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Ethereum Launches War-Proof Browser To Kill Chrome?🌐Freedom Browser INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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Speaker 1: ECC just wrapped up and one of the things that
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Speaker 1: we were watching was a project centered around the browser.
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Speaker 1: Today we're going to break into all that because it
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Speaker 1: means Web three browser is coming. Freedom Browser. How are you, Minard?
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Speaker 2: I'm very good. Thanks for having me on the show,
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Speaker 2: quite an honor, and yeah, let's talk freedom all right.
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Speaker 1: So, first of all, explain the Freedom Browser. Give me
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Speaker 1: an example of what you guys are doing there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's an interface to the decentralized web. So
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Speaker 2: you might think the web is decentralized, what are we
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Speaker 2: talking about. This is actually a new form of web.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like a parallel network that runs on peer
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Speaker 2: to peer notes, So it serves content from peer to
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Speaker 2: peer notes, not from a big data center like the
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Speaker 2: centralized or has a centralized gateway. This is really pulling
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Speaker 2: data for many peers. And yeah, this is an interface
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Speaker 2: to it that treats these protocols. Maybe you've heard of
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Speaker 2: IPFSS first Class Citizens.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at my browser. I downloaded the Freedom Browser
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Speaker 1: right there, and when you click on that little node
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Speaker 1: section of there on the top of the browser, you
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Speaker 1: can kind of see the swarm section and the IPPFS.
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Speaker 1: What is it one hundred and thirty four connected peers,
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Speaker 1: and it also gives you a full bandwidth. And what's
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Speaker 1: happening there. First of all, how many connected peers would
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Speaker 1: you need to be able to handle a global browser.
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Speaker 2: Like that because it's not centralized. We're just shipping a client,
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Speaker 2: and then it's really up to as many users as
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Speaker 2: that are starting it how big it can be. So
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Speaker 2: it's really like you become a peer of the network.
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Speaker 2: You make the network bigger by using it. So we're
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Speaker 2: not supplying and supplying IPFS or swarm. We are just
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Speaker 2: giving access to it and we are running a note
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Speaker 2: for you or on your local client on your PC
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Speaker 2: on a computer, you are starting a note and you're
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Speaker 2: already starting passing on messages. So it's really kind of
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Speaker 2: completely new approach to how you would participate in the web.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, yeah, I'm looking at my download right now.
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Speaker 1: It's bringing in messages and sending out messages. So I
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Speaker 1: see the transactions going through. How much system resources is
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Speaker 1: it going to suck up?
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Speaker 2: It's a light note and in new case in ultra
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Speaker 2: light mode in swarm, so it means it really just
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Speaker 2: passes on messages. That's a few kilobytes on your Internet connection,
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Speaker 2: so very very little, maybe like one hundredth or like
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Speaker 2: one percent maximum two percent if you're just in the
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Speaker 2: kind of in an idle state. As soon as you
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Speaker 2: start accessing content, it does of course download like a
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Speaker 2: normal browser does, but it doesn't really upload any content
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Speaker 2: from your computer, so it doesn't take any art discreen sources.
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Speaker 2: It's really light. It's really just a reading interface at
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Speaker 2: this very point. So this will change in the future
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Speaker 2: and you will be able to even earn money by
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Speaker 2: running the browser and supplying storage space and bandwidth. But
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Speaker 2: that's not implemented yet.
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Speaker 1: When you say earn money, I'm assuming you're talking about
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Speaker 1: what ethereum.
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Speaker 2: Any cryptocurrency, so there will be ethereum or the kind
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Speaker 2: of coins that are native to the networks. So there's
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Speaker 2: the swarm bzzt token, and the IPFS has their own
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Speaker 2: token as well, right file coin. You might be able
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Speaker 2: to earn this just kind of what the network gives
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Speaker 2: you to supply and be part of the network as
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Speaker 2: a supplier of bandwidth and storage space.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so if you look at this on a normal person,
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Speaker 1: they look at a browser just like most likely Google
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Speaker 1: Chrome or Edge or something that they've been using for
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Speaker 1: a while. Why should they care about what you guys
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Speaker 1: are doing here with free your browser.
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Speaker 2: So the immediate need is not there, let's say yet.
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Speaker 2: But with censorship coming from all corners of the web,
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Speaker 2: may be by corporations, may be by countries, or ideologies, ideologies,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be more and more in need of
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Speaker 2: like free internet access, like really free and direct from
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Speaker 2: one peer to another without anymediary powers or providers. So
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Speaker 2: let's say a book or a certain version of the
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Speaker 2: constitution is no longer shown, you can access the original
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Speaker 2: through decentralized protocols. And so if you are in a
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Speaker 2: let's say warzone, you want to cover the war zone,
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Speaker 2: new coverage is going out, the Internet is blocked, heavily censored.
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Speaker 2: You could then just put it on one of these
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Speaker 2: decent list web networks and other people could access it
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Speaker 2: through the browser.
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Speaker 1: What would be the trade offs right now? If you're
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Speaker 1: if you say, hey, I want to I want to
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Speaker 1: run on Freedom browser, what would be the trade offs
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Speaker 1: I would have to give up? If I've been using
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Speaker 1: the Brave browser, which is to me much better than
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Speaker 1: the Chrome browser for speed. The ad blocking is very
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Speaker 1: significant it has a built in VPN. There's some benefits
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Speaker 1: to that. What would be my trade offs for that?
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Speaker 2: Right now, this is sort of a preview, right, so
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Speaker 2: we're in very very early days of student browser, and
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Speaker 2: there if you want to call it a trade off,
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Speaker 2: Let's say the feature set is very limited. So what
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Speaker 2: it does. It shows you centralized and decentralized websites, that's
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Speaker 2: kind of It has okay book marks function, and it
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Speaker 2: allows you also the next iteration, to publish content. That's
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Speaker 2: a real special thing. Let's say you want to access
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Speaker 2: something that's hosted on IPFS exclusively or hosted on the
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Speaker 2: swarm network exclusively, so there you cannot use Brave. Brief
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Speaker 2: Brave did have a implementation of IPFS a few years ago.
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Speaker 2: They kind of sunset that because not many people were
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Speaker 2: using it by Brave standards anyway. And with Freedom you
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Speaker 2: can access those websites again, so it's also like resilience.
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Speaker 2: Let's say a server goes down, a data center goes down,
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Speaker 2: Freedom will just continue displaying these websites because they are
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Speaker 2: not coming from a centralized place.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: You can be sure also that you get the content
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Speaker 2: that is meant to be published. If you go, for example,
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Speaker 2: to a dot eath address, right, so normally you would
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Speaker 2: say dot ether, dot limo, which is again a private
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Speaker 2: not private like a centralized gateway. But if you want
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Speaker 2: to be sure that you can also verify the content yourself,
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Speaker 2: you want to be absolutely sure, this is what Vitali
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Speaker 2: put on his website, then you use Brave browser because
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Speaker 2: that has the also the verification built in. So it's
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Speaker 2: like a very trusting environment almost like like a strong
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Speaker 2: encryption between you and the sender.
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Speaker 1: It seems like it navigates normally. Okay, so pretty much
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Speaker 1: everything that Chrome can do renders everything the same. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at videos now, no problem on YouTube. I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: RSS for podcasts playing things of that nature. Pretty much
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Speaker 1: the same way. Can you show me on your browser
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Speaker 1: the right capability because we were kind of showing that
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Speaker 1: for a minute prior show Can you show me exactly
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Speaker 1: what you're doing there?
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the Freedom Browser as I use it,
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Speaker 2: and as you just mentioned exactly. So the next iteration
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Speaker 2: will be the right and own part of the web
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Speaker 2: or the web three. So currently where we have shipped
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Speaker 2: a version that can read the decentralized web, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if you can see the el bar, so if
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Speaker 2: you like, I can reload here if you type like
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Speaker 2: me tally right, it looks like a domain name that
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Speaker 2: you haven't seen before. Yeah, it's really kind of a
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Speaker 2: native support for dot eath domains. So it would go
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Speaker 2: and look up the dot domain on the on the blockchain,
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Speaker 2: on the smart contract, resolve it to an address which
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Speaker 2: is not an ip address. It's like a hash, a
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Speaker 2: content hash, and then it kind of translates it to
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Speaker 2: something that the note can then fetch from the decentralized web.
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Speaker 2: So that's the reading part, right, and you can you
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Speaker 2: can do the same so for ext of this. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: dex website is also on the decentralized webs on IPFS,
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Speaker 2: as you can see here with this little lichen. And
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Speaker 2: then there's swarm dot ether, which is actually the organization
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Speaker 2: behind the Swarm network, and of course they have a
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Speaker 2: website on the Swarm network as well. You can just
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Speaker 2: kind of yeah, but yeah, the browser shows all of
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Speaker 2: these things. If you then want to share something here,
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Speaker 2: let's let me just READO this you can type and
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Speaker 2: that's the current implementation freedom smash publish and it gives
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Speaker 2: you an interface to write it's almost like a if
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Speaker 2: you're familiar with FTP or file upload, it's the similar
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Speaker 2: kind of mechanisms. But what it does actually it publishes
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Speaker 2: to the decent list web, which which is pretty exciting issually.
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Speaker 2: So let's do that. Put a very secret message here forbidden,
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Speaker 2: and I just press publish here and you see how
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Speaker 2: fast it is. It generates a swarm hash because this
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Speaker 2: publishes through the swarm network, and that's similar to an
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Speaker 2: IP address in old networks. And you can just take
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Speaker 2: this one then and open a new tap. Just put
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Speaker 2: the hash here and it will then load. It's not
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Speaker 2: a website, it's a file and it will show this
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Speaker 2: forbidden message. I can send this link to you now
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Speaker 2: and you can open it on your network as well.
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Speaker 2: So what happens is the browser publishes to the local
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Speaker 2: note and then it kind of pushes it out to
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Speaker 2: At the moment, let me check how many notes two
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four notes that it's connected to,
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Speaker 2: and those will all replicate it in full. Because it's
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Speaker 2: a small file, or in part of it's a big file,
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Speaker 2: you can do the same with a with a file
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Speaker 2: with a folder. So this is something that I published
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Speaker 2: during the demo and at ECC it's an image also
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Speaker 2: accessible via this hash. Yeah, that's how easy it is
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Speaker 2: to publish.
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Speaker 1: Essentially, this is skirting outside the typical cloud flare or
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Speaker 1: any other infrastructure that runs the network as we know
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Speaker 1: it today, the Internet. So if you've got a decentralized
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Speaker 1: a dex and they're like you're showing one inch on IPFS,
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Speaker 1: that means essentially you could still do a swap without
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Speaker 1: any kind of Internet capability other than running directly on
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Speaker 1: the open wind. Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: You need the Internet, But if the web is down,
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Speaker 2: let's say the web service that's hosting the one inch
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Speaker 2: website flare, it goes.
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Speaker 1: Down, like cloud cloud Flare goes down exactly.
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Speaker 2: Jobs, so it goes down. This will just work. It's
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Speaker 2: not affected. It's that's really that shows the strength And
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Speaker 2: one of the inspirations also to do this was when
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Speaker 2: cloud fare and other centralized or central services to the
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Speaker 2: Internet went down, and I was like, this is a
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Speaker 2: solved problem, Like, but it needs to be easily accessible, right.
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Speaker 2: It's just also when we talk cyber attacks and like
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Speaker 2: sort of cyber warfare, which you know happens more and
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Speaker 2: more and more frequently this is not affected. So this
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Speaker 2: is a it's a failed safe mechanism also for these things.
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Speaker 2: So if you have essential infrastructure like websites for disaster recovery,
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Speaker 2: you can host it on decentralized networks and they will happen.
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Speaker 2: They will still work even with a fraction of the
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Speaker 2: Internet working. Well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, we talk about decentralized social media.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about federated social media for a long time
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Speaker 1: here on our channel. Is that something that could eventually
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Speaker 1: start to migrate into Freedom, you know, into the Freedom
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Speaker 1: browser as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually we're working also on something called swarm It.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a little not to Reddit, and it's
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Speaker 2: a decentralized reddit censorship resistant. It's anonymous to a certain extent,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it will will keep running when everything else
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Speaker 2: is done interest or being attacked or so. Also, d
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Speaker 2: doors is not really an issue because you would have
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Speaker 2: to know which hosts or which peers has been posted
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Speaker 2: on and then attack and direct get their appear dress impossible. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So it's just kind of this superior technology when you
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Speaker 2: see it from a technology a standpoint, and Freedom is
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Speaker 2: an approach to really bring this not to the masses yet,
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Speaker 2: but to an interested audience like yourself and maybe some
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Speaker 2: of your viewers, to kind of make that yeah, accessible
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Speaker 2: and just for people to experience what it's actually like,
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of talk about it. IPFS has
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Speaker 2: been around for many, many years, almost ten years, and
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Speaker 2: this is now finally bringing it to someone that doesn't
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Speaker 2: really know much about how to set up a gateway,
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Speaker 2: how to set up a peer. Just download Freedom and
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Speaker 2: you can look at it straight away.
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Speaker 1: Go from there. Okay, so let's talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: about what kind of Web three plugins might mike their
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Speaker 1: way over to Freedom Browser. What would be coming up
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Speaker 1: let's say in the next year on Freedom Browser, there
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Speaker 1: might be more Web three oriented or AI oriented in
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Speaker 1: a way.
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Speaker 2: It's a agnostic interface, so whatever people publish, and that's
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Speaker 2: also where we work in a very decentralized way as
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Speaker 2: an organization, we can show whatever people put on these
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Speaker 2: decentralized networks. We don't run ipfs, we don't run swarm,
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Speaker 2: So if people decide to put files there and put
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Speaker 2: websites there, they can. They're automatically working in Freedom as well.
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Speaker 2: So what we need to do essentially, we have like
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Speaker 2: a nineteen ninety three mosaic browser moment here where it's
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Speaker 2: a bit of a chicken and egg situation. So you
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Speaker 2: have a browser that can show decentralized websites, yet there
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Speaker 2: aren't so many decentralized website out there out there, but
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Speaker 2: for discovery, for example, you could have a search engine.
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Speaker 2: We're also kind of thinking about that. Other people could
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Speaker 2: write a search engine that you can kind of search
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Speaker 2: the d web and only return d web sites. That's
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Speaker 2: one thing. Also I mentioned this formats the decentralized Weddit,
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Speaker 2: which is, you know, a social network, you identify with
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Speaker 2: your public key and you write with your private key,
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Speaker 2: So it uses this private public keypair mechanism to authenticate you,
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Speaker 2: to give you a right access, rights management, also ownership,
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Speaker 2: and also currency. So you can also easily tip someone
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Speaker 2: just because you have their address already. That's their user
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Speaker 2: name essentially the user and translates to or can translate
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Speaker 2: to a dot ether name makes it human as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that would be one of the
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Speaker 1: big benefits is being able to go direct like that.
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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued with where this is going as far as
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Speaker 1: a roadmap that you guys are looking at. I noticed
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Speaker 1: something on your browser, it looked like you had the
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Speaker 1: wallet icon up there on the right hand side, So
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Speaker 1: does that mean that's that's kind of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what you saw on my scheme is the development version,
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Speaker 2: and we're heavily working on a wallet impleantation. Because browsers
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Speaker 2: and wallet's for me from my view, and most of
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Speaker 2: the people in Web three belong together, so many wallets
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Speaker 2: have a browser inside. This is going to be a
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Speaker 2: browser with a wallet inside. So it's not an extension.
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Speaker 2: It's really fully integrated and a first class citizen in
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Speaker 2: the browser. It can interact very naturally with everything on
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Speaker 2: the website that comes is supplied by the user agent
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Speaker 2: the browser, and not as an extension, not injected into
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Speaker 2: the page. It really comes with the browser and therefore
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Speaker 2: has many more capabilities. And yeah, it doesn't need to
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Speaker 2: talk to a remote gateway. It can publish directly from
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Speaker 2: the browser into the decent liized networks or peer to
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Speaker 2: peer networks. So that's very very powerful. It's almost like
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Speaker 2: a side effect, you know, because we're using the underlying
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Speaker 2: technologies already. Yeah, and to put that in was a
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Speaker 2: bit of let's say, glue work blue coat, but the
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Speaker 2: fundamentals were already in there because they come with these
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Speaker 2: d web networks.
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Speaker 1: Listen, I was around in the Netscape Explore battles when
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Speaker 1: those two browsers were essentially fighting, you know, blood sweat
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Speaker 1: and tears kind of thing. Are you at all concerned
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Speaker 1: about the major browsers out there? I mean, you look
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Speaker 1: at Brave. I mean this is a guy who spun off.
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Speaker 1: He was more concerned about security, which is why Brave
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Speaker 1: has grown so fast and has become a big browser.
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Speaker 1: Firefox obviously from Mozilla, which was really the origin of
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Speaker 1: trying to get privacy back. But are you guys concerned
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Speaker 1: at all about you know, the Chromes of the World's
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Speaker 1: the Microsoft and the edge browsers of the world trying
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Speaker 1: to basically get this out of here because this would
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Speaker 1: essentially defeat everything they're doing right now.
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Speaker 2: If you put like that, I get a little bit
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Speaker 2: scared and I feel like me feel their their breath
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Speaker 2: in my neck. It's not meant to be that. So
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Speaker 2: if you look at how Linux started, right it was
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Speaker 2: posted by h.
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Speaker 1: See Chrome, Chrome has struck again. Funny, we see we
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Speaker 1: talked about Google and what happened. Oh, it's just fitting,
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Speaker 1: It's just boom the interview is over.
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Speaker 2: This is because it's an open source project. Freedom is
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Speaker 2: fully open source and a nonprofit. It's not really evolved
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Speaker 2: as a nonprofit organization yet because it's so new. So
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Speaker 2: we started the project like four or five months ago.
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Speaker 2: It's very very fresh. But that is definitely the plan
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Speaker 2: to have it as a non profit project, just to
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Speaker 2: kind of enable something in the web that we believe
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Speaker 2: humanity if you want to be very yeah, let's use
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Speaker 2: big words umanity needs and kind of should have. So
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Speaker 2: we are free enough to be also free from economic
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Speaker 2: pressures as developers, so we have the freedom too. We
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Speaker 2: need to look into this and also put our own
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Speaker 2: resources in it, and we need to make something that
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Speaker 2: we believe the world needs. So kind of I want
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Speaker 2: to see the change, you know, I want to be
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Speaker 2: the change that I want to see in the world.
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Speaker 2: And this is really one expression on that.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're working on this, so, you know, because
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Speaker 1: I have a big freedom proponent, and I think privacy
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Speaker 1: is another big factor that we're dealing with right now
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Speaker 1: around the world. And if we can get a browser
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Speaker 1: that finally doesn't spy on us, that would be nice.
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Speaker 1: But min all it's been great having you on the show.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as great talking about it. Thanks for that.
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