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Scott Peterson Retrial? Countess Luann’s New TV Show · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: always engaging, hilarious, juicy interview with Countess Luann. But first,
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  Speaker 2: I met her first season of the show and she
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  Speaker 2: that she got engaged at the end of a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: And the four of them have so much fun together,
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  Speaker 2: and I love their relationship and I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: go to the wedding. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: This is, this is very interesting news regarding Matthew Perry's horrible,
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  Speaker 2: untimely death where he struggled with addiction and was found
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  Speaker 2: in his own jacuzzi where they found that he had
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  Speaker 2: an enormous amount of ketamine in him. This is a
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  Speaker 2: drug that is used for therapy but can oftentimes be
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  Speaker 2: horribly abused in which that was his case. And five
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  Speaker 2: people have been arrested. This is kind of unprecedented and
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  Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that this is happening and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you are too. The five people are this woman called
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  Speaker 2: the Ketamine Queen. And her friends are saying, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe it. She goes to charity events. She's been to
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  Speaker 2: the Oscars. She's so fabulous. Well, she's looking at either
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  Speaker 2: life imprisonment or a huge amount of time. But she
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  Speaker 2: is fighting it. She is going to trial. She was
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  Speaker 2: supposedly the one that was supplying all this ketamine to
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  Speaker 2: drug dealers as well as two doctors. So two doctors
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  Speaker 2: have been arrested who also administered ketamine. and supplied the ketamine,
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  Speaker 2: they have found that there's text messages from these doctors saying,
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  Speaker 2: how much can we charge this moron? It's really not
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  Speaker 2: an expensive drug. And from what I've seen, besides giving
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  Speaker 2: him so many drugs that it killed him, they overcharged
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  Speaker 2: him on top of it. Then there is a drug
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  Speaker 2: dealer named Eric Fleming that was the go-between between the
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  Speaker 2: ketamine queen and the doctors and his assistant. His assistant
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  Speaker 2: is 59 years old. His name is Kenny Iomasa. He's
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  Speaker 2: 59 and he was with him for like 25 years
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  Speaker 2: as a personal assistant. He has pled guilty and he
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  Speaker 2: is facing 15 years for administering a drug that led
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  Speaker 2: to death. And he was giving him injections. The doctor
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  Speaker 2: taught him how to do it, but he would oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: do it on his own Of course, it was, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 2: the request of his boss, Matthew Perry, which is this
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  Speaker 2: weird place that sometimes personal assistants get into, especially with
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  Speaker 2: celebrities that have drug and alcohol problems. You know, they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of that catch-all. They do everything from picking up
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  Speaker 2: your dry cleaning to, unfortunately, this. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: innocent at all. I'm glad that he is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that he pled guilty, but he's most likely going to
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  Speaker 2: do some time for it. In describing himself as a
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  Speaker 2: personal assistant on social media, he wrote, I thrive in
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  Speaker 2: chaotic situations. Interesting. Which call for order. I am discreet,
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  Speaker 2: running around. There's so much to this case, but if
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  Speaker 2: you read it, it's like there's all these text messages
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  Speaker 2: where he's reaching out to the doctors and to the
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  Speaker 2: drug dealer and being like, I'll meet you at 3rd
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  Speaker 2: Street Promenade. How much is it? And writing in code,
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  Speaker 2: calling it Dr. Pepper. I need more cans of Dr. Pepper.
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  Speaker 2: which is code for vials of ketamine. One of the
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  Speaker 2: doctors is like, I know you said you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take a break from it, but I have plenty for you,
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  Speaker 2: and the nurse knows to give it to you if
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  Speaker 2: you ask while I'm away. I mean, and it was
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  Speaker 2: like the schedule leading up to his death was just
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  Speaker 2: every day, every day, every day, getting more and more
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  Speaker 2: huge doses to Matthew Perry. He also writes about himself, Kenneth,
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  Speaker 2: I am discreet, loyal, and honor absolute confidentiality. I love deadlines, contracts,
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  Speaker 2: dotting I's, and solving puzzling situations and projects. Anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great that we have these five people.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, the doctor and the ketamine queen woman,
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  Speaker 2: they are going to go to trial and try to
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  Speaker 2: defend themselves. But they're looking at a lot of years.
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  Speaker 2: One of them is looking at life in prison. The
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  Speaker 2: assistant is looking at 15 years. And, of course, to
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  Speaker 2: remind you guys, this is Matthew Perry's stepdad for many,
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  Speaker 2: many years, married his mother, is Dateline's Keith Morrison. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if that had anything to do
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  Speaker 2: with it. Maybe, maybe knowing about the law, pushing for
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  Speaker 2: it helped get this cracked open. I hope that more
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  Speaker 2: people that have loved ones that have passed, that they
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  Speaker 2: are searching who sold the ketamine, who sold the fentanyl,
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  Speaker 2: like let's find out who these people are and get
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  Speaker 2: them off the street so more families are saved. But
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  Speaker 2: this was some positive news in that sad tragedy of addiction. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: a little update on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldino. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Justin Baldino had hired this PR firm. Allegedly, this is
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  Speaker 2: the same PR firm that worked for Johnny Depp. This
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  Speaker 2: is what I heard, I might be wrong, that worked
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  Speaker 2: for Johnny Depp in getting stories out about Amber Heard. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 2: all these stories about Blake Lively are coming up. We
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  Speaker 2: see a video of her being quite rude and to
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  Speaker 2: an interviewer while she's sitting next to her co-star, Parker Posey,
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  Speaker 2: where it was just such a bitchy, mean girl moment.
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  Speaker 2: The interviewer is like, congratulations on your bump. Blake Lively
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  Speaker 2: is pregnant. She goes, congratulations on your bump. And Blake goes,
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  Speaker 2: and congratulations on your bump. And the woman was not pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: And now Blake didn't know this, but she actually struggled
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  Speaker 2: with fertility. So that was extra bitchy. And then the
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  Speaker 2: two of them, she and Parker Posey, it doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: Parker Posey look great either, are just talking to each
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  Speaker 2: other like this and ignoring this interviewer. So she's come out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if the PR company found her and
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  Speaker 2: was like, you should tell the story. Or with all this,
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I got a story to tell because I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed a lot of people on both camps, pro and anti,
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  Speaker 2: Justin and Blake are speaking. And some stories are juicier
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  Speaker 2: than others. So there's many cases in which he's coming
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  Speaker 2: off real bitchy. Now, the problem they had with this movie,
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  Speaker 2: to remind you guys, he is the director. and star
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  Speaker 2: of it and she is the star of it and
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  Speaker 2: the producer. And they did– they conflicted creatively. He wanted
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  Speaker 2: a certain ending that he felt was more true to
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  Speaker 2: the book. That was about a woman escaping generational domestic
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  Speaker 2: violence from her partner and saying it ends with us.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter and I won't let this happen to us
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  Speaker 2: again in her life. And she presented it and wanted
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  Speaker 2: to promote it as bring your girlfriends, bring your flowers.
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  Speaker 2: This is like a really great, fun, girly movie to see.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhat promoting it like this is this year's Barbie. Go
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  Speaker 2: get your girls and come. And so they conflicted on
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  Speaker 2: the edit. It got the more Blake Lively feminine edit.
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  Speaker 2: And therefore they were not promoting it together, though he
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  Speaker 2: has not blatantly said anything badly about her. Sources say
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  Speaker 2: she didn't like Justin because at one point she heard
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  Speaker 2: that he asked how much she weighed because he had
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  Speaker 2: to pick her up and he has a bad back
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  Speaker 2: and he wanted to work with his trainer before picking
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  Speaker 2: her up. She was sensitive to that. She just had
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  Speaker 2: her fourth baby, so she didn't like him. She also allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: according to a source, said the kisses lingered too long.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's people that are coming out having great stories
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  Speaker 2: about Justin and one girl said, when my boyfriend was
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  Speaker 2: going to ask me to marry him, he reached out
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  Speaker 2: to some of my favorite stars and asked if they
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  Speaker 2: could give a video about it. And Justin actually answered.
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  Speaker 2: And in his video, he made it very clear, like,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like you have a great guy. And if
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  Speaker 2: this is something you choose to do and you accept
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  Speaker 2: his proposal, I hope it's a beautiful life. And she's like,
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  Speaker 2: I really like that. He was the only person out
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  Speaker 2: of these stars, men and women that in talking about
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  Speaker 2: the engagement, knew that I still had a choice in
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  Speaker 2: saying yes or no. So she was very pro him.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a couple stories where women are saying he
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  Speaker 2: was a little flirty with them. He was a little
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  Speaker 2: flirty at a front desk at a doctor's office. He
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  Speaker 2: was a little flirty with this college girl that brought
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  Speaker 2: him to a speaking engagement at the college. She felt
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  Speaker 2: he hugged her a little long. I mean, some of
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  Speaker 2: these things are stretching. They're also going back into Blake
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  Speaker 2: Lively interviews as far back as 2009 and 2012, in
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  Speaker 2: which she has said some really politically incorrect statements about
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  Speaker 2: transgender people. So then people go, well, hey, that was
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  Speaker 2: 15 years ago and people spoke like that. Other people
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  Speaker 2: are saying, hey, I was 12 and knew not to
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  Speaker 2: speak like that in 2012. So it's all coming out.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not great. She is staying silent, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is probably the wise thing to do is not
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  Speaker 2: to address all these little chatter things. However, it makes for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people are talking. Everybody's coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: woodwork saying either positive or negative things. And I have
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  Speaker 2: yet to see the movie. I would like to maybe
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  Speaker 2: go see it this weekend and then give a review
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  Speaker 2: of what I think. But I have not read the
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  Speaker 2: book either. But there you go with that. Mauricio of
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  Speaker 2: Kyle and Mauricio of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and
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  Speaker 2: Buying Beverly Hills. Netflix is not bringing it back for
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  Speaker 2: a third season. I was a little surprised by this
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  Speaker 2: because I was invited to a Netflix party that was
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  Speaker 2: just featuring their reality TV shows at this beautiful estate
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  Speaker 2: in Bel Air. I talked about it. And there was
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  Speaker 2: the Ryan Serhan from the Buying Manhattan show. There was
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  Speaker 2: all the Buying Beverly Hills people there. And this was
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  Speaker 2: only a couple months ago. There were the Selling Sunset people.
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  Speaker 2: There were all the Love is Blind and all that.
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  Speaker 2: And so I thought it was coming back. But when
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  Speaker 2: I talked to some of them, they were like, we're
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  Speaker 2: waiting to see. And they're not. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: it must have just not had the ratings they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: And I liked it. I enjoyed it. But when I
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  Speaker 2: look back, I don't think it had the drama and
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  Speaker 2: people weren't as invested in the actual characters of the
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  Speaker 2: other real estate people the way they are with– million
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  Speaker 2: dollar listing with like Josh Flagg or selling Sunset. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not coming back. There you go. Ariana of Vanderpump Rules,
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  Speaker 2: her brother, Jeremy, who was featured on the show, but
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  Speaker 2: there's been some talk about how they have, there's some distance.
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  Speaker 2: And some of the narrative out there was that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she's become too high on her horse for him and
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't there for his birthday, though Sheena was, and
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't there when he asked his girlfriend to get married.
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  Speaker 2: So people were kind of like trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what's the riff. Is it just that she's busy? Is
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  Speaker 2: that she's disassociating herself because she's too great? Or is
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  Speaker 2: it just we're siblings and we're just like not hanging
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  Speaker 2: out right now? It's not a big deal. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: got arrested for allegedly trying to fly from Florida, Orlando, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: to Germany with a suitcase. with 76 pounds of marijuana. Now,
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  Speaker 2: can I just say as someone who flies a lot,
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  Speaker 2: maybe don't go over the weight limit. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: if you're smuggling drugs and you don't want to draw
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  Speaker 2: attention to yourself. I mean, there's been times when I
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  Speaker 2: go and it's now you can pay extra for this
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  Speaker 2: if it's up to 75. OK, but I always do
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  Speaker 2: the 50. But then there's times where it's like 52.
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  Speaker 2: And the girl kind of looks at me and is like,
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  Speaker 2: I got you, girl. And she just throws it on
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  Speaker 2: the thing. And then there's been other times where I'm
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  Speaker 2: that person opening it up, removing the heavy shoes or
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  Speaker 2: whatever to get down to the numbers. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what happened. But, you know, in defense of her,
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  Speaker 2: maybe she knew that he was doing something throughout his
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  Speaker 2: life that she didn't totally agree with. Maybe she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know at all. But this doesn't look good. Oh, and
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  Speaker 2: I also heard that allegedly Sheena and Lala are filming
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  Speaker 2: The Valley together. to kind of make up for Jax.
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  Speaker 2: Jax is not on the show right now because he's
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  Speaker 2: in a rehab or a mental place to get himself
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  Speaker 2: together while he's separated from Brittany. So that's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, still no word on if the show
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  Speaker 2: is coming back.
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  Speaker 4: Vanderpump.
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  Speaker 2: But she's meanwhile back in Chicago singing, doing fabulous. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens with the brother. Okay, now I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about a very juicy case. It's one
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  Speaker 2: that I've talked about many times these past nine years.
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  Speaker 2: It is the Lacey Peterson, Scott Peterson case. There is
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  Speaker 2: a three-part documentary on Netflix. I highly recommend it, whether
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  Speaker 2: you're very familiar with this case, as I am, or not.
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  Speaker 2: There were things in there I was not aware of.
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  Speaker 2: To tell you this was the inspiration for the book
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  Speaker 2: and movie Gone Girl, It was a very good looking couple.
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  Speaker 2: She was adorable. They lived in Modesto, which a middle
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  Speaker 2: class neighborhood and a cute house. They had only been
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  Speaker 2: married a few years. They got married right out of college.
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  Speaker 2: And she was nine months pregnant when she went missing
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  Speaker 2: with their baby on Christmas Eve. And he came home
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  Speaker 2: and she wasn't there. He took ate some pizza, took
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  Speaker 2: a shower, was like, where is she? He sees the
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  Speaker 2: dogs in the backyard with the leash on. He calls
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  Speaker 2: his mother-in-law, who lives in the neighborhood. That's why they
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  Speaker 2: moved there, to be close to her mom. And he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where she, where's Lacey? She's not, is
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  Speaker 2: she with you? And she goes, no, she's not with me.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, well, then she's missing. People always thought
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  Speaker 2: that was weird that he used the word missing. He
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  Speaker 2: calls the friends. The mom's not going to waste any time.
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  Speaker 2: She gets her husband, who is Lacey's stepfather, and they
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  Speaker 2: go to start looking around where she would have walked
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  Speaker 2: with the dog, which was near this River, which the
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  Speaker 2: house looks super cute, but there was some sketchy crime
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  Speaker 2: stuff happening within the vicinity, like within blocks of where
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  Speaker 2: their house was. There was a robbery across the street.
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  Speaker 2: There was always some discrepancy of when that robbery took place.
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  Speaker 2: Could Lacey have seen it and intercepted it and they,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, hurt her and not her husband? Of course,
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  Speaker 2: the husband becomes the suspect. He tells the mother, Lacey's mother,
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  Speaker 2: I was golfing. When he gets taken into custody to
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  Speaker 2: ask some questions, not arrested, but ask questions, he said,
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  Speaker 2: I took my boat out fishing. I was going to golf.
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  Speaker 2: It was too cold. So I went to my storage
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  Speaker 2: unit and took my little fishing boat and hooked it
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  Speaker 2: up to my car and went and put it in
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  Speaker 2: the water. And I went around fishing. And he says
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  Speaker 2: exactly where he went in this area, which was quite
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  Speaker 2: a drive. And she was going to finish making cookies.
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  Speaker 2: We woke up that morning. We watched Martha Stewart. It
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  Speaker 2: was an episode about meringue pie or something. And then
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  Speaker 2: I left. And then I came home and realized like
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  Speaker 2: her purse was there. The dog on the leash was there.
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  Speaker 2: And I did everything right. They're like, well, do you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: have any witnesses to fishing? He's like, well, I have
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: my ticket from when I checked the boat in. So
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: that timeline is he would have been gone when she
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: would have been walking the dog or not. So a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: lot of people are like, he's very suspicious. He's doing interviews.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: He's good looking. He doesn't seem sad. Then the bombshell happens.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: This girl, Amber Fry, comes out. She's like, I'm his girlfriend.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I was his girlfriend. And he went to a Christmas
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: party with me. He was into my daughter. I'm a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: single mom. And he told me that this would be
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: his first Christmas without his wife, that his wife had passed. Okay.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, holy shit. They still don't arrest him. There's
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: no body. There's no blood in the house. There's nothing.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: There's no mattresses missing. There's no sheets missing, things like that. Now,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: this is also over 20 years ago, so it's not
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like they're looking at, oh, did he search Google this?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Did he Google that? No, there's nothing like that. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: there's so much to the case, and I can't go
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: through it all, but in watching it, the mother is
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: still mourning her daughter and son, obviously. What happens is
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: four months later, the partial body of Lacey goes up
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: on shore as well as the nine-month baby. They don't
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: know if the baby was born. This is the one
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: thing they didn't know. And this is graphic and I'm sorry,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: but they don't know if her body was thrown into
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the ocean and because of, and maybe there was anchors
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: holding her down and then because of fish and stuff,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: it floated back up. And at some point the baby
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: had separated from the stomach or was she and the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: baby put there separately, which then would have made it
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that it wasn't him. They couldn't prove it. The defense
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and the prosecution could not prove when, in fact, she
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: was killed. He gets arrested the day they find the bodies.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They find in his car that he has dyed his
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: hair orange. He has $ 15, 000 in cash. He has his
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: brother's ID. He has some knives. He has some extra clothes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But the day that they caught him, he was just
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: in San Diego going to Torrey Pines, and he had
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a tea time. And they were like, was he going
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to Mexico to escape? So now he does get convicted.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Amber takes the stand. He gets convicted. One thing interesting
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: is the two people, the two men that they talked to,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the jurors that convicted him of murder and sentenced him
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to life, were being interviewed. And my sister Shannon was there,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: who's a criminal defense attorney. And she goes, well, now
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: this is a defense attorney's dream for this case.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I go, what do you mean?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: She goes to have two straight white males doing a
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: case in which they're looking at him. One guy even says,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe Scott could do it. He looked like
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: my son. Cheating on your wife doesn't mean that you're
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: guilty of doing this crime. They do end up convicting him.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He gets life. He since has been taken off death
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: row and is now doing life without parole. Tonight, Tuesday,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on Peacock, he now is going to be speaking for
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the first time in an interview. Now, he has always
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: said he was innocent. He always said he did not
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: do this. There was And basically the case in his
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: innocence since he's been put away, which his sister-in-law has
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: been at the helm of, has involved witnesses that said
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: they did see her walking that morning, which would not
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: have made sense because how could she be walking that
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: morning if he was dumping her body in the sea?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: There have been, like I said, there were crimes. There
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was another woman who went missing who was very pregnant.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Did somebody want her baby? Did someone take her? then
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: see what was going on in the news. It was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: all the news where he was fishing that day and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: kind of framed him for it. Those are the things.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: So what could he possibly say in this interview, which
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be watching tonight. And all I can,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: these are the, these are a few of the things
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that I think that he might say if he's going
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to stick with his innocence plea, which he most likely
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: is because he's got the LA innocence project, um, supporting him,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and that's because they found a piece of duct tape
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that was never tested, and they want it tested to
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: see if there's someone else's DNA on it. Where this
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: duct tape was found on her body, where it could be,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: could it have been some trash from something else that
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was attached to her? I don't know. But I'm just predicting.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I do not think he's innocent. You know, I'm just
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: saying from what I've gathered, what I think he might
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: say is, yes, I was a Amber Fry wasn't the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: first girl I cheated with. I cheated with other people.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I've heard from people that were at a fertilizing convention
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: with him. And this girl's husband said, I remember from
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago when this news article came up and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he popped up, he goes, I was at a convention
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: with that guy. There's no way that guy was married.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: He was acting like a single guy. So I think
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: he was living a double life. I think you can
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: say I was living a double life and getting away
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: with it. It was feeding my ego. I got him
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: married a little too young. I wasn't totally into having
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: this baby, but I was getting away with it. Once
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: she went missing, I realized I was being seen as
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a suspect. I certainly didn't want this girlfriend of mine,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Amber Fry, to turn on me. So I was continuing
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the flirting in which all these conversations were taped, in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: which he lied and said he was in Paris on
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. So that's how I think he's going
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to explain the Amber Fry thing. But I was a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: really bad husband and I cheated. But in the beginning,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I started keeping the lies. I told my wife, Lacey,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I was golfing because she didn't know about the boat.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: People hide purchases from their spouses. Women hide shoes in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the back of their closet. Men might hide a cheap
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: fishing boat. So when I came home, that's the lie
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I told Lacey's mother because that was the lie Lacey
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: knew that I golfed. Then why did you lie about golfing?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: You actually went on a boat. So I'm just saying,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I think If we get into it and we hear
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a lot about each little lie, how he will explain
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the lie. And then, yeah, maybe I would have taken
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: off to Mexico. You know, I didn't do it. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: knew I was a suspect. I was going to maybe
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: live in Mexico even if I wasn't arrested just to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: get away from the media and everything and just have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a little normalcy. And my parents and my family knew
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: about that. I don't know. That's what I'm guessing he's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: going to say is I was a really bad husband.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I wasn't honest when I should have been about those
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: things because I was trying to still keep my reputation
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: with my family and her family. But that's the truth.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I was a bad husband. I was a cheater. And
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't react the way people thought I should. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I did not kill my wife. That's what I'm guessing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Not saying I'm for it. That's what I'm saying.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer Just.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: The one square before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: You deserve a treat.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: people who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 26:31
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• 26:32
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 26:39
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• 26:40
  Speaker 4: To succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I
• 26:42
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• 26:44
  Speaker 4: happens next? When I came in, he started crying. Everybody
• 26:47
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• 26:49
  Speaker 6: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 26:52
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• 26:53
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• 26:56
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• 26:58
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• 26:59
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• 27:02
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• 27:04
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• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of OC is real juicy. I talked a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: lot about it on my Patreon. You go to heathermcdonald.net.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I did a Get Me Behind Gates as well as
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: my regular Friday show about it. Basically, the juicy scoop
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: is that Tamara is saying that Alexis Polino, who is
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: now dating Shannon Bedore's ex-boyfriend, John Jansen, she said that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: John Jansen has video surveillance from inside and outside his home.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: That will ruin Shannon Bedore's life and ruin her children's life.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say what it is. They're both saying,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Alexis and Tamara are saying, I'm not going to say
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: what it is. But if he chooses to show it, ho,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: get ready, Shannon. Get ready. I'm like, what is in
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: this video? Did she go in the fridge and just
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: go off on a seven-layer bean dip? Did she slip
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and fall? Is she yelling at him? Does she have
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a voodoo doll of a life-size voodoo doll of Andy Cohen?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And she does some horrible thing to it. Does she
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: peg him? I don't know. What is it? What is it?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But I doubt we're ever going to see it. But
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I feel this is a form of sort of blackmail,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit of revenge porn without the actual porn.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It seems really awful and threatening her. And it's not
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: working on Tamara's side. The fans are much more for Shannon.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I think Tamara thought, I'm going to remove myself from
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Shannon after the DUI. I don't want to be associated
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: with the fact that she got in an accident and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a DUI. But attacking her on camera and calling her
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: an alcoholic to her face when she's acting calm and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: being like normal is just not working well for Tamara.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And I think she underestimated how the audience would react
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: because they're very pro-Shannon and not pro-Alexis or Tamara. It
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: seems very inauthentic. And I think Alexis is like almost
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: acting like Shannon being like, I'm sexy Lexi. Who wants
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to have fun with this girl? And Tamra's like, she's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a shit show, which is what she always used to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: call Shannon. Now she's joking with Alexis saying she's a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: shit show. And the audience just isn't buying this authenticity.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They're not thinking it's real and they're not liking it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And they're pro Shannon Bedore in this. All right. Now
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: let's get into the juiciness of– of Countess Luann. Such
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a great interview and so fun. And we do a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: fun show. segment called What Would Lu do? And we
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: get her life advice on some of these issues that
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: we're all facing today on reality TV and in our
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: real lives. Here we go. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I have our favorite cabaret star, singer, model, housewife, mother,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: sexy mama, Countess Luann. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Catfish catcher, don't forget.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. You got the catfish.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, captain of your own. I got the yacht and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: I got the catfish.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: You have your own boat. You are a captain.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: That's true. Captain Lou.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes you are. And you're wearing the Captain Lou hat.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I love that thing. Well, this is my cabaret look,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: but I love that boat. It's just, you know, it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: so much fun. You know, everybody loves it, and it's
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: my freedom. When I get on my boat, I'm free.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I can go out into the ocean. I feel like
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I'm flying, and I love that thing, because it's a
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Boston Whaler, actually.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I've been on it. Don't you remember?
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: You took me on it. I forgot this one.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It is really fun. It's fun, isn't it? And I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: love that you know your way around it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: That's, like, very impressive. And it's fun to watch your
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: clips from the boat. And it is obvious that you
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: really do enjoy it. That is awesome.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: No, I love that thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: So.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did take you on the boat. I forgot
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: about that. I came to pick you up in my
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Mercedes before that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: At Jill's errands.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You have all these shows. You're coming to our part
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of the woods. Then you have all these shows in
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the fall.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's not stopping. Just tell us quickly so people can
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: plan their trips.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, I have a lot of dates on the calendar.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: You can go to CountessLuan.com to find where I'm going
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to be close to you, but You know, the tour
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: is going great. I just got back from London. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: was in London. You know, Tilda Swinton came to my show,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: which was amazing. Wow. Oh, she goes, darling, you do
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: spread so much joy. I wish you would come and
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: relax for a little bit and come to my humble
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: abode in Scotland because I'd love to cook for you
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: and take care of you, darling. And it is a
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: humble abode, but we'd love to have you. And so anyway,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, you're like, oh, my God, I know
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: it's Tilda Swinton, right? So I've never been to Scotland.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: So guess what? I take her up on it. And Darling,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the train departs at 5 p.m. We're going to have
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: crumpets and a little red wine.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So you went to her house.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I went to Scotland. And the Humble Abode is a
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: castle with 300 acres and a castle.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, how fun. It was amazing. How long
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: were you there?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Just for a night because I had to leave to
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: come back here.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So you stayed at her house?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I stayed at her castle.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, how fun.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: It was fantastic. And then she had a friend staying
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: from Sydney who played the bagpipes. And then we had haggis,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: which is their local dish that they love to eat. Um,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: but it was, you know, it's a Scottish like delicacy anyway.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: So it was awesome. And then I played at Dublin. Uh,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I had, you know, five dates in London, all the
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: shows sold out. I mean, it's incredible. Now I'm going
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: to be going to 2025 back for, um, a new
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: set of shows and then to, um, uh, Australia.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Which I'm excited about.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Now, have you spent much time in Australia?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I've never been to Australia.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's one of the few places I've been to twice.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: When I was on Chelsea lately, we did like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: week there. Every other year or something, we went for
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: a week and did a show there with the affiliate station.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And Sydney is just like lovely. And people are gorgeous.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Really? Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's like the best looking people ever.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Is the affiliate HeyYou? Was it HeyYou?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, back then it was just whatever the network was,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: but it was through E. And then we just did,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: we just, that was our whole like promo. We're doing
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: shows from Australia. So we did it like three or
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: four days of shows. And then we had like three
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: days to like go on a yacht and go. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: every night we went to restaurants and it was just like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it's lovely. Yeah. You're going to love it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You're going to love it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: But first, I have a lot of shows coming up
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: in the States.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: So this fall, very busy. And then I'm doing also
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: a holiday show. So I'm working on that right now
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and new music for it. Oh, wait.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the holiday show, I mean, when I think
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: about this one moment that someone reminded me of recently,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: when you did the song, how does it go? The
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: All I Want?
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: No.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: What do I want for Christmas? Just, how does it go?
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: What do I want for Christmas? Just you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And you had your co-stars of The Other Housewives doing it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And I remember Leah McSweeney then had a big issue
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of like, I don't know that I, you know, Mariah
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Carey here, I don't know if I should lend my voice.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, for this song to live in
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: infamy and me not have some credit. How did that
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: ever turn out? Did you then just not use her?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: What happened with that song?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: What do you mean? It's on YouTube.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: No, so it's fine. So she did it. Yeah, of
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: course she did it. It was fine.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: It all worked out perfectly well. But, you know, she
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: had to, you know, play it up big that, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: if you make so much money off this, I mean,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: God knows, you know, in the music business, it's very
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: hard with, you know, iTunes and these different platforms.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Right, how you can decipher. Exactly.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: So I was like, okay, well, then you don't have
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: to be in it. So you can go whenever you want.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: So, well, she changed her mind. And guess what? Now
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: she's in all my holiday shows, and she's totally not
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: around Bravo anymore, which we know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk a little bit about the announcement of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: your new show, which Peacock will be airing. It's you,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Shannon Bedore, Giselle, and Ashley from Potomac. And you guys
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: are now four single women.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Going to the Love Hotel.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Do you know what city you guys are, where you're
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: filming it?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to Cabo.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that'll be nice.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: In September.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: In September. Isn't it hurricane season? Let's hope not.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I've been there in September.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And it's just extremely hot.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I think the least desirable month, from what I recall,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: is October.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Because I've been there in November. I've been there in January.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's always been really nice. I just remember October.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: So I think you'll be okay.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, good.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And then you'll just be hot, which is fine. You
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: look good in a bikini.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: We'll be naked.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You look good in a very good bikini. Linda bikini, yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And so I know you probably can't tell us much,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: but do you know the format or anything?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: You know, not really. I mean, I think it's just,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: you know, looking for love the second time around. In
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: my life, it's the third time around. You know, it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: even in my song, Mary F. Kill, you know, three
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: times the charm, so catch me if you can. So,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: you know, it's all about finding love the second time,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: third time around, how many times it is for the leads,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: because I don't really know them very well, right? Right.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: So we're going to this island. We're being set up,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: you know, with guys. And I've given them my list,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: and the list is long.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: The list of what you want.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And can you tell us what is on your list
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of your ideal man?
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Well, ideally, he is.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Kind.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Generous.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Tall.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: In all ways.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Tall, handsome.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Generous.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: In all ways. With his heart.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: With his heart. With his pocketbook. With his tongue. Generous
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: in all ways.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: You know, luckily I have my own career and make
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: my own money. Now, it would be nice to be
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: regaled in jewels because you know how much I love jewels.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: But, you know, it's not that important to me. For me,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: it's the man who is You know, kind, generous, fun, smart, witty.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Has class. Good manners.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Age.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: You know, I'd like a man, you know, around my age.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: You know, who's got grown kids, we're in the same boat.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: You know, who has time to travel, who has the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: freedom to travel. Because for me, life is about freedom.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, of course, tall, dark, and handsome.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: How about tall, gray, and handsome?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Tall, gray, and handsome is good, too. Just no baldies
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: this time around, darling.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: That didn't work out so well.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: No baldies did not work out so well.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And tall.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And European.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, you like a European. Or a Latin, yeah. Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I like it. Okay, so you gave them their list.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: They have a tall assignment. But regardless, I think it'll
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: be really fun. I think the combination of the four
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: of you guys is fun. And we're missing our Ultimate
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Girls trip.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Well, it's coming next week on Bravo. It's airing August 11th.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Ultimate Girls trip that was on Peacock is now airing
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: on Bravo.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. But we're not, if we've watched it on Peacock,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: there's not a new one that we're going to see. No.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Because they're holding the Moroccan hostage. Right. Because of all
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the legal stuff between Brandy and Caroline. And those girls,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I've talked to Gretchen Rossi, they're bummed.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And the fans are bummed.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, okay, that's fine if that has
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to be put on hold. but why are they not
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: doing another one? There should have been two in the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: can by now. Right. Well, that kind of bums me
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: out because I thought, I loved that the most.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I think they got, I think they had a little
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: burned from this situation.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Right. So they're not so quick to go back, you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that fast.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if, I wonder if in doing this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: show with you guys, if that, if this turns out
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to be a success, this dating thing, that there might
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: be more stuff in like, let's take, housewives and put
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: them in different kinds of shows, not necessarily.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Well, absolutely.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Look at Crappie Lake. Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: They took Sonya Knight to do Crappie Lake.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But Crappie Lake's not coming back.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, no, you know, we don't know for sure.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, we don't know.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: We don't know for sure.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I, you know, everyone loves when you come
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: on the show and you give such great advice and you've,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you know, written a book and everything about etiquette. So
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I have lots of questions. Oh, wait, before I get
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: into that, you ran into your old friend, Bethany, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: her daughter. And it looked like you guys had a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: nice exchange.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: It was a very nice moment. She said to me, well,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I guess life is a cabaret. That's right. And I said, yes,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And which is good.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: And she said, Brenda's a fan. She would like to
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: have a picture with you. And I said, great, of course. And,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: you know, she was like kind of, you know, water
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: under the bridge kind of moment. And it was just cool.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And so that was all good. And then, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: then I asked her to send me the pictures and
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: I never got them because she posted them first.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: And then she has me blocked on social media. I'm like, what?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Did you then say it's time to unblock me now?
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, basically. And she said, well, you are unblocked,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: but it wasn't. I wasn't unblocked, but anyway, I don't
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: know what happened. I'm not good at all the social
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: media stuff myself, but my assistant said, you're still blocked. Anyway,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: and then she does a TikTok, which I love the
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: next day saying, you know how Brynn was the bridge
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: that kind of got us back together. And she said,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: just like I did with my mom. And I was like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I feel a little bit used right here. You know
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying? And then, because she has me blocked,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: first of all, she doesn't share the pictures. And then,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: you know, I felt like, but you know what? It's
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: all good. You know, I said to her, It's all good.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Love and peace. And that's basically what she said to me,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you know? So we did actually get over this hump
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: that we had. Cause I haven't seen her in years.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't seen her in years.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So, so you were just at like a Hamptons house
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: party thing or.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: What were you at? We were at a, we were
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: at a party that was with Candace Bushnell and Nicole Miller,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: one of my buddies. And, and she was there and
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: that's how it happened, you know, very casually. And, But
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I just was bothered by the fact that I felt
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: like a little like she's this is a moment to say,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, we're friends again, et cetera. And then,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you know, in the meantime, she still has me blocked.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. And then she blocked me on TikTok.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Now she's got me blocked on TikTok. But whatever.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is. Yeah, I get it. But I, you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I love seeing old clips and memes that pop up.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, there's no doubt that Bethany's one of the
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: funniest people I know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: She's quick.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: We had some epic fights. I mean, I've had, really,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: it's been a great ride with her because, you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: we go toe-to-toe. I mean, it's like a real-life feud,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: the way we were living our lives on TV. You
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: know what I mean?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There was the one that I'm thinking about is, I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: think you're at Dorinda's, maybe one of the first times
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: you're at Dorinda's, and I don't know what she's saying
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to you, but look over and you're like, What's going
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: on with you? Are you getting laid or what? Are
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: you getting laid right now?
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Well, she walks in with the same haircut. Remember? And
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, somebody got the haircut. It kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: of looks like mine, doesn't it? Oh, that started her engines.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I know how to start her engines. Yeah. So then
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: she comes after me, you know, you fuck this guy,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: you fuck that guy. I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: It's not even true. It's like making shit up. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: that's when I went in. And she's looking at me
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: with her face like so angry, and I was like,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you need to get laid. I mean, what's going on?
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: And then she says, this guy and that guy, whatever
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: she was saying, which wasn't true. And I go, am
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: I the Kim Cattrall of the family or what? So
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: with her, you have to have a lot of humor.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Kim Cattrall, so Candice Bushnell, for people
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to remind them, she is the one who wrote the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: original book, Sex and the City, which then the show
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: was based off of. Exactly. And so she was essentially
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the Carrie... of the show and wrote about herself and
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: her friends and all that. And, you know, I was
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: on the plane recently and I went and I watched
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the first season, which I don't even know if I'd
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: seen the whole first season.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Me too. I did the same thing. Oh my God.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It was so good. Like, and it was different. Like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: were they talking to camera and all this kind of stuff?
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: And I remember when I interviewed Dorinda the first time,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: people said, were writing me. I said, Oh, I have Dorinda.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to interview. And they said, Ask her about
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the episode that we believe that it was emulated after
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: her in Sex and the City, which there was a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: scene where Carrie, Candace, whatever, says, I have a friend. And,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: you know, she was living in London. She was selling pashminas.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And she had this husband that in the scene, Carrie
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: witnessed the husband being really mean. And then she was like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to leave him. I'm going to leave him.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And then in the end, she didn't. And it was
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: sort of like a weird lesson. I thought it was
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: great because it's like when your girlfriend sees something bad
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: or you share too much with your girlfriend about your
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: asshole husband, but then you end up staying with the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: asshole husband. Then it's like, where did that leave the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: character of Carrie? And the girl playing the role was
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: a New Yorker, but she was brunette. And so anyway,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I remember I asked Dorinda about that, and she was like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, I had
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: pashminas and da-da-da-da, and I sold pashminas, but everybody thought
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I was Princess Diana. I'm like, no, this was... I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: always wondered. I always wondered if I saw Candace Bushnell.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I would ask. Did she know Dorinda? Do
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: you know if she knew Dorinda back in the day?
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, that I don't know. I don't think so.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: How did you meet her?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Candace socially, I think through probably, I want to say...
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Anne Hurst, maybe Nicole Miller.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: You've known Candace for quite a while.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: I've known Candace for quite a while, and socially, through
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: my socialite friends, basically, from the mountains. You know, like
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Anne Hurst and, you know, Nicole Miller.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And did she ever, like, I read there was, like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a Mr. Big. Did she ever marry him, or is
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: she still living just her fabulous life? She looks so young.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Doesn't she look great?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's so cute. And she's adorable. Blonde hair, beautiful. Yeah,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: she's gorgeous.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: She never married. But there is a real Mr. Big.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: And apparently he was the editor of Vogue or something
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Do you ever, do you watch the new version and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: just like that at all?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I have seen it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: I have seen it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It's very different, but I can't stop watching it. I'll
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: never stop watching it. It's so good. I love it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: It's so good. Again, that stems all from Candice Bushnell.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Okay, so I have some things that I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: came up with. What would Lou do? I know you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: do a similar thing in your show.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I do exactly that. What would Lou do?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what it is?
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, good.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't think I created such an iconic thing. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: figured I heard it somewhere. But I have my own
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: kind of scenarios for you that I created. Okay, here's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a good one. And some of these are based on
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: things that are actually kind of have happened in other
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: franchises of housewives, real lives, and some are just actual
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: real life things. Your girlfriend's ex-boyfriend that you never liked
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: because she would call you late at night and tell
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you all the awful things that he said and did.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: You've shared with your other friends, I don't like him
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: for her. They break up. Now, someone else in your
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: friend group starts to date that same guy and she
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: brings him around And he's quite delightful. You actually enjoy him.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: They seem really into each other and you're like, maybe
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: you bring him out with your boyfriend and the four
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of you have a great time. But she's like, I
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: can't believe you're socializing with my ex-boyfriend and this girl
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: when you know all these awful things that I told
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you about him. So have you ever been in that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: situation and what would you do?
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: God, no. I mean, I can't imagine being with a
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: man that would It didn't work out, and then he
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: starts dating one of my friends. I can't imagine that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: But you're the friend. I'm saying it was your friend's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: ex-boyfriend that's now dating another girl in your circle, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: you're socializing with them.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Are you talking about the housewives of OC?
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Yes, I am.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: How do you know you knew the story? Shanna Bedore.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So Shanna Bedore dated John Jansen. Yes. And he didn't
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: come off great to the audience or anybody because she
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: shared stuff.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: That he was not nice to her.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. And then, but what we saw of him at
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: parties and stuff, very little.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: One time she was upset and it seemed like he
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: was defending her and therefore disparaging one of the other
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: women because she thought the woman was mean to her.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Now he's with Alexis Bellino. And they're very happy and
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: she's like, you're going to love him. And I think
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Shannon feels quite betrayed that anybody would engage in hanging
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: out with him. But then if he... Were they sold...
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The wrong impression or, like, how do you navigate? Because
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: you have to be in this circle.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Now you have to navigate.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You have to be in this circle. Mm-hmm. Do you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: just– are you just polite and, like, keep your distance.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Or– You know, for me, what are you going to do?
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, otherwise you look crazy. So be polite, keep
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: your distance, but never forget.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Right. Right?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, who would do that?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Who would do that? I mean, it's just so– for
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: me– Very, very disturbing, let's say that. And if I
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: was interested in the guy, do you think I'd bring
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: him on the TV show? I'd hide him in my closet.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Chain him to the bed or something. You can't leave.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Whatever his name is, you know.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: John Jansen. But I think that there is no way
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: not being on the show again because she wants to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: be on the show. But I also feel like the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: reason he's coming on the show is to sort of–
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: changed the perception that was given about him previously. So
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I sort of can't blame him for that. I understand
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: that part, okay.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: As you go deeper into it, you see it's a
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: bigger story than that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: He's trying to change the reputation he's been given.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: And show that he is kind of a good guy,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: but it's a big chance to take, isn't it?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Being a housewife, and you were married when we met you,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: you guys got divorced, then what The next very significant
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: relationship was, I forgot his name.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: Jacques.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Jacques. And, you know, he was featured for a couple seasons.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: How long were you guys together?
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Four years.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Four years.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Jacques was great. You know, some guys are better on
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: TV than others, right?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And did he ever have any, how did you say
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: when you met him? When you met him, did he
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: know you were Luann from Real Housewives? No.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I told him that I was doing a show together.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: It was, oh my God, how did I say it?
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: He still laughs about it. A docu, a docu-series. That's
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: what I called it. So I'm doing a docu-series.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: He goes, oh, okay.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Then he found out it was a house. But Jacques,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: you see, is comfortable in his own skin. Right? Comfortable
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: in who he is. He's fun. He's handsome. Right? And
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: he's like, whatever makes you happy. If you want me
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: to come with you, I, you know, so he was
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: super easy. Uh-huh. You know, I didn't have that same
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: luck with some people on the show.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: But Jacques was great. And, you know, even Alex was
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: on the show in the very beginning when I started Housewives,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: you know, the count.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I also wonder, though, when Jacques was on, social media
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: was not what it was today.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: No, exactly.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And I think he could go on and have fun.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Now if you bring a guy on, these people are
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: going to know exactly who he is, who the ex-wife is,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: what he did, what he did in 1992. That's right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Who he brought to prom, you know, and go after
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: everything about it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: All the skeletons come out, you know. I always wonder
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: about people that do shows like this. Like if you
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: have this kind of history and skills, why would you
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: want to put yourself out there? And you know, I.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Think that's why they have trouble finding, you know, kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: of the fabulous people that they found like you guys
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: back then that really were kind of these society ladies with,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you know, money and everything. I think it's hard to
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: find and real friends. Yeah. And with Jacques, I remember
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: that there was a time that you were like in
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the show. I, um, I'm going to try to get pregnant.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: You were like in your mid-40s.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Early 40s.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And so you're like, I'm going to try. So were you?
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, believe me, we tried a lot.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: So you were excited to have another baby such a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: big difference from your older two kids?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, the kids probably at that time
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: were 8 and 10. I mean, that's so unusual that
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to get pregnant.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought they were older than that at that time.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I got divorced in 96.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, what am I saying, 96? 96. 2006. No, 2009.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. 2009.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: So, yeah. That's how many years ago already? 2009.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: That would have been 15.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: 15 years ago. Yeah. Exactly. So, the kids are 27
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: and 29. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, they were like 10 and 12. Yeah. So,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't be... It's not that unusual.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: But it just never happened. It wasn't meant to be.
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: It's interesting how life takes care of itself.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: And.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Because I'd still have.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And you'd be like going to a PTA meeting right
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: now and.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, not hanging out in Scotland. Not doing cabaret
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: shows with Tilda Swinton.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, so I always think, yeah, that's kind
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of interesting. And like I had lunch with Ramona and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: now she's in this, you know, serious relationship. And she said,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: you know, she was, I like to do my Ramona,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: so I want to do my Ramona for her. She said,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: You know what?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: At first I was really upset that they got rid
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: of all of us for these girls that a lot
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: of people don't think are that interesting. But then I
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what? Thank God. Because now I
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: have this great guy. We're either in Palm Beach or
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the Hamptons. We have beautiful homes. We have beautiful friends.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: We're always going off. And I'm like, and I really did.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like so happy for her that it worked out
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Because she said, I couldn't really date anyone good every time.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I'd be set up or they'd be interested and then
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: they'd Google me. They'd be like. And so actually on
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the first date with this guy, he picked a different
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: place that was like kind of happening, lovely. And then
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: she said, oh, I didn't want to go there because
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I was afraid someone would see me and they'd approach me.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: And then he'd be like, wait, what the fuck is this, right?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: So then she said, she goes, I said to him,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I said. you know what, I think it's a really
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: great suggestion. But I'd like to talk to you more,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: so I'm going to pick this little quieter place. And then,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and now they're off and running, and I
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: think it's great. Did you see her post, though, recently,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: what she said about New Jersey?
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. It's so Ramona. It's so Ramona.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And it's like, she just doesn't change.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: No one should expect her to change.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Exactly. It is what it is.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. So for people that don't know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: she did a post, and she looks cute. And she's like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do it in her voice.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: You know what? You're going to be so surprised I
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: really stepped out of my box. Am I in Saint-Tropez? No.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Am I in Mykonos? No. Am I in the Hamptons?
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: No.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'm actually in New Jersey and it's actually really nice.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: All the New Jersey people are like, Melissa Gorgas, thanks
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: a lot. I love that everyone has a sense of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: humor about it though. No one's going to get mad
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: at her because it's her.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: I know. It's just so her and Jersey, there's some
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: great parts of Jersey.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: There's all over the place. Listen, I grew up in Connecticut.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: There's crappy parts of Connecticut, that's for sure. I remember
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: going to Bridgeport. I mean, I love Connecticut, but it
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: ain't Greenwich.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's just so funny.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: It's just so funny because, you know, I think that
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: she doesn't really put a lot of pre-planning into what
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: comes out of her mouth.
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: You see.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: No.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Obviously.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: No. Obviously. She puts her foot in it all the time.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: But you guys are good.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes. I just had Ramona over at the house.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I had a party at my house.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I saw a photo of that, and
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you guys looked really cute. Okay, so here's another one. Now,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: this is a personal friend of mine, okay? So she is,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I think she's about 39, okay? And she's been dating.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: She's never married, no kids. And she's been dating this guy.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: He's a professional photographer. Divorced.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Wait, married, no kids.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: She's never been married, no kids.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, never been married, no kids.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: She's dating a guy who's, I think he's probably like
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: maybe 10 years older than she. Okay.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: And divorced. How old is she?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Like 39.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: 39.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: He's divorced. Daughter's probably like, you know, maybe 16, one kid.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: So she's going to be off soon.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: They met a little before COVID. Then, you know, kind
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: of fell in love during COVID. Then it was back
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and forth and all this. And this whole time that
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I've known her, broke up, he'd always come around. I'd
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: go and there'd be flowers at her house and sniffing around,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: sniffing around. In the meantime, she tried to date what,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: she thought could be her type. So like a very,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of boring, but really like good hearted,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: spiritual Christian guy. And that wasn't it. Then this guy,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: that's just the nicest one in the world, not sexually attracted.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: And she would tell me and I'd be like, you're
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: not into him. You're not into him. So now the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: guys come back and I come back from the trip
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's, what's been going on? And she's like,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so you, you're with him. And she's like, yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And I, I am like, I say, go for it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I say, you know, I think he's now realizing you
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: are the one. And so now here it is. He
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: wants her to move in. Okay. But she's not going
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: to give up her place, which I think is good
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: because she owns her place. I said, don't give up
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the place. And then, but does I, how does she say,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: or do you think she should say, I would like
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: more of a commitment, like a ring? like without maybe
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: saying I want a ring maybe I need a symbol
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that this is that this is going forward and you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: see us spending the rest of our lives together I
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: don't know in the meantime they are you know having
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: sex without protection and we'll see what happens because she's
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: you know would like to have at least one child
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: right what do you say to someone like that though
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: to kind of get what you want without being saying
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: it without being the ultimate of them looking weird and manipulative.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Well you know I think he doesn't live with.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Her, right?
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Or she doesn't live with him.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: No, but she did say, I don't like this house.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have a yard for my dog. And then
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: he did go.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And then he found another house.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: You're kidding.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And she does like the house.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was a pretty big thing.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: That's a big, bold move, right?
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: To another house.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so she does like the house and the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: house is appropriate and great for like her dog and
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: having a yard and it's in the right area.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I think at this point in life, you have to
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: be honest with people.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know I want children. You know that I
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: adore you. Where are we going with this? I think
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: you just have to be honest. Like, this is what
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: I want.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: You know, is this what you want? Do you want
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: the same thing? You know, he's never been married. Oh no,
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: he's been married.
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: So it's important for me because I want to have
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: a family and I don't want to waste my time.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I would go straight in.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I would go straight in and go, You know, look,
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you're great. You know, I love you.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know what her status is. She really loves
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: the guy or she's just.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: No, I think.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: It's an opportunity for her to have a baby and
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: find a man. So it's two different things.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I think she has loved him all these years. But
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: with the going back and forth.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: How long is this courting back?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It's been going on for like four years. So I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: think that going back and forth.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: You know, and then just being that woman.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Well, she doesn't feel safe.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: She doesn't feel sad because she feels safe.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: So she has to feel safe.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: But nobody else that she's dated she's liked.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Right. So he has to make her feel safe.
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: So this is what I need, right? This is what
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I need from you. I mean, I'm not saying put
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: a ring on it. I'm saying, you know, I love
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: you or whatever it is that she loves. She loves
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: the guy or not. And, you know, I'd like to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: have children. And if you're not into this, what I'm
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: imagining for myself, I need to know.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: So I can move on, you know?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: It's very simple, really. Right?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I think she should, and I think she should go
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: I think she should go for it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Listen. I think if someone's coming around that many years,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad thing that it didn't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: work off the bat. I don't think it's bad that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: someone comes back around.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: It happens all the time.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: It happens all the time.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: You know, old friends that were never lovers, they become lovers,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: They're partners, you know?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: And it's about trust. Like, I need to trust that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: this is, you know, this is where we're heading.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: If we're not heading there, I need to know so
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I can head elsewhere.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: And that will prompt him to respond in the way
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: that she wants.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Which is, well, yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: What do you want? Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. This is what I want.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's my answer. I like it. Now, this has
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: probably happened to you. What do you do when you
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: think you found a little fun boy toy?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Who wants, he's the one who wants more. And you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if he can graduate to being a man friend,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: a real boyfriend. How has that happened? I'm sure it's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: happened to you where you find some young hot guy
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: and it's a fun kind of casual thing and then
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: he wants to make it more.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: It hasn't happened to me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: I usually get bored.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: So you're the one that dumps it before?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. If I think he's not the man that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I want. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. That I think he could be the man. Okay,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: then how do you blow someone off? How do you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: break it off with someone? Do you ghost them? Do
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: you have an official conversation? Do you just say, I'm busy,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I'm busy, and then they get the hint?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: You know, it happened to me with a guy, and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: he was just not right for me. I mean, super attractive,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: good looking, whatever, but I know he's a player. So,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't want a player. I really don't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: want somebody who's solid, who I know is going to be.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: You got my back and who I can count on,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: who I can trust, who's loyal. So, you know, then
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I said, you know what? This is not working for
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: me kind of thing, basically, is what I said and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: and moved on. Yeah, I'm all about right now where
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: I'm at in my life is all the honesty living
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: with my heart. When you do with your heart, you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: can never go wrong. The minute you start thinking. So
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: and I talk about this in the show, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: In our guts, we have neurons. There's more neurons in
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: our gut than in our head. Right? So it's called
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: gut instinct for a reason.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I never even thought of that.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Your gut tells you what to do. And guess what happens?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: We go up to here, to the line and go, well,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: you know this and you know that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: And maybe he's going to do this and maybe he's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: going to marry me. You know, your gut knows. And
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I know that because it's happened to me. I've had the,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: you know, Runaway bride moments for sure.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: For sure. And so now I do everything with my heart.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: I don't do anything I don't want to do, and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: I do the things that I love to do.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of the gut, obviously one of the biggest
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: moments in your life that was captured on film was
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: when you were on the trip.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: And– Bethany reveals that she has gotten a photo of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: your then-fiancé canoodling, it appears, at a bar back in
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: New York while you guys are on your trip. And,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you know, please don't say it's about Tom. And what,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: you know, what were you feeling at that moment? And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: in retrospect, what would you have done differently?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, in retrospect, I would not have married him,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: But love is blind.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: And so what did you tell yourself about that? That
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a big deal?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: You know that story. You know who took the picture, right?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I had Caroline Radswell. I know. You're
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: the one.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she came out and said it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: And she said it was Michael Cohen.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Remind your audience.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Michael Cohen, the attorney, was friends with Bethany's boyfriend. Girlfriend. No,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I thought. No, but he was also friends with her
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: boyfriend who passed.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, poor guy.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: He told... Carol that many years later that he got
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: a message from that guy what was his name the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: guy that passed him sorry I don't know Dennis he
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: got a message from Dennis saying hey can you go
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: downstairs because he lived above or lived right next door
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: to the regency and take a photo but how but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: the question I had was so then who initially heard
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: that that was going like Was it set up?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody knew except for me. So Bethany knew.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: The crew, production knew. The housewives knew. I was the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: last to find out.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: So what... Okay, so now walk me through what really happened.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we were celebrating on the yacht. Remember,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: we had the yacht. I'm so happy and et cetera.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: And then we go to Miami because Bethany's in Miami
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: and we're all going to Miami, et cetera.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: And....
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: To celebrate my engagement, basically. And that's when, you know,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: they kind of know what's happening, and I don't, that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: they have this picture.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: But how?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: She tells the others, but nobody tells me. And then
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: she just, you know, whips out her skinny girl margarita mix. Shaking. Shaking.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Drinking it. Crocodile tears coming down. I hate to do it. Well, no,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: you're not right. Don't tell me it's about Tom, and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: of course it was about Tom. And, you know, the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: story goes on from there. But the person who took
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: the picture was Michael Cohen for Bethany, basically.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: But my question is, did you ever find out how
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Bethany and her boyfriend at the time got word that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: he was there and canoodling?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Because they were friendly with a girl that knows the girl,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: which was an ex-girlfriend.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: So they were orchestrated. This was all orchestrated. If Tom
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: ever goes, because they knew that he was seeing this girl.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: They knew he was seeing this girl on the side,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: which is an ex-girlfriend.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: And her bestie is friends with Bethany and Dennis.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: And said, oh my, so-and-so's going out.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: If Tom makes another date with her, you tell us.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: So they got a call that he's going there that
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: night at 6 o'clock or 7 o'clock, whatever it was
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: at the Regency. And that's when Michael Cohen comes in.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's one. This is also from the OC
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: happening currently, which is pretty juicy season.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: There's this girl, Gina. She's been on a few years.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: And she has three younger kids. OC Gina, what's her
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: last name? Kirshen something. Anyway, she's a blonde realtor. Okay,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: so now she's a realtor. So when we meet her,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: she has a husband named... Right off the bat, he's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: having an affair. They get divorced. And it's not a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: good divorce and all this stuff. And she gets a DUI.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: And she becomes sober. And she gets her real estate license.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: And she gets this boyfriend. And she's showing it all.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: She doesn't have a lot of money. She's not getting
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of money from the husband. So she's in
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: this small house with her three kids. And now her
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: boyfriend is also going through divorce and his three kids.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: And now she is saying on the show, I am
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: doing better and I want to get my own house
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: because I think it's unfair that my three kids are
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: having to share with these other three kids. And I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: feel bad about it. I thought it was such an
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: honest moment.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Is it her house and not his or what?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It's very equal. It's like, no, they got a house together.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: I see. So it's not her house or his house.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: But why wouldn't they get a bigger house?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I think she can afford a bigger house and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to bring the three other kids.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: I see.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Because she's just like thinking about her own kids. And
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was a really honest thing because
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't make her a bad person. They're
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: not married, but it doesn't make her a bad stepmother.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: It makes her just go, you know, my kids are
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: getting bigger. Yeah. They need privacy. When it first started,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: they had three bunk beds in each room and they
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: kind of mix the kids based on age or sex
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: or whatever. These three kids are together. And even if
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: they're getting along and like love each other, I could
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: see her just being like, you know. let me do
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: my own thing. And then he was like, well, maybe
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: we could still date. Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's wise. Yeah. It's about protecting yourself. And,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: you know, she just got divorced or just got divorced.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Why would you jump into another, you know, relationship? And
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: also with a man who's trying to get a divorce himself.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: And having all that negativity coming around.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: I get that you can like somebody like that. Of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: course you can because there's attraction and all these things,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: of course. But you stay in your house and I'll
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: stay in mine. And we see each other until we
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: figure this out, right? I mean it seems a little fast.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I also think advice to somebody too is, you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: you're not married. And you do have these kids. Right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: So unless you are getting a financial gain by moving
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: into your rich boyfriend's giant house. Right. And it's like
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: a less of a burden for you.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Then you should definitely live on your own because it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: also gives you that little bit of a freedom in
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: case something else comes along. Not that you're to cheat
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: on your boyfriend, but like maybe you'll meet somebody and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: you'll be like, you know what? I don't know that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: this is such a strong relationship. I want to go here.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like she's at that age.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: That she could meet somebody really fabulous if she was single.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: If she were alone and had the opportunity. But now
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: she's married again. Okay. Whether you're married on paper, you're
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: still married because now you're bound together in this house
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: living together.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: That's too small.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: It's a terrible idea. I think you've got to keep
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: your freedom. And also, you're putting your kids around. People
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: that you don't know, I mean, do you know if
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: they're going to be there for the long run? Right.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: Then they love somebody and a sister or a brother now,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: a step, that doesn't pan out. People have to be
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: more careful than that, you know?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: And be more protective of their own families, especially when,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: you know, everybody's going through a divorce and a tough,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: tumultuous kind of time. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a famous saying that says, when in doubt, duck.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: That means don't do anything until you figure it out,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: which is change places, change homes, change relationships. You know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: when you're doubtful, you just have to duck and think
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: and not react. People react so quickly because they react
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: from emotions instead of going, okay, what is the best
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: thing for me and my children? You know what I mean?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: It becomes more about the relationship and, you know, and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: I get it, but, you know, live separately.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I saw this and.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Unless you're moving into a... a fabulous house with staff.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Unless it's really elevating your life. And it will be
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: a benefit to your kids. You and I always agree
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: on these things. Yeah. Now, there's lots of weird wedding
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: things happening with the younger generation. And there was an
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: article in People saying that this came out through social
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: media that someone got a non-invite. They got a letter saying.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: You were not invited.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: We're getting married. We're getting married. I love it. In
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: six weeks or whatever.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: And you're not invited.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a small amount of people and you're not invited,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: but you'll be in our thoughts or something. And it
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, is this just a hint to get.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Rid of friends?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: Or friend groups. It's a great way to get rid
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: of friends you don't want. Right.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: And just to be like, or I mean, I think.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: You get married at the smaller thing. You keep it.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: But I guess this is where I think it is.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I think if they were like, look, it's going to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: be small with social media and with people talking, they
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: might hear that it's happening and be really offended that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: they weren't invited.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: So is there a way? I think you don't send
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: out a card. I think you personally call someone and say,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: it's three hours away. We're doing it small. Like, I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: don't know. What do you do in a situation like that?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: I invite the people that I want, and the rest,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: you know what? You just can't have everybody all the time.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to explain yourself.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Of course not.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Of course not, unless they're really dear to you, and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: you say, look, there's only so much room for the family.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: So unless they're really dear to you, you don't have
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: to explain why you can't have them. I think people
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: understand enough, at least the people I want to know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: that if you can't invite them, there's a reason. It's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: not personal. Here we go again about emotions being, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: taking it personal. It's not personal.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: When you had your mistake wedding, you didn't invite.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: I couldn't invite everybody.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: But you didn't invite the cast members. Or did you
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: invite any of them, any of the other housewives?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: Who did I invite? Kelly was there because Kelly and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: I were tight then. I think I invited, Dorinda was
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: my bridesmaid.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So she came, yeah.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dorinda was one of my bridesmaids. Oh, okay. Kelly
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: was there. Remember when at the time we weren't that tight?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Jill was there.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. Oh, okay.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: I invited them to my wedding for sure.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just didn't invite the people that you
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: thought might have been negative chatter.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want the negative energy at the time. Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: I never want negative energy.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: No, you don't. And you know where you're never going
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: to have a negative energy? At the Luann show.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: I just want to spread joy doing cabaret. That's all
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: At the cabaret shows. Yeah. So everybody go to Luann Shaw.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: You guys, you know, I've been a bunch of times.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: There is not a more fun evening. It really is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: so fun. Get your girls, get your crew, have fun.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: The songs are great. The stories are great. The energy
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: is so fun. Yeah. You know, I'd have a great time.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: It's a pop culture experience.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: She has all this visual stuff, you.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Know, things. And then I go to a story and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: they go to the song. I mean, I have so
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: much fun creatively with the show.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: And the outfits. Giovanni.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Giovanni.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: They're still Giovanni.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Still Giovanni. So, you know, it's pop culture meets cabaret
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: meets comedy meets a fashion show, really. And it's a party.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: And you are invited to that party. You know what
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: I'm saying?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: And people love it because, you know, like I always say,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: you know, you come in, you don't know what to expect.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: And you're like, whoa. I mean, this is a really
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: great show. Anyway, I work hard at it. I love it.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Mary F. Kill. My new song just got remixed by
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Tracy Young, who won a Grammy with Madonna. So super exciting. And,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: you know, got a lot going on, a lot of
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: dates coming up. And, you know, this dating show, dates
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: and dating shows. That's what's happening for me right now.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: And I actually manifested this year that I'm going to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: find the next love in my life. And I actually
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: put it in the song. They say, three times the charm.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: So catch me if you can.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. That's right. Ask.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: And check out the videos on YouTube.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Ask and receive. So put it out there, everybody.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: And enjoy. Thank you so much. You're always so fun.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: Because life is a cabaret. You write it yourself. Exactly.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: That's right. Everyone said, she's talking about cabaret. Oh, and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: You write your story. Nobody's going to write it for you.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: You know, you were the first one that got so
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: much shit. And I remember right when it happened, I said,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I do that. When you went off and and took
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: a photo in front of your poster.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Now J-Lo's doing it. I just saw J-Lo go to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: the grocery store in the Hamptons with her bike to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: go visit her poster for her Delano drinks.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't even know.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think it was Hugh Jackman or
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: somebody went and did a photo in front of their
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: poster on Sunset.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: You see, I started to try. I know. And, you know,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: and guess what? I'm not bringing a truffle fries either
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: for it. That was a Jackie Gleason theater. It's an
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: epic theater in Miami.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Everybody should do it.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: They were a little jealous. Oh, yeah. You just want
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: to take a swim in the beach.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: Exactly. I just wanted to go swim in my bikini.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Thanks, girl. You're the best.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Heather.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:16:52
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