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  Great news for the sci-fi world, or maybe good news or maybe bad
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  news. I want your takes on this.
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  Did you see Nathan Fillion drop the Firefly?
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  Firefly and we're going to animate it.
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  We just need a studio to fund it.
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  I saw that. You guys saw this hobble?
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  Why? Why don't you start with it?
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  I don't know. We we don't need to have it come
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  back It we what we needed was Fox having faith in the show in
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  the first part and giving it another season.
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  And that was. Yeah, the.
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  Time Machine to go back and do. Yeah, but wouldn't it be good
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  just to get some of those stories we never got?
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  It's just not going to be the same anymore.
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  It's just not. It it's very hard to bring back
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  a something that good and try and continue it like there's
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  been some examples of I'll give an example, scrubs.
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  So remember when they did that season no one wants to talk
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  about? Season 9.
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  I know it was terrible, but then.
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  I had the D all the DVDs. They came back and the new
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  season is fantastic because they actually, but that's rare.
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  That is rare for that to actually work.
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  Futurama. Futurama.
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  Yeah. How many times?
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  How many times was Futurama canceled?
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  Yeah. And then the Comedy Central
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  seasons. But just not.
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  They weren't as good. Like they weren't bad.
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  But then if you think of if you think of Boondock Saints and
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  Boondock Saints too. Yeah. 1 is a lot more shit than
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  the other. Yeah, you're.
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  Thinking about putting it. It'll probably.
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  I've never actually watched Firefly and I know I'm probably
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  going to get a. Little fly.
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  Whoa, we should kick you. Out bro.
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  Whoa. Well, I'll tell you, it was it
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  was good. It would have had a second
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  season. Oh.
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  Fuck you. Or knew this?
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  Wow. Well, I I think they should just
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  let let sleeping dogs lie. I mean, that show, it's so well
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  thought of. The actors are so highly
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  regarded because of the work they did on the series and the
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  work they did on the movie. It that was a time and in its
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  place it was great. Now everybody's aged up.
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  Of course, yes, they want to do the animated thing.
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  But you know what, everything that Hollywood does, all these
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  these different productions come out years later.
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  They try to resurrect something from the past.
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  It always turns to shit and it just tarnishes the legacy of the
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  original. And I think just letting.
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  I mean to to counter this wait wait wait.
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  Are you saying Picard was a mistake?
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  Absolutely. God, that was.
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  Oh that is horrible. Funny you should say that
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  because I just started watching it and I'm like what?
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  The Kurtzman. Didn't want to watch?
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  That. Fucking.
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  All of it well. Lower the the hold on, hold on
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  is the. Other one.
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  The AJ Abrams. Prodigy.
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  Here. Monday, JJ.
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  Abrams let me touch. My crapification one to your
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  project. Thank you.
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  Yeah. Michael, Bay Light and yeah, But
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  talking about Firefly, the thing, yeah, I think we could
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  kind of touched on what I want to say is like, it was really
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  good in that era. Now things have completely
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  changed and it's a little bit too late.
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  Maybe if they did this 10 years ago, this would work.
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  But there's still some hope, you know, like if it's done in a
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  very tasteful way and if it's done, which is relevant to our
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  times. Remember how Edge Runner just
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  resurrected Cyberpunk? If if, if it's done, I'm not
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  saying in that style, but with that kind of heart that it is
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  actually really, really good, then there is hope.
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  But if they're just going to treat it like, yeah, we're just
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  bringing it back and want to use the fans sympathy, It's a little
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  bit a decade. I think it's a decade late for
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  that. I could say I could say there's
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  a little bit of that like I would see like an Orville where
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  it where it shifted from a comedy and then turned into
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  something that was extremely relevant, extremely poignant and
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  some of the best writing you've ever seen.
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  And I think that that is possible.
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  Let's. Yeah.
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  Can I do that? Make it make it relevant to
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  these times? Yeah.
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  Can I be a little air of optimism here?
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  Now. I know, I'm I know I kind of
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  ride the line a lot. I'm optimistic and I'm going to
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  tell you why. They don't have a studio.
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  They their their whole campaign is we need a home.
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  So we need someone to basic basically bankroll this.
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  But a look from how I understand it, it seems like Nathan
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  Fillion, along with a couple of other producers, kind of got
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  this team together on their own. And so now they're just looking
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  for someone to bankroll it. And if they, if they've done
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  that, I'm assuming that they're going to, that they're going to
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  say like, OK, like we're doing it our way.
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  We know how we're doing it. And anyone, any producer that
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  has half a brain, which I know a lot of them don't, they're all
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  just little nepo babies. But any producer with half a
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  brain will see like, just like let these people who clearly
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  know what they're doing, you know, do it.
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  And it's Firefly. It's a huge IP.
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  You have, I mean that the, those social media videos have gone, I
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  couldn't, I don't know, 1,000,000 millions of people
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  have seen them and uploaded them and, and, and shared them.
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  Everybody here knows what I'm talking about.
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  So they're in a really good position to make something
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  really good. I mean, we had we had Expanse go
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  to Amazon and that was amazing. But I'm personally hoping for
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  Apple to take this one on. The newest You're pissing me off
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  today, man. Dude, Apple's killing Apple.
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  You mean get out of here? Oh my God.
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  The one I don't know. When you and Duke, when I was
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  gone, Duke said I have an Apple computer, I don't have an Apple
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  computer and I I don't like this first of.
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  All you should I. Love Apple?
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  No, I just look, I got a 9800 X 3D with a 9070 XTI got it fully
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  custom built and everything like that.
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  And I program and I make firmware and all that other
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  stuff and because I make props, right?
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  All the Star Trek shit, right? But my Mac, my 6 year old Mac
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  laptop M1 can compile shit and be more efficient than my brand
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  new gaming computer. I'm telling you, it's the best
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  value you have in computers right now.
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  Well, in chat right now, Skeeter in chat, writes band Lord
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  Anubis. So.
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  F you Skeeter, I like you. You're, you're actually really
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  cool, so I'll say hi next time. I think they should leave.
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  Leave Firefly alone. My my first, my first and only
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  piece of evidence for the court of public opinion is season 8
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  and 9 of of our favorite show, the insettification of Game of
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  Thrones, and that happened during the run.
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  That was the. Wiper's problem?
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  What was it in seven and eight? What was the 9th?
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  Season apples in Oregon. 7th and 7th and eight those those guys
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  were just they're ruining 3 body problem right now so.
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  That was amazing though. I mean, I don't.
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  Think. There's I don't think there's
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  ever been a more thorough, complete and sudden death of the
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  relevance of an IP. I mean that that went from
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  everyone's talking about it, everyone's watching it.
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  People are, you know, wearing buying shirts, doing whatever to
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  it was gone. Like everyone disagreed.
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  But now lately I didn't even pay any attention to that, but as
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  soon as Knights. Of the Seven Kingdom.
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  Came out, came. Out.
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  Yeah, I watched every, every show of that and it was, it was
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  amazing. If you've read, yeah, not to be
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  that guy, but if you've read the Knights of the Seven Kingdoms
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  book, I mean, it's short. It's a book you can read with
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  your kids. Is it?
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  I mean, it's a. Little gory.
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  Is it a little gory? Yeah, Dunkin and Egg, right?
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  The Dunkin and Egg story. Yeah.
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  Yeah, Yeah. They're doing a really good job
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  with that show in terms of. Keeping.
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  It in line with with the books. You don't agree, hobo?
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  No, it's I, I need to watch it. I.
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  I highly recommend it. Oh.
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  It's very good. I started.
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  It's very, very good. I'm happy to know that you guys
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  are telling me that it's good. I'm I'm hopeful, but with the
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  Game of Thrones, those writers were absolute crap.
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  They, they were just resourcing the real material as long as the
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  books were written. And when they reached the
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  position where the books are not written, their heads were so
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  stuck in the sand like, oh, we are the meta.
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  And they just didn't talk to Martin.
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  They didn't consult on him. They they just became
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  egotistical. Plus Lucasfilms, who was the
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  production house they gave him, they gave them the HBO to to do
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  the movies in Star Wars. And they were like, we just want
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  to wrap this up and jump on that.
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  And they just killed it. They just killed, like we just
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  want to finish it. Up so badly.
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  They stopped caring about it. Yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly. They didn't even get to do that.
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  I don't know. And then they've been working on
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  these couple of episodes of this reality TV show later, and then
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  they get to do The Three Body Problem, which is the best
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  science fiction book I've read. Like the the whole series, the
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  remembrance of Earth's past. What a cosmic horror and they
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  have successfully butchered it now with first season and
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  people, people like it. People still like it, but well,
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  you need to read the books to understand what they have done
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  with that I'm. Hoping they're just fast
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  forwarding through the first couple books because like, the
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  real crazy stuff is what goes on in the universe, so they kind of
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  like to abridge things maybe. I don't know.
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  I mean, it's the only hope I have for it.
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  Have you seen the original Anubis?
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  The original that that the production that happened in
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  China, the $0.10, the variation. Of that, I paid for that.
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  I did see the first season, it was great.
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  To watch that. Yeah, yeah, it's company.
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  Do you reckon those cents were good cents given to $0.10?
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  Well, it was a little bit more than you had to buy a
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  subscription. So I paid the subscription while
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  the while the show was going on and then after the subscription
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  was over, you know, just let it go.
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  It was on YouTube. It was you just joined YouTube.
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  You just joined the house now? Belongs yeah yeah, I have it on
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  I have it on YouTube. I I have it downloaded and I've
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  watched a few and I think that I I like that way more than I I
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  enjoyed. I like the Netflix free body
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  problem. Definitely highly recommended
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  guys read those three books. Those are like wow, the real.
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  Cosmic horror. It was very.
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  Stop loss in the translation that I understand would not have
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  appealed to Western audiences as much.
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  A lot of sexism. I mean that.
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  Use the thing. Yep.
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  You never know. It's not about the characters,
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  you know, it's, it's just not about the characters.
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  It's more, it's, it's a bigger, it's a bigger picture.
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  And when you understand that, that the characters are just
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  people conduit of moving the story forward, that's all they
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  are. It's not about their personal
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  struggle, which is the problem with Hollywood right now.
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  Like everyone just have to have an issue.
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  It's just, well, that's DND failures that they.
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  Were like no. We we need to focus on the
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  characters and it's like everyone agreed, even though it
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  was that didn't like it was like OK, it's not about the
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  characters. It's like they're making, well,
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  the. The.
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  Oh the remaking threads, what here has watched threads?
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  There's social media network. I have it on my computer like
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  torrent downloads that I haven't seen.
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  Not about the characters. It is not about the characters.
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  It is not supposed to be optimistic.
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  It is very depressing. Guess what they're trying to do
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  with the remake of it? Oh, it's going to be a comedy
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  apocalypse. It's like pepping.
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  It up. No, no, it, it, it, it's one of
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  the most depressing things I've ever watched.
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  And it's like on the beach and trying to make on the beach a
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  happy, fun story, which no, that no, again, they're they're
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  handing out like suicide pills because the the nuclear cloud is
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  coming to just kill everyone. It's it's depressing like this
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  is. No, just you can have depressing
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  literature and movies and shows it it's OK, you can do that.
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  But hobo can I tell you they don't sell as well?
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  I know because if I'm home with my lady and if you got a lady,
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  you know she wants to watch a sitcom.
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  Nine times. Out of. 10 She wants sexist
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  generalization. Very.
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  Yeah, my lady wants. To get a rumble.
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  That's not right. My wife wants to watch Yeah
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  Talker highlights and she's. Not like.
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  I'm not, it's not, it's not a. Lady.
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  Yeah, same lady thing. Omitted evolution videos on
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  YouTube that are two hours long. So.
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  You talk. So, George, are you?
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  You've been. You've been shut down.
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  You fucked. HH.
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  Bomber Guy video. Your your archaic feelings on.
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  Yeah, will it? Sexual stratification or not?
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  In general. In general, what do Jar Jar
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  wants to say is what? No, what do Jar Jar wants to say
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  is basically he's he's coming from the point of view that the
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  popular culture, the mass culture is dumbed down.
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  I think. Yeah, that's.
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  True, I think, but that's. Same popular.
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  However, Jar Jar, the same popular, the same popular
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  culture audience and the mass culture audience was the
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  audience which made the feelings about A Game of Thrones known.
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  You can only push the shit if far enough.
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  Like you can't just you can't just keep shoveling that crap to
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  us all the time. It doesn't always work.
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  So you can take a leave a little bit, you can go a little bit, a
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  little bit, you know, Yeah, I. Mean my my larger point was I
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  think lightheartedness sells. More.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Drama and like shit that makes you think because most of the
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  time you get home, you work, you just want something like on
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  that's like chill and and and lighthearted, which is kind of
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  what Firefly. I mean, Firefly was unique
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  because it fulfilled all of these, these aspects, you know?
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  It hit all the buttons. It hit all the buttons.
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  It showed resilience, yeah. It made Murphy.
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  Jack I like the Serenity more. The movie.
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  I like the tone of that movie more.
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  Yeah, I like that more than the show.
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  That's the. Contrary, I like.
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  That's no I, I. Agree.
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  I mean, it's OK. Yeah, You agree, Anubis?
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  Interesting. Yeah, 'cause Serenity was OK.
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  So Fox knew they fucked up, right?
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  And at the time, $175,000,000 to invest into a movie was a lot of
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  money. And what they did with Serenity
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  was like a proper like actual respectful send off that didn't
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  compromise on anything. I I think that you know, they,
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  they knew it was, they knew they couldn't bring back another
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  season. It's just been awkward.
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  It would have been weird, especially with the, you know,
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  the, the, the shift in the, in the, in the industry at the
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  time. And they gave it what they could
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  and they, they gave it something that was very special because I
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  remember Serenity as if it was the same show.
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  I don't even remember it as a separate movie.
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  And therefore we don't need it to come back.
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  In a cartoon. Or anime.
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  Unless done in. Yeah.
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  What? I think.
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  I'm I'm being done right? I have very little I.
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  Have a lot. I think it's going to be done
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  pretty well. Dude, I read I read the the
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  graphic novel like went through that a little bit man, if they
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  animate this and like did you, the animation studio they hired
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  is good. It's not some Dave Filoni
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  bullshit computer. Generated.
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  I like Dave Filoni, yeah. Oh, you know, get out of here
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  saying. Like.
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  Clone Wars, they worked with that animation.
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  File you can be long. You guys can all be wrong like
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  fine. This is this is a Tony Gilroy
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  podcast. Get out of here.
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  Here, here's the thing, George, are what I think what
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  everybody's channeling right now is basically we all love
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  Firefly. It has a very special place in
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  our heart. And if they screw it up, it's
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  like, and especially Fillion does it, then man, that's not
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  it's going to destroy that good vibes that we associate with the
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  Firefly. Is the juice worth the squeeze?
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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  But do you really want to do this?
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  Isn't it like a little late for that?
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  Like it's, it's it's it's the we are coming from a place of love,
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  bro. So here's the potential, right?
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  Yeah, last word. Here we saw and, or like if, if
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  this is a serious animated series where it shows them
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  rising up and becoming the brown coats and the reasons why things
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  like that, I think that would be really awesome.
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  I don't know, you know, I don't know if they're going to do
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  flashbacks through it all and you know, 'cause I supposedly
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  it's supposed to be set in the later times, but I think they
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  can do things like explaining that and, and, and showing more
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  of the reasons and making it meaningful As for these times,
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  as he was saying. I just don't see any studios
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  about giving them the budget they need to properly make it
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  and not metal. It needs to be done tastefully.
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  It needs to be done with the IT is, it is.
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  It's a tough job, man, So creative.
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  If if you think about it, it's there's a lot of chance of
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  failing it, but but if they do it, that'll be the best story,
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  that'll be the most beautiful story.
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  Oh yeah. Well, I think that's a good
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  place to leave it. Thank you all for staying.
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  We are way past our usual time, but I thank you all for hanging
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  in there. Hanging in there.
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  With me. This is Open Comms Radio, your
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  Star Citizen Collins show, and this has been Open Comms Radio
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  Talks Firefly.