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Teen Girl Carly Gregg 'Shoots Mom in Face,' Convicted, Asks For New Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A teen girl, Curly Gregg
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Speaker 1: reportedly shoots mommy in the face and then texts her
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Speaker 1: friends to come see a dead body. In the last days,
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Speaker 1: she hopes to convince a judge she deserves a new trial.
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Speaker 1: With me here in the studio, Jackie Howard, Jackie, what
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Speaker 1: can you tell me?
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Speaker 2: Nancy? Convicted teen murderer Carly Gregg's motion for a new
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Speaker 2: trial went before a Mississippi judge.
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Speaker 1: Her attorney.
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Speaker 2: Based on evidence revealed by her biological father. In an
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Speaker 2: interview to news station w LBT. Kevin Gregg said that
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Speaker 2: his daughter suffered auditory hallucinations as a child and was
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Speaker 2: enrolled in equan therapy. The attorneys claimed that information from
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Speaker 2: that interview would have led to a different decision by
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Speaker 2: the jury.
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Speaker 1: A do over, Yes, a do over, but what were
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Speaker 1: the facts? A trial? Listen?
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Speaker 3: Okay, where is your where's your? Why on the boardroom?
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Speaker 3: She's on the floor in your stepdaughter's room. What do
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Speaker 3: I saying? Actually, Ashley, smile.
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Speaker 1: You?
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Speaker 4: Okay?
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Speaker 3: Can you go out? You can go outside the house
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Speaker 3: and think coming.
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Speaker 1: That gut wrenching nine to one one call of Mommy's
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Speaker 1: husband finding her in the floor, shot in the face.
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Speaker 1: No matter how many times I listen to a nine
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Speaker 1: one one call, when I hear the person calling in it,
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Speaker 1: it's almost disabling for the moment to hear that raw
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Speaker 1: pain in their voice. What more can we learn? Listen?
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Speaker 1: That's mom, that's mom, Yeah, under fail.
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Speaker 3: Mom and dad us got okay Dad, Dad's got thrown
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Speaker 3: on the shoulder. He's already in the abus.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So join me in all star panel that it
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Speaker 1: makes sense of what we know right now. Lauren Colin,
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Speaker 1: first to you, co host Primetime Crime on YouTube. Lauren,
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Speaker 1: who found Mommy?
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Speaker 5: He Smiley found his wife, Ashley Smiley, and that is
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Speaker 5: Carly Gregg's stepfather.
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Speaker 1: So the stepfather finds her. But yet, when we are
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Speaker 1: listening to the ranking County sheriffs on their body cam footage,
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Speaker 1: one deputy says that mom, and this number two says
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Speaker 1: this mom yeah, and then he goes no, she Mom
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Speaker 1: and dad both got it. Mom and dad both got
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Speaker 1: what got hit? Explain Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 5: So when he Smiley walked into his house, he was
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Speaker 5: met by Carly greg who attempted to shoot him, got
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Speaker 5: him in the shoulder as he fought her off.
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Speaker 1: So immediately on the scene they realize what they think
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Speaker 1: has happened. Straight out to Catherine White and Newman, ranking
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Speaker 1: County assistant district attorney before that, public defender, private practice
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Speaker 1: in a wide variety of cases. Catherine, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You know, Catherine, when you hear defense
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Speaker 1: attorneys say there's no playbook for Green, the husband's showing
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Speaker 1: no emotion because he's in so much shock. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that nine one one call, Catherine.
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Speaker 6: I did, Nancy, That nine one one call is one
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Speaker 6: of the most chilling that I've heard on any type
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Speaker 6: of case. He was in sheer shock and terror. We
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Speaker 6: believe that he was certainly speaking the truth at that moment.
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Speaker 1: You know, that really hit the nail on the head,
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Speaker 1: Katherine White Newman, speaking the truth regardless of emotion, lack
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Speaker 1: of emotion, demeanor response if you can determine if they're
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Speaker 1: telling the truth. And of course we're not lie detectors,
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Speaker 1: but when I hear a nine one one call like that,
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Speaker 1: it sounds genuine to me. Now think about it, Catherine
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Speaker 1: White Newman. I'm sure you're familiar with the Alex Murdoch
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Speaker 1: double murder trial in South Carolina where he was kind
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Speaker 1: of like eh, and then it would go away, and
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Speaker 1: then he goes again. It was kind of an intermittent
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Speaker 1: kind of a whine. That's not what we're hearing right here,
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Speaker 1: is it, Catherine, No, it's not.
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Speaker 6: In fact, at the beginning of the call, the nine
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Speaker 6: one one dispatcher actually thought he was speaking to a woman,
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Speaker 6: and Heath's voice was so high pitched because of the
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Speaker 6: terror that he was in that they again thought he
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Speaker 6: was a woman, and it wasn't until he gave them
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Speaker 6: his name that they realized they were talking to a man.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Waite Newman has actually worked on this case too.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Camp joining us a veteran criminal defense attorney and
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Speaker 1: lead lawyer in the case for Carly Gregg and FYI,
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Speaker 1: just so you know, former JAG military attorney. Guys, he's
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Speaker 1: at Camp Law Firm dot com. Kevin Camp question, how
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Speaker 1: do you somehow what do you do you say to
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Speaker 1: the jury? Look here, not here? How do you do
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Speaker 1: that when that nine one one call is being played
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Speaker 1: in front of the jury. Do you just sit there
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Speaker 1: and pretend like you don't hear it? Do you pull
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Speaker 1: an OJ and act like you're taking notes out when
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Speaker 1: OJ's really writing, I did it, y'all. Okay, So what
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Speaker 1: do you do when you're hearing that nine to one
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Speaker 1: one call?
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Speaker 7: At that point, you're just like what you said, You're
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Speaker 7: you're trying to do something to deflect it away from
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Speaker 7: your client and to move on from those quickly as
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Speaker 7: you possibly can. Sometimes you you have the situation where
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Speaker 7: you know, look at the monkey, you look at the
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Speaker 7: silly monkey over here, and you know, and get whatever,
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Speaker 7: whatever the issue is, you want to get off of
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Speaker 7: that subject just as fast as you can.
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Speaker 5: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And of course, from what I can understand about
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Speaker 1: your trial record, Kevin Camp, you have certainly schooled your
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Speaker 1: client how to behave in court. Here's a little example.
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Speaker 1: I was trying a murder case. When I came into court,
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Speaker 1: I had not seen it at the arraignment calendar or
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Speaker 1: any of the motions calendars. And I looked. But in
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Speaker 1: a murder case, the defendant had shaved into the back
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Speaker 1: of his head hit man number one. You know how
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Speaker 1: many times I went to the other side of the courtroom,
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Speaker 1: so you'd have to turn around and look that way
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Speaker 1: so the jury could see the back of his head. Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously his lawyer did not school him not to put
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Speaker 1: that on the back of his head. Bottom line, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you have your client schooled how to behave when
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Speaker 1: damning evidence is pouring from the witness stand.
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Speaker 4: Listen, fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Did a fourteen year old girl shoot her mom dead,
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Speaker 1: shoot her stepfather? And if so, why they did everything
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Speaker 1: possible to show her she's loved? And now I understand
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Speaker 1: why Catherine White Newman is saying they thought they were
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Speaker 1: speaking to a woman, because Smiley, the stepfather, is in
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Speaker 1: so much pain and shock from being shot and seeing
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Speaker 1: his wife dead. His voice has gone into a whole
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Speaker 1: another octave and he says, she's fourteen. She ran away.
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Speaker 1: I want to show you some video that we have obtained.
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Speaker 1: That's Carly Gregg and her home. And from a trained eye,
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Speaker 1: I immediately notice everything's spotless. There. She walks out of
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Speaker 1: the view from the Okay, walking back across the den,
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Speaker 1: nothing in her hands. There are the dogs following her around,
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Speaker 1: everything as normal. I see her backpack. Oh, she's coming
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Speaker 1: around the corner with something behind her back. Oh what
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Speaker 1: could it be? Okay, not just one, but I think
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Speaker 1: three gunshots. There's free meditation right there. That's plenty of
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Speaker 1: time to form intent to kill here. She comes back,
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Speaker 1: guns still behind her back and go straight to her phone.
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Speaker 1: Why not, mommy's dead and she's texting. I wonder if
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Speaker 1: that's when she texts, Hey, guys, you want to see
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Speaker 1: a dead body, Come on over now, wait for it,
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Speaker 1: Wait for it? Texting texting Catherine White? Name? Did she
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Speaker 1: actually break out into song?
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Speaker 6: She did, Nancy. She absolutely started homing at some point.
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Speaker 6: And the person she was texting at that moment that
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Speaker 6: was her mother's, her dead mother's phone. She picked up
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Speaker 6: that phone and text her stepdad and said when will
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Speaker 6: you be home?
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Speaker 1: Honey? So she is luring luring the step dad to
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Speaker 1: the scene.
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Speaker 6: That's right, That's absolutely correct. She had her phone there,
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Speaker 6: but she chose to use her mother's to text him
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Speaker 6: to find out when he would be home.
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Speaker 1: Gonna be very tough to show any type of mental
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Speaker 1: defense when she texts the stepdad luring him home so
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Speaker 1: she can shoot him dead.
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Speaker 3: Okay, sir, what her name?
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Speaker 1: Carly? Greg?
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Speaker 3: Carli? Greg? You still have a good homer?
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Speaker 8: He ran.
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Speaker 2: Ran character, burnes, evapestash pot and an angry team. It's
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Speaker 2: an explosive combination that leads to death.
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Speaker 3: I'm not hot in my head, where's.
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Speaker 7: Where's my.
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Speaker 1: Sor you know, it's so hard to hear that raw
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Speaker 1: pain and emotion by the stepdad finding his wife shot
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Speaker 1: in the face, to just the out pouring, the screaming,
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Speaker 1: the crying. She shot her mom and she's going to
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Speaker 1: come back and kill me, And still this nine one
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Speaker 1: one person doesn't seem to understand what's going on. The
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Speaker 1: nine one one dispatch says she killed her mom, and
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Speaker 1: he goes, yes, that's what I've been trying to tell
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Speaker 1: you this whole call. And now she's coming back to
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Speaker 1: kill me. It's really going to be hard to make
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Speaker 1: that mental defect, that mental defense. When we see Curly
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Speaker 1: Gregg fourteen years old, sneaking around the house with a
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Speaker 1: gun behind her back, sneaking into mom's area and shooting
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Speaker 1: mom in the face. There's three gun shots that we
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Speaker 1: hear fired and then go straight to the phone and
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Speaker 1: texts stepdad, hey from Mom's from mom's phone, another layer
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Speaker 1: of deception to lure him home. Let's stay on that
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Speaker 1: one moment when we introed, I heard the words burner, phones, pot,
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Speaker 1: and an angry teen wait a minute, straight out to
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Speaker 1: doctor William Morony, longtime colleague and friend, renown medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist,
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Speaker 1: opioid treatment expert, and author of a bestseller, American Narcian.
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Speaker 1: It's about saving lives with malaxone dtr moroney, thank you
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Speaker 1: for taking time from the morgue. I can't imagine who
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Speaker 1: wants to tear themselves away from that. But that said,
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Speaker 1: are we really going to blame pot here? That pot
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Speaker 1: casts some kind of a middle defect. You're the toxicologist.
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. Help me.
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Speaker 9: There's an awful lot of moral ethical and it's a
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Speaker 9: just a terrible state of American mental health. There's dissociative
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Speaker 9: disease here. Dissociative disease. Let me dumb it down, because
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Speaker 9: I know not everybody's a doctor. The idea that she
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Speaker 9: has a mental health process, that she's disconnected from thoughts, feelings,
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Speaker 9: and identity to make this happen. This violence is the
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Speaker 9: end result of dissociative disease. But guess what six times
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Speaker 9: more likely psychosis with cannabis.
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Speaker 1: So okay, we take hold on. Let me rephrase my question.
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Speaker 1: Can I blame this on POT?
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Speaker 9: Fifty to fifty mental illness and drugs together?
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Speaker 1: Why? Wait now? You're the medical examiner, right, Yes, but
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Speaker 1: it's okay. Do you have a degree that you've kept
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Speaker 1: hidden from me in psychiatry.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I'm writing a book called Sidewalks.
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Speaker 1: Do not have a degree in psychiatry.
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Speaker 9: I did study psychiatry in school, So no, no, I'm
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Speaker 9: going to argue with you. I can make these decisions.
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Speaker 9: I see people mental.
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Speaker 1: I study psychology. I had one person, But that doesn't
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Speaker 1: make me Karen Stark. Good, Okay, I differ. One little
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Speaker 1: rotation with a psychiatric unit does not make you a psychiatris.
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Speaker 1: It's just like my one class in psychology does not
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Speaker 1: turn me into Karen Stark.
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Speaker 9: But I've seen this mental health of twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Using pot is not an excuse for shooting your mother
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Speaker 1: and your step father.
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Speaker 9: What we have what we call three hit hypotheses genetics, environment,
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Speaker 9: and then drugs. You add them all together and you
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Speaker 9: get a terrible combination that leads to disrespective life, to
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Speaker 9: socia of disease, and then violent behavior that breaks laws.
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Speaker 1: This is the breakdown of society.
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Speaker 9: There's not enough mental health here and the lack of life.
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, now you're going to societal breakdown.
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Speaker 1: I know their societal breakdown. Guess what they said that
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Speaker 1: in Roman times there will always be societal breakdown. Okay,
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Speaker 1: not my problem right now. My problem right now is
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Speaker 1: why to Curly Gregg shoot her mother. If she has
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Speaker 1: a mental defect, then I want her in a mental hospital.
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Speaker 1: If she doesn't, I want her to treat it as
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Speaker 1: an adult and tried for murder. It's really black and white,
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Speaker 1: it really is. You're telling me that pot I can
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Speaker 1: blame pot for the murder? Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 9: It adds to the dissociate disease six times more than
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Speaker 9: natural mental illness. The studies come from Scandinavia. They followed
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Speaker 9: conscripts for twenty years, and the concavia have six times
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Speaker 9: more likely to have psychotic episodes. Period.
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Speaker 1: Are you throwing a Scandinavian study at me and expecting
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Speaker 1: me to let Curly greg walk for murdering her mother
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Speaker 1: and then shooting her steath?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 5: What hold on?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Maroney, Katherine White Newman, Isn't it true that
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Speaker 1: just before Curly Gregg shot her mother in the face,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I heard three gun shots. As you know,
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Speaker 1: you're a veteran prosecutor. Intent can be formed in the
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Speaker 1: twinkling of a moment, the blink of an eye, the
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Speaker 1: time it takes for you to pull a trigger. Under
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Speaker 1: the law, you don't need a long drawn out plan
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Speaker 1: such as poisoning someone over a period of weeks and months,
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Speaker 1: raising the gun, and pulling the trigger under our jurisprudence
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Speaker 1: shows intent. We've got three of those here. But that said,
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Speaker 1: in case the jury doesn't believe me, isn't it true
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Speaker 1: the mom was searching her room and she didn't like it.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: Not only do we know that because one of Carly's
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Speaker 6: friends came forward to law enforcement that day at school.
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Speaker 6: He had been concerned about Carle's use of burner phones
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Speaker 6: and marijuana t xc vappens, and so he confronted her
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Speaker 6: mom to let her know about this secret life. And
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Speaker 6: we know from Carle's evaluations that mom confronted her on
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Speaker 6: the way home, and then from the video evidence inside
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Speaker 6: the home, we know that mom went over to Carly's
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Speaker 6: side of the house, removed some items, walked back to
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Speaker 6: her bedroom at some point with them in her hand,
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Speaker 6: and then walked back to the bedroom to continue searching.
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Speaker 6: When law enforcement arrived on the scene, and they were
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Speaker 6: able to process the scene. They found four empty vape
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Speaker 6: cartridge boxes as well as Carly's burner phone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Katherine white Eniman, you've got me drinking from the
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Speaker 1: fire hydrant. Okay, that was so much information, but I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to stop you. Could you say that again
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Speaker 1: and slowly? Because I'm making a flowchart here as to
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Speaker 1: why this girl is not insane. I'm not saying she
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Speaker 1: wasn't depressed, not at all. I'm not saying she didn't
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Speaker 1: have some type of mental issues. Don't all teenagers have
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Speaker 1: some kind of mental issue. But that said, if she's
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Speaker 1: truly mentally ill, I don't want her thrown into GPA
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Speaker 1: general population. I want her treated. But I'm not convinced yet.
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Speaker 1: I have one dead body, a mother, a devoted mother,
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Speaker 1: shot in the face. I have her or tasting her friends. Hey,
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Speaker 1: you want to see a dead body, and this is
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Speaker 1: after she lures at home to shoot him. Now, my
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Speaker 1: original question, Miss Newman, was isn't it true mother was
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Speaker 1: going to search her room? Yes? Absolutely, that's true.
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Speaker 6: Mom had gone into Carly's room. She was currently searching
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Speaker 6: through her room when Carly came in and shot her
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Speaker 6: three times.
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Speaker 1: In the head.
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Speaker 6: From what we learned through law enforcement and also through
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Speaker 6: the trial was that one of Carly's friends was so
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Speaker 6: concerned about her secret life using burner phones as well
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Speaker 6: as these marijuana thhc vappens that he confronted her mom
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Speaker 6: at school that day to let her know that he
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Speaker 6: was concerned about Carly. And so we also know from
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Speaker 6: Carly's mental health evaluations she reported that mom in fact
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Speaker 6: did confront her on the way home about the drug
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Speaker 6: use and the phones. When law enforcement arrived at the
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Speaker 6: scene to process it, they found four empty vaate pen
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Speaker 6: boxes that we assumed that mom had removed from Carly's bedroom.
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Speaker 6: On the video surveillance footage, Mom Ashley Smiley is seen
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Speaker 6: walking to Carly's side of the house and then has
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Speaker 6: something in her hand and is seen walking to her
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Speaker 6: bedroom and back. And so we certainly think that Ashley
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Speaker 6: had found those baked pin boxes and quite frankly, possibly
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Speaker 6: Carly's burner phone before Carly came in and shot her
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Speaker 6: mom three times in the face inside her bedroom.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Carly Gregg back in a
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Speaker 1: courtroom trying to convince a judge she deserves a new trial.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 2: Gunshots ring out? Carly Greg caught on home surveillance running away.
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Speaker 1: What happened? Did you see her running away?
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Speaker 5: Right there?
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Speaker 1: Could I just show that video one more time? And
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Speaker 1: that's from out You're looking through the garage and there
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Speaker 1: she goes. Just so you know, that was dad's blue pickup.
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Speaker 1: That was just Stepdad coming home after she lured him. There, guys,
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Speaker 1: with me and Allstar Pennel, we have the prosecutor on
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Speaker 1: this case, Katherine White Newman, and the defense attorney who
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Speaker 1: still has not given up on Carly Greg. Whether you
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Speaker 1: agree with him or not, that's what our constitution is
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Speaker 1: all about. He cares about one thing and one thing only,
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Speaker 1: doing everything he can within the law. I hope to
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Speaker 1: help his client. And if you're in trouble, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of lawyer you want. But I gotta tell you something,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Camp that text luring the stepdad and then the
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Speaker 1: text going hey guys, what's he dead body? Shooting her
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Speaker 1: mother twice in the face, and there's gotta be some
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Speaker 1: psychological story behind that once in the neck and then
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Speaker 1: shooting stepdad in the shoulder. It's going to be really
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Speaker 1: tough to prove she has some type of mental defect.
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Speaker 1: When when you see that and she runs flight shows
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Speaker 1: evidence of guilt, knowledge of guilt. How do you fight that? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I know she used OLAF, I get it, But how
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Speaker 1: are you gonna blame Pott?
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Speaker 7: She texted her friends because she asked them because she
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Speaker 7: needed help, and so the tech, the text stream from
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Speaker 7: all her friends was dealing with, uh, you know, come over,
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Speaker 7: I need help. Uh, you know, things of that nature.
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Speaker 7: And they became concerned because they thought, you you mean things.
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Speaker 1: Of that nature? Whoopsie? You mean when she said, hey,
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Speaker 1: does a dead body bother you? That that that other
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Speaker 1: text that wasn't a text, that that was not a text?
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Speaker 1: Was okay? What was the text that? What was that?
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Speaker 7: That was when her one of her friends, which you
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Speaker 7: saw the friend running behind Carly in the video, when
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Speaker 7: that friend came over, then Carly made that comp Brooks said,
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Speaker 7: Carly made that comment to her, and so that that's
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Speaker 7: where that comes. That's not the that's not from the Texas.
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Speaker 7: It'd be the second.
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Speaker 1: Person that you know what. I'm glad you clear cleared
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Speaker 1: that up, Kevin Camp. So am I supposed to assume
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Speaker 1: that you think that's not as damning as texting it,
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Speaker 1: she says to her friend, does dead body bother you?
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Speaker 7: The the other the other things that you ask about
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Speaker 7: sort of what's going on and why why we have
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Speaker 7: these opinions on it. It's a mental defect and things
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Speaker 7: of that nature. It's a lot of conversations that she's
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Speaker 7: having with her friends. It's it's convers it's Texas conversations.
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Speaker 7: It's things that she was writing in her diary that
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Speaker 7: give us a glimpse of actually what was going on
24:44
Speaker 7: that nobody knew besides her friends that these issues were
24:49
Speaker 7: out there. And then what you're seeing is everything sort
24:53
Speaker 7: of comes to a head on that March nineteenth day.
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Speaker 7: You have the medication comes into play. You have of
25:01
Speaker 7: she already had issues, she was cutting, there have been
25:05
Speaker 7: cutting issues. There had been a lot of different mental
25:08
Speaker 7: things that were that were all going on, and that's
25:12
Speaker 7: that's where it all sort of comes together. One other
25:16
Speaker 7: thing that I that I want to sort of clarify.
25:18
Speaker 7: They talked about a burner fund. The burner phone is
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Speaker 7: like just an old iPad that they had and that
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Speaker 7: she was able to activate. So it's not like some
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Speaker 7: you know, nefarious phone. It was just one that that
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Speaker 7: she was texting, uh, texting her friends and stuff like
25:34
Speaker 7: that on and and there was a boyfriend that I
25:36
Speaker 7: think she was texting on that that she didn't want
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Speaker 7: her mom to know about, is what I got.
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Speaker 1: So she's using an old iPad that mom and dad
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Speaker 1: have discounted, and she's using that surreptitiously.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what that's when we're talking about a burner phone,
25:52
Speaker 7: that's that's the quote unquote burner phone. And so the
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Speaker 7: person that she's talking to is this. There's a boyfriend
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Speaker 7: who came in and to five that I think she
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Speaker 7: had met him at some mathematics camp up at Mississippi
26:05
Speaker 7: State or something that summer before, and so that that
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Speaker 7: was where the Texas were going, you know, the nefarious
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Speaker 7: Texas that everybody says. She has a burner phone.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 10: Immediately after the shooting, Carly uses her mom's phone to
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Speaker 10: text Heith Smiley, you almost home, honey. Smiley replies he'll
26:24
Speaker 10: be home in about an hour. Carly then sends a
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Speaker 10: text to six friends saying she's having an emergency and
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Speaker 10: needs someone to come to her house. One friend offers
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Speaker 10: to call nine one one, Carly declines. Eventually one friend
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Speaker 10: agrees to come over. When Carly answers the door, she
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Speaker 10: asks the girl are you squeamish around dead bodies, before
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Speaker 10: leading the girl to her mom's body in her bedroom.
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Speaker 1: What are you squeamish around dead bodies? And then takes
26:51
Speaker 1: the friend to go look at mom's body. Catherine White Newman,
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Speaker 1: did that happen? That did happen.
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Speaker 6: One of the other things that has not addressed is
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Speaker 6: that one of the people she was texting with as
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Speaker 6: you just played, offered to call nine on one. She said, no,
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Speaker 6: you can't do that. One of the other friends. She
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Speaker 6: also face times with multiple people, so one of the
27:11
Speaker 6: other friends reported to law enforcement that he told her
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Speaker 6: don't hurt yourself or someone else, and as soon as
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Speaker 6: he got out or someone else.
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Speaker 1: She said it was too late.
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Speaker 6: She also facetimed with the same friend who had offered
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Speaker 6: to call nine one one, and she said, you can't
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Speaker 6: do that. Our assumption is because we knew that she
27:30
Speaker 6: wanted to try to kill stepdad two, she didn't want
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Speaker 6: her plans interrupted. But she also explained to him that
27:37
Speaker 6: she had fed up again, indicating to us, of course, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: that she did in fact know right from wrong. All
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Speaker 6: of these actions, the fact that she kept telling these friends,
27:47
Speaker 6: I can't tell you why I need you to come over.
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Speaker 6: I just need help.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Karen Stark, renowned psychologist, TV radio trauma
27:55
Speaker 1: expert consultant at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a
27:59
Speaker 1: C if you're looking for her, Okay, Karen. The only
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Speaker 1: other fact I want to throw in is Curley had
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Speaker 1: been on Zoloft and switched to lexipro. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that had anything to do with it, but I
28:12
Speaker 1: can tell you this, Karen Stark. If it did and
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Speaker 1: the defense is using that prescription drug, everybody in Rikers
28:22
Speaker 1: is going to walk free because they're all going to say, hey,
28:25
Speaker 1: I was on lexipro.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy. I read that she was taking a very
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Speaker 8: small dose, and there's no way that that led to
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Speaker 8: psychotic behavior. I also want to talk about a disassociated
28:39
Speaker 8: state that doctor Moroni kept mentioning. There's no way that
28:44
Speaker 8: she's in a disassociated state. I don't even know where
28:46
Speaker 8: that comes from. She is very aware of what she's doing.
28:51
Speaker 8: She knows right from wrong. She knows to take her
28:55
Speaker 8: mother's phone and to get in touch with his stepfather,
28:59
Speaker 8: and even use her mother's voice and say, honey, are
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Speaker 8: you coming back soon. Her own counselor, who saw her
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Speaker 8: the day before, said that her mental state was fine.
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Speaker 8: She knows the difference between right and wrong. She knows
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Speaker 8: to walk quietly into her mother's room. She understands to
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Speaker 8: text her friends. She runs away after she attempts to
29:23
Speaker 8: kill her stepfather. So this is someone who is a psychopath.
29:28
Speaker 8: This is not a disassociated state. It's not because of
29:32
Speaker 8: the medicine. It's very very clear. She's an angry teenager
29:37
Speaker 8: who got caught and decides, well, I'll just go ahead
29:41
Speaker 8: and kill both of them.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Collin joining me co hosts a primetime crime on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: which is incredible, Lauren, Lauren, is it true that when
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Speaker 1: everyone arrived at the scene, they found mommy dad shot
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Speaker 1: three times? Which I'm gonna have to go to Maroney
29:58
Speaker 1: on this overkill two times in the face, one time
30:03
Speaker 1: in the neck. But Carly greg had laid a towel
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Speaker 1: over her mother's face.
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Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy, she did lay a towel over her
30:13
Speaker 5: mother's face. And I just I want to add that
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Speaker 5: Ashley Smiley was an incredibly devoted parent. Nancy and Carly
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Speaker 5: greg like Kevin said, was brilliant. She skipped a grade
30:26
Speaker 5: at thirteen, She scored a thirty on her acts, and
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Speaker 5: that towel right there, combined with everything else, in my opinion,
30:34
Speaker 5: does show that she did know right from wrong. She
30:38
Speaker 5: perhaps did not want to look at what she did
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Speaker 5: to her mother after she shot her three times in
30:43
Speaker 5: the face, so.
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Speaker 1: She put a towel over her crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl shoot her mom, did shoot
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Speaker 1: her stepfather? And if so, why? In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: she hopes to convince a judge she deserves a new trial.
31:14
Speaker 1: But what were the facts of trial? Listen doctor William
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Speaker 1: Marony again, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, and author, Doctor Morony.
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Speaker 1: This all starts over vaping and popped. Mom goes into
31:31
Speaker 1: the room after getting tipped off by a friend of
31:34
Speaker 1: her daughter's and pulls out four vapes empty. Explain what
31:40
Speaker 1: that means? What are your thoughts.
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Speaker 9: It's really important to recognize that THHC is just as
31:48
Speaker 9: much a drug just because it's legal as something like
31:53
Speaker 9: amphetamine or OxyContin, and regular exposure re wears the brain,
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Speaker 9: and you're not dealing with an adult brain of a
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Speaker 9: twenty seven year old. You're dealing with the brain of
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Speaker 9: a child. And if there's been THHC involved since it's eleven, twelve,
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Speaker 9: thirteen years old, you have what we call arrested emotional development.
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Speaker 9: So this knowing the difference between right and wrong in
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Speaker 9: a child, that's insane.
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Speaker 1: Doctor William Roney chilling in court, and you've got Kevin
32:29
Speaker 1: Camp sitting right beside her, standing by her till the
32:33
Speaker 1: bitter end. And you see Curly greg the fourteen year
32:39
Speaker 1: old girl giggling in court, trying to stifle a giggle
32:46
Speaker 1: in court after she is accused of murdering her mother. So,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Camp, that is damning. What do you do when
32:58
Speaker 1: your client starts laughing during a murder trial?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it depends on you know what time
33:06
Speaker 7: you're you're talking. That was a five day trial. There
33:10
Speaker 7: were numerous times where she was crying when she was
33:14
Speaker 7: given or when there were a lot of photos and
33:17
Speaker 7: things that we had we had talked to her about,
33:21
Speaker 7: but we had not prepared her for those, or we
33:24
Speaker 7: had not shown them to her, and so when they
33:27
Speaker 7: came out in court, she became very very emotional about that.
33:31
Speaker 7: So when if you're asking, you know, you want the
33:35
Speaker 7: perception is you want your the people to believe that
33:39
Speaker 7: that this individual is truly concerned about what's going on.
33:42
Speaker 7: So when you're you're saying she was giggling, I would
33:46
Speaker 7: have to put that in perspective of when that happened.
33:49
Speaker 7: I know it wasn't during any of the testimony or
33:52
Speaker 7: anything like that. Long trials that are very intense.
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Speaker 1: Kevin. Yes, I never want to be a defense attorney,
34:03
Speaker 1: but I have to say I really admire you, you know,
34:07
Speaker 1: fighting your way out of this paper bag, because she's
34:10
Speaker 1: laughing in court and the murder of her mother and
34:14
Speaker 1: you actually said that you're defending her, and you said, well,
34:18
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on you know, the testimony at
34:21
Speaker 1: the moment. Did she not see the gruesome crime scene
34:26
Speaker 1: photos of her mother dead, but somehow she manages a giggle.
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Speaker 7: She doesn't, she's not giggling. Then, in fact, when when
34:34
Speaker 7: those were being shown, she was, she was crying, she
34:37
Speaker 7: was visibly upset when all that was happening. As far
34:41
Speaker 7: as this giggling, I don't know what time frame we're
34:45
Speaker 7: talking about, but it wasn't. It certainly was not in
34:48
Speaker 7: those time frames because I know what her reaction was then.
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Speaker 1: The bio dad standing by her and defending her. I
34:58
Speaker 1: have just received this motion for a new trial. This
35:02
Speaker 1: is SOP standard operating procedure. Once you, once the defense
35:06
Speaker 1: gets a guilty verdict or in this case, a verdict
35:09
Speaker 1: of not insane or mentally ill, you immediately file a
35:14
Speaker 1: motion for a new trial and you try to convince
35:16
Speaker 1: the judge this is just just ruled against you that
35:19
Speaker 1: he she was all wrong and to give us a redo.
35:24
Speaker 1: That rarely happens because no judge, even if they are wrong,
35:27
Speaker 1: is ever going to admit it. After this is denied,
35:31
Speaker 1: then the defense will start a legitimate appeal to a
35:35
Speaker 1: higher court. So, Catherine White Newman, what happened at the trial.
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Speaker 6: I believe that the evidence showed that Carly Gregg was
35:44
Speaker 6: in fact guilty of murder, attempted murder, and tampering with
35:47
Speaker 6: physical evidence. We heard from doctor Gugliano as well as
35:52
Speaker 6: doctor Pickett on behalf of the state, who testified that
35:55
Speaker 6: Carly Gregg was competent to stand trial, and then that
35:59
Speaker 6: Carly Gregg will not in fact insane. At the time,
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Speaker 6: the judge allowed doctor Andrew Clark to testify on behalf
36:07
Speaker 6: of the defendant. It's the states argument, and we stand
36:11
Speaker 6: by this that he actually did not testify to the
36:13
Speaker 6: proper standard. He did not actually meet the qualifications to
36:17
Speaker 6: testify as an expert in this case. However, the jury
36:19
Speaker 6: did get to hear from him. He talked about the
36:22
Speaker 6: fact that Carly had apparently experienced a disassociated state and
36:28
Speaker 6: that she blacked out from the time that she let
36:30
Speaker 6: her dogs out until the time that she came to
36:33
Speaker 6: in the sewer. Interestingly, doctor Clark said that his opinions
36:38
Speaker 6: were just hypotheses, and also there were times that Carly
36:43
Speaker 6: knew right from wrong during some of her actions, and
36:46
Speaker 6: so we believe the jury got it right. I mean,
36:49
Speaker 6: these ladies and gentlemen used their common sense and heard
36:53
Speaker 6: from these experts, and there was just no testimony that
36:57
Speaker 6: Carly in fact did not know right from wrong.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Camp, you just heard Katherine White Newman just off
37:05
Speaker 1: the top of her head spin out so many seemingly
37:10
Speaker 1: damning facts. She didn't even have to look at her
37:12
Speaker 1: notes for Pete's sake. But Kevin Camp, you are convinced
37:16
Speaker 1: at this girl, then fourteen year old Curly is ill
37:23
Speaker 1: that she has some sort of a mental illness. I
37:26
Speaker 1: want to hear your defense, because again I do not
37:29
Speaker 1: want someone medtally ill thrown in with GP. Tell me
37:34
Speaker 1: your best shot.
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Speaker 7: First and foremost. I would say doctor Clark was a
37:40
Speaker 7: much more experienced psychiatrist than either of the two States
37:46
Speaker 7: psychiatrists in this situation. In fact, the psychiatrists they used,
37:50
Speaker 7: which was a doctor Pickett, this was the first time
37:53
Speaker 7: that he had ever been qualified as an expert. He
37:55
Speaker 7: had just gotten his qualifications, I believe back in October.
38:00
Speaker 7: Being said, doctor Clark went through an extensive valuation and
38:05
Speaker 7: we ruled out different things so we knew she was
38:08
Speaker 7: in psychopathy. There were different tests and different things that
38:11
Speaker 7: we looked at on that we knew that this wasn't
38:14
Speaker 7: a panic situation. So then it comes into a mental illness.
38:17
Speaker 7: We went back and started looking at what what the
38:21
Speaker 7: mental illnesses were, what was going on, uh, things of
38:25
Speaker 7: that nature, some of the stuff that I want I
38:28
Speaker 7: just want to address this a little bit. Doctor Clark
38:31
Speaker 7: testified exactly to what McNaughton was. There was no issue
38:36
Speaker 7: on different standard or anything of that nature. One of
38:40
Speaker 7: the big issues that came out in the case is
38:43
Speaker 7: they're actually their expert. Again, the expert who doesn't have
38:48
Speaker 7: any experience in this case, did a diagnosis of Carly
38:54
Speaker 7: Gregg's father without ever seeing him. And that's what That's
38:59
Speaker 7: something that from my understanding is you're the American Medical Association,
39:04
Speaker 7: which this doctor is a part of, is you don't
39:07
Speaker 7: do that. Okay, if you're you do not do a
39:10
Speaker 7: value You do not do diagnosis of people, especially psychiatry
39:15
Speaker 7: diagnoses of people that you never examine. There's a rule,
39:19
Speaker 7: it's called the Goldwater rule that comes into play. That
39:22
Speaker 7: being said, the big issue was whether or not she
39:25
Speaker 7: was bipolar, and she had not been diagnosed with bipolar
39:29
Speaker 7: at that time. If there's a heredity, so let.
39:32
Speaker 1: Me understand, you're an answer to the question what instrumental
39:37
Speaker 1: defect you're saying bipolar?
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Speaker 3: Man?
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Speaker 1: It depressive? Is that what you're saying is your ailment?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it goes into that. Yes, it goes into that
39:46
Speaker 7: disassociated state, and it all it all sort of fits
39:50
Speaker 7: in together on how that works. And that's what uh,
39:54
Speaker 7: if you take if you if doctor Pickett does the
39:58
Speaker 7: correct evaluation, does he supposed He's going to come to
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Speaker 7: the same conclusion that doctor Clark did.
40:03
Speaker 2: The bit for a new trial made by Carly Gregg's
40:06
Speaker 2: attorneys cited new evidence and a series of errors at
40:10
Speaker 2: her trial. As I said earlier, the new evidence was
40:14
Speaker 2: at Carly's trial, the attorneys conceded that she had killed
40:17
Speaker 2: her mother and shot her stepfather, but argued at the
40:21
Speaker 2: time she was legally insane of the crime and had
40:24
Speaker 2: been suffering from undiagnosed mental illness. A psychiatrist, Andrew Clark,
40:29
Speaker 2: hired by Carly's defense, testified that she had an unspecified
40:33
Speaker 2: schizophrenic order. Carley's biological father, Kevin Gregg, told the interviewer
40:39
Speaker 2: that Carly had suffered from auditory hallucination as a child
40:43
Speaker 2: and was put into equon therapy to help deal with it.
40:46
Speaker 2: Among other issues were radical sanctions placed on the defense
40:51
Speaker 2: by the judge in response to what were willful violations
40:55
Speaker 2: of discovery, which included two witnesses and limiting the testimony
40:59
Speaker 2: of others. The motion also questioned the makeup of the jury.
41:03
Speaker 2: Under Mississippi law, jurors must be twenty one years old,
41:07
Speaker 2: meaning Carly was much younger at fifteen than her jury
41:12
Speaker 2: of peers.
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Speaker 1: In the end, the Mississippi.
41:15
Speaker 2: Judge denied the motion for a new trial, saying that
41:20
Speaker 2: no new information was revealed in the interview with Carly's
41:24
Speaker 2: biological father. The court ruled quote. This court specifically finds
41:28
Speaker 2: that no new and material has been discovered which probably
41:32
Speaker 2: would produce a different result at trial, and by reasonable diligence,
41:36
Speaker 2: this evidence could not have been discovered sooner. The Court
41:39
Speaker 2: reviewed these statements and finds these statements would not have
41:42
Speaker 2: probably produced a different result at trial.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,