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Ep. 381 - Extraterrestrial (2014) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 3: Enjoy the show. Welcome back to Frimar's podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 3: host Austin Proctor and joining me today four Episode three
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  Speaker 3: eighty one is My Good friend Corey Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Heyo, everybody that's not an airplane.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, I have plenty of thoughts on seth Today,
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  Speaker 3: on the last installment of Melian Invasion, we're discussing our
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  Speaker 3: wild card pick Extraterrestrial from twenty fourteen, a movie where
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  Speaker 3: the most annoying person should be called Kyle, but for
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  Speaker 3: some reason, our Mac main actor is instead. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: where this lands on the nightmare index. All right, Corey,
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  Speaker 3: So in the past week or so, what have you watched?
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  Speaker 3: I have nothing from the corrections department this week, although
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  Speaker 3: they might be slacking.
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  Speaker 1: How long has it been since, like we've actually done
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  Speaker 1: an episode because I can't remember if some of these
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  Speaker 1: movies I talked about on the last time we recorded
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  Speaker 1: or not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's see the last episode we did. Well, Jesus Christ,
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  Speaker 3: has it been that long? It's been a minute, Renfield
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  Speaker 3: about April seventeenth, So it's been over a month. Holy shit. Yeah, Okay, So.
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  Speaker 1: Then I've seen a few things. Actually, I have seen
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  Speaker 1: both Oddity and Hokum, which I know you and I
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  Speaker 1: have texted about ad nauseum at this point, both of
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  Speaker 1: them scoring four and a half out of five's for me.
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  Speaker 1: So that's solid, solid ratings. I enjoyed both of them tremendously.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Shelby Oaks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, first time gave it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, first time gave it a three, gave it a
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  Speaker 1: three out of five. It's a fun time.
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  Speaker 3: It was what it was, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then I've also been watching a bunch of like
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  Speaker 1: Apple TV stuff, So Jessica and I finally finished out
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  Speaker 1: Ted Lasso because we're like way late to the game,
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  Speaker 1: but it was fantastic. And then I watched an Apple
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  Speaker 1: TV produced movie called The Greatest Beer Run Ever, all
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  Speaker 1: right with Zach Efron. It's based on a true story
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  Speaker 1: of this guy from New York that is a merchant
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  Speaker 1: mariner and he decides during the Vietnam War to take
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  Speaker 1: beers to all of his neighborhood friends who are in Vietnam,
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  Speaker 1: and the movie is him just kind of like bullshitting
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  Speaker 1: his way into Vietnam, and then it's a whole like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Vietnam War movie, they shouldn't have been there in the.
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  Speaker 3: First place type type shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also gave that movie a three o five.
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  Speaker 1: Zac Efron is peak his comedy. He's a pretty fucking
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  Speaker 1: comedic actor.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I mean, I really enjoyed him in one of
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  Speaker 3: the worst movies of this fucking decade, the Firestarter remake.
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  Speaker 3: He was great in that, probably the only good thing
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  Speaker 3: about that movie. So he's come a long way from
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  Speaker 3: his high school musical days for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And did you see uh, did you ever see iron Claw?
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  Speaker 3: I did see iron Claw. He was fantastic in that,
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  Speaker 3: so good, So all right, yeah, uh did you did
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  Speaker 3: you recommend Widow's Bay to me? Were you one of
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  Speaker 3: the fifteen? Okay? I thought you were gonna me okay,
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  Speaker 3: because I thought you were about to recommend it, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, it's I have to watch
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  Speaker 3: it now because within the past week, four separate people
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  Speaker 3: have mentioned it. And I'm like, all right, I'll get
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  Speaker 3: on Widow's Bay. But I also haven't seen any Apple originals,
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  Speaker 3: so I feel like I should start somewhere, like with
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  Speaker 3: the Severance or something, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know so I would recommend. So I started with a
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  Speaker 1: show called Shrinking.
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  Speaker 3: And it's isn't that a Ben ben Stiller? Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's Jason Siegel Harrison Ford. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember the girl's name, but she's fucking hilarious. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a stacked Once you realize who everybody is, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's like a show of character actors. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: except for Harrison Ford obviously, he's just well he's he's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a show about therapists.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I remember you briefly mentioned it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's really good. So you got that one.
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  Speaker 1: And then we just watched ted Lasso. They're coming out
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  Speaker 1: with the fourth season of that soon, but there's three
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  Speaker 1: seasons of that show and they're amazing. They're like thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine minutes long. Okay, thirty nine to fifty nine. Jason Sadekas, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Sidakas, which, like I knew he was a good actor,
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  Speaker 1: but man, yeah, he's he's got some shops in ted Lasso. Okay, Like,
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  Speaker 1: there was one scene that happened, like he's doing this
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  Speaker 1: like really heartfelt emotional monologue and I look over at
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  Speaker 1: Jessica and she looks over at me and we're both
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  Speaker 1: like weepy eyed, were like, what the fuck is this?
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  Speaker 3: Who is this is not what I signed up for?
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  Speaker 3: Don't make me feel Okay, anything else in the uh
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  Speaker 3: ouvra if that's even the right word. I'm just pulling
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  Speaker 3: words out of my head.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's that's that's about it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let me go to the old letter box here
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  Speaker 3: and see what I've been watching this. This is the
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  Speaker 3: bonus episode, so there hasn't been much time in between
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  Speaker 3: the last recording in this, but let's see. Obviously, I
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  Speaker 3: watched Obsession. I'm gonna just mention that again. I'm obsessed
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  Speaker 3: with that movie. It's so good. I watched Dark Skies,
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  Speaker 3: one of the most criminally underrated alien abduction movies. I
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  Speaker 3: really wish I would have done this as the deep cut.
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  Speaker 3: No offense to puppet Masters, but Dark Skies is fucking incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I was supposed to sh my god, Passenger has been
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  Speaker 3: a nightmare. I was supposed to go see Passenger like
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  Speaker 3: thirteen different times. I'm going to see it today finally,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm excited about that one. Hopefully it's not as
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  Speaker 3: much of a disappointment as Corporate Retreat. The ratings aren't great.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm hyped for that movie.
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  Speaker 3: I'm hyped for it too, because they actually involve Gabby noted.
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  Speaker 3: Notice this in the trailer, but there's a little like
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  Speaker 3: not statue, but something hanging from the mirror that's like
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  Speaker 3: this patron saint of safe traveling and that's actually brought
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  Speaker 3: into the movie and I'm like, oh, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: I love see that.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. I was actually talking to Kyle about this
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  Speaker 1: like two nights ago. We were talking about new stuff
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  Speaker 1: coming out, because he had asked me if I had
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  Speaker 1: seen Hokum and I was like, man, Passengers and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, it seems really cool. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, man, they had me sold, because they do
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  Speaker 1: in the trailer one of my absolute favorite tropes in
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  Speaker 1: horror ever, where it's like you're running away from or
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  Speaker 1: you're driving away from something hooky spooky, and you like
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  Speaker 1: turn the corner or you run through the door and
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  Speaker 1: you think you're about to be safe and you're right
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  Speaker 1: back to where you fucking started, and it's like yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the trailer that means they're gonna do that
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  Speaker 1: like fifty seven number times through the movie, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: if it is just a movie of that, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be so.
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  Speaker 3: Happy, exactly exactly. That's where I'm at. I love in
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  Speaker 3: movies when you're in an ever ending loop and it
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  Speaker 3: just seems to be He's in this loop of not
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  Speaker 3: being able to pass this guy, not being able to
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  Speaker 3: pass this guy, and then boom, he's in the passenger seat.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm you know, and I love a good jump
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  Speaker 3: scare movie as long as they're done right. There's something
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  Speaker 3: wrong with jump scares. I feel like people are so
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  Speaker 3: down on jump scares, but I genuinely not every horror movie,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I like them. Here and There a good example.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Hokum honestly had a lot of jump scares,
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  Speaker 3: but they were so well crafted and so creepy that
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, this is this is what I.
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  Speaker 1: Think with the thing with Hokum is they telegraphed the
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  Speaker 1: jump scares so much that they they say they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: in the next like forty seconds, you're gonna get jump scared,
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  Speaker 1: and then you get jump scared and you're like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: you got me, because they were never like it was
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  Speaker 1: never like ooh, that's fucking scary. It was. It was
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  Speaker 1: music based jump scares. Like if you didn't have that
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  Speaker 1: giant swell stab with whatever they're showing you on camera,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been a jump scare. It just would
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  Speaker 1: have been something like shocking to see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one I say, unjump scare because at
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  Speaker 3: one point Adam Scott's character goes from from one room
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  Speaker 3: to the next and then all of a sudden, someone's
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  Speaker 3: just behind him and I was like, ah, like noah,
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  Speaker 3: that was great. But yeah, so I'm excited for Passenger
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  Speaker 3: tonight and I think that's all I've recently watched. I
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to watch the Cult Movie Challenge that didn't
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  Speaker 3: happen this week. This was my week off too, or
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  Speaker 3: last week because now it's the day after Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 3: Last week was my week off and I did like
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  Speaker 3: it was jam packed full of shit, so I didn't
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  Speaker 3: even get to half the stuff that I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's all I've watched. So I'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about The Lately Maniac at some point for Shaw
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  Speaker 3: Brothers a week probably next week. And then I also
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  Speaker 3: have the screener for Cracking that I'm gonna check out
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  Speaker 3: and do a review on here to But other than that,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's all I have. Oh and then back
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  Speaker 3: Rooms comes out this weekend, which beyond hypes four, Gabby
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  Speaker 3: and I are gonna go see like the ten forty
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  Speaker 3: five am showing our AMC actually has a new format.
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  Speaker 3: It's called XL and it's like that is a forty
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  Speaker 3: foot tall or wide screen, so it's it's not Imax
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  Speaker 3: or Doby. It's just a massive screen. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: go see backrooms on the biggest screen at our theater. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty cool. Also, random update on dust Bunnies, because
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  Speaker 3: it's been over a year since we've shot that film.
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  Speaker 3: I'm finally getting around to finishing up the editing. It
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  Speaker 3: is ten minutes currently. The first five minutes are fully
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  Speaker 3: complete and done. I went to my dad's studio, got
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of sound effects and horror scores because
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  Speaker 3: it's really all I need to do is just add
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  Speaker 3: in all the background, do some color grade, and call
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  Speaker 3: it a day. So the plan is.
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  Speaker 1: ADR is normally what takes the like editing the movie
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  Speaker 1: doesn't normally take that long. It's all ADR and backend stuff. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: Nis the movie takes so long.
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  Speaker 3: I had all of the video done in a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days, and then the audio I was like fuck.
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  Speaker 3: So that it is is almost the beginning of June.
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  Speaker 3: I plan to have this finish by the end of June,
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  Speaker 3: and then in July we're gonna start submitting it to
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  Speaker 3: film festivals. Gabby doesn't want to release it on YouTube
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  Speaker 3: just yet, which is fine. She's the director, so we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do some festival runs see if it gets accepted.
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  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. And I'm currently in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: writing two separate scripts right now for feature length films.
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  Speaker 3: One that is gonna be a bigger movie that's gonna
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  Speaker 3: involve a budget, and I actually might have funding for
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  Speaker 3: due to a very good friend of mine who will
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  Speaker 3: remain nameless for now, and director I know and love
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  Speaker 3: who if he's interested he might help as well. And
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  Speaker 3: then I have a smaller, much more, much more budget
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  Speaker 3: friendly future length that I am about end pages into writing.
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  Speaker 3: So good stuff coming out here. You know, I learned,
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  Speaker 3: I learned the hard way from dust bunnies, and now
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  Speaker 3: I know going into my next, you know, my future
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  Speaker 3: that this is gonna be. Now I know what to do.
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  Speaker 3: But anyways, anyways, let's move on. Let's go to the
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  Speaker 3: body count, all right? So I couldn't remember if this
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  Speaker 3: was found footage or not. And while there are elements
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  Speaker 3: of POV, I think I'm confusing extraterrestrial with alien abduction
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  Speaker 3: because they're both from twenty fourteen, but this is extraterrestrial
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  Speaker 3: from the year I just mentioned twenty fourteen, released on
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  Speaker 3: October seventeenth of that year, straight to the Internet. It
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  Speaker 3: did have a limited run in November of that year,
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  Speaker 3: but I did not realize this went straight to streaming,
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  Speaker 3: which seems weird because it's twelve years ago. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: really think things did that that much outside of like
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  Speaker 3: Netflix originals. But nonetheless, this is not rated. We've got
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  Speaker 3: mild sex and nudity, moderate violence and gore, severe profanity,
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  Speaker 3: moderate alcoholic drugs and smoking. I would say severe because
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  Speaker 3: Seth is constantly drinking, and moderate frightening and intend sees
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  Speaker 3: coming in an hour and forty one minutes. Listed as
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  Speaker 3: an action horror, mystery, sci fi thriller directed by Colin Minihan.
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  Speaker 3: He is part of the Vicious Brothers with Stuart Ortiz.
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  Speaker 3: They also directed Grave Encounters. Colin directed It Stains the
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  Speaker 3: Sands Red and What Keeps You Alive. This is also
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  Speaker 3: written by Colin. He wrote everything I just mentioned. He
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  Speaker 3: also wrote Stillborn Z and Spiral not the Saw Spiral
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  Speaker 3: and then written by Stewart Ortiz. They wrote this as
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  Speaker 3: the Vicious Brothers He also wrote Grave Encounters, which he
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  Speaker 3: also helped codirect. It Stains the Sands Red and Strange
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  Speaker 3: Harvests composed by someone called Blitz Backslash Backslash Berlin. They
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  Speaker 3: also composed The Void, Psycho Gore Man and The Silent
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  Speaker 3: Knight Deadly Knight from twenty twenty five. Cinematography by Sammy Naya,
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  Speaker 3: who also did the cinematography for The Void. Edited by
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  Speaker 3: Colin Minihan. He edits pretty much everything he directs, and
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  Speaker 3: also Stewart Ortiz helped as well. He edited Grave Encounters
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  Speaker 3: and Strange Harvest. We have a wildly good, i'd say
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  Speaker 3: interesting cast in this. He had Brittany Allen is April.
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  Speaker 3: She You're probably gonna know her from Jigsaw's Carly, but
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  Speaker 3: she also starred in Color.
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  Speaker 1: What Jessica knows her from was Supernatural.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, or that I never watched that. She
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  Speaker 3: did also star in Colin's other films, It Stains the
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  Speaker 3: Sands Red and What Keeps You Alive. Then you have
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  Speaker 3: Freddie stromas Kyle. He was also in Harry Potter six,
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  Speaker 3: seven and eight as Kormick mcleaghan. Melanie Pepia as Melanie,
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  Speaker 3: who was also in the Den as Elizabeth. Benton I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that recently on the podcast Killer POV style horror
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  Speaker 3: movie Jess Moth as Seth. He was also in Tucker
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  Speaker 3: and Dale Versus Evil as Chad, which is much more
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  Speaker 3: fitting name for his character in this movie. Anya sav
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  Speaker 3: Kick as lex who hasn't done much, but she was
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  Speaker 3: in Ricky Siniki as Susan gil Bello's a Sheriff Murphy.
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  Speaker 3: He was in The Shawshank Redemption as Tommy, and then
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  Speaker 3: Michael Fucking Ironside popping up in this as Travis. You
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  Speaker 3: might know him from many things, but I know him
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  Speaker 3: most from Scanners as Daryl Revick. Estimate A Bunchet of
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  Speaker 3: only three million, which is quite impressive, only got one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two thousand at the box office because
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  Speaker 3: it went straight to streaming. Movie was filmed in BC Canada.
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  Speaker 3: You can watch this on AMC plus movies that came
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  Speaker 3: out around the same time, Sweet Christ, What a What
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a Year? Or Month? Interstellar, Gone Girl, John Wick, American
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  Speaker 3: Sniper Fury, Big Hero Six, Annaba, Annabelle, Dracula, Untold, The
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  Speaker 3: Taking of Deborah Logan, Dumb and Dumber two, the sequel
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  Speaker 3: Everyone Forgot About Last Shift, Clown Wija, the Talent that Dreaded,
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  Speaker 3: Sundown and the House is October Bilt. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: good horror, a lot of good just other shit right
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  Speaker 3: heater some heaters in there. IODB summary. A group of
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  Speaker 3: friends on a weekend trip to a cabin in the
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  Speaker 3: woods find themselves terrorized by alien visitors. Let's go into
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  Speaker 3: the autopsy, all right, Corey uh man, this this was
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  Speaker 3: a movie. I've got some thoughts. I've got some feelings,
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  Speaker 3: but let's go to you overall thoughts. What do you got?
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  Speaker 1: So this is my uh this is my analogy that
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  Speaker 1: I said, I've never.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're you're gonna fuck me up with this. Right
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  Speaker 3: off the rip. Let's right off the rip. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: So I I Am going to use baseball to explain
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  Speaker 1: this movie. Okay, somehow this movie has two strikes and
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  Speaker 1: three balls. It's bottom of the ninth and god damn it,
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  Speaker 1: somehow this movie still got on base because on that
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  Speaker 1: final pitch the batter got hit. They got there. But
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  Speaker 1: due to no work of their own did they get there.
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  Speaker 1: It was my work and my enjoyment of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I enjoyed that got it there. Did they deserve
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  Speaker 1: it probably not oh when it got there anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Ten out of ten no notes. I'm not even gonna
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  Speaker 3: give my overall thoughts because it's not gonna come close
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  Speaker 3: to this movie. You will hear my thoughts as the
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  Speaker 3: review goes along. So typically as I've been doing lately,
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  Speaker 3: I tried to pick something a theme and start with
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  Speaker 3: that theme. But there's too much to say about this movie,
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  Speaker 3: so we're just gonna get into it. I really really
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  Speaker 3: liked the cold open. In fact, I think it is
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  Speaker 3: quite terrific because terrified young woman runs up to the
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  Speaker 3: gas station frantic, in need of help. Something's clearly chasing her,
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  Speaker 3: we just don't know what. The employee is very uninterested.
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  Speaker 3: I love how he even flips off the open sign,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: basically saying, you know, go fuck yourself, runs outside, heads
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: for a toll booth, which are a toll booth, a
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: phone booth, which I didn't even know still existed in
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. I didn't realize they were still around, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: calls nine to one one pleading for help, and then boom,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: beam of light. She's gone, not attacked, not dragged away,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: just banished into this beat or vanished into this beam
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of light. So of course the employee walks outside and
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, not only is the lady gone, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the phone booth is gone too, and then phone booth
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: crashes to Earth. I mean, what a way to tell
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: your audience they're in for some fucking alien nonsense in
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: my opinion. But even before that, the movie had me
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: utterly wheezing with the gas station like the display box
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: that they had, so it's like it's like, I was like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: is this down footing? I can't remember? And it opens
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: like in space with Earth and meteors and shit, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: then the camera pulls out pun intended you'll get that
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: in a minute to an advertisement for condoms. It's a
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: little display with the picture of space and a constellation
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: in the form of a condom. And I was fucking wheezing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I was, yeah, what
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: the fuck happened?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Jess Can I were jess Can and I were watching it,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this is this is a weird visual?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Wait is it a dick? No, it's a condom. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: then it zoomed out even more and Jessica was like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: now just looks like a turd.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So, uh, what did you feel about the cold open,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: uh with a name like extraterrestrial. I don't feel like
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we needed a setup like that, but I did really
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: enjoy it. I'd love to get your thoughts on it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You, you and the listeners know me in the sense
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that almost always I enjoy a cold open.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I love it when it's well done. But even when
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it's like not well done, I'm like, uh, still thanks
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for the establishment.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But this one it was super cool and I really
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like that. You get almost a double payoff in a sense,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: because the you get the you get the crazy strobing flashes,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and then the entire phone booth and the woman are gone.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But then the phone booth falls back down, so you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: get the ooh it's gone, and then you get the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: scare for lack of a better term, of the phone
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: booth falling, and you're like, oh shit. So they're just
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like they're just wanton with it. Like there it's I.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. And then they go into the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: rest of the story and I'm like, all right, thank
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you for setting the tone of what I need to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: expect going.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Forward with this one and this this it falls into
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the category of just forgotten alien flex because typically when
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: we're talking alien abduction, the conversation is usually maybe fire
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: in the Sky, Close Encounters, Fourth Kind might be thrown
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: in there, because when in terms of alien abduction movies
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: where you see people get abducted, they're not done as
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: much as say alien invasion, alien attack. But honestly, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: like this one rarely gets mentioned alongside a couple other
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: movies like Dark Skies. I mentioned that earlier alien abduction
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Communion maybe Area fifty one, but that might be a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: little little niche there. But I think this movie should
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: get talked about more because Beneath the Chaos is a movie,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, that understands exactly what makes alien horror scary,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: not necessarily invasion or warfare, not destruction, but the act
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: of being abducted. The idea that something is coming for
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about except
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: for April, but we'll get there. And I think that's
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: what the movie taps into. The fear it becomes genuinely
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: effective for me when they're doing it properly, you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: because there's a lot of pacing issues which we'll get to,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: so oh.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: And I think the smartest thing this movie does before
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: is make the setup feel believable before everything goes off
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the rails. I mean, the setup is for a movie
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: like this can be done in a multitude of ways,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: but this one, to me, feels very real and grounded.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: She is April is heading to a cabin to take
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: photos for her mother because they're selling this cabin and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the you know, the professional is too expensive and her
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: mother's cheap, so she's not going there. Because they found
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: a mysterious map and there's no demons. It's just it
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: feels real, you know, it's the thing that would happen
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: in a family. And then Kyle secretly invites some friends
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: because he wants to turn a boring weekend into it getaway. Again,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: completely believable, and we spend enough time with these relationships
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: that the characters feel like people we actually know, not
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: necessarily horror archetypes waiting to die outside of seth I
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: would say, but uh, it makes escalating the chaos easier
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: to buy into. And I love like, I love So
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: they had a good, cold, open, good setup. What do
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: we feel about the setup? Did it feel natural? Did
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: it feel uh, not too far fetched? I mean they're
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: they're going out there to take photos of the house,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and she has the camera to she does bring the camera.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, the the initial setup is is totally fine.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, they have no problem with it. Gotcha.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: My first thing that I'm like, hmm, I feel like
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: something got missed here in the entire drive up, did
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you see the dog?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: M fuck? I wasn't paying attention.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: No, where the fuck did Rusty come from?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I saw, I know there's a shot of them outside
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: and the dog is there. Yeah, but I don't remember.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But where did the dog come from?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't remember seeing the car now and if
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you fuck yeah, I don't remember that at all. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Fox fuck Seth for setting off fireworks and you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: with a with a vehicle that has a dog in it,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I fucking hate set right.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And then so Jessico bailed out once they killed the dog,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: which are.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, lost lost points for me for sure because the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: dog disappears and I'm like, oh, he's gonna be safe.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: He fucked off, and then they show him dead and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like that is this bullshit? Losing losing points immediately.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Especially because it is an ethereal dog to begin with.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: This dog just appears, did they is this did the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Are the fucking parents just absolute terrible people? They get
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: divorced and they're like, I leave the dog here, it'll
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: be all right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah I don't know. Uh so yeah, okay, so that
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the dog doesn't work for you, that's that's that's completely yeah, that's.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And there's something about the way the dialogue is written
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to me, which I don't know if this was a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: show you watched when you were younger, but from my childhood,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: my show for a long time was Degrassi The Next Generation.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I never got out, and it's so Canadian, like it's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the most Canadian, like some of the characters even like
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: sorry like a boot, like like it's Canadian Canadian, And
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: some of this dialogue felt like high school degrassy dialogue
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like it was. It was just a little blunted, like
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: none of it, even the heartfelt moments, felt a little
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: bit canned. Or like when April's talking about like I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: don't even know if I believe in marriage, it's like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it sounds like she's talking out the side of her
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: mouth with that. Yeah, like nothing, none of the not
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: until they're screaming about aliens. Does anybody really sound sincere
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: about anything?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Right? And I have I actually have an entire section
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: specifically about the dialogue that I would love to get into.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: And because it's it's not just Seth that I hate.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: They all fall victims to it. But but before we
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: before we dive into that, I wanted to because the movie,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, it gets pretty, it gets going pretty quickly.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: It's you know, for an hour and forty one minutes.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: It's good and bad. But I think that UFO reveal
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: is one of the coolest things because typically in alien movies, yes,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: we get a lot of shit crash landing to Earth,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: but seeing the actual UFO is the thing that crashed,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: it's very rare. And they they went with the class.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: They didn't try to reinvent the wheel here. They used
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: one that has existed in culture for decades, the traditional
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: silver flying disc, the thing that you know you see
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: in the blurry photographs. And to me, there's something so
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: refreshing about using just a saucer, like it was so simple,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: and the the graph of the CG honestly look pretty
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: fucking solid for being twelve years old. No, on a three.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Million dollar bus, it looked amazing.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so I'm not alone in the other day.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, here's what killed it. And now this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: may this may be a Oh Corey has too much
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: niche information floating around in his brain, so this may
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: be a me thing, but it may not be. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: have I wouldn't say intimate knowledge, but I have a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: good working knowledge of the information about the things that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: happened at Roswell and like the story behind Roswell. Okay,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: so when they come upon the crash, instead of like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: them just like picking shit up and handling it and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just like showing us things. I can't remember if it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Seth or Kyle, but one of them picks up a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: piece of the ship and he's like, it's so light,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it's almost like it's aluminum or like some kind of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like tinfoil. Yeah, it's like some kind of foil. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, that's exactly what they said at Roswell.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But now you're just copying. Now, you're not inspired by Now,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you're just saying the direct thing. If they wouldn't have
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: said anything about it, and they would have just like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: observed it and like fucked around with it and shown
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: us what they were doing, I would have been like, hmmm,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this is a perfect scene. No notes, it's absolutely perfect,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but they're just like telling us things about it that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: especially once they mention Roswell earlier in the movie with Travis.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You're now thinking, okay, I include in. They're using Roswell
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: as like a jump off point, right, I know the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: information about Roswell. Cool, show it to me. But then
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: they show it and they're like, ooh, Roswell details. Okay, fine,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: all right, you over explain to themselves.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, say all right, I have a note on that
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that we're kind of split on. But that's okay. But yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: they mean they give you the classic Honestly, the effect
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: hold up the crash sequence is great because watching this
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: massive saucer crash into the forest immediately shifts the dynamic.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, characters are not dealing with a distant threat.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: The threat is right there, and once the ship arrives,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: the movie delivers it's best sequence. Not immediately, it's a
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: little bit after the ship's arrives and they're dealing with
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the aliens. But I wanted to talk about one specific
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: scene because I feel like this scene is a true
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: master class and film making, film editing, cinematography, whatever the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: fuck you wanna call it, it's Lex's abduction. To me,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the scene is flat out phenomenal. It is pouring rain.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's Kyle and April. They're investigating that tree, which,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: by the way, is like surgically sliced, and I love
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: that because you know, it's like, why is this cut
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: so cleaning? And then it stops raining instantly. Immediately got
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: vibes from Nope because it happens in Nope. And then
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Seth notices that it's still raining by the car, so
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: he goes over to the car, and there's this great
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: shot of Seth walking through this wall of rain. It's
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: not raining here, it's raining over here. He sticks his
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: hand out and is like, what the fuck is happening,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: and then boom, red light floods everything, transforming the environment
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: into the literal things of nightmares. And that visual alone,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: to me, is very unsettling, and for the briefest of moment,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I feel this movie captures the feeling that made fire
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: in the sky so terear with that beam of light
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that hits Lex. Why Lex decides to step out of
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the car is fucking beyond me. My only note on
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: this little section is her stepping out because it makes
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: no sense. But then the beam hits her, she starts
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to rise, but then the camera does this just fucking
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: beautiful thing. It starts at the ground and starts to
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: just pan up from her feet to her face, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you have these rocks kind of spiraling around her, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: she's just entranced in this beam and then boom, she
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: gets joinked up to the UFO. By the way, yoink
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: is the opposite of a yeat. But I thought that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: one's one of the most incredible abduction sequences, Like it
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: was so well done. I don't know if I'm alone
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: in that feeling. Would love your thoughts, No, it was.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I love that they do it. They started off and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you it's almost made in a sense that lex it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like a serene experience, and she's like she's looking up
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: at it like it's it's almost a religious experience. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: then the soundtracking drops out and she just gets joinked
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: up like violently, like you can tell they put a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: harness on her and they said, hey, this is gonna hurt,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and just pulled the fucking chord and jerked her up
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: into the sky. Now the on My only thought, after
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: having seen the full movie is thinking that there is
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So this is after April has shotgunned one of them.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, correct, yes, okay, no, yes, yes, yes, that happens
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: early on, Okay, and there's a reason.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So right, So April shotgun is one of these things.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So what we know for a fact that, well, we
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, but after we have seen the movie we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: know so that one of these things at least is
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: running out running around out in these woods. We also
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: know from having seen the movie that these aliens, I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: guessing if they are in like direct line of sight,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: have some sort of like mind control powers. So I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: thinking that the shotgunned alien was running around the ship
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was actually coming to pick up that alien, and that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: alien did the mind control on les as like a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: terror act, like let let me do this to scare
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: them because I want them to know they fucked up
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: by shotgunning me. Yeah maybe, but yeah no, the it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it is a it's a terrifying act like it's it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: such a power move on the move of the aliens,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: because that's kind of the moment you you're not gonna win,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like that was the moment where I go, Okay, everybody's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: dying like, if you got a name, you're dying.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, everyone's pretty fucked in this movie.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah they yeah, they really are.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And something I was getting upset about slowly during that
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: scene was okay, red light. Interesting, Usually it's white light.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Why is it red? Show me the ship, Show me
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the ship. And it doesn't show you the ship until
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: she gets sucked into it, and I was like, that
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: ship is fucking incredible. It's the classic saucer, but it's
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: got all these red lights around it and it looks
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: so good just hovering there. I was so impressed with
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the CG in this movie, probably because most of it
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: takes place at night. The UFO they can kind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: you know, the aliens did not look that great at
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: some moments, but the ship itself.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Will what the aliens it looked like the fucking South
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Park aliens.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Like the design of them, but the the CG moving
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: them around little wonky, if we're being honest, But they
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: di you know, they definitely put their budget into the UFO,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that because a lot of the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: times some of the aliens are in the background, out
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: of focus, or that one that just fucking like sprinted
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: past the camera. And almost made me fall out of
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: my fucking seat. But seeing the ship was incredible hovering
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: in the sky because you get to see it a
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: few times. And I'm glad that they I really thought
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: they were not going to show it in that abduction
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: scene and I was gonna lose points for that, But
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: the fact that they did show it above this forest,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: it just it looked so fucking good. I mean, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: like I said, Lex does make a terrible decision, maybe
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: not the worst decision, because I think that goes to Seth.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: But but we'll get before we roast Seth, before we
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: get to absolutely destroying this man. Let's give the movie
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: credit for some of the things that it does well.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Something very small, right, something that I thought, it's such
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: a small moment that I felt was just a beautiful
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: plot device. Is the movie plants information about the shotgun. Right.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: So earlier in the film, we see her video skyping
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: whatever her father and he's like, Hey, you're going out there.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I need a couple of things. I need this, my
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: fishing raws, my drills. There's a shotgun in the basement
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I need. And I didn't think anything of it at first.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I was just like he needs some stuff, and then
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: when the power goes out, they go to the basement
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, the shotgun's down there. This is beautiful.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: So like, that little detail worked so well for me
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: because there's a reason for it to be down there.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, other than the fact that it is a
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: cabin in the woods and you probably have one, but
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: specifically being in the basement was set up so well
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that I'm like, all right, I love this. They're not
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: just happening to come across a gun. It was set
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: up in a very small way. That is, it's basic
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: screenwriting set up payoff, and you'd be surprised at how
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: many movies forget to do that. But it delivers these
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: character as a tool without making it feel forced. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know it was I latched onto that for
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: like so hard. I was like, I don't know why
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I love that so much, but it just made me
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: happy that they were so detailed in some ways and
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: then other ways they were just so vague, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: like like we're being very specific about the shotgun, but anyways,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: and see, I.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Like the shotgun payoff, but at the same time, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: felt like, ooh, this is just an evil Dead reference
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: because Shotgun in a basement.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Shotgun in a basement very much Evil Dead. There's
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: also a lot of other alien movies. I feel it
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: is paying homage to Maybe people think they're ripping off.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I do believe it's homage. I don't think and I'll
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: explain why I think it's homage because there's a very
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: there's a scene in the very beginning of the movie
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: that that is why I think that. But and this
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: is the thing that you were not keen on the
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: can speak thing, right. I think the movie introduces this
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: idea which is either you know, brilliant or completely insane,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: depending on your perspective. You are not too keen on it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I love it. But when Travis drops the.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no no, I wasn't keen on them showing
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: and explaining in that one section, Okay, the conspiracy, the
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the conspiracy payoff for me is what saved the movie.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Okay, okay, it was it was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to It was to no work of their own. They
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: just used something that was already like built into the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: story that they were trying to tell.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, gotch they.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: They they it was not an original ending at all,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they just said, hey, take that alien conspiracy and film it. Okay,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So it was it wasn't It wasn't an original work.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It was built off of something else. That's that's why
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying they got hit with the ball.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah I gotcha, Okay, So yeah, I got you. Okay, okay,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: because I really love that, you know, he says, Travis
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: is a conspiracy theorist. He's out, you know, he's out
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: in the woods. He's growing weed. Total tangent here. He
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: has the worst weed growing operation I've ever seen. He's
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: got growing plants in a tent, he's got curing plants
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: in a tent, and then he's just got fully cured
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: bud as well. You don't fucking cure weed out in
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: the sun. You cured in a dark fucking room. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: his weed operation just pissed me off. Anyways, So the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: United States government, he explains, has maintained this treaty with
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: extraterrestrial since Roswell. I love this.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: It kind of reframes the situation. This is not first contact,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: this is not an invasion. This is diplomacy gone wrong.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: And these people do not realize this because they're not
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: attacking randomly. They're responding to April, who shoots that alien
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and I think kills it because they go back and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: it's not in the pool anymore. So maybe it didn't
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: get fully killed, but they wound.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Out because it's yeah, because it the uh the alien
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that kills the cops is the alien that got shot.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so they're they're the aliens are responding
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: to uh, you know, like a violation as April has
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: wounded one of them, so that, you know, the treaty
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: quote unquote has been broken. Now they're cleaning up the mess.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I think it's a fun twist because it makes humanity
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: feel smaller and less important. We're not dealing with this
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: grand war. We are dealing with actions and consequences, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that. You know, it brings something from
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the real world into this movie, so it's not necessarily
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: anything new, but I find it a fun point to
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: bring in the movie because it gives reason for these
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: aliens to actually attack rather than just abduct. So that
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: for me worked on a plot level. And uh, so
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: you're okay with with this part of the movie. It's
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: just the the Overex over explanation of the craft and
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. Yes, okay, yes, perfect, I love it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because because the the the actions and consequences is
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: exactly what makes a movie like exists. Yeah, like Bigfoot
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: would not be fucking with you if you hadn't have
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: run its child over that. If you don't shot, if
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you don't shot gun the alien, they're not gonna come
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: after you.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Big, hooky, spooky, lanky, gray alien. I'm gonna shoot it too.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: That's why I was confused because it says Canadian, but
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: there's like a lot of American imagery. Are they pretending
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: they're in America?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Also not a Canadian. It's an insight,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, not at all, not at all.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Because because Travis clearly says I'm an American, nobody's trespassing
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: on my land without a fight. So it's like, are
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: we like border like between Canada and America, Like we
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: somewhere are like northern Oregon.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where they're supposed to be,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: but it does feel. It definitely feels like they're suppose
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: especially with Travis, because he was in Vietnam from sixty
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: seven to seventy one, He's that gun totin American, So
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like this has got to be set somewhere,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: but they don't explicitly say where. So going back to
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: the thing I mentioned a little bit earlier about some
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: of the homage homages to me, I don't know if
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: people think that this movie's trying to rip off other
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: alien movies, but I did get Exists right away when
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the you don't fuck with them, they don't fuck with you.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, it Exists came out in the same year,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, so I don't think anybody was ripping each
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: other off. But in the opening scene, if you noticed,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the victim had a last name of McPherson. This is
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: not an accident. This is a direct nod to the
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: McPherson tapes, which is one of the most criminally underrated
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: alien found footage movie has ever made. The abduction imagery
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to me, like I mentioned earlier, really vibes like Fire
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: in the Sky, the white beam, the levitation, the sense
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: of dread, and even the interior parts of this ship
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: feel kind of inspired by that alien abduction scene in
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Fire in the Sky. The aliens themselves kind of evoke
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Communion from nineteen eighty nine not identically but spiritually similar.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And the red lights that are bleeding through the cabin walls,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: it's almost impossible not to think of close encounters of
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the third kind when that orange light is beaming through
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: one of the main characters kitchens. So I don't feel
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: like it's trying to hide its inspirations. I don't feel
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: like it's being derivative. I feel like it's just trying
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to celebrate alien movies. But I can see how people
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: are like, well, this just feels like a rip off
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: this and this. To me, I feel like they were
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: really just trying to do homage. But that's just my
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: own personal opinion.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And see, I guess I'm sort of in the camp
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: of you can do homages to one or two things,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: but when you start, like when you start having a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: hand handful of them, or it's like you're picking them
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: out of a bowl and just putting them on the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: storyboard and being like, Yo, we're gonna use these inspirations
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and build something around that. That's when it's like, all right,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: but what are you doing?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's just my because I've been I've literally
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: watched all of these movies recently. I don't know if
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: anybody else feels the same way in terms of the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: imagery and homage, it's just what I picked up on
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: and what I related it to. It's it's entirely possible
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: that you know, some of these are not homage is
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: outside of McPherson. That's that's very clear. It's it's it's
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: it's not subtle. So I do. I do like a
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: lot of it. And unfortunately, this is where we do
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: have to talk about Seth now, because we cannot talk
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: about existence mashing up words extraterrestrial without talking about Seth.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: He is the human equivalent of a headache. I have
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: never wanted anybody to be abducted by aliens faster. He
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: is fucking exhausting, not just because he is a bad person,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: but he's constantly and this goes, this circles back to
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: the dialogue. He is constantly saying things that the audience
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: already knows, like he doesn't understand English or have eyeballs
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: because he's like, that's not an airplane. Really, the giant
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: glowing saucer didn't make that obvious. Did I just hear
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: a gunshot? Yes, Seth, you were literally in the next
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: room and a cabin in the middle of the fucking woods.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: The audience heard it, the character's heard it, the fucking
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: neighbors probably heard it. And then he's like, dude, that's
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: a dead alien. Thanks, Detective. Case closed. Like his dialogue
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: was just repeating everything that he was seeing or clarifying things,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: and it drove me insane because he's not He's not
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the only one that's guilty of this, because the movie
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: really struggles with exposition. Multiple characters have this habit of
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: describing events that we all just saw. So it's like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: did they have a problem with the script? Like it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: not a deal breaker to me, but it makes the
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: moments where the script feels less confident than its visuals.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: You don't have to say what you just saw. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: saw it with my own Like I have eyeballs, I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: watching the movie, so I think you don't have.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You also don't have to say what you feel. We
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: get a whole scene, right, We get a whole scene
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of April and what's your face walking through the woods
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with Rusty and she's like, you know, I don't I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to be that person that just marries her
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: high school sweetheart and blah blah blah, and then you
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: get the proposal scene like four minutes later, and we
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: get that whole same explanation again, and I'm like, I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: get it. Okay, So you had a conversation with one person,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and you know now you have to have that similar
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: conversation with another person. But we, as an audience member,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: don't need to watch that conversation twice.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: We don't. And that's one of the other biggest issues
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I have with this movie is that April and Kyle,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: their relationship is like on life support because they their
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: relationship was doomed before the Aliens arrived. You mentioned, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Kyle proposes, but April rejects them, and you know what,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: good for her, not even good for her, good for
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: them because they don't even seem to understand each other.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: She doesn't believe. Also, what sorry, no, no, you're good. You're good.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: You're good.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You're good from a man's perspective. Kyle, not my Kyle,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: but Kyle of this movie. How fucking tone deaf are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you that your partner has invited you to come along
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and take photos of her childhood home that has been
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: lost to divorce, that she that they are now selling.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: How toned of are you to invite all of your
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: friends to propose to that person, like, that is not
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the time and not the place. Let's take your happiest
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: memory and intertwine it forever with your one of your
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: potentially worst memories.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Ever.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: That is psychopathic behavior.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and nothing makes me cringe more in movies or
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: social media when a man goes to propose only to
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: be rejected, Like how far removed from you are that
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: relationship where you don't even know that you're on the
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: same page with your partner. That and to do it
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: like you just described is fucking wild. And not only
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: did he bring his so he brought his friends, you know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: to kind of make the weekend fun, but obviously told
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: them that he was proposing. Because she walks out of
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: the room and everyone's like congratulation. Oh he said no,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: fuck yeah. Terrible tone deaf move there. That was literally
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: one of the worst moments of the movie because yeah,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: so gum, because yeah, they barely seem to understand each other, right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: she doesn't believe in marriage. He didn't apparently know that,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: because that comes out when they're on the porch and
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: then the ship crashes. She also accepted a job in
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: New York. He didn't know that either, So there's this
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: massive disconnect between them, like, when were you gonna say
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: you are moving? I don't even know if I can
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: go with you. Do you want me to come with you? Oh? God,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think you want me to go with you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: So this has been going on long before the UFO
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: showed up, and that makes the ending feel so bizarre
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: because Kyle gets taken and suddenly April is like begging
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: to go with him. Why five minutes ago the relationship
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: was hanging together with duct tape and wishful thinking and
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: now you're like, oh, come back and get me. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: the only speculation I have on that is that she
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: feels terrible because she asked, Kyle, are you sure you
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: want to come with me? You really don't have to,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: and he said no, I want to be there obviously
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: to propose, but maybe she felt bad that the only
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: reason he got taken is because she brought him out there.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: So she wants to gulp onto the ship. But what
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the fuck is the plan there, dude? Like, what's the
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: plan with getting abducted here?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: The whole reason that she has that flip flop is
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that stupid ass hero scene where he gets him into
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the basement and then looks at the door, looks at
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the door about to be open, and then goes and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: pushes the bookcase and goes, I'm full of surprise life like.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: She's like, you'll die, and he's like, I'm full of surprises,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and then rushes out after the alien. So he sacrifices
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: himself so she can leave. And it's the it is.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And this is what made me fucking gag at this
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: because I knew. I knew they were saying, if you
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: truly love someone, you'll set them free. Fucking get out
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: of here with that bullshit, but that's what they were saying.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It was. It was like, oh, let's write a trite sacrifice,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: okay for what we are going to call character development,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: but it's actually just lazy writing.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: It is lazy writing because then in the end, I
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: do want to talk about like the end end, because
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: it's very weird. You know, she takes the race, she
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: finds the ring, takes a ring out of her pocket
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and puts it on. I'm like, you literally just went
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: on a thing about how you don't believe in marriage.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Why are you even putting the ring on? I know
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: you guys are both about to dieal what the fuck
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: is the point of this? You're contradicting yourself. So it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: very strange. It's a very very strange ending sequence because
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it definitely goes on for way too long. I love
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: the interior of the ship because it's it's a risky move.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Sometimes mystery is better looking at you close encounters because
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: there is a cut where they include, uh, interiors of
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: the ship and it's not great. That's why Steven Spielberg
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: came out with a different cut because he did not
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: like that cut. And this one lands somewhere in the
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: middle for me because the containment areas are The containment
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: areas are cool, the scale is cool. The visual of
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: the UFOs like going into these pods. It it vibed
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: way too much like the matrix. When she had that
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: shot of looking out. Yeah, it was like.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I said, out loud, this is a weird matrix seque.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: It's a weird Yeah, it's a weird matrix like Universe.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: But I did love the idea of all these UFOs
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: going into all of these poor and putting all these
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: people in places and blah blah blah. But uh, you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I did like the aspects of the tunnels and stuff.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: But then things get weird with the with the matrix comparisons,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: and then Seth gets subject to bizarre biomechanical experimentation which
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: also rips off the matrix with a that like bionic
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: bug entering his belly button. I'm like, I'm like, what
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: are we just ripping off the matrix at this point?
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And then we get we actually get a probing scene
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: that was so violent. I did not need to see
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: a spinning fucking buzz saw go into this man's asshole.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: It just felt forced pun intended, like, we didn't we
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: didn't need to see that. Typically you don't really see the.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Pro and so, so what that's actually a reference to?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: That's not a probe? Oh so. One of the things
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that go along with like alien flaps and whatnot are
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: cattle mutilations. And one and one of the things that
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: people will describe with cattle mutilations is that it looks
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: like the organs have been taken out of the cow
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: via the ass like it's like they it's like they
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: drilled the asshole out and took out all of its organs. Oh,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't. It was there were no other cuts
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: on the body, but somehow the cow has no more
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: organs and its asshole is missing, so that that was
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and but see they didn't say anything about it, right,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: so me knowing that information, I was like, fuck, yeah,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that's a deep cut right there. I like that shit.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so then that's fair. But yeah, it's
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: a very visceral, bloody scene. And good for him because
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: he was the worst part of this movie. And when
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: he gets abducted as well, he loses his arm because
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: he handcuffs himself to a tree like a fucking moron,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: which that was the worst decision of the movie, next
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to Lex getting out and being tractor beamed up. But yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: so the ending of the movie very strange. And then
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you have Alex or April and Kyle. They
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: you know, she finds Kyle somehow the aliens three aliens
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: pop up and they put up their hand to do
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: the mind control, which I'm gonna get into before we end,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: and then they appear back down on Earth and I thought, oh,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: maybe this is just they're they're putting this image in
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: their head like you're safe now. But then of course
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: they run to the edge of the forest. They find
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: all of these guys in biohazard suits and stuff like that,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: and I was like, these people are about to get
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: fucking shot. Called it so they get they get shot.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: This is when she puts on the ring and it's just, oh,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: this is cute, heartfelt moment, like ah, I love you,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: I accept your marriage even though I didn't believe in it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: And then they get thrown into a pit and lit
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: on fire. So I love the alien conspiracy cover up
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: at the end. But the thing that really irritated me
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: is there's this guy in black smoke and a cigarette
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: and the camera hands around to him and I'm like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: am I supposed to know this guy? It's a reference
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: to Twilight Zone X Files, the smoking Man from the
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: twilet Zone of the X File. It's a reference to
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the file the X Files. Yeah, okay, I thought I
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: thought I was gonna wrap around and be like, oh,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: it's this guy. I'm like, who the fuck am I
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: looking at here? What is this supposed to be?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's another like super nerd cut. Yeah you
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: really have that. Yeah I knew that because I like
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the X Files. But that's that's a me.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Thing, and and I just started getting into them, so
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll see I'll see him at some point.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the ending was very strange, but at the
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: same time, I also love the line of dialogue is like, wait,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: what's the report? Blah blah blah. It's like, we're gonna
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: do what we always do. We clean up, so they
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: kill everybody that's been involved in this, uh, you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: treat break of the treaty, and get rid of everyone
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: so there's no evidence of it. I really liked that
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: part of the ending. But last thing before we end
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: here is the mind control aspect of this movie, because
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: it is the most undeveloped, underdeveloped concept in the whole story.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: The sheriff the deputy in the squad car. Suddenly the
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: alien seemed capable of direct mental control because the sheriff
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: murders his partner, then kills himself. But then they just
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: leave Seth in the back seat. The movie never revisits
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: this outside of them putting their hand up to Kyle
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: and April and putting them back down to Earth. Never
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: explain why this matters. It's an interesting idea, but it
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: feels so disconnected from the rest of the movie. I
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: don't understand why it was used one time. Why haven't
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: they been using this throughout the entire movie anytime they've
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: ever seen anybody, Like with the scene with Travis when
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: he's in the Greenhouse, the motherfucker could have just put
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: his hand up a mess shot him, Like what happened there?
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I don't I'm not understanding that part at all.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I So my only thought could be it has to
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: be in like proximity to the ship itself, Like you
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: gotta be within a certain distance of the ship.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'll take it. But it's just speculation, right,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, like we don't.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Know see and like I so closing thoughts for me,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I wish there, I wish there would have been way
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: more of the movie on the ship. So like hear
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: me out on this, rewrite the movie, same exact plot points,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: but we start out with them on the ship and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it's mind control shit in their own mind that we
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: see playing out.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Through the siege of the house, okay.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And them getting out of the house is them breaking
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the mind control, and the people that don't get out
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: of the house or the area are the people that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: got mind controlled and got shot. Same exact movie. Switch
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: it around a little bit way better.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Like they they arrived to the house and then all
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: the abduction shit happens, and then the movie still plays out,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: but they're already on the ship. They're just being mind.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: There's being mind controlled the entire time. Yeah, that would
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: give a little bit of an edge, I think. So
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: closing thoughts for me here, Extraterrestrial is not perfect. Seth
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: is gonna test your patients. Elements of the story needed
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: more development, and the third act I feel gets a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: little too ambitious for its own good. But I think
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: it does deliver with fantastic UFO imagery, strong abduction sequences,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: some fun mythology, great homages in my opinion, and it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: feels like it has a appreciation for classic alien horror.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily one of the most underrated
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: alien films of the twenty tens, but I do feel
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: it's one of the most not talked about at all,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: so I don't know.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: But underviewed but accurately rated.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, there you go. I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I think this movie deserves more attention for the good
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: it has, but at the same time, it does struggle
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: in so many eras, so that is extraterrestrial from twenty fourteen.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to the final cut here taglines There's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: one and I love it. They do not come in piece, easy, pasy,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: breezy trivia, not much. It is a low budget movie.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: But in the scene where April is sneaking with speaking
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: with her father during a skype call on her desktop
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: is a pirated copy of Grave Ncounters twenty eleven, the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Vicious Brothers first movie, and the Vicious Brothers being the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: makers of this film. That was fun. Michael Ironside came
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: up with the idea for his character to wear a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: goofy shirt and that's hilarious because I said, what the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: fuck is this guy doing? And a duct T shirt.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Jessica said that she very specifically wanted that shirt in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Michael Ironside's size because it would be a fantastic, in
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: her words, sleep slash smoke shirt.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's fair. I love it. Sean twenty one days,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: which is pretty impressive. The original title was actually called
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: The Visitors, and I think I like that more. Honestly,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I like the Visitors and then the scarecrow at the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: farm because this is hilarious because I was like, is
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: that Nixon? Yeah, where the girls are searching for their dog,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: the scarecrow is wearing a mask of Richard Nixon. I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: don't know why they had to say ex president and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: see I thought it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Was Dick Cheney.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so that's fun. Goofs here a couple things.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: April loads the shotgun and then snaps the barrel into
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: place on the stock. There has then the sound of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: a round being chambered into the firearm, but that would
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: not happen slid.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she made the slide lock like you would have
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: for a rifle.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: That was like, I'm not big on guns, but I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: know that's not right.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: That is not right at all, because once you snap
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: the barrels into place, shotgun is ready to be fired.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Although fallen tree is shown being down and blocking the road,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: it's very clear from a wide shot that the suv
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: the characters were in could easily driven around the stump
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: and back onto the road beyond the blockage. And then
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: this is for someone in the mortgage business. This is accurate.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: When April is talking to her dad via the video chat,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: they discussed taking photos for the realtor because the realtor
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: charges or the you know, the photos are too much. Realtors,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: you don't get you don't get charges for photos of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: taking a property when you list it. The realtor just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: charges a percentage and they pay their their own guy,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: their their own person. That's the petty, petty goof. But
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: but it's like legitimate. Rated five point h out of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: ten on IMDb for our purposes of the Nightmare Index.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: It is a two point five out of five on Letterbox.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: It is also a two point five out of five,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: twenty eight percent on the Tomato Meter, and a twenty
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: six percent audience score. I genuinely don't know how to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: rate this movie, So what do you got for rating?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I gave it a two point five because the aliens
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and the violence and the actual extraterrestrial nature of it
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: all was great. I really enjoyed those parts. But every
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: part involving a human, especially that fucking sheriff that wanted
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to be Rick Grimes so hard, like Jessica kept going,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: he needs a hat.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Hat.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Every character involving a human was the weakest part of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: this movie. But the ending they like.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: They stuck the landing so hard because it was one
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: of those nobody wins, Like the aliens don't win because
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: they have to fuck off and get out of there.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: The humans don't win because they have to clean up
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: dead bodies and that's the fucking process. So it's it's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: one of those. It's not bleak, but nobody wins. The
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: bad guy doesn't win, the good guy doesn't win. It's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: just a moot point. And I like those type of movies. Okay,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: So that's it. That's it could like clean.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: Up the dialogue just to Scooch three point zero, don't
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: kill the dog three point zero, right, but you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: you do just enough things wrong and you get a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: two point five.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, okay, So I'm gonna give this a three then,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: because I gave Contamination a two point five, and I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: definitely feel this is a little bit stronger than that movie.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: So that gives us a Nightmare index of two point
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: six three. So that means this is the second bottom film,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Contamination being the lowest at a two point four to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: four out of five, this coming in at a two
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: point sixty three, and then the Nesting right above it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: at a two point six seven. So there you go.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Similar movies according to IMDb, It Stains the Sands Red,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Alien Abduction, Indigenous Preservation, and Der Samurai. Okay, similar movies.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: According to Letterbox, we have Dream Catcher, AVP, Requiem, No
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: One will Save You, total recall and altered. Let's do
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: some funny reviews and get the fuck out of here.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: How many do you have?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I have six? Two of them I am going to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: list jointly. One of them is Eric Cloud and one
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: of them is just long as fuck. But I have
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: to read the whole thing so you get the intensity
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of which this person is writing.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I love it, I love it, I love it. I
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: love it. All right, So why don't you go first?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: And I'll I guess because I still got an organize mine,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: So hit me with your first one.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: So a half star, no heart from idetic puke of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: shots puked together in a pu.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: We've got five stars from just a monkey covering his speak,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: no evil monkey, A guy got ano probe to death?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: What is not five stars about this? So many other things? Buddy?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: All right? What you got next?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: A half star from Foxy Films? This is the long one, okay,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: from the guys who brought dog shit and Dogshit too,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: The Search for moral lobotomy. We bring you Alien dog Shit.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Don't miss the epic tale of absolute painful mediocrity. If
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you thought the main characters from the other two movies
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: were obnoxiously annoying, you won't be left down as they
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: keep the trend going of having an unlikable main gang, Aliens,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: constant tint change, absolute horrendous line delivery, and probably the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: funniest ending to ever fucking exist. It's Alien dog Shit.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: That is a ten out of ten review right there.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: I've got a couple more here, three stars from Brad Hansen.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Can there honestly be that much vital information up our butttholes?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I agree? What's going on up there? All? Right? Next?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: A five star and a heart from or No A
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: five star no heart from Prismo. Who else get an
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: anal probe to death?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: I think that might have been the first anal probing
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: to death in film this. I included this one because
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense, and I have questions. Two
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: and a half stars, no heart from Jasmine. When I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: say I want an alien movie, this is exactly what
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I mean. Jordan Peel, take note. You gave it a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: two and a half with no heart. What the fuck
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: did you give nope? Like what?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: And Jordan Peele did take note and then made nope
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and it was one of the best alien movies of all.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Time of all time? Agree, all right? You got an
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Eric Cloud Special?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Not yet?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Cloud Special is the final one?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: All right? All right?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: So these are the two that I am going to
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: mix together because I'm going to read them one after
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: the other. Gota, this person has no name. It's an emoji,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: but it's the speak No Evil little monkey emoji.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Oh that's the one I just read. No are you not? Okay? Yes?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Go ahead?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. So A five Star and a Heart watched February ninth,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. It was a very bad movie, but
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I liked it. Seth deserved to get anal probe to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: death follow following the same guy. Five Star and a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Heart rewatched March fifth, twenty twenty two, so literally like
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: a month later. This movie fucking sucks five stars and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: then he's got like fourteen wounded heart emoji.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: That's so weird. How the hell did we both have
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: a user that was a speak No Evil monkey? That's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: so weird?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Is his profile like some slightly muscleman with text under it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Let me, let me see, because that is if they're
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: different people, that is fucking wild. All right, monkey man,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: where'd you go? Where'd you go? Monkey man? A muscleman? Yeah?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Door behind him? What the fun?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: How many times does he watched this moment? What the fuck?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: He has watched it three different times and reviewed three
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: that's amazing, all right, all right, I love it, all right.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: My last one, uh one and a half star is
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: from Silent Luminary. I was severely disappointed when the guy
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: in the mask turned out to be Michael Ironside and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: not Danny DeVito.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Why what? And then a three star and a heart
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: from or three and a half star and a heart
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: from Eric Kloud. All right, much better, much better than expected.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Has a unique and well balanced, mean spirited sense of
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: humor without being a comedy.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so he so two point five from you,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: three for me, three point five for Merrik Cloud. We're
• 1:12:14
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