, this is rudimentary football, but that nickel cornerback is, I won't say a hybrid of a lineback, we're playing close into the line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're usually the closest there if the running backs get into the edge on their side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or that gap that's on their side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, having him back, they need him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's at 70, I'm not, of course, you just don't want him to get to read injure himself, but even at 70, and he just got paid, it's time to get some, get some of the usage out of the young man and with that, that first check-in is pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And on top of that, you're talking about one of the better traditionally receiving cores within the NFL when you talk about the Grand Bay Packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you all hands on deck because they easily basically go four to five deep with guys that can catch you know Like yeah, they're fourth guy will have a game and you'd be like oh, man I'll Christian Watson will be just haunting you right it's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like a healthy Christian Watson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go again And Jordan love is one of the better deep all drawers in this NFL like that's one thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: but with those receivers, there's some rainbow arches that fall from the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, man, this game right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, well, continue with the injury report, but man, I'm gonna be mad if they lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will cause this green bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one losing in the first game in the playoffs was staying, but losing to green bay, particularly when you almost beat them twice this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I guess vision when the bear and you want the division right in the context of the loss, right, like the doors are blown off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Oh, my goodness, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I will talk, we'll give our predictions towards the end of the show, but I've just, I want your thoughts in the chat, uh, everybody as far as what you do with the bear's victory, but how long he may burn your side before you can relish in what the season was if the bears are unfortunately beaten by the pack on the lakeside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This upcoming Sunday Saturday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, give back to the injury report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman Doose has been limited in practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, you know, the go-to guy for K-lips and sees they both were drafted here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This season, he was the number one receiver until prior to going down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Re-suffles the deck and puts everyone back kind of in their spot if Rome is healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the good thing about Rome to be an unhealthy it got Luther Burton more reps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And coast to level was on a come up, but it gave him more opportunities also and it worked in a lot of guys we didn't get enough DJ more work got a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a couple of others said maybe a half, maybe a half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a featuring him is what I'm trying to say, but we got to, we can definitely got to because the bomb of the bomb, of course, that's one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had that one like six weeks ago where he had that blue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But six or seven, he had that big game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were just talking about DJ needs to get the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they really, I'll read you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, talk about the Browns game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, it was, I was about the Browns game around the Browns game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you hit on it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, while Rome was gone, what it did is, the bears spread the ball around more than we've seen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Rome kind of was turning into a vacuum of targets, both in the rhythm of the offense, and then every time things broke down, it was like 18 is look of 15, where's 15, where's 15?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think you're right, there might be a little silver lining that, okay, hey, developing some rapport with Colson Loveland, who's going to be very important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, getting the ball and Luther burdens hands more as a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be very important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, okay, when we need to, let's go to two and two is obviously still really, really good receiver as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: back into the mix, now it presents a much bigger challenge, a much bigger challenge for opposing defenses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you would imagine it opens everything up again, because DJ Moore's solid deep threat, solid deep threat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But his bread and butter is the intermediate, the middle parts of the field, kind of like what we saw with Ammon Rossane Brown, like Ammon Rossane Brown can catch a deep pass, but James and Williams is their deep threat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where DJ Moore can catch a deep pass, but Roma Dunze is this team's deep threat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Luther Burton as well, Luther Burton as well, but he is a kind of year behind, a year behind Roma Dunze, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you add Roma Dunze back to this mix, this big time vertical threat that you absolutely must respect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should once again open up that middle more four more clothes in the lovely make things easier for DJ more and of course if you target room of dunes a five six times he's probably going to catch four five balls for a bunch of yards for a bunch of yards huge target in the red zone as a lot adds a lot to this offense and when this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been struggling to find consistency, has been operating well, but in spurts, you will imagine that bringing him back into the fold will help them be more consistent again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everything you said I agree with, but while you were talking stuff across my mind that we haven't discussed and I haven't really heard anyone discuss this and correct me if I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me, the huge Ben Johnson fan, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I just looked up, how many targets and receptions does DeAndre Swift have?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been targeted 48 times, he has like 34 receptions, I believe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me double check real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's make sure I'm accurate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Feel like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 48, 48 targets, 34 receptions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think now, and again, I'm sorry that I mentioned this late, it's a time to exploit him in the passing game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, it's like having a run-in-back with the abilities, the shifting instead he has, um, particularly with the weapons that the bears have, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you mentioned if Rome is playing, you have, you got to cover Rome, DJ, coast and lovelin, Colcomit, and if they're in 12 or, you know, depending on just another, I said DJ, so the two receivers are out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you should take advantage of again, the fenders being further from the box and just having the address with right behind a lot basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to really take, like, I don't know, I'm hoping this is my hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope this is a wrinkle that Ben Johnson's waiting to use in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm thinking about Detroit and some of the stuff they did with Jamir Gibbs touchdown pass that Jericho threw to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and using the underswipped a lot more in that fashion throughout this playoff run, because teams necessarily haven't practiced for him to be used in the passing game, and perhaps you can do that because there's not a situation where he is the focus of the office, where teams will be already keyed up on him, particularly in the passing game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, teams know the bears run the ball well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Green Bay knows the bears can run the ball well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But using him could be a rinkler, perhaps, uh, uh, help the offense, uh, moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I think in some ways, and
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a revelation, a type of running back that he's been this season and all we're all huge Kalmanunga guys, but the grit and the shift lately, like some of the shift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shifts always been there, but the shift in the angles, it'll be interesting to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, again, Alex, I'm just throwing it out there because why you were talking to just cross my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's been probably underutilized throughout the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a guy who probably is deserving of three or four targets a game we know what he can do in space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen even moments last year where that was where he was most effective was catching the ball out of the backfield screen or not, you know, you throw him out on a wheel route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can run a wheel route.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little arrow route.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little arrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these screens work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, we've been through a lot of bad screens the last three or four years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like last like 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, do so, but the screen, yeah, the screen games there, but like I'm, I'm talking about a wheel route.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, take advantage of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: look as him as a late drifter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, where perhaps he's in the block and then he drifts out depending on, you know, where the defender is decaying up, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He drifts out to get to go like this, but take it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a weapon to be used in the passing day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be interesting to see them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because right now, you got to pull out the church you have in use.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I won't fund the middle football, Ben.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fundamental football, right?
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But you got me down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where, boy, where we better say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want a second-of-one wildcat?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, like, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need Beijing out there for any reason whatsoever during this game, right?
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that, that just crossed my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, I, I hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's a decoy, and I mean, of course, they will use him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope Rome is out there because I just think that, I won't say it, it adds a wrinkle that the other team really has to pay attention to defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I hope he's healthy, and he can play, and he can catch receptions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Rome is healthy and telegordinous healthy, it really benefits this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are estimations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first day practice was a walk through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these are estimations, but I believe he was estimated as a limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that would definitely.
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And also helps.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Because then you can go jump up because that's another thing the bears have done.
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And have been pretty successful and is bringing in.
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: an an extra lineman to be that extra blocker to to go super jumbo uh... as a trapella was the jumbo guy for a while and then the abenit became the jumbo guy but obviously trapella was down so they lost their jumbo guy but that's another little wrinkle that having all your healthy offensive lineman for you you know it's funny you mentioned you said it's time to bust out all the tricks
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I was also kind of thinking this in the moments after the game, and this is kind of, you know, obviously record post game shows right away because we want to react right away, but what it doesn't afford you is a little bit of time to reflect, and after a little bit of reflection, part of me got to wondering is we, you know, we got kind of talking about how uninspired.
22:35
[SPEAKER_01]: the performance was, especially on offense, effort didn't appear to be there, but just like everything, top to bottom, the game plan didn't seem to be like, there didn't seem to be any anything to to what they were doing.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder, I wonder if the bearers kept it purposely vanilla.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: The Nella.
22:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So that they don't show, it's just one week of not showing what we've got up our sleeves.
23:04
[SPEAKER_01]: One week of showing, here's what we're iterating on, right?
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: To save some of your iterations of what you have put on tape, because
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: the packers had watched their tape and it seemed like they were ready for what the bears were doing.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the bears and this is pure speculation, pure speculation.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder if it was purposely vanilla so that they could save some iterations, they could save some new looks.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: for the packers in a game that completely mattered, because they had already punched the ticket, and I wonder if the bears are like, hey, if we're the two seed of the three seed, like obviously being the two seed is better than being the three seed, but we're gonna have a home game of the wild card no matter what, and we like how we match up against
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: the Niners and we like how we match up against the random we like how we match up against the Packers so let's just get through this week and get and get on to the playoffs again pure speculation but I do wonder if if there is a little method to the vanilla of it all last week my okay I like that my only issue would be
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool if you think and you should think you can beat anybody.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing we've said on this show is that the bears can beat anybody.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, now there are teams that you, the probability would be on the other team side.
24:21
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the honest truth, all right.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But we've seen that they can score for anybody.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen that they can turn over.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They can be the best in the league.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Turn over the ball this season on defense, right?
24:31
[SPEAKER_00]: and that gives them more bites at the apple, that breaks up other teams, drives rather long or short and it gives the bears more time with the time of possession on the clock, right?
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's also reality.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reality is, the NFC West teams are better
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: than the NSC North teams right now, right?
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And as cool that you think like that as far as the bears, but you could have put yourself in a situation where you had to go up against San Francisco or the Rams right away rather than giving yourself a chance to really make some noise in the playoffs.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is just my opinion.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get if they're like, with all cumbers, right?
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I take y'all alone.
25:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy about that.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure, I think to your point, I'm sure there are things that the last couple of games they didn't want to put on feel.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there has to be.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Particularly with this coach like
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Knowing the holds, type of Detroit philosophy, we still see it with Detroit now.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing about Ben Johnson was, yeah, he's a trickster, but that's not the fundamentals of his office.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Fundamentals is running the ball, right?
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he's always been appealing as being the bear's head coach of mine for me, or whatever.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I like that, but man, I just, listen, the taking a shot.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know this is just,
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: rudimentary, hey, I got the job.
26:07
[SPEAKER_00]: They told me to say something about the Packers, right?
26:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time a bear's higher coach, they have to say something odd about the Packers, because it's never seen, hey, you know, I've beaten the Packers a couple times.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy being the backers twice a year.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the that taking the shots that Matt LaFlor basically, um, man, you now's time to put up and shut up.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you packers twice this year now.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great answer.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You got your points.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You got your points.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You got your points.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Great point, man, just to think about how that's the chatter and green bay and be if they can pull off and beat the bears and I won't say it's upset because you'll break down the bed nods a little bit later, but still for that to take place defensively is there anybody look the on a packer side we what thing we haven't talked about real quick as far as the packer's injuries.
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a guy near dear to your heart that it was limited and that's the Vanessa was a full participant of practice.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: First thing I thought about with with you, uh, you had John Williams was limited in practice, uh, what, uh, Javon Bullard was limited in practice.
27:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And that one's important, um, I think.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Leak Willis, we just hope we don't have to see him.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Be up, Bob Melton, Zack Tom, had a limited, it was limited in practice.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, Bob Melton, a Matthew Golden, of course, was a full participant in his injuries with his Achilles, and Adrian Cooper, the linebacker was limited.
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see Friday how many of these guys are gonna be ruled, healthy enough to play.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you, can I let me ask you something?
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we get that any earlier since the game was on Saturday?
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so the final, yes, the game statuses will be out Thursday.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, thank you, thank you.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought.
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've found out, we've found out on a final tomorrow actually recording us on the Wednesday.
28:10
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll find out tomorrow how many of those guys are ready to go and how it could or could not impact the game on the green base on the ball.
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But definitely some of those guys are some some key, some key guys to benefit them if they're going to try to beat the bears on the lake for it.
28:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, sir.
28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: odds.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the odds?
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: My gambling guy.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So when we recorded our post game at, I just pulled up the instant reaction from Vegas odds that had just been posted, right?
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was half time of Raven Steelers.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was waiting for those game times of bam there.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They were and we got the the times we knew it was going to be Saturday, right?
28:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And Vegas was split, which is rare.
28:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It is rare when different books have one team favored over another, right?
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I forgot what it was.
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's call it book A, had the bears.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one and a half point favorites and book B.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The Packers is one and a half favorites.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But now Vegas is aligned.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: and they say the bears are dogs at home.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting one and a half points at home.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Now for folks at home who are casual about us, they're don't bet at all.
29:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in some ways a prediction of what the margin of victory will be, but really it's also a way Vegas wants to make sure that the handle, the amount of money,
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: is even on both sides, right?
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Vegas wins when half of the bets are on one side and the half are on the other side.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to get in the details of the vague and the juice and all of that.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's Vegas's goal.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: To make sure that the amount of money is split down the middle.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little bit of that, right?
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of trying to entice it, but typically the way they do that is by having super sharp lines
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Broncos fans, the Patriots fans who have no skin in this game, who are looking at this game go, oh, that's, you know, that's the line.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And that out of ten Patriots fans, five of them will bet on the Packers and five of them will bet on.
30:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting that after, you know, that that's a two point shift for one book that after the bears were favored for a bit now it is there they're kind of universally dogs so Kenneth what are your thoughts on the bears being dogs at home as the two seed and I'll give you a little context the other two seed the Patriots.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The other two seed, three and a half point favorites.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So they won't, they weren't there.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They want this bear's fan money.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Is what I think, especially when you're talking about emotions, right?
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't disrespect Chicagoans.
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we can be very good people and nice people with our Midwest and sensibilities or whatever, but like we are quick to rise if you disrespect us, right?
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you can flip that nice Midwestern stuff, and this is a way of antagonizing bear's fans, bear friends looking like, hey, I know the bear's going with trash cash.
31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so to me,
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Also on the flip side, the bears haven't been here, they got something to prove, I think they're going to win.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, okay, I'll get to that part in a minute.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The finished question.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is for primarily the money is what I'm going with, but you are the betting man on our pod.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say?
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about one and a half?
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I understand.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, you're absolutely right.
32:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the market plays a role in.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: adjustments based on what's called the handle, right?
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: The handle is how much money is being bent on either side.
32:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also got a, you know, like we've been watching Paris football.
32:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This defense all of a sudden, yes, they've stiffened in the red zone.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But they haven't been able to get off the field and that has limited the bears and their opportunities to be explosive to bear throughout the year one of the most explosive offenses not one of they are the most explosive offense in the NFL incredibly explosive so part of part of that is because they as you mentioned earlier.
32:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They were taken the ball away.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears were taken the ball away on defense and given that bears offense, more opportunities, more time, and the bears were able to capitalize.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But as those opportunities shriveled up because the defense is allowing opponents to have 10 minute field goal drives, do.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It hurts the bears ability to get in rhythm.
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It hurts the bears ability to take more shots because they have fewer shots that are running fewer plays.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you look at all of that holistically, I do understand that it's like, hey, the bears defense is just not in form right now and if the bears defense, which had been such a huge part.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: of their success.
33:32
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're not informed, I understand why, and odds maker might say, I'm given the packers of the edge here because again, Matt LaFlurs got that experience.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt LaFlurs, wonderful Hikotu.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: My opinion has kind of won the overall coaching battle over Ben Johnson this season.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just straight up think he has in there in there a couple of matchups.
33:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson has stuff to prove with with time management with decision making.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot unknown there where Matt LaFlor has been there.
34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt LaFlor has won big wild card weekend.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it time and time again where there's less unknown.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: There's less unknown with Jordan love.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: There's less unknown with Matt LaFlor.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: There's less there's simply less unknown.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: with the green bait packers and if we're getting into the air of all again, like the specter of the green bait packers.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it fully vanquished?
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it fully vanquished?
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not vanquished, but it can be start to begin to become vanquished with a victory Saturday night and then drumming the hell out of them next year in a regular season in a playoffs one more time so that they know that our foot is firmly on there for vertigo throats.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the bears foot, I meant to say.
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, this, this is interesting.
35:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the thing about this season, Alex, it's been such a great roller coaster ride of emotional extremes and the only reason been great because they won.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, if they were like, if they were seven and 10, it would be like, man, I went through all of this and they're out of the playoffs, like, oh my goodness.
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, those victories where it was cardiac Caleb, the loss last week, so this past Sunday, I need to say, man, it, it,
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I need this victory, honestly.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't say that.
35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: How often have you heard me say anything like that?
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've ever heard you say that.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I need, like this is for all of our past relatives that aren't here to see this.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for the kids that aren't born yet, right?
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for the Anthony Davis's that are Chicago kids that become green bay friends.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all my friends that moved to West Coast and became Green Bay fans, right?
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for all of it, right?
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just need, it would be even better.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I would take this.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: If this was just a bear's beat down, and I meant on the pack.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: and from from the rooted to the, oh my god, this isn't a beautiful.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was sitting at just a, oh, we think about the podcast and the jokes that we will laugh at.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying the third quarter right no right.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, we're coming up with bits right which is probably won't be all right.
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably be tight.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It in, yes, likely it's likely to be tight.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So, man, what's, what's your prediction now?
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you think the bear's win.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think we have talked a lot about the defense not being informed and how it has given them issues and the time of possession of it all and the inconsistency on offense and the lack of urgency last week, but I think everybody in that room, everybody in that building, all three million people of Chicago.
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what this game means and I don't think there's going to be any urgency issue.
37:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we will see the energy that they came out with at the link.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: in Philadelphia.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think they might be a little overhyped, right?
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be a situation where 10 minutes into the game, all right, everybody's simmered down a little bit and now let's play some football.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be closer to that, but you want to be closer to them that, you want it, you want to be pedal to the metal more than you want to be like trying to find your gas, right?
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
38:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And we spoke a lot about how a girl or a girl is going to have a team.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We spoke a lot about how Roma Dunesay is going to help us team.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you my conspiracy theory about Ben Johnson and keeping things vanilla last week.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the bears are going to find a way.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Caleb Williams has shown us time and time again that when it's time to make plays in the fourth quarter, he or I come, look out and I do think all of that will come together.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that the bears will win by a small margin.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think after this, we could start talking about that Green Bay Packer's Specter-Bane vanquished.
38:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
38:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears are going to win by, I really want to say three points to less, but I'll go as far as said, four points to less.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I really think it'll be between one and two points.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can see the bear scoring.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: a few touchdowns and perhaps an extra point or two involved.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can see the bears kicking a few field goals.
39:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the score is going to be in the low 30s, a high 20s.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: 2020s.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this 1954, the height of this?
39:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be, I definitely think it would be the low 30s, but I just hope it's enjoyable for all of us because we need this.
39:26
[SPEAKER_00]: something nice to start off the years been a crazy couple of years and it'd be nice to have something for Chicago and we know the bear's fandom is worldwide so even people that aren't from Chicago that's still love and beloved.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it'll be great.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I have the bears winning and this isn't just because I'm a Chicago fan.
39:49
[SPEAKER_00]: This is based on the fact that the bear should have won the first game.
39:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They won the second game.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: My capacity is still not going to come through that door.
39:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so and we saw the difference in that that that made in the second game.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ultra-fuel.
40:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so again, this isn't biased being of but someone that grew up loving the bears.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more based on football.
40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But as you something that you said, the partners are a really good organization.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, they don't slip them fall as an organization like the Bayers do.
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Bayers, man, I'm just being honest.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, they may not win superboats like they want, but they put themselves in a lot more advantageous opportunities to make it to the playoffs and air Rogers Ebert fell apart, or maybe some of us on Matt LaFluir, know some Green Bay fans aren't, it's static about Matt LaFluir, because they haven't won it all just yet, but they're a good team and it's time for the Bayers
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: down and let them know that this is a new era of bears, Packers, and it's not going to be a situation where you just kick the bears ass up and down and up and down what's constant in Chicago.
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean in Illinois.
40:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got an extra point.
41:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I have one extra point.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my wife and I like watching as many asker quote, quote, quote, asker worthy movies as we can so that we can be a part of the conversation.
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can be part of the cultural zeitgeist.
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, for the old shows.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have started doing that little by little with a very young son.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It is harder than ever.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But we have begun and I think I have my first favorite movie of the year.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sinners.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness, what a fun film that is.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You just saw sinners and just saw sinners.
41:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Just saw it because it was like everybody says is really good movie.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So we watched it and
41:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Oscar movies in me, it's like, yeah, I like them, but a lot of it feels like work, you know, it's like, you got it like, really ages, I don't know, this got a chew on this and I got think about it and then I got to read an essay about it and then I got it, you know, said it's just fun, man, said it's just like everything I love about movies.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there is plenty to chew on.
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: There are the beautiful shots, but for anyone who hasn't
42:10
[SPEAKER_01]: heart and soul.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The blood going to the veins of that film is just good old fashion fund and music's phenomenal.
42:18
[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, music, the music.
42:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't, I won't, again, spoiler alert, the very, very end.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: If you've seen it, you know the very, very end.
42:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, as a Chicagoan, as a proud Chicagoan, was delighted.
42:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Where my wife and I are, like, screwed with you, like, oh my god, is that good?
42:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so, yes, man, make more movies like sinners.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun movie.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have to put some people don't like it because of that deal.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That Couglar got where he gets the rights back in 25 years.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So they've kind of, so Ryan Couglar gets the rights to that movie back in 25 years.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And the powers that be aren't fond of that agreement.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's been a campaign to kind of,
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: like people were kind of like it didn't make enough money and didn't it's like if you could pair the the amount of money spent on centers and what it made back to what's the Timothy shallonate movie this out that's gonna be um
43:21
[SPEAKER_00]: the, the, uh, I forgot that they do, they've been at the huge marketing campaign people wearing the sweatshirts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, um, um, the, the name, associating the names with, I had to like literally Google Ryan, Google right, I'll be, oh, right, him, the Creed guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Black Panther guy who, right, got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, that's why I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do not know what Timothy Shellamay movie you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about, hold on, let me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, uh, is it, uh, it's not the Leonardo DiCaprio movie?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the ping pong movie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah, the Marty Supreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Marty Supreme movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but Marty Supreme is not made back either half of what it's, uh, will cause, but it's not, uh, it's not all Oscar movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are any Oscar movies?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the flip side, but the flip side is that, that, that will, as soon as we, let's commercially successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the article initially that sparked this discussion was like, oh, it's successful and they made money, but still is it going to make this and it was kind of like, wait, why aren't you even talking to your point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, it's a movie that was, it was, it's a fun movie, but definitely it was aimed at, I'm trying to run awards here, being an Oscar movie, but it's definitely been profitable for the makers of it, as far as making back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: double in a half, you know, I'm saying for what movies usually uses the barometer for success and making a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, centers where you did Michael B. Jordan get paid twice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Should you pay twice?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do Ron Ron Woods had this this thing along Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, let me see if I can see what he said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Michael B. Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like listen, especially because especially because a friend of ours would hate on him so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the group chat, if the question was asked, so Tony is not going to be Jordan still not a good actor, because Tony used to always be like, whatever, Michael B. Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was funny because I was like, that's what I was just thinking, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I wanted to ask Tony that yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so this is what Roy Woods Jr. had to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he played one another version of that that's two and a half he can't get no trophy pretty funny pretty pretty funny but yeah to your point of him and again that's a slight spoiler hey there's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bleep out all the spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know about math, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what the movie was about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, when it came out, when people start saying what the evil was type of evil it was, I was like, oh man, I didn't know that for a month before, what up, you know, I didn't know the two characters saying until people started showing, like having t-shirts and posters of the two and all those, I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was just playing one guy in the in the film book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just changed the radically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's wearing a red hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I blew out that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's been thematically?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The way was shot, the music, elements, the way that it goes from ancient to future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, really just smart, very entertaining.
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