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NFL Week 17 Main Slate | DraftKings & FanDuel DFS Picks, Plays and Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All system's going clear the left thumb What's up Number one?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tambaline here aka to Tagg and Tambo Back for
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  Speaker 1: another edition of the NFL Main Slate show here on
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  Speaker 1: the channel. We've got all things Week seventeen nine, Game
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  Speaker 1: Main Slate over on DraftKings Fan Duel, Gonna break it
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  Speaker 1: all down with my guys, title and who hope everybody
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  Speaker 1: is enjoying their holiday season. We've got the Round one
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  Speaker 1: finals of the Ship at Games first annual, first ever,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to call it. So, we got one
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  Speaker 1: person still not in. It's either Keith egg Yedd or
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Johnson. No, they didn't respond yet on what their
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  Speaker 1: DK use the name was to verify, but just noting
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  Speaker 1: that I cannot imagine getting into a final with a
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  Speaker 1: one to fifty shot at twenty ten thousand, five thousand
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  Speaker 1: and not getting in. So Keith egg Yed or Jacob
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  Speaker 1: Jay Johnson if you're watching, make sure to reach out,
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  Speaker 1: make sure to get in. We've sent tons of emails
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  Speaker 1: and updates to remind people. Title Hoop, I'll bring you
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  Speaker 1: guys in hoop. I'll start with you, how's your holiday
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  Speaker 1: season so far and what's going on? My man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, far so good. Busy obviously with you know, family, kids, friends,
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  Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. But you know, it's what
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  Speaker 2: we're definitely grateful for. So one more family event tonight
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  Speaker 2: and then you know it's it's onto the new year.
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  Speaker 2: And in terms of GFS, I mean, smaller slate, nine
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  Speaker 2: game slate pretty interesting this time of year. I mean
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  Speaker 2: you really start to see people consolidate around some of
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  Speaker 2: the popular plays, and we're seeing some pretty big ownership
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  Speaker 2: that combined with the fact that there is only nine games,
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  Speaker 2: so fewer options to choose from, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: teams that are kind of you know, giving up at
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  Speaker 2: this point. So I think it is an interesting slight
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we can we can find a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of an adge here for sure. But the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that definitely stands out to me is you know,
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  Speaker 2: ownership consolidating around you know, a small group of guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that. Aman Gary says, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the big thirty three to thirty three Ultimate Made event
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  Speaker 1: today as well. Super excited for that. I know some
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  Speaker 1: folks in here that are in the final for the
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  Speaker 1: Round one finals today, So congrats to you guys that
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  Speaker 1: made it into that Just Got News Live title. That
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  Speaker 1: Ted McMillan has been added to the injury report as
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  Speaker 1: we start the show off and that's actually gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the first game when we get there, but we'll get
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  Speaker 1: there shortly. How you doing first, my friend? And what's
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  Speaker 1: going on week seventeen. We're getting through this regular season
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely blessed over here. Good luck to everyone in
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  Speaker 3: the Best Ball final, like our man Hoop and Shaloup.
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  Speaker 3: There's the FanDuel Live Final going on, there is the
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  Speaker 3: three three three three. There's monster prizes all over the place.
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  Speaker 3: If you're still in the Survivor streets, Yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 3: fun time of year. I don't think any of those,
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  Speaker 3: I know, I'm not in any of those that I
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  Speaker 3: said I'm debating the three three three three. I actually
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  Speaker 3: did look at the structure and it's pretty solid. So
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  Speaker 3: what are your thoughts, Tam.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing better than when you can finish
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  Speaker 1: second and still get your first ever million maker. That's
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  Speaker 1: for me and for you, I know, like win the
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  Speaker 1: Millie I'll take a second place for the Millie any
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  Speaker 1: day of the week, trust me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm Maybe I'll randomize it. I've been I've
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  Speaker 3: done that a lot in my life recently, randomized stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Go and Google type in one to two, pick a
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  Speaker 3: number for each and associate it with and say that's
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  Speaker 3: what the world does. So maybe I'll do that in debate,
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  Speaker 3: because yeah, the tournament does look pretty solid in the
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  Speaker 3: structure that obviously. The only downside is the man cash
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  Speaker 3: is five k, so you're getting less than two x,
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  Speaker 3: but that's what you should expect with a really good
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  Speaker 3: structure up top. So yeah, I'm debating structure.
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  Speaker 1: Some don't like it because obviously a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: REGs can play one hundred. There's been I mean there's
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  Speaker 1: double side to that though, because a lot of satellites
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  Speaker 1: were run for that, And it's not saying the REGs
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  Speaker 1: or the pros wouldn't win all the satellites too, But
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  Speaker 1: in general there's a lot of you know, can be
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  Speaker 1: some more dead money from people to win the satellite,
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  Speaker 1: the five dollars, saddies, things like that. You could have
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to have.
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  Speaker 3: Brother, I'm not winning NHL every other day and winning
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  Speaker 3: sixty K and this and that, I mean the.
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  Speaker 2: Role like about get in. You might want to do
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  Speaker 2: it pretty quick. There's only like forty spots left.
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  Speaker 3: When I looked there, it was like two something.
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  Speaker 1: All right, he's random live for us.
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  Speaker 3: Give me the number? Who what one is or what
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  Speaker 3: two is? Or tambo one is like say in or
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  Speaker 3: out for one and.
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  Speaker 2: Two one is in?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 3: All right, it's two. I'm not all right, there's like
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  Speaker 3: forty left.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't meant to be. She has a seat in
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  Speaker 1: that FanDuel Championship today, so hopefully you look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go what's the what's the payoff for that? Sheets
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  Speaker 2: put it in the chat. I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's either five hundred or a MILLI but
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  Speaker 1: it's very bad after the top three spots, so structure wise,
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  Speaker 1: at least.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, million, I want to say a million
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  Speaker 3: with one hundred people. I mean, good, good stuff, She's good.
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  Speaker 1: Look yeah, right on hoop nine games, Grand scheme overview
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  Speaker 1: for this week. Let us know your thoughts. We've got
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  Speaker 1: only two games in the afternoon. There's obviously things with
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  Speaker 1: motivation and meaningful spots. There's good matchups, but there's also
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  Speaker 1: one big total game that everybody's really focused on. And
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  Speaker 1: then you talked about where the secondary plays are coming from.
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  Speaker 1: I think you you hinted at it with the condensed
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  Speaker 1: ownership on guys like Michael Meyer and Ashton Genty, but
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  Speaker 1: let us.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, it's the first week I think where we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing you know, ownership, big ownership on a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a smaller group of guys, and we've seen it sometimes
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  Speaker 2: throughout the season, but it's late in the year. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams are done at this point. Dead Raiders
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know, giving up telling Max Crosby you're
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  Speaker 2: not playing even though he wants to play, which is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat wild. Don't know the full story there, but just
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  Speaker 2: sounds bad. But at quarterback, like, I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: couple guys that are going to get quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: of ownership. It's Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow, and they're
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  Speaker 2: in very good spots. I mean, the Bengals are projected
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  Speaker 2: to score over thirty real life points, which is a big,
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  Speaker 2: big number. And then Trevor Lawrence has been absolutely crushing
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  Speaker 2: it every week. And I guess the one thing I
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  Speaker 2: will add like DraftKings, really soft pricing, like very very soft,
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  Speaker 2: I'd say bad, very bad pricing overall, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really mispriced guys. And I think part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: why Trevor Lawrence is so popular because his weapons are
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  Speaker 2: just bad, I mean, terrible prices, and Jacoby Myers and
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas just really bad. I mean, I guess he
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  Speaker 2: could justify the Brian Thomas price tag, but Jacoby Myers
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  Speaker 2: really bad. But you're gonna have Lawrence and Burrow way
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  Speaker 2: up there. I do think Drake may creeps up a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but after that, you know, not much ownership
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  Speaker 2: on anyone else. But I think Burrow and Lawrence could
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  Speaker 2: get even higher than they're showing. The running back stuff
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  Speaker 2: that I think is the spot today where you can
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  Speaker 2: really make the difference. And you know this, if this
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  Speaker 2: gent ownership is legit somewhere between like forty and fifty.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild to me. And you know, the team's giving up,
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  Speaker 2: like they're again. They told Max Crosby you're not playing.
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  Speaker 2: He got pissed off. They put him on the I R.
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  Speaker 2: It's over. So like a dead team, a running a
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  Speaker 2: dead team that's an underdog, and the running back is
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  Speaker 2: projected to be like forty forty five fifty percent owned.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an opportunity to take advantage of. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you're doing one fifty, he's probably getting in there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, doing the full fade on him would be tough.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're handbuilding, if you're building three teams, there's
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  Speaker 2: so many different guys around genty that you can play.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Bucky Irving is one hundred dollars more expensive,
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  Speaker 2: and they need to win. They're projected to score more points,
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  Speaker 2: and the ownership is a fraction of what genty's going
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  Speaker 2: to be. Etns in a good spot, Chase Brown, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of running backs that you can play, and
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  Speaker 2: if a big chunk is going to to gent I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a spot to take advantage of today. Go
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  Speaker 2: to wide receiver and Jamar Chase. I mean, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to see all these Bengals guys, you know, showing up
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  Speaker 2: really well. He's going to get a lot of ownership.
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  Speaker 2: To me, much more justifiable than the genty ownership. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be more inclined to play eat the Jamar Chase shock
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  Speaker 2: than the Gente shock. But I talked about it with
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  Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, like really cheap at fifty three, Stefan Diggs
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  Speaker 2: in a good spot with some of those pass cutchers
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  Speaker 2: for the Patriots being ruled out. And then you know
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  Speaker 2: JSN is up top too. I don't think people love
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  Speaker 2: JSN today, but at eighty six hundred, you have the
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  Speaker 2: salary to play them, and I think that's why we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing his ownership up there. We have it at twenty
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  Speaker 2: five percent, probably pretty accurate, probably somewhere in that range.
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  Speaker 2: But again it's not because they love jays N. It's
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  Speaker 2: just because they can easily play JAYSN. You can play
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  Speaker 2: them with Jamar Chase if you want, so it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to play them. That's why the ownership is coming up there.
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  Speaker 2: And then it touched on the gent thing like Michael Mayer,
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  Speaker 2: very very popular today as well, over twenty percent, most
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  Speaker 2: likely because Bowers is out. And I just get worried
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  Speaker 2: about these spots where the teams are done, the team
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  Speaker 2: is dead and nothing to play for underdogs at home,
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  Speaker 2: not projected to share a lot of just worry about
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  Speaker 2: those sort of spots and it's something I'll be looking
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  Speaker 2: into today. But you got the same thing at ed
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  Speaker 2: tight end trade McBride way more expensive, but again the
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  Speaker 2: ownership is still there because it's easy to play them,
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  Speaker 2: like you're not having to make any sacrifices to play them.
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  Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, when they got the price tag
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  Speaker 2: in the eight k range, you had to make sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: to play him, and we saw him at two percent
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  Speaker 2: owned and he went off, and we did talk about
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  Speaker 2: that on this show today. Seventy five hundred in a
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  Speaker 2: good spot. But people are going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: play him because of the really really soft overall pricing.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you got to take a look at
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these little situations at each at each position.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say overall, good slate for a nine
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  Speaker 2: game slate week seventeen, and excited to break it all
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  Speaker 2: down with you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this site. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: going to go my way, but I'm excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confident. I'm happy that we're breaking it down. We
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  Speaker 1: got all night game, she'd said for the FanDuel as expected,
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  Speaker 1: one million for first, two hundred and fifty k for
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  Speaker 1: a second, basically a set of steak knives for third.
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  Speaker 1: It's the structure over there. You play to win. We're
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  Speaker 1: not you know, we're shipping for a reason, let's put
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  Speaker 1: it that way. So you got to get to the top,
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  Speaker 1: gotta get the job done. But a million up top
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  Speaker 1: not a bad place to be with such a small field. Title.
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  Speaker 1: One thing Hoop said there before, I let you follow
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  Speaker 1: up with anything you have to add. Just with the
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  Speaker 1: softer pricing. I think that's one thing people need to
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  Speaker 1: really think about hard. And remember, if you've got gent
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  Speaker 1: going for twenty five plus or whatever, then sure feel
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  Speaker 1: good about that. But if you don't with soft pricing,
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  Speaker 1: even with only nine games, you're gonna need the big
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  Speaker 1: boys scores Like that's very typical of what we'll see,
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  Speaker 1: not always but for the most part. And so if
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  Speaker 1: you do think there's like a you know, Michael Meyer's safe,
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  Speaker 1: but he probably only gets me ten. Is that really
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  Speaker 1: gonna cut it on this later? Or is somebody gonna
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  Speaker 1: come up over the top with all the soft pricing
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  Speaker 1: and the ability to stack it up differently and find
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  Speaker 1: something that completely gets you. So really think about that,
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  Speaker 1: and then think about the field that you're playing in,
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  Speaker 1: the tournament, size, the buy in, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll kick it to you title, I got a
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  Speaker 1: ton of good examples as we go across the sleigh,
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  Speaker 1: but that'll be when we get to the game by game.
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  Speaker 1: Anything you want to add to the to Hoops gran
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  Speaker 1: scheme overview.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm happy that you guys seem to be
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  Speaker 3: pretty excited about the slade. I'd be lying if I
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  Speaker 3: loved it for the sense of kind of what it's
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  Speaker 3: really condensed. There's only nine games. Everyone wants this one
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  Speaker 3: game and Bengals Cardinals, and I think that's the right
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  Speaker 3: game to play. And then figuring out what the Giants,
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  Speaker 3: what the gent and the Raiders stuff like what you
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  Speaker 3: do with Genty is super important on this slade. I
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  Speaker 3: truly don't even know what to think. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: rule out Crosby, they rule out Boers, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: rule Genty out. I mean, if he's playing, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: want to like, is Pete Carroll really just gonna like
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  Speaker 3: say he's playing and only play him a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and then not? I mean, no way, Pete Carroll's there
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  Speaker 3: next year, you have to think, so he could care less.
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  Speaker 3: You see it all the time, these coaches go out
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  Speaker 3: and win in eighteen or something, ruin the first pick
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  Speaker 3: and they get fired, So I mean prop sink. He
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  Speaker 3: kind of has a full workload. The matchup's good, the
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  Speaker 3: price is good, what you do with him is really tough.
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  Speaker 3: And then like Jamar Chase Burrow, We're all over Burrow
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  Speaker 3: last week, but it was four percent and eleven percent.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're looking at the chalk. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: love the spot, but instead of using him, Burrow and
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  Speaker 3: Chase as a way to get different last week, now
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  Speaker 3: you have to get different in other spots when you play.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think the quarterback position's pretty thin on guys.
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  Speaker 3: I do like a couple of really good spots and
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  Speaker 3: then just a lot of quarterbacks that I see struggling
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  Speaker 3: to get to twenty with what you need. So my
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  Speaker 3: playerpool has been more condensed and a lot of it
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  Speaker 3: is kind of chalky. So I need to look at
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  Speaker 3: ways to get different. We go game by game. Hopefully
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  Speaker 3: you guys can help me out. I'm all years a
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  Speaker 3: lot of this stuff. But yeah, I'd be lying if
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  Speaker 3: I love this late because I think the chalk is
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  Speaker 3: pretty strong for the most part. And yeah, Michael Mayer
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  Speaker 3: min price easy to play McBride running backs thin. I
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  Speaker 3: think the receiving position wide receivers is where I can
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  Speaker 3: get different a little bit today. But yeah, I'm ready
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  Speaker 3: to go game by game and change it up. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: in my thought process.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've into a verse sec on one thing real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Just to note two is like the last thing you
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  Speaker 1: just said of, like the people that are playing Genti's
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  Speaker 1: and the Meyer and all that are also landing in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the same spots. So even if you
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  Speaker 1: do believe in the chalk, I would still be thinking
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  Speaker 1: about that when you're building out your lineups, because playing
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  Speaker 1: all of that together and just landing in the same
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  Speaker 1: spot of everyone else is certainly not the best way
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  Speaker 1: you can play. And for me, it's like I just
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: have to go down with the ship if I'm going
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  Speaker 1: down because I got one lineup in the Ultimate versus
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  Speaker 1: everybody else as three, five, six, and then tons of
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  Speaker 1: people have one hundred. Like it's you just can't play
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  Speaker 1: the same stuff as everybody else. Before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the first game, which is Seattle at the Panthers, we
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  Speaker 1: did just get the news that Tet still expected to play.
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• 14:56
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• 15:00
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• 15:08
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• 15:11
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• 15:14
  Speaker 1: So check it out. Will hop into the first game.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Hoop just got the news of Teed McMillan expected to play.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: So it was just a quick thing back, you know,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: back and forth. But just to note it, Seahawks at
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: the Panthers. Seahawks focused up here, right, They got to
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: get the job done, keep winning a lot. There's a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: lot of teams they got to play to win today.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: So Seahawks are going to be out there trying. You've
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: got Kenneth Walker JSN. You mentioned not not much else
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: beyond that, but what's your thoughts on this first game?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not the most appealing game on the slate.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Total is forty two. Team total for Seahawks twenty four
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: to twenty five range. Panthers have turned into a pretty
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: difficult team to pinpoint for fantasy outside of Teed McMillan,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: who I think it's fine today. I mean maybe the
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: new he said he's sick, brings down the ownership like
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but nothing for me. And then like
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the Rico Cuba thing is, you know, back to being
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: frustrating again. So not too much to do there. It's
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: really just tet on the Panther side. And I guess
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: the one thing that I think title might have touched
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: on it, you know a few minutes ago, it's like
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: you need today. You're gonna need big boy scors, Like
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: you can't play a guy for their floor. You got
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to be playing guys for their ceilings. You need to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: even not you know, despite it being only nine games late,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: like this is the point where where teams will give
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: up if they're down two touchdowns, three touchdowns, and they'll
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: give up big plays. So you need a lot today.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: So you know, I just I struggle with a lot
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: of these plays on the Panther side outside of TET,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and I really don't even love TET. And then on
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks side, I would say JSN is, you know,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: a really good pivot leverage play off of Jamar Chase,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: but he's still going to get a lot of ownership,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and rightfully, so I'm gonna play him. But he's not
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: like a a game theory sort of play by any means,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: because he's going to come in lower own than Jamar Chase,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: he's still going to get a lot of ownership himself.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And then you know the Kenneth Walker Charbonney thing, like
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: they just want to win, Seattle just wants to win.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: They'd take an ugly win. And I think this could
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: maybe be like an ugly sort of game and an
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: ugly sort of win, So not much here for me
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Outside of Jaysn, I'll be playing him. I mean he
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: can go off in any game situation. I mean he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: had like zero I think at halftime last game and
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: ended up finishing with like twenty fourish Fantasy points. So
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: he's a fine individual play. That's really it for me
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in this one.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, title one thing on that. I mean, this is
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a product of what whop just said and if you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: can get them both. I saw people mentioning the channel already,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: well I got Jamar Chase and JSN and McBride, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, if you got all that and you feel
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: good about it, sure, but like some of those punts
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: probably aren't hitting their ceiling or you're hoping they do,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and so is everybody else because you're probably playing chalk punts.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't actually say that's a really good lineup
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: if you were to sort of to rate it out
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: or look at it. But you need what you need
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. But one note to
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like hoops point, it's it's not a huge owner. If
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it ends up being twenty three percent JSN and forty
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: percent Chase. That is something because it's almost half, but
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you just need who scores more in this spot. If
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you're only playing one, you need the one who scores
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: more at the end of the day. So it's kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: of where you got to think about that when you're playing.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: One thing I'll note here though, and it refers to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the genty thing from later on, the Genti factor, like
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I saw you type it in the chat, like it's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: all true. A lot of it is baked in though too,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: off of his props because he has really good props.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: And the thing about gent and you're props and weather
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: guy he's had good props every week. Why do you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: think me and you were telling Hoop about these props
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: certain other weeks he's at eighty nine and a half.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: He's at ninety two and a half the week Judkins
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: went off. It's like this guy always has that shit.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's just like part of it. And so one thing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I want to note here that I think is interesting
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and Hoop said it the best this season. But I'll
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: kick a to you on this title. We know jsn's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: their tent whatever, it's not much else's game, but Kenneth Walker,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I've been playing him. He finally has a great game
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: last week, and he's cheaper than gent in a great
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: match against the Panthers in a must win game, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: nobody wants him now he's completely off their radar. He
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: didn't even go up in price. Really, he's fifty eight
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Like he can have one hundred yards on
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the ground, he can have a touchdown, he could have two,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: like it's possible, and he's fifty eight hundred, So I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: at least think he's somewhat interesting when the Seahawks need
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to win, have the total they have. I don't think J. C.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Horn or anyone like that on the Panthers is shutting
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: down JSN. He moves around too much. But just to note,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: if they do try and run the ball or like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Coop said, if they get out of head, Charbona is
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: there and it's scary. But I think Walker could still
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: do something in tournaments.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gent thing real quick. We'll get to that later.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But it's I think one of the weakest running back
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: rooms that we've seen recently in terms of like matchups
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: or who's not on the slate, like no Beijon on
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the slate. JT at nine five or I'm looking at
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Fando there JT. He has a solid price, but with
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers it's been really tough for them. The running
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: back just aren't completely popping off the page. James Cook
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: is in a really tough matchup, so I think by
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: default people don't love the running back room as much,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: so that just leads to more two running backs and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: people falling in the mid tier. With gen T, yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the props have been good on him a lot. As
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: far as Kenneth Walker, he definitely got there, but he
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: was really efficient. He only had fourteen touches. Sharbon Ay
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: still did out snap him last week, and then Sharbona
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: is still getting more the goal line work, so he
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: finally actually just did something with his touches. It wasn't
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: like a change of workload, which and he's going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: be super low on. If you can find any low
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: owned plays on this slate that you think have that upside,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: which Walker clearly is talented enough, yeah, it makes sense
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: to play some. I'm just worried Scharbone is still out
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: snapping him with the goal line work. I don't really
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: think I want to play much of that backfield period.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Either side of this backfield This is easy for me.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: It's just JSN or pass. He has two yards more
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: receiving prop then Chase reception prop similar. The big difference
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: is the touchdown prop minus one fifty five for Jamar
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: plus one hundred for JSN. Chase has already came out
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and said like, I want a touchdown this week with
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: nothing to play for. You think Joe Burrow probably does
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: try and get him that touchdown. So that equity is
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the only reason or the only difference I'm really seeing
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: between the two and the better game environment. You can
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: play both. You can play JSN Overchase and get a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: little different even though yeah, they are both getting ownership.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I think JSN is strong, but he's twenty five percent
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: like I. Maybe I'll just have about twenty five percent.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Talk about in MMA sometimes guys like that, I don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: want to kill me regardless of the outcome. Four games
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: for JSN or twenty. You don't want twenty though, if
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: he gets you that thirty eight piece or whatever you do.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: So I got nothing outside of JSN in this game.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on to the big boy game than
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: next it's the Cardinals at the Bengals. I'll let you
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: take it first. Obviously you said it off the top,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like it's a popular game for good reason. There's a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: ton of options. If you've got the stone over at Tribernation,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the best tool in dfs, where it's all in one
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: place for you to look at. You can see a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: ton of good things about this game and what's optimal
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and the projections and the rates and the scorecards and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the report cards and all of that. What does this
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: game mean to you on this slate and sort of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: how's it standing out for you?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I this by far the best game
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: on the slate, one I will be building around, even
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: though it's chalky. And that's why, like you're Kenneth Walker.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Play if you're playing this game, and this is where
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you play Kenneth Walker. And hopefully we get through some
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: other games and we can find some blow on pieces
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: because I'm not ignoring it. Yes, Like we're all over
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Burrow and Chase and all that last week, and man,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I mean Burrow completely underthrew Chase. He should have had
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: like a fifty yard touchdown and it would have had
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a lot bigger number. T Higgins obviously fifteen percentage we're showing,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: so he's away if you just want to not play
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Chase and you want to go Higgins, sure, Chase Brown.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: If he does anything like you did last week, it
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: leverages so much. Now I end Chase Brown's definitely my
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: least favorite. He was really efficient with his touchdowns. But
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Pee Ryan's out there a ton. It's really annoying. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: when you're playing and spending up for running back at
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: seventy four hundred, I just want him to be on
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the field a little more. So he's my least favorite.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna play Burrow, Chase Chalk t Higgins really outside
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: of that, I got no interest. And then the Cardinals side.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: McBride's definitely and get some ownership, which I like. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: then I mean Randy Junior, we saw it first first
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: drive last week. Who probably wasn't watching, But did you
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: see that touchdown? Hoops?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I saw the touchdown. I wasn't watching.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You were traveling. We made sure that was taken care
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of on takedown breakdown and on Monday Night football we
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: got you.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I don't even think Randy. I don't think Randy's even
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: catching that ball. I mean, that was spectacular. So the
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: problem is Marvin Harrison. This dude, I don't know. I
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: wish he wasn't playing. They said it'll be unlimited snaps,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: whatever that means. There's no doubt sixty four hundred is
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a little overpriced, but that's a way to get different
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in this game that no one's gonna click when I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: do play him. I think I probably wouldn't play McBride
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: because then it gets really expensive, and it's one way
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: you can leverage off there. And then Michael Carter, I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: definitely gonna play something at fifty two hundred, just a
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: way to get different in this game. Can catch passes
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: out of the backfield. Let's see the touchdown prop. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: didn't think it was Terror plus one twenty toll in
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: this game. So he is a way that I'm going
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: to be playing in this game, or like I'm playing
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: the Chalk in this game. He's one way I can
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: get a little different. So yeah, for Sett, for Set
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to McBride, Barsett to Wilson, I just love this game.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: A ton Chase Brown is my least favorite that I'm
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: seeing at ownership, but it's Chalky. So when you do
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: play this game, you have to really be careful what
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: you do in other spots.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try and think of some of those ideas.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Who I'll let you take it first, how you're handling it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: It's obviously popular for good reason. Like title mentioned a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: bunch of different things there, but like the limited snaps
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: on Marvin Harrison Junior, he did only play fifty one
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: percent of the snaps last week. Coming back waiting on
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Noah Fan news, maybe Giseki could be a way to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: get different if Noah Fan is ruled out. What's your
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: thoughts anything different here? In any any further comments on
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Randy Jr.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, that is good, Like maybe I should answer that
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: big boy and then play Randy. Maybe that's why it
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: told me not to though, because maybe I would have
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: dusted my money.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, good game overall. I mean two teams that
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know don't really have nothing to play for, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the offenses are are still trying to put up points.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And you know this is like the Chalky game or
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: popular game of the Slave, but it is it is
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: damn tough to avoid. Like if them the slave, if
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this this game is thirty eight to thirty two, would
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: anyone be surprised? Like seventy real life points? Absolutely not,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like it's very viable, and I just I don't see
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a way where one of these teams doesn't go off,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: so like I want to be a part of it
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for sure, but it is the one thing that is difficult,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I would say, is to get away from like the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: main pieces. There's not like just random guys in this
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: game I want to play. If I'm playing the Bengal stuff,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I want Jamar Chase T. Higgins or Chase Brown. If
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I'm playing the Cardinal side, I want Gosh. I guess
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: maybe just Trey McBride and you know, Randy Junior, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: then you know, maybe Marvin Harrison. I mean, Marvin Harrison
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is the one you know that could be a way
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: to get different. And what's the case for Marvin Harrison,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Like the barely he played last week but limited stats.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Now it's a whole another week. They're saying, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: probably some sort of limitations again this week. But what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if he's a full go and he's fifty four hundred
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and he's unowned, Like that's the one guy I think
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: in this game that you can take a chance on
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that's a little bit different. Burrows probably double the ownership
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: ship of Brissett, and I think it makes sense, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I think that's how it should be. But you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: if you want to flip it a little bit and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: go Brissett, I think you can do that. But it
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: is difficult, I think, to get unique within this game.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: So if you are playing it, if you are going heavy,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I think the way you get unique is with like
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: your secondary stack and what you're doing, uh with with
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the other pieces. Like if you're heavy on this game,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we keep using this example. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: if you're you're going to be in on this game
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and maybe overstack it, Genti is the last name you
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: should be looking to click into that lineup. You want
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to do something different. You don't want to play the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: chalk if you are stacking up this game. So that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the one thing I will say about it, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: just because the fact that it's hard to get away
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: from the popular place in this game. There's just not
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: like a low owned guy that stands out here. So
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I would be cautious with the secondary stacks or secondary
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: guys that go in the lineup if you are stacking
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: this one up.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, we'll wait on the fan news,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but I would definitely be interested in Kaseki I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it's a fine matchup opposite side there. He's interesting. Higgins
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: at fifteen is quite significantly different than forty plus percent
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: on Chase. I think if you're going like Burrow Higgins Gasecki, McBride,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that'd be a way to get different. And yes, Kasecki
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: costs one thousand bucks more than Meyer later on when
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: we get to him at twenty five hundred, but he
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: could dust his ass and score and gritty on them
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and do all this stuff, and Meyer could get you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: your seven points. And it's like, oh, I could have
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: easily found one thousand dollars on this slate. The pricing
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: super soft, So keep that in mind. With the over stacks.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Michael Wilson, Randy Junior, whatever you want to call him,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it could be really interesting because if Marvin Harrison is
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: limited again with just three catches last week he put
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: up a decent score, what if he actually gets targeted
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and peppered like we've seen in the past. The guy
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: has a ceiling of thirty five four, he's a forty
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: plus for him before. So I'm not saying he'll get
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that for you here, but certainly interesting. Michael Carter, I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: think is a good one off if you just want
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to think about how would this game fail and slow down?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It could be Michael Carter and then one really interesting one.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I think you know any crushed last week, Well, Marv
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Harrison was unlimited. Snaps is Elijah Higgins exact same price
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: as Meyer twenty five hundred, He's in the same matchup
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: as McBride, and on top of the fact, he's a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: former wide receiver turned tight end. So last week he
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: had like something like what is it seven for six
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: for ninety one or something, and that was with Harrison limited,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and what if he's limited again this week? So just
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: keep those things in mind as you're looking to build
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it out. I'm not really trying to go to like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Timsley Weaver or Yoshiva Like I'm not gonna try p
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Ryan and just tried to get different. To get different,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and fill in the blanks with stuff
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that also includes slate dynamics or thinks about things like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: two tight ends. People are playing Meyer and McBride. What
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: if you play Giseki and McBride or Elijah Higgins and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: something else. There's a ton of different ways you can
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: get different. Still within it, Michael Wilson being sub ten
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: percent most likely is definitely the most interesting because you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: got to pay up. And also Chase Brown, who I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: with title line, I don't love it as much because
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of the efficiency factor, but I said the opposite for
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, so I can't really complain. But one hundred
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bucks less than Trey McBride, and many are playing two
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: tight ends versus three running backs. If you went not
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: saying you'd need three, but you will talk about it
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in a second, but Chase Brown gent would assume maybe.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And then if you get to Travis Eten Junior in
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a minute with no tooton, you could definitely see a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: three running back build that on this slated be more
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: different than usual, So definitely interesting. The other thing too,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting about this game, and then
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we'll move on hoop to the Steelers at the Browns,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was we just saw this is different, I thinkcause both
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: teams not that they want to put up points, their
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: defense doesn't want to stop points from being put up.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But we just saw the can't fail game Detroit Pittsburgh
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: last week. Fail, I mean can it can happen for sure?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So I think it is at least somewhat interesting. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: there is eight other games, but some of them are bad,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: so just something.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: But these these quarterbacks are way better than the quarterbacks
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: in the Can't Fail game last week.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Goff, I know you're not a fan of that one.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: That didn't help you out on Christmas either, So talk
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to us about his next one.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Hope.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: We got the Browns at home versus the Steelers, and yeah,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be interesting as well. Both running backs
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: on the Pittsburgh side, Warren Gain, well, you've got no
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, no Austin for them. And then on the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: other side, obviously Judkins snapped his leg last week. Fan
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and good to go, they say overnight. So any thoughts
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: on this one? Brown's at home versus the Steelers. Now,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: by the way, Steelers must win after the Ravens got
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the job done last night.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers definitely incentivized to win. This is clearly a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: tough one. No DK Metcalf, so I mean, is Adam
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Feln wide receiver one? I mean not advocating for him
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: as a play, but if they do get behind and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: have to pass it like someone's gonna do something, maybe
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it is just the running backs, you know, maybe it
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: is game well and game well. Actually, gain Wall is
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: probably wide receiver want for the Steelers today, which.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Is hands on the team. Last week with all that in,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Tomlin said he has the best hands.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a catch off his war arm.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That was that was very very impressive. Not much here,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: thirty five total. You know, even with the Warren Gainwell stuff.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, I think I need big boy scores today,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like really big boy scores, and they're kind of splitting
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So I don't really love either of them.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe Darnell Washington a little bit. But on
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the brown side, Sampson I think is fine. Keep him
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in the mix. Fanning, I think it's fine. But you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: nothing to get excited about. This one. Very low total
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and I believe some sort of weather, not that it matters,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: but I think there is a little weather in this one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I did want to pull that up NFL weather yellow orange. Yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: so it's not not a good game for fantasy.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Some win and possible rain, but I mean division game,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be probably a lot of leading the clock.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gainewell has been phenomenal even with Warren in in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: those games. It's pretty crazy. I don't know about his efficiency,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: but the main thing for him on a full point
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: PPR site is he can rack those things up real quick,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and that's part of it. And also, you know Miles
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: garrett sack record, he's going to be coming at Aaron Rodgers,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so needing to get the ball out quick is most
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: certainly going to be a thing on this slate for Pittsburgh.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So it makes a gain Well pretty interesting at just
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: fifty six hundred title. What do you got with this one?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gain was really the only skill position players seven
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: targets in the past three games. Now, no, DK Metcalf
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised to see Warren and Gainwell in the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: field quite a bit together. Rogers loves gain Well, there's
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: no doubt about that. So if he gets in the
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: box once, he's gonna do well for that price. Dag
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: After that, I think it's just both defenses. You know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Cleveland's gonna be pinning their ears back. Rogers can't really move,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Enterer sometimes can try and make plays and that can
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: be to his detriment. So both defenses look strong gain
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Well and that's really all I got, man.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: These people in the chat really want to play Shader
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Sanders with Judy and Fannin and Gainwell get your stack on.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I think a couple of weeks ago.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I think we're a couple of weeks late the Titans
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: is when they needed them.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even that what I don't even remember? But
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: did he actually end up in the winning lineups that week?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Because like nobody still played him?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: He was like points something, I know, like you helped
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: someone out. I think the Million might have had him.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't reviewed it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I can't remember it might have had it, but yeah
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: he did. I think it had Sanders, Judy and Fan
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't have a I got a short term
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: memory for that stuff and like to move on quick,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: kind of numb to it all. But yeah, that one was,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you know is what it is on this slate won't
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: be for me. I think gain Well definitely an option
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: both defenses, for sure, And if you had a gain
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Well fannin secondary stack, I think that's pretty slick as well.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It's it's unique. Bannon could have twenty points, doesn't mean
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that Sanders has a huge day. Gainwell could have twenty
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: points if it beats the guys around him, and in
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that price range, certainly think that's possible, and that that'd
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: be forty points or something. Those two I wouldn't hate it,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So I'll stay with you. Title another big boy game
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: here that a lot want to talk about. I know
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a man Sheets was asking earlier about Jonathan Taylor thoughts
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: in this game. Obviously the Colts, the irony of the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Chargers losing to eliminate Philip Rivers from the playoffs, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, but you know, the River's stuff has
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: been a bit of an experience. What's your thoughts on
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: this one? T Lod Meyers, BTJ, all these guys over here,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and then you got to talk about the Colts as well.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely probably my second favorite game. It's not gonna
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: sneak past anyone, but it's definitely lower on than that
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Bengals game we get in a dome. Jacksonville's been phenomenal
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: this year. The offense has moved the ball at will
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: and they've showed their they're fine just pounding and running
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: up the score. They're applied for twenty eight points, which
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: is the second most on the slate behind the Bengals
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Colts about twenty two. Colt side's a little easier For me,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: it's JT and it's Tyler Warren. I just Rivers doesn't
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: get his pass catcher as Hey, there's multiple catchers. There's
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Pierce theres Downs, there's Pittman, but he just doesn't get
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think he can push the ball down the
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: field enough to really make them hit their ceiling. I'd
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: rather play Warren, who's forty four hundred, showing to be
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: relatively low owned. I still don't even love him. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: think he needs a touchdown. But he's a way to
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: play this game because I want to play the Jake stuff.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor. I've been going back and forth on the
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: price is good on DraftKings. He doesn't come off the field.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: He's really talented, but man, they just with Philip Rivers,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: they stack the box more. There's not as many openings.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: He can catch the ball though out of the backfield.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: He's someone I'm curious here at your guys take on
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: because he does project better than James cook a Chan
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Saquon right in that range, which will force him to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: get some ownership. But right now, I think my favorite
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: way is just to play middling running backs and spending
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: up elsewhere other side of the ball ATN will be
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: pretty popular. I think he's a strong play. And then
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: if you don't want to play ATN, you have Lawrence
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: two pretty much three guys, Brian Thomas, I should say
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be Jacoby as the most chalk at fifty
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: three hundred. There's Brian Thomas, Strange, and Parker Washington. And
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: that's kind of why I like playing Trevor Lawrence. Even
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: though he will be owned, there's so many ways to
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: play him with so the ownership will be more spread out.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I want to say Brian Thomas might be my favorite,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: but then I'm seeing five percent Parker Washington only forty
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: eight hundred coming off a big game. I like this
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Jake stuff a lot. They're supposed to score a lot
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: of points and there's a lot of guys that could
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: get there with them, which I like to see. JT.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Warren is my runbacks. Yeah, I'm curious here if you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: guys have strong leans on who it is on the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Jake side. But I'm gonna play a lot of this game.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: That's we play a lot of teams, and I can
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: be overweight to a lot of the Jake stuff and
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: just hope to get the right combination, but in single entry,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: getting that right combo is a difficult part. I think
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas my favorite right now because man, Jacoby, I
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: don't double the ownership is just a little hard for
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: me to stomach.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let Hoop take in one second. I want
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to dabble in something quick though, to like Nad's met
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like again, they were actually talking about both. I saw
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Jordan mention this other guy. There was a couple of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: things in there, like this rocket, this running back, Sanders
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: can fly and then you know, had a nice college
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: this horrible play on a slate like this, you will
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: never get it right unless you play like ten or
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: fifteen percent. And luckily it's my boy Newes, so I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: can be honest. You guys don't have to be this
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: far off the board. There's nine games. We know what
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: ones are good. Build different. Don't look for these crazy plays.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: They're not going to change the game for you. You're
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: still gonna lose because you'll have the rest.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Of it wrong.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So you don't need to do that. You can just
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: play good plays in a different way and that's all you.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Have to do.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And so just don't overthink it because it's tricky. Or
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it's Week seventeen or that's more of a Week eighteen
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: or a preseason thing. And then yeah, sure, but here
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it's not going to give you the upside you think
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it's going to give you, so hoop, I'll kick it
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to you. On the BTJ thoughts, he's a guy that,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like you said earlier, is like it seems cheap, but
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: then you're like, maybe it's the right price. I don't know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: but what do you think about BTJ here? And then
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: we know Lawrence is going to be popular, We know
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: ETN Junior is gonna be pop. The other people have
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: already seen them pop together. And then you got JT
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: on the other side, who I think is just a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: product of that right, people are just fitting him in
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to make the stack work too, or what do you think?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just add on to like the backup and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like third string running backs. It's a fun conversation to
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: have to talk about how fast he is and you
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: know what he did in college and his scores at
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the combine, But when it comes to actual DF's like
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: when have we seen it? When? Like when when has
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: it been on the winner? And it's like never, especially
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: in this day and age where pricing is very, very soft.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's just it's it's just a talking point sort of thing.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Honesty's the best policy when people come to us, even
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: for a free show. We got to be I'm very direct.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Who knows it's from plenty of business calls we've been
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'll just hammer people. But like in this case, it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: not being rude. It goes against me. He could have
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a huge day, and so I'll say, oh, you thought
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you think you know. I don't think I know anything.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Not on the winner though. Even if he gets like
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: twenty something like, you got to get everything else right
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: on top of it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So you're not going to play it off him. You
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: just said I'm gonna sprinkle of him in one fifty,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: so you ages you ain't gonna get the rest, correct,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So you just that money all gets wasted by default.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It's not rude, it's just fact. So I played this
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: game a long time. But whop, I'll let you go
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: here with Jags and Colts.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I pretty much echo exactly what titles said in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: this game. The one exception is I do like Warren
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. He's definitely my favorite nine targets.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Last week, I just think what Philip Rivers is trying
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to do getting the ball out quick. He could have
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: a big game. I think the Alec Pierce thing last
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: week was just a random one off, Like I'm not
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: banking on him going off, And I still do struggle
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: with getting to these other pass catchers. And I just
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: don't love too much on the Colt side, And I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: don't really love Jonathan Taylor, like he hasn't done anything
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: really at all. I mean, he's still going to get
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the work, and if the game happens to go in
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: their favor where they have a lead, then maybe it
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all works out. But there's other running backs I like
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a lot more, so I'll be underweight Jonathan Taylor. Tyler
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Warren definitely my favorite. And then that's why the Jaguars
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: stuff is so so nice. Despite Trevor Lawrence getting some ownership,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: like you can definitely get unique or different playing him
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: relatively easily. Like we know most people if they say
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: who am I going to pair him with, It's gonna
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: be Trevor Lawrence to Jacoby Myers because Jacoby Myers looks
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like wide receiver one. He's been his most trusted target.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But you got other guys. You got Parker Washington. You
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: have Brian Thomas, you have Strange and you can even parent.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: You can throw Etn in, Like this offense has been phenomenal,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Like you go Trevor, Lawrence Etn, Brian Thomas. I love
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: that that trio right there, and there is there is
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a chance, you know, Etn gets some passing work. I mean,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Twoton's out. I mean so if this is a back
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and forth not a back and forth, if this is
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: a somewhat competitive game, Eten could get a lot of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: touches here. So really like the Jaguars side, I am
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: gonna have Myers. I think Myers is really good play.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: He's under price, but he's one of those guys that's
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the ownership. He's in that that group of guys where
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the ownership is very very high. So you got be
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: careful how you play Jacoby Myers. But this January side
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: looks really nice because there's a lot of different ways.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: To go with it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point there also if people don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: like the Myers chalk, it's like it's doesn't matter as
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: much if you're putting into a triple stack with Lawrence, Etn,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Myers and Brian Thomas, Junior. It's like, okay, then you
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: can eat the Myers chalk at that point, or Myers
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: with Brian Thomas Junior and Breton Strange or something like that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So I think that's part of what's interesting. If you
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: ran a four man stack from the jag side and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: then didn't run it back at all, or I will
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: say this, the Warren play is most interesting to me
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: because more because he's at a one ze position trying
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to figure out if it's gonna be pierced. Like last
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: game downs who's got fourteen targets in the last couple
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: with Rivers Pittman or Warren with fifteen targets in the
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: last two games with the Rivers. It's like it's it
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: makes it easy to figure out if you know slate dynamics,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: because tight end is what you got to get right here.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: If you don't got McBride, you need someone to beat it,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: or if you're pairing them with McBride, that could be
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a way to be different as well. But there's tons
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of wide receivers you can fill out the middle with,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: including the jag side, so you don't have to put
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a Colts wide receiver and you don't have to put
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor if you don't want to. So the other
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: interesting thing with this one is the Sauce Gardner coming
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: back and DeForest Buckner being out, So it actually looks
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like a much better spot for ETN Junior. Yet it
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: seems like people are coming up over the top with
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Lawrence or Lawrence with ETN Junior, and it could be
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: interesting from that title. I'll let you take the next
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: game with Bucks and Dolphins, but before we go, what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the odds are you putting on this? I have such
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a fear that Trevor Lawrence crushed those games, came out
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and played Denver when everyone thought he was gonna have
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a bad game, beats Denver good, and you're like, oh, man,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: we our guy Denny in the in the chat, the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Prince and all those things all day long, and the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: memes of gifts and all that stuff. Is he just
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: gonna fail against the Colts when we think it's the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: best spot because it's the spot he shouldn't fail after
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: just beating Denver.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Temmy, that's that'd be the NFL for you. We see
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: crazy stuff every week. I was thinking earlier, like oh,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: we're saying the Packers are the best team three games
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and now they look us the Chiefs are the best team.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a week to week league. The
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: thing about that is even if he's really bad in
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: the first half or even three quarters, that means it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: probably pretty close. And he has that rushing upside the
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: QB sneak upside as well, so he can be bad
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: and still get a bailout like rushing touchdown in Salvage twenty.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: So I just think he has a lot of outs.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. We've seen crazy things,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: but in the Dome and pied for twenty eight looks
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: pretty good. If he does bad, I think ETN probably
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: has a good game, not.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: That I care all that much, but it's a soft
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: gardner in or out. I saw the report I can't remember,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it doesn't change anything for me, but just
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: curious on that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I know, a lot of fun Because he went one
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and six on the Jets and one and seven on
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the Colts, it's like, really a game changer. And the
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Colts gave up the world for all this stuff. Where's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: our man, Sean Sullivan? Poor guy man had the Colts
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: just winning out, I think, and they got nothing, so
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't change how I feel about it. I just thought
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it was interesting to note that that's the case. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Beatle Bain, the creator of Jeff, told you it's Jeff,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: so as many people will tell you, it's gift more
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: brutal honesty For the people, I know, they don't want
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to hear that one because there's a G in front
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of it. But it's it's Jeff Jeff or right, yeah, yeah, everyone.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I've even been at fault of it, but it's technicality.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: The actual creators said very clear, it's Jeff Jeff all right,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: title anything else on that one? If not, yeah, you
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: can take us to the Bucks and Dolphins here.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing really in that one. This game, man, it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: been really gross for Baker. But if there was everything,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: like I'm trying to find Stax to maybe get a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: little different, I can play Baker to Mike Evans and
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: just leave it at that. I'm think I'm pretty interested.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna play some just Mike Evans by himself.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: When Baker's in trouble, I just think he throws it
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: up to him. Good matchup against the Dolphins are implied
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: for twenty six points, and I think Jalen Waddle's pretty
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: good on the way back, assuming they're trailing a lot
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: and have to throw. Not much competition for targets. Solid
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: price takes sixty one hundred. I think a skin Evans
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Wattle's interesting. Don't see myself really getting to eight Chan
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: a really high price tag with quinn Ewers, Like as
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: much as we wanted a Chirp to a he just
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: got a Chan in the ball, and there's a lot
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: of direct plays to him. Buccaneers a tough matchup for him.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: He can get there at any point, but eighty five
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: is a big price. Bucky Irving's the one we're showing.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: We're showing fifteen percent. I'm not sure. I think that
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: probably moon walks back. I think people are just so
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: tilted and rightfully so watching the Bucks stuff because they're
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: in the goal line. It's Sean Tucker, if it's third
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: down in the passing situation, it's for Shad White, like
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: he just isn't on the field nearly as much as
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you'd like. But he's sixty two hundred. He's gonna, I think,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: be pretty low owned. I don't know. He's plus one
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: twenty five to score, which hurts. I think you need
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a big play from him, so when you do play him,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: maybe it's easier to play wattle and stuff to speed
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: it up. I'm curious here your guys takes, and I
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: really don't love it. But running back I think is
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: pretty weak. I think he moonwalked and there's no doubt
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the talent is there, and it eats into some Mike
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Evans stuff a little bit. But Mike Evans Baker, I'm
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: gonna play a little wattle as the run back. And
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I want to hear you guys take on Bucky.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: The thing about the Bucks side in general, it's what
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: you just said obviously, the three headed monster. If you will,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I definitely think if you just want to take a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: stand on one, I'm okay with it. It would be
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Bucky for me. But the whole Bucks offense is just
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: all over the place. Like you know, uh, Tyler Hicks
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: just posted in the chat they were talking about getting
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a BUCA more involved, and it's like they have k
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: do on and they've got Godwin. Still they've got these
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: three running backs, Like yes, they're in a good spot
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and they got a good team total and all this
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and that's you just you'd have to dedicate your lineups
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: towards it, And I think that's interesting. This is more
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: of a one to fifty set thing to like what
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: new One's point was earlier. Because if you're gonna take
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: ten percent or twelve percent Baker Mayfield, that's probably gonna
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: be lineups that don't have much to do with the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Arizona Sincy game. Yeah, you could still fit a few
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: pieces in a round, but for the most part, you're
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: saying that something like this game is gonna be sneaky
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and take over the slate for a different game and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: get like a thirty eight to thirty two like whop
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: mentioned like maybe it's this is the game, and then
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you get your a chance, your Wattles, your Waller's, your Evans,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Godwin's like Bukah's, Bucky's, Baker's Like. Doesn't mean you have
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the right way to get it together, but at least
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you'd have a commitment in your portfolio towards it. But
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: really tough and tricky to build out just one set
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: from this who I like Evans and Chan as one
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: offs from either side, maybe a little bit of Waller,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: But what are you thinking in this spot?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty much the same I mean the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: one thing that I look at on the slate like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: we we have a lot of you know, popular quarterbacks Burrow,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, Trevor Lawrence going to be popular. Like
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: who's the guy that can get there? Like, who's the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: guy that can put up a big score? And I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: do think it's Baker, Like I like Baker, but then
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the problem is who do I want to pair him with?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: And it's me. It's just clearly Mike Evans. Like they
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: talked about the BUCA stuff. I heard the quotes as well,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Tyler posted it in there. But it's like then they
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: say they want to get Jalen McMillan involved too, So
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know, there's a lot of uncertainty
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: within BUKA. God when McMillan. I still have this ted
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Ted Johnson. I know Mike Evans is going to be
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: out there. I know Mike Evans is gonna get red
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: zone targets. I know if Baker's in trouble, he's just
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: chucking the ball up to Mike Evans. So I love
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: love Baker to Mike Evans. I think it's a great
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: play on this slide. To be honest with you, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: think Baker is the one guy that can potentially have
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: that big boy score the next quarterback outside of those
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: popular guys. So I'm in on it. I'm in on
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: some Bucky because the ownership, like title said, he's right
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: there with genty like right there, same price, Gent sixty one,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Bucky sixty two probably got to run pretty good. Obviously
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: with the touchdown stuff. I mean, it is going to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: be annoying because they will bring in this Sean Tucker
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: at the goal line. But if we can run good,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: get some pass catches, and then if he can can
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: get in the end zone, I think he could be
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the guy that just I mean just a one v
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: one pivot right there. Genty uh Bucky thirty percent difference
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: in ownership, So I'm in on it as well. And
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: then again compare, I mean, you could say, all right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: it's Baker, it's Bucky, it's Mike Evans, and you have
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a chance to get the entire offense that way. So
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I do like it. Runbacks a chen should another guy
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that has to come back. In terms of ownership, we're
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: showing what we got it at like ten, I wontn't
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: be surprised if a Chan is seven percent or something,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: so definitely interested their Wattle had nine targets sixty one hundred.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's a fine play and then you can
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: play wall or two. So I definitely will be over
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the field on this one. But on the buck side,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's definitely mostly Baker to Mike Evans. I think
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that's the that's the stack there.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Did that clear up anything title or aning you want
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to add to it now? Just because one thing I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: want to be clear up. My main thought premise on
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it is if this is your game, I feel like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you go to this as kind of the spot instead
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of Arizona since and you just hope that you get
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: it right, but you commit enough to it. Obviously in
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: single edgy you just got to build what you think
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: is to build in your portfolio. You can get enough
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of all all these guys, like you said, if you
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: get eight Chan at fifteen and Waller at ten and
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Mike Evans at twenty and Bouka and Godwin at five
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to ten and these guys, you can start to mix
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: it up. But anything else you want to clarify there
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: before we move on.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: What do you guys? I know we're kind of bleeds
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: into this next game, but with Bucky's price right by
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: traveon Henderson and kind of like Remandre right down there
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: as well, Like, how do you see Bucky versus the
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Pats backfield?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tricky. I was just pulling that up, but
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I think that one's pretty split, right, Obviously Henderson's gonna
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: play We know that news now, so we've got it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: But like in general, I don't know. We'll talk about
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it more in a second, because I think it's it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a bigger conversation actually, because we're gonna talk about Drake
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: May and the situation and the game and all that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: But who did you want to add to it quickly?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have any.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I'm probably playing gent Like, I don't think I'm playing
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: him as a one v one pivot and giving up
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: five is projection. I think I'm just playing both and
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: just I'm playing those two at running back. It's kind
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: of how I see it, and that is my thought.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like I'm debating these Pats running back X
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: implied for a bunch of points, but the split makes
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: it tough. But if you don't think it's a split
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: with the concussion thing like Stevenson's a smash, so Yeah,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: how do you see that backfield? That's a huge talking point.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, we're talking. So what's the questions.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Versus the Bucks?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I think there's a chance they
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: just go more and more to Bucky on the on
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the the Bucks, I prefer him definitely over the Patriots
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: guys for sure. And then they had the one thing
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to add, which is a good point again that Tyler
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: brought up. It's like, you know, this is a I'm
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: sorry to keep plicking that this is one of a
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: few teams that absolutely has to win, like they need
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: to win. They can't funk around today like it is.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: They need to win this game. And there's not many
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, the playoff pictures relatively clear. I mean, I
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: think there's just a quote that came out the Packers
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: that are locked into the seventh seed. They said they're
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: probably not playing anyone next week. So this is a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: team that needs to win, and they got to win
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: next week too, so it's a very important game for them.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: So I do think that holds some weight for me
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: now that we're a week seventeen of the NFL season.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they said it who they want to know now?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So Jeff has the trademark for the peanut butter company
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Jif Jiff. And so, now are you a peanut butter guy,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: because we've never got this one quick intermission here and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: if you are crunchy or creamy.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Well you should know the answer to this one because
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: we have the same health issues. It has to be
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: creamy because I can't eat that. I can't eat peanut
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: so and I do love peanut butter, and I absolutely
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: love one of my favorite snacks. You know, if I'm
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: late at night, there's nothing around. Banana with peanut butter.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I think is a great combo, but it's got to
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: be creamy. I can't do the crunchy with the diverticulatest.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, got it, got it covered. So all right,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: let's go to this next game. Then I'm gonna actually
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: go to you title because you brought it up first.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And one thing I was gonna say, well, I saidn't
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: want to hold out for a second. Is I think
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this is a pretty interesting spot just thinking about it
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: from this slate. It's interesting to me. Is it looks
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like may Okay Diggs gets a little for sure, but
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: even like Henry's behind two or three tight ends. Digs
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is behind two or three these other receivers. May's behind
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a couple of these quarterbacks at least, like they're just
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: being in that next tier. And I think what's holding
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: people back is like Henderson playing, and then also the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: fact that they think they're not going to have to
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: do much against the Jets, so they'll just run the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: ball all day. Obviously a great matchup for running backs here.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Now they've got two of them, the props, et cetera.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: How do you see this game playing out and then
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: talk it through from a DFS perspective.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm struggling the most with this, but I'm really
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I'm struggling because I don't know who it's going to be.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm very confident that they put up a ton
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: of points because the Jets are terrible and they've passed
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: like more than almost every team in the league so far.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: They're expect to pass rate is awesome. They're play action
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: games been phenomenal. Drake May has been amazing this year.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: The problem is you have two running backs and Stevenson
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: and Henderson similarly priced. I mean, Travion minus one ten
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: to score Stevenson plus one oh five like both of
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: those are better than Bucky, which is kind of why
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to compare all three of them. If I knew,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: like man, the thirteen to that point favorites are the Pats.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: If they jump up fourteen to nothing, are they just
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: gonna r Stevenson a little more, get Trayveon a little
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: more time with that concussion. Because if that's the case,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: and you get either of these guys in a sixty
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: five thirty five split, I think they're probably the best
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: play on the slate at their ownership. Like this Jets
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: team is terrible, Like they're gonna walk down the field
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: on these guys at will and then the other spot.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting. The passing game is there's no matc
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Collins or Booty. So the biggest problem we've had all
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: year about the Patriots is just what receiver is it
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be? It's so much more condensed now Diggs is
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: getting some ownership, Henry's getting ownership. Both look too cheap
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: for their price. I think Kyle Williams is really strong
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: play at thirty three hundred. They clearly like this guy.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: We saw him Buccaneers game a couple weeks back. He
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: just took like a slant route to the house, like
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: this guy's a big play guy. Thirty three hundred can
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: spend up for Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and McBride
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: and a lot of stuff like that. So I know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I like a lot of Patriots stuff. It's easy to
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: get overweight to everything than me. It's really tough to
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: pick it when you're playing single entry and stuff. By
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: no mean it's gonna make it rule at least one
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Patriots stuff. But I really like all of these guys
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: to the field implied for twenty eight almost twenty nine points.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I think they probably go over that, Like this Jets
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: defense is terrible. So it's what pieces do you like
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: right now? I'm leaning the passing game because I think
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: it's I feel like I'll choose the running back wrong
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: more so than the passing game feels easier. But if
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: you do think it's a big split or tray Van
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't play much or he plays a ton like, go
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: into that. Like I think whoever plays more absolutely smashes
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: and if it's a fifty to fifty split, I think
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: they both can get there. It just isn't enough on
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: a nine game slate to fully be optimal. So I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: love the pat stuff. I just it's still hard to pick,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: but it's a little easier at the pass catching with
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: no Hollins and booty, So I prefer that right now.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Key point was that that's big for me. I talked
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: all season with Drake May Holmes and how it was
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: so hard to pick it and get it right. Well,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: you don't need to when you can just play them
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: all And honestly, they're not worried about anything. They brought
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: up an extra dB as opposed to a wide receiver.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And also Douglas has been questionable all week. We're actually
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: still waiting on that news. I suspect he will play,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: but I still think Kyle Williams is the two, and
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: he's thirty three hundred. You got May, You've got Digs,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you got Williams, you got Henry. If the running backs
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: get you, they get you. But I think there's Drake
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: MVP May on the line here, and I think the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: coach you want in this spot is Mike Rabel. I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: think it's very reminiscent of like a Dan Campbell or
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: a somebody that's just gonna say, you know what, pound
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: these guys crush them and score and let's get my
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: guy this. Let's keep it rolling and get the momentum,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: stay hot going into the postseason, keep all the confidence
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: high because you never know what these injuries and things
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: will look like. So Kyle Williams been a beast since
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: he's come on. I think he's fine at thirty three hundred.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I like Digs at fifty eight. I like Henry at
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: forty five. I like may May priced up at sixty eight.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Give me that too. That's sort of holding him in
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: check a little bit. You do not need a runback
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: people again making cases like Jeremy Ruckert paid and now
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: there's no Mason Taylor Stone smartest there Isaiah Williams last game,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I know people talked about him getting targets ad and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I Mitchell, good luck figuring that out. You just got
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: way more chance of messing up your stacks on the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: side you are saying is going to score points. So again,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: don't need to do that. Can just play those guys
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and hope that they step on them and they look
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: likely should here. So who about kick it to you
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Patriots at the Jets anything you want to add. Patriots
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: de popular by the way as well too.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: So you guys nailed it. I mean on all all guys.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a situation we've been waiting for
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Drake May with a consolidated wide receiver group. I mean
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: all season long, it's been all right, how do you
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: play Drake May? Because there's like eight different dudes you
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: can throw the football too. Well, today that's not the case.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: It's Drake May and maybe like four five guys that
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: he can throw the football to. Diggs Hooper, Kyle Williams.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I think phenomenal plays Kyle Williams, you know, similar to
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Isaac Tesla, Like he gets the ball and he makes
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: something happen. I mean, and he's only thirty three. He's
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be wide receiver too. I think he does big
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: things and I hope he does big things because he's
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: on my best ball team that made it to the finals.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm hoping for a new game for him and
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: it sets up perfect the running back situation. I do
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: think it's I think it's Stevenson over Henderson in terms
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: of the workload today. But like title said, is that
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: enough today? Like is it enough? And I don't know
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: if it is, So I'm not really gonna be prioritizing
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: the running backs for the Patriots today, despite them being
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: fourteen point favorites. I'm just going to lean into the
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Drake May stuff, get way overweight on all of it
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: because they're scoring points. Like you guys said, they're definitely
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: scoring points. I think they go over this team total
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: as well, and I'm going to be leaning on the
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Drake May side to make it all happen. This is
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: what we wanted all season. We knew Drake May was good.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: He's having an MVP sort of year, but it's been
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: frustrating for DFS purposes because it was hard to play
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: them there's so many different guys. Well, he doesn't have
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: all those guys today, much easier to play, and the
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: ownership will be held in check because we have at
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: least two quarterbacks that we know are going to be
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: higher on than him. So it's an ideal situation I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: think this week.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once you stack him up, that's the other
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: thing too. It's like you said, not only is he
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: going to be probably the third highest stone quarterback after
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Burrow and Lawrence and then we'll see where the other
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: guys come in at, but even if he is third,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: it's like how many people have him with two guys
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: or three guy doubles and triples.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to worry about a runback. If
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you don't want to play anything on the jet side,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: don't play anything on the jet side. I mean, they
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: suck and they're projected to score barely anything today, so
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: it makes it even more ideal in my eyes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, All right, who I'm gonna stay with you.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the Saints at the Titans, the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: last of the morning games again, only two afternoon games
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: on this nine game slate. But we've got Tyler Shuck,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Chris Olave, Juwan Johnson, Taysom Hill. The other side, you've
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: got Tony Pollard, Jamir d k. But you know, a
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: lot of different things we'll talk about here. What's your thoughts?
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Uh? Interested in the Saints side of things? For sure,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck actually looks relatively solid, serviceable. He'll take off
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: and run and it's pretty clear you know who you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: want to play them with. The Lave, Juwan Johnson. I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: think Juwan Johnson's definitely really good play at forty two hundred.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: The targets have been up. It's fun to pull that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: up nine last Game nine targets like he's been steady
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: all year, and he converts almost all his targets into
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: catches too, which is key. So I really like Juwan Johnson,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Chris Olave. I think it's a solid play and that's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: all I really need to worry about. And if you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: want to get into the Titan stuff, like, go for it,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: but I definitely prefer the Saints side. I'll be focused
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: in on Shuck a Lave, Juwan Johnson. You can single
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: stack it, you can double and you know, if I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: play Titans, they just randomly get in my lineups. It's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: not like I'm prioritizing Titans. So that's where I'm at.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Title thoughts on this one here, Saints of Titans.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Very similar to Hoop, Shuck Olave, Juan Johnson, and and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's all solid. I do feel a little
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: it feels a little tough when they're applied for twenty
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: one and coming off that big o'lave game and all
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: of that. It feels a little bit like chasing, but
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: it's so condensed and it's really cheap it it fits
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, So I'm good with them. And
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: then I think Titans defense is pretty interesting because like
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Schuck will get some ownership, a lot of a Juwan
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: kind of low teams. It leverages off that stuff. They're
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: only applied for twenty one at home. Defense is random.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: They relatively cheap. So yeah, Chuck doubles and then Titans defense.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: When I'm not playing that, I will say too, Tony Pollard,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I guess if we're showing four percent ownership, Yeah, and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: he's been close to really getting there yard bonus too, yep, yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: he finally turned it on FanDuel. He hasn't caught as
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: many passes well Ward hasn't really dumped it down as much.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, four percent. You can't go wrong with a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: guy that's spent one hundred yards three plus games.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: So good call there, good call.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: That was what I was gonna bring up earlier. I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: definitely think he's more interesting than people are giving him
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: credit for. There's another guy coming up in the next game.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: But just to know, Pollard still looks good, still projects
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: good both sites. He still pops on your your value board.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: You're just not gonna see him pop in the lineups
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: as much because of the price tag. And right there
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: with genty and all of that, but realistically, the matchup
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: on paper is good, still scheduled, put twenty points at home.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: It is the Titans at the Saints. You don't really
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: know how this game is gonna go. I think him
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: with the defense could also be interesting to your point there,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I will go to one quick thought though, because the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: chats mentioned it already, and they were mentioning it earlier
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: as well. I think a lot of people are looking
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: for Taysom Hill at two hundred bucks more than Meyer
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: in this next game and saying like, oh, look at
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: his upside from last week. There was under under I guess, uh,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: what's the word for it? Like under talked about fact
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: from last week, but teary eyed after the game. The
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Saints play their last two games on the road. That
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: was most likely Taysom's last game in the Superdome, and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: that's where the last You know, they didn't need to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: throw that at the end, but why did they. Part
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: of it is that I know he still rushed and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: all that, but they were really looking to get him
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a lot more involved. I'm not sure if that will
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: be the case here as well. Very well could be
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and keep him running on the way out, but most
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: certainly in front of the home crowd and the team
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: that he's played for. There, that's kind of the setup
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: with that from what everything I read and saw this week.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So I still think shack olave Juwan left a ton
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: of points on the table last week. They can go
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: pick up some more of those this week against the Titans.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I really like them. Talked about it yesterday on Leverage
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Lane with Blickel. I like Pollard in this matchup on
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the other side to do enough at fifty five hundred
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is and find on Vandul as well.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So I do have a little bit more interest for
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: this game. The Stone likes it in a couple of places,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: So definitely some thoughts on that one. Last two games
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: on the slate hoop and I'll start with you giants
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: at the Raiders, talked about Genty, talked about Myer. I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: mean pre show, we were talking about genty forty to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: fifty percent. Give us your thoughts again on him, and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: then for those just catching up with us now and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: then we can talk about both sides of this game.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, the team clearly attempting to get the first overall.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these teams you can see
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the tanking at the end. I mean, this is a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: clear situation. Max Crosby to the ir it sounded like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: you wanted to play, and they basically said, no, you're
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: going to the IRR. Season's done. Bauer had injury issues
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: this season, same thing, they said, you know, nope, you're
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: going to be you know, sitting this out the rest
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: of the season. And now genty is still playing for
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: some reason, in this game, sixty one hundred is going
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: to be very very popular, I mean probably close to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: fifty percent. And yeah, maybe he does go off, I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: mean very possible. Maybe they say, you know what, we're
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: going to showcase him. He's gonna get a ton of
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: touches and goes off. But at that ownership, man, that's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: it's tough for me to It depends what you're doing.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I'm playing one hundred and fifty. I'm going to have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: some genty. I'm gonna be underweight on genty. I know
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that for a fact. If you're handbuilding, if your single entry,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be like the worst click
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: on the slate, especially if you're playing popular lineups like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: we talked about. If you're going to be involved in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals and Bengals game, which is going to be
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: probably the most popular game. I'm the sight biggest total
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: and you're looking for one offs or corollary stacks, secondary
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: sacks like Genty is a name that you should not
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: be clicking in those sort of lineups. So I'm gonna
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: be very cautious with the Genty stuff in how I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: play it. Michael Mayer is going to be very popular,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm more fine with like the Mayor stuff opposed
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: to the Genty. Trey Tucker john Beck, like those sort
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: of guys will get some marshit, but it's just a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: bad spot where you know a team wants to lose,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like they want to lose this game. They're actively trying
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: to lose this game. They're underdogs at home. I guess
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: the one thing that could work in their favor is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: the team on the other side might be looking to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: lose as well, in the Giants. But the Giants are
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: favored here. I think they're likely to win this game.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Theo Johnson ruled out. We have a full punt at
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: tight end in Bellinger, which I think is fine. Wandel
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Robinson Tracy, I think the Giants are less likely to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: fully attempt to lose in the Raiders, if that makes sense.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm pretty skeptical of this game. I think a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: wide range of outcomes here, Like I wouldn't be surprised
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: if this game was thirteen to ten. I wouldn't be
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: surprised if this game was like thirty five to thirty
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: or something. I think the range of outcomes in this
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: game is all over the map. But I do like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the Giants side a little bit more for fantasy purposes,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: but I think it's a scary one. So I'm curious
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: see what you guys think on it.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I just think it's like what title said earlier can
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: be true. But also at the same time, I can,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you know, disagree with my lineups in the sense of
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: saying like I'm willing to just go against it because
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: before last week, you know you've seen them get this
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: like nine attacks, ten attabs, fifteen to tabs seventeen nineteen thirteen,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: like he just never one week against Chicago when he
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: had the thirty five and a half. I'm not as
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: afraid to take on some of these like the opposite
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: side of his game, and I'll go to it right now.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy Junior they're actually the favorite. I think now
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: if you look at the books, let me double check
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it just to see. Yeah, yeah, they're the favorite in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: this game, shutting down Crosby, shutting down Bowers. Like if
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: it's not going well, it just it can change on
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: a dime in this type of game, he's fifty four hundred.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Opposite side, I think the Giants d is interesting. I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people, if they're leveraging Genty, are
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: wanting to go like Tucker, but people are playing Meyers still,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: so you just can't see them be as involved on
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: this other side. I'm gonna take the shot on that.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's worth a chance. I think you nailed it, Hoop.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: However you want a word it yours was kind of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: how I was thinking about saying it. It feels like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: the Giants want to lose less. Whatever ends up actually happening,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: who knows, but it just feels like they're actually gonna
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: go out there and do it. And I don't know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: like Gent, he's always had these good props, He's always
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity, Like I just don't see it being needed.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: And again it's what I said yesterday with Alex title.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I get it. From the projection standpoint, everything is baked in.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: That's why he's projecting so well. But then the only
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: thing that can change after that is ownership, and ownership
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: continues to go up and up, and people feeling more
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: comfortable with it and excited about it. I would just
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: if I'm the Giants. Doesn't mean it will always work,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: but I would try and just shut his ass down
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: whatever they have to do, and make Gino throw to Tucker,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Jack Besh and Michael Meyer and see what happens and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: run and go from there. And if Genty beats them
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: and he beats me, fine, But I got one lineup
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: in a tournament of thirty three hundred people with a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: bunch of different angles. I can't play all these chuck guys.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm probably gonna avoid this spot and just look
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: to get different elsewhere.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, I think I'm gonna be on the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: opposite approach. I might have seventy percent Genty. I just
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I think Pete, like I said up top, and I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: agree with Tyler. I think management Upper really wants to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: lose this game, and that's why they pulled all the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: boers in that string. But at the end of the day,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Pete Carroll's gonna be the coach, and it's not gonna
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: be those guys up top. He's gonna be fired. He's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: not going to be there next year. And I think
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: he could care less. I think he wants to win
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: this game. The problem and the way, my favorite way
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: if I'm not playing genty is I think playing Tyron
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: and Tracy, like you said, who I do like, And
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: the reason for that is I think they can just
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: slow down the game a ton. If they're just third
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: and shorts and they keep picking that up, you could.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, we saw it with the Ravens yesterday. They
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: took half the first quarter just pounding Derrick Henry. I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: think that's the way the Giants really stall this game,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: and then you can play good amount of Tracy. The
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: problem is Singletary's a little involved gent. He played like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: ninety plus percent of snaps last week. I don't think
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: really that changes this week. And if that's the case,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: even if the Giants do try and sell and stop him,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: this defense has been awful lately against the run. In
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: a dome, the price takes great So I'm gonna play
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: a bunch of Gent and then also, yes, he's clearly chalk,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: but Michael Mayer might be like twenty percent. Trey Tucker's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: showing a decent amount of ownership. I don't necessarily love
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: that by any means. I think Kyle Williams is a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: pretty solid pivot in that lower tier. After that, I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: do like Tracy quite a bit. He will be more
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: popular on FanDuel, for sure, where three running backs is
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: the common build and he's cheap over there. I believe,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: like sixty two hundred. I do like him on both sides, though.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, all they've done recently is just run the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: heck out of the football, which makes me like Jandale
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Darius Slayton little less. And then they're not giving it
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Jackson Dart as many design runs. So Tracy's one of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: my favorites in this game, both running backs and then Wandale.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: If I had a preferred pass catcher, I think he'd
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: be mine right there. Then I wanted to shout out
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Derek appreciate the dollar ninety nine. I probably would go Burden.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: It's pretty close, but that's the Sunday night game, second
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: highest total of the week, fifty one and a half
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: three point underdog, So I think they will have to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: throw the ball a little more. And yeah, he was
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: out last week, he'll be back this week. And I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: mean when he's been on the field, he's been the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: primary target for him. So full point, I think I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: would go burden right there.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I agree with you as well. Good call it on that.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up. I appreciate you, Derek, So
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: definitely think you know this game is going to be
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: polarizing because a lot of people are looking at someone
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: mentioned like how the ownership. I think he'll be even
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: higher owned when you get to the higher dollar, smaller
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: field stuff. That's typically how it goes, and genty just
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: sort of looks so good on projections that that's going
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: to be the case. Again, projections are built for that reason.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: It's all baked into that. But when the ownership keeps
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: going up, and I talked with this on the stone,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you can already see it. He's very likely to be optimal.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: But his ownership has crossed that quite heavily. And when
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: you get to that, if you get to the higher
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: stake stuff and it's fifty or sixty, now it's really
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: crossed it where it's like, again, doesn't mean you can't
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: play it likely to be optimal for a reason. But
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm seeing too much of is people are playing
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: gente with Meyer. Oh, but I'm gonna get that Arizona
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: since he game too. It's like, now you did not
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: get different for this slate, and if that hits, I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: mean you're gonna be looking the threat a very tight needle.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: As we talked about plenty of this season. So I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of the key component there. I like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: the Tracy car I like Giants d with Tracy. Actually
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I think both are interesting. And then I think, yeah,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: just less less interested on the Raiders stuff. Even the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Meyer thing. It's getting a bit out of control, I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: think as well with his ownership, because if you look
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: at it too, hoop with him and then you can finalize.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I know you've alread talked about this game, but just
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to note it, like with Meyer, you can't count all
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: the situations because obviously you got brock Bowers. It's different.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: But he has like one game over what thirteen I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: don't know, Like anytime he's got he's had plenty of
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: So even in the last five weeks he's had three, four, four,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: seven targets. These are for one, two, three, four points, Like,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I just on a slate where you need ceiling. I
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: think even the someone mentioned Austin Hooper earlier, if you're
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: playing like Drake May lineup at the same pright, I
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: just think there's gonna be a lot of the same
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: quarterback builds that use Meyer as like, oh, just make
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: it all work. But there might be something you can
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: plug in there, like a Williams or a Hooper and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: a Drake May or going to a Williams as a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: one off in a Trevor Lawrence lineup or something like
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: that where you can get different that way. So I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: don't know who any other final thoughts now we've all
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: talked through it. If not, you can take us to
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the final game, which is the Eagles at the Bills.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing really, I just think it's a just My
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: main point is the range of outcomes I think is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: just so wide in this game and very hard to predict.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: And you can make that case for a lot of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: different games with this one specifically when you factor in
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: like the draft stuff and the push and pull in
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: terms of like his upper management wandable versus the guys
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: on the field, and it's a tough one. So a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: range of outcomes pretty wide. Do what you want with
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: that sort of information. The last game, you know, probably
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: a better real life game than fantasy game. And I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: guess this is the one weather spot sounds like it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: supposed to rain the entire game. Uh. And the one
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: thing I think back to with rain these rain games
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: was a couple of weeks ago when it was who
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: was at the Bucks and Saints, I believe, and it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: was that when the Bucks were very popular in Survivor
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: and they just ran the ball both sides and neither
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: team could stop the run. It was just successful run.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Successful run, successful run. Hard to tackle guys when they're wet,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: and you know, even even it might be difficult as
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: a runner to make the cuts, but the defense still
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: has to try to stop you, and it's gonna be
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: just as difficult for them, probably more difficult. And the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: one thing that stands out to me here, both these
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: teams love to run the ball. Like you have two
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks that run, two running backs that are good and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Barkley and James Cook. So I don't know, I think
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: maybe we could see just a back and forth running game.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: And if that's the case, like we saw that we
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: had the one example a few weeks ago where it
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: rained the entire second half and they just ran and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: neither team could stop the run. Do we get that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: today possibly, and both teams would be good with that. So,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: you know, Hurts no ownership, Josh Allen, no ownership. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: think these guys both have two to three rushing touchdown
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: upside if we do just get a lot of running.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: And then you got the running backs in Barkley and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: James Cook. They're getting a little more ownership, but definitely
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: held in check. So I'm gonna be really focused in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I think, on getting exposure to this game via the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and the running backs. With Hurts and Allen very
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: low owned, it's not going to take much to get there.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: And then Barkley and James Cook probably both sub fifteen percent,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: so low owned for them as well. I just wanted
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: to pull that up. Barkley we have at eleven, James
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Cook we have at a lot of it, essentially like
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: right around on the same So I'm gonna take some
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: chances on the running. I do think the passing passing
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: stuff is a little difficult today for both these offenses.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: You know, no, you never really have to dive deep
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: into the bills passing stuff. You know what you're getting there.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: But like aj Brown, Devanta Smith, maybe a little bit
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: of a downgrade to those guys, but definitely entrusted in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: some hurts. Allen Barkley, James Cook.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the big things for me titled this
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: is it makes it somewhat problematic. But to Hoop's point,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: could definitely work, and even people talk about it. You
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: see on the stone good matchups for with these running backs.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: If it is gonna be a weather game and just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: back and forth like that, could definitely see it. But
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: playing James Cook and Barkley basically takes you out of
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the running for McBride and jamar Chase, like, that's kind
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: of what you're looking at at the similar price points.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So that's where people when they're wondering why they're not
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: getting much of it or what's happening in their lineups.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: That's just the starting point and then you work out
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: from there. But like you, you're not gonna be able
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: to get You could say, oh, if I play these two,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: now I could just run to that game. Maybe depends
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: on how you build it out, but of course it
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: would have to be you know, leaving some of the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: key guys off, and then you're gonna have more punts
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: in it probably than not. So what's your thoughts on Cook,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Barkley the rest of these games, this game, and then
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: anything else you want to add as it dynamics wise
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to the slate.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think both running backs are solid at their
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: ownership and price. I wouldn't play them together. I think
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: you're just giving up too much, like you said, getting
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, JSN, Trey McBride. It feels a little more
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: difficult for me to do that. But as one offs,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: if you look at the stone, how you beat both
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: teams is on the ground now A little skewed with
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: the ego stuff. Jalen Carter's back this week. I was
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: really hoping he wouldn't be. James Cook is just so
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: good at football, like I don't really care, and the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: receivers are so bad for the Bills that I think
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: it's just Josh Allen and James Cook havin to do
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: all of it. He's minus one oh five to score
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: plus one hundred. First, say, oh, right, when I said that,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: someone must have bet at minus one ten to now
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: score for James Cook plus one hundred for say, like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: if they get a touchdown, they really could get there.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: They are priced up, but I think they're going to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: be lower own than JT. Hoo projects a little better.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: These two are with JT the highest rushing attempt prop
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: on the late both you're supposed to have over one
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: hundred yards through the air and the ground. Yeah, I
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: think it's a way to get different in Chalkier's stuff.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: Just play Saquon or just play James Cook fight a lean.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Probably James Cook, we've seen it more. He's been amazing.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: But Saquon finally they're starting to get him involved a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: little bit. And the easiest way to eat the bills
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: is clearly on the ground. So that's about it for me.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Though it's too expensive to play the quarterbacks. Josh Allen
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: has no one to pay him with him. If I'm
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: playing Josh Allen, I'm just playing Josh Allen. I don't
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: hope he just throws it two different people and he
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: rushes one or two in. But I don't think I'm
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: going there at spend up. So yeah, Cook and Saquon
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: individually I think are pretty solid.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, final thoughts on that one for me, I think
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I would like the Barkley side. One note on the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Eagle side is getting back Jalen Carter this week. That
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: is the run stuff for I know that you can
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: still see James Cook through the pass game and whatnot,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: but it makes it pretty tricky. I also this is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: just gut feel and watching enough games and seeing what
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like. Maybe it's just this year the Eagles
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: haven't fell at the one as often, but it feels
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: like less tush push with hurts, and I know about
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen going up in a spot like this. He
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: also is gonna want to steal some thunder, so it
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: could be him taken away. I just think there's multiple
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: options that could pull at Cook. But obviously on paper
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: still looks really good, So if you landed there, I'd
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: have no problem with it. I prefer the Barkley side.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I even think Barkley Eagles is interesting. Eagles only twenty
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: six hundred in the spot that you know Josh Allen
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: could just make some mistakes. It happens, so I think
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: it's at least somewhat interesting. But yeah, it's really tricky
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: when there's so many other options on this slate up
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: above that we talked about to fit these guys in,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: So title, anything else you want to add on the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: slate as a whole in any other final thoughts for you?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Oh title hit the mute?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: But yeah, ever, well that might be good because I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: haven't got anywhere and tournament, so maybe that's a good
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: thing taking the hooper out. The one question I had
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: of the three most popular quarterbacks, Trevor Burrow, Drake May,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: how would you rank them? Because I think I'm gonna
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: be more condensed at QB than usual. Do you have
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: a strong Leana And I'm still struggling on like this
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: single entry stuff.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I think I'm still in on May, but it's probably
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: like it's probably May, Lawrence, Burrow for me. But I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: get why you know people would have that different looks
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: really good obviously.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: After talking through with you guys and you know, realizing
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: how condensed the offense is for the Patriots, I think
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: it's Drake May, Andy's the lowest known to the three.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's gonna hold true as well. So to me,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be May and then I don't know, I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: think like Burrow and probably May, Burrow and Trevor Lawrence
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: I guess is but I do like Lawrence as well,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: just because when we talked about that game, it's like
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: all the different ways to play them and whatnot. So
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's May. Maybe it's the opposite, then
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: May Trevor Lawrence and then Burrow.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's not, though Lawrence is by like, it's Lawrence
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: for sure, and then Lawrence and Burrow our top two
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: and then May's after. That's that's what the ownership tells
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: us right now, and it's pretty much similar across the board.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I don't see that changing very much. It's also the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: common build when you put it together, so I definitely
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: think it May comes in third highest owned of those
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks because people aren't as confident that they will toss
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: the ball around and it's always been harder to figure
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: it out before, so maybe they don't land there as much.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: But I think the Lawrence builds sim the best project
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the best. People look at those ones quite a bit, obviously,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: people want a piece of that Bengals game. I'm even
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: seeing people build out Brissette side now and starting to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: come up with thoughts on that. So it's like that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: game is you're not gonna get away from. People aren't
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: in love with Michael Carter or Chase Brown. They'll have
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: ownership for sure, but it's not like people are gonna
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: say I'll play this instead. So a lot of people
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: are playing Burrough Chase and then McBride and then the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Laurence stuff goes together so well because people are sold
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: on Myers, Brian Thomas Junior getting a late boost, are
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: already in on Etn Junior. So yeah, it's it's close,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason I asked is that's like I'm gonna
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: beat in Chalk at quarterback. There's no doubt I'll be
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: a lot more condensed than most weeks there, and your
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: lineup should tell a story. If we're eating genty, Jamar
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Chase and Joe Burrow, you better find a Kenneth Walker,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: some differentiator somewhere because everyone will be doing way less
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: games that we've talked about a lot recently. We've had
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: thirteen and twelve. Now we're down to nine, and yeah,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: like Kenny said, or someone said, the late swap not
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: nearly as important. You should always be doing it. But
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: with only two games and a lot of different pricing range,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: like everyone will be just in on the Vegas giant stuff.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: It's hard to pivot away from it.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're dead with genty, you just go to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith or Robinson or something like that, like whoever
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: you got that, whoever else you want. But I mean
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: going to Genty's not gonna do much for you there.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: So it's thought process is based around that. THEO Johnson out.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it a bunch in that game,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: but it was just a note as well. On the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: opposite side, Bellinger is the opposite side of Meyer in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the same game, same type of setup. I mean, it's
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: not like either of them. I don't see either them
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: breaking the slate, but obviously if it happens, it happens.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: So it's like that's the setup, and then what do
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: you really need? But like Hoop said earlier, my big
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: takeaway is with the softer pricing and the way these
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: games set up, there's gonna be game stacks or enough
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: ceiling plays that come out of different spots than you
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: would expect that you could still put it all together
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: and make for a higher scoring lineup. So we'll see
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: how it shakes out just nine games. So Hoop, any
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: final thoughts from you man before we get out of
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: anything else you want to add for the slate.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't talk about Dart all that much, but
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: I do like Dart as a probably a pretty low
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: owned option, Like if the Raiders are just like, yeah,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: fuck this, we're done, No, Max Crosby, like Dart is
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the guy that could definitely take advantage of that, like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: if he's playing like a weaker defense and just absolutely
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: go for it today. So I do think Dart is
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: a solid has to be relatively low on probably around
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: five percent i'd say play, and he could in a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: dome as well. He could just fully take advantage of
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: a team that might not be going one hundred percent.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: So I did want to add that in there. So
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: I think that is a good point. But I like
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: the slate, like we kind of said him to open
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of different ways to go. There's some some
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: good sit situations to exploit. But the one thing I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: think is definitely a high scoring slate. I think it's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: definitely gonna be high scoring slate. So if you're playing
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: somebody you want them to be able to put up points.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be playing someone that you think can get
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: like twelve today, Like everyone should be twenty or above.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's good slay, good luck to everyone.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Let's get those ship in Nation logos to the top.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, should be a good one. All right, Well
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: that's gonna do it, guys. I mean I think this
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: is the you know, the main thing for Week seventeen
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: is just to focus on the roster construction. From me,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I think, like I said, it's you can find all
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: these diamonds in the rough. That's more of Next week
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: we'll try that out and see when you know teams
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: are completely giving up playing backups, you can sort of
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: bring your preseason edge back into it if you had
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: one or if you know stuff. But I think for
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: this week it's gonna be based around roster construction. I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: liked Kenny's point the title hit onto round out his
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: thoughts where it was like the late swap factor and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: little things along those lines where you kind of just
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: got to look at your build from the beginning, decide
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: what you're moving forward with, and just let it ride.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: If obviously, if you're dead and you have gent, I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: would look to swap just because there's no way you're
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: making up ground with that. But just keep that in mind.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Fun slight ahead. We appreciate you guys, wish you the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: happy holidays. We'll be back next week. Be safe on
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: New Year's but we'll see you guys tomorrow for the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Monday night Football show. We've got title Hoop and myself
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  Speaker 1: breaking down the rams at the Falcons, So that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: over this week guys for title for Hoop, for myself,
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  Speaker 1: Totech and tambo led ship it