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Top Twenty Cases in New York State · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett, and the title
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  Speaker 1: of today's episode is The Top 20 UFO Cases of
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  Speaker 1: New York. I've written a number of books about various states,
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  Speaker 1: and New York is one of them. And I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell you, I think it's one of the most
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  Speaker 1: influential in terms of how we view the UFO phenomena.
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  Speaker 1: There's an enormous number of cases coming out of this state,
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  Speaker 1: of course involving the entire gamut of the UFO phenomena, sightings, landings,
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  Speaker 1: onboard experiences, face-to-face encounters, UFO crashes, UFO photographs and films
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  Speaker 1: being taken, conspiracies, the whole deal. So I had a
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  Speaker 1: real tough time picking the top 20, and I had
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  Speaker 1: to leave out some that I really wanted to include,
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  Speaker 1: but I've come up with a list of what I
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  Speaker 1: think are the top 20 encounters in New York State.
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  Speaker 1: These are the ones that are perhaps the most well-known,
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  Speaker 1: the most influential, important, unique, credible, these types of encounters.
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  Speaker 1: Some I think you will know of. Some I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you've never heard before. I think people will be surprised
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  Speaker 1: at what the top cases are. But let's just get
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  Speaker 1: started because there's a lot of cases to cover. The
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  Speaker 1: case I chose for number 20 is the UFO display
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  Speaker 1: over Glen Falls. This occurred on the evening of August 19-20,
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  Speaker 1: of 1974, and really it covered a much more widespread
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  Speaker 1: area than just Glen Falls and included various communities such
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  Speaker 1: as Ludinville, Saratoga, Warren, and Washington as well. All of
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  Speaker 1: these cities started receiving floods of calls into their local
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  Speaker 1: police stations, but it was really apparently Glen Falls where
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  Speaker 1: most of the activity was centered. People were viewing these
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  Speaker 1: blimp-shaped objects, large glowing blimp-shaped objects darting around, hovering, moving
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  Speaker 1: at right angles. Many of these were covered with colored lights,
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  Speaker 1: and it was attracting large groups of people to watch this.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, by midnight, more than 100 people were lining
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  Speaker 1: Dix Avenue in Glen Falls to watch this UFO display.
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  Speaker 1: Police officers arrived, radio stations. Many of these people watched
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  Speaker 1: one of these objects swoop down and actually hover very
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  Speaker 1: low over Saratoga Lake and start scooping water out of it.
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  Speaker 1: And it sped away at high speeds. An hour later,
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  Speaker 1: by 1 a.m., there was more than 400 people along
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  Speaker 1: Dix Avenue. Traffic by now is completely blocked. Uh, People
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  Speaker 1: were seeing UFOs all over the area. There was a
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  Speaker 1: pilot flying over this area and he reported his sighting
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  Speaker 1: to Albany County Airport and they said that they had
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  Speaker 1: it on a radar and they were tracking it at 3,000
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  Speaker 1: miles per hour. Witnesses called Plattsburgh Air Force Base who
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  Speaker 1: denied having any information about the sightings. They had no
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  Speaker 1: explanation to explain them And they also said that they
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  Speaker 1: were seeing nothing from their location at Plattsburgh. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a very, very amazing sighting. Really a huge sort of
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  Speaker 1: mini wave witnessed by many hundreds of people. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I think it's important. It's also got a weird
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  Speaker 1: little twist at the end. The day before this whole incident,
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  Speaker 1: one of the residents of Glen Falls, Joanne Warren... was
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  Speaker 1: in her home when a UFO appeared outside her home.
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  Speaker 1: Her whole family saw it, including her young 12-year-old son, Larry,
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  Speaker 1: and also her daughter saw it, and all three were
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  Speaker 1: watching this object when suddenly they all just passed out.
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  Speaker 1: They became unconscious, woke up the next morning, and didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what to make of it, but then heard on
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  Speaker 1: the radio that evening about the sightings going on at
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  Speaker 1: Glen Falls. so they heard about him on the radio,
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  Speaker 1: ran outside, and saw all these objects darting overhead. As
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  Speaker 1: Joanne Warren says, we saw them, the neighbors saw them.
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  Speaker 1: You could go out right in front here where the
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  Speaker 1: parking lot is, and you could see all these things
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  Speaker 1: zooming all over the place and stopping, zooming here and there.
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  Speaker 1: It was not just me that saw it, or Larry,
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  Speaker 1: or my friend next door. Half the town saw it.
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  Speaker 1: So it was clearly some sort of display. Interestingly, Joanne
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  Speaker 1: Warren's son, Larry, would later become one of the prominent
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  Speaker 1: witnesses in the Rendlesham UFO incident in Bentwaters, England in 1981.
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  Speaker 1: So that could perhaps be related, but definitely an important case.
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  Speaker 1: The case I chose for number 19 is the Warren-Sigmund photographs.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very impressive case which took place on May 15, 1955.
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  Speaker 1: Warren Sigmund was a television technician. He was in the
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  Speaker 1: heart of New York City. He was with a very
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  Speaker 1: well-known person by the name of Janine Boulier, an officer
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  Speaker 1: for the French Office de Tourisme. And she suddenly shouted out,
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  Speaker 1: looked out the window and shouted out, Hey, quick, look
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  Speaker 1: at that! And Sigmund saw this object, this weird object,
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  Speaker 1: scooting across the sky. He had a camera handy, so
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  Speaker 1: he quickly grabbed it and snapped a series of photos,
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  Speaker 1: which clearly show this object moving around the heart of
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  Speaker 1: New York City. And I'll just quote Warren here, as
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  Speaker 1: he says, I had never seen anything like it in
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  Speaker 1: my life. It must have been tremendous in size. It
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  Speaker 1: looked like a full moon that suddenly appeared. It was eerie, frightening, fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I could feel myself
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  Speaker 1: getting tense all over, but I had to watch this thing,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was. The thing seemed to have an unknown power,
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  Speaker 1: giving off that glow and just hanging there in the sky.
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  Speaker 1: Then it turned a dull gray and swung lazily over
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  Speaker 1: the right and stopped again, just hovering. Then I noticed
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  Speaker 1: another strange thing. Even when it was resting in place,
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  Speaker 1: the outline was very blurred, indicating terrific movement. No one
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  Speaker 1: else was on the roof, and no one else seemed
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  Speaker 1: to see this thing. We were alone. But how could
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  Speaker 1: that be in a city of 8 million people? Then
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  Speaker 1: it moved again, this time to the left, to the
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  Speaker 1: original position. It was like a graceful ping-pong ball now.
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  Speaker 1: It made a high sweep and settled down at an
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  Speaker 1: angle of 45 degrees. This thing had no wings, tail, insignia,
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  Speaker 1: or markings of any kind. It left no trail, and
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  Speaker 1: it made no sound. It didn't seem to know what
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  Speaker 1: gravity was. If it did, it certainly wasn't respecting it.
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  Speaker 1: Then as suddenly as it had appeared, it made a
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  Speaker 1: slight turn and vanished. It moved like it had intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: This was not mass hysteria or individual hysteria. It was
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  Speaker 1: not an illusion or a mirage or a light inversion.
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  Speaker 1: I believe the pictures prove that. Clearly an impressive case,
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  Speaker 1: as you can tell by these photos. And there are
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  Speaker 1: many other excellent photographic cases in New York. One case
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  Speaker 1: that I really want to just briefly mention occurred in
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  Speaker 1: June of 1963, again in the heart of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: A man by the name of Milton B. saw this
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  Speaker 1: object scooting across the sky and managed to photograph it
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  Speaker 1: as it hovered directly over the United Nations building. The
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  Speaker 1: object kept moving and he snapped another photograph as this
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  Speaker 1: same object hovered over or hovered next to the Empire
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  Speaker 1: State Building. So an excellent case. These photographs were vetted
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  Speaker 1: by Wendell Stevens, a UFO researcher who specialized at one
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  Speaker 1: point in UFO photographs. Another case involving photographs occurred on
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  Speaker 1: April 12, 1993. This occurred again in New York City
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  Speaker 1: overlooking the Hudson and East River. And this landscape artist
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  Speaker 1: was taking photos of New York landmarks when he saw
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  Speaker 1: the river bubbling and turned towards it and saw this
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  Speaker 1: silvery object rise up out of the river and dart
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  Speaker 1: away very quickly. He snapped a series of five photographs.
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  Speaker 1: Two showed nothing. Two showed the object, but only as
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  Speaker 1: a small dot and a blur. but one very clearly
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  Speaker 1: shows this object rising right up out of the river.
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  Speaker 1: It's an impressive photographic case, and this again comes from
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  Speaker 1: Wendell Stevens in the UFO Photo Archives. A third excellent
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  Speaker 1: photographic case took place in December 1959. The main witness
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  Speaker 1: is Dwayne F. Rary. He was outside his home when
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  Speaker 1: he saw a strange object and managed to snap a
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  Speaker 1: quick picture of it He described it as a glowing
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  Speaker 1: Saturn-shaped object hovering at very low altitude over the house
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  Speaker 1: across the street. He felt like it almost posed for him,
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  Speaker 1: and it clearly shows a solid glowing object with a
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  Speaker 1: strange ring around its circumference. I like these older photographic
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  Speaker 1: cases because I think there's... less chance of them being manipulated.
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  Speaker 1: Now we move to case number 18. UFO causes plane crash.
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  Speaker 1: This is a controversial incident that occurred on July 1st,
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  Speaker 1: 1954 over Griffiths Air Force Base. It began when Officials
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  Speaker 1: at the base detected unknown objects on their radar scopes.
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  Speaker 1: They scrambled an F-94 Starfire jet after this object, and
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  Speaker 1: the pilot described a gleaming disk. He said it was
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  Speaker 1: huge and circular, and he tried radioing the object and
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  Speaker 1: asking it to identify itself. He did not get a response,
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  Speaker 1: other than suddenly his jet engine suddenly cut off, and
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  Speaker 1: the pilot felt a very strong wave of heat in
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  Speaker 1: the cockpit. He says it was like, quote, like a
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  Speaker 1: blast from a blowtorch, and the pilot ordered his radar
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  Speaker 1: man to bail out, which he did, and the pilot
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  Speaker 1: bailed out seconds later, and both men parachuted to safety. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: their plane crashed in the town of Walesville, New York,
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  Speaker 1: killing two adults and two children in their home and
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  Speaker 1: injuring five others. So this was obviously a very huge incident,
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  Speaker 1: and the press wanted to know what happened and interviewed
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  Speaker 1: the pilots, and the pilots said that they had encountered
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  Speaker 1: a UFO. They later retracted this in later interviews and
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  Speaker 1: said it was, quote, engine trouble. Major Donald Kehoe was
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  Speaker 1: a very active investigator at that time for the National
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  Speaker 1: Investigative Committee of Aerial Phenomena, NICAP, and he investigated the
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  Speaker 1: incident and learned that in the hours following the crash,
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  Speaker 1: a large silver UFO had been reported across several communities
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  Speaker 1: in the area. He tried to get information from the
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  Speaker 1: Air Force about and learned that the Air Force was
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  Speaker 1: afraid to scramble any other jets after this object for
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  Speaker 1: fear of being attacked, as this first plane apparently had been.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Randall investigated this case and tried to debunk it,
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  Speaker 1: pointing out a confusion in dates, and he learned that
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  Speaker 1: there was in fact a weather balloon known to be
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  Speaker 1: in this area. Most researchers, I think, in my humble opinion,
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  Speaker 1: think this is a real event. Certainly I do, considering
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  Speaker 1: that this object did apparently cause the jet's engines to
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  Speaker 1: fail and a blast of heat to occur, and so
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  Speaker 1: many people reported this object. In any event, it appears
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  Speaker 1: to be a very important case, and that's why I
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  Speaker 1: included it. And now we move to case number 17.
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  Speaker 1: For 17, I chose the UFO encounter of Jimi Hendrix.
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  Speaker 1: There have actually been a number of really famous celebrities
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  Speaker 1: in New York who have seen UFOs, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: musicians actually. Neil Sedaka saw a UFO over the Catskills
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  Speaker 1: in 1970s. Muhammad Ali reports that he was jogging through
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  Speaker 1: Central Park in 1974 when he saw several UFOs. He
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  Speaker 1: talked about them on the Tonight Show and said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: convinced UFOs are of tremendous importance to the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: In 1953, Mel Torme saw a UFO and said that
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  Speaker 1: it moved faster than his eyes could follow. It was
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  Speaker 1: darting around. In June of 1961, punk rocker Helen Wheels
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  Speaker 1: and her brother Peter Robbins saw a UFO and actually
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  Speaker 1: had missing time. Peter Robbins would later become a very
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  Speaker 1: well-known UFO researcher. So as you can see, there are
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  Speaker 1: many people famous people who have seen UFOs in New York,
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  Speaker 1: but what I want to talk about here is the
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  Speaker 1: sighting by Jimi Hendrix. It's a really interesting case. This
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  Speaker 1: occurred in 1965, during the winter of 1965 in upstate
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  Speaker 1: New York. Hendrix was driving with his bandmates, including Curtis Knight,
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  Speaker 1: when they became stuck in the snow. They got stuck
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  Speaker 1: in a huge snow drift and were in danger of
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  Speaker 1: freezing to death, when suddenly this UFO stopped down in
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  Speaker 1: the street in front of their car, just parked there,
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  Speaker 1: blocking the road. It was cone-shaped, according to Curtis Knight,
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  Speaker 1: and sort of looked like a space capsule. Jimi Hendrix,
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  Speaker 1: as far as I know, never talked about this, and
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  Speaker 1: Curtis Knight only revealed this after Jimi Hendrix passed away.
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  Speaker 1: It's an amazing case. According to Curtis Knight, this object
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  Speaker 1: was giving off heat. Somehow this figure appeared, a very
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  Speaker 1: tall figure, glowing, and approached the car. And I'll just
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  Speaker 1: let Curtis Knight describe what happened in his own words.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't believe our eyes. He stood eight feet tall.
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  Speaker 1: His skin was yellowish, and instead of eyes, the creature
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  Speaker 1: had slits. This forehead came to a point, and his
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  Speaker 1: head ran straight into his chest. leaving the impression that
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  Speaker 1: he had no neck. Jimmy seemed to be communicating telepathically
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  Speaker 1: with it. At this point, the interior of the van
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  Speaker 1: began to heat up. As Curtis Knight said, I was roasting.
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  Speaker 1: And then this figure, this tall figure, started to walk
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  Speaker 1: around the car, melting the snow. Again, as Curtis Knight says,
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  Speaker 1: As it glided behind our truck, I saw that the
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  Speaker 1: drift had completely vanished. Turning on the ignition key, I
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  Speaker 1: gunned the motor and I got the hell out of there.
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  Speaker 1: The object, the strange craft, was at the same time
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  Speaker 1: lifting off like a rocket from a launch pad. Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: never did talk much about what happened. He sort of
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  Speaker 1: let me know that the cool thing to do was
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  Speaker 1: not bring up the subject. It was to be our
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  Speaker 1: little secret. However, from what he said, I sort of
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  Speaker 1: suspect the object arrived to save our necks, chiefly because
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy had been practicing... trying to communicate by ESP with
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  Speaker 1: the beings on board. I know this may be hard
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  Speaker 1: to believe, but I'm putting it straight, just like it happened.
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  Speaker 1: So Jimmy said that he'd seen a UFO over at
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  Speaker 1: a concert once in Maui, and apparently, yeah, he was
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  Speaker 1: in contact, and some of his songs actually seem to
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  Speaker 1: reflect that. In fact, he wrote a song called called
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  Speaker 1: Up From the Skies, which is actually written in the
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  Speaker 1: point of view of an E.T. who has come back
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  Speaker 1: to visit Earth after a long absence. And the lyrics
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  Speaker 1: are really revealing. The song begins, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. I won't do you no harm. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to know about your different lives here on
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  Speaker 1: this people farm. The E.T. goes on to say that
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  Speaker 1: he's come back to find the stars misplaced and the
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  Speaker 1: smell of a world that has been burned. Or maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's just a change of climate. So this sort of
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  Speaker 1: echoes the themes of environmentalism that we see in many
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  Speaker 1: other cases. He had another song called Castles Made of Sand,
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  Speaker 1: which is about a young girl who was confined to
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  Speaker 1: a wheelchair and became suicidal and was about to end
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  Speaker 1: her life when she saw a winged ship pass over
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  Speaker 1: and at this point she was healed. So here we
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  Speaker 1: have the theme of healing being revealed, which is another
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  Speaker 1: thing that definitely shows up in UFO accounts. It's a
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  Speaker 1: really interesting case. Jimi Hendrix is an extremely influential musician,
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  Speaker 1: and I find it interesting that so many musicians have
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  Speaker 1: had contact with UFOs. And that's why I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: include that case. Now we move to case number 16.
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  Speaker 1: For case 16, I chose UFO sighting over Lake Tiarata.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really interesting photographic case, which has generated a
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  Speaker 1: lot of controversy, but I think is a legitimate case.
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  Speaker 1: This occurred on December 18th, 1966. A man by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Vincent Perna, a construction worker, was fishing at
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  Speaker 1: Lake Tiarate with his brother and friend. Suddenly, this disc
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  Speaker 1: showed up. It was copper-colored, sort of a dull finish,
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  Speaker 1: very large, disc-shaped. It emerged from a nearby ridge and
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  Speaker 1: hovered directly over the lake. It was totally silent and
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be about 18 feet in diameter. Vincent Perna
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  Speaker 1: had a plastic brownie star flash camera and he quickly
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  Speaker 1: snapped a number of photos, at least one, of which
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  Speaker 1: clearly shows this metallic disc overhead. He reported his sighting
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  Speaker 1: to the Park Patrol officers, and they forwarded his report
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  Speaker 1: to Stewart Air Force Base. Officials at Stewart Air Force
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  Speaker 1: Base were very interested, and the case was routed to
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  Speaker 1: Project Blue Book. Project Blue Book officers interviewed Vincent Perna
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  Speaker 1: and the other witnesses and reviewed the photograph. and they
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  Speaker 1: pronounced the case a hoax. J. Allen Hynek was part
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  Speaker 1: of Blue Book at the time and he was shocked
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  Speaker 1: at this conclusion. He was very angry. He disagreed with
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  Speaker 1: it vehemently. As he says, and I'm quoting... I find
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  Speaker 1: no substantiation for the evaluation of hoax, particularly in view
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  Speaker 1: of the photo analysis report. Mr. Beckman, a qualified photo analyst,
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  Speaker 1: disagrees with the photo analyst presented in this report as
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  Speaker 1: to the distance of the object. He points out that
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  Speaker 1: the depth of field extends much farther than indicated in
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  Speaker 1: the report. Consequently, no judgment can be made as to
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  Speaker 1: the real size of the object. My recommendation is therefore
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  Speaker 1: that the evaluation be changed from hoax to unidentified. But
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  Speaker 1: Blue Book refused to change their conclusion. They believed Perna,
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  Speaker 1: or they certainly accused Perna, of having a model of
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  Speaker 1: some sort and said that this was just a small
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  Speaker 1: object very close to the camera. The photo analyst and
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  Speaker 1: Hynek disagreed, believing it was a large object some distance away.
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  Speaker 1: from the camera. So this definitely caused quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: of controversy. Again, as Hynek says, and I'm quoting, Project
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  Speaker 1: Blue Book ignored my recommendation and maintained a file on
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  Speaker 1: the Bear Mountain photograph with the hoax label intact. Not
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  Speaker 1: really fair to either the scientific method or the character
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  Speaker 1: of the witness. But the case wasn't over yet. Reporters
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  Speaker 1: from the Rockland News got a hold of the story
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  Speaker 1: reporters called up Stuart Air Force Base and asked for confirmation,
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  Speaker 1: and people at Stuart Air Force Base told them that
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  Speaker 1: they believed the photos showed nothing more than, quote, a
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  Speaker 1: blob of developing fluid. So now they're changing their story.
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  Speaker 1: First they said it was a model. Now they're saying
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  Speaker 1: it's a blob of developing fluid. NICAP investigators arrived on
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  Speaker 1: the scene. They were very interested in the case. They
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  Speaker 1: interviewed Perna and actually asked him if he would go
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  Speaker 1: under sodium pentothal truth serum. He agreed, and again, there
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  Speaker 1: was no variation in his story at all. Researcher Frank
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  Speaker 1: Edwards was very impressed by the case as well. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll just quote Edwards here as he says, because of
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  Speaker 1: the apparent authenticity of the pictures... they could conceivably become
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  Speaker 1: among the most important civilian photos ever taken. So clearly
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  Speaker 1: an important and influential case. Now we move to case
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  Speaker 1: number 15. I chose Blue Book case number 8739, unidentified.
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  Speaker 1: It's only one of 16 cases that Blue Book declared
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  Speaker 1: unidentified in the state of New York. As you can see,
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  Speaker 1: they were very reluctant to do so. but sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't get out of it. This case occurred on
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  Speaker 1: April 11, 1964. The main witness is Warren B. Oshner.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He was a pilot in World War II and at
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that time was a physiotherapist. He was out picnicking with
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: his wife and kids in the area outside of Homer,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: New York. Suddenly they all looked up and saw this
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: black object leaving a weird contrail. This The contrail disappeared,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but the black object remained. It kind of took on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the shape of a banana and then faded out. Shortly later,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: another object appeared. This one was glowing and looked like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a cylinder. It was impossible to determine how large or
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: how high up it was because he didn't know its size,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but he estimated it was about the size of a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Navy submarine. That's what it looked like to him. He
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was looking at it through binoculars and he could see
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: flashes of light from one side of it. It was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: sort of darting across the sky, maintaining shape. And this
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is where it started to get really strange. This object
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: changed shape from a cylinder to a saucer shape. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: then appeared to become spherical. At this point, it divided
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: into two pieces. The top part darted away. and the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: bottom part remained. At this point, the bottom part split
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: into two pieces. One of them faded away, and the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: other sped off at high speeds. The whole experience lasted
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: about 45 minutes. According to the witness, he says, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'm quoting, I have observed a phenomena which is beyond
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: my comprehension and which taxes my sense of reasoning and credulity.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So a very impressive case, and while Blue Book was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: trying to debunk a lot of cases, this was one
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that they declared unidentified. For case number 14, I chose
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Civil Defense Employee Photographs UFO. This occurred on July 28, 1952,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: right around the time there had been UFOs seen over
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the nation's capital. I think that's one of the reasons
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: why this particular case incident generated so much interest. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: main witness is August Roberts. As I said, he's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: civil defense employee. He was on the roof of the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: 6th Precinct Police Station in New Jersey when he saw
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a UFO hovering over the other side of the Hudson River.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: He had two other people. They were all watching it
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: through binoculars. The object looked like a large ball of light,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: orange in color, with a dark brownish rim, and Roberts
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: had a camera with him, and he quickly snapped a photograph.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: As he says, whatever the object was, I'm sure it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: was not like any type of aircraft I have ever seen.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Since he was a civil defense employee, he reported his
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sighting to superiors and submitted the photograph. The military and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the FBI actually heard about this case and expressed extreme interest.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And for the next 72 hours, Roberts went through an
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: intense and somewhat abusive interrogation. And I'll just quote August
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Roberts here as to what happened. As he says, For
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a combined total of three days, my life was virtual hell.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: They just wouldn't let me alone. What did you see?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: How is it possible? What do you think it was?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: They never stopped questioning me. I was so worn out
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that I had to spend the rest of the week
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: resting up at my sister's home. I was questioned, badgered, threatened,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: laughed at, and insulted. In the end, they accepted my story.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I hope I never have to go through that again.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: As I said, I think this generated a lot of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: interest because officials were trying to figure out what was
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: hovering over the nation's capitals, and here they had a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: photograph of an object very nearby and very close to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the same time. That's why I wanted to include this case.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And now we move to case number 13. For case 13,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I chose a UFO repair case. This is an incident
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in which witnesses observe an apparently disabled UFO being repaired
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: by UFO occupants. This particular case was investigated by Ted
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Bloicher and Dr. Bertold Schwartz. They're both UFOs. very well-respected
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and well-known UFO researchers. This case also appeared in Dwight
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Connolly's book, World's Best UFO Cases. Dwight Connolly was the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: former editor of the MUFON UFO Journal. So yeah, very
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: good case. This took place in New Berlin, New York,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: just northwest of the Five Corners area. The main witness
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: is Marianne Hatzenbuehler, This occurred on November 25, 1964. On
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that evening, Marianne was in her home when she saw
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a shooting star drop from the sky, followed by a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: second one. She realized these were not shooting stars when
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the second object assumed a horizontal trajectory and started traveling
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: along the creek bed next to Highway 85, heading towards
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: her house. She ran outside and observed this thing as
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it came above the highway and started chasing cars away.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It actually followed one car down the highway for a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: short distance. Marianne called out her mother to observe this.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Her mother came running out and saw it as well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: screamed in fear, and went running back inside and begged
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Marianne to come back inside. Marianne refused. She wanted to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: see this thing. Marianne's dog was also too afraid to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: come outside. Meanwhile, this object moves away from the road
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and and lands on a hillside about 3,400 feet away,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just over a half mile. And these occupants start to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: get out, these men. And they were moving very urgently
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: around underneath this object and appeared to be carrying boxes
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of what looked like tools. She could see them very clearly.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Around this time, the second object reappeared, came swooping down,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and landed very close to the first one. So you've
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: got about five or ten figures here standing under this UFO,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: apparently trying to repair it. And I will just... Let
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Marianne describe what she saw in her own words. As
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Marianne says, they seemed to be dressed in something like
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a skin diver's wetsuit. It was a dark color and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: their hands were visible apart or out from the wrist
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of their suit. Their skin was lighter than the suit
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: they were wearing. They were built like men. The only
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: difference is they were slightly taller, between six and a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: half feet taller. They seemed to have hair. It seemed
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: well barbered. fairly close to their heads. They were considering
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: calling the police at this point, but decided not to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: because they realized that what they were looking at was
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: very unusual. They could see this was a UFO by
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the way it was flying, and they decided not to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: call the police because they did not want authorities to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: harass the UFO people. Instead, they just watched, and it
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was very cold outside, so at this point, Marianne went
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: back inside, grabbed her binoculars, and she and her mother
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: watched this object and these men from their window using binoculars.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And they watched as these guys moved very urgently, pulling
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: something out of the bottom of this craft and working
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on it with tools. They had a very difficult time, apparently.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: They were moving very quickly, kept trying to put this
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: box-like contraption back into the UFO. and couldn't do it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: On their third try, they finally did it, but by
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: this point, nearly two hours had passed. When they finally
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: got this thing put back together, they picked up all
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: their tools very quickly, moving very urgently, running, and all
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: climbed back into these two craft, which took off straight
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: up and zipped away at high speeds. So clearly a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: very impressive case. The next day, Marianne went up there,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to see if she could find any evidence and was
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: surprised to see definite landing traces. She saw two separate
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: depressions in the ground that were triangular shaped and more
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: than a foot deep. She also found weird strands of cable,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: about a foot or two long, some weird kind of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: paper towel-like cloth, as well as some foil strips. She
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: gathered some of this up, actually, and collected it and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: brought it back into her house and put it in
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a box. Unfortunately, sometime later when she went to retrieve it,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: she could no longer find it. So this evidence has
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: been lost. Still, this is a very impressive case. It
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: was researched by very prominent investigators, as I said, and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Dwight Connolly included it in his book, World's Best UFO Cases.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And he was the former editor of the Mufon Journal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: So he should know what he's talking about. And definitely
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a very interesting case. And I included it because it's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a UFO repair case. Humanoids, a landing, landing traces, multiple witnesses.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: It's got a lot going for it. And I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: deserved to be included on this list. And now we
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: move to case number 12. Case number 12 is the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Gary Wilcox encounter. I've discussed this case before, but this
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is a classic case and definitely deserves to be on
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: this list. It's fairly well known. This occurred on April 24th,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: 1964 in Tioga City in New York, obviously. The main
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: witness is dairy farmer Gary T. Wilcox. And he was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: out in his fields spreading fertilizer when he saw something strange.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: He at first thought it was a refrigerator or something
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that somebody had abandoned, but it was far too large
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for that. Then he felt perhaps it was an aircraft
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: engine that had been dropped from a plane. But as
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: he approached it, he could see it clearly wasn't. It
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: was some type of craft and there were two men
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: standing next to it. Each of them were wearing seamless
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: uniforms with hoods covering their faces, and each of them
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were carrying a tray of earth, apparently from his field,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and carrying it into their craft. The craft itself was
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: egg-shaped and about 20 feet long. So he approaches them
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and has a conversation with them. They apparently spoke English.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They told him they were from Mars. They actually gave
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: him a prediction that there would be fatality there, in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the astronaut program, which did turn out to be true.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And they also told him that they were interested in
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the fertilizer he was spreading in his field. Gary offered
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to give them a bag of fertilizer and went back
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to his barn to go get it. And when he
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: came out back to the location in the field, the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: craft and the men were gone. Nevertheless, he set down
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the fertilizer in the field and went back into his working,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and when he came back there the next day, the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: bag of fertilizer was gone, so presumably they took it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Despite these unusual elements, this case did get a lot
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of research from Jim and Cora Lorenzen, a lot of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: attention from other researchers, and no one could find any
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: evidence of hoax. As Gary's brother says, uh, If Gary
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: says this thing happened, it really happened. He has nothing
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to gain and a lot to lose by telling a
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: story like this. I know it is true. And Gary
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: himself spoke about this incident, and I'll just give you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a short quote from Gary Wilcox. I don't care whether
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: anyone believes me or not. It doesn't mean anything to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: me one way or the other. I told them, the police,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what I saw and heard. I thought I should. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: know what I saw. We talked for two hours, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: we were even joking at times. I just don't worry
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: about it. I've got nothing to hide, and if I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: saw another one today, I would report it. Yeah, a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: very well-known case, but it definitely deserved a place here.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: For case number 11, I chose the perfect UFO case.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: This is what Dr. James McDonald calls this case. Dr.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: James McDonald... was an atmospheric physicist and a pioneering UFO researcher.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And he calls this the perfect case for a number
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of reasons, as we'll find out, but primarily because there
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: were multiple independent witnesses in different locations, as well as
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: radar returns. So this case took place about 15 miles
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: east of Utica. On June 23, 1955, it began when
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the co-pilot of a Mohawk DC-3 airliner observed a strange object, oval-shaped,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: light gray in color, with a line around the perimeter
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and a row of windows emitting a bright green light.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: This object appeared about 500 feet above their plane, moving at, quote,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: great speed. Both the pilot and the co-pilot watched this
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: object move for about several miles until it moved out
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of view, and they estimate it was moving at about 4,500
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: miles per hour, much faster than anything we had. So
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: at the same time, nearby radar operators in Boston tracked
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this object on their radar scopes, and... There were other
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: crews in the area who saw this as well. There
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: were two other airliners who also observed this object and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: reported it over their radio. Air traffic controllers at Albany
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Airport were monitoring the radio transmissions and they were able
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to make visual contact. So now we have three separate
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: airliners seeing this object, one very close. We have air
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: traffic controllers at Albany Airport seeing this object. And we
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: have radar controllers in Boston actually tracking this thing on
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: their scopes. So this is an incredible case. It actually
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: made it to the Condon Committee. And they were very
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: skeptical of most cases and actually reached a negative conclusion
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: about UFOs. And yet there was this case which they
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: were never able to explain. Dr. Gordon Thayer, the radio
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: propagation specialist, was unable to explain this case at all.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And he tried and said it might have been perhaps
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: an anomalous propagation on the radar and just basically ignored
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the fact that there were so many other independent witnesses.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So Dr. James McDonald very much disagreed with Dr. Thayer's
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: report and I'll just quote Dr. McDonald here as he says,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: this is a most intriguing report that certainly must be
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: classed as an unknown pending further study which it certainly deserves.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Statements from some of the other witnesses would help in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: analyzing the event. It does appear that this sighting defies
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: explanation by conventional means. So for Dr. James McDonald, this
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: was the perfect case for three main reasons. One was
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that there were multiple independent witnesses from separate sources. Second
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: was that these witnesses were both in the air and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: on the ground, and third was that it had radar confirmation,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and that these were all trained observers, people very familiar
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: with aircraft. So he could find no fault in this
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: report and calls it absolutely the perfect case, and I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: have to agree with him. It's amazing, and that's why
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I included it here. And now we move to the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: top 10. For number 10, I chose the landing in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Cherry Creek. This is a classic case. I think it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: very well known among UFO investigators, certainly, and has an
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: enormous amount of physical evidence and generated a lot of
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: interest from the Air Force. This occurred on August 19, 1965,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: at the Butcher Farm in Cherry Creek. Harold Butcher, age 16,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was in the barn getting ready to do some farm
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: work when suddenly he heard this loud noise. The bowl
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: started acting up. The radio static. He looked outside and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: saw this 50-foot object. It was football-shaped. It was silver,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and it landed right in the field. It was making
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a loud beeping noise. It had a red vapor surrounding it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: At this point, the milking machine in the barn suddenly
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: malfunctioned as well. He grabbed the phone, which was in
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the barn, and called the house. Meanwhile, back in the house,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the radio that they were listening to suddenly went off
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: by itself. They pick up the phone, and it's 16-year-old
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Harold screaming for everyone to come outside. By this point,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the object was taking off. It made a loud bang
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and zipped away. Harold hung up the phone, and he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: saw this object in time to move off. Only one
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: other member of the family actually saw this. 14-year-old Robert
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: ran to the front door and saw this object taking off.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So they called the police. Meanwhile, their neighbor, her name
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: is Kathleen Bruham, she comes knocking on the door and says,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it's back, it's here again. So she and all the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: other Butcher family come running outside and they can see
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: this object hovering at about 700 feet overhead. It scoots
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: around for a short time and then moves off. By
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: this time, the police arrive, including officers E.J. Haas and P.M. Nelson.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: They can smell a strange ozone-like odor in the air.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: They're impressed by the witnesses. They decide to contact the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Air Force. So at this point, the Air Force sends
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: over people from Project Blue Book. Meanwhile, one of the witnesses, Harold,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: he finds a strange purple liquid where the object had landed,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: scoops it up and saves a sample of it. He
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: finds that the bull was so upset by the presence
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: of the object that it actually bent the iron bar
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that it was tethered to. So there was some pretty
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: interesting physical evidence right from the outset. Project Blue Book
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: officers arrived and started to investigate. Captain James M. Dorsey
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: from the 4621 Air Force Group interviewed the witnesses and said,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a hoax. These children saw something.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So Blue Book officers were unable to explain it and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: actually labeled it unidentified evidence. case number 9806. As you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: can see, one of a couple that have been declared
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: unidentified in Project Blue Book. Interestingly, researcher Dr. James McDonald
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was shocked by Blue Book's conclusion because they, again, were
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: usually very skeptical in trying to debunk cases. And I'll
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: just quote James McDonald here. I wonder why it happened
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to be tagged unidentified so quickly. Does this imply that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the credibility of all the observers, and especially the Sun Herald,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: were so high? Or was it the indentations, the singed brush,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and the purple liquid? Or did the bull sell this
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: one by bending the stake with his nose ring? J.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Allen Hynek was also surprised by Blue Book's conclusions because
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they declared it unexplained so quickly. As he says, There
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: was a strong impulse to regard this case as a hoax,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: but the evidence pointed in the opposite direction. In addition,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the witnesses concerned were from a rural family, and there
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: seemed to be nothing to be gained by fabricating such
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a story. As a consequence, Blue Book reluctantly carried this
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: case as unidentified. Apparently they were impressed because, according to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the investigators who looked into this case, Researchers from Wright-Patterson
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Air Force Base showed up. There was a whole team
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: from Wright-Patterson who examined the landing traces and found no
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: radiation using a Geiger counter, but did find high levels
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: of phosphorus. That's interesting because that's turned up in other cases.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: UFO researcher Robert Galganski looked into this case and found
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: found further confirmation of the event and that there was
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a cluster of sightings in the days following this incident.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Two days following the sighting at the Butcher Farm, New
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: York troopers Richard Ward and Mr. Purcell saw a UFO
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just one mile south of the Butcher's Farm. NICAP investigators
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: also found another witness who had seen UFOs a few
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: days earlier. A couple of days after the incident, the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Butcher families saw the UFO again. It appeared to be
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the same UFO. And the days followed, there were other incidents.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Their neighbor, Dick Nelson, reported that he kept hearing a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: strange beeping noise coming through his television and radio. And later,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: another group of witnesses said that they were actually chased
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: by this object in their car down the highway. A
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: very impressive case. No one has ever been able to
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: disprove it. And as you see, the Air Force was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: very interested in it, and that's why I included it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And now we move to number nine. For number nine,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I chose the UFO sighting by John Lennon. This is
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: a really influential sighting, I think very well known, but
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know the whole story. It
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: occurred on August 23, 1974. John Lennon was with his
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: new girlfriend, May Pang, in their 53rd Street penthouse in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the center of Manhattan, New York. Suddenly, May Pang, she
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: saw at first this classic disc-shaped object, very large, approached
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to within about just a few hundred feet of their penthouse.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: They both ran out into the balcony and observed this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: thing for about 15 minutes. And they said it was
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: about the size of a jet. And as May Pang says,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and I'll just quote her directly, As I walked out
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: onto the terrace, my eye caught this large circular object
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: coming towards us. It was shaped like a flattened cone,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and on top was a large, brilliant red light, not
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: pulsating as on any of the aircraft we'd seen heading
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: for landing at Newark Airport. When it came a little closer,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: we could make out a row or circle of white
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: lights that ran around the entire rim of the craft.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: These were also flashing on and off. There were so
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: many of these lights that it was dazzling to the mind.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: John Lennon didn't really give any interviews about this sighting,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: but he did once talk about it on the radio.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I'll just quote what he said here. As John Lennon says,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I was standing on the roof and I looked left
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and there was this thing 100 yards away. I could
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: have hit it with a stone if I had a chance.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: It had all these lights around the bottom of it,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: flashing on and off. He tried to take a picture
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of it with his camera, but the pictures didn't come out.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: They later learned that a bunch of people had called
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the police and also reported it on that day. so
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it was a pretty major sighting and Lennon did apparently
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: write about it in one of his songs Strange Days
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Indeed as he says there's UFOs over New York and
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I ain't too surprised nobody told me there'd be days
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: like these Strange days indeed. Most peculiar, Mama. So that's
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: where we thought the story ended for a number of years,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but it turned out there was a development. In his
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: excellent book, Alien Bedtime Stories, Grant Cameron reveals that John
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Lennon may have had direct contact. Psychic Uri Geller says
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that he spoke directly with John Lennon and that John
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Lennon revealed that One evening he was in his bedroom
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: when the room lit up and in walked these ant-like creatures,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: sort of these bug-like creatures. And these figures actually gave
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: him this metal artifact, a small metal egg. Uri Geller
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: has shown this artifact, but it hasn't been scientifically analyzed.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: At this point he has refused to let it be analyzed.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: So that's the case of John Lennon, which I included
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: because I think it's a very important case. It's very
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: interesting because it's another example of a musician being contacted
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: by UFOs. I think their tactic here, the UFOs, is
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: to contact people who are influential in society. So that's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: why I wanted to include this case. And now we
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: move to number eight. For number eight, I chose the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Ryan Neff near collision with a UFO. I think this
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is well known for... within the UFO field, but really
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it should be much more widely known than it is.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people know about it. It's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a very dramatic example of a UFO that nearly collided
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: with a jet, and this jet was actually taken over
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: by the military. Mind you, this is a commercial jet
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: filled with passengers. So how this all began was on
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: April 8th, 1956 over Schenectady, New York. There was Captain
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Raymond Ryan who was piloting the jet, and William Neth
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: was co-pilot, and there was a large group of passengers
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: as they flew over New York. This was Flight 775.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: They were flying at about 6,000 feet when suddenly this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: brilliant white object appeared in front of them on an
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: apparent collision course. They made an emergency turn, and to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: their shock, this object made a right-angle turn directly towards
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: them and zoomed by at, they estimate, at least 1,000
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: miles per hour and then disappeared or faded away. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: they were freaked out. Fearing another collision, Captain Ryan turned
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: on the landing lights. At this point, the object reappeared
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: again directly in front of them and was pacing their jet.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: They radioed Griffiths Air Force Base and reported the object.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: At this point, Griffiths Air Force Base confirmed that they
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: had visual contact and they were going to send two
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: jet fighters after this to vector it in. Stewardess Phyllis
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Reynolds came into the cockpit room. She saw it as well.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And at this point, something really bizarre happened. Griffiths Air
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Force Base called Pilot Ryan and ordered Flight 775 to
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: pursue the UFO. Ryan and Neff were surprised to find
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: that their passenger jet was now under military orders to
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: pursue this object, but they agreed and they deviated course
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: and began to chase after this object. They chased it
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: for about 20 minutes for about 150 miles until they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: reached the point where they were going to be out
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: of radio contact with Griffiths Air Force Base. And there
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: was still no sign of the jets that they had
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: promised to vector in towards this object. So finally, they
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: just disobeyed military orders and returned back onto their course.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: This became a very controversial case. It was investigated by
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Major Donald Kehoe. And Kehoe had a lot of problems
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: investigating this case, he said. He said he was stonewalled
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: at every corner and that the Air Force was completely uncooperative.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: He said they flat out lied about this case. And
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: there was more debunking of this case going on by
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the military. One debunker was Donald Menzel, who was now
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: an alleged member, suspected to be an alleged member of
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the MJ-12 organization as a debunker at the time. Donald
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Menzel was a pretty well-known astronomer who was skeptical of UFOs.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: And according to his report on this case, what the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: pilots saw was Venus. So that's clearly not a tenable explanation.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: This is a very controversial case that certainly deserves a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: lot more attention than it's gotten. And that's why I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: included it here. And now we move to case number seven.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: For Case 7, I chose The Terror Above Us. This
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: comes from a book by Malcolm Kent by the same name.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: This was published in 1967 right on the heels of
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the Betty and Barney Hill case and the UFO incident
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: by John G. Fuller. So this is a very early
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: reported abduction case and still has a lot of the
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: elements we see in other cases even up to today.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's a very important case
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and it's not well known. It occurred to two brothers
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: by the name of Jason and Robert. Those are pseudonyms.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: It began around the summer of 1958 when these brothers
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: both developed a crippling fear of driving at night. They
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: began having panic attacks. One of them just couldn't date anymore,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: and he was a very avid dater at the time.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: One time they were driving along the road when they
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: came upon a bank of fog that And both of
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: them had a crippling panic attack to the point where
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: they had to pull over. They couldn't drive. At this point,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: they knew something was wrong. They went to see a therapist.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And the therapist had a difficult time finding the origin
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: of their phobia. And he eventually traced it to an
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: incident that had happened while they were driving. They came
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: upon a fog bank. And this is when the whole
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: story started to spill out. Under hypnosis, they came upon
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a landed UFO in the field, or rather, right in
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the road in front of them. It was blocking the road.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Short men in dark uniforms showed up. Both men were
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: pulled from the car and moved into the object. Jason
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: found himself undressed, naked, strapped to a table, and being
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: physically examined. While Robert found himself in another situation. He
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: found himself in a windowless metal gray room with a
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: young attractive woman. And this woman told him that they
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: had been captured by ETs and the ETs wanted them
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: to be intimate with each other and that was the
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: only way they would get out. Robert was having a
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: very difficult time orienting himself. He could not figure out
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: where he was what had just happened, where he had
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: just been or where he was, and he didn't trust
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: this woman who was making intimate advances towards him. He
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: said she smelled bad, had a really strange odor, and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: he suspected actually that she was one of the ETs
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: in disguise. He blacked out, and when he woke up,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: he had been undressed, and he was lying next to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: this woman who was also undressed. So here we have
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that theme of reproduction, which we see in other cases.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And again, this is all covered under hypnosis. So moving
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: back to Jason, after he was physically examined, he blacked out.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And then he woke up and went through the same
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: experience that his brother had reported, where this woman tried
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: to make advances at him. which he accepted. He felt
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: like he had no choice. Next thing they know, both
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: brothers found themselves sitting next to each other on a
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: very low bench. Their hands were bound in front of
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: them with some sort of weird strap. They were paralyzed
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and unable to move while this weird hypnotic device came
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: down from the ceiling and hypnotized them. Next thing they know,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: they wake up at home in their car A full
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: day has passed and they have no memory of what
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: happened other than they thought that they got stuck at work.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: And under hypnosis, this is what the hypnotic command was.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: You won't remember, you will not remember this, you just
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: had problems at work. So that's all they were left with.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And after the incident, these phobias really ramped up and
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: became crippling, and that's when they sought therapy. It took
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: six years, and that's the story that came out. I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: find it very interesting because it echoes the sort of
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: accounts we see today. Malcolm Kent is the sole researcher
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to this story, and I'll just quote him directly. As
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Kent says, Until the strange story of Jason and
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Robert was revealed to me, and for a long while afterward,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I did not believe in what are called flying saucers.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I believe that Jason and Robert, while driving home late
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: one fog-infested night, were kidnapped by alien creatures and taken
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: aboard an alien ship where strange and revealing experiments were
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: made upon their body. These are the facts. I'm going
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to present them, stand behind them, claim in front of
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: my peers and my God that I believe them. There
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: are those I know, and the numbers include almost everyone
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: interested in flying saucers that believe we can learn untold secrets,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: open amazing doors of learning, not just in science, but
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: in philosophy, psychology, medicine. For these reasons and others, people
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: attempt to track down the saucers and the saucer people,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: berate the government for denying their existence, make speeches and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: write books. I'd like to suggest that this course is
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: as mad as those disputed previously. It is only too
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: clear that the aliens are not interested in telling us
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: or teaching us anything, and what could we learn from
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: them if they were willing to tell us their secrets?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: If the aliens treat us with impunity, assuming the right
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: to sweep down out of the skies and kidnap us,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: enclose us with creatures of their manufacture, stick needles into
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: our skin and watch us reproduce, what makes us think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: that whatever philosophy they have will be superior to our own?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: So Malcolm Kent takes a pretty dim view of this
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: whole experience. I don't think he can be faulted for that.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: This is a very early reported abduction and it does
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: have a lot of pretty alarming elements to it for sure.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But I think a very important case, and that's why
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I included it. And now we move to case number six.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: For number six, I chose the Maurice Bay UFO crash
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: retrieval incident. This is a very controversial incident. It was
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: investigated by the Long Island UFO Network, which was headed
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: by researcher John Ford, who himself has had some controversy.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: But it appears that the event is legitimate. This occurred
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: on September 28, 1989. And as the story goes, a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: UFO was shot down by the military. I'm not saying
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: this is true. I'm just going to report the facts
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that we know about this incident, at least as they
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: were reported by the Long Island UFO Reporting Network and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: other researchers. Again, this occurred on September 28, 1989. There
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: had been a wave of sightings prior. But on September
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: 28th at about 5.30 p.m., Mary McLaughlin and her son
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: saw two large triangular objects in this area. A half
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: hour later, residents in the area said they saw military
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: arriving and started setting up roadblocks along the East Morish
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Coast Guard Base. At 8 p.m., Mona Rowe said, A
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: resident of the area saw amber lights in the sky
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and she thought at first they were flares but they
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: didn't quite look right. Another resident, Ms. P.G., and her
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: son saw strange lights in the sky and looking at
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: them saw that they were actually attached to a huge
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: triangular-shaped object. Another witness interviewed by the Long Island UFO
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Network was Larry S. and his son who were out
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: fishing in along Morish Harbor when they saw these helicopters
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: and what they first thought were flares. But they're not
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: sure they were flares. These were orange, kind of amber objects.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: And they watched this for several hours. They stayed there
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: until 1 p.m. and were very nervous about what they
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: were seeing because it was clearly unusual. Another witness by
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the name of Susan was near Southampton College when she
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: saw eight lights. They looked like they were about 500
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: feet over water. The highway, this was on Tukaho Lane.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of witnesses here. 815, a dentist
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: by the name of John Sykes was driving along Sunrise
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: in the nearby town of Quag when he saw these
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: strange lights, and he's definitely convinced this was not a flare.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Another interviewed witness is Paul Peterson, who described seeing six
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: amber lights. Also, he saw several helicopters heading towards them.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: He went out with his friend to investigate and he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: saw these lights hovering about 50 feet over the water
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and they stayed for about two hours in place and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: they were taking pictures. Bob Eschler, who is a MUFON investigator,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: actually was able to examine these photographs and believes they're
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: genuine and says they were not flares because there's no
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: heat signature apparent in them. So the evidence for this
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: is definitely building up. At 9 p.m., Another witness, Carol Olivieri,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and her husband Frank, said that they saw these strange
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: lights and helicopters. 9.30 p.m., Kevin and Kathy O'Donnelly saw
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: these lights while they were driving. They said it actually
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: paced their car at treetop level and lit up the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: area around them bright as daylight. It was totally silent.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: They got to their home, and this object hovered over
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: a nearby field, which is about a 10-acre field. And
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: they said it covered it completely. Another witness was a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: court officer by the name of Frank who saw what
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: he thought were flares and an AFC-130 dropping people, parachutists,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: into the water. So definitely there's some sort of operation
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: going on that involves at least the military. At 2.30 a.m.,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: a commodities broker by the name of John and his
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: sister were woken up by helicopters and looked outside of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: their home. And to their shock, there was helicopters flying
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: by and hanging from it was a very large circular
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: object being carted away. At this point, numerous other witnesses
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: were seen. A military convoy moving along the roads from
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Smith's Point Beach along the William Floyd Parkway towards Brookhaven Labs.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: So the Long Island UFO Network took a while to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: collect all these reports and sort of build this case
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: for the possible existence of a UFO crash retrieval, which
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: took place on Moorish Harbor. But according to some researchers,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: this thing wasn't just a crash, it was actually shot down.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: One researcher is UFO researcher George Dixon, who was told
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: by an inside source, a colonel who worked at the Pentagon,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that the military actually shot down this UFO using Star
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Wars weapons. And according to this colonel, the UFO retaliated
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and actually struck back with sort of a sound weapon,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: a sonic weapon, which killed 18 people, including a small
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: group of psychics who had been brought by the military
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: to communicate telepathically with the alleged ETs. So this case
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: starts to get really towards the fringe here with a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: lot of bizarre but interesting information, certainly. And it does
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: appear to have legitimacy to it because the Long Island
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: UFO Network held a press conference and the Copley News
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Service received confirmation of activity in this area from both
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the police and the Coast Guard. though they made later
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: inquiries which resulted in nothing but complete blanket denials. So
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: once again, we have officials backtracking. Various explanations were raised
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to try and debunk this case from officials, including reports
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: of a Russian satellite. Others said it was a drug bust.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Another source said it was an Air-C training operation. So
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: we start to get contradictory debunking explanations. That's a pattern
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: we see again in high-level cases. So it's very hard
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to say what exactly happened here, but researcher George Dixon
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: said he found another witness who was actually on the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: scene and worked on the weapon itself. He was just
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: there for a short portion when they actually shot down
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: this object, but says that it's absolutely legitimate. And he
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: refused to elaborate anymore because he was being threatened. And
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: there's a weird and kind of complex, interesting end note
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to the Maurice Bay UFO crash. On July 17th, 1996,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: that's many years later, TWA Flight 800 was flying over
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  Speaker 1: Maurice Harbor. They had been 12 minutes in the air.
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  Speaker 1: had just reached 14,000 feet when they spontaneously exploded. 230
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: people perished. There were no survivors. There was a lot
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: of speculation that this might have been a missile at
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: first because a bunch of people saw a huge flash
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: of light heading towards this object. In fact, there were
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  Speaker 1: over 50 witnesses who reported this. Michael Russo said he
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: saw a glint, quick and sharp. I wish I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: seen it. Actually, there was another person, Linda Cabot, who
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: managed to photograph what appears to be a missile or
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: something heading towards, well, certainly in the air at the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: time of this incident. Major Fred Meyer, he witnessed this
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  Speaker 1: flash of light, and he was inside a military National
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  Speaker 1: Guard helicopter at the time, and he says, I saw
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  Speaker 1: what I've described as the light in the sky that
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  Speaker 1: has the characteristic and trajectory of a shooting star. The
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  Speaker 1: difference was this was broad daylight, and I was immediately
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  Speaker 1: curious because I've never seen anything like that in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen missiles fired at me, SAM-1s, 2s, 7s, They're
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  Speaker 1: 1960s Vietnam vintage missiles. This is the last time anybody
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  Speaker 1: shot at me. I do not attribute or ascribe to
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  Speaker 1: this any of the characteristics of those missiles. I've seen missiles.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing in my experience says missiles. So this was not
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  Speaker 1: just a conspiracy. This was being taken seriously by major
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: news outlets. In fact, Aviation Week and Technology News The
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: New York Times and Newsweek all printed articles speculating on
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  Speaker 1: the possibility that the plane had come down from some
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: type of friendly fire. This even appeared on Larry King Live.
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  Speaker 1: And there was, of course, the report from United Airlines
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  Speaker 1: pilot Richard Russell of Daytona, Florida, who said flat out,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a U.S. Navy
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  Speaker 1: guided missile ship. and said he was given this information
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  Speaker 1: by a high-level briefing. Of course, the military has denied this.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of research into this incident. It
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: was a tragic accident. In 1997, the Discovery Channel did
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: a special on Flight 800 and revealed that there had
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: been a number of Navy ships offshore when this happened,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: offshore of Long Island, and they were conducting top-secret maneuvers
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: at the time. including, quote, satellite reconnaissance. Hard to say,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of controversy surrounding this incident. There's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of research into it. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get too deep into it, but I would like
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  Speaker 1: to quote a little snippet from researcher Elaine Douglas, who's,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I think, a prominent and well-respected researcher. As Elaine Douglas says,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: there's that curious coincidence about Maurice Baye, which more than
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: a few persons have pointed out, is where John Ford
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: said that the U.S. brought down an alien craft in 1989,
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  Speaker 1: and where Riche Bay is where TWA Flight 800 mysteriously crashed.
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  Speaker 1: The cause of that crash, readers are aware, has so
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  Speaker 1: far eluded federal investigators, and in particular, investigators are unable
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  Speaker 1: to explain the reports of more than 20 persons who
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: say they saw an unaccountable light streaking towards Flight 800
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  Speaker 1: before it went down. So this is developing into a
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  Speaker 1: huge conspiracy, and certainly one who is knowledgeable about conspiracies
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: is author Peter Moon, who wrote about the Montauk Project.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Peter Moon, of the Montauk Project, says that Flight 800
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: was in fact shot down by friendly fire using Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars technology. As he says, the rumor in my circle
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  Speaker 1: is has it that it was the particle accelerator at
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Brookhaven Labs on the Montauk Point, part of the Strategic
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  Speaker 1: Defense Initiative program. The plane was passing in the vicinity
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  Speaker 1: of a military exercise when a heat-generated target was being
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  Speaker 1: pursued but something malfunctioned and the beam was accidentally fired
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  Speaker 1: up from the ground, hitting the deactivated missile and activating it.
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  Speaker 1: The heat-seeking missile passed through the hull of the plane itself.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: destroying it and leaving no trace of itself. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what Peter Moon says. There was a lot of controversy
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: surrounding what brought this plane down. They did think it
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: might be a missile. 300 FBI investigators converged on this
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  Speaker 1: scene as well as air traffic investigators. They eventually concluded
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  Speaker 1: that it had occurred because of a spark in the
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  Speaker 1: central fuel tank. But Some people to this day disagree
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  Speaker 1: with it. Whether it was friendly fire or a UFO,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: it's still hard to say. But what's very interesting is
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  Speaker 1: there's some very bizarre incidents that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't know about. And this is why I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: include this after note on this whole Maurice Harbor case.
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of UFOs have been seen in this
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  Speaker 1: exact area by other jets. On November of 1996, just
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a few months following this incident, the crew of a
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  Speaker 1: Pakistani jet were flying over the same spot when, according
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: to FBI investigator Rob Rapalski, I'm interpreting it as they
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: saw a single beam or a point of light enough
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: to attract their attention. One month later, there was another
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: strange UFO seen at about 12,000 feet over JFK, very
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: close to where The TWA Flight 800 had crashed. This
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: was a Saudi Arabian 747, and they described seeing a
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: green flare-like object which hung over their plane for a
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: short period of time, but long enough to be caught
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: on radar. And as a result of this sighting, their
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: flight was actually diverted to Dulles Airport, where federal officials
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: questioned them about what they saw. Airport officials released a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: statement about the incident saying, it might turn out to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: be completely nothing. I can't say there is anything to it. Obviously,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: if someone reports something, they have to check it out.
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  Speaker 1: That's standard. And later, CNN was told by the FBI
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  Speaker 1: that it could have been a meteor shower, which clearly
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: it couldn't have been if it's hovering over their plane
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  Speaker 1: for a period of time and appearing on radar. And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: in August 9th, 1997, just again, not far later, there
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  Speaker 1: was a fourth incident in which a 747 was involved.
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  Speaker 1: This appeared in the Toronto Sun and involved Swiss Air
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  Speaker 1: Flight 127, which was cruising over New York at 23,000 feet,
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  Speaker 1: just opposite of John F. Kennedy Airport. Quote, according to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: the Toronto Sun, near the area where TWA Flight 800
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  Speaker 1: went down in July of 1996. And the pilot was
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: addressing passengers on another issue when he cut his transmission
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  Speaker 1: off to call the National Transportation Board when this object
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  Speaker 1: came shooting by them. He called it a near miss
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: by a round white object. And according to the NTSB,
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  Speaker 1: the following concern conversation occurred between air traffic controllers in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Boston and the pilot of Swiss Air 747 Jumbo Jet.
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  Speaker 1: The object had just streaked past the plane when Swiss
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  Speaker 1: Air radioed in. Swiss Air, Sir, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it was, but it just flew like a couple of
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: hundred feet above us. I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 1: a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast in the opposite direction.
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  Speaker 1: The controller asked, In the opposite direction? Swiss Air. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: It was too fast to be an airplane. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: the controller located another aircraft in the area and asked
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  Speaker 1: the crew if they saw anything like a missile in
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  Speaker 1: the area. The response was negative. And the controller asked
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  Speaker 1: Swiss Air how close the object was to his plane.
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  Speaker 1: And the controller replied, it was right over us, right above,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: opposite direction, and I don't know, two, three, 400 feet above.
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  Speaker 1: We saw a light object. It was white and very fast.
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  Speaker 1: So lots of strange events surrounding this whole incident. As
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  Speaker 1: one researcher, John Romero, wrote in his article, just as
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: UFOs entered the Flight 800 mystery, the case is closed,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: he points out that as soon as this whole UFO
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: connection became undeniable, federal investigators immediately came up with the
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: cause of the crash. As he writes... The diagnosis effectively
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: bumped the mystery of Flight 800 out of the news,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: but the explanation was curiously timed. It came just as
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: reliable witnesses had reported a possible UFO connection to the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: explosion crash that killed 230 passengers and crew on the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Paris-bound 747. So this is a very long and complex case,
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  Speaker 1: and I just want to close it with a poignant
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  Speaker 1: end note, which is really interesting. and ties into all this.
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  Speaker 1: This comes from English researcher Tony Dodd, who was interviewing
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  Speaker 1: an abductee by the name of Stephen. And Stephen had
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: been taken on board a UFO, and he was often
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: given messages, sometimes of future events. And on one occasion,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: he was given a very strange prophecy just a few
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: weeks before the crash of this plane. As Tony Dodd writes,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: on one occasion, Stephen saw an airliner crash. He asked
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: the aliens if they could stop this from happening and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: was told no. Two weeks later, TWA Flight 800 crashed
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: into the sea off Long Island. So that's case number six,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: which I know got a bit long there. but I
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  Speaker 1: think deserves to be told. Something clearly happened in Maurice
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  Speaker 1: Harbor and is still happening if all these airliners are
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: seeing this strange activity. All right, now we get to
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  Speaker 1: the top five. For number five, I chose Pine Bush,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: UFO hotspot. Pine Bush is an area in upstate New
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  Speaker 1: York which for a very long time has had a
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: reputation for attracting UFOs in very large numbers. The activity
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: goes back decades. but in 1980 really ramped up and
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  Speaker 1: sort of became famous. It's a very interesting area. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty rural. According to air traffic controller at Stewart International,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: he revealed to UFO investigators that this area is what
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: they call a border area. It's actually not visible on radar.
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  Speaker 1: So perhaps that's one of the reasons why it's so active.
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  Speaker 1: It became famous, as I said, in 1980, largely through
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  Speaker 1: the work of Harry Liebelson and Ellen Kristol. Ellen Kristol
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  Speaker 1: had seen a UFO and was very interested in UFOs
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: and contacted Omni Magazine where Harry Liebelson worked and asked
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: him about UFOs. And Harry Liebelson had heard about sightings
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: in the Pine Bush area and told her that would
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: be a good place to start. And this is how
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Ellen Kristol became actually a pretty prominent UFO researcher. and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Harry Liebelson joined her as they began investigating the UFO
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: sightings at Pine Bush. They interviewed a number of residents,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: including policemen, the barber, store clerks, a bunch of blue-collar workers,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: all who said that there's been activity there a long time,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: since about the late 1960s. Interestingly, this is not far
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  Speaker 1: from Crawford, where Whitley Strieber had his cabin, So Ellen
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  Speaker 1: Crystal started going out there to see if she could
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: see UFOs and she did almost immediately. She began photographing them.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: She visited this area on a weekly basis and started
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: getting some very close-up sightings. Sometimes she's as close as
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: 50 feet and she's decided that she's going to have
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to start bringing more witnesses in because there's a lot
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: of activity going on in this area. She researched it
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit, found out there was mining in this area.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: So something very strange was going on in the Pine
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Bush area. And Ellen Crystal was determined to figure out
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: what it was. In 1986, she was researching there again
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: and said this object approached to within 30 feet away
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: and hovered about 8 feet over her car. She started
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: bringing carloads of people in to watch these objects. And
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: it was... Incredible success. The number of witnesses was growing rapidly,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: and this area was becoming well-known as a place you
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: could go to to see UFOs. Probably Ellen Crystal's closest
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: encounter was when she saw a gray actually run across
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: the road in front of her car. She caught it
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: in her flashlight. So she continued to do research and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: brought more people in. She brought in Robert Toto, a
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: MUFON investigator, and they had a number of sightings. She
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: brought in other witnesses such as Rich Rohrman, Edward Moray,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Arlene Clifford, other witnesses, Renee Petrella, David D'Elia. She eventually
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: wrote a book about her experiences here in Pine Bush
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  Speaker 1: called Silent Invasion and I think is largely responsible for
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  Speaker 1: popularizing it and making this Small community, what amounts to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: is a tourist attraction bringing in hundreds of people to
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: see UFOs. And one of them was Vinnie Poliz. In 1991,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: his brother had seen a UFO and Poliz was very intrigued.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: So they went out and started researching the Pine Bush
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: area and were incredibly successful. Had a number of close-up sightings.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: And at one point, Vinnie Police also describes a face-to-face
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: contact with a humanoid. So this was the place to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: go to see UFOs. Vinnie Police ended up writing a
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: book about his encounters in Pine Bush, which he called
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the Pine Bush Phenomenon. And by 1995, it got out
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: of control. At this point, there were cars lined up
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: nightly along this one road. It's called West Searsville Road.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: That became the place to see UFOs in this area,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: and hundreds of cars would line up along this road
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: to view UFOs. Researcher Linda Zimmerman has written about cases
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: in Pine Bush. That's very well known, but it was
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: causing problems. By 1997, there were property developers in the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: area who were dismayed by the crowds of hundreds of onlookers.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: and contacted the police, a whole controversy followed. Ultimately, there
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: was a no-loitering order put out, and people were forbidden
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: from parking along Searsville Road. So it sort of put
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the Pine Bush phenomenon to a little bit of an end,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: but you can't kill a good thing, and the UFOs
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: are still appearing. People are going to come and look
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: at them. And to this day, Pine Bush remains... One
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of the most famous areas to see a UFO. In 2003,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: they started holding UFO meetings. And to this day, there's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: an annual Pine Bush Festival. So it's become sort of
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: an iconic UFO sighting area. And that's why I included it.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: And that's why I gave it the number five place.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Now we move to number four. And these are the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: encounters of Whitley Strieber. I think this definitely deserves its
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: ranking as number four. Whitley Strieber's encounters have had a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: huge impact on the field. The whole story unfolded really
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: beginning in July of 1984. Whitley Strieber was a novelist
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: at the time, famous for novels like The Hunger and Wolfen.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And one evening in July of 1984... He was in
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: his cabin in Crawford, New York when he heard the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: footsteps and the motion sensor light went off and he
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: looked outside. There was nothing there. Next year, on October 4th, 1985,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, he was in his
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: cabin when the entire interior lit up with light. His
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: wife Anne saw it. His son saw it. Their two
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: friends downstairs thought the light was so bright that it
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: was morning. and the light flashed out, and everyone was
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: very much confused by the incident. That morning, Streber had
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: flashbacks of a UFO hovering over the house, and his
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: son told him that little people had come running in
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: and said everything was going to be okay, but otherwise,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: nobody seemed to talk about it. Then on December 26th, 1985,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: everything changed when Whitley woke up to hear people downstairs
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: in his living room and he woke up the next
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: morning not feeling well. He had a very restless night.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: He was feeling anxious, had fatigue, he was feeling fluish.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: He had memories of a large owl staring at him
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: through the window. He had tactful memories of being pushed
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: and poked at and seemed to remember a light in
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: the woods. But it was all a confused jumble and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: he wasn't sure what to make of it. And it
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: was one week later when he was skiing, when he
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: had a pain in his head and discovered a needle mark.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: And suddenly this flood of memories came rushing back. He
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: recalled being pulled from his room, carried by gray or
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: this sort of bluish skin creatures into the woods. There
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: was a gray next to him. He was sucked up
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: into a craft and underwent a fairly unpleasant examination, including
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: an anal probe. He got a lot of ribbing for that,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: but I really commend him for coming forward and describing it.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: He thought it was a very scary experience and had
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: no memory of it until this suddenly spontaneously popped into
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: his head. I thought he was going crazy, maybe having
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: a psychotic break. So he went to the doctor, the
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: physical doctor pronounced him healthy. He went to a psychologist
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: and the psychologist pronounced him healthy. He did eventually take
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: some imagery and found evidence of what appears to be
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: implants in his body. Uh, so, uh, at this point
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: he started to realize what was happening to him and, uh,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: that he was having UFO experiences. After these memories flooded
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: into his head, Streber thought he was going crazy. He
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: went to the physical doctor who pronounced him healthy. He
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: went to a psychiatrist who could find nothing wrong with him. Uh,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: but these memories were flooding into his head and, uh,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: It took him a little bit to piece it together,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: but he realized it was the UFO phenomenon. He recalled
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: seeing a UFO hovering over his house. So it started
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: to become clear to him that whatever this was, it
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: was something to do with UFOs. And he began researching it.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: He looked into his childhood, found out he had a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: history of encounters that he kind of denied or suppressed
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: or explained away, including a UFO sighting with his little sister.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: He had a memory of being abducted from a train
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: with his father and seeing dozens of soldiers. He had
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: other strange memories as well. He remembered being at his
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: grandma's house as a kid. He was reading a book
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: when this ant-like figure, very short, appeared next to him
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: and had a metal rod in its hand. So he
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: started to have all these memories coming back to him. And, uh,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: decided he was gonna seek hypnotherapy, which he did, and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: found out that he was, in fact, a UFO abductee.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: The ETs told him, you are our chosen one. That
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: was a phrase he did not find convincing, but started
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: having a lot of unusual experiences after this. He moved
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: to New York City partly in an attempt to avoid
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: having contact, but the contact just followed him. In 1977,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: he remembered a weird experience where people were talking through
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: his stereo. His wife was there. They said something like,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: we know something else about you. And this is when
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: the experiences just continued. They moved to New York and
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: lived on 76th Street where they had another weird incident
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: which you could never quite explain, thought it was a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: burglar in his house. They moved away from there to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: the East 75th Street and lived on the 33rd floor. Still,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: the ETs arrived. His son reported seeing figures. At one point,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: the babysitter did. They started to freak out. They ended
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: up moving from that. They moved to the Upper West
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Side in 1983. In his apartment there, he had three
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: hours of missing time. On October of 1984, he drove
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: into a fog bank, had more missing time. So at
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: this point, he's still unconscious of being a UFO abductee.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: It wasn't until his experiences at his cabin in 1986
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: that he realized that this was involved with the UFO phenomena.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: He wasn't crazy. In fact, there were implants in his body,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: which showed under x-rays and MRIs. And he eventually sought
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: hypnotherapy and uncovered... what had happened on some of these
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: events of missing time, usually of which was examinations, and
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: the experiences just ramped up. Following that, he had been
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: unconscious of being an abductee, but he started having fully
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: conscious encounters. In 1986, the ETs showed up in his
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: room wearing what appeared to be a double-breasted suit. He
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: thought it might be to reduce the fear factor, which
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: other contactees have also reported it didn't work in his case.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: He still thought it was very scary. He ended up
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: writing the book Communion about his experiences. And as he
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: sent it out to various publishers, or rather his agent did,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: all of them rejected it. He couldn't find anybody to
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: pick it up. And finally, after a long list, Moral
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Books agreed to publish the book and actually gave Whitley
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Strieber an advance of $ 1 million dollars. They believed in
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: the book, and as it turned out, they were right.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: The publication of Communion went off like an atom bomb.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Willie Stuber was the first real celebrity to come forward
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: claiming to have been abducted by aliens, and the book
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: was a phenomenal success. It reached number one on the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: New York Times. It broke publishing records. It stayed in
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: the top ten for over a year and is, I believe,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the most successful book UFO book published and really just
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: introduced the world to the idea of UFO abductions. Willie
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Strieber became more known for his UFO experiences rather than
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: his fiction and sort of transitioned into the UFO field
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: and began writing more books. He eventually wrote a series
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: of books about his encounters. He became famous very well known,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: appeared on television and radio, received 20 letters daily, and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: introduced a lot of people to actually seeing UFOs. In 1986,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: astronomer John Gleedman visited Whitley Strieber at his cabin and
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: actually witnessed UFOs firsthand. Another person who had an experience
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: at Whitley's cabin was director Philip Mora. And he was
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: staying at the cabin when he saw a bright light
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: fill the room and had a dreamlike visitation with a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: gray ET. Another person who had an encounter as a
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: result of Whitley's sort of contagion was the editor of Communion, actually.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: The editor's name was Bruce Lee, and in February of 1987,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Bruce Lee went to visit the Walmrath's bookstore on Lexington
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Avenue to see the display of he came upon two
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: strange figures standing in front of the book display who
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: he said were all wrapped up in scarves and sunglasses
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: and gloves and were speed reading the book saying, oh,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: this part is right, this part is wrong, and so on.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: And he approached them and saw that they weren't human.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: He said their eyes were far too large. They gave
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: him a very angry stare. Their skin was very pale.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: It scared the daylights out of him and he stumbled
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: away and got out of there. It's a very strange encounter,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: but one of several which have taken place actually in
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: public areas in New York. That's just one of them.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: So the whole Whitley Strieber case just multiplies. It's much larger.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: In February, or let's see, in 1988, Whitley Strieber started
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: working on the film Communion, telling the version of his story.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: And more people saw UFOs at his house. Raven Dana
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: and Lori Barnes were two people who were staying at
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: his house and both had a firsthand encounter with a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: gray ET. They both said it was benevolent. Also, another
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: person who had an encounter was Michael Talbot, an author
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: and friend of Whitley Strieber. And he visited the cabin
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: and had a lucid dream type experience where he saw
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: what he thought was a bag lady, sort of a
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: gray dressed up as a bag lady on the front doorstep.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: And they proceeded to have a conversation. And he told
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Whitley Streber about it the next morning. And Whitley Streber
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: was shocked because he had seen the whole thing. He'd
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: woken up because he heard noise and came down the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: stairs and stopped when he saw the gray at the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: front door and Michael Talbot talking to it. So it
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't a dream at all. So an incredible case. Journalist
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Ed Conroy decided to look into it to see if
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: it was a hoax, and he came away utterly convinced.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Not only that, he himself started having experiences. So this
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: is something that Whitley Strieber has an effect on people.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: He continues to have encounters. He's had a lot of
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: poltergeist phenomena, out-of-body experiences, precognition. He had an episode of levitation.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: The ETs have given him various messages. They told him
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: they could control his finances and gave him a demonstration
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: of that. They told him he had to stop eating sweets,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: which he did. He slowly got over the whole fear factor,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to a large extent at least, and started to build
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: a relationship with these guys. He had an ET once
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: jump on his back. He started seeing these guys in
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: his house at night, sometimes on a nightly basis, and
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Little by little, he had sort of a more interactive relationship.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: One of his most profound experiences was when he saw
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: an ET come and approached him and put its little
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: hand in his. And so it's still a scary experience,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: I think, for him, but definitely has also become very spiritual.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: And let me just give you a little quote from
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: him about that experience. he had with this ET putting
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: his hand in his as Streber says I kept working
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: and meditating with him it was a wonderful incredible period
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: in my life and I wish dearly that I could
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: share him with every single soul in the world my
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: hope is that contact will lead to friendships like this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: for everybody who seeks them I sought myself to free
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: myself as he was free. I was fascinated with his
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: physical abilities. I'd seen him disappear. He levitated at will.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: When he left, he'd shoot through the wall. I loved him.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I had never loved anybody else like this. I didn't
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: know his name. I rarely saw him. I'd never heard
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: him speak. But he knew me vastly better than anybody
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: else ever had. He was a teacher, a real one.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: not the sort of egocentric fake that usually treads the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: path of enlightenment. By any human standard, he was totally enlightened.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: So these are the encounters of Whitley Strieber. And as
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I said, he's written a number of bestselling books about
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: this and continues to dominate the Amazon UFO bestseller list.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: He's had a very profound effect on this field. I've
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: talked to him several times. He's a wonderful guy. And, uh,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad he's come forward because he's had a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: very strong effect on this field, and that's why I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to include him as the number four case on
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: my list. And now we move to the top three.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: For number three, I chose the Brooklyn Bridge Abduction. This
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: is a case researched by Bud Hopkins. How it came
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to light is very interesting. There was a lady by
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the name of Linda Napolitano. She, at first... was anonymous,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: but she had had a lifetime of encounters and was
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: starting to put things together. In the late 1980s, she
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: went to the doctor and discovered a weird object in
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: her sinus and realized she was probably having encounters with ETs.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: So after doing some research, she contacted Bud Hopkins and
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: became one of his clients and started working with him
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: using hypnotherapy to recall what happened. And then this weird
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: incident happened. This was on November 30th, 1989. Linda was
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: in her apartment, which overlooks the Brooklyn Bridge. And it's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: a high-rise apartment. Suddenly she wakes up. The room's filled
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: with light. There's three ETs in her room, grays. They
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: grab her and pull her out of her apartment, through
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: the window, and into this object. Next thing she knows,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: she's being put back in bed. It was a very
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: frightening thing for her. She didn't remember anything else, but
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: she immediately called Bud Hopkins. They scheduled an appointment for hypnosis,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: and under hypnosis she recalled being physically examined, and there
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: were other parts she wasn't able to recall, so they
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: later scheduled more hypnosis sessions. Meanwhile, Bud Hopkins received a
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: letter from a gentleman who wanted to remain anonymous, who
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: said he was a security guard. Actually, there were two
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: security guards who said that they were guarding a highly
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: placed world official. And they told Bud Hopkins that they
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: had viewed the entire incident, that they were parked below
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Bridge and saw a woman being pulled from
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: her apartment into this object. And they described exactly what
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Linda herself had reported. And this was just the first
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: witness to come forward. Other witnesses over the next few
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: months started to come forward. In fact, Bud Hopkins heard
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: from more than a dozen witnesses who reported seeing Linda
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: be pulled out of her apartment. This is very unusual.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: This is definitely an outlier. Most abduction cases are not observed,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: but this one was observed by numerous people from different locations.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: As Bud Hopkins says, Over the past five years, I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: have interviewed and communicated with nearly a score of individuals
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: involved in this New York City abduction case. After conducting
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: many hypnotic regressions and studying the various types of physical evidence,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I have come to a firm conclusion. This abduction event
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: so drastically alters our knowledge of the alien incursion in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: our world that it is easily the most important in
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: recorded history. No previous case has had such profound effect
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: on so many lives, and none has ever been observed
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: by so many independent witnesses. Among the many stunned observers
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: was a political figure of international significance whose presence was
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: likely reason for this demonstration of alien capability. So clearly
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: an unusual event at the very least, if not the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: most important, as Bud Hopkins says. At any rate, he
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: did produce the testimonies of a number of these witnesses.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: One was Janet, who was actually on the Brooklyn Bridge
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: at the time. It says her car was stalled as
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: well as all the cars around her. She saw this
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: object hovering over the building or next to the building
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: and Linda being pulled out. Some people thought it might
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: be a mannequin in a movie. Others were screaming, she said,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: in horror and terror. It was very frightening for some
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: of them. And many other witnesses saw this. One was
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn resident Kathy Turner, who described the object as fiery red.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: That was the description matched by most witnesses. Her neighbor
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Francesca also observed the event. Meanwhile, Dan... Meanwhile, Bud Hopkins
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: received more letters from the security guards guarding the world leader,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: and they told him they had memories of being on
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: board the UFO or standing on the beach with Linda
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: and the ETs. At this point, Linda was having further
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: hypnotic regressions, and sure enough, she recalled seeing both the
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: security guards and the world leader. She also got messages
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: from the ETs The ETs wanted to give warnings, apparently,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: to these people about pollution and polluting our planet was
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: basically the main message, destroying our environment. Meanwhile, other witnesses
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: came forth. There was a lady by the name of
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Erica who told Hopkins that she was abducted on that
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: day or that evening. ETs came in and floated her
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: from her room into this large parking lot. She saw
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: the big fiery red UFO not far away over the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bridge. And she says that she was floated over
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: to this field, this parking lot, along with about 20
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: other people. So this appears to be a mass abduction.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Hard to say, but it's definitely a very complicated event.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins tells the story of this in his book, Witnessed.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: It's a 400-page book. excellent book, actually. I highly recommend it.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: It's a very complicated case. The world leader told Hopkins
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: that he would never, ever come forward, and he never did.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: But apparently, we do now know who it was. According
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: to researcher Stephen Greer, it was the Secretary General of
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: the United Nations, Perez de Cuellar. But Dr. Stephen Greer
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: has a very different take on this whole event. Uh,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: According to Stephen Greer, de Cuellar was about to go
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: public with the UFO phenomena, along with a number of
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: other world leaders, and make a public announcement about UFOs.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: And instead, to stop this from happening, apparently, the government
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: stepped in and staged a UFO event, which wasn't aliens
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: at all. According to Stephen Greer, it was psychotronic weapons.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: As Greer writes... The goal of the operation was to
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: stop this entire attempt by the world power elites, including Gorbachev,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: to disclose the truth to the world. These abduction events
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: are paramilitary operations run by humans, using things that look
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: like UFOs and even having creatures on board that look
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: like extraterrestrials but are disguised humans or man-made creatures. I'm
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: not sure that explains what's going on here. That's Stephen
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Greer's take on it. I don't think abductions are all
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: my labs, as he's asserting that this one was. And
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins certainly does not believe this theory either. At
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: any rate, that's the Brooklyn Bridge abduction case. I think
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: it is an important case. And that's why I gave
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: it the number three spot. And now we move for
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: number two. The spot for number two I gave to
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley UFO wave. This occurred from about 1982
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: to 1984 and is considered one of the most widely
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: viewed UFO events in history. That's definitely a top ten
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: event in terms of sightings of what occurred. It was
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge wave. It really ramped up around 1983.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: The main investment was Philip Imbrogno. He's one of actually
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: many investigators who've looked into this. Imbrogno was a member
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: of MUFON and CUFOS when he interviewed a police officer
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: from Kent who saw this boomerang-shaped UFO. This was right
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: on December 31st, 1982, and more sightings started to come
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: in following this. There was a sighting on February 26,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: 1983 by Monique Driscoll. She saw a boomerang-shaped object hovering
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: over White Pone Lake in Kent. On March 17, 1983,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: the sheriff's office in Brewster, New York, received a flood
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: of calls of people reporting an object over the highway.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Some of the witnesses were Fred Dennis, Sheila Sabo, Chris Clark,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: George Lesnick. All these people saw this object hovering over
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Interstate 84. Linda Nicolette saw this object from her house
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: hovering over the highway. Dennis Sant saw this object. She
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: says it was 50 feet over his house. William Durkin
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: was driving along Interstate 84. He pulled over with about
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: a dozen other people and watched this huge boomerang-shaped object
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: move at a very slow pace at a very low
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: level over the highway. It was stopping traffic all along
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: the highway and people were jumping out of their homes
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: and watching this as it just moved overhead. So this
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: was a huge event. And it was only a short
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: time later that there was an even bigger event. The
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: real big event was on March 24th, 1983. This was
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: when the Yorktown police station received a flood of calls.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: In fact, there was calls coming in all over the place,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: and Brogno looked into that case and discovered that multiple counties,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: their police stations were being flooded, including police stations in
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: 15 communities in Westchester and Putnam counties. So he set
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: up a hotline and in the first day received more
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: than 100 calls. So there was clearly an enormous wave
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: of epic proportions going on. As Imbrogno says, just how
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: many people actually saw this large boomerang-shaped object as it
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: drifted over the valley during a two-and-a-half-hour period that evening
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: will probably never be known, but it's likely that several
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: thousand people saw this strange phenomena that night. There were
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: so many reports that investigators had to ignore the routine
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: sightings in order to concentrate on those involved with close
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: encounters or when the object came to within 500 feet
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  Speaker 1: of the witnesses. 85% of all the sightings reported that
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: night came from the area of Westchester and Putnam counties.
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  Speaker 1: Only 3 miles wide and 12 miles long, the Taconic
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  Speaker 1: Parkway runs through the center of this area and the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: object appeared to have been meandering back and forth across
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: that roadway. Some of the witnesses to this event include
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  Speaker 1: Hunt Middleton. He saw the object near his home in Bedford.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Whittles and his friends saw the object from their
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: home in Carmel. Lawrence Greeman and his family, also in Carmel,
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  Speaker 1: saw this object sending down beams of light. Joan Lindauer
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  Speaker 1: said it followed her down the road in Millwood. Ed
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  Speaker 1: Burns was on the highway when he pulled over and
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: watched it with dozens of other people who pulled over.
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  Speaker 1: A police officer by the name of Kevin Soravia, he
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: was on patrol and saw this object. So many witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Hell pulled over and saw this object hovering. So
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: many witnesses. Bill Heal saw this object and was hovering
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: about 1,000 feet over the highway and moving at only
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: a few miles per hour. Dennis Fleming saw people weaving
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: on the highway and screeching to a stop and pulling over.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: He pulled over and they all stopped and watched this
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: giant boomerang shot object move over the highway. This was
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible sight. David Scarpino saw this object hovering
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: over Ossining Reservoir at treetop level. He said it was
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: bigger than a 747. The Holtzman family was driving along
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: 301 when they saw this object. John Miller of Brewster
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: saw it. Dozens of people were in a restaurant in Stormville.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: They saw this object. So the number of witnesses is
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: too many to count, too many to list. There was
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: another police officer who saw it. So it was just
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible night, March 24th. Whatever happened on that night,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people saw it. And the sightings continued.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Around this time, There was another phenomena. Ultralight planes started
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: to be seen, groups of them, flying at very low levels,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes strung up with Christmas lights, colored lights. This appears
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: to be an attempt to confuse the issue. This is
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: what certainly Philip Imbrogno believes. This is what he found
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: out and was told, actually, by an inside source. But
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: it definitely confused the issue, and a lot of people
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: reported seeing these ultralights and thought it was the UFO.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: while others had seen the UFO and the ultralights and said, no,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: these were completely different things. But the sightings continued. They
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: spread out into the neighboring state of Connecticut and lots
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: of people saw this. Imbrogno dug in trying to find
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: some official confirmation. He called the FAA. They denied everything,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: as did the police and most airport officials. But he
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: did eventually find that inside source who said that the
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: ultralights was all about confusing the issue. The sighting slowed
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: down a little bit in 1983 and came roaring back
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: in 1984. A lot of people saw these objects, as
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: I said, over reservoirs. Jim Cook saw this object hovering
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: over Croton Falls Reservoir, 15 feet above the water, sending
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: down beams of light. A few months later, on May 31st,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: it was back, again hovering over the highway, sending down
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: beams of light, stopping traffic. And that's when, following this,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: the waves started to slow down. That appeared to be
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: the climax of the whole wave. There were other sightings.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Some were very impressive. There was one witness who saw
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: the object approach and it changed size. It was very
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: small and then it expanded in size. So a lot
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: of interesting sightings, but following this, The sightings slowed down
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: and eventually stopped or they were not being reported in
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: at least as large numbers. The area still remains a
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: major hotspot. Philip Imbrogno did write a book about it.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: He co-wrote it with J. Allen Hynek and Bob Pratt.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: It's called Night Siege. I highly recommend it. I also
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: recommend the sequel to the book. Just one of the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: most amazing UFO waves in history A final incident of
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley UFO wave I'd like to mention is
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: the incredible encounters at Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant. This
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: occurred on July 24, 1984. An object hovered about 300
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: feet over the exhaust tower at Reactor 3 for at
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: least 15 minutes. It was seen by about 70 people.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: It was photographed the entire time, filmed, and caused quite
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: a bit of consternation. They had their guns pointed at it.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: This remained covered up. Philip Imbrogno found out about it
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: and actually got permission to interview one of the security guards.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: At that point, officials at the power plant denied the interview,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: and Imbrogno threatened to go public if they didn't allow
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: him to interview the security officer. So they relented, and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: this is how Imbrogno got the whole story. And it's
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: an incredible story. It turns out there was a sighting
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: a week before it And again, this object was hovering
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: over the same reactor. And eventually, they inspected this reactor
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: and found what appeared to be some sort of irregularity.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: So it could be this UFO is there for a reason,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: trying to help or at least send some sort of
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: a message. But the story doesn't end there. Philip and
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: Brogdon always talk to witnesses who've said they've seen actual
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: gray ETs moving through the walls and moving around this base.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: And also when this object showed up and hovered over
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Reactor 3, it shut down the base's entire security system.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: All the computers went dark and all the alarms were
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: no longer functional. So it could have also been some
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: sort of a display of their ability to shut this
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: nuclear power base down if they wanted to. Hard to say.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: So Philip Imbrogno got a lot of repercussions, he says,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: from investigating this incident. He was warned to not research
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: it by the New York Power Authority, he says. And
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: he began to get audited by the IRS several years
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: in a row. And as he says, and I'm quoting,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that people like John Lear and
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Bill Cooper are revealing conspiracy secret information with little or
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: no repercussions. I just poked my nose a little too
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: deep into an area of national security and I got
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: my ears pinned back for it. If I really wanted
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: to go into this with no fear of what would
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: happen to me, I'm sure there's an incredible story here.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: I'm still being given information about certain things. In the nighttime,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: people seeing little creatures coming through the walls of the
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: casing on the reactor and military personnel indicating we're aware
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: of these creatures and we don't care if they're from
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: outer space, shoot them. So an incredible case. And one
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: more tiny little event because I just... I have to
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: mention it. This occurred on August 25th, 1985, when a
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: man by the name of Greg Boone, who was actually
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: a reporter for the Pookeepsee Journal, was in the offices
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: of the newspaper with 10 other reporters when this huge
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: object comes traveling leisurely by the building. Within just a
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: few hundred feet, they all saw it. And they quickly
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: wrote up a news story to report it, thinking this
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: was going to be front-page news, and were shocked when
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: their superiors quashed the story. They nixed it and didn't
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: want to talk about it. And the next day, men
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: in suits came up and told them not to talk
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: about it. So definitely a huge, huge event, the Hudson
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Valley UFO wave, and that's why I gave it number two.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: And now we get to number one. Drumroll. It is
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: the 1965 New York Blackout. Some of you may be
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: surprised that I chose this one, but I think it's
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: the most influential UFO event in New York history, and
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: that's why I gave it the number one spot. On
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: September 22, 1965, there was a wave of sightings over Buffalo, Lewiston, Clarence, Niagara,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: North Tonawanda. This appears to be the preliminary sort of
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: beginning of this wave of sightings, which was about to
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: occur and cause this huge, huge event. It was one
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: and a half months later, on November 9th, 1965, that
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: it happened, the Great New York Blackout. This was one
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: of the largest power blackouts in United States history. It
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: involved 80,000 square miles, 5 million homes, 36 million people,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: and affected about one-fifth of the U.S. population, actually including
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: my own father. He was there. Officials eventually tracked the
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: problem that caused the blackout to a faulty relay at
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: the Sir Adam Beck plant in number two in Clay,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: New York. However, at the same time, there was a
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: lot of reports coming in of UFOs. Not just a few,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: hundreds from all across this area. And it's clearly connected
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: to this power blackout because it occurred at exactly the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: same time. The night before this whole incident, there was
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: a sighting. A bunch of boys saw a UFO moving
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: over the Syracuse dormitory. But on November 9, 1965, at
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: the time of this blackout, Robert C. Walsh, the deputy
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: city aviation commissioner in Syracuse, was flying at 1,500 feet
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: over the city when the power went out. He immediately
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: landed and observed, along with several others, a 50-foot-wide glowing
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: spherical object rise up and take off overhead at about
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: 100 feet elevation. At the same time of the Robert
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: Walsh sighting, there was another pilot who saw it. It
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: was flight instructor Weldon Ross and his student James Brooking.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: They were flying over Syracuse Airport and watched as this
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: object actually followed the telephone wires towards the Niagara Falls
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: power plant. Many, many witnesses, some of high level. One
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: great witness is Church Sexton William Stilwell of St. Paul's
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: Episcopal Church. He had a 117-power telescope, and these objects
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: showed up, and he observed them through his telescope for
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: a period of about two hours. He was actually able
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: to take several photos, two of which were published in
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: the New York Herald Journal, and it turned out he
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: had been seeing these objects for several months, since August,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: four months earlier, and was afraid to tell people because
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: of how they would react. Many people took photographs of
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: this object, including a photographer for Life magazine by the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: name of Arthur Rickerby. He was there when the blackout occurred,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: ran outside. He and hundreds of other people saw this object.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: He snapped a photo which was actually published in Life
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: magazine in the November 19, 1965 issue. There are other photos.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: One report comes from researcher Antonio Junias who writes, and
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: I'm quoting... Many UFOs were taken around the period of
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: the Great Blackout of 1965, including one that shows a
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: totally black, saucer-shaped figure lying very close to the Empire
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: State Building, precisely at the point of the huge antenna
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: at the top. There are far too many witnesses to
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: list here, but there are some famous ones. Renato Pacini,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: he worked with the Symphony Orchestra in Indianapolis. He and
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other people saw six objects. Families came
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: running out of their homes. People saw this while driving
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: down the highway. And it was not only seen in Syracuse,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: but in surrounding areas such as Mattiesdale. And literally, they
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: found out surrounding states. The Syracuse Herald Journal received more
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: than 100 reports of UFOs in the days and weeks
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: that followed, mostly from Syracuse in this one area. but
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: all over the surrounding states where all this power had
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: gone off. So it wasn't apparently just one object. It
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: was many, many objects. And this is where it gets
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: really interesting. And here's an aspect of the New York
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: blackout story that I don't think a lot of people
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: know about. And one of the reasons I gave it
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: first place. This comes from a witness, an actor by
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: the name of Stuart Whitman. and he tells an incredible story.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: According to Stuart Whitman, he was in his 12-story New
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: York hotel room when he heard his name being called
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: like a loudspeaker in English, and he saw two egg-shaped
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: objects hovering outside the window. One was blue, one was orange.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: These were fairly large. Then this voice shouted out to
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: Whitman that he was being contacted because he had no
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: malice or hatred. And these ETs, if that's what they were,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: gave him this message. And I'll just quote Stuart Whitman
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: here because it's a pretty amazing story. As he says,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: they were concerned about our continued use of uncontrolled nuclear
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: weapons and about the chaos and lack of morality now
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: in existence on our planet. They informed me that they
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: will definitely interfere if we go too far in our
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: warlike attitudes. They claimed that they are able to stop
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: all electrical apparatus from functioning and could put a halt
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: to our normal everyday activities anytime they wanted to. The
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: voice proceeded to tell Stewart that they had contacted other people.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: Apparently no one else has come forth, but according to
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: Stewart Whitman, and I'm quoting again, they gave their message
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: to all those with ears that will hear. They told
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: him that the blackout had been a demonstration but that
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: their only concern was the welfare of humanity. As Stuart
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Whitman says, and again I'm quoting, they requested that I
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: attempt to assist in any possible manner their campaign to
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: wipe out racial prejudice, hatred, bigotry, and war from our planet.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: I was not frightened, but strangely elated. I had no fear,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: as I somehow knew they would do me no harm.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they picked me as a contact,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: i'll swear on a bible that i saw them out
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: there and that they talked to me so many many
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: witnesses in a very complicated case many researchers have looked
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: into this ralph and judy bloom looked into it immediately
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: after it happened and learned that it was causing waves
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: at very high levels officials were concerned that it was
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: as stuart whitman had said a demonstration of their power
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: and this caused waves all the way up to congress
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: In 1968, three years later, Congress held a congressional hearing
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: on UFOs and the great New York blackout certainly came up.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Researcher James McDonald was one of the presenters and he
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: definitely had something to say about what happened on that night.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: And I'll quote him here as he says, Dr. Hynek
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: would probably be the most appropriate. man to describe the
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: Manhattan sighting since he interviewed several witnesses involved. I interviewed
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: a woman in Seacliff, New York. She saw a disc
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: hovering and going up and down and then shooting away
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: from New York just after the power failure. I went
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: to the Federal Power Commission for data. They didn't take
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: them seriously, although I They had many dozens of sighting
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: reports for that evening. There were reports all over New
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: England in the midst of that blackout, and five witnesses
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: near Syracuse saw a glowing object ascending within about a
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: minute of the blackout. McDonald reported several other cases to
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: the congressional officials and then concluded his report by saying,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: and again I'm quoting, just how a UFO could trigger
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: an outage on a large power network is however not
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: yet clear but this is a disturbing series of coincidences
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: that I think warrant much more attention than they have
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: so far received Congressman Ryan was listening to McDonald and
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: asked McDonald as far as you know has any agency
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: investigated the New York blackout in relation to UFOs James
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: McDonald replied none at all There is no one looking
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: at this relation between UFOs and outages. Congressman Ryan then
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: asked one final question. He says, One final question. Do
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: you think it is imperative that the Federal Power Commission
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: or Federal Communications Commission investigate the relationship between the sightings
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: and the blackout? Dr. McDonald replied, My position would call
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: for a somewhat weaker adjective. I'd say extremely desirable. So
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: that's my list of the top 20 cases in New York.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: I researched all these cases for my book, UFOs Over
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: New York. There were lots of others I wanted to include,
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: but as you can see, this has already gone way
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: too long. I hope I've included the most important cases.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who have stuck around all
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: the way to the end, thanks very much. And hope
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: you enjoyed it and keep having fun.