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Best Of Ian Furness 9-18 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Regan's weekly visit with NFL Films' Greg Cosell. Brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by Seattle Cider Company. On your home for the
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Greg Cosell joining us as
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  Speaker 2: he does every Friday. One of our favorite guests, one
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  Speaker 2: of our most popular guests as well. First time as
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  Speaker 2: well with Ashley Ryan running the show. You got to
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  Speaker 2: meet Ashley already, Greg. So, you know, like we've, we
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  Speaker 2: made a trade as they say on draft weekend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we made it. We have a trade to announce that
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  Speaker 2: the Ian Furness show has made a trade with the
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  Speaker 2: morning show and Chuck Powell show. And we have sent
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  Speaker 2: Anderson Hearst to the morning show in exchange for Ashley
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  Speaker 2: Ryan and There are some cash considerations as well.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's actually, it's paid in, uh, in alcohol. Ashley
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  Speaker 2: does a segment called booze news, which by the way,
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  Speaker 2: we should point out it's coming up at two 45 today. So,
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  Speaker 2: I was the winner here. I'm the winner in this
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  Speaker 2: trade as well. So after Jess left us as an
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  Speaker 2: unrestricted free agent.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were saying you were the winner in
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  Speaker 3: the booze news.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be the winner then, too, at 245, the end
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  Speaker 2: of my work week. So it's all good. Hey, what
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  Speaker 2: a wild first, what is it now? I think we're eight,
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  Speaker 2: nine days into the NFL season since we had a
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday game, a Thursday game. We had another Thursday game,
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  Speaker 2: and then the last weekend, Sunday's and Monday's game. How's
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell holding up? I know, like, Jadarian Price isn't
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  Speaker 2: ready for a full workload yet. Miles Garrett isn't ready
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  Speaker 2: for a full workload. Are you ready for a full workload?
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  Speaker 3: If I zone out or fall asleep during the segment here,
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  Speaker 3: just have Ashley yell at me, you know, or something. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'll be okay, though. I think I'll be okay.
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  Speaker 2: She's used to that. She works with another old guy
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  Speaker 2: in me, so she's all good. She knows how to
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  Speaker 2: handle those things. Greg, just a real quick thought on
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  Speaker 2: a couple things. There's been a lot going on. It's
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  Speaker 2: really surprising, and it happened again last night in the
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  Speaker 2: Thursday game. Maybe I'm wrong here. It feels like normally
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  Speaker 2: the start of an NFL season, we see defenses being
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  Speaker 2: ahead of offenses, but boy, there have been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of high-scoring games so far. It seems like that's out
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  Speaker 2: of the norm, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: And again, I don't know the answer to that, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a brilliant reason for why that might
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  Speaker 3: be the case. You know, the only thing I could say,
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  Speaker 3: and this may not be true at all specifically to
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  Speaker 3: the teams involved, but obviously when you have new coaches
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  Speaker 3: putting in new systems and teams don't play players in
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  Speaker 3: the preseason, and you're dealing now with offensive, excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: defensive philosophies where there's a lot more movement after the
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  Speaker 3: snap of the ball. if players are, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: know how it is. If one player is at a
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  Speaker 3: position on defense, you can give up plays. It always
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  Speaker 3: reminds me of the conversation years ago I had with
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  Speaker 3: Dan Quinn talking about who's the most important player in
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  Speaker 3: the Legion of Boom. And he said it's Earl Thomas
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  Speaker 3: because he makes up for all the mistakes that happen
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  Speaker 3: in front. And I'm sure the fans don't know what
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  Speaker 3: those mistakes are. You know, you have to be in
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  Speaker 3: it to know that. And so I don't have a
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  Speaker 3: brilliant answer other than it just, you know, some of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff does take time. and you have less practice time.
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  Speaker 3: You have less time in pads. Players don't play in
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  Speaker 3: the preseason. There's more cohesion required on the defensive side
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  Speaker 3: of the ball now more than ever. Teams are less
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  Speaker 3: static in how they play, and that can lead to
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  Speaker 3: some issues here and there.
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  Speaker 2: I think you've mentioned that to me before, but I forgot.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot how as we get to those worlds of
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame votes and looking back in retrospect at teams,
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  Speaker 2: that's a great insight from dan quinn about earl's you
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  Speaker 2: know earl's importance because i think there's times when earl
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  Speaker 2: was forgotten you know like like cam and these other
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  Speaker 2: guys everyone there's so many big personalities out there earl
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  Speaker 2: had a big personality but i think people forget how
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  Speaker 2: important that safety position was and what he did for seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and and you know it's it's like the ed
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  Speaker 3: reeds of the world you know great players like that
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  Speaker 3: who can just you know any mistake that's made in
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  Speaker 3: front and believe me there are mistakes made all the
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  Speaker 3: time you know it's it's you know it's funny just
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  Speaker 3: and we'll get into this We'll get into the battle
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  Speaker 3: of undefeateds in a second. But it's like in baseball when,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let's say a pitcher gives up a home
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  Speaker 3: run and that's the only run he gives up. And
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  Speaker 3: now just say, well, he only made one mistake. No,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't make only one mistake. Just that that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that pitch happened to be hit for a home run.
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  Speaker 3: He probably made 20 mistakes and they were either fouled
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  Speaker 3: off or the batter didn't hit it, you know. didn't
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  Speaker 3: jump on it the way he should have. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like that's the only mistake a guy made. It's just
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  Speaker 3: the result of the play made it look like that's
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  Speaker 3: the only mistake. There's probably mistakes made on so many
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  Speaker 3: plays where the result turns out not to be terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this. You mentioned the battle of
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  Speaker 2: the unbeaten. It's Greg Cosell, NFL Films ESPN Matchup Show,
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  Speaker 2: joining us every Friday. as we look ahead to the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks game. This is our first real one since last week.
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  Speaker 2: We did it kind of the week before and then
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  Speaker 2: did a review of things afterwards. Let's start with the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks offense against the Cardinals defense. And just talking about scoring,
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  Speaker 2: Seattle didn't score a lot of points last week. They
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  Speaker 2: scored 13. The Cardinals defense only allowed 14. They forced...
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  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert into a not-such-a-great game, 83 passer rating when
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  Speaker 2: it was all said and done. There was a couple
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  Speaker 2: turnovers in the process as well. So what's Drew Locke
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  Speaker 2: and the Seahawks offense going to see with this Arizona
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  Speaker 2: defense coming up on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: Well, again, then it depends on the personnel that the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks are in. If they're going to be in base personnel,
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  Speaker 3: the Cards base defense is 5-2, five across at the
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  Speaker 3: first level, two stack backers. They've got an edge rotation defense. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: they basically play four guys on the edge that, that rotate.
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  Speaker 3: They have Josh Schwett, who's been in the league for
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  Speaker 3: quite some time, Baron Browning, uh, Birch, um, who I
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  Speaker 3: believe is from up your way in, in, in, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in college. And then, uh, Xavier Collins, who's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: been with Arizona for a number of years. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they still have Buda Baker, who's a very good player.
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  Speaker 3: They signed at this off season, Andrew Wingard to play
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  Speaker 3: safety as well. He's one of those savvy, smart veterans. Um,
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  Speaker 3: When I watched that tape, there were certain foundational players
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  Speaker 3: that I thought were keys to how they play. The
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  Speaker 3: two linebackers, Wilson, who's also a really good player, Wilson
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  Speaker 3: and Gibbons, Safeties Baker and Wingard, and then the corners,
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  Speaker 3: Johnson and Burke, were kind of the guys that played
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  Speaker 3: all the snaps almost, and they were the foundational players.
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  Speaker 3: They played a lot of zones as their coverage foundation.
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  Speaker 3: They did not play many snaps of defense. man in
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  Speaker 3: the game against the Chargers. Now, the one thing I
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  Speaker 3: will say is that it's week one. You don't know
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  Speaker 3: if that was specific to that opponent or if this
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  Speaker 3: is who they're going to be as the season progresses.
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  Speaker 3: They predominantly played out of a two-high safety shell, so
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  Speaker 3: they did not play a ton of single high. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's what they did week one. It was
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  Speaker 3: very effective against the Chargers in that game. I think
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  Speaker 3: you and I would probably agree that the way that
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks will likely play offense, I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to ask Drew Locke to drop back 40
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  Speaker 3: times unless somehow the game turns out that way and
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  Speaker 3: we'll get into the Cards offense shortly. But that's sort
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  Speaker 3: of an overview of the Cards defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking at just some of the highlights, the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: and the stories afterwards, it looked like– I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: saw that Gibbons and Baker shared a sack, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they're bringing Buda in pressure every now
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  Speaker 2: and then from the secondary– But that happened, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and they had five tackles for loss. They
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  Speaker 2: had three sacks. They had a whole bunch of quarterback hits.
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  Speaker 2: They got pressure on Justin Herbert, who's a pretty athletic quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the interior of the Chargers O-line was really, really
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  Speaker 3: bad in this game. They've got two good tackles, the Chargers, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: and Slater and Hall.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the interior of their O-line, and plus they rotated
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  Speaker 3: a left guard. In the NFL, you can't really do that,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion. I mean, it's not college football. You
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  Speaker 3: can't really do that. And so they just got eaten
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  Speaker 3: up inside a player that is potentially a really good player.
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  Speaker 3: He was hurt his rookie season, but he's playing now
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  Speaker 3: is Walter Nolan who plays inside. I mean, I watched
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  Speaker 3: him at Ole Miss and I thought watching his tape
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  Speaker 3: and he was a first round pick that he had
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  Speaker 3: really big time talent to play the position at D tackle.
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  Speaker 3: He had snaps like Jalen Carter in college. He, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he just, he looks like one of those guys. So,
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  Speaker 3: but again, obviously the, the Seahawks don't have the same
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  Speaker 3: issue inside that the Chargers. I mean, the Chargers interior
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  Speaker 3: was bad. I mean, it was almost below an NFL
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  Speaker 3: level in that given game.
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  Speaker 2: That's good context to have, honestly. Greg Cosell joining us
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  Speaker 2: and just to see where that is because you just
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  Speaker 2: look at the numbers and a couple highlights, you wonder
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  Speaker 2: what's going on there. You mentioned that you don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to make Drew Locke drop back. I would
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  Speaker 2: have guessed you're right. I don't think even if Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald's in there, they want him to drop back and
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  Speaker 2: chuck it around 40 times a game. I saw O'Marion
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  Speaker 2: Hampton did nothing in that game. I think he only
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  Speaker 2: had 12 carries. I don't know if that was game-related
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  Speaker 2: with the score, but 43 yards, I think it was,
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  Speaker 2: and just got nothing going on the ground. If you
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  Speaker 2: take away his 14-yard gain, it was actually an abysmal
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  Speaker 2: day running the football. for the Chargers. The Seahawks really
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  Speaker 2: didn't use Jadarian Price much. 15 total touches in the game.
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  Speaker 2: And even Brian Flory, I should tell you, Greg, the
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator yesterday saying, hey, we're just kind of ramping
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  Speaker 2: him up. We're ramping him up along the way. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a balancing act they're going through.
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  Speaker 2: But you watched Jadarian Price. We talked about it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit last Friday, but we should kind of refresh
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  Speaker 2: everyone's memory. What did you like about Jadarian Price and
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks running game when they did do it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I really liked it. And I thought they
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  Speaker 3: did a really good job with the outside zone concepts.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it worked really well and Price looked good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, again, every game is different. You know, just
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  Speaker 3: to make a point about Omarion Hampton and the Cards defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Chargers only had 51 offensive plays and they only
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  Speaker 3: converted two third downs. So they never were able to
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  Speaker 3: get into any kind of rhythm or continuity. on offense.
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  Speaker 3: And that impacts the run game because then you feel
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  Speaker 3: like you can't run, you've got to throw. And so
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  Speaker 3: your running back becomes somewhat irrelevant. Now, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: he would have rushed for 150 yards. We have no idea.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm saying the way that game played out, Hampton
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  Speaker 3: almost became a non-entity in the game. Ideally, that's not
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  Speaker 3: going to be the case this week with the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: and their offense. They're not going to run 51 offensive plays.
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  Speaker 3: If they do, they're going to be in a really
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  Speaker 3: tough game that they could lose. But I really like
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  Speaker 3: Price and I like what they did with him. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think he sees it well. You know, when you're
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  Speaker 3: a back, particularly when you run, you know, let's say
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  Speaker 3: mid to outside zone, you know, what the back has
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  Speaker 3: to be able to innately seek he's got to be
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  Speaker 3: able to innately just see and feel the blocking scheme
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  Speaker 3: and the defensive flow. You're not thinking it because then
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  Speaker 3: it takes too long. You just have to innately see it,
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  Speaker 3: which is why some guys are better zone runners than
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  Speaker 3: other guys. It's why some guys, you can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: And you've got to run them inside where they're just following,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one guy, you know, because zone, you're sort
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  Speaker 3: of have to see it all. And it just, Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, you can't think through that. You've got to
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  Speaker 3: just feel it and see it because it happens. As
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  Speaker 3: you know, it happens in a millisecond. It happens really fast,
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  Speaker 3: and I think Price is good at that.
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell joining us, previewing Seattle and Arizona 1 o'clock
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday on FOX 13 here locally. All right, let's
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  Speaker 2: flip to the other side of the ball. Jacoby Percet,
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  Speaker 2: 27 for 37, 277, had a touchdown, and to no
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  Speaker 2: one's surprise that's ever watched anything having to do with
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals, Trey McBride was his favorite target. Nine catches,
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  Speaker 2: 13 targets, 95 yards, and a touchdown. You and I
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  Speaker 2: have talked about this, Greg. The one common denominator that
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  Speaker 2: the Pete Carroll teams have had with the Mike McDonald teams,
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  Speaker 2: at least defensively, tight ends have given them problems. McBride,
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years, he gives everybody problems. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just talk about Brissette, McBride, and what that passing offense does.
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  Speaker 2: Look ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to tell you, I thought this was one
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  Speaker 3: of the best games that I've seen Jacoby Brissette play.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he started a lot of games in this league.
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  Speaker 3: One reason he's never been thought of as a full-time starter,
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  Speaker 3: in my view anyway, based on tape study, is I
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  Speaker 3: always thought that he would just get stuck in the
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  Speaker 3: pocket too much. He wouldn't push the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 3: He'd get stuck in the pocket. And, you know, then
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  Speaker 3: often bad things happen. You know, not necessarily sacks or interceptions,
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  Speaker 3: but he would just throw it away or, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it just didn't work. In this game, and again, I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember every game Joby– Jacoby Brissett has started. He's
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  Speaker 3: played in the league a long time, but I thought
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  Speaker 3: in this game, he played with really higher level mental efficiency.
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  Speaker 3: He read pressure and coverage. He played with a more
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  Speaker 3: refined sense of timing and rhythm. He got the ball out.
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  Speaker 3: And what that did is it totally minimized and at
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  Speaker 3: times eliminated the Chargers four-man D-line pass rush because he
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  Speaker 3: was playing with really good timing. He hit his back foot.
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  Speaker 3: The ball was out. Um, and that's something he's not
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  Speaker 3: done consistently enough throughout his career, which is one reason
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  Speaker 3: why he's not been viewed as the answer as a starter.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see if that continues this week. Obviously, he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be playing a better defense, although the Chargers
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  Speaker 3: don't have bad players on defense, by the way. But
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  Speaker 3: he's obviously playing a better defense. Do you know if
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  Speaker 3: Eamon Worry is due to play this week?
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  Speaker 2: So Eamon Worry is going to be– he's limited the
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  Speaker 2: last two days– We don't think he's going to play
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  Speaker 2: because he hasn't been a full participant yet in a
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  Speaker 2: practice this year. But he was limited yesterday. We'll find
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  Speaker 2: out actually in about 20-25 minutes from right now what
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  Speaker 2: the first practice report says from the walkthrough on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: We saw him. I was at practice on Wednesday. He
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  Speaker 2: was out there. Came walking out. Was in pads. Had
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  Speaker 2: a helmet. In fact, Mike McDonald was a little upset
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  Speaker 2: that he came out there when the media was still
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  Speaker 2: allowed to be out there so we could all see
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  Speaker 2: him and take pictures. And, you know, they're kind of
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  Speaker 2: hiding him in the back, right? But, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to guess no, but you never know. We saw
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  Speaker 2: him running around and jogging. He looked fine, but we
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  Speaker 2: don't know. So, yeah, I'm going to guess this is
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  Speaker 2: truly one of those things where they might list him
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  Speaker 2: as questionable and it might truly be questionable.
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  Speaker 3: Well, hey, I feel for him because, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I'm limited every day too.
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  Speaker 4: So am I.
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  Speaker 2: So am I, Greg. So am I. We're all limited.
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  Speaker 2: Ashley may not be, but we are. What does Trey
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  Speaker 2: McBride do for this offense?
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  Speaker 3: Trey McBride is a really good tight end and probably
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get talked about enough. And the thing about him
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  Speaker 3: is he can line up all over the formation. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's not just an attached guy. He's not just a
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  Speaker 3: split guy. He can line up all over the formation.
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  Speaker 3: And so you have to be aware of that and
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  Speaker 3: you have to know where he is and you have
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  Speaker 3: to have a plan for that. You can't be surprised
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  Speaker 3: by it. You know, the other thing, too, that's really
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  Speaker 3: interesting about their offense, their best wide receiver is not
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  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison. Their best wide receiver is Michael Wilson. And
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  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, you know, when you watch his tape and
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  Speaker 3: obviously I've watched him going back to college and look,
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  Speaker 3: I really liked him as many people did. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to do revisionist history here. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's a glider. He doesn't seem to quite have the
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  Speaker 3: explosive juice that I thought that he had coming out
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  Speaker 3: of college. And he's kind of a glider, and he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't really create separation. He caught a 33-yarder last week.
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  Speaker 3: That was really a function of Brissette making a great
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  Speaker 3: throw on a fade ball, dropping it in the bucket.
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  Speaker 3: But there was no separation whatsoever by Harrison. And he
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't normally get much separation. So it's really fascinating to
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: watch him play. Obviously, McBride, critical. Michael Wilson is a
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: really good receiver. You know, he's from Stanford, I believe,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: and I really like the way he plays. And I
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: think they have Kendrick Bourne now who understands. He's one
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: of those guys that just understands how to find voids
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: in zones, how to sit down, give the quarterback a throw.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: You know, he's one of those veterans. You know, he's
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: not necessarily going to, you know, catch 80 balls for
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: 1,200 yards. But he's just one of those solid veterans
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: that knows how to play the receiver position.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bourne had eight catches. Wilson had five. And as
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Greg mentioned, the only catch that came from Marvin Harrison
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: was one catch on three targets. And just kind of
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: a non-entity right now so far since.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: He came in.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: They don't really target him either, which is really interesting.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, three targets the entire game, Greg. That's crazy.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I think we all were like wondering what's going to
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: happen with him.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: You got a chance to lay eyes for the first
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: time as well on their new running back. Jeremiah love, uh,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like our guide, Jadarian price and Notre Dame product. Uh,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: they were one too, obviously, uh, price going very, very, uh, or, uh,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: love going very high. What'd you see from, uh, love
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: in his first game?
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Um, you saw a couple of runs where he saw
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: the juice that he has. He had the touchdown run.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I think he had an 18 yard or where he,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: he bounced out to the edge and you saw the speed. Um, But,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: you know, don't forget, he didn't play much in the
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: preseason at all because he had that high ankle sprain.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: So down the stretch in the fourth quarter, when they
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: were just basically using the run game to eat up clock,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: it was Tyler Argier that had eight carries in the
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter and Love only had one carry. So, I mean,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: you know, Love is probably, and again, maybe this week
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: he's better, but because he did not really have a
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: preseason season, I think that they were kind of monitoring
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: him a little bit. I think, obviously, you'll see a
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: lot more of him, whether that starts this week against
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks. I certainly can't answer that, Ian. But, I mean,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: they didn't draft him fourth overall, you know, to do
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: what happened last week. I think that was a function
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: of the fact that he didn't really play in the preseason.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: And not only did he not play, he missed a
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: lot of practice time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had Greg Cosell joining us. I had
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Riley Mills, his teammate at Notre Dame, on the show
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: with me over at Seahawks on Wednesday. And Riley was
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: effusive in his praise for Love. And actually him and Price.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: But he said, yeah, Love can be a problem. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I think that front group for Seattle is going to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: be in for it a little bit.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I really like Riley Mills. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I think he played 16 snaps in the last game.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: He's now part of that rotation, which is four now
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: instead of three. And I think he's a, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: it's funny. He tore his ACL his last year at
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame. But I watched him the year prior as well. And,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I thought he'd be one of those really
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: solid rotational D tackles. You know, not a star, but
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: a guy that, you know, would get a lot of snaps.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And I think that's starting to play out. I think
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you'll see that in Seattle now.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He talks, you know, he talked about it a little
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: bit with us. And then we talked to Leonard Williams
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, too, in his media session. And, you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: what Riley said was interesting. You know, both Leonard and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Williams and Riley Mills are bigger, taller players. you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: in defensive linemen, right? Like, you just don't see that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: all that often. I always think back to the Red
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Bryant days, you know, where they could never really... You know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: until Pete came here, no one ever found a position
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: for Red Bryant. Then Pete came here and made him, what,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the five-tech and kind of set the edge, and he
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: was out there because he was just massive. Hell, Buffalo
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: had that kid last night that was 6'8 and 330
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: pounds and was a massive problem for the Detroit Lions.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Mills said that Leonard Williams has really helped
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: him because... of the body types, the technique, being taller, leverage,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: all those things. And I'm not sure if you could
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: find a better guy to work under than, than Leonard Williams, Greg.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: No, especially since they're similar body types. So, so that
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: probably look, Williams obviously is, is more athletically gifted. I mean,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Williams was a top six, seven pick in a draft
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and has obviously had a great career, you know, and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Mills is not quite that athletically gifted, but stylistically they'd
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: have to play in a very similar fashion, you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: because of their size. So I'm sure that Williams can
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: really help him acclimate to the league.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Did you see Seattle doing much different what they normally
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: do with Okada out, Thomas in, and Eamon Worry out,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and Tyrese Knight getting some snaps and others in the box?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Well, they did. I mean, in terms of their personnel usage, yes,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: they did a lot of different things because, as you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: they played 4-3, quite a few snaps of 4-3. Tyrese Knight,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I think, played 17 or 18 snaps. So, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: last year, once I'm in worry, became the factor, which
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: didn't happen until, what, maybe week four or five last year?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got hurt in that first game.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: They didn't really play any 4-3, you know, they were
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: a big nickel as a base defense, you know, Eamon
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Worry did not really come off the field, so, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: that was a change that they made clearly, and, you know, obviously,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: they did not have, you know, they've had to play
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Pritchard at corner, you know, so that was his second
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: NFL start, you know, he was the field corner in
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: their conventional nickel with Jobe the boundary corner and Witherspoon
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the slot corner, and Because Eamon Warrior was out, they
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: didn't play any dime. So, you know, normally they're a
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: heavy dime team.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's good, Greg. Stop right there. Stop right there. That's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: big for them, right? That's a significant change for Seattle,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: not going dime in an entire game.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: No, they played 50 snaps of nickel, 16 snaps of base.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: one snap of what we call heavy, but that's just situational,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: you know, it's probably either goal line or, you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: third and one or one of those, but they did
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: not play any snaps of dying.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's crazy. Well, we'll see what even worry status is.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I I'm, I'm going to guess questionable truly is questionable
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and probably leaning more towards doubtful, but since Lane Kiffin's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: not doing the injury report, we might be, might be
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: able to believe Seattle a little bit more than what's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: going on down there at LSU and Ole Miss right now.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: So we'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Matchup show. What do you got going on this week?
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Uh, well actually the Seahawks cards is in the show
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: this week, you know, because hey, it's a battle of
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: undefeated as we said, you know, uh, but we've got, uh,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: actually there's some good games. We've got Jaguars, Broncos, Seahawks cards, Vikings, Bears, Bengals, Texans, Colts, Chiefs, Giants, Rams, Saints, Ravens. Uh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and as I probably mentioned to you, uh, last week,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we're really excited that we're on the NFL network as well.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So we have seven airings, uh, which, hey, I know
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of people don't watch shows these days where
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you watch them when they actually air, but it's still
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: nice to have seven actual airings.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And I would encourage people to go check it out.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: NFL Networker, ESPN, Greg and company do a great job,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: fun show, breaking things down, and away we go. We'll
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: talk to you next week, sir. Great stuff as always.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks, Ian.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: That is Greg Cosell, NFL Films ESPN Matchup Show. Come back.
• 22:12
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• 22:15
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• 22:20
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• 22:57
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• 23:00
  Speaker 2: He's with us. How are you, sir?
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I'm doing very well, Ian. I think I'm one of one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: It's a small, small sample size of which I am king.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Nobody has to know that, buddy. Just go with the best.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Just go with number one. Just go with number one
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and move on from there. Hey, I want to get
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to a lot of football, NFL, college, some other stuff
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I want to throw at you. But before I get
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to that, I mentioned this with Ashley earlier. By the way,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: did you say hi to Ashley? We made a trade here.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Very exciting news.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, very exciting. I think it's exciting. I don't know
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: if she shares that same thought. I do. Okay, good. But, Dani,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: we were discussing this earlier. I mentioned in the headlines–
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: about the Mariners playing tonight in Colorado. It's the Kevin
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Shockey Cup, a three-game series. It's even more prestigious than
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the Vetter Cup, is what it is, is what I'm told. So,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: big event tonight, big event with the Colorado Rockies. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: most people have said it's over, and they've written them off.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Are you giving them any inkling of a chance? Ashley said,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: until it's mathematically done, I'm still holding out hope. Is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: there any chance whatsoever?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I pronounced them dead once Christian Walker hit that home run,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: and it's probably a month ago now in Houston.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Where I believe that's the bottom of the 10th. It
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: was a Friday night. And at that point, I turned
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: off the game, and I went directly to bed, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I did not hesitate for a second to fall asleep.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: They did not interrupt. And at that point, I was like, flatline, dead, dead.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: And it might have been premature.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: However, I actually think that my sense on this was
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: exactly right. And I've just faded through. I haven't acknowledged
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: any of the false starts or like flopping fish in
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the boat. No, they're dead. They're absolutely dead.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: They're toast.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: I think it's great and a sign of Ashley's tremendous
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: humanity that she leaves open the possibility for miracles. I
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: am more of a cold, practical realist. No, they've been
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: dead for quite some time.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Ashley?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that hurts.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Bag them and bag them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: But I will say this, too. My head is saying
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: they're dead. Just let it go. It's just my heart's like, oh,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: hang on. That's the problem is every time they squeeze
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: out one win in Anaheim. And you're like, oh, hey, oh, hey. Oh, look,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you beat a real crappy team. Hey, hey, wait a second.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Wait a second. Joe, there are 71 and 82, so
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: nine games left to go. At best, they'll finish 80
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and 82. The math really just kind of tells you
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that there's, I mean, Houston's at 77, Texas is at 76.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, the magic number or tragic number is down to,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I think, four, something like that. Danny, Joe Sheehan, who
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: we have on every week on Tuesday, we're playing a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: promo now, and he said, Ashley, correct me if I'm wrong,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: he said they're the most disappointing team in Major League
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Baseball this century.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Which we both looked at each other and went, wow,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: since 19, no, actually since 2000. Because I hear century,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I'm old, I think of 1900s. I thought 100 years, yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But 26 years, Danny, that's a pretty good sample size.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you for perspective on every team
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: since the year 2000 and Y2K. But how disappointing is this?
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: This team specifically is the... And there's some stiff competition.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: The year they're on the cover of Sports Illustrated with
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Robinson Cano and Felix Hernandez.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: And it stunk. That hurt. The year they paid $ 100
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: million to a roster that lost 100 games. I believe
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: that's 2008. That stung. That stung. Having a roster that
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: included Griffey... the big unit, Edgar and Alex Rodriguez, essentially,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, three hall of famers, but four, because Alex
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: would be, if he hadn't pumped himself to the gills
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: full of horse tranquilizers. But this one, this one, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: think what hurts most is that this one includes just
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: some inexplicably dispiriting things like Julio throwing a ball and
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: into the outfield stands when there's only two outs. Josh Naylor.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: And I could understand how he didn't realize that line
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: drive was caught, but it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Looked so bad. It just looked so bad.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: And he absolutely should have been running out the ball
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: that the second baseman booted. The eighth second baseman booted,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: but then had time to turn the double play because
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: he wasn't hustling. This looks worse than anything else. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: that's saying something because we've done this. This is the,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: by appearances, the optics of this season have been worse
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: than any. Yeah, it is a staggering amount of disappointment.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also just hard to believe, to be honest
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: with you, for me, because I think most of the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: time in sports, that especially over the course of a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: long season where you can have, you know, this isn't football,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: especially college football. You know, Oregon's a great example. You
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have a bump in the road, and sometimes that can
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: be really hard to overcome. I mean, Oregon's still at
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: USC next week. I mean, one loss in college football
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't eliminate you from a national championship possibility like it
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: used to back in the day. Thankfully, we have 12
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: teams and maybe soon to be 24 teams. But you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: lose one, your margin of error is next to nothing.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: In the NFL, you can have a couple losses, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you get past five or six in today's NFL, you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: not going anywhere. You're not going to the playoffs, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: you're certainly not going to have home field advantage. In baseball,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: there's so many opportunities because the season's so long. All
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: those things you discussed, you should be able to overcome
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: all of those things, all of those little incidents, all
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: those events. And talent usually does win out. In this case,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it didn't. And it hasn't. And I think that's, Danny,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to me, that's what's frustrating.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: You know what we are, Ian? And it's just the
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: comment from Joe. We're the Browns of baseball. Like, what
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns are to the NFL is what the
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Seattle Mariners are to baseball. Just a big misery factory. Like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: that's what we produce on a more consistent basis. Seasons
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: with the occasional dash of hope, but... yeah, we're just
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: a misery factory and they should have been baseball.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Baseball used to.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Be this endurance run where to get to the playoffs.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: And I'm talking like before mid nineties, where to get
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: to the playoffs meant add to endure this marathon race
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: because so few teams got to the playoffs totally different
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: now they give you every opportunity if you're a talented
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: team to get into the playoffs and if you get
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: into the playoffs you've got a fighting chance they've had
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: every opportunity not only are there so many playoff births
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: but they're playing in a toxic waste dump of a
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: division this year And they still, they still kind of,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: they were, they were, people were begging for them to
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: seize the opportunity.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Nay, no, never. They refused.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: God, I mean, you think about what, so, so in 40%
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: of teams in each league make the playoffs six of 15.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It's just inexcusable. I mean, it just is. We'll do
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a final obituary on them at some point in the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: next couple weeks, Monday. If they lose a couple more,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: unless they sweep the Rockies. We've said that a bunch
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of times. Coming up, we'll do that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: You know what's going to happen when they conduct the autopsy?
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: They lay this cold slab of the season out onto
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: the coroner's deck. They're going to look in there like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: my God, this patient had no heart.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: That's what happened. It's like the Tin Man, right? Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the Tin Man in Wizard of Oz. Exactly.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: This Tin Man season.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Tin Man season. Oh, God, it is the Tin Man
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: season for the Mariners. There is no heart. There is
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: no heart with this team. Meanwhile, the football team goes
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to Arizona this week. What are your favorite memories of
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that fun place? There's always some great ones, right? The
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: funny thing is, we mentioned this earlier, they win almost
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: every time they're down there, but bad stuff happens almost
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: every time they're down there, Danny.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: A lot of weird things that have happened. My favorite memory...
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And this is going back. This is a blast from
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: the past. I think it's 2006. I think it's the
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: year after they go to the Super Bowl. Holmgren's the coach,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: and they are in position to kick a game-winning field goal.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: And Sean Alexander takes the handoff and inexplicably kind of
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: stops running, doesn't get the handoff. Darnell Dockett is in
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: the backfield. He fumbles it away. The Seahawks lose it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: And then afterwards, Sean and Sean was a great running back.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Sean is a much better running back than, than we
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: remember him in large part because he did some frustrating things.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: But one of Sean's traits was after a particularly dispiriting loss,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: he would not be downtrodden about it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: He was smiling.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: He was upbeat. He was kind of laughing about how
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: he thought Matt Hasselbeck gave a fake audible. And Oh
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: my gosh, there was this guy in the background laughing.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And I just I the the disconnect between, dude, you've
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: got to at least look like that really, really bothered you.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: You've got to look like that. That is probably one
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: of the memories that really sticks out from down there.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I I go back to I'm going to find the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: game right now. Stand by. Hang on. 2016. It was
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: October 3rd, 2016, if I'm not mistaken. Here it is.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I'll find it right now.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: That's the day everybody died.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So that was the 6-6 game, if I'm not mistaken, right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: That was 6-6.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Thursday night game.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Thursday night game. Was it Thursday?
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: What was it?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: What did I say was October what? October... October 3rd?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: October 23rd.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: October 23rd. Yeah, October 23rd was that date. That 6-6 game.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: And I remember that game, and it was just an
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: absolute slogfest. Scoreless after one. Arizona, and this was in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Seattle still in its prime. You look at the Seattle lineup.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's Bennett and Cliff and Wagner and KJ, Sherm, etc., right?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Earl's still playing at that point in time. Offense had... Now,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: offense didn't have a guy named Marshawn, but they still
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: had Baldwin and Curse and Russ and all that. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: it's 3-0 at the half. Seattle kicks a field goal
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Stephen Hauschka ties the game up.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And then they score. They both kick field goals in overtime.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But there were like a combined... I'm going to see
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: how many field goals were missed. There was like a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: combined six missed field goals in that game. No touchdown, 6-6.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: That was like the worst football game ever played. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it was, of course, in Arizona. They were like, well,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the grass is bad. We don't like to play. No, man,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: it was just a bad football game. Just an awful
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: football game.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: It was an awful football game.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: That's also the game. That was the last game that Sherman,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Cliff Averill, and Cam Chancellor played as Seahawks. If you
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: were going to come up with what was the tombstone
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: for the Legion of Boom era, it's that game in
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: large part because of injuries. The franchise was never the
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: same after that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: We brought up earlier, this is our feelings towards this game. Like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: when before the season started, okay, you're taking on the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: team that you beat in the Super Bowl. They're still
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a quality opponent, but you should get that win, right? Like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you should get that win. My level of concern last
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: week wasn't too high. As it turned out, it should
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: have been. And then we didn't, you know, anticipate Sam
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Darnold getting hurt. But then next week, you go to Arizona.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Everything tells you Arizona's playing for the number one pick.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Trying to find a quarterback. Sorry, Jacoby and Gardner, you're
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: not the guys. We're trying to play for the number one.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: New coach, first year, good division. They're going to be
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a really bad football team. Then they go out and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: just whack the Chargers, like smash them in the face,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and take their lunch money and walk away and head
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: back to Glendale. Now all of a sudden, backup quarterback
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: going to Arizona, and it's Arizona, even though you haven't
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: lost there since the COVID year of 2000 with 1,200
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: people in the stands, by the way. That's the last
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: time you lost there. This one's a little bit nerve-wracking,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I think, on Sunday, Danny.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And that question of, okay, it sounds fairly positive about
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Sam Darnold's prognosis. It's a fairly good sign that he's
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: not on injured reserve, meaning this really might be weeks,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: not months. At the same time, the reality, and I
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: saw that Mike Holmgren said he considers Drew Locke to
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: be the best number two quarterback in the league. If
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: that's the case, you really feel like you should win
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: this game. but that's always so tricky when you're dealing with.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: A backup quarterback.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: And I, I have way more uncertainty about this game
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: than I did in week one, which is strange to
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: say because the Patriots are, I mean, even given what
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: we saw, I think the Patriots are a better team
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: than the Cardinals, but yeah, the Cardinals and I watched
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: all of that chargers game, uh, The Cardinals looked pretty good.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: And maybe it'll turn out that the Chargers just got awful.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: And Jim Harbaugh, all of the praise and expectation that
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: was heaped upon him, he's just not able to do
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: it again. But the Cardinals looked pretty good. Their offense
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: looked capable. McBride is a really good tight end. Love
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: is obviously a very dynamic running back. I think that
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: running backs depend a lot on the people around them. Um,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: I would not have drafted a running back that high.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: I don't care who it was, but they looked like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: a fairly competent team in week one.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: The, uh, Mike McDonald just spoke is speaking right now,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: actually to the media. It sounds like Nick Eamon worry
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: is still, uh, limited in practice. I would think without
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a full practice, there's probably not much of a chance
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that he plays. We'll, uh, we'll get that. Um, we'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: get that probably later on today, but it doesn't, I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: guessing even worry is probably not going to, uh, go.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Anthony Bradford, of all things, also may not play on
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday as well. Danny, not a lot of people watch. No,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I laugh about this. Not as many people watched the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: game last Wednesday, the opener in the NFL on a Wednesday,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: as they did the previous year, the opening game. I
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: know you're really stressed about that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I hate TV rating stories. I'm not sure if it's
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: an age thing. To the point where I'll argue with
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: people about I don't think TV– I don't think we
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: should worry about TV ratings. I think that network executives
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: and the people that pay the money to put the
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: games on television and the administrators, not even the coaches,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: but like the league commissioners should worry about television ratings.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why any of the regular population gives
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: a rip how many other people are watching the team
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: they like. It's not going to prevent me from watching
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: them in the future. In fact, it might make me
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: knowing that I might kind of like the fact that
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: not as many people like the team that I root for. Yet, God, man,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: people go nuts over TV rating stories.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I just don't get it.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I brought this up earlier. The TV ratings thing is
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a funny deal because Does market size matter? Does brand matter?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: What matters the most? I spent some time last segment
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: talking about this is the second week in a row
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that the team in market 12, media market 12, the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Washington Huskies, they're on the Big Ten network, but they're
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: not even on the Big Ten network. They're on Big
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Ten network alternative, which is Not even listed, depending on
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: what system you use. Ashley found it on Fubo Alternative 2,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I do believe, etc. It's on Comcast, Big Ten Network.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: It's 1312.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's not even listed right now. It'll pop up tomorrow
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: as if by magic. I thought sometimes market size would matter. Apparently,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it doesn't. But yeah, I mean, I thought the thing
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: with the Seahawks game, they still had a massive, huge audience,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: but it was a Wednesday night as well. Nobody's used
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to watching football on the Wednesday night unless you're a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: fan of the Mac attack watching Toledo and Bowling Green.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it just creates, because I felt the same thing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: When I saw it, I immediately started looking for, okay, well, look,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: the Cowboys played in it last year, so it's probably
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: not going to be as big a number.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes played in it the two years before that,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: so that's probably going to create. And then I was
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: just like, why the hell do I care if other
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: people are watching the Seahawks? The Seahawks, their season's not
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: going to get canceled on television because sometimes when you
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: have a favorite show, I can understand worrying about ratings
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: because you don't want the thing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: To get canceled.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: They're going to be showered. The Husky game, and this
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: just gets to the lunacy of college football. It is
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: way more straightforward for me to watch the Washington Huskies
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: while living in New York. than it is if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: live in Seattle, like last week, all the people with
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Xfinity that weren't able to like physically weren't able to
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: access the game for an extended period of time. That
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: is insane. And it just makes it, all of this
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: is just made up as they're going along and it's
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: so frustrating and stupid, but God, yeah. Tell me more
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: about what the ratings are compared to year over year. Hey,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: maybe just put the game on in the market where
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: the teams play and And just call it good. And
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: save all of the money that you won on the
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: press releases about how many other people are watching. Don't
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: spend the money on that. Just put the game on
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: in the market where the team plays.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Not that hard. Really is not. You know what's wild?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: The Pac-12 had it figured out with their crappy network
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: more than the Big Ten does. That's what's kind of weird.
• 41:11
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• 41:16
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• 41:23
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• 41:29
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• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I did notice that. I asked for three if I
• 41:34
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• 41:36
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• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I live to serve you and I live to serve.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And you do a great job of it. I'll talk
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to you next week, buddy. Take care. Thank you.
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• 42:02
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• 42:06
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• 42:27
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• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the big college football games of the weekend.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Hello, Rob.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I'm doing very well, sir.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I'm good. There is a massive game this weekend. You
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: know what? I'm not even going to delay. Let's just
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: get right to it, can we? Can we just get
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: right to this thing?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: LSU, Mississippi, 4.30, ABC tomorrow on Saturday. The emotions in
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: this game are through the roof. What about the talent
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: in this game?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: That's also through the roof, buddy. I mean, that's the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: thing is that, you know, say what you will about Langston,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: the man can flat coach, he can flat recruit. He
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: may be a liar when it's all said and done because, obviously, just...
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: The unscrupulous way in which he left Ole Miss and
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: ruffled off a lot of feathers on his way out.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: He has done that before, of course, but he now
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: has his star quarterback, Arizona State transfer Sam Leavitt, who
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: has been listed as doubtful despite any type of... A
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: real injury designation. The same thing with one of the
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: star linebackers, T.J. Daughtery, who, oh, by the way, played
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: for Kiffin at Ole Miss. He's going to be returning back.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: So I just think that there's going to be so
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: much storyline about... uh, the, the emotions of the game. But,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: but to your point, I mean, there are a lot of, uh,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: very highly regarded ethical prospects in this game. And let's
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: just start with Sam Leavitt, just because I do fully
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: expect that he is going to be starting in this
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: game for LSU. Uh, you know, he's six foot two,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: he's 207 pounds. He's a quarterback that I got flashed
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: a year ago at Arizona state for the last couple
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: of years at Arizona state. The big question was, could
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: he translate that success into the SEC without the spectacular
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: wide receiver that Arizona State had last year, Jordan Tyson? Now,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: of course, the wide receiver for the New Orleans Saints.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: And all he has done these first couple of weeks
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: is show off that backyard kind of ability that is
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: so intriguing to today's NFL, where so much of it
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: is kind of the You know, the impromptu improvisational style
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: of play. He's got five rushing touchdowns and an awful
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: lot of college football teams in over the last couple
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: of the first couple of weeks of the season. Don't
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: have five rushing touchdowns as a team. He's got it
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: himself at the quarterback position. He is to me, the
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: big storyline here. It's a, it's a, LSU doesn't have
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: their star quarterback. Then it would be a lot more complicated.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: But I do think that a lot of the NFL
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: scouts are going to be focusing in on LSU's defense.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: And one of the players that I think is really intriguing,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: another Ole Miss transfer, is number one, Prince Will Uman Mellon.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: And Uman Mellon, 6'4, 256 pounds, he originally was at Nebraska,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: transferred to Ole Miss, now is at LSU, and he
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: is just cat quick upfield. As you mentioned with the
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: five rushing touchdowns that Sam Leavitt has, Prince Emanuel has
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: five sacks already in just two games. So I think that,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: that whether it be at the quarterback position, whether it
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: be edge rusher, LSU has got a couple of guys
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: who maybe aren't first round picks, but they can play
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: themselves into that type of consideration. And that's just a
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg on the Ole Miss side.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Let me just to refresh everyone's memory. I mean, the,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the Leavitt thing, the, the, Listed as doubtful Wednesday, went
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: through the walkthrough on Thursday, did Sam Leavitt, and it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Kiffin playing games. I'm sure that's going to go over
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: really well with the SEC, especially with LSU and SEC
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: already at odds and things. But, yeah, I think most
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: people expect him to play. With Leavitt, where would he project?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: What round would he project as a quarterback right now
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: in the draft?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy that you asked that. That's actually one
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: of the most recent articles I wrote for FoxSports.com is
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: he basically did like a quarterback tears. And I have
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: him firmly in that day two conversation. I have him
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: as an early third round selection right now. I think
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: that he can play himself up into the second round,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: perhaps even into the late first round. He is not
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: as refined of a pocket passer as as, say, an
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Arch Manning or a Dante Moore, or even the flashes
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: that we saw from Trumesta Maker, of course, to Oklahoma State,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: and they stunned Oregon this past week. But what you
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: do see with Sam Leavitt is an ability to make
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: something out of nothing. And again, in today's NFL, that
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: is just so valuable. So valuable, excuse me. So I
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: think that he is a player who is very much
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: on the upswing. He just has to stay healthy. That
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: has been an issue for him in the past. And again,
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: as you just mentioned, I think this is a lot
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: more about, you know, the head coach basically trying to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: kind of mess with betters and the SEC rather than
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: real durability issues with Sam Levitt.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: A couple of guys that did not leave to go
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: with Lane Kiffin to LSU. The quarterback, Trinidad Chambliss. He
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: had his own challenges just to get eligible. But Trinidad
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Chambliss and the running back, Kiwan Lacy. Let's start with
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: those two guys. We'll start with the quarterback. Trinidad Chambliss
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: and what you think of him for Ole Miss going
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: against LSU.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Well, to me, he is right there with Sam Levin
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: as far as that day two conversation. And had he
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: earned a first-round grade, then he would be playing in
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the NFL right now. And, of course, he applied for
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: a grade from the NFL Advisory Committee. And a lot
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: of people don't realize how that works. You basically apply
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: for a grade. And then a collection of NFL talent evaluators,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: former general managers, current general managers, they basically get together
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: and they assign grades. You're either going to get a
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: first round grade, in which case almost every single player
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: will leave the NFL, a day two grade, which of
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: course means second or third round, or a recommendation to
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: go back to school. My conversations with scouts, you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: were that he was getting third to fourth round grades,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: essentially meaning go back to school. Given the talent in
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: this last year's quarterback class probably would have wound up
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: being selected on day two. But without any type of
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: assurance and knowing the money that's floating around now, returning
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: back to college football as a big time college quarterback
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: is It made all the sense in the world, literally
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: and figuratively, for him to return to Ormus. And I
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: thought that he was very impressive in that week one
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: shootout against Louisville. Showed an awful lot of poise late
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: in that game. The same type of poise that he
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: showed in the SEC championship game a year ago in
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: beating Georgia.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Rob, let's talk about Keewon Lacey. I remember watching Wazoo
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: play against these guys last year, and Chambliss was just okay,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: but Keewon Lacey was really good. 5'11, 205-pound running back.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on him?
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: I think he's absolutely dynamic, Ian. I mean, the fact is,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: you just mentioned he's 205 pounds. And so because of that,
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: there are some concerns about whether he has the durability
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: to be able to last in the NFL as a
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: feature back. And I would just go back to last
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: year when he led the SEC not only in rushing touchdowns,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: but just in carries. He proved that he can handle
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: that type of a big workload. To me, in style
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: and in stature, he is very reminiscent of Devin Aichen,
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: who of course played at Texas A & M and
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: the SEC, also now is a star for the Miami Dolphins.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: He just has... and you know electric moves and breakaway
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: speed as well as power usually when their guys are
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: built 511 205 pounds then they might have quickness they
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: might even have breakaway speed but they don't have power
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: as well he has that entire package and there's not
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: very many backs uh in 25 years i've been doing
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: this that are 205 pounds that i've put a first
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: round stamp on But with this young man, Kiwan Lacey,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: number five at Ole Miss, I do think that he
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: is on the track for a first-round grade.
• 50:41
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• 51:14
  Speaker 2: at least on paper. Miami-Wake Forest, I think Miami's a
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: pretty heavy favorite, but Jake Dickert and Wake Forest, we'll
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: see what they can do. Let's talk about the two
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: skill guys, though, for Miami. Darian Mensah, the quarterback, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: wide receiver Malachi Toney.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's no question about it. We're talking
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: about a team, of course, that played for the national
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: championship a year ago here with Mario Cristobal. And I
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: think that there's going to be lots of games all
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: year long, Ian, that we can focus in on Miami.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: But I love the fact that you mentioned Jake Dickert.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, 2-0 for Wake Forest. And is there a
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: battle of two teams in the ACC that, you know,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: essentially are playing for first place? And so I don't
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: know that we're going to be able to say that
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: much longer for Wake Forest. Look, at Miami, the story
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: really is another quarterback, Darion Mensah, and their star wide receiver,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Malachi Tonin. First off with Mensah, you know, he's an
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: interesting player. He reminds me a little bit of Jaden Daniels,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: of course, for former Heisman Trophy winner at LSU. We
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: talked about a moment ago, Sam Levitt. Arizona State, of course,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: that's where Jordan Tyson, or Jaden Daniels, excuse me, Jaden
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Daniels originally played his college ball. So I see in
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Darien Mensah a frame and a style very similar to
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels, a little bit wiry, 6'3, 205 pounds, but
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: he is a dynamic and elusive athlete. He's got really
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: good touch. He has played the game as far as
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: bouncing around from program to program. Was originally a Tulane.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Transferred to Duke this past year. Led the Duke Blue
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Devils to their very first ACC crown, at least in football,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: since 1962. So the guy is a winner. He has
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: been spectacular for Miami so far. Eight touchdowns, zero interceptions. Again,
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: been dynamic in and out of the pocket. A true
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: dual threat type of a guy. It's a lot easier, though,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: when you are throwing the ball to a guy like
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: number one Malachi Toney. Ian, you and I have been
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: doing this for an awful long time. Virtually every time
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: we talk, we discuss players that are eligible for this
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: upcoming year's NFL draft. This young man, Malachi Toney, is
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: only a sophomore, but some guys just move different, and
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: that's what this guy is like. I mean, he just
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: changes gears like he's a sports car. There's so many
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: touchdowns over his young career where it looks like the
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: defense has an angle. The free safety is going to
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: be able to get him. And he just switches to
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: another gear, almost like the way that Jackson Smith and Jigba,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: of course, was able to train that fourth down throw
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: from Drew Locke into a breakaway game-winning, essentially, touchdown for
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks. Look, I think that Malachi Toney is going
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: to wind up being even faster than the 4-5-3 that
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: JSN wound up running. I think he's going to be
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: in the 4-4s, but he plays even faster than that.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: If the NFL draft could select him this year, then
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: he would easily be a first-round pick. I think he's
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: going to wind up being a top-10, top-15 selection in
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: 2028 when he is eligible.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Rob Rank joining us, courtesy of Farrelly's Pizza. Let's talk
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: about the other game tonight, 5 o'clock on Fox, Houston
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and Texas Tech. Houston's ranked 22nd, Texas Tech ranked 13th,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and it feels like this is almost an elimination game
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and maybe the toughest game remaining on each of these
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: two teams' schedules.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, buddy, I'm excited to talk about Houston and
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech. I didn't want to mention one thing real
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: quick with that Wake Forest game.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, tragically, we saw the loss of a former Seahawks
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: legend in Fred Young. I want to mention, and so,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: you know, rest in peace, and certainly my, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Well wishes to the rest of his remaining family and
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: to the Seahawks family as well. There's another connection here
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: in this particular game with Wake Forest to another former
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Seahawks legend, that being Brian Blades, number 89, a longtime
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: star for the Seahawks. His son goes by Deuce Blades.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: His son is going to be playing cornerback for Wake Forest.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: And there's going to be some times where he gets
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to match up one-on-one against the aforementioned Malachi Tony.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: And I just think that this is a Florida international
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: transfer who doesn't have elite size, doesn't have his father's
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: elite speed, or his uncle Benny Blades' speed. uh, or outblades, uh,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: you know, speed, but at the same time, he's a
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: player and this is the exact opportunity that he might
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: be looking for. Of course, all those blades brothers before
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: played at the university of Miami. So this is going
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: to be quite the stage for Brian or deuce blades.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: The second number two, uh, to perhaps put his name
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: on the big stage. So I think that's another intriguing
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: reason to watch, uh, the Miami Wake Forest game at
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: 4.30 at ESPN. And I'm sorry, you mentioned Houston, Texas Tech,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: five o'clock on Fox. And you know me, I'm a
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: company guy. I'm always going to pump the Fox games.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: You know, look, this is a game, however, that to
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: me is more of a demonstration of just like where
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: college football has frankly sunk to. It's all about money anymore.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: And This is a demonstration of just the best players
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: that money can buy. We talked before about some of
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: the other programs out there that have so many players
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: in the East-West Shrine Bowls, top 1,000. The Red Raiders, Ian,
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: have 27 players. on the east-west, top 1,000. My favorite
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: player is actually a guy who can't even play, and
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: that being the quarterback, Brandon Sorsby. We can talk about
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: him a little bit if you'd like, but I'm going
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: to focus in on the wide receiver for Houston because
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: there's going to be so much talk about the Red Raiders,
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: obviously eligible for the college football playoff this year. To me,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: this is almost like a playoff game because whichever one
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: of these two teams wins, they have a pretty easy
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: track to the college football playoff. The Red Raiders don't
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: have another team on their schedule that is currently ranked
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: in the top 25. Houston only has one game, and
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: that's against Utah in November. Whatever team wins this game
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: really does have a nice opportunity to go play in
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: the playoff. My favorite player in this game that's actually playing, again,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Brandon Sorsby, the quarterback for Texas Tech, obviously isn't eligible
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: due to gambling. We've talked about him before. My favorite
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: player in the game is a wide receiver, Amari Thomas,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: number zero for Houston. He's six foot five, six foot,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: excuse me, six foot, 205 pounds. So he's got a frame.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: He's actually bigger than T1 Lacey. They're running back from
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Ole Miss that we discussed just a couple of moments ago.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: And he plays like a running back, almost like a
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: golden tape with the way that he is able to
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: bounce off of contact. I won't use the comparison to
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Debo Samuel that some have used, but he is a
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: very physical player after the catch. It bounces through contact,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: and he almost looks for contact at the receiver position.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: He's a fun slot receiver that I think could make
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: this game watchable other than a reason to, sorry, Brendan Sorsby,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: but to bet on the money line.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly. We'll worry about Sorsby when we get to our
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: draft previews coming up in the spring. Who else are
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: you looking at this game? I know there's a couple
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: of offensive linemen maybe that you want to take a
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: peek at in Texas Tech and Houston tonight.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you're always looking for opposite tackles. And,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: of course, so much of what we're doing on this
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: weekly show is that what we're talking about players that
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks might be interested in. Obviously, Seattle has two
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: very good, still young tackles in Charles Cross and Abe Lucas.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: But you're always looking for the next guy's developmental talent.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: And there's a couple of left tackles in this game
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: that I think are intriguing just because they're relatively decent
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: athletes considering how big that they are. First on Texas
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: tech side, they got a big left tackle, Howard Sampson,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: who's 6'8 and 330 pounds. And he's just so damn
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: big that he can just kind of swallow up guys
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: at the point of attack at times. Now, he did
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: struggle a little bit in high-profile games. Of course, Texas Tech,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: they played against some of the best teams in the
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: country a year ago. in their college playoff run. And obviously,
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: they had some very talented players that they were going
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: up against, you know, just even in practice. But he
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: is a player that has good patience. He's got pretty
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: decent feet for such a big guy. There's just no
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: way he's going to be able to stay at the
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: left tackle position in the NFL. But he's a guy
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: that maybe could make the switch to the right tackle spot.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And the same thing in Houston. They've got a player,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: left tackle, Alvin Ebosele, number 79, 6'6, 312 pounds. Again,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: he's got good enough feet that he might be able
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: to make, you know, at least be a developmental kind of,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: you know, type of offensive tackle at the NFL, especially
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: in a wide zone blocking offense like the one that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: John Benton and the Seahawks run.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: All right. One more game I want to get to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: real quick, and that would just be the Alabama game
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: against Arkansas. Arkansas is not very good. But Kayla DeBoer's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: got to have a dude or two we want to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: talk about, right?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: Not as many as you might think. I mean, Alabama,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: considering the fact that they are Bama and they are
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: ranked 10th in the country, they have a lot of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: very good young players. But when it comes to this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: year's upcoming draft, it might surprise people that, in my opinion,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: their best player is actually an edge rusher, not something
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: that Kalen DeBoer is, of course, known for, obviously being
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: an offensive guy after all this time. But number zero,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Yonze Pierre. An edge rusher, 6'4, 251 pounds. He reminds
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: me a little bit of Dallas Turner, who was an
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: edge rusher from Alabama a couple of years ago. The
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings took him in the first round. You see
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: the flashes of just his initial burst, that bend, the power.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: He really could be something. Again, it's been more flash
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: than ever. than consistency so far, but the traits are undeniable,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: and if he continues this upward trajectory, we could be
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: talking about him as a first-round selection by the time
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: we get to the spring. My favorite player for Alabama
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: right now isn't the flashiest guy, but he is one
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: of the more physical and reliable open field tacklers. That's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: the safety key on SAB, S-A-B-B. He is a bad
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: guy when it comes to just in special teams and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: it comes to just running down the alley and taking
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: out running backs. He is one of my favorite safeties
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: in this draft class that isn't necessarily talked about in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: that first or second round conversation. He's going to be
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: a middle round player, but I wouldn't be surprised at
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: all if he winds up being a longtime starter in
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: the NFL.
• 1:01:51
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:21
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• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: linemen for Oregon that we thought were going to be
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: so good that haven't looked good. We won't learn anything
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: from Portland State tonight, but we'll get to that maybe
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: next week as well. Great stuff, as always. What do
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: you got up on FoxSports.com right now?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Well, as we talked about, certainly the quarterback tiers is
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the most recent article, or excuse me, one of the
• 1:02:37
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• 1:02:41
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• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: was Texas, Ohio State. And so as that game was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: going on, I basically was kind of giving my thoughts
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: on Arch Manning, on Julian Sane, Jeremiah Smith, Cam Coleman,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: the superstars at both of those respective programs, and just
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: kind of trying to evaluate them on the fly as
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: the game went on. Obviously, Arch Manning and Texas Engineering,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: a remarkable comeback victory. It's funny, people just look at
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: the statistics and they think that Arch Manning didn't play
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: that well. There were a couple of drops that I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: think that if he had got some of the credit
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: for some of the absolute dimes which he threw... then
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: people would understand why there is growing certainty that Arch
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Manning will be the number one overall selection in the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: 2027 NFL draft if he indeed decides to make himself eligible. Although, hey,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: if it's the Cleveland Browns, they might pull another Manning
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: and decide not to want to go there. They might
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: opt out and just return to Austin for one more season.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: God, wouldn't that be something. All right, Rob Rang, FoxForce.com,
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• 1:04:16
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  Speaker 4: Looking forward to it as always, buddy. Take care.
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