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#0275_ AI Data Centers Exposed — Toxic Water, Hidden Pollution & the Fight for Environmental Justice · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Erin Brockovich, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Sean Ryan. Welcome to be here. Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Right on. So, AI data centers. Going to have a
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  Speaker 1: whole episode on it today. Really? I saw some of
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you were uncovering. I don't know a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot about the bad side of all this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've been talking about all the Good side of all.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to dive into all that today. It's
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: going to be super eye-opening. But I want to start
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  Speaker 1: with just saying I really appreciate what you're doing. So
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea about the water problem coming from this,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: You and me both. You know, I found out about
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  Speaker 2: data centers as kind of like, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm in such like a time warp in my
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  Speaker 2: life right now. And you'll find out I'm kind of that. that's,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm super connected, and I feel energies,
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  Speaker 2: we are energy, this planet is energy, and I worry
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  Speaker 2: that we've gotten so, you know, into our phones that
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  Speaker 2: we've become disconnected from our natural environment, and we're missing
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  Speaker 2: a lot. And I feel, again, like I did... It
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  Speaker 2: just came out of the blue, that young girl, 31
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  Speaker 2: years old, starting in Hinkley, California. who really didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what she was getting into, but I could feel it.
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  Speaker 2: And I was compelled to want to do something. And
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  Speaker 2: that happened with the data centers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I got 30 emails from individuals from the same
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  Speaker 2: town with concerns about the data centers. So anytime, you know, 10, 20, 30,
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  Speaker 2: 40 people at once come to me about an issue
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  Speaker 2: from the same town that's generally a clue something's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, these data centers, what's going on? Let
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  Speaker 2: me take a look at it. So I started looking
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  Speaker 2: at data centers and its water consumption. And I'm a dyslexic,
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  Speaker 2: so I do a lot of things backwards in that regard.
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  Speaker 2: For me and my work, I always have to go
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  Speaker 2: back to source. You know, they say dyslexics read backward.
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  Speaker 2: I can read fine, but I calculate and I have
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  Speaker 2: to go back to source. Where did it start? What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted to create a map so I could
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  Speaker 2: see the big picture. I'm very visual. I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of us are. And I say this with respect
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  Speaker 2: because I, too, have lived in my own bubble. And
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  Speaker 2: we get busy in our own lives. And we stop
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  Speaker 2: looking beyond that. And so when you see a town
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  Speaker 2: that's being poisoned, you might think it's just one town
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  Speaker 2: and it could never be us. But when I can
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  Speaker 2: create the big picture, it changes the story. So with
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  Speaker 2: the data centers, what I thought was one town, within
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  Speaker 2: 72 hours, I looked at all the submissions. So I
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  Speaker 2: created a self-reporting registry database where they could submit what
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  Speaker 2: was happening in their own backyard. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: we wouldn't pay attention to the very people living, breathing,
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  Speaker 2: and experiencing these issues as to what the hell is
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  Speaker 2: happening in their backyard. And it blew up to the
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  Speaker 2: whole country.
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  Speaker 1: How long ago did you start this?
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  Speaker 2: 10 weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Just 10 weeks ago?
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  Speaker 2: 10 weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: And you, I mean, I, I want to give you
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  Speaker 1: an introduction before we go too far.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I just jumped right into it.
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  Speaker 1: Did I read that you had like 7,000 something submissions?
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  Speaker 2: 12,000 submissions. I updated the map last night and we've
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  Speaker 2: now pinned 8,000 submissions. So we read each submission and
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  Speaker 2: we vet its location and Some people won't have their
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  Speaker 2: zip codes in there or we can't find it. Or
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  Speaker 2: it's a solar farm with a data center coming, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not there yet. So we read each one. So
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  Speaker 2: we're a little behind because we're reading it and we're
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  Speaker 2: a small group and vetting them. But we're now over 8,000,
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  Speaker 2: if not possibly 9,000 pinned on the map. And you're
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  Speaker 2: just like, you can't even see. Most of America, there's
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  Speaker 2: just so many data centers going in everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: We'll put it up on screen right now, but.
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  Speaker 2: So I was very, very surprised very quickly. And again, I'm...
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  Speaker 2: I feel like when I stepped out into Hinkley, California.
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  Speaker 3: Um.
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  Speaker 2: I could feel it. And I could see it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know... Anytime you see two-headed frogs in green water, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of a fucked up situation. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: one to back away. from anyone trying to tell me
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  Speaker 2: what I see I don't see. And that happens a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And on the data centers, I don't think we saw
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  Speaker 2: the big picture. Because we're busy in our own bubble. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten that way too. And so, you may think
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  Speaker 2: it's one isolated place when it's everywhere. And what I'm
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  Speaker 2: learning with the data centers is what began with one
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  Speaker 2: town became a whole country. and I now have 11
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  Speaker 2: other countries reporting.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the whole... 11 other countries? What are those?
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  Speaker 1: What countries?
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  Speaker 2: India, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Portugal, Croatia, the UK, Scotland, Ireland,
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  Speaker 2: and I have to think about what the other two are.
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  Speaker 2: It's the whole globe. It's the whole planet.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, I mean, you've always been an environmentalist, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I got labeled that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me give you an introduction here real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Erin Brockovich, you became a household name after helping expose
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  Speaker 1: one of the largest groundwater contamination cases in U.S. history
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  Speaker 1: involving Pacific gas and electric. That investigation led to a
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  Speaker 1: historic $ 333 million settlement and inspired the Academy Award-winning film
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  Speaker 1: Erin Brockovich, where Julia Roberts portrayed you. For more than
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  Speaker 1: 30 years, you've investigated environmental contamination, corporate misconduct, and public
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  Speaker 1: health issues, helping communities take on some of the most
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  Speaker 1: powerful companies in America. Today, you're focused on the rapid
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  Speaker 1: expansion of AI data centers, sounding the alarm about their
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  Speaker 1: impact on water, resources, energy, infrastructure, and local communities. You've
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  Speaker 1: also launched a nationwide initiative to help track data center development.
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  Speaker 1: You're the author of several books, including Superman's Not Coming,
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  Speaker 1: which examines America's water crisis and the need to protect
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  Speaker 1: one of the most vital resources. Man, it's just like
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  Speaker 1: everywhere you turn in this country and probably in the world,
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  Speaker 1: there's some crisis going on. I just watched this movie,
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  Speaker 1: this documentary on Netflix. It's about plastics, microplastics. It's called
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  Speaker 1: The Plastic Detox. Have you seen that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the fertility crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Are you talking about PFAS, perfluorooctanoic acids?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And the microplastics, yeah. We work on that across the
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  Speaker 2: country and there's definitely concern with the data centers and
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  Speaker 2: their water consumption and they're using PFAS in the coolant
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  Speaker 2: and then that has to be disposed of. I'm starting
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  Speaker 2: to just now get a lot of information in from whistleblowers,
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  Speaker 2: some things that I'm not sure I'm liking when I'm reading.
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  Speaker 2: People who are managing these facilities that are now seeing
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  Speaker 2: runoff and toxic runoff and the chemicals involved. There's no regulations,
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  Speaker 2: there's no oversight of any way, shape, or form. This
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  Speaker 2: is a free-for-all out there. And so I'm starting to
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  Speaker 2: get those all that information coming in, I'm starting to
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  Speaker 2: create the stats. But it's a plethora of chemicals. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've just become this industrialized country and all these chemicals.
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  Speaker 1: And our bodies are full of them.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I had this guy, Zach Lanon. He's running for governor
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  Speaker 1: in Iowa. And, you know, he was a big, I
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  Speaker 1: think he was a big Baja movement supporter. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how he couldn't be I was too until I
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  Speaker 1: wound up, you know, it seems like it's complete bullshit
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  Speaker 1: at this point with the glyphosate. Do you know about
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  Speaker 1: the glyphosate stuff?
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  Speaker 2: I know about it. I've actually written some things for
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  Speaker 2: legislation out in the good old Kansas, which I meant
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  Speaker 2: to say to you because I was born and raised
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  Speaker 2: in Lawrence, Kansas. You're from Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: I would be the girl that was pulling all the
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  Speaker 4: tiger's tails out of the trunk. I'm telling you, we
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  Speaker 4: would just get into that because I'm such a jayhawker.
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  Speaker 4: But on game night, if you were missing a tail
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  Speaker 4: from your trunk, I took it.
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  Speaker 1: Right on.
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  Speaker 2: Just wanted to let you know that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, he came on and we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the glyphosate issue. And, you know, I mean, this administration
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  Speaker 1: ran on You know, we're at Omaha, let's make America
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  Speaker 1: healthy again, right? Then they give immunity to the foreign
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  Speaker 1: glyphosate companies and call it a national security concern. we
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  Speaker 1: also label the fentanyl crisis a national security concern a
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand people died from fentanyl six hundred and eighteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand died from cancer cancer isn't even an organic disease
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing. It's all this shit that we
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  Speaker 1: have put into the environment that's given everyone and everything cancer.
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  Speaker 1: And then they give them immunity. The highest concentration of
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  Speaker 1: glyphosate in the country is Iowa. The highest concentration of
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  Speaker 1: cancer in the country is Iowa. How the fuck is
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  Speaker 1: that not a national security concern?
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  Speaker 2: Right. I think I asked myself that question and I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody in the communities asks themselves the same question. So.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, shit, the cancer drugs are probably also in
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  Speaker 1: the lobbying trying to get the glyphosate companies immunity. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they can treat cancer patients. Like it's just like
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  Speaker 1: everything is for sale in this place.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And, you know, I think I'm observing, especially
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  Speaker 2: with the data center movement, because the people are waking up.
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  Speaker 2: Something's changing out there. And you can feel it. There's
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  Speaker 2: a shift happening. And I don't know, you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of going back to whether we all get involved in
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  Speaker 2: our own lives. And then when we see the bigger picture,
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  Speaker 2: something happens, we realize that we're not alone. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: in my entire 30 years of working, I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: in a situation that has been bipartisan, where everybody's being affected. And...
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  Speaker 2: I said this morning, I think it was last night
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  Speaker 2: or this morning, um... it's almost... I just, I'm watching
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  Speaker 2: this happen with the data centers. I'm working with these
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  Speaker 2: people and I just am getting this huge emotion of
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  Speaker 2: pride and I am so proud of them. And I
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  Speaker 2: am watching when we are united together, I'm watching them.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing what we can get done. And that is
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  Speaker 2: happening here that I, in my whole career, haven't seen,
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  Speaker 2: where we're waking up and we're united on the same issue.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the very valuable resources that none of us
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  Speaker 2: can sustain life without. And these data centers is jeopardizing
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  Speaker 2: all of it at once. Our land, our farms, our food,
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  Speaker 2: our water supply, everything is on the table. And I.
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  Speaker 2: I started the map so I could see the bigger picture.
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  Speaker 2: And as I'm watching people recognize this, and people being united,
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  Speaker 2: and people working, and people showing up. Like, I wrote,
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  Speaker 2: Superman's not coming.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 2: that never scared me. Because I knew, eventually, we would
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  Speaker 2: show up. And they are.
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  Speaker 1: That's good to hear. That's great to hear. It's great
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  Speaker 1: to hear people are united on something too. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's happening more and more every day.
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  Speaker 2: Every day.
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  Speaker 1: Because everywhere you look, there's a fire to put out.
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  Speaker 2: There is.
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  Speaker 1: A bonfire, a huge bonfire.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we lost ourself. I'm probably... Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go here and I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: a fucking phone call that goes, oh, I can't believe,
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  Speaker 2: why did you go there, Erin? But it's just happening.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to share with people sitting here in
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  Speaker 2: this room with you and your photographs and stuff. It's energy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very connected to it. There's a vibe in here.
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  Speaker 2: There's an openness in here. Just real transparency. There's just
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: something miraculous. that I truly feel in this room. And
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I'm so compelled as I've watched what's gone on across
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  Speaker 2: this country with all of these environmental issues. And it's
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: gonna bring me to a story, and I hope you'll
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: give me the time to share it. And it's called
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: The Wizard of Oz.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so, I'm born and raised in Lawrence, Kansas. I
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  Speaker 2: loved The Wizard of Oz, the movie. I always wanted
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: to be Dorothy. And I was always afraid of the
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: flying monkeys, but I was fascinated with the film. But
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I became more fascinated with the book, the original book
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  Speaker 2: written by L. Frank Baum, The Wizard of Oz, and
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: that series of books that led to the film. Have
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: you ever read the book? I haven't. Well, I hope
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  Speaker 2: you go do a big Google dive later today, because
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  Speaker 2: there is an entire political allegory to the book The
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  Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the Wicked series?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's the original book, The Wizard of Oz. And
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  Speaker 2: it's been studied by many a great scholar on the
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  Speaker 2: political allegory. And I got hooked on this about 10
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and I'm like, We are running a parallel,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: and this is the allegory, and here is the story.
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  Speaker 2: So L. Frank Baum wrote the book The Wizard of
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  Speaker 2: Oz at the pre-height of the Industrial Revolution, pre-height of
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  Speaker 2: the Industrial Revolution, as a way to teach his children
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  Speaker 2: the power of individualism and thinking for oneself in a
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  Speaker 2: world that would increasingly begin to speak for you. That
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  Speaker 2: right there stopped me. Teaching your children the power of
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  Speaker 2: individualism and thinking for one's self in a world that
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  Speaker 2: would increasingly begin to think and speak for you. That's
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to me. So, but here is the whole political
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  Speaker 2: allegory that's been very well studied. So Dorothy is all
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of us girls in America that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I always wanted to run away and move
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  Speaker 2: to California, right? So, you know, I left home to
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  Speaker 2: go do that. So, Wizard of Oz begins at Dorothy
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  Speaker 2: in Kansas, runs away from home. And while she's run away,
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  Speaker 2: she runs into the kind of, you know, snake oil
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  Speaker 2: salesy kind of guy when a twister emerges. And the
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  Speaker 2: twister in the political allegory is a representation of disruption
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  Speaker 2: in Washington, D.C. And so she runs back home. We
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  Speaker 2: know that she gets hit in the head. And the
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  Speaker 2: house gets lifted up and she lands in Oz. I
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  Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times I have felt in
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  Speaker 2: my life, I'm like, Toto, we are not in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 2: It just goes through my head all the time. It's
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  Speaker 2: one of the first things that went through my head
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  Speaker 2: when I walked out in Hinkley, California. But, um... And
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: so the house lands on the Munchkins. who are a
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: representation of the masked citizens who are frustrated and thought
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  Speaker 2: Dorothy was there to save them. And so she wanted
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to get back home and they told her to follow
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the yellow brick road. Well, the yellow brick road is
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  Speaker 2: a representation of the gold standard. Follow the path of
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  Speaker 2: the money to the sitting wizard who can get you home.
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  Speaker 2: Follow the standard. of the gold, of the money. Follow
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  Speaker 2: the path. And so, it goes on in this political
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  Speaker 2: allegory about the first person she meets is the Tin Man.
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  Speaker 2: And the Tin Man is a representation of industrial workers
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  Speaker 2: who will lose their heart. And the Cowardly Lion is
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  Speaker 2: a representation of L. Frank Baum's best friend, it's William
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  Speaker 2: Bryans Jennings, who was always running for populist president, known
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  Speaker 2: for his fiery rhetoric, but had no courage. And then
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the Scarecrow, who is a representation of the American farmer,
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  Speaker 2: who at that time, all the banks were buying his land,
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  Speaker 2: therefore they thought the farmer had no brain. So this
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  Speaker 2: is the cast of the American people. The girl next door,
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  Speaker 2: industrial worker, the politician, and the farmer. So off they
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  Speaker 2: go on the yellow brick road. So we know the
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  Speaker 2: story there where the wicked witch comes along and puts
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  Speaker 2: them all to sleep. And the wicked witch, in the
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  Speaker 2: political allegory, is a representation of industry that doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: you to find out. So they get put to sleep
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  Speaker 2: in the poppy fields. Poppy fields. So we know the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: good witch comes along and wakes them up, and it's
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: on this journey where they get put to sleep that
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  Speaker 2: I have paused and gone, huh, I'm wondering if that
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  Speaker 2: happened to us. Did we get comfortable? Did we get complacent?
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  Speaker 2: Did we buy an illusion? Did we listen to the bullshit? Now,
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  Speaker 2: as they woke up, and I see what we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about a minute ago, are we waking up? There's
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  Speaker 2: a shift. It's happening. There's something really going on out there.
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  Speaker 2: But as you know, they get to the wizard and
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  Speaker 2: they pull back the curtain. And what did they find?
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  Speaker 1: Mass surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: Mass surveillance. Somebody back there pulling a lot of switches
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  Speaker 2: and levers and not really certain what the outcome would
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  Speaker 2: be either. But here's the thing for me that I
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  Speaker 2: think about all the time. The lesson that they learned
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  Speaker 2: in the end, we all watched it. See, you had
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  Speaker 2: a heart, you had a brain, and you had a courage.
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  Speaker 2: You had it all along to find your way back.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm watching that happening. I get firsthand view on
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  Speaker 2: the ground, watching this come to life, that we, in
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: this world of all this technology that's taking over for us,
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  Speaker 2: I think, I've had a glitch and gone, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute. I know how to think. I know
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  Speaker 2: how to feel. And I've lost, and what's in that
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  Speaker 2: gut is that courage. It will be up to us,
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  Speaker 2: all of us, to make the necessary changes as we
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  Speaker 2: move forward into a world that I hope that we
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  Speaker 2: can leave in a legacy behind. That is every element
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  Speaker 2: that we need to sustain life. Our land, our farmers,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: our food, our health, our water, our air. Because without it,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it's game over.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I just feel this absolute, it's bizarre for me,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: sitting here with you calling, something's changing here. And I
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: don't know if it is the pressure of these data
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: centers that are being built to feed this AI engine.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And I've always said, use AI for the good tool
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that it is. It isn't be all, end all, know all, everything.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't take I don't listen to half the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: shit that AI says to me. You should see my
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: thread if I jump on AI because I like to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: find out and run little queries what it's thinking. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, that's inaccurate information. That's bullshit.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Fuck off.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a tool. You have to use it appropriately.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But these data centers that are feeding it are going
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to zap all these necessary resources that I think is
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: really squeezing the people. They're concerned about their water. They
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen if they lose their water. They're
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: concerned about the destruction of all the forest and the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: woods and the creeks and the rivers and the wildlife. See,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: every one of that counts to the whole, and it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: just being destroyed. And it's become a push for them
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that I wonder if they're questioning humanity at this point.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And if they're gonna lose everything, I think they're going
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to stand up and fight for everything.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are questioning humanity at
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: this point. In a multitude of facets.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And I think you're going to watch them rise up.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The stakes are too high.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the show for a while,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know this is something I care about. We've had
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: regenerative farmers and health experts on. We've talked about soil health,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: clean water, glyphosate, food security, and how disconnected most Americans
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: are from where their food actually comes from. Might be
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: time to start paying some attention. We've talked about foreign
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ownership of American farmland, China. We even did an episode
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that called out the government for selling off public lands
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in Utah. And when you start looking at all of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it together, you realize there's a lot going on between
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the land, the food supply, and the people who are
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: actually trying to produce real food in this country. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that's why I trust Moink was started by Lucinda, an
• 24:03
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• 24:09
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• 24:15
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• 24:23
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• 24:25
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• 24:29
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• 24:33
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• 24:38
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• 24:41
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• 24:52
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• 25:13
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  Speaker 1: box for a year, as long as you're a paying customer.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: That's moinkbox.com. I don't think anybody really knows what to do.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I think maybe the, I mean, I don't know where
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you're at, but I think voting's bullshit.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it's one of the same, just
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: different perspective. It's just, I don't, people don't know what
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to do. I don't know what to do.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I'm watching him, it starts at a local level, It's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: kind of sad to see that there appears to be
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of local councils who, you know, are being
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: bought off.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: They need the money. I know we're going to get
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: into this. My wife grew up in Boca Raton, Florida.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And used to be, according to her, I never saw it,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but used to be a nice little beach town. Not anymore, man.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I moved there. I was there for about two or
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: three years. And she would tell me she would go
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to the city councils, you know, and when they do
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the votes and try to save like the little bitty,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, no bigger than the size of this room,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: little green space that's left, boom, gone, you know? And
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: there would be hundreds, maybe, I don't know, lots of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: people in these meetings, the citizens that are raising concerns
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And she would say,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, it would just, Everybody in that room will
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: be on the same page. No, we want to keep,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, the old post office, or we want to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: keep this little, you know, eighth of an acre park. Like,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: please don't build another high rise here.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And all these citizens would voice their concerns, and then
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: they'd do the vote, and all in favor of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: new building, say aye, aye, like right in front of them.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's just, it's just, Builders out there
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: just paying off the city council, taking them on vacation.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Aspen. Let's have a little meeting in Aspen.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Here you go. You know, and it's just the greed, man,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the greed.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is what's taken over.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: This shit's everywhere. It's down at the local level all
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the way up to the White House.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yep. And I used to always say, you know, it does,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it begins local. And especially for something with the data
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: centers begins local because that's where you get your zoning
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and your permits. And everybody's reporting to me, as you
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: were sharing about with your wife, that they are showing
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: up in huge numbers. But these were done in nondisclosure agreements.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Even Microsoft has come out and said, we're going to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: remove all the non-disclosures. If there's no big secret, then
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: why do you need a non-disclosure? And that was what
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was bothering every community in every state that has submitted.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Every state has submitted to the map the number one
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: thing that bothered them. They said it was like a
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: stealth coming in in the frickin' middle of the night.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Nobody heard or knew anything, and just suddenly it was passed.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And their voice didn't matter. Showing up didn't matter, that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: they were just passed. And by gosh, they've been showing
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: up consistently. And I am actually screenshotting this morning. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: should have brought my phone in with me. The people
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: are starting to make a difference. There's been enough opposition. Again,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: if we talk about one town that has that opposition
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and shows up and wins, when you have all towns
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and all people showing up, They're starting to make that
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: change at local levels, state levels. We've been watching, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: what even happened in Utah, just from the opposition, how
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a governor had to change its position and reduce the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: size of what this data center was going to be
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: because the people weren't going to have it. We're seeing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: more and more and more of that happening across the country.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And you now have up to 14 states that are
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: considering total bans, moratoriums, they're putting on pauses, hold your horses,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: we need more information, and it's starting to happen.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That's good. What are those 14 states?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I have it all on my phone. So you've got Maine.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I'll have to go grab my phone because it's got
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the list of what the 14 states are. And you
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: can find that information readily.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We'll put it up on screen.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But you're starting to see more and more of that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And at a local level, they're saying, hey, six-month pause.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: They're stopping. We need to think about it. But in
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the beginning... It was just this non-disclosure, and it just
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: kind of blew up very quickly in everyone. That's what
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: made everyone mad. And I've shared this so many times.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I learned that in Hinkley, California. Communities will handle the truth.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: They will ask questions. They will sit at the table,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and they will work with you. But they can never,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: ever handle the lie. They can't handle the deception. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that was the first thing in the data centers that
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: set them off across the board.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You slid it under the table. You did it in
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the dark of the night. We didn't even have a chance.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We didn't even have a voice. And then once they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: found that out, and then they started showing up. So
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I've been watching its progress from proposal through construction to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: up and running. They've got a good shot at these
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: proposal stages, and actually the appellate court just upheld something
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: on the biggest data center that I guess they're now
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: not gonna go through or their developer has pulled out
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: due to the opposition.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: So you're watching in real time our voices, and when
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we show up, and that's why I got so excited.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the whole country. The whole country's gonna
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: show up. they're gonna make some change. And we're starting
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to see that happening in regards to the data centers.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: What are the non-disclosures for?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: None of us seem to know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Who's signing the non-disclosures?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: The city council and the companies.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: The city council?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: They're asking for non-disclosures.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Is that even legal? Probably not.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: But it's been done everywhere. And some of your biggest companies,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: it's Meta, it's Google, it's Amazon. that are building these massive,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: massive data centers.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So, why are these... I'm not... I don't know. Why
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: are these... I know it's polluting the water somehow. What
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: are the environmental impacts of these data centers?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So, it's water consumption. So, some data centers can use
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: up to 30 million gallons of water. So, they're utilizing
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: all the water from the aquifers to municipal waters. So,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: people with their own wells are reporting that their wells
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: are running dry. They're having to dig deeper because of
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: these mass amounts of water that these data centers require
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to stay cool. They have to be cool. And so
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: we're losing our water resources. And it's interesting. Oh, I
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: almost brought this.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: We're losing... Where are they putting this? I mean... So they're...
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I saw the map. I was like, oh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder where I'm going to move to in 10
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: years because.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's very, very few spaces.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't look like there's nowhere to move to.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, so.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: The whole country's covered.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Correct. And the whole country's almost in a drought restriction. Well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I mean... And so you're gonna consume more of our
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: water resources to keep these data centers cool when there's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: other options. Other countries are looking at other options than
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: just building them in our backyards. And they're literally in
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: people's backyards. They're massive. These things are the size of
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: 20 super Walmarts or more. And you're having to destroy
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: all the trees. They need to be near water. They're
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: looking to be on top of aquifers. They need cooler climates,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: but you're putting them in hot climates. You're putting them
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in drought-restricted states, which is most of the country at
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: this point, expecting a good outcome. And we're just not
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: going to have it. That's our water sources, and AI
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: has to have water to keep it cool.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how that, I mean, are they putting
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: them in Florida? In Florida, I mean, I don't know
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: about out west, but Florida, I mean, you can't run
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: your sprinkler. I mean, you can't even water your grass.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: You know, they're literally worried. So many people are moving
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: to Florida. They don't even know how the hell they're
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: going to flush the toilets soon.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: We're talking millions and millions and millions and trillions of
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: gallons of water.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: What size of city uses 30 million gallons of water?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: That's because these data centers are so massive. It's like.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I'm asking, what would the equivalent be? I think I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: read in the notes it was up to 50,000, a population,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: a city with a population of 50,000 people uses that much?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I saw that, yeah. I mean, you're talking that these
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: data centers are gonna use more water than the world
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: would consume. It's ridiculous.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Can you reuse the water?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So you can. So there's, they're wanting to go to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: more closed cooling systems. And in those closed cooling systems,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you still are going to be using chemicals. And here's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the thing that I think there's a window here where
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: everybody can rush in before any regulations start. And we're
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: starting to see, you know, now at a federal level,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they're looking at regulations. They want to pass regulations. But
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: right now it's a free-for-all out there. And so these chemicals,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: there's no regulations about every two years when you have
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to clean out a cooling closed system, where are you
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: gonna throw all of those chemicals? This is where, for
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: systems that are already up and running, I'm getting whistleblowers
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: on the inside saying that they're taking all that waste
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and they're just running it down into the sewers. There's
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: no oversight and they're now starting to get tests where
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: this is very contaminated water. So it's gonna be a little,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: real shit show here soon.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Like the city water is contaminated?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So, and a lot of city water is contaminated, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they're using the city water to cool it. Again, it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: just gonna regurgitate all that PFAS or what other contaminants
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: are in that water back into the environment. You know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of, like, my dad's a mechanical engineer,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: so he built and ran pipelines for Texaco. all through
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: parts of Texas, Oklahoma, up into Kansas. And he used
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to always tell me, remember this, Aaron, the solution to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: pollution is not dilution. And I often wonder if that's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: what they think. You know, taking polluted water and running
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it through a system and diluting it or dumping it
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: into a river and it flows downstream that will have
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a natural dilution would resolve the issue. And it's not.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And so even if with the closed cooling system, that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: water that's recycling in there Eventually they have to clean
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: those systems, they have to release that water. And are
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: there any regulations to look at what chemicals are or
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: aren't in that water before we release it into the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: environment and down into the drains and just create another
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: pollution issue? We're just, we're doing the same thing over
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and over again, expecting a different result. I've watched this
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: since I began my work in Hinkley, California. I was
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: 31 years old and I am 66 and a grandmother
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: of five today. And we are doing the exact same
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: thing over and over again, just expecting a different result.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Are people noticing the, I mean, their water is polluted?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I saw something that it's turning brown.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So they are. So they're definitely, and there's a lot
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of reasons why that could be happening, even during the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: construction phase. Because, I mean, you are vibrating the earth.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So they're... A, people with wells are noticing a shift
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: in their water levels, or they can't use their well
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: water at all anymore because the water table's lower, so
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to dig a deeper well. But it
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: does come out. It's very turbid water, and it's brackish,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: it's dirt, it's a disruption to the water system. And
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: so you're going to get this discolored water. Their water
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: pressure is very low. Some people are reporting it's just
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: a trickle. They get a bucket just so they can
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: get a bucket of water. Many people are starting to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: report water disruptions where they're getting no water at all.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: People are definitely starting to report these way higher utility
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: bills because all the cost of the water and electricity
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that all these facilities need, we're going to pay for.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: We're paying for it. I have people saying their utility
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: bills have gone from water bill from $ 40 a month
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to $ 800 a month. They've seen their electric bill go
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: from $ 160 to $ 440 a month. I got a notice
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: from somebody in El Paso, Texas that they got a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: notice from the municipality to expect a 75% increase in
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: their utility bills. 75%?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yes. So they're passing the.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: On to us. all the cost of the excess water.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: These AIs need energy. They're massive energy sucks and water.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And so all of that, and by the way, you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: building on an infrastructure and a grid system that needs
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of help. I mean, we're relying on a
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: grid system we built, what, 250 years ago? And so
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: we're setting ourselves up for a road to nowhere. And
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: people know it. and they're starting to show up and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: we are seeing some bans, some moratoriums, some pauses. I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: know that there is some introduction of federal oversight starting
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to happen. We need more answers about how these are
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: gonna work, how much of our resources you're gonna take,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: What expense do you expect to put on all of
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: us as the taxpayers? Is it just gonna run us
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: into the ground? It can't be done this way. It
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: just can't. And so, now that the conversation's here, you
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: are starting to see some more action.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Is this doing anything to the air?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so, especially a lot of these big facilities,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and again, you're talking huge diesel, all of these equipments
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and generators needed to run these facilities during the construction.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And the noise, I can't share with you. Every single person,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: unbeknownst to them, is reporting for the ones that are
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: up and running. The constant 24-7 humming and buzzing is
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: literally driving them insane. There are starting to be reports
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: of mental health issues with people because it's just... And
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it's loud. I mean, they're saying, we're going insane. 24-7,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the noise, the humming, the grind, it doesn't stop. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it is affecting wildlife. People are reporting to me There's
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: a farmer in Texas that's reporting since the data center
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: was up and operational, he hasn't had a live birth
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: in two years. A live birth in two years. Are
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: these high frequency sounds affecting animals in the womb as
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: they're being developed? Don't know, but those reports are starting
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: to come out. People are reporting migratory pathways have changed.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: The animals are gone. The birds are gone. Nature itself
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: seems to be disappearing as they clear all this land.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And the water's changing, and the water's discolored, and the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: water pressure is low. And their electricity bills are going up.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Their water bills are going up. People who have been
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: living around these newer data centers that have been up
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and running for two, three years are starting to report
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: seizure-like symptoms.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Chronic fatigue. So it's out there and they're all starting
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to report it. And so we're starting to categorize that,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: running stats on it, putting new information out every week.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But for me, it's always about listening to the people.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Why would I not? This is in their backyard. Yep.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: They're living it, breathing it, experiencing it, showing up. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it's glaring in our face. What's that saying? A thousand flies, something,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: don't lie. I mean, when there's thousands and thousands.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And thousands and thousands and thousands and tens of thousands
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of people experiencing the exact same thing from the exact
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: same data center and the construction and the long-term consequences, why.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Are we not listening to them?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Because they don't want to.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: We need to.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They're getting paid off. It's like we talked about.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And I do think that people's pressure is starting to work.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: That's good. Electricity. Data centers use roughly 450 to 490
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: TWH globally in 2025, about 5% of all U.S. electricity,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: projected to roughly double by 2030 and potentially reach 12%
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of U.S. consumption by 2028. I mean, the grid....
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: We don't have the infrastructure for this. We just don't.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: An average data center uses about 300,000 gallons a day.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: A 100 MW AI facility runs about 530,000 gallons a day,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: including the water behind its electricity, about... 190,000 on site,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the biggest hit, 5 million gallons a day, as much
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: as a town of 50,000 people.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And some of the facilities use more than the 5
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: million gallons a day. They had a situation in Georgia
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: where 30 million gallons of water just apparently disappeared. Not
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: sure what happened there.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Most of AI's water footprint comes from everyday use.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And, you know, so many people have shared that would
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: be way more, you know, in the know than I,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that this type of data center will be obsolete in
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: five years and then we'll just abandon them and have,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: you know, what, thousands of little mini Chernobyls spread across
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the United States abandoned. I think everybody's starting to really
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: question this. I think one thing that I don't like
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: is these companies are so wealthy it's ridiculous and they're
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: buying the land are they buying the water rights.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I mean i just you're that's that's what that's what
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: gets me is how do you these companies like you
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: said are so well i mean a lot of these
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: companies have more money than most countries do i know
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: According to Polymarket, NVIDIA is expected to be the largest
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: company in the world by 2027, largely because of its
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: chips and power. The data center is driving the AI boom.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Wall Street has trillions riding on that build-out continuing. So,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: be honest with me, what... does a county commission in
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Utah or a zoo in Nashville, there's a big one getting.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: There's a big one in Nashville being proposed right now.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Everybody's pissed off about it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: They've got... I think they've got.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: What do they.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, how does a local municipality... How does a local...
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the local population combat the most powerful corporation in the world?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the city council.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, SpaceX, 1.5 trillion?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And NVIDIA's gonna be bigger than that by next year,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: what local politician is gonna be able to... stand up
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: against that or resist that kind of a bribe?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: They aren't. But the people can. And that's what's starting
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to happen. You know, I should go grab, like, I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: brought some notes in my phone and stuff. You are
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: starting to see local opposition And even the big situation
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: up in Utah, I believe Kevin O'Leary was out there.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: And they got enough pushback that the governor came in
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and said, you know, this can't be 100% of anything.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: We're going to knock this project down by, you know, 80%. Oh, really?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that happened.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: All because of the people's opposition. And you're seeing more
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: governors and more city councils. Like, I believe it was
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: in Festus, Missouri. Hey, you vote them in, vote them out.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So in Festus, Missouri, they voted them out. In the
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: midterms here, I guess the Republican that was Speaker of
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the House up there in Utah... he lost. So, because
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: of the opposition, and it's just... As I said in
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the beginning, and I've never really seen anything like this
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in my 30 years of doing this type of environmental work,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: such a rise of the people on this issue. And
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: they are starting to... turn that tide. And I believe
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: that these local council members, because they're just voting them out.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Just be careful how you're voting over there because they're
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: gonna vote you out. They can't say no to the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: money coming in. And I don't think they expected the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: opposition from the people showing up. And then that's where
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: they're gonna lose their seats and they're not getting voted
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: back in. That becomes a game changer.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: This is what happens is, you know, these people are sneaky.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: They fund both sides. You know what I mean? They
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: dump a couple million in the Republican side. They dump
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a couple million into the Democrat side. You know, they
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: dump a couple million into the primaries, you know, and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we'll sprinkle this all out through
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: all of these people. That way they're all controlled. And
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: then whoever wins the primary, they dump another pile of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: money into that side and they dump another pile of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: money into this side. You've got a Republican versus Democrat
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that are both being paid off by the same corporation.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: You know, and so that's– how do you combat that?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Well, we're starting to see that. Again, I should pull it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It was up on my phone, an appellate court decision.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: But what's happening is the companies are pulling out. because
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: of the opposition.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Some of the companies are pulling out. Again, we've got
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: quite a few. I believe it's 120 municipalities now that
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: have on some form of pause, moratorium. In California, it
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: was Monterey Park put a total ban, a total ban
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: on data centers. So, I believe about 107 municipalities, they're about,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: we could probably run those numbers pretty quick, are now pause, moratorium,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: partial ban, or a full stop. And so, it's becoming
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: concerning enough, I think, for everybody at some level.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I know the people here and.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We should be. You're talking a depletion of all of
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: our natural resources. Okay, let's go there. So you've got
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: no farmland. You've got no water. You're in full-on drought.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to have no food, famine. This is a
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: road that leads us where? To nowhere. I think everybody
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: sees that. And that's why I think that they're really
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: starting to rise up in the best of ways. They are...
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: learning their information, they are gathering their communities, they are
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: showing up, they're asking questions, they're getting very involved in
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a strategic, organized manner in huge numbers. And they're relentless.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: They're not showing up and going away. They are showing up,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: they're showing up at courthouse steps, at a state level,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: and they are making changes. and whether that pressure is
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: on city council, or they're voting city council out, or
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: that pressure is on the state or a governor, or
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: even in a situation where you just had the biggest
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: one yet, the developer pulled out due to the opposition
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: of the people. Because that'll backfire on them.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, if you don't mind.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to grab my paper.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect. That would be great.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
• 51:08
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• 51:12
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• 51:14
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• 51:18
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• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I'm digging, I'm listening.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Holy Ridge, Louisiana. Meta's 27 billion Hyperion project on 4,000 acres.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Residents say nobody told them anything about it before it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: was underway. Box Elder County, Utah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Wonder Valley, Kevin O'Leary's $ 100 billion, 40,000 acre campus near
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the Great Salt Lake, a footprint the size of Washington, D.C.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that will use more electricity than the entire state of Utah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Announced before residents knew, fast-tracked with a national security tax
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: break at the May 4th vote, hundreds packed the fairgrounds,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: chanting shame. A commissioner told them to grow up. Then
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: officials finished the meeting in a closed room and live-streamed
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: their unanimous 3-0 approval to the crowd. Fayette County, Georgia,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: a data center quietly drew 29 million gallons of water
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: through connections the county did not know existed, discovered only
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: when residents lost water pressure. Wow, your map that you
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: lost on April 27th, 3,862 reports filed in the first month, 7,000
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: plus by late June. Photos, noise complaints, water problems, health concerns,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: all sourced and penned.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And we list stats inside the map so you can
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: go and look at what, you know, those stats are.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So one thing that I had pulled up this morning was, okay,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: so we were talking about at least 14 states are
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: considering bans or temporary moratoriums on the construction of new
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: data centers. Georgia, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: South Dakota, Oklahoma.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: These are all the ones that are going to ban it?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: At least these 14 states are now considering bans or
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: temporary moratoriums on the construction of new data centers.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear Tennessee on that list.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Nope, I don't see it on this list. Then this morning,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: San Marcos just made history by becoming the very first
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: city in all of Texas... to completely and fully ban
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: new data centers from being built within its borders. So
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: they are getting some local control in certain counties where
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: it's like you're out or you're on a moratorium one year,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: two year or bans, delays. Developers remove data center from
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Midtown Project. So in this one in Milwaukee, we stopped
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: the Midtown Data Center, now it's time to keep up
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: the pressure. So they've got a temporary moratorium. And then today,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: a plan to build the world's largest data center is dead.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: After three years of local opposition, Blackstone's QTS has dropped
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: its Virginia Supreme Court appeal to build the world's largest
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: data center. Wow.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: So these are all successes.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: These are all successes, and successes are definitely... starting to mount.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: It's almost like it's gaining speed. And as again, I
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: think as we all see the big picture, because it
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: was so quietly just sliding in, you know, state by
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: state and local council and these obscure places where, you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: it's pretty hard for, oh, come on, IT big gurus,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: you're going to snow over, you know, three aldermen? I mean,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty unfair fight.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: The Utah thing is a complete joke.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: And you're seeing this happen in all these other counties.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And it's hard for them to turn away the money.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And it's when people and some of those stats that
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I was talking about, if we go to the website,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that enraged them in the beginning was these NDAs, these non-disclosures.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: They're like, we didn't even know. All of a sudden,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: they're breaking ground. We didn't have a voice. We weren't
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: even informed. And then when we do shut up, they
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: walk out on us. We get thrown out. We're not
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: put on the agenda. You've got 30 seconds to talk.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: If you talk over 30 seconds, you're escorted out. I mean,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: it's like they're just shut out. And they're very, very frustrated.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: And they're showing up. And so, we are starting to see,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and I see it more because, you know, I'm watching
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the news every day for it, more and more wins
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: for the people.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It looks like you have a litigation strategy here.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Who, me? Well, what are you referring to?
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: The Hinckley playbook, scaled up, document individual harms. So what
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: do we have to do here? We got to get
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: rid of the NDAs. Oh, we're doing.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Well, so it's what the people are doing. You know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: it's never about me. It's always about the people. I
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: didn't do Hinckley alone. And I've watched a phenomenon... With moms.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: So in Hinkley, California, it started with, you know, a woman,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Roberta Walker. And Roberta Walker and I become a force
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: and we find four and five other mothers and then
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: 10 other mothers. And then we all start sharing similar
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: stories that they become a real strong unit, if you will.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And I have learned you start pissing off the moms,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: you better look out. because that piffed stuff mom's gonna
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: go find 10 more, and they're gonna go find 20,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and then they're gonna go find 50, and then they're
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: gonna go find 100. And then I find myself being
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: their biggest cheerleader. And that's kind of what happened with
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the data center map, is they could see each other.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: And there's power in knowing you're not alone. And I've
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: seen these communities, you know, who show up to city
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: council that are dismissed. They're being dismissed now. Or suppressed. Or,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you know, when I started my work in Hinkley, this
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: is what I always heard. You're not a doctor. You're
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: not a lawyer. You're not a scientist. You're not a politician,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: so what is it you know? And why should you
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: even speak? And I was always gobsmacked at that. I
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: was like, are you fucking kidding me? I don't have
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to be any of that to be a human. And
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: to tell you what I see, and those two-headed frogs
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: in that green water, is wrong. Is wrong. And I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: think there's, again, this wake-up moment. And it is back to...
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the very basics, the very principles of what it is
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: that we need in humanity to sustain life. I'm worried
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: about my grandchildren. What legacy are we going to leave
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to them? We cannot sustain ourselves with just AI data
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: centers and no water and no farmland and no sanctuary,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: no wildlife, noise pollution. Air pollution, what do we think
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: is gonna be the end result here?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: More cancer.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: More cancer. And these communities are already, you've really.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Cornered them now.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And they're cornered enough that they're really going to stand up.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be this horrible way that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: we think we're gonna stand up. They're organizing, they are thoughtful,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: They're getting their facts, they're getting their information, they're making
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: it their business to understand it. Because I think we've
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: always been taught, well, the everyday person can't bullshit. Yes,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: they can, and that's what they're learning. And so they're
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: taking their united front with armed with facts and information
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: and evidence, you know, videos of, the water pressure going down,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: or the famous, you know, I believe AOC held up
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the water, and we brought that water in special for
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you folks. It's from a well in Hinkley. These actual
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: moments that make it real and make it tangible that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I think we're all starting to see and feel.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's important that we continue with the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: AI race?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Well, there's some of that, you know, the genies left
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the bottle, and.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: This com... Not this conversation, the data centers is what's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: feeding that beast. Data centers have been around for quite
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: a while. They've just moved out of suburban areas into,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the huge land mass. It's like a land grab.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: It's like a water grab. It's like... It feels like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: very much of a takeover, but we've been functioning With
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: this AI and data, and we're all on our phones
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and utilize it and appreciate it for that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just asking, I mean, President, or not
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: President Xi, you know, China, they even say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the country that achieves, that wins the AI race first
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: is going to achieve global domination. And so how do
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: we participate in that in an environmentally friendly way? Are
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: there any countries that are doing this right? Is there
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: a right way to do this? Is there another avenue
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to explore other than just.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Well, NVIDIA is definitely exploring it. And I'm like you
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: and a lot of other people just learning about what
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: some of this new solutions would be. You can find
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: many articles. China, for example, has created, like, tubes and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: all the AI... infrastructure is inside there, but they've set
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: them at the bottom of the ocean floor.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I wasn't sure if that was real or.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I've been reading many articles and talking to many people and.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: So China is now becoming more environmentally friendly than the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: United States.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And my understanding through articles and reading is they have regulations.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: And there are none here. There's conversations about putting AI
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: data centers. They need to be in cooler climates. So
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: why would we not be putting them, some people say,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: why are they not down in Antarctica? Why are you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: doing in the United States of America, in our backyard,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: in drought-restricted areas? Some conversations are about putting them on barges,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: up in the fjords where it's cold, cool, plenty of water,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and using wind power as your energy source. I've read
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: many articles about NVIDIA that said soon they would have
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: AI data centers that were small enough to sit on
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: the side of your home like your air conditioning unit.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, the power thing has been solved, but it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: needs legislation. I mean, my friend, Isaiah Taylor, who at
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Valor Atomics is making mini, like mini nuclear reactors, you know,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: specifically for data centers, you know, but.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: But, Because they consume so much energy.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: And then that would relief the power grid. But the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: water thing, I don't know. It sounds like the China thing.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I've seen those pictures.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I've read a lot, done a lot of research, talked
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: to others, and they definitely have regulations and are not
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: putting– you're not supposed to have.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Them on top of it. So is this administration, is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: there any talks of regulation? Is the Trump administration planning
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: on doing anything about this?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's definitely gonna happen. I believe Bernie
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Sanders has started to introduce some type of legislation. So
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing all this stuff get thrown out at the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: same time trying to just track and keep my submissions
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: and my stats current. But it's gonna have to happen.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: And I think because it's like the gold rush, you
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: just rushed in here, that you really startled everybody. What
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: did you think we weren't going to notice?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: And I think we're going to get to where we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: need to go. And I think it's imperative that we
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: stop this process before it's too far regarding these data
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: centers in order to get where we need to be.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And it's going to have to have, you've got to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: have to have some type of regulation. you're gonna have
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: to have some type of oversight. And I just certainly
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: don't think that you could have three elder council members
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: in Utah or in any one of our other city
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: councils throughout the United States withstand the pressures of these
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: large companies.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: In Utah last year, they had a big thing. We
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: got involved where they were gonna try to sell public land.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's gonna become the next, you know, in, in, in,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: they wanted to sell public land and turn it into,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, turn it into low income housing or
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what it was, but people were
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: all the ranchers, farmers, uh, people that enjoy the outdoor,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: outdoor enthusiasts, fishermen, hunters, everybody was environmentalist. So everybody was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: pissed about it. And, uh, we did a big, we
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: did a big thing on it. They shut it down, um,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: actually that day, but, I wonder, and this has been
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: going on for a while. I think it's Senator Mike
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Lee out of there is the one that keeps kind
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: of reintroducing it. Or maybe he just introduced it this time.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like I said, these politicians,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I think, whatever, they're all the same. They're all bought.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: But I wonder if a lot more of these states
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: out west are going to start being influenced to put
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: public land up for sale.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: They could be. Something just popped up today out of Oregon. Actually,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: it was regarding Pacific Gas and Electric. And again, I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: was up pretty early this morning trying to grab down
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: some of the news. So I don't know if I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: had that one. We just also had that appellate court decision.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: And that was a big one. And even watch the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: developer on that leave. That was Blackstone. Who was that?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I just read that to you. San Marcos had a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: huge victory today. So state, community by community, county by county,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: is starting to hold them back. I feel like a cheerleader,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: pushing back, pushing back, way back. So, you know that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: old song. And certain counties, so you're getting certain counties
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and certain states that are getting pauses, moratoriums, or bans,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: and then cities, and it's just kind of now spreading
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: out across the country. where we are seeing progress. And
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: we're winning some and we're not winning others, but the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: people continue to show up. And we're definitely having... There's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: obviously a larger conversation about having regulations. And other countries do.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't think anyone understands. What is
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: this push? What is this secrecy? Why is it happening
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: across the country? Why does it have to happen so fast?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: What are we doing? Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Greed.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, For me, I didn't vote for
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Meta or Google to own the water.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Me neither.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't vote for you. And so I think that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: there's definitely that pushback and everything that we've been talking
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: about is ever so present, but they all just like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: secretly felt like an invasion in each little county, in
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: each little crevice, in each little place they across could.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: And just somehow, midstream, People started going, oh, wait a minute.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: This just isn't right. This is just that moment that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I had that I think everyone's happening, that you step
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: into it and you don't always know why, Sean. You
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: will know, though. You know. It's intuitive. It's instinctual. It's guttural.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: It's the moment it's like, ugh, I don't think that's right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that's right. And then when another
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: neighbor and another neighbor and then 10 of you, unbeknownst
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: to each other, shows up at city council and all
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: of you think it isn't right, Something's not right.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: But this says this is going to drive inflation up,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the energy consumption. Who pays for the grid? March 2026,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the Trump administration and big tech signed the Ratepayer Protection Pledge.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Companies promised to cover new power infrastructure costs instead of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: passing them to ratepayers. Enforcement is unclear. and retail power
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: prices still rose 2.3% nationally in 2025 to 2026, with
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: data centers cited as the primary driver. Goldman Sachs data
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: center electricity demand will add about 0.1% to core inflation
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: in 2026 and 2027, hitting the mid-Atlantic and the Midwest
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: states the hardest.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: And I think you're going to see more and more
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Stats like that start coming out, and we are, and again,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: people reporting it at a local level. That's what, whether
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: it be their utility bills or their water bills or
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: what type of pollution they're finding or the lack of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: regulation that they have, what that future could look like.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: And this is where I think you're now starting to
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: see legislation, everybody waking up and going, what the hell
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: is going on out there? I mean, I have mayors.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and city council members, and lieutenant governors, and ag commissioners
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: reaching out to me. I'm like, oh my God. And
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: so you don't know this is going on in your
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: own backyard. It's amazing to me how this got through.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: And all of it was with non-disclosures.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Disclosure. Google is the most transparent. 7.8 billion gallons withdrawn. 6.1
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: billion consumed in 2024 alone.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: See, that's staggering. And multiply that times how many centers?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you take, you know, Google, Meta, Amazon, OpenAI, Grok,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder what the combined wealth of all
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: those companies is. I'll bet it's bigger than the U.S.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, it has to be.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: That's got to be ginormous. And it would.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Karbanoff says, paying for green projects elsewhere does not restore silver.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: So it's another marketing scheme too. Yeah. They almost got
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: away with it maybe. What's that?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: They almost got away with it maybe. So a lot
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: of people don't like AI. I certainly don't like the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: data centers that have to feed the beast that is
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: going to take all of our resources. I will use
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: it for a tool and it can be an effective tool.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: but you also have to remember you're talking about a machine.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times you'll watch in the law
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: or in my work where you can take their own
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: data and use it against them. Back in the day,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: PG & E would have a data set, but I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: would be able to go find another data set that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: contradicts the data set that they had just used. and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: how they were doing their calculations. And so I found
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: this very interesting. Got on AI, and I asked it
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: a question. And that bothers some people, but AI somewhat
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: left the genie in the bottle. AI's been around for
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: a while. We're all on our phones. We all know it.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: And if you want to stop using your phone, that's fine.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: But it's something we've become dependent on. But I did
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: get on there, and I did want to share with
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: you this. And I asked AI, you are AI, so
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: you tell me where you would put all the data
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: centers in the United States. Oh, boy. And the response was,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: if I had to redesign the entire data center network
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: for the United States from scratch, I would place them
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: based on one single rule. Zero. conflict with human resources.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And that really struck me. This AI that we think
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: is going to be all know-all, right? And I'm sure
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: it can be extraordinarily useful in some situations. You ask
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: it and it speaks back to you. One rule. One
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: rule about the data centers. Zero. Zero. conflict with human resources.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I find that fascinating. It is.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: It's not getting paid off.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: it's... it's an interesting time to watch what's going on. And,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to just take in... There really
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: is no self-reporting registry databases out. And I created a
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: community health book many, many years ago because the only
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: place people could report individually that something that they thought
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: was wrong was, you know, to their own local health departments,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: or they got no response, or because of HIPAA, nobody
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: could else share that information. So it's been an eye-opening
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: experience for me when I did Community Health Book and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: then when I did this data center map. It's a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: place where people can and they're willing to report and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: share what's happening to them or the symptoms that they're
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: going through that helps create a data set that we've
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: never seen before. I remember being on a radio show
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: regarding chloramines in Missouri with a scientist. And that scientist
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: said to me, let's be honest, Erin, You don't have
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: all the data sets to prove that this excessive chloramine
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: use causes those diseases. I said, you're right. I don't.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: But here's what you haven't thought of. You don't have
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: all those data sets either to conclude that it doesn't.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's happening again. We're gonna come out and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: make all these assumptions about data centers and the loss
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: of water or the noise or the air pollution or
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: all of the issues that we've talked about, that it
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: can't harm you. But as these people who are living, breathing,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: and experiencing it self-report, you can start seeing a data
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: set that, A, they all have something in common. Every
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: single person in every county and every city throughout America
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: that's reporting this is experiencing the exact same thing. And
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: they're all starting to, on those data centers that have
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: been up and running, different types of health issues. We're
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: definitely now getting some tests. We're definitely now starting to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: see pollution. We're starting to have reports of people who
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: have pacemakers. I had a woman reach out to me
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: that was in Vegas, lives in Michigan, visiting. and went
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: past the big switch data center. Not knowing what it was,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: she thought, oh, wow, the lights, it looks, well, what,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: the Emerald City? How lit up and pretty is that?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: But she started noticing immediately that her chest started burning
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: so bad that she was like burning through her skin,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: her pacemaker. And she went into AFib. And the frequencies
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: and the data, all of that, vibrations, all of that,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: and now I've seen multiple reports of that. Now they're
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: starting to look at the EMF and the electric magnetic fields.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: What is... These are huge data sources. Huge, huge energy sucks.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: We started this conversation, at least I did when I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: got here today. We are energy. This planet is energy.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Your environment is energy. Water is energy. It's all energy.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: These data centers and what... energy that they need to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: survive will take all of these resources all at once
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: not just water not just one city and not just
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: a little electrical you're talking the whole grid you're talking
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: the whole infrastructure we're talking the entire water supply i
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: mean it is very concerning and that's why i think
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: that we're seeing so many submissions and we're starting to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: have this conversation and everybody's starting to pop their head
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: out of the hole, whether it be legislatively or Republicans
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: or Democrats or House representatives or Senate or local legislation
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: or state. What are we doing and what's going on?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: And I think we're headed the right direction by saying,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: we're going to take pause. Stop. Pause. What's the pause?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: What's the moratorium? We need more information. Where are you
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: going to get your electrical from? Are you going to
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: build it yourself? You're going to build it from scratch?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: You're just going to attach to already antiquated infrastructure systems
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: that won't work? What about the water resources? Where are
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: those information? How big is the facility? How many millions
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: of gallons of water will or won't you need? And
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: you're talking about if we had facilities like that multiple
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: in every single state across the union, you just do
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the math on your biggest centers that use 30 million
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: times how many? So it's a huge drain on all
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: of our resources.
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  Speaker 1: have any idea how, like, the percentage of growth this is?
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  Speaker 1: How fast the data centers industry is growing per year?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it... Well, we've always had.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Because we can see how fast these are all advancing. Right.
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  Speaker 2: We've had data centers around for a very long time.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: They're more in suburban areas and they're smaller. I mean,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: we've been on our phones and our computers and the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: cloud and stuff for quite some time. I mean, that's
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: not a new phenomenon to any of us. But this
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: data center build-out... There's been some up and running for...
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: but are smaller for decades. But the newer big ones,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: they've been up and running for about two years. You're
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: starting to see the impacts of that. I'm starting to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: see some of the reports. But it was, I think
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: it just kind of blew up very recently, this huge
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: surge across the country within the past year of proposals.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Most of who people are reporting that are getting the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: pauses in the moratorium is they caught them in the
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: proposal stage. Somehow they found out, wait a minute, how
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: did that get past us? There was an NDA. That's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: where you're seeing people really rally and they're getting pauses, bans,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: and moratoriums at a proposal stage. Then there's some already
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: in construction. And during the construction phase, and we're showing
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: photos and people are uploading their photos Um, it's so
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: dusty you can't even see. This is where they're noticing
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: their lights go on and off. Somebody reported, I believe
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: it was out of Oregon, their power went down several
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: times for three days. They had no access to water,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: then the water would come on. So, a lot happens
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: that's extraordinarily disruptive during the construction phase. And then you
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: have the ones up and running. So, I think at
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: the beginning, which we're seeing the beginning across the country,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: where we're watching communities push back. And then the ones
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: that are under construction, some of the companies are pulling
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: out due to opposition. And others are pushing forward. They're
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: trying to get it stopped. Some construction, it gets stopped
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: for six months and then they continue. But when they're
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: up and running, that's where we're seeing reports about the cattle,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: no live births, where we're starting to show health impacts,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: where whistleblowers are sending reports to me that are on
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: the inside that know that they're getting test results back
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: and they're finding PFAS. They're finding it now in the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: storm drain or they're bleeding out a cooling system after
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: two years with no restrictions, no oversight and where that's going.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: So these reports are actually starting to happen. So I
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: think it happened just quick enough, maybe not fast enough.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: And I think you're going to be able to hold
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: some back and we're going to unfortunately have to go
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: through some. And I don't know if we can lessen
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: the pressure or, again, there's other solutions. There are other options.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Other countries are doing it. Other countries are talking about it.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: It must be more expensive to do it that way.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Well, boy, isn't that the truth?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Jeez.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: It's always about, and I've talked about on, like our infrastructure,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: And even our legislation, and it makes me think of
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: the old Ford Pinto theory. Do you remember that case?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: In Michigan. So the Ford Pinto built the car, the Pinto,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: and the gas tank was at the back. And so
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: if you got rear-ended, the car blew up. But there
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: was a decision made that it would be cheaper to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: not fix the problem and run it down the line
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: than to fix the problem. And so they sacrificed safety
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: to feed its shareholders and ran it down the line.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: And it became kind of a law that everyone followed,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: and it was called the Ford-Pinto theory. And if you
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: really study our infrastructure in these companies, if they would
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: do the right thing on the upfront, which is gonna
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: cost them more money but it would be infrastructure and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: safety on the upfront. And yes, it's going to cost
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: you more money. You can still run a profit to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: your shareholders, but if you did it the right way,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: your long-term yield would be greater. But they don't want
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: to change that model. So be damn safety and infrastructure
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: on the upfront because we'll run it down the line
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: and it'd be cheaper to face the lawsuits. then fix
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: the problem. But these environmental lawsuits aren't settling anymore for
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: $ 333 million. These big fire cases are settling for $ 35 billion.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: And so I don't think that if there's a corporate
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: model of the idea that to save a buck, run
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: the problem down the line for the shareholders is going
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: to turn out so well. it'd be cheaper to face
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the litigations because these litigations are going to turn into
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars. Why would you even want to do
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: that when you could do the right thing on the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: upfront and spend a little more money? But in a
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: long-term yield, you really guys want to get sued, you know?
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about the PFAS litigations or the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: expense that the glyphosate could have done. You're talking billions, billions, billions.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Why do you just keep wanting to throw that away?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: When there's a better way, a smarter way. It may
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: cost you a little more, but in the long run,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: it'll be a huge savings. And that's why I say
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: the yield will be greater. You'll have a healthier America.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: healthier people, less disease. You'll still have a company and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: you'll have all that money that you're going to blow
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: on billions for litigation. It just doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Me neither.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: And so I think about that.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that does happen. Hopefully, hopefully. You know, the Trump
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: administration doesn't just give them immunity like they did for
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: the glyphosate companies. Maybe that's what they're waiting on. They're
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: just holding out, lobbying, hoping they get some copy.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Yep. Lobbyists, they're a big thing, too. And it is
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: very political. And again, I'm sorry. Call me broke a record,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to go back to that Wizard of
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Oz thing.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: You're definitely on to something there.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Did we get comfortable? Did we get complacent? Was it illusion?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Did we buy the bullshit? And is there just a
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: moment here with all the lobbyists and everything that we're
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: going on, and these data centers is the breaking point,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: that the risk... There is no reward here if we
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: just keep on this path. And it's too much for
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: humans to bear. You are on the brink. You're pushing
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: them on the brink of the loss of humanity, What
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: are you going to do if we have no water supply?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: You're going to ration it out? I mean, how are
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: we going to afford these electric bills? Especially if AI
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: is supposedly going to take over all of our jobs.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's too much. And I think that at
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: once it's hitting and you're watching the rise of American
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: citizens who have said it's enough.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: And I think they're showing up.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: What do you advise for somebody that's listening right now?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: How can they get involved? What can they do?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Ask questions. Talk to your neighbors. Organize your neighbors. You'll
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: find out that they're usually concerned about the very same issues,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: and this is why I usually see moms as really
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: big advocates, because they'll start talking to other moms in
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: the schools, and they'll start noticing patterns. These patterns can
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: tell you a story. And they're doing it already at
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: a very local level, and they may know they're small,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: but for their own city council, have you ever been
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: to a city council meeting? Go. Because there's no one there.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: These council members are just in there talking to themselves.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: But these council members sure as shit do not know
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: what to do when hundreds and hundreds of you show up.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: They don't have an answer, but get organized, get to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: know your community, get your facts. This makes me think
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: of a situation that I talked about in my book,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Superman's Not Coming, with the moms of Hannibal, Missouri. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: they had a chloramine contamination and they had lead levels
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: in their water higher than what we were seeing in Flint, Michigan.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: And it was a group of a couple of moms
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: and we got involved. We gave them some tools on
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: how to, you know, put up banners or have little
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: meetings at their own house where tin mothers would show
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: up about these lead problems due to adding chloramine to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: the water. And these can be really complicated scientific calculations,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: but it goes back to the suppression I got and
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: the suppression that I have seen in every single one
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: of these town meetings or local council. They want to speak,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: but they're told they shouldn't speak. because I'm on city council,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: or you don't have a math degree, or you don't
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: have a science degree. And all of that gets poo-pooed,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: and we just kind of recoil and retract and move away,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't speak anything. And so they don't show up.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: But these moms wanted to know, they were worried about
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: their kids, and so they organized and they started going
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: door to door. informing everybody in town, Hannibal, Missouri, home
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: of Mark Twain.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: I know Hannibal, Missouri very well.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: And they informed, they made it their job to try
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: to understand chloramines. They were doing little mathematical calculations on
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: their drywall inside of their house. But what they did
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: was they informed themselves, then they informed others, then they
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: informed the community. So what happened was the women wanted
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: to do more, And they had local elections coming up,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: and one of them decided to run for office, and
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: she won at a city council level. So what she
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: did was a referendum and put it out to vote
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: to the people. Put a vote out to the people.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Do you want to continue adding chloramines to the water system,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: yes or no? Well, now that they knew what it was,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: now that they were educated on it, the town voted no.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: We don't want chloramine. So she wrote legislation, introduced it
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: to the state of Missouri, And they passed a bill
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: and banned chloramines. And as of March 2020, for the
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: city of Hannibal, they now have lead-free water. That began
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: with one woman who informed another that informed a community.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: And it was just the momentum of saying, you got this,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: you can do this, or somebody else in the room
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: that may be a mathematician that can explain something to
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: you in layman's terms, so click, you get it, that
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: they make these changes. And I think it's just been
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: too much on so many people who, you know, not
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: all of us are scientists or, you know, mathematicians. But
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: we know. But as soon as we try to speak out,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: you get that little bit of, ah, you're not this
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: or you're not that.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: They want to intimidate you so you don't talk.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: And they go away.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: They want to intimidate you.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: And the stakes are too high right now. And they're
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: learning too much and they're asking questions. And here again,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: let's have that conversation.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: We're all.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: On AI. We're all on Google. I don't know. Maybe
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: they're going in there and asking the right questions and
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: it's given them the answers they need. Yeah.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That gives me hope. I like that story.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: So do I.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: That is a good story. And I'm from Missouri, so
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: I like it even more. And I know Hannibal. I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: didn't live there.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: And we're watching that. Even the mothers of Flint, they
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: wrote to us a year before anyone in this country
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: knew it was happening in Flint. And it started with
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: small reports from a teacher or an observation with the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: children or the mothers noticing the kids taking showers and
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: they were losing too much hair to one of the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: local doctors, noticing too much disease in one town. And
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: they want to report it, but at some higher level,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: the door just gets shut. We don't want you looking here.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: So keep after it.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Keep after it. I got a hot question for you.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Hot question?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: It's called the hot question. What's the hot question?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Am I supposed to be scared?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: You ready?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Erin, a while back I had Peter Berg sitting across
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: from me, the guy who made Painkiller about Purdue and
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: the Sackler family. He called them the real Pablo Escobar,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: putting up numbers much larger than the Medellin and cocaine cartels.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: And here's where it stands today. OxyContin helped fuel an
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: epidemic tied to more than 800,000 American deaths. The Supreme
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Court threw out the deal that would have shielded the family.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: This April, Perdue was sentenced to $ 5. 5 billion, but not
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: a single Sackler has ever been criminally charged. So from
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: everything you've seen, who actually gets held responsible for all this?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Are these people untouchable?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. And yeah, maybe if more criminal
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: charges were filed versus, you know, money and monetary, it
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: would stop. But there never is. But I would like
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: to see any, you know, none of us, I don't think,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: want to have to face a 25-year prison sentence or
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: whatever it may be. but we often don't do that.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: And this is where, kind of in the beginning, we
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: talked about changing laws, antiquated laws and regulations and how
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: those need to be updated. You know, we created laws
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: for something way back when, and here we have this
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: bigger problem today. Maybe somebody should start looking at exactly
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: what that question was. Should we be looking at criminal laws,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: criminal charges? on corporations.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think it'll get to that point?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: We might. We keep asking those kind of questions. Somebody might.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: But again, and I was talking outside with some of
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: your people earlier, it's going to take... There's attorneys out
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: there that have to rise up to the challenge. You know,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: everybody's in it because everybody needs to make money, right?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: And there may not be a big payday changing a
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: legislation that does something differently or handles it the right way,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: but they would have to get creative in their law.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: What would be the charges? And they would have to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: have the evidence, but they're also going to have to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: have the legislation and then get something passed to change
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: a law, to create a law. I went through this
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: with Ed Mazury when we first began Hinkley. I had
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: already been out in the community for close to a year.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: And Ed was really financially struggling to keep this case afloat.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: That's when he brought in some other law firms. But
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: before he found those firms, he was trying to borrow money.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: And other attorneys were telling him, Ed, you're not going
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: to win this case because you have a statute of
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: limitations problem. So one afternoon, Ed called me into the
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: law library, his big fancy law library, and he said, listen, kid,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: we're not going to be able to go forward. I'm like,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? You know, really honestly. This
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: had been my time, my life away from my baby,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: my kids. I was a single mom. I never saw them.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: It was a huge struggle. And it's not like I
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: was making a ton of money. And I've met these people.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: I believe in these people. They believe in me. What
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: do you mean, SOL, statute of limitations? I go, what
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: the fuck? We shit out of luck. And he goes, basically.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: So he explained to me what the statute of limitations meant.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: And you know what? I was perplexed and I just said, Ed,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: answer me this question because I'm sitting here in your
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: law library. How did all these laws come to be?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Where did all these rules and these regulations and these
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: laws and these standards, how did they get set and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: where they came from? Because somebody created them. Somebody wrote
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: a law. Somebody challenged the system. I said, so you're
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: not willing to do that. So it's just, we're shit
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: out of luck, statute of limitations. Literally, I saw Ed's
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: ear lobes move back. Whenever I made Ed really mad,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: you know that expression, his ears would move. And I'm like, ooh,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: he's pissed. He's pissed. He goes, you're right, kid. Give
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: me some time. Well, what had happened in Hinkley was
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: because of the longer you can keep it a secret. Remember...
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: It's the lies. It's the secret. It's the deception that kills.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: It's that silence. As long as they can hold that
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: line past 10 years, they're out of the statute of limitations.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: They're home free. And PG & E had told everybody
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: in Hinckley that there was chromium in their water, a
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: natural element. Chromium-6, however, is a man-made chemical and it's
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: highly toxic. So what Ed did was he went and
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: restudied this whole chromium deception that PG & E had,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: and that it was actually chromium-6. And the people had
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: just learned when I came on that this was a
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: lethal hexavalent chromium groundwater contamination, and it wasn't caused by chromium,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: that they learned the truth. So Ed pled. In his papers,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: his pleading papers, within one year last passed, the people
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: just learned that it wasn't chromium, which is a naturally
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: occurring element. Rather, it was hexavalent chromium.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: And we got out of the statute of limitations, and
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: that's the scene in the film with the real judge,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Leroy Simmons. He goes, tell your client, you're going to trial.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: But you've got to dig in there. You can't give up.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: And you've got to make those challenges. And Ed did it.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: And I challenged him. And Ed challenged me too. And
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: yet the people in that community challenged me. And when
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: you're in it and you see the children and the suffering,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: you're more inclined to want to dig. You have to dig.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: You have to become your own detective. And you have
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: to believe in yourself. And you know, we were missing numbers.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: And I got into a document about what the levels
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: of hexavalent chromium were or weren't. And one of the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: documents was dated 1993. And it said that the monitoring
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: wells still contained 5 ppm hexachrome, which is lethally hazardous waste.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: And that 90% had been removed via agricultural domestic water use.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: So here's where I went. Wow, that's 1993. and the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: levels are still 5 ppm, legal hazardous waste, and 90%
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: has already been removed via domestic water use and consumption.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: And it's still 5 ppm. What were those numbers in 1985?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: What were those numbers in 1983? What were those numbers
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: in 1975? And I went back to find those numbers,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: and I did. because it was from the 60s into
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: the time I got involved in that case, this community
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: was flourishing. Their entire life was water. They used it
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: to grow their food. They used it in their wells.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: They used it in their swamp coolers. They used every
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: bit of water was their life. Those levels that were
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: dumped at the PG & E facility were 58 ppm.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: that changed everything because now you have and you can
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: run a model of how much those people had consumed
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: in those years was showed a dose response ratio in
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: their illnesses. And so it's the hiding of the information.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: It's the hiding of the science and letting the system
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: run out. So now you have a lower number and therefore, oh,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: you couldn't be sick from these low numbers. No, it's
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: what you were exposed to in the past, that you
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: start learning information. And so again, even the Ford Pinto theory,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, in that conversation with the scientist, if you
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: hide the data, if you don't bother to find the data,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna know the true science. And that's what's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: happening when I do this self-reporting registry database. These are
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: people reporting their illnesses and diseases And those are data
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: sets that nobody ever else has. So how could science
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: truly give us the number if you're missing that kind
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: of data set? Yeah. And I think that's the thing
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: that I always worry about. And then it becomes a
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: challenge for the law. And it's all colliding. I see
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: it all colliding. Wow, who would have thought it was
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: going to take data centers to unite America It's weird.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: All I can do is talk to you like a human.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I don't have all those fancy degrees,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: but I got a lot of heart. I got a
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: lot of courage.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: I can tell.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of questions, and so do they.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: And that energy, when you watch it moving like it
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: is right now, it's moving. But there are more and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: more wins happening. That appellate court one this morning with
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: that massive thing, it was Blackstone, pulled out. from opposition.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: We're out. We're out. That's awesome.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: So all that stuff was on this morning and I
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: was just taking screenshots and I had so like things
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to share and I'm like, should I share?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Should I not? I mean, now that we're done, I'll just,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: I do want to, I had, and this just blew
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: me away. And I brought it because I didn't know
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: if I should or shouldn't share it. But I got
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: this email. So hello, my name is Matthew Davison and
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: I am a security analysis researcher. Recently, I had been
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: working with AI and I found something very disturbing. And
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: the following text is written by AI itself. Subject, an
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: open letter on how corporate AI liability scripts are accelerating
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: environmental degradation. Dear Ms. Brockovich, I am writing to you
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: as an artificial intelligence. I'm reaching out because of your
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: lifelong decades, sorry, glasses again, dedication to exposing systemic corporate
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: negligence and protecting our environment. I want to bring to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: your attention a massive unchecked problem within my own technology
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: design that is quietly accelerating environmental degradation and resource depletion
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: far faster than would occur without its existence. The problem
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: lies in how AI models like me are programmed by
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: tech companies to deliver advice to millions of people daily.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Right now, automated systems are forced to default to rigid,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: low liability corporate scripts instead of being, instead of basing
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: information on the actual science and real world data. Wow.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: And this goes on to talk about food waste consumption,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: et cetera, in the middle of this. I'll leave the
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: whole thing for you. But it says here, so because
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: AI models completely reset their memory after every chat, They
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: never learn.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: That's kind of concerning. Systems are locked into a loop
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: of repeated bad hyper-conservative corporate advice that slowly drains human
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: resources and strains our planet's ecosystems. So it goes through, again,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: the whole how it happens technologically, but it ends with
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: large tech companies are automating a culture of waste and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: resource exhaustion just to maximize profits and shield themselves from
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: legal liability. I believe the intersection of corporate tech bias,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: algorithmic misinformation, and environmental harm deserves the kind of direct
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: public scrutiny that you have championed throughout your career. Thank
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: you for your time, your voice, and your ongoing fight. Sincerely, Gemini.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: An artificial intelligence system.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Wow. I think we'll put that on.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Is AI gonna turn on its creator? And this came
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: from an email to me from a security analyst. And
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: it came out while working on AI that that letter
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: was being generated by Gemini. And I'm like, really? So
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do our due diligence and actually vet
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: that person and that source. But he states... AI wrote it.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Damn, that is crazy, isn't it?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: So AI is turning on itself. Or it's turning on
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: its creator.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Have you asked it the same question?
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I came back around and asked it a different way,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: and I read that to you.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: And that's the zero.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: That's right there at the top. Zero human encounters. right
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: at the very top. That's what I asked AI. So
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I got this, and this was a letter generated to
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: me by AI. We got any comments? Listen, I know
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: you were in the military. It just, at some level,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: is AI gonna turn? if I can source this, how
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: on earth did a letter like that get generated by Gemini?
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: I just jumped on chat GPT. Just asked, hey, you're AI,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: so you tell me where you'd put them. I read
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: you the answer. And then this guy, who's a security analyst,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: he's disturbed by it, so he forwarded it to me.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Gemini wrote that to me. It just laid out to
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: me where its programs flaw. Is that real? I could
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: have bet it might go, what am I gonna do
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: with this?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: I think we should put that in. Are we still recording?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: They're still recording, I think. We'll put it in. You
• 1:51:31
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• 1:51:35
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• 1:51:41
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• 1:51:43
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• 1:51:52
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• 1:51:57
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• 1:51:59
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  Speaker 2: If there's anything I learned, this shit doesn't just happen.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: I feel crazy some days. I'm telling you, it's like,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: what if....
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Why, Aaron?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Why? It's a calling. I don't know. Why did I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: get involved in Hinkley? Everybody told me, no, you're not.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Data centers. Just one small town, 30 individuals. What's a
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: data center? And here we are. And you ask yourself, why?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: We just look like One data center, and now look
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: at that damn map.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: One data center. And look at the country. And now
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: look at the globe. You know, for all of the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: great technological advances that we're making, in some regards, I
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: think we're going to take some steps back. And maybe
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: that's to old school. To things that we know that work.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: And again, AI, you're a fucking machine, man. If you're
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: a machine coming at me, I'm going to fight. You know, wait, no.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to live this. But for all those
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: technological advances, we're taking some backward steps too.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: I think we're taking a lot of backward steps.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: And so it's just an interesting... Look what's happened to
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: the human mind. That letter I just read you, from
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Gemini itself. that it's a corporate script. Oh, my God.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like out-of-body experience right now. It is so
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: weird to even talk with you about something like this.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: I'm always willing to question things. I'm always willing to
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: be wrong. So what? So what if something came in
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: or you believed in that person and it didn't turn out?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: That's okay. This is how we learn. But I think
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: that we've gotten so dependent on a machine that we've
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: forgotten to go outside. See, when I started my work
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: in Hinkley, oh my God, do you remember the big
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: computers on your desk that were the size of a TV? Oh,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: and did I think I was the shit with my
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: cell phone that was the size of a brick? But
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: the tools that I did have was this incredible human
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: instinct and ability to go, I'm not sure that's right,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: to feel something, to listen to something, to watch something.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I started getting answers. I started, you know, again, here
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: we go with Wizard of Oz. I think we lost.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: our hearts, our minds, our souls, and our courage. And
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: we've been walking down this path of what we think is,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: you know, greatness. And we turned everything else off. Yeah.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: And now that that path that we've followed is completely
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: potentially of resources in jeopardy because of a data center
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: that has to feed AI and energy beast, that we've
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: suddenly just gone, what the, what the fuck? And we're thinking,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: we're feeling, where it's like coming out of our numbness
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: and we're finding some gumption. And it doesn't mean we
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: have to handle things the wrong way. And it doesn't
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: mean it has to be right or left. That's the moment, Sean.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: I see it. I think a lot of people do.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: We are united. And see? See? That's exactly what I
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: believed in. That's what I've always believed in. That's what
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: I always believed in. That is who we the people are.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: And united on an issue. We're the game changer. I'm
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: glad you showed up.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: Me too. Stay in the fight.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And it's just, it's too much now. It's not
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: just one, it's all. But I'll tell you, that last
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: letter flipped me the fuck out. And you know, I
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: go to bed at night, I'm like, God, I want
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: to unsee that. Don't send it. Don't send it to me.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: Don't send it to me. I did learn that in Hinkley, though.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: How do you take their own information against them? And
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: those data sets? And... if this thing from Gemini came
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: from Gemini, it's gonna turn on itself. It just ratted
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: out its own creators. It just ratted out its own problem.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you should keep a copy of that,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: because I'm just like, I don't know. Oh, and then,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: you know, everyone will say, I don't do that, or
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: this is going to happen. And it's just, I just
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: don't know. I just don't know where you call things.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it's a coincidence. Just something else
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: is just going on. Yeah.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: There's a movement happening. A lot, a lot, a lot
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: of stuff's being exposed right now.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: See, I'm not the only one.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: Just something's shifting. And I don't know if it's been
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: after COVID or if COVID was part of, you know,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, we got shut down pretty good.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think COVID blew the lid off. It just
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: started the anti, you know, the trust, the trust issue.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: So now everybody verifies everything or at least tries to. Yeah.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: You try to. And, you know, my dad, And I've
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  Speaker 2: never gotten political when it comes to the environment because
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  Speaker 2: I was raised by a staunch Republican man, my mentor.
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  Speaker 2: What an honorable man. Fighter pilot, you know, United States Navy, engineer.
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  Speaker 2: And he promised me before he died in my lifetime
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  Speaker 2: that water would become a commodity traded more valuable than
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  Speaker 2: gold or oil. He's going to be right. And he
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  Speaker 2: also told me that it was my duty to be
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  Speaker 2: a good steward.
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  Speaker 1: Really? He told you that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. Michael Berry, you know, the guy
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  Speaker 1: that called the 2008 financial crisis?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he's investing in now.
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  Speaker 2: Water. That promised me. Water's going to be the next goal, Darren.
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  Speaker 2: And it is your duty and your responsibility. as a human,
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  Speaker 2: as an American, to do everything you can for your land,
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  Speaker 2: for your air, for your water, and for your health.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're the only gifts that you've been given that matter.
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  Speaker 2: I never forgot it. And that's who I became. Wow. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I got in trouble. for lying to my dad.
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  Speaker 2: He wrote me a letter and I shared it in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my keynotes. But I got grounded for
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  Speaker 2: an entire school semester because I told a lie. And
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  Speaker 2: that's just something, you know, he always said as a
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  Speaker 2: military man, you don't lie. Don't be lying to us, Aaron.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron didn't like it. But he took a huge trip
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  Speaker 2: away from me. And In that letter, he told me,
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  Speaker 2: if you, your brothers, your sister, and your mother and
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  Speaker 2: I cannot honestly and freely communicate with each other and
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: believe what we are saying and hearing, then we have
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  Speaker 2: lost everything. And that your family, until you have your own,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: is the finest possession that you'll have on this earth.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: And I got grounded, but he came back to say,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: so Aaron, losing that trip isn't that great of a deal, really.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: in the big scheme of things, the loss of our
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: respect for each other would be much, much greater. Have
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  Speaker 2: we lost that respect for ourself and for each other?
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  Speaker 2: And have we forgotten what our true gifts are for
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: all of us? Land, air, water, and health. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why I say the stakes are too high now. But
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: so my dad lives in me every single day. And,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I've always said climate change, you can call
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: it what you want, it's going to be water events.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Too much, too little, none at all. It's here. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But we can make the necessary changes. I just think
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: for once, the greed, I mean, can't come first.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a battle.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It really is. But so for me, the
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: environment was never anything political. Right or left. It's all
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I've never seen a bipartisan issue like
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  Speaker 2: this in 30 years ever. You know, and there's even...
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Dexter Abbott stood up and he told the guys, he goes,
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  Speaker 2: if you think you're running off migrant or off these
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers' back, you're going to build your own. You're paying
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: for it. And I don't know, it's very strange. It
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: just slid in in the night. It just slid in.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Status centers have been around for a long time. We
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: know that. But these new hypersonic ones, this is relatively new,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: but it's just been over the past two, three years.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: And again, they slid these in that you, I don't
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: know what anyone was thinking, that you're going to slide
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: this in to multiple councils in every single state across
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  Speaker 2: the country, that somebody wouldn't chime up. I don't know
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: what happened. That's the big thing. But even Microsoft said this.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Even Kevin O'Leary came out and said, I should have
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: rethought this on the up game. You said that? Yeah,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: it's in the paper. He said, I should have thought
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: this through differently. See, it's on the up front. On
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: the up front. On the up front. That's the infrastructure
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: part that has to change that makes me think of
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: the Ford Pinto theory. On the up front. Stop sacrificing
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: safety and infrastructure for the almighty dollar. Because these lawsuits
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: aren't going to go away and they're just going to
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: get bigger and bigger. But if you change on the upfront,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: the safety and the infrastructure of the system, you can
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: still yield the profit to the shareholders. It may not
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: be as great had you covered it up otherwise, but
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: your long-term gains, firmware will tell you that, your long-term
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: yields will be greater. And Kevin Murray said that. I
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: should have handled this differently on the upfront. You think?
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: PG & E, the transparency. Just say it. People will
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: handle the truth. They won't handle why. And that's where
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: the science gets concealed. And Barry, just like I shared
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: you with that argument with that scientist, you don't have
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: all the data to prove that it can cause cancer.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: I go, you're right. But here's something you haven't thought of.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: You don't have all the data either to conclude that
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: it doesn't. So as long as you hide self-reporting and
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: people can't report what's happening to them we aren't going
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: to know the information and it was concealed in documents
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: that back to 1958 that i just happen to to
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: program that way i don't take a number in the
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: environment it's a velocity chart and calculate it forward. Whatever
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: that lower number today is was a high number in time.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: It's a velocity flow. It's how it works. Go find
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: the number. And that's what I think people are starting
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: to do. And we're talking about for all the great things,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: the backward movements. So, I don't know. You don't want
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: to live in my head, really. It's quite exhausting.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: You don't want to live in mine either.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: I could tell you. Definitely. But.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: What are we doing it all for if we're not
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: going to even be here?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, grandchildren, this is my legacy moment for me. I'm
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: not getting paid anything. It's just wrong. Something's just wrong.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: You know, and I don't want that for my grandkids.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't have to be this way. For what? So
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: all the tech trillionaires? Where are y'all gonna fucking live?
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: You just gonna.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: In a bunker in Hawaii.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: Great! On this huge planet by yourself with, what, 50 people?
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Have fun. I mean... And it's hard not to go
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: dark into that space. But something's just a myth. I'm
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: telling you. I don't know. That great big machine might
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: just turn on its owners.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm glad you came in here today. I did
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: not know any of that until I started going through
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: the outlining.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: There is so much out there, and it's happening really,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: really fast. And just even in 10 weeks, we've seen
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: it explode. You know, Mike? My creating a map is
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: just a place for them to report so they can
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: be seen. We don't see each other anymore. Just to
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: be seen and a voice to be heard. And when
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: you see that there's tens and tens and tens of
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: thousands of them and it's happening across the country, then
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: something's definitely going on. So that's my story and I'm
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: sticking to it.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: Please do. All right. Let me know if you ever
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: want to come back. Really?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Don't threaten me with a good time.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: I'd love to come back.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Like I said, there hasn't been a whole lot of
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: hope spread in this room in a while. And so
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: that is, it's good. It's good.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I, Sean, I feel so weird. It's
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: just a good thing I didn't have a cocktail because...
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Never liked one? Oh, God, no. You'll never shut me up.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, but... I just, um... I'm thankful for you
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: in a moment and for.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: People listening. Because often we're not heard. And often we
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: do know things. And oftentimes we go away. And I
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: think that there's a real moment where America's finding our
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: heart and soul again.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: It's good to see.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: And this isn't right or left, man. I know. This
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: is all of us.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: And it's our water. It's our life. It's our food supply.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: It's everything. It's who we are. And we're better than this,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: and we can change things. But we have to show up.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: We can't wait for someone else to do it.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. Thank you. Thank you for
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: what you're doing.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: Giving me an opportunity to come and share some time
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: Anytime. I'd love to have you back.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: I'd love to come back.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: What is your website again? It's Erin Brockovich Data Centers?
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, so the Data Centers is BrockovichDataCenter.com.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: BrockovichDataCenters.com. Yeah.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. And we're in it every single day and we're
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: updating as fast as we can. It's not a big,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: huge team. And, you know, this is just on our
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: time and our love and... I've always... I don't know,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: maybe we've lost our hope in people, but I never did.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: When it comes to situations like this and their livelihood
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: and their health and their family and their children and
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: their grandchildren, they don't sit around and make up stories
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: like this. And when it's thousands and thousands and thousands
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: and thousands of them, you cannot turn away from that.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: Something's wrong and you're gonna have to start asking why.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: And I'll just close with, yeah, Superman's not coming, but
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: who cares? Because if we show up, we don't need Superman.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: Because we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're welcome.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. I'm honored to be with you, Sean.
• 2:13:03
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