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How the Jaguars Got More Physical in the Draft | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday May second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Chaderer and welcome in a Jaguars Happy Hour on this
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  Speaker 1: Thursday May second. A busy hour ahead. It's that time
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  Speaker 1: of year. The draft is done. We'll take a look
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  Speaker 1: at the rookie class after the draft, after undrafted free
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  Speaker 1: agency as well, and the rookies come in next week.
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  Speaker 1: on the field with the veterans starting this week. We'll
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  Speaker 1: What's happening?
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  Speaker 4: The NFL Draft is over with and now we start
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  Speaker 4: kind of phase to a free agency. You know what
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  Speaker 4: that means right, What does that mean? Well, for example,
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  Speaker 4: all the teams, okay, they had holes to plug prior
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  Speaker 4: to the draft. Everybody wants to plug the hole so
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  Speaker 4: that they can go in to the draft and say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we want the best player available, but not everybody does that.
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  Speaker 4: Some teams do, some teams don't. But then now that
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  Speaker 4: the draft has passed, there's some holes that went unfilled,
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  Speaker 4: so each team is gonna need to address them.
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  Speaker 1: And there's certain players that are gonna end up being.
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  Speaker 4: Casualties after the draft. Take a look at Zay Jones
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  Speaker 4: for example, and players will become available and the Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: will have some opportunity to scooping some players up that
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  Speaker 4: could help them in this year.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in the coming league.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see, you know, I think probably what most teams
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  Speaker 4: will do. And I saw that the Kansas City's KMA
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  Speaker 4: City Chiefs made a comment to this effect that they
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get a look at their rookies, which was
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  Speaker 4: their drafted rookies and their undrafted rookies before they decided
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  Speaker 4: to do anything further sense in free agency, which totally
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  Speaker 4: makes sense. And the Jaguars probably we want to do
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  Speaker 4: something similar.
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  Speaker 1: But if an.
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  Speaker 4: Opportunity arises on a player that's got some value that's
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  Speaker 4: a veteran before that mini camp happened, which is next week,
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  Speaker 4: I believe towards the end of next week, then hey,
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  Speaker 4: look you take advantage of the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go through the draft class coming up a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later. We will get into that offseason program with
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  Speaker 1: the veterans on the field right now, but let's start
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  Speaker 1: with Trent Balke and Doug Peterson after the draft, asked
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  Speaker 1: about what they were most excited from this draft class.
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  Speaker 5: It's always exciting time of year, right, you get a
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  Speaker 5: chance to get new guys into the system. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I think nine or ten, whatever that number is that
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  Speaker 5: we ended up with. You know, it's just it's you're
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  Speaker 5: you're excited. You're excited for them. You know, when you
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  Speaker 5: talk to them on the phone and hear their excitement
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  Speaker 5: and the families excitement in the backgrounds, you just you
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  Speaker 5: know they're coming here. They're they're gonna give you everything
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  Speaker 5: they got and that's all we can ask and then
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  Speaker 5: we've figured it out from there.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: For me, you know, football team has made up of
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  Speaker 3: many parts, right, and I think this is a great
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  Speaker 3: example of the guys we got. There's there's there's different
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  Speaker 3: positions here, there's different body type, skill sets, all of that,
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  Speaker 3: and they're all all guys that can come in and
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  Speaker 3: compete and and so that's what I'm excited about, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And there's there's really good you know, starting from the
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  Speaker 3: top all the way down. You know, there's there's there's
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  Speaker 3: talent here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find out starting next week, as you said in
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  Speaker 1: the Rookie Mini camp. But all we have right now
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  Speaker 1: is tape and on paper. Let's start in round number one,
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  Speaker 1: Wide receiver Brian Thomas Junior out of LSU, Tall fast
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  Speaker 1: and I'm smart. It's a good place to start.
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  Speaker 4: Tall, fast and smart as right. I think you really
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  Speaker 4: got to begin with the fast part. You're talking about
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  Speaker 4: the second fastest forty time by a wide receiver at
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  Speaker 4: the combine. I believe it was like a four to
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  Speaker 4: three three young man had seventeen touchdown catches in the
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  Speaker 4: SEC and one year alone last year. I mean tremendous.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a guy that's gonna make teams
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  Speaker 4: respect the top, and we're gonna have to cover the
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  Speaker 4: top on a on a play by play basis. So,
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  Speaker 4: but you really got to start with the trade. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: because if you don't start with the trade, then I
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  Speaker 4: think you're.
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  Speaker 1: Missing the point.
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  Speaker 4: Trent Balke and his staff deserve a ton of credit
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  Speaker 4: for the trade that they were able to maneuver. In
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  Speaker 4: the first round. You drop back only six spots, you
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  Speaker 4: go from seventeen to twenty three, you pick up an
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  Speaker 4: extra fifth round pick this year, and you pick up
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  Speaker 4: a third and a fourth next year. That is an
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  Speaker 4: absolute flee sne an absolute flee scene. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: got to be one of the best trades in recent
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  Speaker 4: years in the National Football League by far. So I mean,
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  Speaker 4: tremendous job there. And look, Brian Thomas Junior, I think
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  Speaker 4: is I think he deserves to be in the conversation
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  Speaker 4: up put it this way, I would have taken him
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  Speaker 4: over odoonze A. I mean, for me, that's where he belongs.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is an elite player that can take
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  Speaker 4: the top off the defense, seventeen touchdown, over seventeen yards
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  Speaker 4: a catch, and on top of that, you picked up
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  Speaker 4: a fifth and the third and the fourth next year.
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  Speaker 1: What's not the like about that? To me?
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  Speaker 4: Tremendous job by Trent balking his staff. Love love the pick,
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  Speaker 4: love the trade. Great job and look well, being a
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  Speaker 4: little selfish here. It made us work a little bit
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  Speaker 4: harder on Thursday night because we had to go a
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  Speaker 4: longer with the radio show because they traded back six spots.
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  Speaker 4: I could have gotten home earlier, but you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, And I was totally okay with that. Once
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  Speaker 1: I saw what they got, I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: in Gary, with with this speed that we talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you have it over the top game now and that
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  Speaker 1: opens up some things underneath at the very least.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing, Okay, Gabe, Okay, your free
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  Speaker 4: agent wide receiver from Buffalo Bills is uh is not
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  Speaker 4: a take the top off of type.
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  Speaker 1: Of player play in and play out on offense.
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  Speaker 4: But Gabe Davis is a guy that does a tremendous
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  Speaker 4: job of getting deep in a different way. He's creative.
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  Speaker 4: He's probably like a four in a four five somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: But Brian Thomas Junior is a legit four three three.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so now you're you're you're having a big
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  Speaker 4: wide receiver in Gabe Davis that can get deep in
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  Speaker 4: creative ways, and then a guy that can flat out
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  Speaker 4: run both of them, possess dominant size, domin physical characteristics,
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  Speaker 4: and then you got a shifty guy in the middle
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  Speaker 4: running around Christian Kirk and then one of the best
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  Speaker 4: receiving tight ends in the game that will catch a
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  Speaker 4: hundred balls in a year.
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  Speaker 1: In Evan Ingram.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, Trevor's gonna have a lot of
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  Speaker 4: options to throw now, you just got to find the time,
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  Speaker 4: give him the time to throw it.
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  Speaker 1: Going into this draft, we heard a lot about cornerback, cornerback,
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  Speaker 1: cornerback high Well Terry, and Arnold goes the next pick
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  Speaker 1: after Brian. You didn't get him, Sure, I didn't like him.
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
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  Speaker 4: I liked kool Aid McKinstry from Alabama better. I thought
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  Speaker 4: he was a better mere man and man type guy.
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  Speaker 4: Arnold had some of the physical traits, the length, the
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  Speaker 4: size and all that kind of stuff. History is a
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  Speaker 4: little bit smaller, but I didn't see the get in
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  Speaker 4: the hip pocket and just not go away type of
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  Speaker 4: coverage that McKinstry has. I like the other two guys better.
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  Speaker 4: Cooper de jen and helped me out. The other guy.
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  Speaker 1: From the small school Toledo, Oh yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I like those two better and Philadelphia, Holy cow, they
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  Speaker 4: got both of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Halle Roseman, Hallie Roseman every year just does a great
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  Speaker 4: job year and then y're out that talent acquisition. And
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  Speaker 4: he is a pure best available player draft guy. That's
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  Speaker 4: all he does, best available player. But Jaguars, oh, I mean, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Corner.
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  Speaker 4: Was a big conversation and we thought, we thought that
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  Speaker 4: that was going to be where they could go. And
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  Speaker 4: when they traded back, I went something that's not right
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  Speaker 4: and made me go hmm. And I think maybe they
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  Speaker 4: were thinking offensive line, but maybe their guy was gone
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  Speaker 4: and they said, Okay, well maybe we can go back
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  Speaker 4: because there's two corners still left. Both of those guys
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  Speaker 4: were still available, and they maybe loved both of them.
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  Speaker 4: They could get one of the two. And then when
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  Speaker 4: they picked a wide receiver, I was like, wow, that's
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  Speaker 4: that's a good pick because I like, I love Brian Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move along to around number two. Now, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: stay in Baton rouge and get defensive tackle Mason Smith.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got traits, he's got size, and he's tall,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got strength and a lot of things positive
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  Speaker 1: about Mason. What do you like about him.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt he's got the traits. I mean, you're talking
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  Speaker 4: about a guy that's you know, they put on the
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  Speaker 4: sheet number there, we got three oh six. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he's three oh six. He's probably about two eighty
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  Speaker 4: two eighty five ish, somewhere in that range. But he's
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  Speaker 4: got the length, he's got the size, he's got an
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  Speaker 4: excellent swim move on the interior. You know, he had
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  Speaker 4: an aco back in twenty two, and then when you
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  Speaker 4: watch the film on him in twenty twenty three, you
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  Speaker 4: know there's a little bit missing from the film.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this is a.
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  Speaker 4: This is a traits pick, and I think this is
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of projecting forecasting. You know, when you
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  Speaker 4: got a guy that has physical traits like that, I
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  Speaker 4: think they felt the need that they had to get
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  Speaker 4: them while they could. Did he have the production his
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  Speaker 4: senior year at LSU that would warn a second round pick?
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  Speaker 4: I would say no. And I still think he's got
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  Speaker 4: a long ways to go. But I mean, he's got
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  Speaker 4: those measurables that are just hard to find, and he
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  Speaker 4: was coming back from an injury. So how good can
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  Speaker 4: he be?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going to see but if you.
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  Speaker 4: Tried to match his production is last year at LSU
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  Speaker 4: with where he was drafted at, you would say it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't it doesn't work, it doesn't jive. But again, you're forecasting,
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  Speaker 4: you're projecting guys, and so what I say, is he
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  Speaker 4: worthy of a second round pick? My first reaction was
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  Speaker 4: no after watching the film, But then when you look
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  Speaker 4: at the traits that he has, then you go, this
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  Speaker 4: guy may end up turning out to be better than
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  Speaker 4: what where he was picked at because he has those
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  Speaker 4: kind of those measurables and also some of those traits.
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  Speaker 1: And he's not going to be expected to start right away.
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  Speaker 1: Is he's gonna play exactly right, So he'll contribute some
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  Speaker 1: and can develop over time and maybe building.
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  Speaker 4: He's got to get healthy, you know, you could tell
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  Speaker 4: that he was favoring the knee a little bit and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the games that he played last year
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  Speaker 4: at LSU and he had the knee brace on it
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  Speaker 4: and everything there, And we were just showing on social
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  Speaker 4: media some of the video from him working out at
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  Speaker 4: LSU where he didn't have the knee brace on. So
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  Speaker 4: look on two years removed from an Aco, you're dramatically
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  Speaker 4: different than you are the first year back from it.
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  Speaker 4: It's still kind of a process that you go through.
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  Speaker 4: I've been through it, and you don't feel normal really
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  Speaker 4: until you get to about eighteen months, you know. And
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  Speaker 4: he was playing last year with the knee brace well
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  Speaker 4: before eighteen months. But he's got the traits. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's a and what I like about him, he's a
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  Speaker 4: hard worker. He's got a great reputation of work ethic,
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  Speaker 4: so that won't be a problem with him. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: I would say this about all of the draft picks,
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  Speaker 4: everything that I'm reading, everything that I'm hearing from different folks,
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  Speaker 4: these draft classes is all all character guys. Character guys
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  Speaker 4: that you're you know, because I mean, you're talking about
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  Speaker 4: culture building with adding players to this roster, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that those are all the right types of players
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  Speaker 4: to build culture with.
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  Speaker 1: We're on tenen XLAM, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube, JP Shadwick,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Logeman a Jaguars Happy Hour. We continue with the
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  Speaker 1: rookie class review and then the third round cornerback Jarion
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  Speaker 1: Jones from Florida State Jarian and after the draft, Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson said, Yeah, he's he's a nickel corner and a
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  Speaker 1: special teams contributor. Those will be I guess the expectations
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  Speaker 1: coming in initially, Well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's a third round pick. I mean you'd
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  Speaker 4: like to see more than that for expectation, right, I
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  Speaker 4: mean for me, I mean third round pick, you're typically
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  Speaker 4: getting a starting caliber player. Now do they have to
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  Speaker 4: develop into that?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe?
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  Speaker 4: Watching the film on him, he's very active. He at
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  Speaker 4: times he's physical and he tackles well. Sometimes he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: tackle on and I think that's one of the first
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  Speaker 4: things he'd probably tell you that he wants to tackle better.
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  Speaker 4: But he's got ball skills. He's physical at times. He
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  Speaker 4: does a good job of zone same kind of thing,
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  Speaker 4: and man coverage does a good job coming off the
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  Speaker 4: outside blitzing. As we just saw right there, doesn't shy
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  Speaker 4: away from physical contact. I think he just needs to
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  Speaker 4: get better at tackling. When you play nickel, you've got
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  Speaker 4: to be a good tackler. You know, you're close to
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  Speaker 4: that running game and you're around a lot of the action,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that that will come with time.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Colvin said, what he's a dog. Yeah, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: have that dog in yet.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see the the or hear the reaction of
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  Speaker 4: him on the phone on Jaguars dot Com of couse.
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  Speaker 1: You got a dog that I love it. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, Jaguars dot Com, kudos to them for the covers
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  Speaker 4: that they provided on the draft.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome. Let's get a couple more in before
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  Speaker 1: the break. In the fourth round, the Jaguars get Javon Foster,
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  Speaker 1: tackle out of Missouri, a consistent starter team captain for
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  Speaker 1: the Missouri Tigers. I played a lot of football.
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  Speaker 4: Love the sea, Okay, that's first and foremost. You love
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  Speaker 4: it when you draft a six foot five, three hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifteen pound guy and he's got the sea on
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  Speaker 4: his chest. Like you said, played a lot of football.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how many games he started. I
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  Speaker 4: could probably find it in a pretty quick minute. He
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  Speaker 4: consistently too. Yeah, I mean he's uh and I think that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, look, the Jaguars definitely have a need there.
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  Speaker 4: You've got a couple of guys that are going to
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  Speaker 4: be contracts are going to be expiring at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know the positives about him.
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  Speaker 4: He's got the size, he's got the athleticism, he's got
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  Speaker 4: pretty good hands, he's got pretty good feet. The negatives
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  Speaker 4: he's got it, He's got to have a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more consistency, you know, consistency with the hands, consistency, consistency.
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  Speaker 1: With the feet.
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  Speaker 4: And because I mean that's the traits of professionals. They
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  Speaker 4: are good every week, you know, play in and play out.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the challenge for young players making the move
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  Speaker 4: from college to pros. And that's going to be something
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  Speaker 4: that he's going to have to to really pay attention to.
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  Speaker 1: Is that detail on more than the fourth round? A
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  Speaker 1: couple picks later, back to Baton Rouge again. Some scout
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  Speaker 1: and Baton Ruge ate well at Mike Anderson's apparently because
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  Speaker 1: they've brought home three LSU players. Jordan Jefferson, the defensive
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  Speaker 1: tackle who was a transfer in was It West Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: came to Baton Rouge for his final year college football.
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  Speaker 1: He is a true nose tackle. He put up thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven reps on the bench press of the combine. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, he's a little bit strong, I think a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. My question with this pick, how's Devon Hamilton doing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question, right or is this the insurance policy?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, last year Devon Hamilton had the back issue wasn't
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  Speaker 4: able to play, and Jordan Jefferson is a defensive tackle
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  Speaker 4: type that plays into that area that Devon Hamilton does.
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  Speaker 4: Are they worried about Devon Hamilton or they look they
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  Speaker 4: look too good to pass up? Type of player. He's big,
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  Speaker 4: he's physical, he's got a really good first step, he's
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  Speaker 4: got a very strong upper body. You know, he needs
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  Speaker 4: more production when it comes to affecting the passer, but
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  Speaker 4: that's not really where he's at, you know, that's not
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  Speaker 4: his role. But when they made this pick, I was like, hmm,
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  Speaker 4: so you drafted a second round pick defensive tackle who's
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  Speaker 4: kind of a longer guy, Mason Smith that could probably
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  Speaker 4: take some snaps at defensive end, and then you turn
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  Speaker 4: around and you draft Jordan Jefferson in the fourth round.
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  Speaker 1: So is everything okay with Devon Hamilton? Well, just think
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  Speaker 1: out loud. Here's another thought on that. Right, if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to more true four man fronts at some point,
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  Speaker 1: you need more bodies for that, right, Not really, No, No,
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  Speaker 1: I think they got it, not for already.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, you're playing a three four, so you
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  Speaker 4: got three big bodies. What you would need more of
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: his edge players. Okay, he's really playing with three big
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: guys as already.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You know. Now you're kind of playing with only two. Okay,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of the opposite of what you would think.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: You know, it's so it's a little different there. So
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a bad move because you know, again,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I'm a best available player. If George Jefferson is at
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the top of your list, you take them. I don't
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: care if you've got you know, all pro guys already there,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: which you don't, by the way, but if you did,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: so what you take. Let me look what the Eagles did.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: What last year when they drafted that big defensive tackle
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: from Georgia. Yeah they had tackles, they didn't need tackles,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: but they draft the best developed player. So maybe it's that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's something with Devon Hamilton. We won't know until
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: we know.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: We're back in a moment. We'll get into the rest
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of the draft picks on the fifth, sixth, and seventh rounds,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: and yes, Phase two of the off season program is underway.
• 17:50
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  Speaker 6: We are in an age where picking wide receiver, even
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: over something is what we thought as pivotal as offensive
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: tackle or offensive line in general. It is more common
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: because we are seeing such superstars come out from the
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: receiver position, and I think that goes all the way
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: down to the grassroots level. Right You're seeing more seven
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: on seven camps. You know, these guys are getting involved
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: in skill position work way earlier in junior high, in
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: high school, and you're just developing more wide receivers nowadays.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: So there's just a ton of these great skill position
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: players that are coming through year after year.
• 18:46
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  Speaker 1: the offseason program underway. We'll get to that in just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but we continue with the recap of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the draft class in twenty twenty four. We've gone through
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: rounds one through four. We continue our logs with round five.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: A couple of picks, starting with cornerback DeAndre Prince out
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of Ole Miss. He grew up about an hour away
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in the tiny town of Charleston on the country. Yes, yes,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: very much, each country, very much so. And he is
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the first ever draft pick from that area and that
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: town especially. There's been a few players undrafted to come
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: from that specific area of Mississippi, but went right up
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the road was ediwill Miss. Had to leave to go
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to a community college and grow up a little bit,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: as he put it, and he did. He was very
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: honest about it. And he came back to Ole Miss
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and was part of a really good team, and he.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Was very honest about the part that he needed to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: grow up and so took a little bit of a break,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: went to the community college for a year, comes back
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: and has a very good career.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I like this pick.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Trey is kind of what he goes by and I
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: think he's got some traits to where he can play
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: some serious man coverage, and he's got some length to him.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I like that he's a willing competitor. I think this
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: is a very good pick for this football team. You know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: you you addressed the position with jerryon Jarian. I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: it's the right way to say that with Jarian in
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: the third and now you looked at this position again
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: in the fifth, and it's obvious a position of need.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: So I think that they did a good job there
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: and allowing you know that they'd use this term a lot,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: allow the board to speak to you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to the board. I like this pick.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good pick, and I'm excited to
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: watch him because I do. I really believe that he's
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: got some some really good man man covered skill traits.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Another speed guy too. I mean he can run.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Oh he can run. Yeah, Yeah, he can run, I think,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I think, which is fine in a straight line. But
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: how many takes that the Jaguars had at the corner
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: position in the last two years from like round five,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: six or seven? Yeah, you a lot, and you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: and you're hoping you hit on something, and you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not willing to bet on it. But I mean,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I like the traits that this young man has. Gambling
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: is illegal at Bushwood, Sir, can't push it and I
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: never sliced. Kelan Robinson another fifth round pick running back
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: out of Texas, but a case he is a running back.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: He's five eight is he's listed as a running back.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: He started at Alabama, opted out of the COVID season
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty, transferred to Texas twenty twenty one, and was
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: primarily the kick returner. And with the new rules now
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: with two kick returners on the field, he'll have a chance.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So you're saying he's a kick Returnerah, because he's not
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a running back. He's not. OK, he're saying why not.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would definitely, and I'm being serious here, I
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: would not put him in the category of being a
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: running back. You know, when he was at Texas, he
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: did a lot of these gadget plays speed, reverse, quick screens.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: But he's not a running back. He probably had the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: ball handed off to him very few times at Texas,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: kind of like the he's not just he's not an
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: eye formation handed off.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: No, he's kind of a jets see run wide.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: He's not going to take reps away from Etn or Bigsby.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: But I think he can play a role similar to Ags,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you know, to what Agnew Jamal Agnew did for this
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: football team, and then also provide them another strong kick
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: returner on top of the one that they sign in
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: free agency from Baltimore, you know. And everybody's talking about
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: how the new kickoff rules are gonna affect the game
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: and how many returners you're gonna have back there. Everybody's saying, well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: you're gonna have two back deep. And if that's the case,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: then I think that that Keelan could have an opportunity
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: at finding him sale self active on game day if
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: he can play that type of role and play gunner
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: on special teams. I mean, the guy's a four to
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: four guy. I mean, so he can clearly run. When
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: he gets in space with the ball in his hands,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: he can roll. He can roll, I mean roll, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: if he's in traffic, he gets swallowed up. That's why
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I say I wouldn't put him in the category of
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: being a running back.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: We stay on special teams. The Jaguars in Round six
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: pickup kicker Cam Little out of Arkansas, and he can't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: even celebrate with a cold beer because he's twenty years old.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: How about that. But he's made some big kicks, some
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: distance kicks in his career and here he is. All
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you got to do is get a fake ID like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I hadn't college. Here goes go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he had a cold beer, remember that, maybe
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: some way of celebrating.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, he's pretty confident, i'd say, as you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: listen to his phone, Oh he crushed it. He crushed
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: his workouts.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I like the confidence, but just be a little humble
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: when you talk. But that part of that comes from
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: being twenty years old and you you know, you still
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: got to learn a little bit.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But he making all his kicks. He makes all his kicks.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He can tell you. I'm all for him talking to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: confident game. I'd rather hear that than the alternative. But
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure he's about to.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Get an education because at this level, Okay, kickers can
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: be replaced very quickly.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: We've found that out, yes.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Very quickly, and I would imagine that he will not
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: be the only kicker on this roster and training camp.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Riley Patterson's there now. Sly is gone, and it looks
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: like he's gonna go with the Patriots. So that was
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: after the draft.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: And Robley Patterson's a good kicker. Be ready to battle,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: be ready to compete.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He's a draft pick. They don't draft a kicker, then
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: whack the kicker, right, Usually you gotta make the kicks.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Kickers get whacked if they don't make kicks. Was the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: last drafted kicker? I don't care if they were a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: third round pick. Okay, go talk to the tamp day Bucks.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Didn't they draft a kicker pretty high?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: How long did he last? What was the guy's name?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. You have a point
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Florida state. Guns.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter what you're drafted. If you're a kicker, you
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: got to make the kicks. Let's make the kicks. If
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: you don't make the kicks, and if you're a draft pick,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: you'll get a little leeway.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And accuracy on kickoffs is Yes, it was key before,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: but you could boom it out of the end zone. Fine,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Now you have to hit between the twenty and goal line.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But look all the.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Time, I honestly say, boy, I really studied the film
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: on Kim Little.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, just look at the stats.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: No, but I'm looking forward to watching him because you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: with the new kickoff rules, you know, there's a lot
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: of unknowns in that category this year. Oh yeah, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: how are the kick going to be handled? You know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Can you place it? How do you cover it? Because
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you're not running towards it? You gotta wait till it hits.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: It's the whole thing, right, So there's a lot of
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: unknowns in that category. So let's kind of see them,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: see what happens there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: One more draft pick, round seven, Texas Tech defensive end
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Miles Coal. Like you, what do you think? I like him?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I really do. Why.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I don't very often get excited about seventh round picks?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Who does, right, I'm kind of excited about Miles Coal?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Why? Like, why are you so excited about the seventh
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: round pick.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: He's athletic. He's athletic. He's you know when you always
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: hear Trenton scouts always talk about trades. Miles Cole six
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: foot six, you know, two hundred and seventy pound, seventy
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: five pounds somewhere in that range. He moves well, he's athletic.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I mean there's not very many six six, two seventy
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: five guys that were starters that can move in our
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: athletic that get drafted.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Late like that. I mean most of it. It's a
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: premium position. He watched it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: When I watch the film on this guy, I see
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: a guy that's got a chance. I'm not saying that
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: he's great, but he's he's got a nice way of
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: ben in the corner. Look, I'm not saying that, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: he's athletically in the category of a second round picking.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Somehow he was available in round seven.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Saying for round seven to get a guy that has
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: some traits that are that are.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Productive and encouraging, and maybe something develops off that in time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: It's may not be immediate, but okay, this is something
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: for the future. If he doesn't make the team, he's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a practice I'm okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all the above.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: And but again, I don't want people to think, you know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: log even really thinks that they got a great player
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: in round seven. He's probably a second round value. No,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm saying I like the pick
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: for where he was picked at, and I like some
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: of his athleticism. He definitely has the length and the
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: traits of a guy that you want to find for
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that position, which is defensive end. Sixty six two seventy five. Dude,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: this is this is gonna be a team. If you
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: talk about get off the bus team, Oh yeah, Mason Smith,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, big dude, Trayvon big dude, Devon Hamilton, Jordan Jefferson.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: They get off the bus and you're gonna go. Oh
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: better buckle up this stream strap a little bit tighter.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: A little bit later, we'll touch on the undrafted free
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: agents and to get off the bus. Team is undefeated.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Those guys are really good, really are We're back in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a moment. We'll take a look at the off season program,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: continuing to phase number two, and here from left tackle
• 28:55
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  Speaker 7: It's just it's the same five guys playing together down
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: in and down now just getting those reps. I mean
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: it's kind of hard to that kind of gets lost
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: in the people don't realize how much upfront you really
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: got to be a unit. So I mean, if we're
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: interchanging guys in and out or were there's never any
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: inconsistency about if it's never any consistency about what we're doing,
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: it's gonna be hard to kind of form that bun
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and just all of us working at one So the
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: same five guys, you know, getting these reps. IS can't
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: even put the is it's invaluable.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, Jaguars Left Tackle. It caught up with him
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  Speaker 1: old at home. Congratulate. He said the first month was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: rough with a little sleep, but he's learned a lot
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of patients.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to have a lot of patients with kids.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: But congratulations to him. Absolutely, it will change your perspective
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: on life, I.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Can tell you that. And he's obviously a big piece
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of what's going on here.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Interesting how he talked about, you know, the five guys
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: inconsistency and all that kind scept but you know they
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: didn't have it last year. Well, look true, he was
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: part of it. He missed eight games. Yeah, well, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: that was his fault the first four. Sure, absolutely his fault.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Nobody look at but himself on the first four games
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: of last year. But there's also remember and that consistency
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: is not the only solution to better performance. Sometimes it's
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: getting better players. You know, if you get better players,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: then you get better performances across the board, not just
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: necessarily time spent on task to get together.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: All right. That gets us into our keep it real
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• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's going to the JP Shadrick Fund.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Let's keep it real now, after free agency and the draft,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: what is this Jaguars roster lacking? What do they need
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to fill or can they roll the ball out now
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and play? In your opinion, I think you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I think you structured this segment for ext I mean
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: you had Cam Robinson talking offensive line. It's very nice, JP,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: thank you, very sneaky.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Sponsors would love that because I'm a big believer in
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: that competition makes everybody better. Okay, you brought in competition
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: at center. Okay, do you have enough competition with the
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: rest of your offensive line? Look, you drafted a guy
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: from Missouri in the fourth round. It's gonna possibly provide
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: competition at tackle down the road. I think it'd be
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: tough for him to compete. I believe there's got to
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: be some competition at guard.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Can some of that come from last year's draft picks?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see. Here's the here's the top four right now?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Cleveland signed top four? What guards right? Cleveland's left guard
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff's the right guard. Shatley's back on a one
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: year deal. Cooper Hodges coming off. That's where I'm hoping
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the competition comes from. So that's how. How's the knee right?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Have you seen him work out? Yeah? I haven't yet.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see him work out. I think at
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: some point durn OTAs will be allowed out there to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: You know, watching him last year in training camp before
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: he had the knee issue, it was one of those
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: things where you go, this guy is going to create
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: competition pretty quick, quicker than we thought. I mean, he's
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: got some really really amazing strength to his game. Can
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: he provide that competition in there? I don't know. I
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: don't know where he's at. We don't get that. We
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: don't We're not privy to that information. So my first
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: reaction after this draft is is that, you know, at
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: the conclusion of last year, my thought was that this
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: team needs to get more physical on the defensive line
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: and on the offensive line. I like what they did
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: in the draft and addressing that. Okay, offensive line, you
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: have one draft pick, but did.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You do enough? I don't know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: First of all, I love the re signing of Ezra Cleveland.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: You know a lot of people were I think fans
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: were kind of just pushing that aside. Is not a
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: big deal when Ezra Cleveland was healthy last year. He's
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: a damn good football player and I'm telling you he's
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: physical and he's nasty. He's my kind of player. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: like the way he plays the game, love the way
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: he plays the game. So I think he's going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: help this offensive line. But you gotta have competition at
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: center spot, which you hope that the signing of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: center Mitch Morris Mitch will help at that position. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: then right guard we'll sheriff, you know, you hope that
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: we got some competition there from Cooper Hodges or bringing
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: a guy in. Again, this is the second phase of
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: free agency that we're now entering, and there will be
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: there will be slight adjustments and tweaks to rosters around
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: the National Football League, and there will be guys that
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: come available. So you've got to be ready to react
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: and to maybe supplement your roster when the opportunity is given.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm a believer that that's a position. If they
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: can get better at guard, interior of the offensive line,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: and free agency in this sect, the second kind of
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: phase of it, you take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 1: But they just extended Sheriff or REDI money over the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: years exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I don't wuldn't call an extension, but they added some
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: time to it. Yeah, But is it in a difference
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: between adding time and then restructuring a contract, adding time
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: to essentially make the cap hit less? You know, is
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: it kicking the can down the road? Put it this way,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you could probably still cut them after this year without
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: any kind of major financial consequences or anything that would
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: make you worry. And I like Brandon Sheriff, but he's
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: got to be more physical. He's got to be more physical.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: The offensive line's got to be more physical as a whole.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I think the attitude and the approach has got to
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: be more physical. And I think they will be.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I think they will be. So you don't think, no
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: matter what happens, if they signed somebody else, whatever, the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Cleveland and Sheriff are not guaranteed to start. No, I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: don't think so. You don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Look, I mean that's why you have competition, you know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: you you want everybody to get better.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But if you're paying all this money to these guys,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: they're gonna start right.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the other argument. JP.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: If a guy comes in and he's making one hundred
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year, which, by the way, there's nobody
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: in the NFL that's making one hundred thousand dollars. The
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: minimum is what seven to fifty, and it's like seven eighty.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Now I think, okay, so nobody's making a buck we're
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: buck fifty. Everybody's making good money, really good money. So
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: if somebody comes in and he's making a buck fifty
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: and he's better than the guy that's making one point
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: six fifty, okay, or however you want to call that
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: one point six m million or sixteen million, I don't care.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: If he's better, you play him. If he's better, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: play him. You know, and Mitch Morris is going to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: be the starting center this year. What if for better?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying that. For better than that, Well, good
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: to your argument. Let's get well, we're signing all these
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: guys for.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: What I'm all for it compete. But I mean, do
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: we have coast starters the Cleveland's getting eight million a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: year average.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Azra Cleve's a good football player. Like I said earlier,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: he's playing. Mitch Morris is going to be playing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: He's playing to So Shriff, don't we have co starters
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: like right now, I don't know. I haven't seen a
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: depth chart. I have no idea, There is no who knows,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you know, they're all offensive. Lineman Mitch Morris was brought
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: in here to start right, you know, so to be
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the starting center. So I think we kept it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Really, you want to see more guard I want to
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: see competition period across the board. You get better, you
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: know the old the old saying iron iron sharpens iron.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: If you want to know about that, you come from
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: the Iron State where they have the iron bowl.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They do. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: That was a famous statement by the head coach University
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: of Virginia, George Welsh.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: It was also Doug.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Everybody said, everybody said, everybody said, hey, we're back in
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: a moment.
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  Speaker 1: We've got social media questions. That was keeping it real.
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  Speaker 1: After the draft Phase two, the off season program is underway.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Logs so that means coaches are on the field for
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the first time. They are allowed on the field three weeks,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: four days per week, four hours per day. The club
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: can only specify two of those hours ninety minutes maximum
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on the field, and as we said, all coaches can
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: be out there, but it's a walk through pace. No
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: helmets unless you're using the jugs machine, the machine that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: throws the football's at you. You can use. You can
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: elect to wear your helmet while you're using that. No
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: offense versus defense, No one on ones individual periods are allowed.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So them's the rules.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: And that's from page thirty two h eight to one B. Yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: pretty much digging deep there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: You know, unfortunately they had to put all these rules
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: in place because there was head coaches out there like
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Tom Coffin that would always want to end up doing
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of stuff.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Tom. You know, it's true. The one that had to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: go check him on it all the time.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't have to check him on he you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: he once the rules were established, then he abided by
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: the rules. But before the rules were established, he liked
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to he liked to be a little flexible, you know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: when the rules weren't specifically written.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Then he would be creative. Like you just said, a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: good last segment, right, iron sharpens, iron come twelve months a.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Year, you know, but it's a I think if you're
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: a player in the National Football League, because you know,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: there's not every team in the league has great attendance
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: for the offseason workouts, and this team has, from what
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I understand, pretty strong attendance, as they should. I mean,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: this is a tax free state to live in. It's
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: an absolutely beautiful place to live. The facility here is
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: top notch, just you know, as good as Alabama, right,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I mean nice, It is amazing. And on top of that,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: if you get hurt, then it's on the job and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: not somewhere else where. It would be considered a non
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: football injury if you're training on your own. So when
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: players train on their own, Look, I get it, some
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: guys have a certain mojo that they feel like they
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: need to kind of build up in the off season,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and everybody's got a great way of doing things. But man,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: the more time you can spend at the team facility,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: the better off you're going to be, I think in
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: the long term. But this is a great time of
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: year to be a player because everybody's happy, everybody's positive.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: You're undefeated, and you're gonna win a bunch of.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Games, and it's the first chance to be on the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: field with a new defensive coaching staff.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great chance to learn. Coaches are you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the coaches are going to probably develop a little bit
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: of preconceived ideas about certain players out there in the
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: grass they're really not doing anything. But then once the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: pads go on, perspectives change. So you got to kind
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: of wait until you get to that if you're a coach.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: But you want to see how the players digest it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: You want to see how they assimilate the information, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: the faster that they do, I think, the better off
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: that they're going to be in the in the freer
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that they're going to be able to play.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get to our Microsoft questions of the day. What
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: do we got we put the cat signal out earlier
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: today on X here's the best we've come up with
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: at d ostermino five. Do you think we have any
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: defensive lineman that because get excuse me, let me start again.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Do you love it when you mess up? That was awful?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You never do, it's just reading. It's tough. Sometimes you
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: want me to read it, go for it? Okay?
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Do you think we have any defensive lineman that can
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: become the Stroud and Henderson duo?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Great question?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Do we have a due Well, first of all, those
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: two guys were first round picks and what you separated
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: by like a year, a couple of years. No, we
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: don't have that. Eric Anderson is a ten year vet
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: insted Eric Armstead What I say, Anderson Anderson, I'm sure
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: he's good to Armstead is a ten year vet. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: we've got a young player from LSU that's going to
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: be coming in the door and hopefully contribute them some
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: reps in there, and can they be that. It's not
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: very often that you have a Stroud and a Henderson
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: come along. I mean this, think about it. How many
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: how many teams have had something like that? The Buffalo
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Bills with the two defensive tackles one of them from
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Alabama who Darius, Darius and what was the other guys? Gosh,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: he was amazed, you know so uh. And then the
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens back in the day when it was Sarah
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Goosa and Sam Adams. I mean, you just don't find
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: that where you've got two dominant guys on the inside
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: very often.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: That was a fun player to.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Watch him and Sam Adams. Oh my god, hell was
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: hanging on for dear life, the great.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Ye both of them. It's unbelievable. It's like, how did
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: you squeeze out moment? It's impossible today.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I got he's a really good player, really good. But
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: it's just not very often that you get players of
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: that stature. I mean that's I mean you look back
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: on in Jaguars history and that was one of the
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: special tandems in Jaguars history. I mean you think of
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: think of the great tantems in Jaguars history.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're right there at Strout Henderson, They're
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: right there at the top.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell. I mean, i'd give you twenty seventeen.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Defense had a couple of those guys.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Sellly sears the tackle tandem.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: You know, for for how long it lasted. I mean
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: that's those are those are that's greatness.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But you gotta have you get and you would know
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: this you played defensive line. You gotta be wired a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: little bit different at times on defensive line. Sometimes some
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of those guys are wired a little bit different.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean Strout first of all, Henderson was
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: totally wired different. I mean, anybody that gets ready for
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: the ball game and have the athletic trainer Joe shean
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: totally open hand slap them like you're doing that Dana
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: White new league that they have like a slap competitions.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I mean Joe used to hammer them whack would you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: I mean if he asked me to maybe maybe pre show,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: you want me to let me slap your analymp bit.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: You want some of this?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Next question at six three four six, what's the me
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I got it? What's the positional flexibility of Javon Foster
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and Mason Smith? Can Foster be a guard and can
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Smith play big end in short yardage? Let's start on
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the offensive line. Foster, he feels like a tackle. He's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: a true tackle to me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's where he's played at could he play guard?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He hasn't done it that I know of.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many have, right, I mean we talked
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: about that possibility last year with Cam Robinson.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I think you're going to try I think you would
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: try him inside. But you know, here's there's kind of
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: two mindsets with rookies. One is that you say, hey,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: he's not going to be a starter. The only way
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: that we're going to get him active on game day
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: is that he has to learn multiple positions. So we're
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: just going to play him in multiple positions. The other
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: mindset is is that, hey, he's a rookie, let's not
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: confuse him. Let's let him concentrate on one position so
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that his world is simplified.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So but if he's got high football IQ, they always want, well, okay,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I can handle it. And I think every individual is different,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: so I think that that will be an evaluation process.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: You always want to be able to cross train everybody
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: because flexibility versatility is always a great trade to have
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Gets you active on game day. You know, if you
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: got a guy that can play tackle, tackle and guard,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I mean huge value as a backup. So we'll see
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: how that works out. The other question Mason Smith big
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: end did you play there?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Could he play there? Yes?
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, he's got some of those traits to do that,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: just like Eric Armstead. Eric Armstead could play defensive tackle
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: and then big in and I think without having any
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: issues whatsoever.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Next question at V. Marlow seventeen, which are the undrafted
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: free agents could see the most playing time this season? Well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars signed a handful of players coming out of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the draft. Ask me next week on that. Yeah, we'll
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: find out after rookie month. Can't make me. Well, no,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to watch the film on the undrafted guys.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: This week.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I watched all the draft picks. So next week I
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: will watch the undrafted guys prior to Thursday. And so
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: I'll give you some names and we'll go over a
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: couple guys that I really like.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Out of the undrafted class, thirteen of them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: You always have a couple guys that have an opportunity,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: especially at positions of need of making an impact. Well,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: I'll say this, and no disrespect to these players, but
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: this is what this position is. As an undrafted player,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: you're fighting to make the roster first of all. Well, right,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: or a practice squads and be available consistent playing time.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: There's other guys that are veteran players who are around.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: You're expecting to play these positions, and in reality, if
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of those players aren't around, it's not a
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: good reason. They're hurt or something's happened. Well, the undrafted guys,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I think have a little bit of an advantage over
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: maybe a seventh round pick. In this year's case, I
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: think it's a little bit different, and that I think
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: you've got a need for depth at edge. So so
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I think that Miles Cole has a legitimate chance of,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: you know, earning an opportunity to get a spot on
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: this roster. Undrafted guys are typically filling some holes. Okay, well,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: you know what, we draft have the best available player.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: We didn't get this position in this position. So you
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: go to the undrafted class and you start offering a
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: little bit more money and telling these guys, hey, look,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: we got a great opportunity for you to earn a
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: roster spot at position X because we're a little light there,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: you know. So Stephen Jones from Oregon, not Steven Jones
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: of the Dallas Cowboys ownership group, Okay, guard, we were
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: just talking about an opportunity for this team to maybe
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: create some competition at that spot. Well, there's Stephen Jones
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: from Oregon. Okay, he's got a great opportunity to come
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: in here and maybe show something. There's a lot of
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: wide receivers in this group. There are, of course, there's
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: a lot of wide receivers in this group. Tight End
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Sean Bowman from Rutgers. We got a pretty deep tight
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: got a pretty deep tight end room. Running backs pretty
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: deep too. You know, defensive back Josh Proctor and Josh
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Procter play them outside corner. That's a position of need
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: for this football team. So it will be interesting. And
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: the wide receivers, there's a bunch of them. They've got
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: six undrafted free agent wide receivers. It's a lot coming
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: into rookie mini camp next week.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: It's a lot. That'll do it for our Microsoft questions
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: for the day. Thanks for all the submissions, Logs. We'll
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: talk to you next time. About to see you. Looking
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: forward to it, and I will be ready to slap
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you before the show next I will knock you one.
• 50:23
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