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- 0:03Speaker 1: From The Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Thursday, May 28, 2026. The big business lobby has
- 0:13Speaker 1: declared war with Labor over the budget, vowing to oppose
- 0:17Speaker 1: any capital gains tax reform beyond housing and warning international
- 0:22Speaker 1: investors are already being turned off Australia. That story's live
- 0:26Speaker 1: now at theaustralian.com.au. Along with our rolling coverage of a
- 0:31Speaker 1: budget the government thought would be a lot more popular
- 0:34Speaker 1: than it is. She's the mining billionaire with big ambitions
- 0:40Speaker 1: above the ground. Jenna Reinhart has been revealed as the
- 0:44Speaker 1: financial backer of a big new buy-up into Seven, the
- 0:48Speaker 1: media group controlling TV, radio, podcast and newspaper publishing assets
- 0:54Speaker 1: across Australia. This is Reinhart's third foray into entertainment. So
- 0:59Speaker 1: what's the end game? The journo with the ear of
- 1:02Speaker 1: all the billionaires, John Stenzelt, is here in just a moment.
- 1:15Speaker 1: John Stenzelt is the Australian's lists editor, and we're talking
- 1:19Speaker 1: today about a new huge move in the business of media.
- 1:22Speaker 1: Gina Reinhart, who has stuck her toe in the water
- 1:26Speaker 1: of being a media titan from time to time, seems
- 1:28Speaker 1: to be back with the revelation she's financing a new
- 1:33Speaker 1: shareholder in one of the country's most influential media groups. John,
- 1:37Speaker 1: what's going on? What is Gina Reinhart up to?
- 1:40Speaker 2: Well, it involves another colourful media character, Bruce McWilliam, who's
- 1:44Speaker 2: Channel 7's old commercial director and one of Kerry Stokes'
- 1:47Speaker 2: confidants for a long, long time, right-hand man, consigliere, however
- 1:51Speaker 2: you want to describe him. He's been buying shares in
- 1:54Speaker 2: Southern Cross Media, which is now the owner of Seven
- 1:57Speaker 2: and Radio Assets. And so we knew that, but it
- 2:01Speaker 2: turned out to... This morning at the ASX, there was
- 2:04Speaker 2: an announcement that came out saying that Gina Reinhardt was
- 2:06Speaker 2: actually behind Bruce's shareholding. So, in effect, she's lent the
- 2:10Speaker 2: money to Bruce. By the way, Bruce is quite wealthy.
- 2:14Speaker 2: I don't think he needs the money. He does need
- 2:16Speaker 2: to be lent the money anyway. She's lent the money
- 2:18Speaker 2: for him to buy pretty much 10% of Southern Cross.
- 2:20Speaker 2: So there's all these questions now. What does she want
- 2:22Speaker 2: to do? How is she involved with Bruce? What does
- 2:24Speaker 2: Bruce want to do? Where does Kerry Stokes stand? There's
- 2:27Speaker 2: a lot of colourful characters, as there often is in media.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Once upon a time, Gina Reinhart owned a pretty big
- 2:33Speaker 1: share in Fairfax Media, which is now Nine's newspaper business.
- 2:37Speaker 1: She's also been an owner of Channel 10. Her time
- 2:40Speaker 1: at Fairfax came to an end in a bit of
- 2:42Speaker 1: a dispute about the level of control that she wanted.
- 2:46Speaker 1: There were reports at the time that she wanted editorial control.
- 2:51Speaker 1: Fairfax journalists were out fighting today, claiming Gina Reinhart could
- 2:56Speaker 1: soon be telling any reporters who were left what to write.
- 3:01Speaker 1: She certainly wanted seats on the board of Fairfax. Now,
- 3:04Speaker 1: she's denied that she wanted to control the direction of
- 3:07Speaker 1: those newspapers, The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald. What's
- 3:10Speaker 1: your sense of what she actually wants now? Do you
- 3:13Speaker 1: think she wants meditorial control at seven?
- 3:15Speaker 3: She certainly wants to say in things I would say.
- 3:17Speaker 2: I mean, look, there was even rumours, I remember quite clearly,
- 3:20Speaker 2: that she had approached some other billionaires to take out
- 3:23Speaker 2: The Age. Can you imagine The Age being owned by
- 3:25Speaker 2: Gina Reinhart and other billionaires? I mean, it's quite amazing, right?
- 3:28Speaker 2: It certainly did happen. Look, there's all sorts of interesting
- 3:31Speaker 2: permutations to this. There was a theory that perhaps under
- 3:35Speaker 2: Southern Cross's new board, which is about to, some of
- 3:38Speaker 2: it's about to get turfed, that they were interested in
- 3:40Speaker 2: selling off West Australian newspapers, which would be the West Australian.
- 3:43Speaker 2: One theory I've been told though, you'll love this, that
- 3:46Speaker 2: perhaps Andrew Forrest was a potential buyer or had been approached. Now,
- 3:50Speaker 2: I think as a lot of people know, Twiggy and
- 3:53Speaker 2: Kerry Stokes have not necessarily seen eye to eye.
- 3:56Speaker 3: So maybe there was.
- 3:57Speaker 2: A play where, you know, Genick rides to the rescue
- 3:59Speaker 2: with Bruce McWilliams' help to keep that idea at bay
- 4:02Speaker 2: and to keep.
- 4:03Speaker 3: A newspaper's hands out of Twiggy.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Now, I'm not 100% sure that's the case, but these
- 4:06Speaker 2: are the sort of incredible rumours that start swirling around
- 4:09Speaker 2: these characters on these sorts of days.
- 4:14Speaker 1: They're so interesting, these West Australian billionaires, Kerry Stokes, Andrew
- 4:18Speaker 1: Forrest and Gina Reinhart. I think, you know, you could
- 4:21Speaker 1: probably say that Andrew Forrest is on the left wing
- 4:23Speaker 1: end of the spectrum in terms of political thought. He's
- 4:26Speaker 1: more woke than the others, although, of course, he is
- 4:28Speaker 1: a mining billionaire. I run Australia's highest growth company, highest
- 4:33Speaker 1: shareholder return company in Australia's stock exchange history.
- 4:37Speaker 4: And we're going fully green because it's good business.
- 4:41Speaker 1: And that Kerry Stokes is somewhere in the middle. Vote
- 4:43Speaker 1: for Luke. Liberal, vote Labor, vote Greens, but don't vote
- 4:48Speaker 1: for these fringe dwellers because they're destroying our whole process.
- 4:52Speaker 1: And that Gina Reinhardt is pretty conservative.
- 4:54Speaker 3: There's no one more right-wing than Gina, I reckon, in
- 4:57Speaker 3: this country.
- 4:58Speaker 1: I was trying to be so diplomatic, but... She'd admit that.
- 5:02Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:03Speaker 1: I mean, she's proud of that. She's proud of her values.
- 5:05Speaker 1: She's lent her jet to Pauline Hanson. If you are
- 5:08Speaker 1: going to try and say that, you know, I'm being
- 5:11Speaker 1: funded by Gina Reinhardt, the answer is no. She has
- 5:14Speaker 1: been a supporter of Advance Australia and I think she's
- 5:18Speaker 1: been pretty vocal about her views about traditional Australian values
- 5:21Speaker 1: as she would see it.
- 5:22Speaker 4: There are many, many businesses that fail. And I think
- 5:27Speaker 4: that if you're interested in just doing this part-time work-life balance,
- 5:32Speaker 4: not working public holidays or weekends, as I said, there's many,
- 5:37Speaker 4: many businesses that fail. So starting a business mightn't be
- 5:42Speaker 4: the best for you. I mean, I only wish there
- 5:45Speaker 4: was less government tape because that makes it a lot
- 5:48Speaker 4: easier for people starting and running businesses.
- 5:53Speaker 1: Ideological kind of tone of the West Australian, the Sunday Times,
- 5:57Speaker 1: which are the newspapers, Seven Network and the radio assets,
- 6:01Speaker 1: Triple M and the Hit Network and Listener, the podcast network.
- 6:04Speaker 1: I mean, none of those are particularly ideologically strong in
- 6:08Speaker 1: either direction, are they? It's not like the Sydney Morning
- 6:12Speaker 1: Herald and The Age, whose critics would say are pretty
- 6:15Speaker 1: woke and left-wing and progressive people. I mean, if Gina
- 6:19Speaker 1: Reinhart did have an idea of exerting some kind of
- 6:22Speaker 1: editorial control, what would that be?
- 6:25Speaker 2: Oh, look, I don't think any newspaper in this country
- 6:28Speaker 2: is necessarily too conservative for Gina. And I'm even talking,
- 6:31Speaker 2: you know, the conservative newspapers that we know well, the
- 6:33Speaker 2: business-focused publications, they're probably still not conservative enough for Gina.
- 6:37Speaker 3: So I think there's, look, she's already got a commercial relationship.
- 6:40Speaker 2: She's had a commercial relationship with Hancock Prospecting and Advertising
- 6:44Speaker 2: you know, with the West. I'm not saying that she's
- 6:45Speaker 2: about to take it over and then, you know, be
- 6:47Speaker 2: in the newsroom every day, because that would drag her
- 6:49Speaker 2: away from spending time at Mar-a-Lago, which is another place
- 6:52Speaker 2: that she likes to go to. So look, I think that,
- 6:55Speaker 2: you know, she'd certainly like some conservative coverage out there.
- 6:59Speaker 2: She has political bent, as we know now, you know,
- 7:02Speaker 2: when it comes to, you know, next elections, but whether
- 7:04Speaker 2: they're state-based or the federal one in a couple of years' time.
- 7:07Speaker 2: So she has a certain view of the world that
- 7:09Speaker 2: she would like to be seen to be out there
- 7:11Speaker 2: more often. Now, look, whether she'd go all the way
- 7:15Speaker 2: and actually take her business over, I think that's an
- 7:18Speaker 2: unanswered question. She's certainly got enough money, right? She's got
- 7:21Speaker 2: enough money to take 10% of it herself. She doesn't
- 7:23Speaker 2: need Bruce McWilliam for that. So there's some sort of
- 7:26Speaker 2: ducks and drakes going on here, I think, with what's
- 7:28Speaker 2: going on in the background. But she has a certain
- 7:30Speaker 2: view of the world and she believes that view is
- 7:33Speaker 2: right and she'd like to see more of it out there.
- 7:38Speaker 1: Bruce McWilliam is an intriguing personality. I think most journalists
- 7:42Speaker 1: in Australia have received an angry call or a text
- 7:44Speaker 1: from Bruce at some point over the years, usually very
- 7:47Speaker 1: strongly defending Seven's interests in the days when Kerry Stokes
- 7:51Speaker 1: was the main owner of the network. He was kind
- 7:53Speaker 1: of the attack dog really of Channel 7, wasn't he?
- 7:55Speaker 1: And if you were doing a story that was in
- 7:57Speaker 1: any way critical of Seven, you'd get a furious call
- 7:59Speaker 1: from Bruce. What do you think he's up to?
- 8:02Speaker 2: I've once been the recipient of some advice that went
- 8:05Speaker 2: to a former boss of mine, where Bruce recommended me
- 8:08Speaker 2: for a redundancy program that was going at the time.
- 8:10Speaker 2: But no, look, Bruce, I think, also sees an undervalued asset, right?
- 8:14Speaker 2: The Southern Cross share price has been going down. He
- 8:17Speaker 2: is a big believer in free-to-air television.
- 8:19Speaker 3: He knows Seven so well.
- 8:20Speaker 2: He loves that place, right? He really, really does. Look,
- 8:23Speaker 2: I think there's a bit of nostalgia involved. Bruce is
- 8:26Speaker 2: making good money in Sydney real estate, seems to be
- 8:28Speaker 2: doing up half of the eastern suburbs at the moment.
- 8:31Speaker 3: He's doing very well.
- 8:34Speaker 2: Being in the media what he wants eventually is a
- 8:37Speaker 2: board seat at southern cross he actually wants to be
- 8:40Speaker 2: chairman i think as well he's got some plans there
- 8:43Speaker 2: i've got no doubt he's probably sending messages left right
- 8:45Speaker 2: and center to people that are you know in at
- 8:47Speaker 2: seven now giving them ideas giving them his view of
- 8:50Speaker 2: the world as well so look he wants to be
- 8:52Speaker 2: involved he wants back in he loves it and i
- 8:55Speaker 2: don't think he can see uh you know part of
- 8:57Speaker 2: his life where it doesn't involve.
- 8:58Speaker 1: Seven And finally, John, what is Kerry Stokes doing? Is
- 9:01Speaker 1: he really retired? Is he behind the scenes of this
- 9:04Speaker 1: Bruce William thing? How does the Gina intervention reshape our
- 9:08Speaker 1: perception of that if it does?
- 9:10Speaker 3: Look, they have to be very careful, right?
- 9:12Speaker 2: I mean, seven group holdings, which is the listed entity,
- 9:15Speaker 2: still has 20% in Southern Cross, but he can't be
- 9:18Speaker 2: seen to be, and Bruce can't be seen to be,
- 9:20Speaker 2: you know, consorting with him as well. So they can't
- 9:21Speaker 2: be seen to be in concert with each other. They've
- 9:23Speaker 2: got to be independent. There's some tax implications to that,
- 9:26Speaker 2: why they have to be, you know, stay apart. I
- 9:28Speaker 2: think they have so far. I think the wrinkle with
- 9:30Speaker 2: that is that, you know, Kerry clearly loves Severn as well, right?
- 9:33Speaker 2: I've got no doubt about that. You know, even if
- 9:34Speaker 2: he said he's out now, he's not the chairman anymore.
- 9:37Speaker 2: Does Ryan Stokes like it as much as Kerry does?
- 9:39Speaker 2: I don't think so. You know, what does that mean
- 9:41Speaker 2: for the future? I suspect that, you know, Ryan sees
- 9:44Speaker 2: it as a very, very small part of the family
- 9:46Speaker 2: assets these days, but, you know, probably still 99% of
- 9:49Speaker 2: its problems.
- 9:50Speaker 1: Zooming out, John, I know I said that was finally,
- 9:52Speaker 1: but I was lying. We as journos, we care a lot,
- 9:55Speaker 1: of course, about what they might call legacy media assets, newspapers,
- 9:59Speaker 1: radio stations. TV stations. These are where journalists are employed
- 10:03Speaker 1: and we get to do the kind of journalism that
- 10:05Speaker 1: we believe in. Is the intervention of another billionaire into
- 10:10Speaker 1: the media landscape in Australia in this way and the
- 10:13Speaker 1: intervention of Bruce McWilliam a good thing for journalism, do
- 10:17Speaker 1: you think? Are they the kind of people who would
- 10:19Speaker 1: be replacing journos with AI chatbots or not?
- 10:23Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Bruce knows what AI is, actually.
- 10:25Speaker 2: I can only imagine what his text messages would be
- 10:28Speaker 2: like if he uses it. I don't think so. Look,
- 10:30Speaker 2: they're very passionate people about the media. Now, if that
- 10:32Speaker 2: means that they're going to invest in it or find
- 10:34Speaker 2: some sort of investment, then I think it's good.
- 10:36Speaker 3: Look, I mean, overarching, though, free-to-air, it's a tough game, right?
- 10:39Speaker 2: I mean, what rates these days sport and big events and,
- 10:43Speaker 2: you know, some other big shows, and.
- 10:44Speaker 3: That's about it. It's really tough.
- 10:46Speaker 2: What headway can they make in turning that around? I'm
- 10:49Speaker 2: not too sure, but at least they're passionate about it
- 10:51Speaker 2: and they do have very deep pockets. But as you know, Claire,
- 10:54Speaker 2: billionaires don't like to lose money.
- 10:56Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think it will have any implications for
- 10:58Speaker 1: your annual The List Australia's Richest 250?
- 11:02Speaker 2: I think it's a very, very small part of Gina's
- 11:05Speaker 2: asset base. She has a lot of shares these days
- 11:07Speaker 2: in a whole bunch of things, including Trump media, by
- 11:09Speaker 2: the way. So she's still dabbling in the media from
- 11:12Speaker 2: time to time.
- 11:13Speaker 1: John Stenzel, thank you very much.
- 11:15Speaker 3: Thanks, Claire.
- 11:23Speaker 1: John Stenzelt is The Australian's lists editor and covers business,
- 11:27Speaker 1: billionaires and big deals every day at theaustralian.com.au and The
- 11:33Speaker 1: Australian's