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Living deliberately without money for over 20 years · UK Column Radio

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David Arthur Johnston, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Oh, really happy to be here. Quickly, what is your
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background? I'm a anxiety ridden high school
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dropout that did acid and figured out what God looked
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like. Subsequently was in a position
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where I saw somebody needed to stop using money and I was, I
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was in that position. Yeah.
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That that, that money ultimately it's not a dogma thing.
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It's not a a religious fast. It's a money's actually ever
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more than 51% bad. Like money is not a neutral
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thing. I'm trying to think where to
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even start. You said that it's not a dogma
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thing, so let's just start there.
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What do you mean by that? That it's not a religious
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excursion. It's more of a, well, almost
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anarchistic, but more right place, right time like I grew up
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for. When I was 12, I figured I'd
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have to learn to drink coffee without sugar just in case I
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wouldn't be able to afford it. And I was always very minimalist
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and objective and clinical, A bit of a fuck up really.
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I I couldn't really. I, I had no real skills beyond
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perseverance. So when you talk about money,
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because it's it seems to be a relative concept, I live in
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Africa and I see a lot of poverty around me.
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But I've often said that poverty only exists in relation to
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materialism because you could ask the question, is a Bushman
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poor? And you could probably say no.
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Absolutely. Well, it's there's a giant con
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going on like like the the fantastical or absurd reality is
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food grows on trees and we're light.
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Well, we're angels essentially, but I'll get into that later.
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That it, it's, it's not human nature per SE.
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It's more of this brand delusion that's been imposed on us that
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that touches each human individually, globally.
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It, it makes us a bit nuts. And so we, we basically money is
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an arbitrary thing. And when we depend on it, like
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we're, we're not allowed to adapt for survival's sake
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without having money as a necessity.
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And if we don't have the money, we can't adapt.
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But ultimately we could adapt if money wasn't an issue, AKA food
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grows on trees, like, but that that's all moot.
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Like, like ultimately it's not about creating a, a better
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world. It's about rathering death than
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not being noble. You use the word anarchistic,
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and I think that's very profound because anarchy means without
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ruler, and what you're implying there is that money is a ruler.
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It absolutely has a social contract like to be money
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dependent. Well, the money has the
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authority to tell you to shut up and sit down.
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So, so patience be with us because the you know, if I'm not
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crazy and money is actually more than 51% bad, then you know
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what, what am I saying? Am I asking all people in the
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world to arbitrarily just outright stop using money now
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and face the consequence? Well, ultimately, yeah, but
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that's not going to happen. And so it becomes a, an imposed
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monkishness thing where you you say patience a lot and you sort
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of invite a mass global nervous breakdown like you did.
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It becomes this monkish path of laying the groundwork for for
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some crazy miracle that will break us out of this this
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delusionary trap or in this tyrannical madness.
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There's a lot that I want to unpack there, but let's just
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quickly go back to your journey. I'd love to just follow that
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path up until where we are now. Oh my gosh, there's antidote
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after antidote, like so many little interesting stories like
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so So what? What are we on now?
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They what? What were the inspirations
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making? Stop using money or what is it?
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Yeah, so you stopped what, about 20 years ago?
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More or less you decided to give up money.
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Yeah, June 27, 2003. That is incredible.
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OK, let's go back there. Tommy.
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Tommy, what happened just before that and the lead up to that and
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how you went through that process?
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Well, I guess it all really starts in 1997.
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June 28, did a bunch of acid, went down to the ocean, figured
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out what God looked like, and had this somewhat of a nervous
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breakdown. I ended up going and living on
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my mother's couch for a year because I refused to go back in
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my room because I wouldn't admit that I moved back.
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This, I was 20, 4/25/26 at the time around there and then a
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year of putting thoughts together of this revelation that
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I had. And then I came out of it.
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I saw that I would never have a conventional job again.
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I wrote little books. Just the constant articulation
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of, of how to make people more sane or, or how to make people
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less sad. That's always sort of been the,
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the generic goal. And so I had an uncle in
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Victoria. I ended up in Victoria, told my
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mom, yeah, I'm going to go to school.
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I never went to school. I got a job baking down at the
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ocean every day, like country kid from central Alberta in
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Victoria, beautiful ocean, developed marijuana habit.
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The coffee routine, I was baking so I was getting up at 4:00 in
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the morning and off at noon. Beautiful hippie chick upfront
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that I fell in love with. And she says do you want to come
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smoke a joint with me and my boyfriend?
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Like, yeah, yeah, that would be wonderful anyhow.
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And so I have these all these beautiful experiences of a young
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man growing up, first time alone in this beautiful place, but
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still very conscious, a desire to always be whatever, learn,
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learn conscientiousness. What I've always wanted to be
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smart and then through a, a, a series of adventures, I went to
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Korea, came back, had a nervous breakdown, had a motorbike, gave
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it away. The fellow who I gave it to gave
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me a bunch of acids. And at that point it, it became
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I'm, I'm, I needed to put myself in a position where I had no
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responsibility, like I always was responsible.
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And so I gave my job a month's notice and all of this.
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And, and so I had, I didn't know what was going to happen after I
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had my epiphany, like I was going to sit down, do acid,
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figured out what God looked like.
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And then I didn't know what was going to happen after that.
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And so I did, went a bit nuts and then ended up back in Vic in
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2000, meditating down at the harbor every day.
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It's a very touristy town, so there was always very much an
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international crowds walking by every day.
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And so multiple conversations about the meaning of life every
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day for five years, 10 hours a day, I was sitting at well, like
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2 to 10 hours a day. I was sitting down there every
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day. Then I met wonderful people.
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There was a it's convoluted, forgive me.
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There was a tent city in 2002 on the lawn of legislature
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building. After four days, it was a
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students protesting student tuitions going up or somewhat,
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but they set up tents. And after four days, I realized
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they needed my help, or I presume they did.
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And I went up there and met some wonderful folk.
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And one of these folk became a a dear, dear friend.
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And we developed a number of friends.
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We called ourselves the Raccoon Gang.
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We were we were smart and and homeless, not by choice as many
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people would say, but by calling.
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You could say like we weren't destitute, we weren't desperate,
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we were happy to experience suffering as a curiosity.
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But I digress. This one friend stopped using
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money about a month and a half before I did.
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He, he started using money again probably a month after I
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stopped, but that, that was the general I already was living
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outside. I was living on a meagerness of,
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of GST checks, whatever, just this quarterly step in the
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government sends out. And so I, I was already prepped
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for, for what I was doing. I didn't come right out of a job
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with an apartment that I was taking care of.
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I I eased into the position you could say, and from then on I
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just became the, the guy who doesn't use money, who says
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patience a lot, talks about the nature of existence in God and
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stuff. You live this way in a
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materialistic environment. I mean, it would be different if
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you're living like this, let's say in the middle of Africa
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somewhere right, where it's where it's very broken down, but
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you're living in a first world city.
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Yeah, well, you know, magic isn't real.
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We're we're in the environments we're in and, you know, the ebbs
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and flows of whatever sort of political or craziness that's
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going on, social craziness. That's yes, it's, it, it is a, a
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first world thing and there are, I don't know what about you.
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You could say, you know, that there there's no shortage of
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free coffee like the, the, the, the homeless people have
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attention. I I, I don't say care, but they
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have attention. Sorry, why?
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What? What do you mean by that?
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It's, it's a corporate thing and it's another whole thing that
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ultimately the, the corporate tough love equates to a science
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of least care possible. And that's felt.
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And then you add on top an addiction epidemic, which I see
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as consciously imposed, but we don't have to go there right
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now. What was it?
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What was the origin of that thought?
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But on a practical level, I mean, how do you live right now?
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You're sitting what appears to be in a house with a computer.
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Now, if you don't have money, you don't have those things.
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I have friends, right, which it's, it's a fascinating, really
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just the, the almost a, a, a document or a proof of karma.
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Not not that I depend on karma, but it's kept me alive to this
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point. When people know you don't want
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their money, it's easier to make friends.
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That's true. Yeah, and you know, also I got
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the monkish stuff. And so it's it can be
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intriguing, like humbly, I'm an interesting person.
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And that that, you know, some of that just goes to the character
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that I've become just a, an aspirant of nobility, like just
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the, the if I'm not going to use money, I may as well go full
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good, sort of. What have been some of your
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biggest sacrifices? If I'm correct and, and forgive
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me if I if I've got this wrong, but you have a sick where you
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had a sick mother who you've not been able to visit as a result.
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Is that correct? No, not quite.
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I don't know. My mother passed a number of
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years ago. She was quite an Angel when I
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was. I don't know if you've read that
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article, but I also catalyzed the right to sleep that that's
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the. No, no, which is why I've
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probably got my wires crossed here in doing my homework.
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I apologise if I've got. Some of the fact during the this
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campaign to but whatever we got the Supreme Court in BC to
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acknowledge that sleep is the right and therefore tense became
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legal and I became the most hated man in corporate
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provincial area of almost work global almost there was a moment
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there I was known. Oh, I digress.
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Well, I was asking about some of your the, the, your biggest
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sacrifices that you've had to make.
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Well it's always a perceived sacrifice, like the the path
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that's laid out before me is the only thing I could ever have
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done. There are are very sacrifices,
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heart wrenching and always a lesson in patience and
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seriousness. I have a couple kids that I
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haven't seen in 13 years, not as not as an abandonment.
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I just have to finish this job first.
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They're happy, healthy living on the other side of the island.
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Mother and the boyfriend or husband.
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I'm not sure they're so that that is the entirety of the only
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thing that comes to mind when I think of sacrifice.
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Like the I can't have that life unless I pull off a miracle.
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And so I become pragmatic, objective, almost monkish priest
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with monkish priest bows. But ultimately those vows get
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readdressed. If there is actually a a moment
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where all humans on Earth have a little nervous breakdown like an
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impending miracle, I see it as objective normalization.
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Although I've been running around in my head for so long, I
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know how it sounds to people who are hearing it for the first
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time. Yeah.
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Yeah. My kids like if mayhaps when
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they find me, they'll know that I never tried to build another
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life like it's there truly hasn't been abandoned and it's
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just been well, we're we're in hell and their dad saw how hell
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ends and take that as people will take that as they may.
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What is your vision then? You you obviously wake up with a
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purpose. Well, basically ultimately evil
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is not real. Like categorically evil is not a
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real thing in existence. There is insanity that wants to
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be perceived as evil. Ultimately, the entirety of all
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of existence of a single object, which is made evident in a
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leaf's inability to fall random randomly.
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AKA everyone is nuts. Who thinks free will is real
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like that? There was a really intriguing
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again, I need to find more. I need a thesaurus.
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The Inquisition. No one on earth would think free
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will is real but for the Inquisition burning all of the
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heretics who said humans were not exceptional like that?
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Yeah, we've been conned. But that that's the height of my
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weirdness. Is that long term analytical of
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the weird reality that no one chooses to be crazy?
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Sometimes I feel like the luckiest man alive like but it's
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it's more of AI am resigned to rather die happy than desperate.
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And also, you're not enslaved by the system in in a in a weird
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sort of paradoxical kind of way, you have a lot more freedom than
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the people around you. Which is interesting because
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that in itself becomes a an inescapable path like I my life
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cease to be its own The the I I'm drawn by this invariable
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help the world see the base fundamental truth so everyone
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can figure out well, hate can leave Earth, but the problem
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with hate leaving earth is that money dies like.
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Is that what you'd like to see? People generally rejecting money
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and by extension materialism. Not so much.
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It's a natural consequence, like the when people break the
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enthrallment of of human exceptionalism, Pride.
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That's the why Pride's the original then.
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It comes before the fall. Well, you can't be insane in any
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other way without being proud first.
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I did too. Like our our culture has been so
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abused that we forgot that sin means insane.
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Like sin isn't condemnable with vengeance and vindictiveness and
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spite. Like you can't to hate, to hate
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evil is, you know, spite for the devil is still spite.
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My brain's like a messy desktop. You'll have to forgive me
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because of the there's My story goes back and forth from
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different variables, and it always leads back to the same
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fundamental motivating factor, which is everyone who thinks
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free will is real is a psychopathically delusional
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victim of brainwashing. I I tend to agree with you,
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David. I've thought about this idea of
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free will a lot actually over the years, and it's it's fairly
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evident that it isn't real. We have to pretend it is,
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otherwise money stops working. Why do you say that though?
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What is your? What is the relationship between
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the idea of free wall and money? Well, how many industries are
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dependent on distrust? Basically that like the an
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enlightened society will find itself unable to stomach
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arbitrary money dependent. And that's what it is.
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It's it's sort of interesting. It's it's like democracy.
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Like democracy doesn't work. Democracy is a sort of a a tyran
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tyrants wet dream. It's theater.
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Yes, very much so. Very much so.
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We can get into the, you know, Hitler as a Patsy, you know,
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later if you want that. Ultimately, the moment we're at
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a position where democracy would work, we wouldn't need it.
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Just on a, again, on a pragmatic level, if somebody sees you and
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they come to you with money, I'm guessing you would reject the
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money. I reject it, and if there's
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insistence, I destroy it. What do you mean destroy?
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It what do you mean destroy it? Like throw it away.
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No, like, well, they and I don't know what your, if your money's
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plastic yet. Our, our, all our bills are
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plastic now, but we can't straight up burn them anymore.
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And so now I just sort of melt the serial numbers.
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Oh wow, isn't that? Isn't that?
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It's illegal. It's straight up yes I.
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Was wondering if that's against, but I mean, I don't care about
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that. I'm just wondering if the
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government's trying to keep hold of its, of its money that's in
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circulation and if you're destroying it, that's quite a
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middle finger to the, to the authorities, which is great.
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I I approve by the way. It's, you know, I always get a
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little, little smirker chuckle when I get to do it.
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And I, you know, again, I try to avoid vindictiveness or, or, or,
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you know, I, I sometimes I need to remember people don't need
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someone pointing out how shitty money is sometimes, Yeah.
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You correct me if I'm wrong. Did you try to run in a local
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election? I've run for mayor twice in Vic.
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I don't know. I don't know what to make of
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that. How, how do I ask questions
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around that? What I mean what, what does it
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mean if you become mayor and you and you don't have money or
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you're opposed to money? I would act as the city as far
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as mayoral things of okaying budgets and and whatnot like
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that. As far as a paycheck, I'm sure
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the mother of my kids would be easily grab it.
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Yeah, yeah, more so I think the the ideal would be to like for a
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mayor that doesn't use money, the only primary directive would
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be to come out of debt. Yes to, to, Yeah, to to bring,
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bring it to even Steven. Hi David.
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So you said earlier that evil doesn't exist, and I forgot to
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ask you what you mean by that. What?
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So let's just break apart that concept.
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Why do you say evil doesn't exist?
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I mean, would you consider a child being molested not evil?
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I would consider it insane, but not evil.
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Why though? Because the perpetrators are
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crazy. But can you not see the actors?
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Evil what? I'm.
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Trying to. Understand this.
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Yeah, yeah. What I'm trying to understand is
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the the aversion to the word evil or the OR the concept of
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evil. Because evil allows for hate of
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evil like, which allows for the spite and the vindictiveness and
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the anger and the rage. Right, I understand, OK.
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When ultimately, like speaking marshally, when you know your
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enemy isn't evil, then they have a harder time taking you off
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your center with goading or or whatnot.
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Like if if you have forgiven your enemy, then it's only a
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matter of interjection without resentment.
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Understand, OK. I see what you the path of the
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warrior. Yes, I see what you're getting
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at. So if evil doesn't exist, then
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money is the root of all insanity.
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It's up there if it's up there. Money is sort of the lifeblood
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of a prideful construct. Now let's just take this to the
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logical polar opposite right here.
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So let's let's assume that more and more and more people are
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inspired by you and start rejecting money and, and
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becoming not reliant on, on, you know, the monetary system.
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What happens eventually? What I mean, how do you see it
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playing out? Because how do you things like
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aeroplanes get built and how do you travel?
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It will start with a nervous breakdown like the Earth has
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never seen before. Like that's that's the hard
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three weapons because it will be an aversion to money dependent
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will how it how it will start. And so people will find
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themselves equating austerity with beauty and with the added
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consequences of all the other stuff.
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The the the looking toward a future where it would be in
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everyone's best interest to make friends with your neighbors.
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It would be in everyone's best interest to just invite an
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angelic well, innovation. And, and yeah, you know, and,
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and all of the, you know, from every angle, like little
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booklets on survival or, or seed gardens or gardening projects or
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like, but ultimately it it always comes down to it's not
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about making a new world. It's about rathering anything
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else but hell like or like death is better like the the that you
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need that level of cavalierness not to invite death, but to know
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that there are things worse than which is to say to be a pitch to
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a tyrant because it ultimately your kids aren't allowed to grow
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up enlightened like enlightenment becomes illegal.
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Basically, you're you, you have to play along with this thing
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and the realization that that is exactly literal hell.
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Like that's the an eternity where you're not allowed to be
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smart and everyone's just pretend that's that's just the
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the threaten of a future that's not going to happen.
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Just something good, the conjectures.
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How bad it would be, It's hard to say because there's, there's,
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you know, lots of conjectures about how it would start.
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Would it start as a religious thing or would it start as a
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grassroots Y thing? But ultimately it's hard not to
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personalize it like to to look at the the situation without my
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character because I've seen that I've put a lot of thought into
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what it is to be noble and then may have to put some thought
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into what it means to be a thing.
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And it has something to do with giving the people a picture of
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non entangled like this is what it looks like to not be
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entangled with that that mire of absurdity.
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And people will say patience a lot.
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Well, that there's so many like the it's almost chaotic.
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If chaos was real. The the variable.
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There's, you know, a lot of people who are seeing the world
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is worse and worse and worse every day with with like loudly
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and profoundly. There is no hope.
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I'm never going to, you know, have a home, let alone live in a
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world that's not, you know, having this grand soap opera to
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have a genocide happen. All of this and so sorry.
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Now go on. Sorry.
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I was just going to say that we, we, it's, I always have to go to
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the root. I remain around the root.
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Like poetically, an angel's job is to give her a picture of
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heaven and then people's brains just do the rest.
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The brains are the saving grace. Like the brains have a intrinsic
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relationship with truth. Like the a brain sees truth and
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an ego ignores it. The brain will make crazy like.
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And so ultimately we don't own our brains in that regard.
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You know, it's easy to conjecture, you know, hell as a
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reality, shoulder to shoulder, no fresh air, no fresh water,
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line UPS up the mountain to get the a little bit of beauty.
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Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a fan of the condos.
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No one is holy bereft of a, you know, a soul of a soul or
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whatever you want to call it soulishness.
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And so all these little habits we have are a way of maintaining
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it just because the, the situation is not natural.
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You're not like the, the skyscrapers and, and and just
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the basically what, what I would call a money dependent
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municipalities or cities. Like it's absurd and will always
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fail. Like you people need to have the
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option of being able to sustain themselves.
37:25
Like every, every resident needs a garden.
37:29
That's what's one of my mayoral things.
37:31
I was going to make a garden tax.
37:33
Like if you don't have a garden. You get taxi if you don't have a
37:37
garden. Yeah.
37:40
That is, I love that. We'll, we'll, we'll see how it
37:46
flies. Yeah, No, people will be good.
37:54
Like in this universe where magic doesn't exist, it only
38:02
takes a bit of thinking and a little bit of meditation to have
38:06
full on realization that you are the Buddha.
38:11
Like you are the representative of the entirety of all in in the
38:19
in your beingness as light. You said earlier a couple times,
38:25
David, that you you saw what God looks like.
38:30
Explain that to me. Well it revolves around the no
38:37
leaf falls randomly but like I've recently been I have two
38:42
questions I've been giving people.
38:45
Basically, do leaves fall randomly and how many things are
38:50
there? Do leaves fall randomly?
38:57
I'm I'm guessing the answer is no.
39:00
No, they don't. Yeah.
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Yeah. And how many things are there
39:03
that I don't know? Well, that no leaf falls
39:07
randomly means literally the entirety of existence is a
39:12
single object like the. We are expressions of the
39:18
singular motion, like life is all an expression of the same
39:29
beginningless motion. And that's the face of God.
39:35
Well, that the whole is a singular thing that that that
39:40
ultimately the the conceptualization of God is
39:44
correct with with no least falls random like that, that the
39:51
reality of like what's easier to conjecture a beginningless
39:58
universe or a big universe with a beginning?
40:03
And so we're, we're dealing with a grandness without beginning,
40:16
but we're, you know, So what went wrong?
40:20
What went wrong, David? Back back in history, what went
40:23
wrong? How did we end up where we are
40:24
now? Nothing went wrong.
40:26
The the devil is as natural as a mountain stream, like it's all
40:31
all has been whatever necessary, natural, purposeful, but but
40:41
ultimately I the apple was fire. Like we found fire and we
40:50
started thinking we were magical and we went nuts.
40:55
And and so we had all of this massive innovation and, and all
40:59
of this, you know, over the millennia with cascading
41:03
innovation, but also carrying along the like that was the
41:10
birth of the tyrant. The tyrant started to realize,
41:20
you know, if humans were made to think that they were magically
41:23
different and special, then you could straight up and slave
41:29
them. So ultimately the the you know,
41:35
getting back to the garden is to break that spell like the except
41:41
that, you know, fire is amazing and we're pretty cool, but we're
41:46
not special like thinking we're special discounts what it is to
41:53
be like in general and to accept that what we would want to think
41:58
of life as general is actually life the amazing like we are
42:07
generic life. Look what we've done now.
42:13
If we become generic life that becomes self aware, like to
42:17
break this spell. Well, you know, you, you imagine
42:23
a billion gardeners that didn't have to pay rent anymore.
42:31
And so there, there, you know, a lot of the stories, you know,
42:34
the, the pictures of heaven and hell.
42:36
I was thinking the person who came up with the word divinity
42:40
knew what they were talking about.
42:43
And so there's like there's words for the things that that
42:50
we've forgotten, AKA, you know, to divine is to figure out.
42:59
It's not a form of magic. It's not this mysticism.
43:03
It's just the operating system of life, our OS, but we and so
43:11
it's the the problem isn't the conceptualization of God.
43:14
The problem is, the lie that's been put on top of it like God
43:18
is actually not that complex. It's just that we think humans
43:26
can do anything at any moment out of nothing, which allows for
43:34
this mysticism of thinking that they can do evil things, when in
43:37
fact, everything anyone ever does is the consequence of all
43:41
of the experience that led them to that point.
43:45
Like nothing comes from nowhere. And that's the sort of the, the,
43:50
the basis for all the, the Stoic things like the Stoicism and the
43:56
pragmatism. Marcus Aurelius.
44:00
Yeah, yeah. Like the yeah, he was, He was
44:06
Jesus, really like all of the all of the the founders.
44:12
But that was always the thing. Pride is the delusion.
44:15
Humility is the other side of that.
44:21
Do you adopt some of those teachings from from great
44:25
religious leaders like Jesus himself and or Buddha or
44:28
Muhammad? Or whatever the words, the words
44:31
carry. I, I have a great appreciation
44:34
for the Norwegian, like the Scandinavian Odin, like Odin the
44:38
man and those, those notions of Bragg and rock.
44:44
Like I see Odin as, you know, same as Jesus, same as Muhammad,
44:49
same as Brunanic. And the Sikhs, like they all
44:54
sort of saw what I'm saying now, like just that we don't choose,
45:00
we divine. Like, you'll find that hidden in
45:03
the bottom of most Bibles and and and whatnot in text that
45:10
there's nothing, you know, nothing comes but forgot.
45:19
Even Bill Hicks. I digress.
45:23
He was very funny. OK, he was wonderful.
45:26
He'd be a real Angel. Like, like he helped a lot of
45:31
people be smart. David, on a day-to-day basis,
45:36
your engagement with people, how is it?
45:46
Nice, I. Mean Are people very good to
45:48
you, or do people treat you very Yeah kindly?
45:52
Yeah, I got, I got a little bit of an OG thing going on.
45:59
I get mad respect and then just in this town like I'm well known
46:05
and then I'm generally he's really nice, but he's a bit
46:12
weird. So so I I get AI get good
46:15
respect. Sometimes madness.
46:24
People don't like being told that rage is arbitrarily an
46:30
embarrassing tantrum like that. There's no such thing as
46:34
righteous rage, which is an interesting one that brings the
46:38
idea of exorcisms. Just the the there's really
46:45
something if if you know. Yeah, when you said righteous
46:48
red, you mean? You mean like getting angry at
46:51
what you'd consider to be an unethical act?
46:56
Right, right. Like the the, the more and more
47:01
you're you're imbued or whatever with the understanding that
47:04
nothing comes from nowhere. So somebody walks past you and
47:08
they just randomly start beating you up.
47:10
And I get angry at that. That would be a righteous rage.
47:13
Well, that that would be a want of a righteous rage.
47:17
Like there's really no such thing.
47:19
OK, but it like rage is ultimately sophomore, which
47:27
which is always, you know, people who are ready to rage.
47:29
They love hearing that. There's the it's interesting,
47:34
though, just the the mid exorcism.
47:38
You might get punched, but the punch will always be pulled
47:43
because you can't hate something that can't hate.
47:45
It's an interesting. It's another ninja thing like
47:49
the yeah, like Jesus was a ninja.
47:55
Turn the other cheek. Rather be dead than afraid.
48:02
And then you get mad respect. Like people like if they have
48:05
some uncle or something in their past and some coolness, they'll
48:09
attribute that to you and then they can't like they can't rage
48:16
at it. It's an interesting thing like
48:21
that. You invite the devil to do
48:22
what's worst and then the you know, the the worst thing the
48:28
devil can do is bring more attention to you.
48:30
So the devil leaves you alone. Oh, patience, be with me, a
48:44
cacophony of thought. If.
48:51
If. If you could impart a negative
48:55
wisdom to those listening to this right now, what?
48:59
What would you say? The go to his patience be with
49:07
you. The next is you're literally an
49:18
Angel. Nothing comes from nowhere.
49:23
No one chooses to be crazy. I've said it all.
49:28
Just for clarity. When you talk.
49:31
Yes. When you when you talk about
49:32
angels, what do you mean? I mean expressions of God,
49:41
expressions of the singular, like everything mortal, can be
49:47
considered an Angel. Right, right, right.
49:49
So, so, so. Evil doesn't exist, but good
49:52
does. Yes, yeah, and there is no after
49:57
way. The hell is now.
50:00
Heaven is the future. So that means make the absolute
50:07
best of what you have now. Just just really jive on
50:15
patience, like don't be afraid to think it 1000 times a day.
50:21
It make a practice of quick drawing.
50:23
The thought that it's, it's really interesting, like in, in
50:31
some areas, I don't know if you have much experience with
50:33
psychedelia or, or any of your, you know, your viewers.
50:40
But if you're doing LSD or, or or psychedelic and you start
50:44
having a bad trip, a bad trip is just basically your brain
50:49
practicing telling ghost stories and doing its best to try and
50:52
think the worst thought, a simple utterance in thought or
50:58
out loud of the word patience. Brexit, like the, the, it's,
51:04
it's sort of like a cheat code for ending bad trips.
51:07
Just think the word patience. And then suddenly you're the
51:13
opposite of concerns. You know, patience be with us.
51:19
What books do you read or or have you read that that you have
51:23
found inspiring? Well doing of course all the
51:30
usual ones I guess Doom Lord of the Rings Lord of the Rings were
51:34
favorite well and and Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings I
51:40
feel is acia abomination that the entire born of Lord of the
51:47
Rings was the scouring of the Shire.
51:49
Like what happens when they come home and save the day from
51:53
corruption? And also the tongue kiss with
51:58
girl Harsh at the end of wedding scene.
52:01
I know. Tom Bombardil.
52:02
I digress. Yeah.
52:05
Yeah. Daodejing was good.
52:10
Read that as a young, young lad. Gandhi's autobiography was
52:15
amazing. It's really interesting to think
52:18
of him as a junior high school student.
52:20
Gandhi and he died here in South Africa, I think.
52:25
Really, he had quite an experience in South Africa, like
52:29
he was a lawyer there for I can't remember.
52:31
Let me just quickly look. I'm pretty sure he died and he
52:34
was. He was assassinated in in India
52:37
at the best funeral ever. But he was.
52:46
He tried getting suicide. I just checked now.
52:48
He died in New Delhi. My apologies.
52:50
But he did spend time. He did spend time in South
52:53
Africa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:55
He was a lawyer there. He he, he tried killing himself
53:00
once when he was a kid. He and a friend went down to eat
53:03
poisonous berries because they just couldn't take life anymore.
53:08
Then he got a little bit sick. And then afterwards he had no
53:12
sympathy for anyone who tried suicide.
53:17
David So because of your lifestyle, you in many ways
53:22
disconnected also from what's going on in the world or are
53:26
you? I have a device like that's
53:31
someone gave me a nice device. So I'm I'm very well.
53:38
I see what's going on with Israel and the Ukraine and
53:41
Russia and and I see like the whole show, the I'm pretty sure
53:48
Hitler was a Patsy. Like I'm pretty sure they
53:50
needed, they made Israel. They had the move planned before
53:54
World War 2, before World War 2 started, that basically it all
54:02
comes. Yeah.
54:03
So you're able to see the the the the stage with the actors.
54:08
Yeah, yeah, well, that's I'm. I'm allowed to because I have no
54:14
force in the game, I guess. Like, I don't want anyone who
54:19
uses the money to win. So.
54:23
So it's yeah. And knowing what I know about
54:27
the Inquisition and how it moved and basically the spirit of the
54:30
Inquisition took over the British Crown and then the
54:34
British Crown and then the Freemasons and all that, the
54:37
whole, the whole shebang. And then they're smart, clearly,
54:43
you know, thousands of old tyrants.
54:46
They, they even have their own dudes that do psychedelia.
54:49
So they know the insurance and outs of cosmic minutia.
54:54
Do you still use? Psychedelics.
55:00
It's been years. Last time I did it, it was more
55:03
of a, all right, OK, yeah, I don't really need to do that
55:06
anymore. But do you recommend it?
55:11
Categorically, but as much as I recommend a full on nervous
55:17
breakdown, nothing healthier. Yeah, mostly I recommend Mead.
55:31
People get their hands on Mead. Have you had Mead?
55:36
I don't know what that is. It's distilled honey.
55:41
It's like it's been thousands of years that they've been drinking
55:44
it. I've heard of that.
55:46
OK. It's like the softest of hard
55:48
alcohols and. Me.
55:52
Let me look it up quickly. Yeah, it's like ambrosia.
55:56
It suddenly makes you feel like a warrior of old sort of thing.
56:01
Like you're you're tasting what people thousands of years ago
56:05
tasted. It's the interesting phenomenon.
56:07
Fermented honey, That's incredible.
56:09
Is it fermented or distilled? I'm not sure.
56:14
The hard alcohol. It's just the soft hard alcohol
56:17
more than wine. Yeah, I didn't.
56:22
I'm going to stop saying digress.
56:24
Yes, well, I'm going to come in for landing here.
56:26
I discovered you on weird enough X is that the only is that the
56:30
only place that you can be followed?
56:31
I. Live in rather than where.
56:35
You. Yeah, other than where you
56:36
actually live. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:40
No, I'm on Reddit, YouTube under the moniker Hat Rack Man,
56:47
willing to expound on anything your listeners would be
56:52
interested in. AKA.
56:56
I've been doing this for over 20 years.
56:58
I've had all of the little conversations and accusations
57:01
like I walk on sidewalks which had money in their construction.
57:05
Friends buy me things, and I have no qualms with making my
57:11
friends bankrupt. They don't buy or sell anything.
57:18
Yeah, for the last year and a month, I've been sitting down in
57:23
front of our legislative buildings with a sign.
57:25
I saw, I saw. That I saw that picture.
57:28
Yeah, yeah. About seven months into that, I
57:31
saw this piece on what good is the monarchy?
57:35
And it occurred to me then that I've been doing Charles's job
57:39
for the last seven months. And so I started wearing a crown
57:44
and I've gone, I've gone all in. I've gone all in because the
57:48
reality is I don't know anyone who knows the nature of
57:55
existence more than I do. And I use the Internet.
58:01
So I've I've taken that moniker as well.
58:06
So we'll see where that goes. Thank you for joining us.
58:09
It went fast. It went fast and and wonderful
58:14
to meet you was I saw some of your stuff.
58:15
You're you're all right, you're all right.
58:17
I like you. You're good.
58:19
I I like that you've been kicked off platforms that I mean I can
58:22
trust you more.