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Patriots Unfiltered 10/3: Takeaways from Loss to Cowboys, Gonzalez/Judon Injuries and Who Steps Up · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at ji Lets Stadium, and oh god, whoa, it's a
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  Speaker 1: tough Tuesday. It's a tough tuesday. I did not expect that. Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: I predicted. I thought Patriots win twenty seven and nothing
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  Speaker 1: could have been further from the truth. I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: was that was you know, you're really bad when you
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  Speaker 1: become another team's get right game. You know, we became
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys get right game. You know, they lost to
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals and they got right against us. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what we used to do. Like we'd have a bad
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  Speaker 1: game and some team would come in and we'd get
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  Speaker 1: right against them. That's what we were.
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  Speaker 5: We know, how many people think the Saints are.
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  Speaker 1: They get right game for the paper for us, I
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  Speaker 1: don't see how you can believe that, you know it.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it's like another one where it can go
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  Speaker 1: either way.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, you know it was.
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  Speaker 1: Bad and you know what the worst part of the
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  Speaker 1: game was losing Judon and Gonzales. You lost arguably your
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  Speaker 1: two best players offense or defense.
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  Speaker 9: And I mean that's just scratch on the surface of it,
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  Speaker 9: which is ridiculous, But I mean Judon is like press conferences,
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  Speaker 9: front and center, bring some entertainment, bring some life and
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  Speaker 9: personality to this team. And Gonzalez was you know, has
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  Speaker 9: been a star through these first three and change that
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  Speaker 9: he played. You talk about just a need for playmakers
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  Speaker 9: on this team, and you just lost arguably two of
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  Speaker 9: your biggest playmakers, if not the two biggest playmakers on defense,
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  Speaker 9: which we're all talking about the offense and Mac and
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  Speaker 9: how are we gonna go going forward. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 9: even if they escape that game with a win and
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  Speaker 9: you came out losing those two guys, it would probably
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  Speaker 9: be just as bad as if you had lost this game,
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  Speaker 9: you know, So I'm not sure how they overcome those losses.
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  Speaker 10: It's gonna be a big, big blows.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the only saving grace maybe is if Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Jones and Jack Jones comes back and you get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more depth in the backfield.
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  Speaker 13: But still, yeah, you know, I feel like the injuries
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  Speaker 13: are turning into like a CBS receipt and hopefully you
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  Speaker 13: guys are going digital at CBS now. But I will say,
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  Speaker 13: I'm just it kind of sucks. I feel like the
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  Speaker 13: defense has bailed this offense out or given the offense,
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  Speaker 13: you know, ample opportunities and without them, and when you're
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  Speaker 13: already out all the Joneses and to add those two
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  Speaker 13: on the list is kind of a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that if the Patriots are going to
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  Speaker 1: be at all competitive this season, from the evidence that
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  Speaker 1: we have now, it would be up to the defense.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and especially Gonzales and Matthew Judon to the way.
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  Speaker 3: That's why that was the worst part, because you can listen,
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  Speaker 3: it was a bad performance.
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  Speaker 5: We're not going to spend two hours sugarcoating it.
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  Speaker 3: But you can blow off a bad game as a
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  Speaker 3: bad game, you know, like that's not you know, Bill
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  Speaker 3: said after the game, I don't think we played you know,
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  Speaker 3: our play today was indicative of what we are and
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  Speaker 3: I would largely agree with that. That was by far
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  Speaker 3: the worst I've seen them play. But to lose those
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  Speaker 3: two guys, and we should probably update people. There are
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  Speaker 3: reports now, you know, Adam Schefter, Tom Pellisero a lot
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  Speaker 3: of guys. Judon is expected to undergo surgery tomorrow for
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  Speaker 3: the torn biceps, so Chefter sort of alluded to the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he's holding out hope. Judon is holding out
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  Speaker 3: hope that he might be able to return, but it's
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  Speaker 3: two months minimum, and you know to what will would
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  Speaker 3: he be returning, you know, So in any regard, he's
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  Speaker 3: out for a while. He's not going to be part
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  Speaker 3: of your solution to get back into this this race
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  Speaker 3: and Gonzales. I haven't seen any definitive report, but I've
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  Speaker 3: read that it's a ton labor for him, which is
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  Speaker 3: similar to what Marcus Jones is dealing with. So he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be out for a while, if not the entire
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  Speaker 3: season as well. A lot of guys are eligible to
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  Speaker 3: return from from I R I. You know, it certainly
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  Speaker 3: seems like Taekwon Thoughton will be one of them based on.
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  Speaker 5: His Instagram. Was an instagram that he had yesterday.
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  Speaker 10: I think it was on the Graham You sure it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: Threads Gallos humor.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. My good job, good job, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to be transparent while this is all transpiring
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  Speaker 1: during the game, I have to admit I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: all right, don't win anymore, let's let's get let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the top pick race.
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  Speaker 5: Did you just say that?
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  Speaker 11: No, I mean, I'm just coming from you.
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  Speaker 5: That is just no jarring Evan and I just I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't stop trying, you don't stop frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: Within the game, you mean, yeah, but during the game,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well, what's the point now, Like Paul said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe Judi can come back in December or Zales
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  Speaker 1: can come back in late November to what Yah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know about Gonzales.
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  Speaker 1: Is just yeah, just I'm saying maybe, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I think there, I think he's out for the year.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, the crazy thing to me is just
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  Speaker 9: that we've only played four games, so it's thirteen games,
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  Speaker 9: like this season hasn't even really started that much yet,
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  Speaker 9: you know you still.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, still still, I'm only kidding, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how. But what this like, how how do
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  Speaker 1: you even get to five hundred?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 13: The only way you get to five hundred at this
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  Speaker 13: point is if you miraculously are playing the team without
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  Speaker 13: their best player or best players one.
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  Speaker 1: But they're playing us without our best player.
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  Speaker 10: Too, right, and that changes it. That changes it for me.
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  Speaker 13: It's like Matisa and I were looking at the rest
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  Speaker 13: of the schedule yesterday and we were like, you still
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  Speaker 13: have to play the Bills twice.
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  Speaker 11: You still have to play the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 13: You still have to There's so many people that you.
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  Speaker 1: See the cheap Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: So that's so that's four that you're probably going to
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  Speaker 3: be hard pressed. So that's seven losses. So to Fred's point,
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  Speaker 3: you know, try to get to five hundred. You do
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  Speaker 3: that by going seven and two in the other nine games.
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  Speaker 3: And I think those other nine games are probably all
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  Speaker 3: like this one against New Orleans.
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  Speaker 5: They're coin flips.
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  Speaker 1: And then okay, so let's say you do get to
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  Speaker 1: five hundred. What good does that do you at this point?
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  Speaker 14: How Fred really had an introspective to look at No,
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  Speaker 14: I'm really looking at this and I'm looking at our personnel,
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  Speaker 14: and I'm talking about offense mostly it ain't good enough.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not good enough. And how do you turn
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  Speaker 1: that around? Ye for twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 9: And what is the team? You know, what team is
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  Speaker 9: this going to be? What emergency but I want to,
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  Speaker 9: like conversate with Paul for a second.
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  Speaker 11: We felt like those.
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  Speaker 10: Were those were coin flips.
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  Speaker 9: Like without Judon and Gonzales, do you really feel that,
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  Speaker 9: like there's still coin flips, Like I feel like it's
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  Speaker 9: kind of leaning the other way with a lot of
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  Speaker 9: those games.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it depends, it depends which one, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: specific games that you ask about, like.
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  Speaker 10: Like the Raiders okay, but like Adams well without like
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  Speaker 10: if it's.
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  Speaker 3: Miles br but is Garoppolo playing in the Raiders game,
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  Speaker 3: because I would get the Raiders an edge if he
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  Speaker 3: is right, you know, to you a point, you those
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  Speaker 3: are the those have been their two best players, not
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  Speaker 3: just defensive players, the best two players. And I think
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones is probably close because and I'm judging on
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they haven't put him on I R right, right,
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  Speaker 3: so they have to think that he's had a chance.
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  Speaker 5: The last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: So I think if he comes back, that will help.
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  Speaker 3: But you're still dealing with even this week, Okay, New
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  Speaker 3: Orleans a team that's very much like the Patriots, struggling
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  Speaker 3: to score points. Chris Olave, Michael Thomas, uh is.
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  Speaker 5: It, Rashid.
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  Speaker 3: Shaheed Shaheed, right, you know, big play guy.
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  Speaker 5: So is it Miles Bryant and Sean Wade, Like that's.
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  Speaker 10: That's Jonathan Jones and Jack Jones.
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  Speaker 5: That's Worriso.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't think Jack Jones comes in Bat Jones,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And I think Jonathan Jones might come back.
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  Speaker 3: But even if it is Jack Jones coming back to
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  Speaker 3: what like he hasn't played in months at this point,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 8: So.
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  Speaker 3: That trouble that is that is a coin flip game
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  Speaker 3: to me, only because the other team can't score. But
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  Speaker 3: I would worry about the games like Washington, which is
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  Speaker 3: a game that I didn't come into the season worrying
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  Speaker 3: about because they've they've demonstrated the ability to score the courts.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the the Colt young quarterback is making plays
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  Speaker 3: and if he happens to go out of the game
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  Speaker 3: like he did, Mitchew can put points on the boyd too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: now that offense is played well, those teams worry me.
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  Speaker 13: And it's like weird to say, But the Giants, I
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  Speaker 13: know that they have they've had their moments where they're
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  Speaker 13: like what is going on? But then they also have
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  Speaker 13: the ability to do what they did against the Cardinals
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  Speaker 13: and come back from being down to right like.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I watched a lot of that game last night,
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  Speaker 3: and it looks like a train wreck. You got sacked
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  Speaker 3: eleven times, you had multiple turnovers that turned into touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: But there were times in that game where they moved
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  Speaker 3: the ball effortlessly against Seattle. I thought for large parts
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  Speaker 3: of that game they were a better team than Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't even come close to winning it. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's just one of those years for the Giants and
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  Speaker 3: they're done. They're one of the few teams that have
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  Speaker 3: scored fewer points on the Patriots, right, it's it's the
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  Speaker 3: Giants in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 11: And my first of all that this team has broken
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  Speaker 11: me to the point where I am ten minutes, I'm
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  Speaker 11: not sick on top of everything and speak just let's
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  Speaker 11: just put that out there. Why my voice sounds like this,
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  Speaker 11: But this is in my lifetime and I don't count
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  Speaker 11: the nineties because I wasn't old enough to really remember that.
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  Speaker 11: I hate he just said. He just said in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 13: To watch the tape.
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  Speaker 11: Yet this was this is the darkest place I've ever
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  Speaker 11: been in with this team.
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  Speaker 5: So always darkest before the dawn.
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  Speaker 11: No, it's not. And this is this is this is
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  Speaker 11: as down on the team as I have ever been
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  Speaker 11: ever really and and talk about it twenty years of
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  Speaker 11: really understand was happening up.
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  Speaker 5: There, and.
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  Speaker 1: Well I didn't want to let him.
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  Speaker 10: I didn't want to let him, you know, get it
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  Speaker 10: all out up there. You gotta leave it for him.
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  Speaker 3: I was waiting for Fred to like sort of rally
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  Speaker 3: the troops, but I guess evidently he's looking for Caleb
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  Speaker 3: Williams instead.
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  Speaker 11: And uh, you know, to to the point about the
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  Speaker 11: there's a million places to go. But from the point
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  Speaker 11: of the injuries, in some ways, I hope people don't
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  Speaker 11: take this the wrong way because Matthew Judon's meant a
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  Speaker 11: lot to this team the last couple of years, and
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  Speaker 11: I hate injuries for any player, regardless of who it is.
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  Speaker 11: He's thirty one years old, he already was unhappy with
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  Speaker 11: his contract this year, and I'm thinking about twenty twenty
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  Speaker 11: four with this football team, So with him specifically, is
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  Speaker 11: it the worst thing in the world that Keon White
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  Speaker 11: is going to play more and maybe you're going to
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  Speaker 11: see what josh Uja can do as a three down player,
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  Speaker 11: and maybe you know, You'll see what some of the
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  Speaker 11: interior guys like as Sam Roberts or someone like that
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  Speaker 11: can do in the defensive front a little bit more.
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  Speaker 11: At this point, you are looking at the Judan thing
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  Speaker 11: to me as what can we develop for this team
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  Speaker 11: because frankly, Matthew Juan is not going to be on
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  Speaker 11: the next great Patriots team.
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  Speaker 3: So what I would love is for Evan to be
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  Speaker 3: right what he just said in the last minute, Keon White.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see Keon White full time. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: what he is.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I'm afraid of.
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  Speaker 11: It's the same thing Evan said Jilani Tavai and Ferny
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  Speaker 11: Jennings activating Trey Flowers.
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  Speaker 3: If they am afraid of Flowers coming off pup, you
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  Speaker 3: got to get that veteran in there.
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  Speaker 5: This is why we got them.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, if they do, if they go that direction, that
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  Speaker 11: that is another strike to me against the coaching staff
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  Speaker 11: because that is selfish. That that is looking at it
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  Speaker 11: and saying we think that to win on Sunday, Trey
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  Speaker 11: Flowers gives us the best chance to win, and not
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  Speaker 11: looking at the bigger picture of where this team is
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  Speaker 11: heading and how they need to develop some of the
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  Speaker 11: youth on the team with Christian Gonzales. That one has
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  Speaker 11: me in a dark place because that that is like
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  Speaker 11: one of the few players that we could cling to
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  Speaker 11: and say defensive rookie of the month, you know, going
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  Speaker 11: up against toe to toe against these great receivers, and
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  Speaker 11: we could cling to that and say, well, we got
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  Speaker 11: a building block on defense. We have this foundational player
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  Speaker 11: on defense, and him being out for an extended period
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  Speaker 11: of time is is a death blow.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look at the positive on that. But
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  Speaker 3: I agree with everything Evan just said. Maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you get him out, you know, get this year older, healthy,
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  Speaker 3: and get him stronger. Right, he's got to get a
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  Speaker 3: little bit bigger up top and be a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more physical, but tremendous outside.
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  Speaker 5: How about the rookie corners. Did you watch any the
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  Speaker 5: game last night, Witherspoon, Oh.
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  Speaker 11: My god, Yeah, that was his first good game.
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  Speaker 5: No, that was his first great game.
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  Speaker 3: Is well, unless Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were blowing
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  Speaker 3: smoke that Pete Carroll was trying to get them because
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  Speaker 3: they were very complimentary him last night, he was inside
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  Speaker 3: outside doing a lot of stuff, like two really good corners.
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  Speaker 3: Now the other one that was taking a pick before Gonzales.
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  Speaker 3: Emmanuel Forbes has not played very well. He's been very
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  Speaker 3: inconsistent and got torched by AJ Brown on Sunday. But
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  Speaker 3: for Gonzales, maybe you can look at it as okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe protects his body a little bit, gets
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  Speaker 3: a chance to get the surgery, maybe you know, whatever
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  Speaker 3: you have to do for the labor, and then get stronger,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe he comes.
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  Speaker 5: Back better than ever.
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  Speaker 3: But I agree with Evan, that's a like I was
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to watching him play against some of these
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  Speaker 3: receivers over the balance.
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  Speaker 11: Because that's right. You're at a point now where you
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  Speaker 11: have to watch the team for individual players popping like
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  Speaker 11: is it you know this guy might might be for
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  Speaker 11: individual right? And Gonzales was, you know, the one guy
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  Speaker 11: that I felt like we would be able to sink
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  Speaker 11: our teeth into and be like, all right, they got
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  Speaker 11: something here with this number one corner, And now you
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  Speaker 11: don't even and have that. So it's a dark place
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  Speaker 11: right now. I think that the one thing I will
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  Speaker 11: say about watching uh Mac Jones yesterday, I thought that
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  Speaker 11: Bill O'Brien uh talked about it a little bit today.
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  Speaker 11: To me, that was you can say what you want
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  Speaker 11: about Mac Jones's physical tools and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 11: The decision making in that game, for Mac was uncharacteristic
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  Speaker 11: of Mac. He does he doesn't play like that, you know,
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  Speaker 11: because the games.
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  Speaker 1: The game starts out and they go right down the field.
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  Speaker 1: They only ended up with three, but it looked like, okay,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to throw the ball today. It
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: looked that way. And I think Mac, you know, it
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: was the weather was right. You know, I'm joking, but
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: you know, compared to some.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Of them that came out that came out during the postgame.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: You know, And and I think like Mac was feeling
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, and I think that he was making
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: decisions that of things that he can't do that he
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: thought he could in that game, and it, you know,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: resulted in.
• 15:56
  Speaker 11: I think it was even worse than that. Like he
• 15:59
  Speaker 11: he was making this decisions that nobody should be doing,
• 16:02
  Speaker 11: like not not whether it's Mac Jones or it's it's
• 16:05
  Speaker 11: Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or Patrick Mahomes.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: John Elway looked at one of those throws and said, bro,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if I could get it.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I get it because You got to remember, like when
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: he's on the right sideline and he's throwing across field,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that's like a forty five.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Yard but can you imagine doing it twice?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, the first one he got away with.
• 16:22
  Speaker 11: The first one.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: The first one almost had like four different turnovers.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: To I know, but he got away with it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: I thought was gonna cough it up.
• 16:28
  Speaker 11: I thought the first one was in terms of like
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: decision making, was almost more egregious than the pick six.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
• 16:35
  Speaker 11: He threw from the numbers on one side of the
• 16:38
  Speaker 11: field to outside the numbers on the other side.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I mean I just I looked at and reached him
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: like Bourne barely scraped it off the ground.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Then he's biling. You never seen him do that before.
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: And the second one was the hitch, Like he's sitting
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: there like you can't throw that that late in.
• 16:55
  Speaker 10: The down, like the defensive backs just sitting there watching him.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: It was like, what's he gonna do. Bland was like
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: sitting next to him.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But to me, like some people say, well, he was
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: just desperate and trying to make plays. I looked at
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it as like he's actually feeling good about himself and
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: he thinks and he thinks he can do things that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: he can't do in this particular game.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: That particular throw is a throw that he can't make
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: that he thinks he can because he's made it repeatedly.
• 17:21
  Speaker 11: I that game was up there with in terms of
• 17:26
  Speaker 11: like seeing ghosts and then not necessarily seeing the field
• 17:30
  Speaker 11: at all. With some of like the Zach Wilson and
• 17:32
  Speaker 11: Sam Darnold performances I've seen against the Patriots, like the
• 17:36
  Speaker 11: pick six. That on the pick six, if he just
• 17:39
  Speaker 11: throws it with some anticipation at the top of his drop,
• 17:43
  Speaker 11: it's open at the top of the screen and he's
• 17:45
  Speaker 11: not even looking there initially. And they're playing like a
• 17:50
  Speaker 11: quarter quarter half coverage where they have three guys running
• 17:53
  Speaker 11: on the right side of the formation into routes into
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: six defenders. It's clear as day that the one on
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: one matchup in the in the throw, the read is
• 18:02
  Speaker 11: taking him over to the left sideline, so that's it
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: was open initially, but he threw it two and a
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: half seconds too late. Yeah, And I just I've never
• 18:13
  Speaker 11: seen Mac in particular like lose sight of the field
• 18:18
  Speaker 11: like that, like his field vision where his eyes were,
• 18:21
  Speaker 11: you know, where the decision making all of that, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: I think that the one thing that I, if you
• 18:26
  Speaker 11: want to be positive about it, is that was so
• 18:31
  Speaker 11: uncharacteristically awful for Mac Jones, like the way that just
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: his process was just terrible.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And some of it was with Micaeh Parsons out of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's and that's and I watched a bunch
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: of Mac yesterday because and I you know, I know
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: last week we talked about Batard's review, and I gotta say,
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: I don't really I don't really agree that the past
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: protection was the biggest issue for them. I mean, it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: certainly a problem, and there were mistakes, but I must
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: have watched every third down that they had three four
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: times e and Mac was just not in sync drifting
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: into pressure. He was late on a lot of the throws,
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: and I think that allowed the pressure to get to him.
• 19:08
  Speaker 10: But I also just didn't really agree with Greg.
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: I thought they were mean and Nev and I talked
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: about there were throws there to be made if he
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: got it out quick.
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: If he saw it. Yeah, he had Parker on at
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: least two crossers that were there.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Give me something to do this afternoon, read Greg, Well,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and I haven't seen it well, and I didn't.
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: He was more tweeting just about how terrible the past
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: protection wasn't I'm not going to tell you the past,
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: Presesson was saying.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I think two things can be true at the same time, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I looked at it. Obviously, we know how because Mike
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and I did the whole post game show, so I
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: know how Mike feels, and I agree with him. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: think that the pass protection was bad, and I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that he was quote unquote under pressure.
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: A lot, but he made it pert worse.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't to the point where, yes, that's perfectly put,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: he made it worse. It wasn't to the point where
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: he was running for his life and he was acting
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: as if he needed to run for his life. So
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you can have numbers that tell me that he was
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: under pressure fifty whatever percent of the time. I wouldn't
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: argue with that, but I would also so argue that
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: he didn't handle it like I've seen him handle it
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: in the past, to Heaven's point, especially seeing him show better, Yeah,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I've seen him show better poise in the pocket this game.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: For whatever reason, he did not show any poison, like.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Just guessing, we don't. I think it's just unraveled for him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, I just I think he started the press
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: and I think it was just one of those games
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: where he lost it, but but just real quick. Like
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: it had me wondering if a quarterback breaks the pocket
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: and the Yeah, I guess there was pressure there, but
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: he could have just did a little move up and
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: you know, take a little size sep. Do they qualify
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: that as a pressure even if though he could have
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: gotten around, he broke the pocket of his own volig.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I thought there was a lot of pressure.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I thought there was a lot of very quick pressure,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: but not to the point where it should have impacted
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: where his head was going. I thought he was watching
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the rush yep, instead of looking and that's why. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I thought Greg Olsen did a really good job at
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: times during the game of showing you know this, this
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: is an easy little throw right here is a four
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: yard crosser to Devonte Parker was there where he's not
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: like wide open like this guy on him, but that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kind of NFL open. And I thought greg Olsen did
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: a good job of not killing him but saying these
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: these are throws that need to be made. And I
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: think instead of making those throws. He was watching Micah Parsons.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: It was an ongoing listen, he was an ongoing problem.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: He's a great player.
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: It wasn't just him too, I think it was other guy.
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: Like there were a couple of there's one you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: where the guard kind of came across Andrews and and
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: and Andrews kind of took him and was it looked
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: like he might have gotten through, but he was kind
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: of falling down.
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: So it wasn't like he's coming up the middle. He's
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: kind of falling.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: And it was just so many times when like Mac
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: do a little stuff to the left and fire the
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: ball like you know, and it's just it seemed as
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: soon as he felt like there was gonna be pressure,
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: he was out of his mind and doing something.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: The stripsack to me was infuriating, like he's sort of
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: like jogging to the left down near his goal line,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Like do you not think that someone's coming, Like there's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: no there was no awareness.
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: On is coming.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: It's just us.
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: Well that is the point though, is no one is
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: cut like Mac is going to be the quarterback of
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: his team barring injury, Like he's he's going to be
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: the quarterback and to get him back on the tracks
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: here is just it starts with him really getting back
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: to where he was I thought in week one where
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: he did manage the pocket well, I thought, and he
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: did beat pressure by a quick release and getting the
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: ball out on time and those different types of things.
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: In this game, I I I watched the offensive line
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: multiple times through because fifty percent pressure rate from next gen,
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: fifty percent pressure rate from PFF. Other people are telling me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: So everybody was in control. Everybody was in agreement on that.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: There Ever, everybody was telling me that the pressure was
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: was horrible and that on when it was bad. And uh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: you know, Viderian Lowe is he was bad like we all.
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: We all could see that. And and and uh he
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: gave he gave up nine nine pressures in this game,
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: nineteen pressures, seventeen in his two starts.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, sorry seven last week.
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: And uh so he was he was dreadful in this game.
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: But in general, I thought that there was a lot
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: of opportunities to just make some layups and get the
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: football out and get the ball out of the pocket.
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: And he made two of his turnovers were in clean pockets.
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: So you sit there and blame and blame the you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: the pick six, or he's in a clean pocket and
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: he panicks. He panicked, and I just I've never seen Mac.
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: I honestly started to question in the second quarter if
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: you even knew what play they were running like, because
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: when I say that, I mean like, as the ball
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: was snapped, like he lost his mind totally, and you
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: kind of wonder if, like his eyes just weren't even
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: going anywhere, and you just kind of wonder if he
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: just lost all sense of the game at that point.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: So that's why, like when when Mike was talking about
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: all the like, I'm not telling you that I disagree
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: with the rankings, Like I'm telling you that there were
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: plays that pressure presented itself that he just needed to
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: throw the ball, like Evan just explained, he did throughout
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the Philadelphia game where he threw it in like two
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: point oh one whatever seconds on average, And that's how
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: they negated that pass rush is they got it out
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: really quickly. Now, maybe he took a lot of hits
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in that game he didn't want to take any more,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know what the reason is, but for
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, he didn't do the same thing in this
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: game that he has, I think generally, because I am
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: not a believer in mac Jones' future. That's no, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: don't think that's a secret. But I haven't been down
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: on mac Jones to the point where he played on Sunday. Yeah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that's a totally different animal like and he's a better
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: player than.
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: That, agreed, And that's why I think it's And I
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: mean I just to say it, like I acknowledged, like
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: this was, you know, a terrible game for him, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: it's hard because, like you said, Paul, you said him
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: many times like he hasn't really won a game or
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: lost the game, and now this feels like the first loss.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: So you can feel the energy of Patriots Nation being like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: now we have our excuse to say that's it, We're done.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I will say that I did, and I was on
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: the mail bag. I got a handful of those and
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: we never get them.
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And I mean I would say, look, I mean,
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: I'm I'm on Paul's side of the street with us generally,
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: but even I am saying, I think we need to
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: just give him this week to see him have the
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: ability to bounce back, because I think every player has
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: a game like this at some point in their career,
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: and you know, you have to be a little bit
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: flexible with that performance. And you know, I just look,
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: like I said, there's a long season ago. There's no
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: reason to jump off the bridge right now. I mean,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: as much as we all want to, and we've been
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: seeing the same thing. And I'm sure Paul can tell you.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: I was frustrated watching the game, like this is the
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: same thing we're watching over and over again. But it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: just hard to jump off the bridge when they just
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: didn't bring their game. They didn't bring their game in
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: that one. I want to judge them off of one
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: where all right at least likely.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: But if you're the Saints and you looked at that game,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: are you chopping at the bit right now? Yeah and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: saying okay, yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: And that's why I don't know, you know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: And it goes back to like Paul's fifty to fifty thing,
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: where I mean, I'm feeling a little bit down where
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I don't I feel like forty sixty on
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: those games with the Patriots, just because.
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: Of the defensive injuries and all that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: But I think the Saints are kind of a perfect
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: team for this because they they have a respectable defense.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: They certainly have pieces. The Patriots are not going to
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: get handed this game offensively, at least, and I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: that it'll give them a chance to at least go
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: against the good defense.
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: Try to get right, but don't let those.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Weapons on it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I just would like to see the game unfold properly,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: as opposed to like minus three turnals or plus three
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: internal you know, like if I'd like to see what happens,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: just you know, the teams play if they you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: if these two teams want to play close to the vest.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know how healthy Derek Carr is. I didn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: get a chance to watch a ton of that game.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: The final score of that game was deceptive. It was
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: a touchdown game with about two minutes left. Yeah, it
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: was seventeen to nine. But Derek Carr only threw for
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: like one hundred and thirty yards.
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he set a career high for passes behind the
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: line as.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like Camara has everything. I had thirteen
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: catches for thirty three yards. That set a record for
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: the most catches fewish yards in the history of the league. Seriously,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: so I don't know how much of that had to
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: do with his health and how much of it had
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: to do with just their offense is struggling. I know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: my boy, Pete Carmichael is under a lot of fire there.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Former teammate of mine, Fred Every offensive coordinator for the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Saints Boston Park League, Well, he was the offensive coordinator
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: for a long time, but didn't keep playing right now.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: No baseball baseball, Yeah, no, he was a good player.
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: The Bucks played a lot of too high defense and
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: basically just dare Derek Carr to beat them outside the
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: numbers sound familiar.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Now, they had it, but they did have a great
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: deep ball to lave that. I mean, kind of got
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to have that one could have changed the complexion of
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the game. You know, when you when you're that kind
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: of an offense and you're setting up a shot or
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: two and then you get it and then you miss it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: That's how you went up thirty yards and get nine points.
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: I actually thought that they had two that they could
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: have hit down the field. The first one was the
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: drop or ish if you want to call.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: It, was a little late too. I thought he was
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: open and he didn't get it to it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: And then the other one. I just had a really
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: fun time watching Vida veya. My god, is that guy
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: a monster? And he was right in his lap and
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: and car couldn't get enough.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: On It's another team, I mean, we can get to
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: this more tomorrow. Another team with a lot of problems
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: in the offensive line. Caesar Ruiz didn't play because of
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: a concussion. Pete had to leave the game because of
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: a concussion. So those guys may or may not be available.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: They've struggled at right tackle with Penning a little bit too, So.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they're they're image right guard. Their right guard had
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: a really I think that's Ruiz's backup. I believe he
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: had a pretty rough game. I think that, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: for the Patriots offense, it's just if you're out on
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: Mac Jones, like I'm not I'm not gonna blame you,
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: Like I'm not going to keep pounding the table for
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: a guy that clearly just has limitations and and is struggling.
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: But why I'm in such a dark place with the
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: team is because, like, is this going to be better
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: with Drake may next year? Like is that what you're
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: trying to tell me? Like, even if they lose a
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: bunch of games and they get that a top ten pick,
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: like how is it gonna okay unless they change their philosophy?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: This is this is this is what I've been preparing,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: oh prior to because ever kind of opened the door
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to what to say with, you know, like, okay, so
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you get Caleb Williams, how is it going to be
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: better if you stick with the same philosophy. I was
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: waiting for a state and I've come to the point
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: now where when it comes to Bill Belichick, who runs
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: this team, I still think he's the best head coach
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: in the league. I don't know who I would rather
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: have other than him, And I also think he's a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: good GM. But my definition of GM goes beyond just personnel.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's running the whole football. I still think he's one
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of the best. But I believe in twenty twenty four
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: there needs to be what whatever you want to call
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the person a personnel director GM, whatever you want to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: call that, that person answers to Robert Craft and whether
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it's Matt grow or somebody else that they bring in,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we need somebody to head up personnel that answers to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the Crafts Jonathan and Robert and not to Bill. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: obviously they all work together and hopefully and I know
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Bill has to be on board with this, because you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work if he's not. But that's the conditions,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that's the conditions, that's what needs to happen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, It's a really interesting scenario. But what
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I think is is different here. I understand what you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: saying about. Bill has to be on board with it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So let's just we'll play the game and hypothetical it
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: and say Bill's on board with it. Is Bill also
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: on board with changing his philosophy of how do you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: win games? Because if you don't change that, he's not
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: the best.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Head coach in football right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: If you can keep saying that he's and this is
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: not coming at you, we can all keep saying that
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: he's the best head coach in football. But if he
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: really believes that playing stout defense, running the ball, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: being good on special teams is the key to success,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: he's not the best head coach in football anymore.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I And that's a fair statement. And I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: thought about that as well. And you know, part of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this is that you know, Bill O'Brien's still here and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: he's running the offense, you know, but I feel like.
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: It's not enough to have Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien needs
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: the firepower, he needs the pieces. So if this GM
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: could get the personnel in here to make this better
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: and actually allow Bill O'Brien to run an effective offense
• 31:40
  Speaker 13: and not be telling him.
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: To Paul's point that you have to run.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: The ball, right, I think this is Evan's point about
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: like if what changes if it's Drake may or Caleb Williams,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: if you still think you need receivers that block, well.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Listen, you know what I mean. Like, if you're going
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the top five, you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: if you're lucky to have that, unlucky enough to have that, uh,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and your philosophy is gonna be run, run, run, then
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Why why bother drafting a quarterback
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: in the top five. If that's what you're gonna do,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: anyone can hand off the ball. So I'm assuming that
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: if you're making a commitment to draft this guy in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the top five, you're gonna.
• 32:18
  Speaker 13: Use him, yeah, you know, and not only use him,
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: but get.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Some And I know he'll use Caleb Williams. But if
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: he's Caleb Williams, is it's still not gonna be as
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: productive as.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: It could be. It's too if you have this philosophy.
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: Still it's still gonna look bad if you put a
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: rookie quarterback next year behind the line like this and
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: with receivers like that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still got I know, and I know we
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: say the Bill is stuck in his philosophy. I'm saying,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: if right and and right now, it seems that that
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: is what he wants to do. Maybe because he agrees
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: with us that I don't have the right personnel. It's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: we're not that good, you know. And maybe maybe and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: again I'm speaking for myself, Maybe maybe he thinks that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Mac isn't that good, you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: Know, But I we would all agree with him that
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: Mac isn't that good. So why is your answer, Juju,
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: Simith Schuster, and MIKEASICKI like, if you really wanted to
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: win this season, wouldn't the answer be, well, let's look
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: at what Miami did for Tua, or let's look at
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: what the Eagles did for Jalen Hurts, or let's look
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: at what.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: All these others may Jalen Hurts. I'd do the same thing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: I just don't. I'm just confused as to like, if
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: your goal is to win football games. And you think
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: your quarterback isn't all that great, then wouldn't the answer
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: to that be to surround the quarterback with as much
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: talent as possible so that he doesn't have to do
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: as much Because that that's that's what's crystal clear about
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: all this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They don't let me, let me you're right. And I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: think two years ago they attempted that and it just
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: didn't work out as much as they thought it would didn't.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: I wouldn't say no, would they attept two years a
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: two years ago? Those were equate brand firepower.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: They were the top of the market guys. They were
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the best guys.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: If they were the top of the market that market,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: that's right. But they weren't that caliber of player.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: They weren't a J. Brown. And by the way, those
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: are the guys that went in those markets. Yeah, the
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill and DeVante Adams and AJ Brown got traded
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: while you were signing those.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't want to give up the assets they wanted.
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: To get it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: So don't tell me that they did that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, but they also believe that those assets are part
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of building this team. Back to contention, they didn't want
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to give up those assets. I'm just saying that if
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Bill stays, I believe we need a personnel guy that
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: answers to the crafts not to build.
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: But does it just as a response to that, like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: does that give that personal guy control of the ninety
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: man roster?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Because essentially, yes, under your guys, Like that's why I
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: said we have to play it hypothetically. Yeah, so Bill
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: is completely saying, you guys do whatever you want with
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: the personnel.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: No, of course he has input, no, no, but I'm.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Saying that's the only way it would work.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I just don't think he wants to coach a team.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think he thinks that the fancy wide receivers
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: are the way to go about it. Well, and like
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I said the year before, like part of his job
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: should have been to understand where things were going. So
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: just because you got Hunter Henry and John Hi Smith
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and paid fifty million dollars for these tight ends that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: aren't worth that amount of money. They're not the kind
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: of playmakers. The next year you had top flight weapons
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: changing teams, multiple top flight weapons with Brown in hill
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: In Adams and even Hollywood. Brown, for God's sakes, would
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: be an improvement over what you have speed wise, and
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: he like that's part of being a good GM is
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: recognizing where that market's.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Going and going forward. Somebody else would be the ultimate
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: decider of that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: I just don't think he'll be the head coach if
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: that's the way you go.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And that might be true, you might be right, but
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that's what's but I believe that's how you need to go.
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: I don't know, because I still believe.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: He's the best head coach in the league. I do.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I haven't really thought that in a while, to be
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: honest with you. I see other teams that have talent
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that's you know, not as not as great as what
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the Patriots had in their heyday.
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: And that's it for me, Paul, I mean, that's what
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: does a coach do?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: Like if it was coach have said, I said one
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: hundred times last week, is elevate that personnel.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: But I just think it's.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: Funny because we're kind of coming back to the Terry
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: Glenn Bill Parcells craft thing. Like it just sounds like
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: we're going you know what I mean, Like that's that's
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: that's what happened, right well, I mean, but but no
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: one else went and tried to get what happened.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: When Robert Kraft sided with Bobby Greer. He Robert Kraft
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: had a personnel guy, and he said, if I'm going
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to spend all this money to my scouting department, we're
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: going to listen to what they say.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: But I think it comes back to I don't know
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: if you meant to make this point. It's a philosophy
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: with that position. Yeah, I think it goes back. It
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: goes back that far. That's not how you do it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And as much as I love Parcels, Parcels was wrong,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Terry Glenn was how you do it. Now he ended
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: up being right because Terry Glenn wasn't mature enough to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: handle things off the field, but he showed you immediately
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that he could play and was a big part of
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: a team that went.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: To the Super Bowl.
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: I also would just say that to me, it's also
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: not just about receivers. What they've done with the tackles
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: over the last couple of years is malpractice. Like they
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: went into the season with Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: is their top two options at right tackle, and now
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: they have to play a guy that they traded for
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: who is gonna get cut by the team that he
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: was on previously, and Vederian Low can't block anybody again.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: All of the above is why I believe you need
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a guy now who has that autonomy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But I needed to be the coach because I don't
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: trust it's just some random.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Guy to be well in lockstep with the coach.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But that works on a lot of teams.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: No, but I don't think that Bill is gonna be
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: lockstep with mac Growe like, okay, I have control now, Okay,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Now we're gonna do the Evan plan and we're gonna
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: get weapons, So we're going to get tackles, and we're
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: going to get maybe some defensive lineman that can move
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and not just take up space.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think Bill will be on board with that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I just you had a quarterback in mac Jones
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: that has his limitations. We all can see that. We
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: can all tell that he is not going to be
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: the driving force that's going to win you football games.
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: So when you look at his limitations, like the number
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: one thing with his limitations is a lack of mobility,
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: in a lack of arm talent. So what do you
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: need to do? You need to protect him and you
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: need to create bigger passing lanes because he's not going
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: to throw guys open. He's not going to scramble and
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: make these great plays off platform and stuff like that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: So you need to make it easier for him. You
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: need to protect him, and you need to get guys
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: that can get open. They don't have either one of
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: those boxes checked. And so unless you're telling me that,
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: there's so few quarterbacks that succeed pretty much regardless of
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: the environment that they are in. Even this year with Mahomes,
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: he's starting to, you know, feel some of the growing
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: pains of that offense and not having Tyreek and not
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: having all the weapons that they've had in the past.
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: So at some point you have to look at that
• 39:09
  Speaker 11: and say that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But it sounds to me. It sounds to me what
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you're saying is I want a Mike McDaniel Sean McVay
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: type of head coach.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: One.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: You need someone that's what I want. Ben Johnson.
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: Ben Johnson's a good one.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I like the where is he right now? Off?
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: I like Waldron and Seattle too. I think he does
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: a lot of creative him.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Well he was here, Yeah, he was the Cardinals.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: My fear Paul's Wellesley guy from the Cardinals who evidently
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: can light up even the Niners.
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: My guess is that if you have a new coach
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: in here next year, then you're gonna have a new
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: quarterback as well. Yeah, and if that those two things happen,
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: I don't like the idea of a defensive minded head
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: coach developing that quarterback unless you're telling it would be
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: Bill O'Brien. I guess I like that a little bit better.
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: But how long is Bill O'Brien going to be here for?
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: Because if he leaves the guy just like Josh McDaniels
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: did after one year, then.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien already looks like a guy who might be gone.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: In his reports that say that he's sort of in
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: line that Michigan State job.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Oh really, I don't.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: There's just one more thing that I just want to
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: bring up with this, like, cause next year they're going
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: to have at least three openings on their referensive line.
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: They're gonna have no tight ends, and they have remandre
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: As they're running back, and you want to call Kevin
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: Harrison there too.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: But they'll be going into his last year, so there's.
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: Huge lifting to be done outside of the quarterback and
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: the weapons I would, you know, And so in some
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: ways I feel like, oh, it's a little bit of
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: an opportunity, but I also just wonder, like how much
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: resources do you have to add two tackles, some running
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: maybe two running backs, but this is waterbacks, you.
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: Know, Like, this is why I can't spend money on
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: nose tackles and guards, right like, this is why, this
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: is why the resources need to be allocated properly, because
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: there is a lot of things that need to be fixed.
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: By the way Paul, the Patriots have fallen to thirty
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: second in special teams in DVOA, so they are there
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: officially the last place team.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: And funny how finding how Paul was ahead of the
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: curve on.
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: That a lot of that is because of Missfield.
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: I feel like they could have been shipping away at
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: some of this stuff that you that you brought brought
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: up just now, Mike. I feel like, but they've been
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: focusing on other things that You're like, why are they
• 41:13
  Speaker 13: resigning this person, Why are they bringing in this person?
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: They could have been shipping away at some of these
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: holes that are going to be there next year as
• 41:18
  Speaker 13: well as but I think.
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: That they in some ways. I think that some of
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: these positions that they value a little bit more than
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: other people are filled. Like I think that you will
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: have guards because you drafted like sixteen of them, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: you have Cold Strange under contract too. I think you
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: will have defensive linemen here next year that can play.
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: I don't think you need to go out and spend
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: twenty million dollars on a defensive end next year. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: I think that there are places. You know, Grushena Gonzales
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: will be back and will be healthy as your number
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: one corner. So those some of these boxes have been
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: checked already, but they just ignore the other the more
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: important boxes. They they things that they have prioritized are
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: just not things that are worth priorit prioritizing, and and
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: and on top of that, you know, we go back
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: to those Day two draft picks all the time from
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: this past draft. Kean White played nine snaps before the
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: game got out of hand in this game. Marty mop
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: who played a little bit more in this game. But
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: that's a player that's like the fourth safety on this
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: team right now.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: They had and I haven't really know, like key On White,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: at least in his limited snaps.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I notice him. I haven't really noticed much from Mapoo
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: other than him hitting Wattle in the head.
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: They just had they had more pressing needs than than
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: those two positions.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I totally agree.
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: And so now that now they're they're in a spot where,
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: you know, Marty Maphu might end up being a nice
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: player for them down the line. But he's not playing
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: over Jabriel Peppers, he's not playing over Kyle Duggar.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: You know, he's starting now to play over Adrian Phillips.
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: But like he's your third safety at best, Whereas you
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: know with some of the guys that have panned out
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: in the draft, like that could have been Marvin Mims,
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: or that could have been Dowan Jones or that you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: that could have been a player that could help you
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: immediately to.
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: The other receiver, Josh Downs, Like yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I like, but I mean Rice from Knall, who's making
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: some place.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: We're up the edge though, I mean Wucha is a
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: free agent. Judan will now be coming off of major
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: injury at thirty two next year.
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: So that's what you got.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: So that's part of it, Like that, can I know
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot made of they have a lot
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: of money, and they're gonna have a lot of cap space,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and they'll have a lot of money to spend next year.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: But what I worry about is retaining too many of
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: those guys. And I'm not suggesting you let them all go,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: But how much money do you have to eat a
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: way to retain dougg er if you do.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: And to Evan's point, maybe you don't need to. Even
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: though I love.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Kyle Dugar, I think he's a really good player. But
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: maybe if you have Mapu and you know you want
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: to have him have a bigger role next year, you
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: can you can let him go. Yeah, I'm not as
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: high on you a guy as.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: You are, but are you really like you?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Really don't like Petrost I think is just a thoroughly
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: average player who makes a big hit or two every week,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: and he's.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: Made a lot of play since he's been here. I
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: think you're being I thought.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: The play he made on the screen pass two weeks
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: ago was the best player that I've seen him make as.
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: A page of it, poor Randall Cob.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was the best play I've seen
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: him make his I haven't seen a lot of those.
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: Gree To disagree.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean. That's okay, That's what I mean.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: That's what we're all here for, right, We're all we're
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: all here to talk about different things like a when
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: you like, do you re sign him? Or do you say, no,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I got Mafi? I got So one of these guys
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: should be able to be like, that's what you hope for.
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: I think.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, Freddy Guy guy, you need
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: guys to fill in.
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: Fred's GM guy would look at the guard situation and
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: be like, you know, Mafi can play right in. That
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: would be that would be what they would roll And
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: that might be what the Patriots roll with. But are
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: they going to use the ten million dollars of not
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: signing Mike on WINU Like, where are they going to
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: put that money? Because this offseas and they put that
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: money on signing like thirty average players and you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: and not actually moving the needles.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: So that's when I'm thinking about the head. Because I
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: was doing the block, I was getting killed. I mean,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the natives were restless. I mean, I was getting into fights.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: It was terri I wasn't getting in fights. With people's
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: opinion about what we're talking about. It's just the venom
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that they were. And I'm like, people, I think somebody
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: actually screenshot at one of my cars. I said, it's
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: not about who's right or who's wrong at this point,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: why the venom? It's just football, I said, unless your
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: kid's future is tied up in this game, why are
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: we like going nuts here? I mean, it was really
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: getting nasty, you know.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: I guess we're lucky at our halftime talks. They weren't
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: they They weren't you?
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Mike and I had to spin, I know, and I
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: heard it wasn't pretty.
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: Old kids if we're going to get you know, And obviously.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Most of it was Mac. That's where the venom was.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I was pointed, as far as Mac goes, I'm still
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: willing to give it this season.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think you really have a choice.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You know. But but you know what I mean, like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of the fifth year option and all that,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not like, there are people right now that city
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: that's it. He's out. I mean, people were saying cut
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: him after the game. I'm serious, I'm one hundred cut
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: him after the game.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: If you had an option, I could understand that, but
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: you don't, Well, they don't care what I'm saying is,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: but I'm trying to look at it realistically from the
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: other point of view, just because I disagree with it,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be doing that. But if
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: like Will Greer was here the whole year and you
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: just said, you know, we got to get him a
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: chance to play, like I think they have an idea
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: of Zappy. I think they're telling you what they think
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: of Zappy on multiple fronts.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: They've already cut.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Them, and they're bringing in anybody with a pulse to
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: come in and try to be the number two guy. Right,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: it was Matt Corral, it was Ian Book, and now
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: it's Will Greer. Like, clearly they're looking for a number
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: two option that's better than Bailey Zappy. So if one
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: of those guys was around for like the whole year
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: and knew the whole system, I wouldn't tell you that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: that's foolish.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: But you don't have any options. But your options are
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: play a guy that I already caught.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: No, I don't like obviously the who's not ready. They're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: giving up of the season, and they're saying that out
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of spite. You know, they're throwing the baby out with
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the bath wash, bath water. You know so, and I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from, but that's the level that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: we were at. You know, I'm I'm not there. I'm saying,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: let's just see what this kid can do the.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Rest of them, because she sounded like you were there
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: at the beginning of the ship.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, but I can talk about particulate.
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: I'll jump on this grenade.
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: But I mean, I for me, with all the holes
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: that they have and all the conversations we've had about
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: are they realistically going to get Drake? May you know
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: they're not gonna get Caleb in the first overall. Like
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: to me right now where I sit, I still think
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: Mac is a quarterback next year, and you've got to
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: do everything you're saying.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna get Caleb Williams first overall, they're in
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the running.
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: Well, if if he gets to that point, then then
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: now you do it. But I think you keep playing
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: Mac and then you see.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: I think, just being realistic, Fred, I think it's easier
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: to get Fred.
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: You're I think it'll be easier to get one of
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: the top wide receivers, then it will be to get
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: one of the top quarterbacks. And you will never draft
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: a wide receiver in the top that's that's that's fair.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: Never But if you're.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Going with somebody new, just like off the top of
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: your head, don't give it any thought. What do you
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: think the Patriots record will be when.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: The season's over?
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: Eight and nine?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, So that's why you don't think there's any chance
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: to get a quote. I think they're on the way
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: to like a like a five five winning team. And
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: if you are, you're in the top five.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what killed me was losing Judaon and Gonzales
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: because that your defense was your hope. At this point,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: you I'm saying the ceiling right now is six and eleven.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that like that those nine gets.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: So let's don't count Buffalo twice, Miami and Kansas City.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I think we'd all agree. You can pull an upset.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Upsets happened in the league all the time. Arizona just
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: beat Dallas, right, But those four games that gives you
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: seven losses. So the other nine games you have three, Yeah,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: well that's not getting you eight n like seven and two.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: I'm literally all games.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I'm not trying to talk you
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: out of it. Mike, I'm trying to say, like you
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: think they can go eight and nine. I think Fred
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: and I are kind of at the six win thing
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: because when I see nine games that I would say
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: like New Orleans, Vegas, Denver, Pittsburgh, Indye, Washington, you know,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the Jets, the Chargers, and the Giants. Those are the
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: other nine games I see five and four or four
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: and five. I think it's a I think every one
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: of those games could go either way, and when you
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: have a lot of games that could go either way,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: they generally go either way. I don't think they'll lose
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: them all, but I think it's highly unrealistic to expect
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: them to go eight and one in those nine games.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: Well, if they get to go to go nine and
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: eight eight nine, if they get to that point though,
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: they even changes it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: I mean it changes everything.
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: There's not gonna be, you know, a drum breaf beat
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: to bring this team back if they win five or
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: six games this season, I mean it'll be it'll be turnover.
• 50:11
  Speaker 10: I mean, no, it's gonna be the other thing that is.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I just want to fit the other
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: thing that it has me losing my hope a little,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: because remember I started this season with no expectations but hope.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm losing that hope is because
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I don't see what's gonna happen on offense that's gonna
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: fix it. You know, every week so far, I've been saying, Okay,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: this is the week they're gonna start turning things around.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I don't see what's gonna happen on offense that's gonna
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: make things better. I don't see it. Please, someone tell
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: me where the only thing that's gonna happen, but I
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: don't see it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: The only thing that I can give you, because you
• 50:46
  Speaker 11: asked for it, is please. The offensive line should be
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: better than this the Like. I'm not saying that they
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: are going to be an elite, top five offensive line.
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: They should not be the worst offense line in the NFL.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: They just shouldn't.
• 51:02
  Speaker 11: And if you can figure out a better solution at
• 51:04
  Speaker 11: right tackle than Vederian Low and maybe get cold strange
• 51:09
  Speaker 11: to you know, be good. Yeah again or I don't
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: even know if again is the right word. That they
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: should be better on the line moving forward.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, they should be.
• 51:19
  Speaker 11: And if you are, then you're looking at a team
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: that's you know, maybe a little bit more, running the
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: football a little bit better and doing some of those
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: little things a little bit better. And are they going
• 51:29
  Speaker 11: to be explosive and put up thirty points a game? No,
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: of course not so, but that's a place to start.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: You know, there were very few givens when it came
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to the offense going into the season, but one of
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: them was, oh, we think we got a pretty good
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: back of Ramandre Stevenson. But even he's having trouble right now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And you could chalk it up to just the line
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: in front of him, but he just doesn't look right.
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I don't know.
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: I think that there's also just a degree of when
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: a football offense isn't playing well, it all looks terrible, right,
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: looks terrible, right, And you know there's and I'm not
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: saying that they're going to be even good, but it'll
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: be it'll be better.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And that's what you have coaches for, and that's what
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you know, Monday through Saturdays for is to get it's
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: just to hey, let's calm down, let's break it down,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: let's watch exactly what this is, why this happened, you
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: can fix this, you know, I just don't know. On
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: offense what that is at this point or if it
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: can be. But you know, I'll go with Evan. Let's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: say the line plays well. That answers a lot of questions.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: If they can start playing better, that's time, gives maxim
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: time open some holes.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And I think that's realistic. As they play more together,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: they should get better, right. I just don't know if
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: that's the difference between you know, three more scores, four
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: more scores of a game, which they need to do
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: to get to an average level of offense.
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: I think that they need to do something drastic on
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: the offensive line, drastic like kicking on winter to tackle.
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: I think you kick on win to tackle.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, had one of his worst games.
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not worried about him. I think that I
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: think it's getting a little bit overblown how bad he
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: was Collins.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: If he's healthy, I guess supposedly he passed a physical.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I mean that might have been agent speak from his agent.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: I think you're at the point with the other last.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Guy they signed didn't pass a physical.
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: That guy and then Marklin McCall, hello, goodbye.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: It's amazing how he remembers the name he loved that guy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're at the point now where you
• 53:22
  Speaker 11: have four games to judge in two of Darian Lowe,
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: where this this is not the NFL caliber.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: It was like he played like he played left tackle
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: the first game and you're like, hey, like the game
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: didn't fall apart, He's okay, and then you're like three
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: games in a row now, and it just I.
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: Kind of brought it up like it reflects really poorly
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: on Calvin Anderson, who I think we all were kind
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: of like, this is the guy that they're bringing in
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: that they have some kind of designs on because they
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: didn't really sign anyone else. I mean, we know what
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: Riley Reef was, and that's a like maybe hold the
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: fort for a few games kind of a guy. But
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: those are the moves that they were kind of trumpeting.
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: And now that guy can't beat Vederian low out it, right,
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: So you want to give it's a great point. You
• 54:00
  Speaker 9: want to have a little hope.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, a team that lost just coming, a team that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: lost seventy to nothing two weeks ago came back. It
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: came from behind and won a game.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: It was seventy to twenty first of all, but they
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: came from behind and beat a winless team. Okay, but
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: that hasn't won.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: But they didn't collect.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: The last game that team won was was when they
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: be They didn't collapse.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Even when they started, and even when they started losing
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the game after giving up seventy points, you know, it
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: looked like they were gonna it was another one. They
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: still came back. So there's hope.
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: I don't want to get the you know.
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: But we still have yet to see this team be
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: able to do that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: And I have no illusions that what you saw Sunday
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: is what the team is. I don't think it's all
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: but it's not.
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: That was bad, but it's not all of a sudden
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: the two thousand and seven Patriot, like you know.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: But if you're asking if they were playing Buffalo this week,
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: but I give them a chance.
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: No move on, when to tackle? Start mafia right guard,
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: get Cold Strange back at left guard, and let's see
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: what it looks like that those are five offensive linemen
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: that I think are NFL caliber players. I do not
• 54:59
  Speaker 11: think that Vederian Lowe as an NFL caliber player. So
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: at least you have five guys that you know can
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: play at this level. And I'm along with a lot
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: of other offensive coaches that I could call out right now,
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: like Adrian Clem's got to start making his money. Like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 11: you had a lot of injuries, you had poor continuity
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: all summer long. I get all of that, but at
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: some point in time, you're four weeks into the season.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: Now you've had relatively the same group for a couple
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: of weeks. You got to start seeing some results from
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: the line. Because the the run game. I still have
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: scheme questions with the run game, but in general, you
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: got to block some people, like you know that. That's
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: how you get this thing going. It is improve upfront.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, eight five to five past five hundred
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: is the ACE ticket, hutline, web radio at pages dot
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: com is the email address. Obviously a lot of people
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: want to wag in here, So let's get going Collins
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: in Texas. What's up Colin?
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: Hey, guys, just had two points in wanting to end
• 55:58
  Speaker 15: up a positive notice you give me the time. So really,
• 56:01
  Speaker 15: just the first thing I was at the game and
• 56:04
  Speaker 15: just the forty percent Patriots fans, they're just disappointing.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of Patriots fans yep.
• 56:10
  Speaker 15: Yeah, So I mean you're walking around and we were
• 56:12
  Speaker 15: at the game like eight years ago whenever they were here,
• 56:14
  Speaker 15: and we're walking out Canton Brady, you know, going through
• 56:17
  Speaker 15: the halls, and it's just it was glorious and this
• 56:19
  Speaker 15: was one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of what it was.
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: And it's just disappointing too, because you watch that first
• 56:25
  Speaker 15: half of the Cardinals game and they're putting them a fight,
• 56:28
  Speaker 15: you know, and they're they're trying to actively give away
• 56:31
  Speaker 15: assets and build for the future in tank, if you will,
• 56:34
  Speaker 15: and we're we're not even keeping up with that, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 15: and it's just it's.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: A shame.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: And I think that's where where Evan and I started with,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: you know, the Keon Whites and the and the mapus
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: of the world like you can quote unquote tank and
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I know that no one will ever use that word.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: And play your butt off, just like Arizona is and
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: and they're playing really hard, but they've stripped away some guys.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: That might be the difference between i mean winning and
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: losing some of these close games.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: I like to tank, where you're playing players that are
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: promising and you're just like, look, we're just gonna go
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: for it, and a Kem White does what he did
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: last week and rushes upfield.
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: And loses his gap and some you know, they run
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: right by him.
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: All right, we'll live with it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: Let's let them make these mistakes now for the future.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: And the Judon thing that I would worry about is
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: so they gave him a little They give him a
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: little bump this year to get him back in training camp. Right,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: So what happens the year after that, it's the stuff
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: becomes Stefan Gilmour and that guy ends up being gone.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Now maybe in a warped way, the injury helps you
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: there because he's gonna have a hard time saying I
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: need more money when I only played four games.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so who knows what else? Colin?
• 57:38
  Speaker 15: Yeah, And I mean we walked away saying we should
• 57:40
  Speaker 15: have just forfeited, you know, because we would have still
• 57:42
  Speaker 15: had Gonza positive.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Note.
• 57:46
  Speaker 15: I did visit the Hall of Patriots place and just
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: want to let everybody know it's it's all it's cracked
• 57:51
  Speaker 15: up to be. I even ran into Samara and Mike
• 57:55
  Speaker 15: and Paul there.
• 57:55
  Speaker 10: And it was often to you guys, And so you
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: get an autograph from play.
• 58:00
  Speaker 15: So if you're if you're trying to try to get
• 58:02
  Speaker 15: the positivity back in your life. Go to the hall,
• 58:04
  Speaker 15: you know, live through the past joys and you guys
• 58:06
  Speaker 15: are a wonderful day, all right?
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks Bill Peppers exhibit what's that past statue from Chey?
• 58:17
  Speaker 15: So I'll make a quick point, and I got a
• 58:19
  Speaker 15: question for everyone. I'm with you, Freddy, let's crash for Caleb,
• 58:22
  Speaker 15: Let's rip this thing down to the freaking studs and
• 58:25
  Speaker 15: start over. New head coach, new quarterbacks, new GM. Let's
• 58:30
  Speaker 15: do it.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: My question though, is why do you think.
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: And I'm not just our team specifically, but why do
• 58:38
  Speaker 15: you think there's so many injuries in the NFL like
• 58:41
  Speaker 15: over the past few years. Is it because of the
• 58:43
  Speaker 15: CBA agreement and now they're they've practiced year round.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I think the time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 15: Didn't change, like they still have the same amount of time,
• 58:52
  Speaker 15: but before it was you went to training camp and
• 58:54
  Speaker 15: that was it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I think there's always I think, are there any more
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: this year than any other year?
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: Don't know, I'm not that I've clocked.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we do this every year, and I
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: don't have the information in front of me, so Patty
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: could have it right, But I feel like, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: like Tredevious White was like the most recent one.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he goes down with the.
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  Speaker 1: Torn achilles Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 3: But it does seem like there's a lot of serious
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: injuries to you know, high profile players. But I don't
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: think there's any more than normal.
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  Speaker 10: Those two injuries to Gonze, I mean those are yeah, just.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Kind of falling down.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: That's weird, like to me, like the Marcus Jones and
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Gonzales torn Labraham for both of them, kind of that's
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: weird to me.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's funny. There's certain years that like there's
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: a rash of certain injuries. Like one year it's all hamstrings,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: this year it's all arms and shoulders.
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: Remember the thumb year. Those a year where like there
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: were like three or four guys that all had broken Yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 10: it's it's.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Weird how that happens. Sometimes One more and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: go to Paul's Food, Donnie's and Pittsburgh. What's up Donnie?
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  Speaker 16: So mean to me, Hey, thanks for taking the golf thankfully.
• 59:59
  Speaker 16: Still embarrassing films equally this week. So I'm not getting
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 16: bullied out here, Yeah, but I'm just kind of done
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 16: with Mac. He's a college quarterback that's where we're at.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 16: You know, last time I called him, when I emailed in,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 16: I talked about being one for seven on the first
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 16: step drives against the Dolphins. Mack's career conversion rate on
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 16: offensive drives so far including Dallas thirty seven percent. This year,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 16: he's ten out of forty eight for twenty percent. This
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 16: might sound harsh or unfair, but those are Brandon leedon numbers.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 16: Brandon Whedon's two years in the league. He was given
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 16: eight starts his second year before the Browns decide he
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 16: was forty and he was twenty for ninety one that year,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 16: which is the pace Mac is currently on for eight
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 16: games right now. So you know, whether he's the only
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 16: option we have to ride out this year, that might
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 16: just be the reality. But he is not an NFL quarterback.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 16: And you know, even if Zappi is just an NFL backup,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 16: that might be the better option this year. I'll let
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 16: you guys chew on that, all right.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Thanks Donnie. Now, Donnie did his homework.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Toan So I don't know called me in with Bailey's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: app Yeah, I don't know that he's not an NFL quarterback.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a playoff caliber NFL quarterback.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: I'll say that, but what was that those numbers that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Warren sharpatt?
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  Speaker 5: Will you say?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: It's just percentage of drives that end in a punt,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: punt or turnover. And the Patriots are dead last.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and scores their dead last too, like same thing,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: like a number of scores and scoring again.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: I think they jumped up to thirtieth with the giant skint.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe a better offensive line fixes that I'm talking
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: about this year twenty twenty three. But I don't know.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I'm losing hope really quickly about this offense. So all right, well,
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  Speaker 8: Addlo again. Everyone, a very pleasant, good afternoon. Welcome to Arlington,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: Texas at AT and T Stadium for a week four
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: encounter of the one and two New England Patriots. I'm
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: a two and one Dallas Cowboys. Bob soci Witscott Zolackett
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: is great to have you with us. Now. With an
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: empty set on second and four, Prescott thinks the shotgun
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: staff good coveragey roll to Vanier sign and he finds
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  Speaker 8: that open Michael galplow the near sideline. He hurdles past
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  Speaker 8: Ryan at the forty five of New England and eventually
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: Jabrill Peppers shoves him out of the forty so the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: Patriots playing coverage contained. Prescott maneuvers and finds a wide
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: open gallop down the left sideline.
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  Speaker 11: Too much initial time in the pocket.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 18: Really didn't really have to bounce here, but you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 18: Wise gets in a little internal pressure forces him outside.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: That's a big play right there for Dak running gallop.
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  Speaker 11: That's twenty eight yards too easy.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: You know, Pollard in the backfield hands on the east Prescott,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: who with an adjustment at the line, swats under center,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: takes the stat and he hops into Coward on the handoff.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: Hollard strung out, why and tackled by Dugger. The Cowboys
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: stopped themselves before dug every course to take down at
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: the five. It will take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 18: Just nothing but pure stupidity by the Cowboys. Opening driver
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 18: of the game, first and goal inside the tenth quarterback
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 18: running into the back.
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  Speaker 8: You don't know which way he's going, shovel pass, faith throw.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 18: Just he hated to that guy three times.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: What are you doing? And now the former MLS soccer
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: player Brandon Aubrey, who's made his first ten field goal,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: tries the first kicker in the Super Bowl Eras to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: make his first ten attempts to the first three weeks
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: of the season. Onto it ten to twenty eight yarder
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: from the right hatch with a snap to anger the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: swing of the right leg. The kick lifted of the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: uprights gives Dallas the early lead, a field goal, but
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: yet a win of source for the Patriots defense. Time
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: to turn the Cowboys aside and a search for seven
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: What is now a three nothing game. It's a third
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: and six Henry motions rife that gives Joe's three receivers
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: to the right, one Parker to the left. Stevenson steps
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: up inside the left guard as Joe stakes a shot
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: against step pocket holding now Mack rolling left, running downfield,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: Soft passes to a wide up and the Doubles at
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: the party. He stutter stepping a test standing the part
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: side line twenty and the Marios Doubles tumbles out of
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: bounds first down New England.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 18: When that Jones start this game extremely accurate here scrambled out.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: I thought he was gonna take off.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 18: I thought he could have picked it up with the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 18: Cowboys started to close defensively, directs traffic and floats one
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 18: perfected at the Mayo.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: Douglas and then he spits out of the cut. Want
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: to move but again now hell an attempt a try
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  Speaker 8: from the right hash of the nineteen twenty nine yard
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  Speaker 8: at ten Waite's in the Staggers stand staffers in place.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: Kick is airborne to the uprights and the kick is good.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: So Chad Ryland draws the Patriots even with a fourth
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: field goal. In his fourth NFL game, Christian Gonzalez came
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: off the field his right arm tight to his side,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: seemingly injuring his shoulder. He's gone to the injury ten
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: along the Patriots sideline. Meanwhile, in a three to three
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: tight Dallas with Prescott the Lava Dreux left side of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: the end up her Lamb makes the grab. He dropped
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: it into the basket and the Cowboys take the lead.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 10: How do you not go at him?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: Man, you're down to Sean Wade.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I'm out crying on the outside.
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  Speaker 18: You got ceedee Lamb to drump in the bucket for deck,
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  Speaker 18: easy touchdown, pitch a catch man, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be chasing now.
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  Speaker 8: Matt Jones Meanwhile, three for four on the first drive
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: of the Patriots. He'll work under center with Elliott the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: single back behind it. Two tight ends to the right,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: Plufs Born to the right, two receivers wide to the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: left from the ball on and me Hash the right.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: Hash Jones changing the play. Peryl Brown moves into the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 8: back good off at full back hand off to Elliot
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: runs to the right side, dragging a defender forward. Van
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: Dresh had him by the seat of his pants, but
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: Ezekiel Elliott runs it across the thirty four.
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  Speaker 18: Connor second counter of the game. Have one earlier than
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 18: vermondre down inside the red zone. It's good action here.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: Kasiki in the left slot inside of Parker. Henry slot's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: right on the outside Smith Schuster. Elliott starts in motion
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: left and then comes back to Matt Jones back, summoning
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: him with his left hand. Now extending the hands and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: first intent. Takes the snap, dropping back pressure up the middle,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: slings it down middle. Anna passes caught by Kasiki, crossing
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: left to right at midfield, a grab.
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  Speaker 18: Under the rest with hers uncoverage help a little silent
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 18: from here by Mack to avoid the pressure. Pressure comes
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 18: from that left side. I think it was Parks and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 18: Parsons and almost got to him. But it's a good
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 18: catch by Kasiki, dragon left the right.
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  Speaker 8: It's fourth and less than they are, and they're gonna
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: run up where the cush push snapped at Joe and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: he plunges Bour and it's close. He didn't get it.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: He's short. Oh he got it well, the defend from
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: the far side right up. It spotted him short. Sough, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 8: because I'm looking at I'm looking at the replay.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Here the blue I thought the buck.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: No, he's short, is short now. Jalen Mills is in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: the slot cornerback of the Patriots, opposite ceed Lamb Prescott.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: I'm thirty eight being pressured by wy hut the middle
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: and then drive him down and sacked by you.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Jay.
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  Speaker 8: Here you go, Adrians getting to the quarterback for the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: first time today with a sack back at the thirty
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  Speaker 8: three yard line.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic job.
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  Speaker 18: Interior rush right here, y know, you get tied up.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 18: Mills is light setting on Lamb. He gets the jam though,
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  Speaker 18: and I don't know if Dac wanted to go to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 18: him and he came back.
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  Speaker 1: To the left side by that time, it collapsed on him.
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  Speaker 8: That's what you gotta do, That's what I thought you
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: had a chance at. Will start this game. Push head
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  Speaker 8: heeade So a second down in seven, Stevenson stays on
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: the singles back two toight ends stack to the right,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: two receivers to the left. Now Juju starts in motion
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: from the right, rehearsing direction. Jones with a playpits in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: the pocket, pressures from back, starts for voting in their side.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 8: He's sack balls picked up by bad raction. No bootball
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: that scoop and score.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 18: You just said it can't have a turnover down here,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 18: And what do you do? You give up the rush
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 18: on the right side, but carry low gets beat. You
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 18: get tracked out from behind. He doesn't have eyes in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 18: the back of his head. But yeah, no, things are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 18: breaking down around here. Paul gets put on the ground.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: Stoopid score.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 11: Here we go chasing fourteen again, Ross and.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: Now the Cowboys baking for the throw off the staff
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: to the right and lumbering in for the score on
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: a two point conversion.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Wall I'm coached right now, boy.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: While the Cowboys looking to bounce back, and they throw
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: it to Chauncey Golston at two hundred and eighty five
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  Speaker 8: pound defensive end, linking out wide open to the right
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: for the two point conversion dialed up by Mike McCarthy,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: and the Cowboys are rolling in the second. Jones he
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: on the gun. Three receivers left go to the right,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: Mack pressure again, rolls to his right, lips down field,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: holds up, throws back to broth the field. Combine Born
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: on a bottle at the thirty and then he's tackling
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: forward to the thirty five yard line and the teachers
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: throw across the cross. Kendrick Horn makes the play and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: eventually is forced down by Deron Blen.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 18: Playing with fire man, you are playing with fire with
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 18: you go outside the numbers to.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: The right and throw all the way back across the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: grain to the outside of the numbers on the left.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: But you find a way to pick up sixty yards to.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: Convert Patriots having trouble getting lined up, Stevenson has to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: shift to the right of Jones. Three receivers right, one left,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: Mac dropping back ruly life, pulling up looking back those
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: ho Si Pasha say good bye. Ron Bland to the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: thirty twenty to the ten to the end zone. But
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: they tell you about rowing back across the grain.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: You're gonna kill yourself at some point.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: Second defensive touchdown today Aaron Dallas two turnovers converting to fourteen.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: I'm surprised if you shake things.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: Up here soon to give yourself smart.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: Well, he did it against the Giants twenty two yards
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: out against Daniel Jones, and now Den Blan kicks off
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: Mac Jones and runs it in for the Cowboys.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 11: Make a move here.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: I think I'll to strongly consider it. Fourteen off turnovers.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: That's two turnovers by the Patriots quarterback resulting immediately in scores.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: For the Cowboys to kick by Aubrey is good, irresponsib
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: There will get another pass earlier as well that could
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: have easily been nicked off and run in for a score.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: Bland missed that time. Not this latest time. Out of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: a timeout fourth and two, Jones takes the shorter high
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: staff from the gun, throws it to the right, picked
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: off again and get him on their side left, get
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: him out, stepped in front of the intended receiver at
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: the forty five of Dallas, and only a tackle by
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: Smith Schuster prevented another runaway to the end zone.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 18: Telegraph off the back foot, no sip on the ball,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 18: no break by the receiver.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Time to get him out.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 8: Cowboys have not lost back to back games since twenty twenty.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: They lost the last week to Arizona. Refocused and sharp
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: from the outset at start, contrast to the Patriots today
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: tight end to the right, two receivers to the right,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: single back play thing five. Prescott chased by device, crambled
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: to the near side and he's brought down. Jilani stayed
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: with it and he sacks the quarterback at the fifteen
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: yard lives.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 11: Don't call by them, and.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Some silly calls here for Dallas.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 18: Listen as much as they're up, like you got a holler,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 18: you can sneak it twice of him with his legs.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: Three forty one left in the third, Bailey Zappi enters
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: the huddle for the Patriots. They trail the Cowboys at
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: thirty one to three. He replaces mac Jones, who ends
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: the day twelve of twenty one, one hundred and fifty yards.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: Two interceptions at a football law at zappy under center
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: with a change of the play right from the outset.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: Two receivers left short motion by Smith Schuster hand off
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 8: the Stevens at hand in the backfield and Rock tackled
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: inside the twenty eight. That play had no chance. Neville Gallimore,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: you know what's making a hit?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: Dallas isn't even They're not even good on the interior defensively.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: All the strength is on.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: The outside you were getting manhandled.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 18: I mean, how many times have there been contact behind
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 18: the line of scrimmage coming off a week where you
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 18: actually move a lone of scrimmage against the Jets.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: Second down at eleven for Dallas from the twenty five,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: Prescott again under center two, tight ends to his right
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: at third tight end left October in short motion from
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: the lines up over the right tackle give Devance binds
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: away from Judad flooding left though surrounded him. Bentley takes
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: him down with some help on the edge on is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: from another defender Mills. And now matt Judaan has heard
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: I think Keith Matthew Judah, let's not contact face down
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: on the turf. He's grabbing initially as he went down
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 8: his right elbow. This has been a disastros day for
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: the Patriots. They've lost Christian Gonzales and Matthew Judah went
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: back to the locker room with an elbow and drew.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: Their quarterback has been pulled after three turnovers. Rerescott with
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: a handoff on the end a round him. Turpin has
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: a gaping holding the fifty cunning to the forty frock
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: past Dugger chase By at the twenty.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 18: And Miles catches him half the fifteen yard line. He
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 18: punches the ball out and Dallas is more heads up than.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: You are to look at the ball and find you.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: He recovered the Cowboys with a third and goal coming
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: up from the three ball on the right hash Tolbert
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: split outside of the left Turpin on the left slot,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: Cooks lines up over the right tackle, give to Lifty
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: runs up the middle into the en zone. Touchdown for Dallas.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: I'm a second career rush for a hunter loftie.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: The remote start?
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  Speaker 11: Can you start the buses from here?
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  Speaker 8: The rookie Rylan will attempt a fifty two yard field
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  Speaker 8: goal from straight on. Cardono over the football to snap
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: it back to Berringer. Rylan leans forward. The snap of
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 8: the spot drives the kick Saley to the uprights and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: the kick is no good. That guy today for the Patriots,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: they elect to try to kick the field goal and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: the kick was pushed high to the right. No good
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: from fifty two. He's still a thirty eight to three game.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: Another meal down by rush columby fifteen in counting, and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: on top of all of it, injuries to Christian Gonzales
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: and Matthew Judan. The terrific rookie cornerback and the outstanding
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: edge player for the Patriots who's been a pro bowler
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: and his two full seasons for New England to this point,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 8: had a lot of soul searching, no doubt. In the
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 8: next six days before the Patriots take on New Orleans
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: next Sunday, forty two seconds encountering rush to the knee,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: teams off the sidelines, a long walk for the Pats
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: from the near side of the field here at at
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: and T Stadium to complete a long day in Arlington, Texas,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: fright of a long road ahead, with the Patriots falling
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: to the Cowboys thirty eight to three, dropping to one
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  Speaker 8: in three overall this season, Miss Dallas improves to three
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  Speaker 8: and one.
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• 1:16:25
  Speaker 11: Huh the whole dragged out, Yeah, the whole.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Soliloquy afterwards, picture my Bob Socy just you know, every
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: moment of that misery long walk. Yeah, anyway back here
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• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, so we
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: should get right to what I suppose.
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  Speaker 11: No email is telling us for being too negative this week.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, sorry Brian in Lowell, what's up, Brian?
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  Speaker 19: What's up?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Hey? Brian?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: You called us?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, you got it? Now, now's the time where you
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: say what you want to say.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I mean that game was just a brutal game.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, do you have a take?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones needs to go?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: I mean I hate to say the pants fan, but yeah,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: I man, what's what's going with Mac?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 15: But he's just not No.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: I think I don't think he's not getting any better
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: than the last season.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks for the car. I mean, you
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: know you gotta have a little bit more than that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: All right, Christians in Boston, what's up Christian?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 19: Hey, I'll be quick. The whole program's broken, got to go.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 19: I don't think Max is the guy, you know, And
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 19: I called him the off season and said about Bill,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 19: you know, moving off to him. I still thought he
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 19: could coach. I mean, talk about intelf injury with that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 19: field goal in the two point conversion of the other day,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 19: Like that's just just lack of focus and like just
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 19: not I just don't think he's got it anymore, not
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 19: even five ten years ago, like he had it.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 20: He just doesn't.
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  Speaker 19: And I don't know how much money moves to see.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 19: Like twenty twenty, they get blown out at home against
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 19: the forty nine ers. Twenty one, they lose a game
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 19: at a time time game add Indy. Usually they win
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 19: those games. They get smoked in the playoffs by Buffalo
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 19: following year, take your pick. They lose on Thanksgivin Night
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 19: at Minnesota this year. This game, I mean, they're held
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 19: mary away from being one four. There really are.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's crazy.
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  Speaker 19: It's really painful to watch, and I just it's just
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  Speaker 19: so disappointing. Like I don't think they be this bad,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 19: and I don't think they're that bad as they worst Tidy,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 19: I'm with everybody else on that, but they're certainly not
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 19: good enough, you know, to compete. I think that's pretty
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 19: clear to four games complete to be a viable playoff team.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: All right, all right, yeah along those lines. I credit
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 9: to Coda Ranald for asking the question that was in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: my head. I know I've said it to you guys.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 9: But just when Bill got up after that blowoff playoff
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: loss to the Bills and said, you know, is this
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 9: who we are or is this just a bad night?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 9: And Dakota brought that up and said, you know, is
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: this who you are or is this just a bad night?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: And he said, well, we'll see going forward. But the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: point remains, this is the second time in two years
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: that he's gotten up in a press conference and said
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 9: my team was not competitive, you know, I mean, and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: that's as much of an indictment as you can get.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: And you know, people want to talk about he's lost it,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 9: he's lost it.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: I don't know what he lost. I just know that
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: it doesn't seem like they're buying into what he's selling anymore.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 10: So maybe he knows the game well and maybe he
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 10: has the right plan. I just don't know if the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 10: team is listening to it.
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  Speaker 1: He came up and said, you know, I believe everything
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  Speaker 1: he tells us.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't think that's really That's how you took that.
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  Speaker 13: No, that's what a captain is a signed to go
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 13: up there and say okay, but he said it.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I didn't. I did not take Dietrich like listening
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 11: to it. I didn't take his response to that question
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 11: was as a glowing endorsement.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: For Bill Belichick. How did you take it?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 11: I thought that he was looking for the words like.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: That's how he speaks.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 11: No, I've spoken to Dietrich a lot, and I think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 11: that he was trying in his head to make sure
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 11: that he was saying the right things. Honestly, I'm not
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 11: saying that Bill has like lost the locker room. I'm
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 11: not going there, but yeah, but I I we talk
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 11: a lot about like Bill's like philosophy on offense and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 11: like team building and all that kind of stuff. And
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 11: I think something that's like irked me coming a little
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: a little bit off this game is like they've played
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 11: two really good offenses in Miami and Dallas, and I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 11: don't really think they've been particularly good on defense. And
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 11: that's like supposed to be his side to the ball,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 11: and that's supposed to be where like you know, we
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 11: can sit here and still put a feather in his
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 11: cap that you know he can still coach defense. And
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 11: I get it they had injuries in the secondary in
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 11: this game, but I mean, look the same way at
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 11: the beginning. I mean they went right through it, right
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: like right like the opening drive of the game. They
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 11: just go right down the field.
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  Speaker 3: So the opening part of what you guys just said
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: is what I fixate on, you know, like, and this
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: is where I'm going to admit that I some of
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: my confidence in Bill the coach, just the coach has
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: been shaken a little bit, and you know, everybody just
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: just still know what I'd rather have, have a game plan.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: And that might be true, okay, but the consistent pattern
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: that develops in these games is that they do not
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: do not play well early in the game. When they
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: play against a good team that's harder to shut down,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: the other team tends to do their best work coming
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: right out of the shoot. So that's three times now
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: this year that the other team dominated the first quarter,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: first half. Like it's hard to say, like, there's no
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: one I want having a game plan when the other
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: team gets the ball and goes right down the field.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: The first two times they get it in the field
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: goal that they did hold them to the right.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: The Dak and Tony Pollard run into each other. It's
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 11: not like it's kind of like that opening drive win
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 11: with Tua where and he like tripped over himself and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 11: fell down on third down, Like.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 21: But usually those are the hits that I like to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 21: pay and I'm not, like, the defense is not why
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 21: they're losing, and like what I hate the defense been fine, Yeah,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 21: I hate to attack the defense. But at the same time,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 21: if you the formula coming into the season and you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 21: said that, you know, four games in, you'd have two
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 21: takeaways on defense.
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  Speaker 11: Like that, that's just that's not how they need to play.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 11: Like they need to turn the ball over on defense.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 11: I'm not asking the defense to score necessarily, but like
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 11: you need to set up the offense and for Paul's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 11: pick threes and you know, and things like that, like
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 11: that those things need to happen more often for this
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 11: defense and what they have been and they just aren't.
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  Speaker 10: You know, we had a strip eight this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh we gave up.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: A strip eight.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 11: I've never seen that before in my last fallid. But
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 11: that like, it's not the defense's fault and I'm not
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 11: trying to come after that. They've been fine, but they
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 11: needed them to be better than fine.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Right, And I'm just talking strictly being prepared at the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: start of the game. That was one of the things
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: that I had my bad list right sat on Sunday.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: This is a pattern that they're not ready to go
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: when the game starts against good competition, and they're not
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: good enough to overcome a two score deficit against a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: good team on a consistent basis. They just haven't proven
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: to be able to do that. So you can't think Cowboys.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 11: Took them by surprise on that opening drive throwing the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 11: ball right.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: So they you know, God forbid someone who's not a
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: good game planner came out with a better game plan
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: than God's gift of game plans.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah. No, I mean, look, I I'll fall on that
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 11: sort I I said it all last week that I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 11: thought McCarthy was horrible in that game.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: This is not a s I didn't mean to and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: that was that was snarky. I don't mean to be snarky,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: but I do think Bill was excellent at preparing his team.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: But I don't think we've seen that in a while now.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I thought that the Cowboys, they threw
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 11: the ball eighteen times on their first four drives, which
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: they haven't done all year.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: And people are gonna say, well, Gonzalez, no that they
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: came out throwing it.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they came.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: Gonzalez was hurt. They were completing passes right down the field.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 11: And they and they also, you know, to McCarthy's credit too,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 11: because I definitely said last week that I didn't think
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 11: this would happen, to his credit, they knew the weak
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 11: links on the Patriots defense too. They went right after
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 11: Sean Waite. Oh and what else did they do just
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: in general, is they didn't fixate on CD Lamb. Cede
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: Lamb had a good game, he was fine. But they
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 11: were perfectly content to throw drive stars to Brandon Cooks. Yeah,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 11: four targets, four catches, not a ton of yards, but
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 11: like setting up second and three on a consistent basis,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 11: Gallup caught a handful of passes. They used the tight
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 11: end kid Ferguson. I think he was seven for seven,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: seven targets, seven catches. If they'd thrown that one in
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 11: the end zone to him instead of the other I
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 11: who dropped it, they would have had another touchdown.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and even then there was one stretch
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: where the Cowboys all of a sudden started throwing these
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: quick sideline pass like, what are you doing? Look down? Oh?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: I said that they don't need to be doing that.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: The first two drives they went right down the field,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: and the third drive after the failed fourth down, right,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: they tried.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: To throw two quick screens. Why what are you doing?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: Like everything you were doing was working, and.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: It's it's it's quite a contrast on the Patriots, who
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 9: are just trying to execute an offense, not they don't
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: have the ability yet to like attack a week point
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: on another team's defense. It's like they're just trying to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: execute a play on their own without taking that all
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: into account.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it just you know, the prevent defense that they
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 11: played against Miami and then this week just you know,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 11: allowing Sean Wade to get picked apart in the beginning
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 11: part of this game, Like that's all you got, Like,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: that's all you got? You know, I'm this is what
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 11: you're supposed to be selling me on, is that this
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 11: defense is going to be great, and Bill's going to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 11: be great coaching it, and you know all this type
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 11: of stuff, and and all you got is to play
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 11: three deep safeties against the Dolphins and not get blown
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 11: out by seventy Like.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, when was the last time you felt
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: like they really were well coached and executed and prepared
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: for a game that they went out and executed and won.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: You know, It's it's I can't think I'm sure that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 9: there's others, but like, off the top of my head,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 9: that Baltimore rain game where they like did have some
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 9: wrinkles for Lamar Jackson and had like those were some
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 9: of like the better game plans that I remember of
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: Bill from the last like three or four years, where
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: it was like, okay, that was that was innovative, Like
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 9: you played basically an inverted defensive front so that your
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 9: faster guys were out on the edge and you're still
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: you know, like that made sense.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: Like I don't know, but there's a lot of.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Didn't you feel like that particular night it was so
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: bad with the rain that he had to run, like
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: they really had a hard time throwing it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 11: So yeah, but in nineteen they got blown off the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 11: field by by Baltimore. Yeah, and then they had they
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 11: did play totally differently in twenty against but I.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Just think it would have been harder to play that style,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: if they could have thrown the ball the way they
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: normally do. And I know they run first. I know
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: they were even even now they're still a run.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: For I right against Damon's and Maryland. What's up, Damon?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 19: Hang on?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: How's it going?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 22: So I went down to the game on Sunday? Who
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 22: my basketball party as a Patriots fan?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 16: It was terrible?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 22: But two quick questions. So, first, pertaining to the secondary
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 22: after injuries, where's the balance when it comes to talent
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 22: versus experience? I feel like Miles Bryan has the experience,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 22: but is the endless weekly in the defense whenever he's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 22: in the game, versus someone like Mapu, who has all
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 22: the talent in the world and looked lost out there
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 22: at times on Sunday. And Secondly, after a game like this,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 22: is it just better to bury the tape and move on.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: To the Saints? Yeah?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: Well I think they need to learn. Look what the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: problems are.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: What you know, if if mac Joe was not seeing
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: things properly like we sort of suggest, I don't think
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: it's just right to just said, well, just forget about
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: that game. Let's show him like, no mac here right here?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Instead of looking at Michael Parsons over here. Look at
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: DeVante Parker right here, he's open.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: He's a step ahead. Ever the movie you show him.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: You ever see the movie Clockwork Orange where they take
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: the toothpas and they tape his eyelids open. That's what
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you need to do with Mac. I'd like to watch,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: but it's like it's ugly and it's but you need
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: to watch all of it.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 11: But I they I know they did watch it yesterday,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 11: but like at this point, like you do need to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 11: turn the page, like.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: But you have to address what happened.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but it's Tuesday now. I mean, there's no
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: you can't cry.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 11: Back one and bury the ball.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: But I thought they did that already this season. But
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: maybe they did.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 11: They really got a forest of balls, but I I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 11: just it's like a graveyard.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: We're running on the balls.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: It's like the Googling show.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 11: I just still can't get over how poorly he read
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 11: the field. That's like, that's because that's just so uncharacteristic
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 11: of him that it almost wants to make me chalk
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 11: it up to like a one off where you're just like, not,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 11: I'm willing for.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 10: The next five days to kind of take that route because.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 11: I'm no one's saying that they're gonna score forty points,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 11: like no one's saying they're good offensively regardless.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: But but he's not that bad, no.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 11: And just some of the things that he missed are
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 11: just such ma like just easy things for Mac most
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 11: of the time, and it just is bizarre.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Als in Wisconsin. What's up? Al?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 19: Hey, guys doing Evan? How's the how's the pledge to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 19: be more positive on Tuesdays?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 11: Hey, listen, I can They didn't hold up their end
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 11: of the bargain on Sunday. Al, So that's not my fault.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 19: I'm gonna start off a little bit positive. And that
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 19: is with uh with spread bread knows how to rebuild
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 19: a team, Replacing Eric with Evan like replacing Max with
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 19: Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 11: Wow, thank you, it's.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's an insult to Mac, isn't it
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: just kidding?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 19: You want to still the coach though, Like I've been
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 19: in Eldrid sided Street with build a GM for a
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 19: while now, But as a coach, I feel like in
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 19: the past like four years, just watching the games, I
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 19: feel like he's been out coached more often than on
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 19: the other side. Then he's been the better coach in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 19: the game. And you know, I don't know, like I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 19: don't have a name ready for like this is the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 19: guy I wanted a head coach. But but I can
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 19: tell you that if we go into next year with
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 19: all that cap space, with probably a pretty good draft
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 19: pick and whirled this regime running things like I'm gonna
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 19: go into next season and with no hope. Like we
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 19: talked about how you have to have hope at the
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 19: beginning of the season, but we've seen the script for
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 19: the past four years. Now they're a team that can
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 19: beat up on bad teams. Now they might be getting
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 19: worse to the point where it's a coin flip between
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 19: bad teams and they can't beat any good teams. And
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 19: at this rate, like if they're trying to hold on
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 19: the bill for the record or something he needs, like
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 19: I think twenty nine wins and he's had twenty six
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 19: since Bratty left, so that's probably another five years.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: Of this record nineteen yeah, nineteen yeah, or okay, or
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: if you.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 19: Want to be narky, he's currently on pacee to get
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 19: those nineteen to get the record in twenty seasons.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say at
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: this point it could be three seasons this season, next season,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: in twenty five.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but that's like I think you know at all
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 11: saying about this cap space and the high like with
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 11: this regime, it's like that's where I feel like I'm
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 11: in such a disarray with this is because you know,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 11: Mike brought it up earlier, the free agents that they
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 11: have and the decisions that they have to make, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 11: it's like, if you're gonna turn this roster over again
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 11: and basically restart like and maybe even restarting at quarterback
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 11: another three years, and is this the guy that you
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 11: want to do it again with.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem, right, Yeah, that I think they're
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: looking at is I'm not not necessarily sure I want
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: him with that cap space right based on what he
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: did in twenty one or.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 9: Just it's an opportunity too, Like this is if you're
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: gonna hit the reset button, you're gonna have a new
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 9: coach or GM coming in, Like this is an opportunity
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 9: to say, hey, you can basically build the offensive line
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: from scratch.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 10: You can tell us what you want to do at
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 10: tight end.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 9: We got one running back who's in his last year,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 9: So we got to make some moves there. We don't
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 9: really have a defensive end or an edge rusher when
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 9: we have his thirty two with a you know, coming
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 9: off a major injury.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 10: So there's some wiggle room for a new guy to.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 9: Come in as opposed to you know, you come in
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 9: and they're low on cap space, they're in cap hell,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 9: and they've got to cut a bunch of guys. And
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: I'm sure they would cut a bunch of guys anyway, right,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 9: you know, a cap hell, we gotta you know, cut half.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 13: The team Sanders vibes coming in and wiping the whole team.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 11: But yeah, but like that's for our fearless, you know, leader,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 11: mister Kraft. Like, that's the question that you have to ask,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 11: is that if we come into this, you know, at
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 11: by the end of the season and they're picking in
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 11: the top ten and they have to make all this
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 11: roster decisions with the guys already are on the team,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 11: with free agents and all this, like is this really
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 11: you're rebuilding again? You you are you're rebuilding again? And
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 11: and how many more times are you going to let
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 11: them rebuild?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 11: Well four years ago, I mean it's you know, we
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 11: kind of.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: Has had a rebuild now, and I'm okay with rebuilding again,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: but I'm not necessarily okay with the same plan.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: No, Like, I don't want to chuck this failed rebuild
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: if you if it ends up making a fail as
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: just being like pick bad luck.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: This wasn't bad luck, right that that that's yeah, that's
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 11: the way to put it.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Anthony's in Nashville. Hey, Anthony, Anthony, Yep, how you.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Guys doing, Man, We've all been better.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're listening and you know how
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: we're doing.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: It's my second time calling y'all.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 19: I'm pretty sure y'all feel like me, man, But yeah,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 19: I agree with you, Fred Man.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: I agree, man. We got to get somebody that got
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: an answer to the owners.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: I don't think Bill is gonna cut it no more
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: as just you know, handling all the GM position by himself.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: You know, I know Paul always here, he thinks he
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: makes all the decisions. And I don't think that that
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: there's gonna be you know, a good thing moving forward
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: for us. I mean, I believe that Matt could possibly
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: be you know, as good as like an Andy Dalton
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: or something like that, but I don't believe that he's
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: gonna be a top tier quarterback. I believe he's all right.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of where I that's where I thanks
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Anthony uh Andrews in Minnesota. What's up, Andrew? Hey? What's are?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: You want a submarine?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: That's That's exactly what it sounds like it. That's so funny.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 16: I was just wondering, Actually, I just had a question
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 16: specifically for Evan.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 20: I was wondering on that second drawn bland interception, why, why,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 20: in your opinion, why there would be no rub in
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 20: that situation?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 15: What at that point?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 20: I mean, it's just I feel like, how did that
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 20: formation there? Definitely should have been a rub or.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 16: Something to help.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 20: And then also at that point, I would just like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 20: to say shout out to the Booty Clap bandit.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Evan.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 15: You can be on board, but you want.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 10: Booty out there, the Booty Clap bandits.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 11: I mean, tell us about that.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: I'm not a thing.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: It just amazes me how the answer is like rookie
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: sixth round pick wide receivers like that just amazes I'm
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: not I'm not.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: And I'm not suggesting that you like.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: The answer basically dragging his name.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the Booty Clap Bandits are a nice group on
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 11: on the X machine that that really like Kishan Boody
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 11: didn't want to see him out there. I'm not quite
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 11: yet in like Booty territory where we're we're playing guys
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 11: just to play the rookies and see what you.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Know, what you got. And I'm there on Douglas. Enough
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: from Douglas that I need to see more of him.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: I've seen absolutely nothing.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: From It's so funny, but this is this is the blog.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: So Douglas makes his great play next post where's Booty?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, can't we just enjoy what we just saw
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: and said, like, who's the next guy?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: By the way, that was an amazing move by him. Yeah,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: he definitely fell and as he comes out of spin,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: he sees the actually sees the guy coming and then
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: he reverses again.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: He actually knocks himself down though, which was unfortunate, but
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: it was an unbelievable play. Yeah, and we really saw
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: very little of him the rest.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: Of the game, and he didn't I got scared did that?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 13: Well?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: What I'm wondering about is.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 11: He made a big play and can't have a get
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 11: out of there.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 10: He's running too far.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: Evan has taken the mantle for me for most Snarks,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: and this is.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 11: Great, Oh my god, can't do that out running our talent.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: So this is one of another one of the things
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: that I've often been sort of annoyed about, even the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: great Bill Belichick is like, do we have to always
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: have guys that do all of those things? Like we
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: need to kill Harry because he's a four down player,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: like he can block and he could do but maybe, Okay,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: So right now, completely anecdotal, it looks like.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: Ta Mario Douglas doesn't always know what he's doing.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, And I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: right out there and I'm gonna say that's what it
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: looks like to me. He ran right into Born on
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: that play. And maybe they just look at it and say,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: I can't have this guy playing he doesn't know he's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, sometimes mistakes, when you can't move
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: the ball wind up making forty two yards.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: That was a mistake. They made a mistake, and it
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: was the biggest play they made in the game by
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: far second.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 11: Why not just the season, why not just let.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: Him make a mistake every once in a while, and
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: maybe it were like I get frustrated with that if
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: you have a great offense and then you have this
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: young guy that might be able to provide more to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: that offense, but he keeps making mistakes. By all means,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: sit him down. You can't move the ball from here
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: to there without falling down, right, It's like Private Santiago
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: who seemingly can't run from here to they are without
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: falling down.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 11: They can't move the ball.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: They're going the wrong direct. It's twenty seventeen, thirteen and
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: now three they're going in the wrong direction, and we
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: can't find fifty five sixty snaps with to Mario Douglas.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I try to like highlight these things and
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 11: after further of you because people ask me about bour
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 11: and people ask me about Douglas and boring. Maybe not
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 11: as much of this year, but like, why aren't these
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 11: guys playing And the reason why Pop Douglas doesn't play
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 11: more is because the route running issue.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming that that's the case.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 11: It's not just you know that one was obviously egregious
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 11: and everybody could see it because of eighteen plays of
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 11: the play that transpire but there's probably four or five
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 11: times a game where I'm writing down while Douglas ran
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 11: into somebody, or Douglas doesn't really look like he knows
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 11: where he's going, or you know, Douglas is running the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 11: wrong route most likely here, and that's why the coaching
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 11: staff looks at it and says, you know, we can't
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 11: play this guy. But it kind of comes back to
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 11: like Keon White now with Matthew Judon. I know that
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 11: from their perspective, Jilani Tavai is probably going to play
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 11: that spot more fundamentally sound than Keon White, but that's
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 11: not what's in the best interest of the team. Same
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 11: with the Mario Douglas, because Keon White might actually make
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 11: a play in the backfield and not just you know,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 11: set a steady edge and keep the quarterback in the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 11: pocket and like do the things that they want them
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 11: to do. This team needs needs plays, they need impact playmakers,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 11: and some of these guys that might make a bunch
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 11: of mistakes might also make a forty two yard catch
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 11: and that's how they have to live right now.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 9: I think the offense is going to be better this year,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 9: but do we have a conversation about what if the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 9: offense is really not all that much different than.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 10: What it was last year with Matt?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: What if it's worse? Like, what if it's it's worse?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 11: Like, so what does that?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: What does that look like?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, was it a we were too harsh on
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 10: Matt Patrichol last year or is it just the players?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 11: And this is what it is?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: He doesn't last, he doesn't deserve you, and we weren't
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: too harsh on him last year, but there hasn't been
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: any better.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 13: Think it's how Evan described it. Would you describe it
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 13: like the pig scenario that you used?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, put the lipstick on the face.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 13: That's why I think the problem is.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 11: I also just like quickly on the on the offense,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 11: like the receivers and the route running. I I I
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 11: was already on Troy Brown last year, like I was
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 11: already on this, Like I am I I am so
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 11: far out on Troy Brown wide receivers coach, Like they
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 11: make more poor route running miscues than any team that
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 11: I watch on film every single week, Like, for example,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 11: just run the route to the sticks? Like can we
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 11: run the route to the sticks? It's third and fifteen
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 11: and Juju runs a fourteen yard route and Mac makes
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 11: a good throw and.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: He fell down as he was catching it too.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: I'll leave that part up that this was sort of
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: where my phrase accidental offense. He really came to the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: forefront in this game. It was Douglas running into Bourn
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: and creating a forty two yard play. It was Juju
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: falling down for that catch. It was thrown across the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: field to Bourne who scrapes it off the ground and
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: somehow bobbles it three times with four guys all over
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: him and he doesn't lose it and they get a
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: first down.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: Nothing, I mean, aside of maybe a couple of passes
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry, nothing looked right.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 11: They have poor route running receivers. Their receivers are bad
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 11: route runners. And at some point, yes, that's like a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 11: personnel evaluation of the receivers and who the guys they
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 11: are that bring in. At some point you have to
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 11: look at the coaching like what I know for a
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 11: fact it is a Zappi In the game, the game
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 11: was out of hand. DeVante Parker had a twelve yard route.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 11: He ran it at ten yards and got tackled short
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 11: of the sticks and put them in third down. It's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 11: a twelve yard route and he runs it at ten.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 11: It's third and fifteen and you're running it at fourteen.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 11: And this happens all the time. You know, the caller
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 11: asked about like the rub out of the bunch. They
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 11: were supposed to be a rub. They just didn't execute
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 11: the rub right, So like it just these are Howard,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 11: this is two three years now of the same sort
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 11: of just sloppy receiver play.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: I'd kind of put Juju in this category two of
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: like are you doing what's best for the team or
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: are you doing what's best for the guy you signed
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: this offseason because it's just four games in a row
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: where he's on a different planet with what they're doing.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: He doesn't look explosive.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: I mean, if there's somebody, I don't know how long
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: they can keep trying to trot him out there and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: every week he's willing to talk and it's like five
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: targets won't catch what happened.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 10: Like, I think he's one of those guys too.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Let's get to some of the emails. A web radio
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: at pages dot comy and says, so the team's one
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: and three, perhaps that's more than they deserve. Quarterback as
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: a wet noodle for an arm, but what he lacks
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: in physical gifts he makes up for with questionable accuracy
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: and subpart decision making. The coach seems to have lost it,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: but plenty of people improve cognitively in their seventies. Luckily,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: he hasn't let his ego get in the way of
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: him adapting his football philosophy and doing what's best for
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: the team. These past five years, I'm starting to think
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: that the head coach and the GM really don't get
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: along with each other. Why else would the GM give
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: the coach such a rag tag bag of jags to
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: mold into a team. And sure, the defense are down
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: to the top four corners and have probably lost their
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: leader for the season. But do you know what I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: like to tell myself in troubled times such as these,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: no one is coming. It's up to us.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, it's kind of weird, how like last week it
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 9: made no sense, and now after they have two major injuries,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: it's kind of like, all right, now I get it.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: But you know what, like the injury thing to me
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: is like those two on Sunday like sort of snap
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: me in the face too, Like you know how you
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: just sometimes you have those years where like you know,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: everybody's just getting hurt, and like every you think you're
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: getting a guy back, someone else goes out. This just
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: seems like one of those years, which sucks.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 10: Because it's week four and it's the realization of thirteen
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 10: more weeks.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to like besunshine dot com, like
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: they'll make fun of me tomorrow for being like, I'm
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: not trying to tell you that's why they won in three.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: That's not why they won three.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Like I think we all know, like the offense hasn't
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: been good enough, but I do feel like every step
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: they're going to try to take forward, it seems like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: there's gonna.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 10: Be Trent Brown's gonna get hurt.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be an injury coming back. You know, DeVante
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: Parker's nowt had Trent Brown great out in that game,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: So was he ninety eight again or whatever he was?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 11: He was fine, but two weeks in a row on,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 11: you know, he's gotten the much easier matchups. I think
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 11: picking this was.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 10: Kind of fun. I went into the real super slow
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 10: mo with his uh that false start he kind of had.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 11: They didn't call him for it, but it looked like it.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 10: It wasn't a false start.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, No, it was right on the ball.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I was in there, like up.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: I thought there was one that he was offside, but
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: I didn't think there were a lot of them there.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: Usually there's like five or no.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: So I know it was just that one happened.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 10: To watch it, I'm like, Wow, he is moving at
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 10: the exact moment.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, even the one he got called for last week.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 11: I had to go frame by frame because it was
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 11: that close.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 10: It's it's a missing is that like or is that
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 10: like a like a you know, Cadence thing where he
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 10: kind of is.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 11: I don't know, they'll never tell us because that's that'd
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 11: be given away to give.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 11: I mean, he he's really he's really freaking good at that.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 10: But I I just this big leg comes kicking out.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 10: It's hard to miss.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam and Dublin. If we don't believe in top
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks because you can get a guy to run
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: the system, why do you then refuse to adequately invest
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: in the system O line and pass catching resources and
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: a total letdown of drafting and free agency of the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: past three or four years.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: So I think that he thinks that they have the pieces.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: I think that's where That's why I'm worried about what's
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: he saying.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: Do you still continuing?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 11: Do you still think he does I do.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: I think he thinks it's on The players are not
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: for a lack of execution.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 11: But I definitely think he thinks it's on. He he
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 11: harps on turnovers like it's like they're the most important
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 11: thing in the world, and they turnover differential is a lot,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 11: very indicative of wins and losses. There's no doubt about that, obviously.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 11: But if you the game that he loved was last
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 11: week against the Jets, I guess two weeks ago, now,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 11: you only scored thirteen points on offense. He came out
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 11: after the game and said, we're not gonna win very
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 11: many games only scoring fifteen points. But the second no turnovers.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 11: That was like the whole thing.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: If you're playing on the edge of the way they
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: do all the time each week, turnovers are a bigger deal.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: The Rams are in the bottom of the league in turnovers,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: but they make plays to overcome it.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: We can't over Turnovers are obviously huge, well.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: They are, but sometimes you can overcome it. But making
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: your own pay Yeah.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 13: I mean, I mean, look at Mahomes like some multiple
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 13: interceptions still wins the game. Same thing with Josh Allen.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 13: He always has multiple interceptions, but he still has the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 13: ability to make a play to win.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: But if Bill knows, he'd never admit it. But with
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: this talent, we can't overcome them ever, so we have
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: to always be better.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: But I don't I would never make fun of a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: coach for stressing no protecting the ball. I think that
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: that's a wise way to put it. One of the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: easiest ways to lose games is by turning the ball over.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't, and I know this is silly. I don't
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: think they lost thirty eight to three. They would have lost.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: Twenty four to three, right if they didn't turn the ball.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: They got thoroughly all played in that game.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: It didn't make it.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: And I think to sit there and just harp on
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: turnovers all the time and try to convince yourself we're
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: not that bad.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: We just keep we'll just keep turning the ball over.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: You're losing.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Like the forest through the trees. They need to be
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: able to move the ball and score points. They don't
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: just have to punt it, which, by the way, they're
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: also lasting the league in that Yeah, right, net punting.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 9: And that's also just ignorant of what we've been watching
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 9: for three years. I mean, this is the same thing. Like,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's why so many people, including us, are
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 9: kind of apoplectic. It's like, how many times do we
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: have to keep having the same conversation over And you
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 9: start the season and you have some hope and you
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: think it might be a little bit different.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: We got an offensive coordinator, maybe he'll pull it all together.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: And yet but and then at some point you have
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: to look and say, why are we turning it over?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Is it because our quarterback feels he needs to make
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: plays in this.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: In this game, your quarterback was reckless with Yeah, that's
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: why you're trying.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, why why are we constantly losing
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: the turnover battle?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 10: And you know, and why are we watching our point
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 10: production go out?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 11: I mean, like that's the thing is, Like I I
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 11: do believe in the old saying of like you gotta
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: stop beating yourself before you can start tuning, and they
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 11: are beating themselves with the turnovers. Even I know I'm
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 11: on a record of saying I don't think that they're
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 11: that they're self inflicted wounds. But regardless, they're they're killing
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 11: themselves with the turnovers. But you had a turnover free
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 11: game against the Jets and you only score thirteen points.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: That's my point.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 11: Where does it get you?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: If they lost Sunday thirty eight to twenty seven, I
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: would say the turnovers with that was the.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: Difference, right right? But three points, I mean it was
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: over ten to three like that.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: They and they have so let's just say, for arguments sake,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: instead of the strip sack on that drive, they just
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: go three and out and punt. Do you not think
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: it would have been seventeen to three the way the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: game was going, They're punting out of their end zone.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: They're gonna take over at midfield. The Patriots had just
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: stopped in the previous possession for the one stop they
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: got in the first half, I gotta think Dallas was
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: gonna go down the field and score.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's just the way it means what they did.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: There's no guarantees to it, but I just think putting
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: everything on the turnovers as being the reason is very shortsighted.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Ryan says, I wish this email was more positive, but
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just ready to scrap the whole experiment, Mack and all,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: from the drafting of Cole Strange to the signing of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Juju over Myers. I think it's time to sell everything
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: and restart. The team has a clear talent issue from
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: all over the roster, and I think they need to
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: accumulate draft capital and spend every cent of that seventy
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: five million cap to get this roster back on track.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's just as frustrating because after twenty twenty one,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: you felt like they had a base line to build
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 9: off of, and you know, it's all right. They they
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 9: weren't great, they got blown out, but you felt like
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 9: we turned the corner and we're not gonna be one
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 9: of those terrible teams in there's just been so many
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: bad decisions and bad players signed that haven't produced in
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 9: bad draft picks. You know, that was the point where
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: you got to comment, not perfect, but you have to
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 9: have more hits than strikeouts, and right now, looking at
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 9: what they have, they have strikeouts.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 10: But it's not only that they're doubling down on.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: Guys like Godshaw and Parker, and it's like they're saying
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 9: to us, these are the guys we want.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 10: We got them and we want them.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: He's not that he's not a nice I was.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 8: That was just for you.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 11: I would also just like caution against like spending the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 11: money in free agency again, I know, because that the
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 11: way to to acquire real talent is to trade for it.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 11: Now you have to. If you're gonna require t Higgins,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 11: they're gonna franchise tag him probably to keep him under
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 11: team control, and then they're gonna trade him on the tag,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 11: so you're gonna have to trade for him. You're gonna
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 11: have to trade for Jerry Judy, You're gonna have to
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 11: trade for anything that's gonna move the needle. The guys
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 11: that reached free agency, I think we learned the last
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: time around.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 11: You know, maybe you get a Jude On and you
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 11: get one really you know, impact player out of it,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 11: But for the most part, it's gonna just be guys
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 11: that are going to fill in the roster and give
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 11: you some experience. That's all well and good. But to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 11: go out and spend top of the market money again,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 11: I just don't. I don't think is the way to
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: get see.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do it either.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: The way they did it the last time, the way
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: they did it the last time has kind of been
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: proven is a quick fix. It's gonna make you better immediately,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: and then you're gonna regress. And that's and everybody said, well,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: that won't happen with the Patriots, that won't happen with Bill,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: and it happened.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: It's exactly what happened. It gave you an.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: Influx of talent in the immediate and it allowed you
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: to win some games, and then you immediately regress back
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: to what you are. I like free agency to fill
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: a very specific need. I don't want to have like
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: seven eight guys signed to to Fred's point, at top
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: of the market money, Like, people have this impression that
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: because they got all these guys, they weren't the highest
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: paid guys. I mean, we remember some of the comments
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Boren, why did you sign here? They offered me
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: the most money. Yeah, you know, the two tight ends
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: with the highest paid tight ends in football when they signed, Like,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: they didn't get these guys on the cheap. And I
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: think if you identify one guy to your point, like
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: in the trade market, if you identify Devonte Adams and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: you say, I'm going to give him one hundred million
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that, like just like I was fine
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: with Stefan gilmore like one guy. But if you want
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: to just try to like get five or six guys
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: and you expect them to all hit, that's very unrealistic.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Andrew and Bradford, My biggest issue with the team is
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: that they are built just good enough to be bad
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: teams and backups. This leads to seven backups. This leads
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: to seven and nine to nine win seasons, putting you
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: in NFL purgatory.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're there.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Any results this season against non playoff teams won't change
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: my feeling on the team in a positive light. If
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: the goal is to have Bill get the wins record
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: as a Patriot, that's fine. I can understand mister Kraft
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: not wanting to see another Patriots legend obtained an all
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: time NFL record with another organization. I'll cheer hard for
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: every win that gets them closer to it, but I
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: am more excited for the team to actually commit to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: rebuilding to a new future. I want the team to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: look outside the organization for the next head coach, Me too,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: and entire staff. Bill's organizational philosophy has only worked with
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady. His record without Tom and the history of
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: his coaching tree failures show me enough. I do not
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: want to hire a McDaniels, Patricia Judge, Flores Mayo, Bill O'Brien,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Steve Belichick or any of that ilk to take over.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: It's clear from players around the league that style of
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: coaching is not enjoyable to play under. It only gets
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: buy in if you're winning, and has only proven successful
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: with Tom. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I would
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: just like to see the organization change to be offense focused.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 10: Bad I think everybody's on board with that.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 9: I just I mean, do you guys think there's a
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 9: chance that the Crafts would allow Bill Belichick to stay
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 9: here the next three seasons winning five, six seven games
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 9: through the next three years.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 13: I don't think, based off what we've heard in at
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 13: the owners meetings, No, it's.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 10: A hard sell.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: I think they'd have to really completely collapse, and I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: think it would have to be more off the field.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: I'm worried about that.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: I am. I don't think so. They're paying him as
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: the head, the best head coach in the league, and
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: they expect better results. It's a results based in business.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: I agree with that mentality.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 10: I mean, what do the fans get out of Bill
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 10: Belichick breaking the record? Like you know what I mean,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 10: I don'tbody clamoring for that, Like I don't get it,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 10: you know, I don't know.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think you get any buzz out of it
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: For three years.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 9: It's bugging when people call that like Bill just wants
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 9: to win the record, Like I'm like, okay, but like,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 9: you gotta win games, Like it's not like you can
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 9: just screw around and win the next whatever it is
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 9: eighteen games that he is away, Like, you have to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 9: get good and win a lot of games to break
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 9: the record out of all right.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Let's quickly get through some of these calls, please have
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, first, so I want to thank everyone, whether
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: whether you're upset or optimist, it doesn't matter. You're engaging
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: with us, you're listening. I appreciate that there's tons of
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: emails that we didn't get to. I apologize for that.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: We could do a five.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: Interaction today and that's what.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: We need, and we wouldn't get through everything even if
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: we had five.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: No one's bailing Fred, I like it.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Let's let's get to some of these calls. We'll get
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: this done. Uh, now, do is in Chicago? What's up?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 19: Hey?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: This is my first time following Thank you a fan
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: of your talk show.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 23: So good, right, And I think one of the reasons
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 23: the offense is Charlotte this year, it is because he
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 23: lost Yakobe Myers. He's our only man beater and in
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 23: our third and you know four and five situations that
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 23: doesn't really have anyone to go to.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: And if they do, miss I'm interested.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, when do you think Bill is going to
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: be getting Milie cunning in?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 22: Man?
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  Speaker 7: He's our only QB that has any shot of like
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  Speaker 7: a ceiling the Highed that Bailey Zappy or mac Joe's
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  Speaker 7: or Bigree or whatever. I mean, he's I know, he's
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  Speaker 7: like found drafted rookie, but you know, he has much
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  Speaker 7: more talent.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he does.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he has a higher ceiling than any
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  Speaker 5: of those guys. I really don't don't. I think he
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  Speaker 5: can run.
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  Speaker 1: I think this year he'd be more fun to watch.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's different.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know about that though.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think he has a higher ceiling, high
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  Speaker 5: ceiling at all anything.
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  Speaker 11: And he's gonna be trying to run for his life
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  Speaker 11: and they can get killed as much as they definitely
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  Speaker 11: missed Jacoby and we were dead wrong or I was
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  Speaker 11: dead wrong. I was about the Jacoby move. But like
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  Speaker 11: they were really like a great team against man coverage
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  Speaker 11: even with j No, but he was the only one
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  Speaker 11: that had gave him right right now, they're I mean,
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  Speaker 11: they're probably a little bit in.
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  Speaker 1: A game this season so far, they couldn't have used
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  Speaker 1: him if.
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  Speaker 11: I if I put the stats up though of like
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  Speaker 11: them against Man last year and then again against Man
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  Speaker 11: this year, Like they're they're pretty much the same.
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  Speaker 1: Bet Josh as an Arizona what's up, Josh?
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  Speaker 24: Hey, yeah, thanks for taking my call. What what are
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  Speaker 24: you guys thinking about taking a of the Jets and
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  Speaker 24: get a veteran like her cousins is a free agent
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  Speaker 24: man just for.
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  Speaker 19: A couple of years.
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  Speaker 24: And on top of that, you know, we got Cam
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  Speaker 24: Newton for the chief, why not get car Wentz for
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  Speaker 24: the chief of the backup?
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, let's just say they do turn it around
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  Speaker 1: and it's not because a Mac, you know, and they
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  Speaker 1: end up eight to nine, right, they're not in the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback running. I could see bringing in a veteran quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Just Ridge quarter I'm not a crazy Yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: completely against signing Cousins.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it'll happen. But I am a thousand
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  Speaker 3: percent against signing Carson Wentz as a backup. I think
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  Speaker 3: if you, if anybody has watched Carson Wentz played the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: last couple of years, no one would want I mean like,
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  Speaker 3: which is why he's unemployed.
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  Speaker 11: If you're talking about you're going to have a new
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  Speaker 11: quarterback that's a rookie and you want to sign like,
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  Speaker 11: that's why I'm not a post a veteran guide to
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  Speaker 11: In case you need to bridge the gap a little bit,
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  Speaker 11: then fine. But for the most part, most of these
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  Speaker 11: rookies play right away that are good and should be
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  Speaker 11: playing right away.
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  Speaker 13: I know that.
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  Speaker 1: But what if you're not in the running for one
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  Speaker 1: of them?
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  Speaker 11: You have to win a lot more games than we
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  Speaker 11: all think they're gonna win.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I would just argue that I think you've
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  Speaker 3: seen a couple of bridge guys that they're not going
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: to get their teams to the promised Land, like Gino
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  Speaker 3: Smith and Seattle, even Fred's guy Baker Mayfield in Tampa.
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  Speaker 3: They have three and one like so you can sort
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: of remain relevant and find a way to you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think kirk Cousins could be three and one.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not with the four games that they played this year,
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  Speaker 5: but I think kirk Cousins can be Okay, while you
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  Speaker 5: wait for you know the answer, like, if you're not
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  Speaker 5: in position to get a quarterback, I would rather watch
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins play next year than Mac Jones if it
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  Speaker 5: continues like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Ok, thanks Paul, But I don't think it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: That's my point.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, William? Another person in the submarine? What's going on?
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if it's our phones? Oh yeah, okay, well
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  Speaker 5: all right, I can't hear will will all right.
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