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"Grift in Ukrainian Energy? Surely NO!" (Monday November 17, 2025, Hour 1) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Q on A needs a know basis, because you need
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  Speaker 1: to know the first thing today.
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  Speaker 2: George said to steal me stem you have a day
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  Speaker 2: at least for work.
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  Speaker 3: When the sun comes up, drops a pet of this
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  Speaker 5: Let it be Joe.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for letting me be of service to you
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  Speaker 6: this morning. I want to be four three four eight
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  Speaker 6: at least some semblance of younger people say, because we
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  Speaker 6: will tell you what went on, and we will tell
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  Speaker 6: After we go through what went on, and then I
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  Speaker 6: want to find out how it's impacting you where you
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  Speaker 6: are this Monday morning as we gather back together Ukraine
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  Speaker 6: in the spotlight, and I will remind everyone because there's
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  Speaker 6: a thing of stereotypes exists in many cases for a reason.
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  Speaker 6: But if you spend any time with me in the morning,
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  Speaker 6: I think you should know we tack our own course.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes it falls in line with what people consider traditional
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  Speaker 6: conservative talk radio. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I'm out here
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  Speaker 6: ahead of everyone else because I don't care. I'm not
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  Speaker 6: looking to be invited to a club. I'm not looking.
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  Speaker 6: Although I would not turn down an opportunity to broadcast
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  Speaker 6: from the White House. But when I see these guys
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  Speaker 6: and they all line up and they're in the some
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  Speaker 6: ante room in the West Wing and they're all broadcasting
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  Speaker 6: from there, I'm like, Okay, that's great, But what do
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  Speaker 6: you have to do to get that? That's always my
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  Speaker 6: question is what do you have to do to get that?
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  Speaker 6: And it's with that that I will remind you that
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  Speaker 6: for I think the entirety of the time, the word
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  Speaker 6: Ukraine has been commonplace in the commentariat. I have said
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  Speaker 6: to you that my position on Ukraine and Russia is very,
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  Speaker 6: very specific. You don't have a right to invade someone
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  Speaker 6: else's country, a country whose boundaries you agreed to entreaty.
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  Speaker 6: I had this conversation over the weekend in the Golden
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  Speaker 6: toilet controversy. Now that's what they're calling it. I'm not
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  Speaker 6: sure what somebody in the news and can we get
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  Speaker 6: the word toilet in here? Again? We're all middle school
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  Speaker 6: boys really at heart. I was now told that, oh, well, Russia,
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  Speaker 6: so that treaty under duress. They didn't really mean to
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  Speaker 6: give up, you know, sovereignty over Ukraine. They only did
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  Speaker 6: it because they felt like they had no choice. And
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  Speaker 6: I mean that's a provable point, but it could have
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  Speaker 6: been proven, you know, half a decade ago before the
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  Speaker 6: tanks started rolling towards the Crimean border. If that's your
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  Speaker 6: defense now, I mean it strikes me as it's throwing
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  Speaker 6: pasta at the wall to see what sticks. But I
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  Speaker 6: have also maintained that Ukraine's government is three to ten times,
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  Speaker 6: depending on the division, more corrupt than Russia's, mostly because
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  Speaker 6: Putin has a much firmer grip on his wandering oligarchy
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  Speaker 6: than vlad Vladimir Zelensky Voladimir. Sorry, I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: dead name him, although although that might not be the worst.
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  Speaker 6: Let me give you the details on this. Ukrainian leader
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  Speaker 6: Zelenski battling a controversy over a former associate who has
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  Speaker 6: been accused of embezzling one hundred million dollars from their
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  Speaker 6: energy sector during the war. Timor Mindish is that Mindik,
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  Speaker 6: who was once a business partner with the Ukrainian president,
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  Speaker 6: is identified by their anti corruption watchdogs as being the
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  Speaker 6: orchestrator of a scheme involving top officials in the state
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  Speaker 6: nuclear power company. Mindage allegedly exerted control over loyalists, who
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  Speaker 6: then pressured contractors for energy Energo Atom. I should have
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  Speaker 6: checked for them, is Energo Adam. I'll go at them
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  Speaker 6: Ukraine's state nuclear power company. How about we just call
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  Speaker 6: it that for now and figure out how it's supposed
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  Speaker 6: to be pronounced. They apparently demanded kickbacks to bypass bureaucratic obstacles. No,
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  Speaker 6: that would never happen. The kickbacks were reportedly as high
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  Speaker 6: as fifteen percent. President Donald Trump said Sunday that Venezuelan
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  Speaker 6: President Nicholas Maduro wants to have a talk with the
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  Speaker 6: US as tensions mount and the USS Gerald Ford and
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  Speaker 6: its attack squadron arrived in the ocean just off the
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  Speaker 6: Venezuelan coast. Trump stressed that he has not planned or
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  Speaker 6: authorized any land based military strikes against the nation. On
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  Speaker 6: Air Force One heading back from merri Lago, Trump said
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  Speaker 1: The First Thing Today by Joe Thomas on the Tunk
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  Speaker 7: I'm afraid of the Russians.
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  Speaker 11: I can't sleep at night.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so afraid of the Russians, afraid we've got to fight.
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  Speaker 13: I'm not leaving until I get justice.
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly justice, I suppose more like preferential treatment.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm not leaving nil I get that's the way
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  Speaker 6: it goes. There's two eddies and currents in the issue
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  Speaker 6: with bureaucracy number one. Bureaucracy is job killing, inhumane, dictatorial,
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  Speaker 6: anti capitalist, anti freedom, but it's also the well my
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  Speaker 6: friend Chris Horner calls it the world's second oldest profession,
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  Speaker 6: and very much like the world's oldest profession. It involves
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  Speaker 6: you giving somebody money for something that they don't have
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  Speaker 6: to give you the grift that bureaucracy creates. And I'll
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  Speaker 6: be the first one to tell you if you want
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  Speaker 6: something for nothing, you're going to have a bureaucracy. If
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  Speaker 6: I use this example frequently, and I know it may
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  Speaker 6: be arcane, and maybe you've never asked for a public
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  Speaker 6: service announcement to be broadcast over a radio station, but
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  Speaker 6: I know this scenario and I will be the first
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  Speaker 6: to tell you that there is a bureaucracy that's involved
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  Speaker 6: with getting a public service message broadcast or even published
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  Speaker 6: in a newspaper. Let's say you have an announcement, a
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  Speaker 6: wedding announcement, or a nonprofit a gun buy back. One
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  Speaker 6: of our local flagship cities is having one of them
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  Speaker 6: gun buy back things going on this weekend. I think
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  Speaker 6: I think this weekend coming up is a big nationwide
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  Speaker 6: gun buy back thing. The ad Council sent me a
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  Speaker 6: public service message that they're actually paying one of our
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  Speaker 6: networks to air. The AD Council is taxpayer money that
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  Speaker 6: goes to buy airtime on radio stations and radio networks
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  Speaker 6: to push public service announcements. But to get your public
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  Speaker 6: service announcement promoted and pimped out by the AD Council,
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  Speaker 6: you have to go through a bureaucracy. You have to
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  Speaker 6: prove that your event organization, whatever, is worthy of free broadcast.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm using this this is an example that you
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  Speaker 6: might grock. So in order to get a just from
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  Speaker 6: my standpoint, if you wanted a public service message broadcast
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  Speaker 6: by me, you would have to prove that you are
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  Speaker 6: legitimately a nonprofit and that you are the person who's
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  Speaker 6: got the decision making authority, because well, just look at
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  Speaker 6: the swatting that goes on. You know, anyone can call
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  Speaker 6: and say, yeah, yeah, we're having a big yard sale
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  Speaker 6: at the department store. Everything is you know, raising money
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  Speaker 6: for the Blue Ridge Food Bank. So the Food Lion
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  Speaker 6: grocery store is going to be knocking fifty percent off
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  Speaker 6: all food that you buy. And if you broadcasted that
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  Speaker 6: without proving it, I'm using that as an example for
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  Speaker 6: any of my friends who are running a food line
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  Speaker 6: right now. I'm just using that as an absurd reaction
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  Speaker 6: and example. So you have to if I just broadcasted,
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  Speaker 6: that would be irresponsible. So I have to install a
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  Speaker 6: bureaucracy in place of commerce. See if a grocery store
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  Speaker 6: chain wanted to advertise they were doing that, they pay,
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  Speaker 6: They've given me cash out of their pocket, and I
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  Speaker 6: broadcast their announcement. That's the commerce, And in place of commerce,
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  Speaker 6: you have a bureaucracy, and that's how it becomes job
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  Speaker 6: killing and economy stifling, because it just becomes a weight
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  Speaker 6: on everyone's back. Everyone's looking for something for nothing, and
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  Speaker 6: the trouble is that people will sell access to that
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  Speaker 6: something for nothing. And that's what we're seeing in these
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  Speaker 6: allegations for the Ukrainian Watchdog group is that the crippling
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  Speaker 6: bureaucracy of a Western European socialist government is so onerous
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  Speaker 6: that a guy can profit fifteen percent markup and it's
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  Speaker 6: worth you to spend fifteen percent more than it would
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  Speaker 6: cause nominally just to be guaranteed that you get approved
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  Speaker 6: by the bureaucracy. This is the nuclear energy division of
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  Speaker 6: Ukraine's government, and I mean, certainly none of the other
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  Speaker 6: energy sectors in Ukraine's government would ever, ever be susceptible
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  Speaker 6: to corruption. Why we inserted the son of our own
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  Speaker 6: president onto the board of one just to make sure? Right? Hunter, God,
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  Speaker 6: what a mess. And you know, I know people, but Joe,
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  Speaker 6: I thought we were one of those you Tkrainian guys
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  Speaker 6: support Ukraine. I support Ukrainian citizens fighting back against an
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  Speaker 6: invading army. And I still say that they are a
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  Speaker 6: lesson smacking us in the face over why we have
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  Speaker 6: the Second Amendment. If we're not smart enough to realize it,
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  Speaker 6: that maybe we don't deserve the Second Amendment protecting our
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  Speaker 6: right to defend ourselves from out of control governments, whether
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  Speaker 6: they be our own or one invading from the north.
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  Speaker 6: But I have never, ever, ever, ever, And I challenge
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  Speaker 6: I challenge you to go find me someplace where I
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  Speaker 6: deny the fact that Ukraine's government is as corrupt as
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  Speaker 6: the day is long. These guys make the Chicago mobs
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  Speaker 6: of the thirties and forties, al Capone sitting there saying, Geez,
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  Speaker 6: I should have gotten elected mayor it would have been
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  Speaker 6: a lot easier. It's the same thing with the corruption
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  Speaker 6: in our own law enforcement because these political appointees running
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  Speaker 6: the FBI and the CIA wanted to protect their jobs.
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  Speaker 6: When when little Barry Setero called them from the Oval
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  Speaker 6: office and said, hey, I want you to find me
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  Speaker 6: something I can use against this Trump fellow, they said, okay,
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  Speaker 6: what should we call this operation? Well, Watergate has already
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  Speaker 6: been taken, so how about you use crossfire hurricane and
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  Speaker 6: if you if you can't find anything, let's see if
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  Speaker 6: we can push them around enough to make them do
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  Speaker 6: something dumb because they don't know what they're doing. And
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  Speaker 6: when I call it corruption, there's so many different deafen
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  Speaker 6: missions of what it has been corrupted. Either the mission
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  Speaker 6: has been corrupted, or the payment schedule has been corrupted,
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  Speaker 6: the decision tree has been corrupted. Somewhere the process of
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  Speaker 6: deciding what's right and wrong has been corrupted. Now the
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  Speaker 6: question is did what did Zelenski know and win? But
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  Speaker 6: this guy used to be his business partner. I guess
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  Speaker 6: in TV from what I'm looking at and it was interesting.
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  Speaker 6: Is you know the same people who you would run
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  Speaker 6: to a Michael Cohen, Oh Trump's guy did this. They're
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  Speaker 6: they're really weirdly quiet about this, and we'll continue to
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  Speaker 6: poke with your thoughts four three, four eight eight two
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  Speaker 6: That's right. The grift inherent in the system is you
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  Speaker 6: a Ukrainian corruption watchdog. Wonder either one of two things
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  Speaker 6: may vary about this group that claims to be the
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  Speaker 6: we'll come get you in six months, or they just
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  Speaker 6: don't have enough hours in the day to cover it all.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, why would you need a corruption watch dog
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  Speaker 6: job to watch for the place's corruption wasn't taking place?
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  Speaker 6: And I say this because I believe the Ukrainian citizens
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  Speaker 6: deserve better. But it's not surprising that this guy is skimming,
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  Speaker 6: apparently selling access to the decision makers amongst Zelenski's intersphinctom
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  Speaker 6: of you know, fifteen percent markups kickbacks to his company
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  Speaker 6: in order to get them deals with the Ukrainian state
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  Speaker 6: owned nuclear power company. So I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 6: procurement if right now the details right now are sketchy,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's procurement, whether it's contracts to do work for them,
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  Speaker 6: because you know, there isn't there isn't a sector of
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  Speaker 6: Why should we be worried about you know, nuclear power
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  Speaker 6: we have history with that kind of thing. Hm. Oh yeah, no,
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  Speaker 6: I understand. Pripiat was considered part of the Soviet Union
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  Speaker 6: more likely mushroom cloud shaped, So it really wasn't Ukraine's fault,
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  Speaker 6: except they were all Ukrainian appointees of the Russian bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 6: Then nobody running there was ever given that position as
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  Speaker 6: a nuclear power plant. In this this is always what
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  Speaker 6: happens when you take the individual insertion out, So a
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  Speaker 6: It's being made by Hey, this guy just gave me
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  Speaker 6: fifteen percent markup on the contract, so can he give
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  Speaker 6: it to him? And there's no allegation at this point
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  Speaker 6: that this guy Mindic, who was just Voladimir Zelenski's business
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  Speaker 6: partner prior to him becoming president of Ukraine, was sharing
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  Speaker 6: any of the money with the president. But apparently he
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  Speaker 6: was able to get access to government people. And remember
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  Speaker 6: And social differences in our society. Yeah, you tell them, Dennis,
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  Speaker 6: do you want something? Government's going to do it for you,
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: And we'll do it for you better if you cut
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  Speaker 6: us a little bit off the top. And this this
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  Speaker 6: text message I think speaks clearly to it. Joe, you
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't go hiking a mountain without a native guide. Why
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  Speaker 6: shouldn't you pay a little extra for somebody to help
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  Speaker 6: you navigate the bureaucracy? You miss the point I'm saying
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: that we have these bureaucracies because politicians can't help themselves,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: but try to make it seem like their position is
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: going to create the answer to a problem that wasn't
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: their creation in the first place. And if it was,
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: I've got a better answer to fix it, and it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't involve them doing more things. So this story out
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  Speaker 6: of Ukraine is also a powable into what's wrong in
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: the United States, where the government class jealously guards their fiefdoms,
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: their collection of toys, whether it be money for business startup,
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: subsidy for health care, whatever it may be. The government
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: jealously holds onto these pieces of eight and will give
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: them to those who have established appropriateness because if in
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: exchange of actually paying for it, you get it from
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: the government for free. So you have to prove to
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  Speaker 6: the government you need it. That's the movement. The movement
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: is we need more jobs. Let's just start with the
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: symbol we need jobs. People can't make enough money, so
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: the government says, we'll develop a bureau that's going to
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: create more money and jobs for the poor. Now you
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: have to prove that you're poor. Now I have to
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: prove that you need help from the government. You have
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: to prove that your stat and if you can't prove that,
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: then you don't get the help. If you can prove
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: your business needs help. There's a big startup program coming
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: through the Department of I think it's an Urban renewal
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: HUD throwing twenty five thousand dollars Oh, those SBA. It's
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars for local businesses to start up.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: But you've got to do it on the street that
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: we've picked, and you have to show us. We're going
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: to do a shark tank. And believe me, Shark Tank
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: is the worst invention. The TV show Shark Tank has
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: been the worst invention for bureaucrats because now bureaucrats can say, oh,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: you know what we're gonna do. Instead of just denying
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: your claim, We're going to have you come to a
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: special event where we make you pitch to us, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: we're going to call it a Shark Tank event, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: we're going to give out refreshments and have bake goods,
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: and we're going to do it in the high school
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: auditorium and it'll be just like the DV show, only
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: Duller worst thing to ever happen to the bureaucracy, because
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: now bureaucracy has become a spectator sport. So these little
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: fiefdoms now come with popularity contests. So I get your
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: point that once the bureaucracy exists, hiring somebody as a
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: native guide seems like a logical thing. But again, this
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: is hammering your other finger because your thumb hurts. What
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: you should do is get out of the way. Say well,
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: why aren't there jobs that pay well enough? Well, is
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: it because the jobs don't pay well or is the
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: other excrement? Become too expensive to purchase in your neighborhood. Wow,
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: we only build houses five percent of the land and
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: we don't understand why lands become so expensive. I think
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: I can help you with that at no charge. So
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: the movement is people need help. Rather than actually giving
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: them an opportunity to help themselves, they create a bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 6: Then the bureaucracy has howfer proves than Then it becomes
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: a business. People start saying, oh, well, you know, I
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: gotta eat too, and I'm doing important stuff for people
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: and they seem grateful, so it's a little bit off
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: the top for me. Then it becomes it goes from
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: movement to business to racket. The racket is now I'm
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: just going to start bureaucracies to make money. Why do
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: I need to Why do I need to get permission
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: from the government to go to the department to get
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: permission from the government. Well, because too many people were
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: abusing the system. It's Ukraine, man. We have to have
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: our government watchdogs and government watch dogs become part of it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: How do I pay off the government watchdog group to
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: make sure that my rivals get tagged but not me?
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: The grift is just stunning. So you shouldn't be surprised
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: out of this Ukraine story. Like I said, faster than
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: you can say Hunter Biden's laptop, you should have known
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: the mere fact that you need nazis like the azof
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: Battalion to guard people who are running the energies. And
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: it's and it is the ultimate in government large as
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: the energy sector. Why have we determined that the government,
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: certainly in a place like Ukraine, I get it, they're
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: not a constitutionally based republic designed for freedom and opportunity.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: They're an oligarchy. And so in the oligarchy you need
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: a friend with you know, an oligarch in their pocket.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: What's it worth to you. I've got this high ranking
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: energy official in my pocket that will approve your thing,
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: and all you have to do is pay me fifteen
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: percent markup. So the answer, as Trump rode into the
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: White House on drain the swamp is drain the swamp.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: And I actually quickly before we go to the news
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: I was having a conversation with a friend of mine.
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: He said, you know, literally, Joe, you said you had
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: a guest on two weeks ago that explained why Trump
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: needs to bring back all the people that they furlowed
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: from the government. And I went back and I forget
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: her name. But we were going through the bureaucratic build up.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: And the issue is not that there are people in
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: the federal bureaucracy. It's that the federal bureaucracy exists at all.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: So what Trump had done was fired five thousand people
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: or so, but the requirement to get approval from those
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: offices still existed. He put the cart before the horse.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: He was firing the people that we still needed because
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: they hadn't successfully. You've gotten rid of the requirements for
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: all the stuff that they were filling their time for
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: in the bureaucracy. And that's part and parcel on Congress.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: Congress's inability to do anything except sit there and get
• 52:29
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• 52:35
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• 52:39
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• 52:41
  Speaker 6: too busy going through hair and makeup? Although in Tim
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: Kain's case, probably not spending as much time in hair
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