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260: Stop Talking about Comic Books (or I'll Kill You) · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: That have been turned into movies.
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  Speaker 1: are a comic shop, and more than that, a pop
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  Speaker 1: about them on Movie Meltdown. All right, so now we
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  Speaker 1: will get back into the grind. Yes, we are sitting
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a comic book shop, so there's
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  Speaker 1: no surprise that we hit on a lot of different titles.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is a continuation of the discussion that
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  Speaker 1: started last episode. So hopefully you've already heard that. If not,
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  Speaker 1: go back and download episode 259 entitled, simply enough, Graphic
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  Speaker 1: Novels to Movies, and then you will be up to speed.
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  Speaker 1: And now we are going to get right back into
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  Speaker 1: the conversation here as we discuss both the right and
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  Speaker 1: wrong ways to turn a graphic novel into a movie.
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  Speaker 1: again just putting that much character into the graphic novels
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  Speaker 1: is something that not everybody does and then bothering to
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  Speaker 1: translate and try.
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  Speaker 6: To put that stuff in the movies is there you
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  Speaker 6: know and again i think that's the art to it
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  Speaker 6: though yeah is it the i'm not you know uh
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  Speaker 6: we're taking the lazy way out or is it Just
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  Speaker 6: probably the more factual, which is just so much content
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  Speaker 6: in a graphic novel to translate can take up. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you might say it's a storyboard, which I can give
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  Speaker 6: you that.
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  Speaker 8: To some extent.
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  Speaker 6: But the dialogue, the transitioning of scene to scene, I mean.
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  Speaker 6: And comic books can be done a little bit differently
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  Speaker 6: than in a movie, of course. I just think it's
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  Speaker 6: a time issue.
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  Speaker 9: With what we've seen with Sin City, I feel like
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  Speaker 9: if you wanted to do a movie verbatim, the comic,
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  Speaker 9: you could do it.
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  Speaker 1: But why?
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  Speaker 9: You got the book. Just read the comic. That's why
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  Speaker 9: I like it better when movies take it to a
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  Speaker 9: different alternate universe.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's why I like The Walking Dead because I
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  Speaker 6: enjoy both.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to know what happens. That's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: way to go about it. To have a totally different skew.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost its own separate universe that takes
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  Speaker 1: off and you can then tell your story here that's
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  Speaker 1: sort of similar to the story over here but not exact.
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  Speaker 6: To which the plan with Walking Dead was to be exact.
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  Speaker 6: It was 100% exact and so many... It's funny how...
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  Speaker 6: Things that I didn't... I thought to myself that maybe
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  Speaker 6: it's because they could have translated, but then to find
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  Speaker 6: out things like the guy that played Shane.
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  Speaker 5: His.
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  Speaker 6: Agent got him a deal where they couldn't kill him
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  Speaker 6: until the second season so they had to write around
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  Speaker 6: that they had to deal with it like okay and
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  Speaker 6: then they the prison they were supposed to be out
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  Speaker 6: of the prison and then AMC producers said no we
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  Speaker 6: spent all this money building that set you're staying in
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  Speaker 6: it one more season some of these are very practical
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  Speaker 6: reasons it's so funny and then the same thing with
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  Speaker 6: the governor they were like they go no you're keeping
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  Speaker 6: the governor until you everybody likes the governor exactly we're
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  Speaker 6: making money on the governor you're keeping him until we
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  Speaker 6: get rid of the prison I was like A.
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  Speaker 9: Real dope in the comic. He was like, you know,
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  Speaker 9: you ever play D & D? He was chaotic stupid.
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  Speaker 9: You know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: That's one of those adjustments that they made that seems
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  Speaker 1: like it was better. Oh, he was better in the show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you see him as almost a politician. He's putting the
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  Speaker 1: spin on things. In the comic, he has a mullet.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he is stupid.
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  Speaker 1: He's just a creepy-looking dude.
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  Speaker 10: Let's just point out, not all people with mullets are stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to go back and say, I said the governor.
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  Speaker 10: No mullets allowed. I think they rushed. They brought him back.
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  Speaker 6: Don't worry, Evan. People that have mullets don't have technology.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Spoilers for where you're going on this. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't watched the latest Walking Dead. But go ahead.
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  Speaker 10: If you're not calling. But the thing, I think the, okay,
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  Speaker 10: so everybody, you knew he was coming back because of
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  Speaker 10: the finale. But then they brought him back for what,
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  Speaker 10: three episodes?
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  Speaker 5: I liked it.
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  Speaker 9: It was good.
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  Speaker 10: Well, no, but if you're going to do that, I mean,
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  Speaker 10: it's one of those things where they brought him back
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  Speaker 10: and I was like, that's an interesting take. You see
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  Speaker 10: his perspective on what happened afterwards. But they brought him back,
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  Speaker 10: and then I was like, oh, he's dead again. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: maybe because I didn't expect it, but it's just like
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  Speaker 10: I thought that that was rushed.
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  Speaker 6: But that was the whole thing. The way that it
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  Speaker 6: was said, it was, and again, I don't work for
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  Speaker 6: AMC or anything. I'm not his actual agent, but from
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  Speaker 6: the way that I understand it.
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  Speaker 10: He has to die in the mid-season finale.
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  Speaker 6: No, he was to stay as long as the prison
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  Speaker 6: was there because they wanted to keep the popularity of him,
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  Speaker 6: and they wanted to keep the scent of the prison.
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  Speaker 6: So of course they both happened at the same time
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  Speaker 6: where they fall and they can't.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I guess, yeah, because that was one
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  Speaker 10: of his main motivations, but I guess he could have survived.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It did seem really quick to bother bringing him back
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  Speaker 1: and then take him out of the equation that quickly.
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  Speaker 10: I like what they were doing. I was like, they
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  Speaker 10: were stretching it out.
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  Speaker 5: Was it three episodes?
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  Speaker 6: I think it was.
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  Speaker 9: It was three or four.
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  Speaker 1: It was three or four.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't very long.
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  Speaker 10: He was the main antagonist for a whole season. It's
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  Speaker 10: just like one of those things where it's like they
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  Speaker 10: brought him back and I was like, oh, it's interesting
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  Speaker 10: where he's going. It's like maybe he can change and
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  Speaker 10: then like within an In an episode, he became super
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  Speaker 10: evil again.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, you know he was evil the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: He was, but he's hiding it really well.
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  Speaker 6: He wasn't even hiding it. He was just emotionally distraught.
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  Speaker 6: Evil people can still be emotionally distraught. He was just
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  Speaker 6: emotionally distraught at the time. And I think he was
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  Speaker 6: just waiting for the right moment and opportunity, as evil
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  Speaker 6: people do.
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  Speaker 10: Now I'll snap and we're playing golf on the rooftop here.
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  Speaker 6: I think you just found an opportunity in a window.
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  Speaker 6: But that goes to the point that me and Evan
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  Speaker 6: have talked about before about killing villains off too soon
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  Speaker 6: and things. A good example is they kept Loki for
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  Speaker 6: three movies, and they're talking about bringing him back for
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  Speaker 6: one more. There's no reason to kill great characters off
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  Speaker 6: and then be done with them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they kept doing that, and they would barely induce people.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Batman series. Every movie, it's like, and they're gone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, have you ever seen Batman? Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: In the comic form, in the TV series, in the animated.
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  Speaker 1: They're overarching stories that go on for years and years
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  Speaker 1: with these characters. So in an hour and a half,
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  Speaker 1: you kill off every one of the villains. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to do now?
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  Speaker 10: Still mad Catwoman never came back.
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  Speaker 11: It sucked, but.
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  Speaker 12: It's like having the closure. I think that's the thing.
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  Speaker 12: It has to be a self-contained unit.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I think what movies are... To me, they
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  Speaker 6: seem like movies are evolving to where people don't need that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like movie audiences are getting maybe.
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  Speaker 1: They're a little more sophisticated.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit more sophisticated and intelligent where they
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  Speaker 6: don't need the immediate have to have a wrap up and.
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  Speaker 1: Have to put the button on.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Because I don't understand that things could happen, you know.
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  Speaker 1: A good example is The Dark Knight. I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: don't kill him off.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you're assuming, again, they didn't know how life was
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  Speaker 1: going to work out, but you would assume... Had the
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  Speaker 1: series gone on, they could have brought him back in
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  Speaker 1: as another amazing performance.
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  Speaker 6: You're talking about the Joker.
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  Speaker 1: The Joker, yeah. He's your main villain, and they don't,
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  Speaker 1: unlike the first time around, within one movie, they kill
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  Speaker 1: him off. They just sort of planted that seed.
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  Speaker 6: He was supposed to be in the second.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to come back, and I'm sure he
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  Speaker 1: would have. I'm sorry, the third.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was supposed to be in the third.
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  Speaker 10: I think we were just talking about this today.
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  Speaker 6: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 10: I was talking about this with someone today.
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  Speaker 6: But the whole thing with the... He thought you were
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  Speaker 6: passing away.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know that's coming. But yeah, I thought just
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  Speaker 1: from a story angle. Yeah, from a storytelling aspect, that
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  Speaker 1: was way more impressive to just be able to, again,
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  Speaker 1: them almost understanding Gotham more so than the previous movies.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like there's so many characters and they never
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  Speaker 1: go away. That's the downfall of Batman. He won't kill them.
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  Speaker 1: He probably should. They're insane. But he won't because that's his,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's his. His way of life. That's how
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  Speaker 1: he deals with things.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Catwoman would kill him.
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  Speaker 6: Gotham found a giant city with statues and giant statues
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  Speaker 6: that hold bridges up.
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  Speaker 9: It is, too.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen it. Because as everybody knows, Batman and Robin,
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  Speaker 6: it's probably the best Batman movie. Anything that brings Arnold
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  Speaker 6: Schwarzenegger more to the screen and gives him more lines.
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  Speaker 5: Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about destroying an awesome character.
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  Speaker 6: Probably the best.
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  Speaker 1: The animated version of Mr. Freeze is phenomenal. And then
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  Speaker 1: what they did with Schwarzenegger. It just hurts me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It really physically pains me to think about his horrible one-liners.
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  Speaker 1: The animated version of him is so good.
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  Speaker 6: It's funny because I think you can actually look at
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  Speaker 6: the camera and see Uma Thurman just wondering why she's there.
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  Speaker 1: She's back there looking at her back.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: As soon as we're done.
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  Speaker 1: Rub her lips.
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  Speaker 10: I remember that line. That was terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh i was gonna hit some of the other like
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: uh bigger properties uh it's been a few years now
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: but how about the crow oh gosh it's a huge property.
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  Speaker 9: You gotta like we gotta have 90s night where we
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  Speaker 9: watch the crow and the craft back to back i
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  Speaker 9: gotta do.
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  Speaker 1: This crossover can we have them like doing magic on him.
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  Speaker 9: Yes i gotta actually i want to do this when
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  Speaker 9: i get home and i'm gonna watch interview the vampire
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  Speaker 9: like right after like this sounds like the best night ever.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I love The Crow, and
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  Speaker 1: it got taken horrible, horrible places. But I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's another one of those, like, it was a good
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  Speaker 1: property on its own, but I felt like... What is
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  Speaker 1: the director?
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  Speaker 5: Alex Proy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Alex Proy, yeah.
• 15:48
  Speaker 12: He's amazing.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, he's one that, like, that situation, the
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: real-life situation, kind of threw off his career, unfortunately. But,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. How do you direct a
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: movie after that?
• 15:59
  Speaker 10: I mean, when you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Essentially, you know, it's not his fault, but, like, your
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: lead dies in your film that you're making. Like, how
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: do you carry on?
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: Did you see that bullet in.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: It, right? The follow-up?
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:13
  Speaker 10: I thought there was debris blocking it.
• 16:16
  Speaker 12: Or was that a comic roll?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: No I think it was his original idea yeah that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: very overlooked he's an amazing visual director and he's had
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: a few weird movies that he's made along the way
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: but again they're always visually impressive so I feel like
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that one worked so well because he got the mood
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: of that first one and like he found a way
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to translate it to film and again it's got weird
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: issues it's odd to me that they still haven't put
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: out the other footage that they cut out there's not
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: some sort of director's cut that's come out it's haunted
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: i guess but i mean there's all those weird all
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that extra stuff they shot with like the skull cowboy
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff that was originally in the story that they
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: then took out of the movie and i'm not even
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: sure why i guess they were just tightening it up
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: but i mean it would kind of explain some of
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the weird plot differences but i don't know i still
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: think it's it's an amazing movie and it kind of
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: got taken down almost by its fan base as we've
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: said sometimes you like the property but not the fans
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that like it like me I don't know. Are you
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a gothy kid that hangs out at the mall?
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: Duh.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Duh.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I recognized you from the mall. Wearing your big black
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: eye makeup.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Duh, duh, duh.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It had a weird following that came about. And they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: all loitered around Hot Topic. And, like, again, they almost
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: brought it down.
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: I wish you wouldn't say such hurtful things about me.
• 17:34
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm, like, in the room.
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: At least wait until I go to the bathroom.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: No, I usually like to throw out my insults at
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: people while they're here. I mean, there's no point in
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: talking about them behind their back. But, no, I feel like.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: It didn't help it that the series of films got
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. That fourth one is.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Four?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: It went that far?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Would you not see the fourth one?
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: I stopped it halfway through the second one.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: The second one's horrible. I mean, the fourth one is
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: almost epic bad. The fourth one is so ridiculous.
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: Is it like Never Ending Story 3 bad?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Probably. There's times when I'm just like, how is this
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a movie? And the people that got to do.
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: It, I'm just like, this is ridiculous. It went from
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: theaters to direct a video to direct a trash can.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Direct a coaster. And they just kept ripping off that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: same idea. I was like, if you do a different story,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you can take that premise and turn it into something else.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But they just ripped off that same idea and almost
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: did it. Oh, here's a different guy that goes through
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: this exact same thing. You're missing the point of the story.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: There's obviously more stories than that one story in the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: series that ran for years.
• 18:44
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I felt like After that, nobody knew how to salvage.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it got messed up anyway. But in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: process of shooting it, everything fell apart. So the fact
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that we got a pretty decent movie out of that
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: tragedy is kind of impressive, I thought.
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: I love it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: But the same is right. He didn't do any of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the other ones, right?
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Alex? No.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't want anything to do with it. Rightfully, he
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with it. Because they're horrible.
• 19:11
  Speaker 12: I didn't even see any of them.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I refused. The third one's almost watchable. The other two
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: are a nightmare. I wrote down one that I guess
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: this was a good one as like a property that
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: was a comic a whole running comic series that then
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: gets treated two different ways see which one you guys
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: like better Dredd versus Judge Dredd I.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Never liked those Dredd.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Better than that Colonel Urban versus Stallone which one is
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the way to go for you guys I didn't like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: either one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: I didn't like any of that whole mess.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: I mean obviously I would say Dread is better out
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: of the two but it's just to me and I
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: made this joke to me it seems like they found
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: a slow-mo camera and they're just like we've got to
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: find some way to do slow motion and they're just
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: like that's what I feel like two guys were like
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: we spent a lot of money on a slow motion
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: camera give them a joke called slow-mo.
• 20:03
  Speaker 10: The movie's actually 30 minutes long quite a bit.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: That gets a little overdone.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: It was overdone way too much.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't read the series much, so I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: don't know if you have any more history on the series.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like as an action movie, it works pretty...
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: The Urban one, not the Stallone one. The Stallone one
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is a mess, but... I felt like the Urban's a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: good action movie.
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: I liked that we didn't have to see his face,
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: because you don't see Jonathan's face. There's no reason for
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: him to do the whole.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Except you're Stallone, and you want to make sure you
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: get your face on the screen as much as possible.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I thought it was good. I.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: Megacity 1, I thought they did visually look really good.
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: The franchise, I think, is just not.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It's not, yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: It's a specific target audience that you're going for, but
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: I thought it was a good movie.
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: I feel like RoboCop likes the same thing. Needed more
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: Rob Schneider. Needed more Rob Schneider.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That would be great if the opening shot of the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Dread movie is.
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: Just Rob Schneider.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Carl Urban just comes in and shoots Rob Schneider in
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the head. I would watch the movie from that point.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is awesome.
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: But, yeah, I like the second one better.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Make sure you do it with the cell phone camera, though.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I want to linger on that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: But, no, the second one was... I mean, it was.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: This is the one I actually had on.
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: The first one was terrible.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: That's how we review things, by the way.
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: It's okay. I mean, I read boxed it. It was
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: worth a dollar.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Give it a golden meh.
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I get it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: I get it. Oh, we do need.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: It reminds me of Rob's old rating system.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: If I were to take any shot at it, it's the...
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Raid the Redemption?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: It's pretty much that, only in a mainstream superhero way.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I was thinking about that, yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's kind of that same structure to the story, so... But,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, it was a great action movie. So
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: if you're going to steal from something, I guess steal.
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: From a good action movie. I don't see how they don't, like,
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: those type of movies, I think people died filming that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: I think they killed some of the stunt actors. Like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: someone just honored their family by getting, like, some guy, like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: the guy that got his head smashed against the wall
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: four times in a row was like, I honor my family.
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: And they were, like, jumping off from one level to another.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, somebody got killed. Yeah, you know, yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you see those, yeah. Somebody got killed.
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: Oh, at least Battle Royale happened. Yeah. That's what we
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: can talk about.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: Manga, novel, manga, movie, and then really bad movie. I
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: love the manga, though. Like, that is one of the
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: most gruesome manga. Because I like horror mangas a lot.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Like Ito, like the guy who did Tomei, which is
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: like the best horror manga ever. He's like, Ito is
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: like the godfather of horror manga. He draws the scariest stories.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: It's just unbelievable. It's like all body horror. Just unbelievable
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: things happen to your body.
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: It's disgusting.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: You turn into a big pus ball and vomit and
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: you smell real bad. There's a whole story about bad smells.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: Very terrifying. Battle Royale is not done by him, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: is the most gruesome comic I have ever read. And
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: I've read a lot. And I liked the movie.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It was pretty good. What was your bad movie that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you were referencing?
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Oh, the sequel.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, the sequel. The sequel was pretty bad. And not
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the new mainstream thing that... I'm not taking from that novel.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Because that's the thing. That's why I have to.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: I haven't read the Battle Royale novel, though.
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: Well, no.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I was just going with our new version, which is
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: now Hunger Games.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I can't... I can't... Like, again, I don't hate those movies.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: They have their good points, but, like.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Do you like the first one?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It's not great, but.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Like, it's got.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: I hated the shake.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: One of our cast, he hated it for that reason. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I can't... He hated the camera work. It was all
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the camera work. I just thought, like, the only thing
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'll give the Hunger Games versus Battle Royale, and I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: just went on this... rant the other day because I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: just re-watched Battle Royale because I saw the second Hunger
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Games and I was just like, it's just so missing
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: what it needs to be doing. But I feel like
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: what we don't see in Battle Royale the movie is
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the future world. I think that is really interesting to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: see the world that led to this. What is built
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: around having this game and having this go on I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: think would be interesting to see. We really don't get
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: any of that. We get little shots of the news
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: reporter and But almost nothing. We're just on the island
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the entire movie, which is good. That's where I want
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to be, really. The story's way more interesting there. But
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they do spend a lot of time on that future world.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And I think as the movie's going on in this
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Hunger Games thing, it's like that's more of what they're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: going to focus on now. They're now in the second one.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They're already getting away from the games. They're getting more
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to this weird future world battle that's going to go on.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So I feel like it's got more potential if it
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: leaves the games because it misses the boat on the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: games because they're it's so watered down and PG 13
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and bullshit. Whereas battle royale is mean. Like it is
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the meanest scenario.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: The graphic novels.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: So I think there's like 50 students.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: Every single student gets to some story. There's 13 graphic
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: novels and everyone gets time. The, uh, the sociopath, like
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: the main, um, antagonist. And then the, uh, the, the,
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: like the really like sexy, um, the female, like, assassin that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Was really crazy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: Like, she is, like, beyond belief crazy in the comic.
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: You know, she was the one that, like, had the,
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: I think she had a comma or something, and she cut, like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: her friend's.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Neck open, or friend.
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: And then, like, it's so, like, it was so crazy, because, like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: everybody had, like, their own, like, they took time. about
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: everybody and so like when someone died it was a.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Big deal all right well i feel like in the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: movie like to again i think there's an art form
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to translating something to the film and like i feel
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like that movie for still being a relatively normal runtime
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: like it's not like it's a three-hour movie like it
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: spends a lot of time with it like you really
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: do kind of feel like you know like you spend
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: just enough time with them that you're invested in that's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: why you care about them and then every one of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: them they just kill them all off and that was
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: really scary it's mean like it's just a vicious movie
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that like i love that they go out like they
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: don't dial it back they're just like here's a bunch
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of kids they have to kill each other now half
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of them really are friends and they have to kill
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: each other and you watch how each one deals with
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it it's like do they fall apart and just start
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: firing at people as soon as they get out there
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like that one crazy kid right who immediately gets taken
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: out or like you've got other ones that are plotting
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: against them and you get ones that want to work together.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You get every aspect of how they want to break
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it down. And so again, I, and now, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: hearing how much time they spend with everybody in the novel,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that's one that I'm going to work backwards. I would
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: go and invest time in the novel.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: There's 13 of them. They were released by Tokyo Hop
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: in like 03 to 05. They were, wow. Like so,
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: oh gosh, it's so gruesome though. It's like anatomically correct.
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: like it looks like it's out of an anatomy book
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: like these like splits where people get cut up i
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: mean like it would make jason vorhees blush i get
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: how violent this is you wouldn't tell it's very the
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: mask insanely transgressive piece yeah like whoa i'm on.
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: Board for this that's awesome that's like what i heard
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: i've only watched walking dead but I've heard the comic
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: is a lot more nihilistic and brutal. And you don't
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: like all the, you know, you don't, you're not so
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: worried about making the characters likable.
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: Most people aren't likable.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I've seen Battle Royale, but I haven't seen it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: But it's to keep that brutality consistent.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: What's interesting, too, about the manga is a big thing
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: with manga is a lot of times very formulaic in
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: character design. Usually, and I've done this, like my comics,
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: like I have like a formula that I go by,
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: by like age group and stuff. What I really like
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: about this is every character looks different. Like, starkly different.
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: Not just different shapes of hair or clothes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: Like, they look like people.
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: It's more Western in that way. It's very good.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I think you wanted to mention From Hell. Oh, yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That is.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: I've never read the comic, but I've seen the movie.
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: I've done both. I saw the movie first, and then
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: I read it. The movie, it was interesting, those brothers.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The Hughes brothers.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: It was a weird choice for them. That actually gave
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it a lot of them, yeah. Because they did a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: good job.
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I watched a lot of the behind the scenes,
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: which I don't normally do, but I was really taken
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: by it. I don't like the way they twisted the ending,
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: but they kind of made it a little, they happyed
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: it up a bit too much.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: There's no reason to get that one except with Sleepy Hollow.
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: They're kind of just one movie.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: They really, well, it was one of those, I saw
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the trailer for From Hell, and I'm just like, is
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: this the new Tim Burton? They really felt like they
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: took a lot from the Tim Burton style. But they
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: did put their own spin on it, I have to say.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: They did a good job with it, but it felt
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: very Tim Burton-esque. Yeah, it really is.
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: I didn't think about that. Especially with Ian Holm and
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: the way there's that scene where he's towards the end
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: where his eyes are just black and they really capture
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: that whole... I like that conspiracy theory with the Masonic interpretation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: But visually, though, the actual comic book was really heavily
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: researched and Visually, the period, and they really caught that
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: period really well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: I have to read it. I like that Victorian age stuff.
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. Beautiful pen work. And that was.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Spread out over.
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: I know it's serialized, and then it was put together.
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: It wasn't done as a novel, I don't think.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: If we're doing along the horror lines, I haven't read
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the graphic novel. Has anybody read the 30 Days of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Night novel?
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: Was 30 Days of Night before the movie or after
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: the movie?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I want to say it's after.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: It was a comic first.
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: Was it a comic first?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a comic first.
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: I would love to because, man, I haven't seen either.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: And I, like, love, love vampire stories. Especially, I like
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: the Byronic vampires the best. But I do love, like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: the Count Roloff, like, plague vampire. Like, early Count Dracula.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: Count Krauss-Kinsky, right?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: The gruesome. Nosferatu. The non-romantic vampire.
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: But I do like the Byronic.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Vampires.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: The sparkly type, right?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: No, I don't acknowledge those at all.
• 29:44
  Speaker 14: No, no.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: Byronic vampires are way, mm-mm.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Mm-mm.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: Like Lord Byron. The psycho there. I'm getting flustered.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Frank Langella. But is it, I mean, is it a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: decent graphic novel? Have you read it, or.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I have not.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: I'm going to have to read this.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I barely remember the movie.
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: I haven't seen it. Is it good?
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: I'm terrified.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Is it bad?
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: I didn't like it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I think it was just bad.
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: I think it started out, it was one of those
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: that started out, okay, I see where it's going, I'm
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: going to take a new twist, and it's like, oh, nope,
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: it's everywhere, it's always on, okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Let the right one in.
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: I really like Ben Foster. Who played Angel.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: No, go ahead.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: No, I didn't.
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: Let the Right One In. I don't know if you
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: guys saw that. I love that interpretation. That's probably my
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: favorite vampire movie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: That was just a novel, wasn't it?
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but as far as the vampire genre.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I've said before.
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: That's an amazing film.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I know how the novel goes, and I feel like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: it made... smart choices in what it put on screen.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I like the story it tells on screen better than
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: What it does in the novel. There's more space in
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: the movie.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Well and it makes it a better story between these
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: two characters where you get into a lot of ugly
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: stuff in the novel that like is good if you
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: want extra details but I feel like it just sort
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of muddies the water where there's a bunch better purer
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: story the way that it comes through on screen.
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah I agree.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: I saw the movie and then I read the book
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: so it was interesting to get some more of the
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: context of the characters but The way they streamlined it
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: for the movie was, because there's that less is more approach.
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: Even in the, there's not a lot of sound and
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: there's just 30 second shots of just, you know, that
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: area where he lives and, you know, it's really beautiful.
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: So, speaking of Alan Moore and comic book movies, League
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: That was a gem. That was a couple of those
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that are like, do we want to address where this
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: thing went?
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: I didn't like the comic very much either, though.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: He kind of, besides Watchmen, I can get those mixed up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: Apparently there's.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: I'm more into the Watchmen, right, guys? I always get
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: Grant Morrison somehow mixed up with us. There's too many.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: They're both English, I think.
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: I get them mixed up. I didn't like that book. Really? Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: It was boring to me, but maybe I need to
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: reread it. It might be one of those things.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: That's the one with Sean Connery?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: That was his last movie, right? It's terrible. Yeah, that's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the one that broke him. He was like, I'm not
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: doing this.
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: But because of that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: He said, this is it. But because of that, that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: why we don't have Sean Connery as Gandalf. Well, it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: because he didn't get those. No, but he said something
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: like he was good.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: He turned it down.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: He turned it down because he didn't... I don't think
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: he got League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. He just saw the
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: paycheck and someone was like, yeah, do it. And then
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: he was going to do.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I thought they offered him... Gandalf first. And he just
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: didn't get the material.
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: Maybe it's backwards. Maybe it's because of that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: They cast someone else and he sees his big property.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't get it. I'm glad he didn't
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: No.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: No.
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: No.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It would have been horrible.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: That would have been bad.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Insert terrible impression. Right there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: The rapist.
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: I think my impression of Sean Connery has been affected
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: by Saturday Night Live.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's just all I.
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: Can think about.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: Your mother, Trebek.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Your mother, Balrog.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Shuck on it, Trebek.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Some people say I can't help it. I assure you
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: this isn't the case. It's just that I feel you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: get more out of life when you follow your S
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: with an H. So, S with an H, it's simply
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: my way. The two go together like flowers in May.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Life is more fun, brother, make no mistake, when you
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: follow your S with an H. A 00 spy or
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a medicine man, the cop who helped Elliot Nash.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Eternally bound by.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: This sound, indeed obsessed by the way these two letters clash.
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: Why does the sun come up?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Some might argue this isn't important.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: And now, before the next show starts, let's enjoy an intermission.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: You'll find our snack bar chock full of good things
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: to eat and drink. Tasty, tempting hot dogs, thirst-quenching soft drinks, fresh,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: crunchy popcorn. A complete assortment of delicious candy and a
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: full line of cigarettes. You've plenty of time, so visit
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the snack bar now. A tasty treat will double your
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: enjoyment of the show. For your convenience, we shall keep
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: you informed of the remaining intermission time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Emergency.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: Batman speaking. Warning all of you to brace yourselves for
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: big news.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: The biggest.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Tell them, Robin.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Holy superlatives, Batman!
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: It's really exciting.
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: Soon, very soon, Batman and I will be batapulting right
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: out of your TV sets and onto your theater screens.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: That's right, Robin.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: Our first full-length motion picture feature in color opens a
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: whole new world of thrills. The big screen gives us
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: more space on land, sea, and in the air to
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: challenge the most bataclysmic collection of super criminals that ever
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: plotted to take over the world. Number one, the Riddler. Question,
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: who's going to make the feathers fly and knock Batman
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: and Robin out of the sky?
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: Number two, the Joker.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Have you heard this one? It'll kill you, Batman.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Number three, the Penguin.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: There are two eggs this wily bird is going to scramble,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Batman and Robin.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Number four, the Catwoman.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: Oh, you're going to see the perfect crime when I
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: get Batman in my claws. And that's just a sample
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: of the exciting exploits ahead in our first feature motion picture.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Holy memoranda, folks.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Make a note not to miss it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: Good thinking, Robin.
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: I'm not with you. Sick of this dress and these
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: Jimmy Choo's. Taking them off cause I feel a fool.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: Trying to dress up when I'm missing you, fool. I'ma
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: step out of this lingerie. Curl up in a bar
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: with something haze.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: In ballet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: With nothing but your t-shirt on.
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: With nothing but your t-shirt.
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: On.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: So I brought a cool thing to show everybody. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: think you guys know I'm a geek, and it's been
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: going on for quite a while. So in moving things around,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I also have moved many times in the last several years,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and I have most of my stuff still in boxes.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And I went over and picked some up. They were
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: still stored away at someone else's house. And I went
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: over and was, like, digging through stuff and found, like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: three or four boxes of these old T-shirts. And I had, like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: so many I started going through, and I'm like, wow,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this just shows how far back my, like, movie geekdom goes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Do they have Suncoast tags on them? Some might have, yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: And some go well before that, too. So that's the thing. Like,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: as I went into this, I was like, okay, this...
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, most of them are way, like, they're... I mean,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: half of them are, like, little kid sizes, and, like,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: there's others that still are, like, way too long gone
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that I can't wear anymore, or... worn out or like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you name it like they're falling apart but being the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: movie geek that i am god forbid i throw them
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: away So then I was like, well, okay, here's what
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do. So you're going to offer up
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: us to each pick our own falling apart kid-sized T-shirts? No,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you don't get that. They're mine, damn it. I said
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I was a geek. Geeks don't give their stuff away.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: They just show off.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: They show off. I feel... Just gloat about your broken clothes. Yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty proud.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: Of them, too.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And you'll understand why in a moment. I feel like, okay,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: what we need is the T-shirt project. Where we go
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: through and document these ridiculous shirts that I certainly have
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a good collection to kick things off. But I encourage
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: everyone else, if you're an old school geek and you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have your own t-shirts, maybe you don't still have them
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: laying around like some sort of hoarding weirdo. But if
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you have pictures of you wearing one when you're four,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm going to cap it off about ten years.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be something that's at least
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: ten years.
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: Old, so.
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: I was going to say, all I got is about
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: 20 Dick Tracy t-shirts.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I might have a few of those in there, too.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm assuming you probably have all the ones I have. But,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I thought this time it would be fitting.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Here's the one I brought that I just kind of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: came across today. It's a good tie-in.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: This is a nice original issue RoboCop.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: That's why they need to go to the website and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: go to the link right at the top that says
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the t-shirt project. And they can see this one. Are
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you modeling them in the photos? I'm going to find,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I think the first one that's going to go up
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be modeled by a skeleton. And then
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I might have to find some other random.
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: We can get Paul Brokaw to wear all your t-shirts.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think, that's the thing. I can't wear most
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of them. So I'm gonna have to find some poor
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: soul but yeah this one actually it's a few years
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: after Robocop came out because it's the copyright on it
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is Orion Pictures and it's 1990 so within a few
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: years they put this weird Robocop shirt out that obviously
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I had to have I wonder what's with the 321
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: 05 at the top there yeah Don't you know that?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You call yourself a RoboCop fan. What is it? Hella fun. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's...
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Somebody Google that and we'll find out. It's probably his
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: ammo count. Anyway, I thought that was entertaining. I don't
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: care if anybody else does. You said we don't get
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to see any more of them in there? That's the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: teaser there. And then from here on out, we're going
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to start posting them. So like once a week... It's
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the teaser shirt.
• 40:12
  Speaker 16: No, no.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: See, I didn't say that because... that's going down the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Robocop road, and I'm not going to do that. I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: not going to use it any chance. Robocop.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Every road in Detroit.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: But if you want to do something cheesy, all right,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we'll go T-shirt Tuesday is when we'll post the new shirts.
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: As cheesy as if I were to dress like that
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: for Halloween, I'd be Robocop.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know. I'm entertained by that. So
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: go to MovieMeltdown.com. Look for the t-shirt project. We're going
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to be posting them every week. You guys are invited
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to take part, as is everyone listening. We're going to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: throw it out there. Find some fun old photos of
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you being a geek back in the day and send
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: them in. I think that's how you proclaimed your geekdom
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: when you were a kid. You bought a dorky t-shirt.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Guess what? It hasn't really gone away, actually.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Does Herbie the Lovebug t-shirt count?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: If you've got it, let's see it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 14: Take off your t-shirt. Take off your t-shirt.
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: Take off your t-shirt.
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: Can't hear a song but the band that's on it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Take off your t-shirt. Take off your t-shirt.
• 41:15
  Speaker 16: Take off your t-shirt.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Can't hear a song but the band that's on it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Post size tag and faded.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Decal disintegrated.
• 41:25
  Speaker 18: How I suffered.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Hi, this is Emma Caulfield, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: Something in the air.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Something familiar.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: It smells like a song.
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: I'm hunting in the woods again with claws of adamantium.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: These f * * * ing things can.
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: Chop through anything.
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: I'll chop apart that redwood tree and slice the wings
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: off of a bee.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not a circus freak. I'm Wolverine. No one knows
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: my pain.
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: No one knows my hell My unbreakable frame Is just
• 42:48
  Speaker 18: a prison cell I can't remember before I think I
• 42:53
  Speaker 18: fought in some wars How did I get these mutton chops?
• 42:59
  Speaker 18: My wife was taken away. Now I'm in love with
• 43:03
  Speaker 18: Jean Grey. But she's involved with Cyclops.
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: I can heal any body part except this broken heart.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I think of any other ones that have gone horribly wrong. Well,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: there you go. That's a good one. We were just...
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Bashing that one last week.
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: Don't bring it up. It's not real. The first half
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: of that was okay. And then it was okay. Okay,
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: I gave it two meh.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: The first half is okay.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: One half meh, which sounds like there should be more meh. Anyway,
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: the first part was not bad. Okay, not bad. When
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: I say okay, it's not bad.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: I think it's just hilarious they took a character that
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: his staple is He is the Merc with a mouth.
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: That's the second half. No, it's the second half. The
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: second half was terrible.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: His staple is, I say cocky, witty things.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: No, it's terrible.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: And then they're like, hey, take that guy's mouth away.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: That's a good one.
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: What happens if we sew his mouth?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then, by the way, fucking swords come out
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: of his arm.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: He turns into Baraka with teleportation.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: And they're in there.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Can he bend his arm or not?
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. I maintain that as bullshit.
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: I feel like they ran out of money. Ryan Reynolds, like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: they had to let him go. And then they had
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: a 12-year-old write the last 20 minutes.
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: He's got laser eyes.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: He's got laser eyes. Okay, wait. That idea totally works
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: for Axe Cop, though. Oh, yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: That's true.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Fair enough.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Didn't quite work for Origins, though.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: No.
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: Oh, I'm so, oh.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: It was bad.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: And the second one, see, that's the one thing, I
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: feel like it's just like, it ruined my childhood less.
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: And I was like, the second one was okay, but it,
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: you know, it didn't do anything for me. It wasn't like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: you know, I mean, I'm jaded since seeing the Avengers,
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: so it's like what I expect of the stereotypical property
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: from comic books. the second one.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Is interesting just because it doesn't make it a massively
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: superhero movie it's just kind of his story and by
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the end he gets a little closer to a superhero
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: again we last time complained about the cheesy wrap up
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: but most of the movie is kind of a straight
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: it could just be a normal guy doing some of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: this stuff with a few exceptions but for the most
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: part it plays out like a real human.
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: Story aren't you tired of.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Origin stories though? It just seems like we constantly have
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: to revisit what is going on. And at this point,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: the source material is out there. Why don't you just
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: let the people go back?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Especially on bigger properties. I've said this before. I was like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: we don't need it for Batman, Spider-Man, Superman. We don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: need another origin story. Like the Iron Man one. That
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: was a good one. Not that many people really, like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: mainstream people didn't know his origin. You can tell an
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: origin story with that. That was a good idea. But, like, watching, like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: how many times do we need to see all of those? Well,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: as many times as they do the reboot. That's the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: problem is they reboot. But you have to have somewhere
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to start. I mean, you have to have an origin.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just. I don't think we have to, really.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, I've been watching.
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: We don't have to. We don't have to.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: But I think even, like.
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: Imagine a kid in, like, it's the same thing. Imagine
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: a kid 20 years from now doesn't, never picked up
• 46:05
  Speaker 10: a copy. Because we're talking about the gateway getting in.
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: It's like.
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: So they get in and all of a sudden you
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: start the Batman movie. Maybe it's their first step into.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: At the beginning of the movie you say, hey, you
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: should probably go and read this.
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: But if you don't start somewhere, that's if someone's picking up.
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: You don't know where anybody's going to get into the
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: genre or the.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I think we're just spoiling the audience too much at
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: I don't want to pander. I'm not saying pander.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: No, we're definitely pandering. But I'm just like, well, think
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: back like when I was a kid, even just going
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: back to comics. Like, did I ever start at the beginning? Like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'd flip through an old box and be like... This
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Batman looks awesome. Look at the cover. And I just
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: start reading it. I didn't have to go back and research.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I just read the story.
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but you can't... No, I get it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: He used to say they won't start on the third movie.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: He used to say they don't turn on TBS one night.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And the third movie's on.
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying.
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: Okay, but there's an origin to that. Whatever you see
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: is an origin. I mean, you can't just be like...
• 46:55
  Speaker 10: You couldn't get that comic because it's a multi-thousand dollar
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: comic and it's 30 years old.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: I got it. I got the answer.
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: This brings back memories of when I worked at a
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: comic store.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You're pretty bullshit.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: It's been in front of me the whole time. We
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: just teach this shit in schools. There we go. And
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: then we're good. This is how it should be.
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: We don't need literature.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Comic history.
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: I think that's the history. Big Bang Theory starts with
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: a Big Bang. At a certain point, if you're talking.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: About kids in the future, like.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: Spider-Man came out 50 years ago. Almost 60. Yeah, 50 years.
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: Everybody knows his damn origin story.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: Even if they don't know anything about Spider-Man.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It's in the theme song for God's sake.
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: That's all we need.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's a minute and a half theme song. You're like,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I'm good. Let's go. Here's what we do.
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: We start every superhero movie now with an old cranky
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: man coming out. You damn kids should know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: This by now.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: We save like 20, 30 minutes.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: So it's young Indiana Jones?
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: You bastards.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story about when I was
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a kid. Sorry.
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: I don't like it, but I see it's a necessity
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: because you never know when people are going to come
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: in and yes but.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Again i feel like it's spoiling them i'm like i
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: i'm also thinking of like the animated stuff like the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: again like the animated series like i could come in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: any episode i get it like you're gonna get like
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you piece together the story and if you don't tough
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: luck don't be an idiot like if you really care
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you'll go back and do research like i feel like
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you it is up to the viewer like we're spoiling
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: them just giving them everything every time to the point
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that we're We're devaluing the movie. They don't care.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: They just want to make money, though.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I know. That's what's important. That's the problem.
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: We're not talking about high art here.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: It should be, though.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a middle ground. There are so many movies.
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: That get made that are great. But the masses don't
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: appreciate high art, and they don't value art. It doesn't
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: matter to them. They want garbage to freaking distract themselves
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: for an hour and 30 minutes. They don't want high art.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: We have to work around stupid people.
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: That kind of stuff makes people mad. They don't like
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: their sensibilities being ruffled.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: But don't you like a fresh take on something? I mean,
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: you can take it and have a fresh take.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: If it's good, but I almost feel like it needs
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: to be long enough. Like, you know, if it's been...
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: 20 years if you want to reboot something, but if
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it's been five years.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Or 10 years.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: Well, the Man of Steel. The Man of Steel, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: they try to reboot. They try to reboot with Superman Returns.
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: Colossal failure. You can't take another... You can't reboot without
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: having an origin on that, especially with another... Okay, remember
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: that shit that happened like 10 years ago?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Didn't happen, and.
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: and it's new. Well, maybe I.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: Feel like it's rushed too much.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: I can see pacing. I see it's necessity, but it's wallpaper.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: The Avengers. The reason I like the Avengers is because
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: they decided, hey, let's just don't come out and do
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: the Avengers and then try to wrap everybody's story in that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: let's do everybody leading up to this you know this.
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: But these are all origin stories those are all origin
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: but it took it took it it's years of planning
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: it's but they all had an origin though i mean
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: and i give you that they didn't come out like
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: you you know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 13: It's the whole there had never been an iron man
• 49:50
  Speaker 13: movie before there had never been yeah four and even
• 49:54
  Speaker 13: like on batman i can understand that but like I
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: guess not.
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but it was terrible.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: There was Captain America, too.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Nobody really counts any of those. But then
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that's what we say.
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: We have one origin. It's like, go back to the
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: 94 and watch that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: We do it once.
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: We do it right. We don't do it again.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: Spider-Man came out in 2009.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Or no, sorry, 2009.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: 2000.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
• 50:13
  Speaker 13: I don't know where I got that. And the new
• 50:15
  Speaker 13: one came out in 2012, which is.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Kind of a big gap.
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: You set a precedent here?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Say a decade?
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: A decade you can do a new origin if you
• 50:22
  Speaker 10: need me?
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: See, I think that one's too soon, though. I think
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: it's too soon.
• 50:24
  Speaker 13: Because I think a lot of kids have seen... The
• 50:26
  Speaker 13: old ones, too, because it's Spider-Man and it's a movie,
• 50:28
  Speaker 13: why not? So when they're that close together.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You don't really need to... But did they spend.
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know how much time they actually...
• 50:34
  Speaker 10: They didn't spend... I mean, they spent some time, but
• 50:36
  Speaker 10: they did it different. It was a twist. It was
• 50:38
  Speaker 10: a different.
• 50:38
  Speaker 13: It was different, and I liked the new one better
• 50:40
  Speaker 13: than the way they did it in the.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: First one, but.
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: I'm just saying, I'm a devil's advocate. Everybody's got to
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: have an origin. We know the origins. For us, we're
• 50:47
  Speaker 10: jaded because we know we've seen it. We've been there
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: for the.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of on the fence with both of them.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, I can see where it could be done right.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: I guess the biggest origin that drives me nuts that I...
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: It's over and over again as Batman. I mean, it's just.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Batman's the one. But I feel like with those characters,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: if it's a strong enough character, you can come in
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: in the middle. If you just watched The Dark Knight,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: would you be like, well, forget this. I don't know
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: how it started. You could come into The Dark Knight
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and get enough of who he is as a character
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and just watch that. Even if you didn't see Batman Begins,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that was a decent reboot story. I mean, that was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a decent origin to come back to, but I don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think you'd have to have it. Again, it's so ingrained
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: and our pop culture at this point, that I feel
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: like you could just come in. Because that's what I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: feel like I loved even on the animated shows that
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: were on, any of them, like Batman or Spider-Man or
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: any of them. They would just be a huge arcing story,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and you could come in on any of them, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you didn't have to start over. You just come in,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: and it's the same way with comics. You just pick
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: up whichever.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: One you want.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: You have to, though. You get it, and you, I
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: How many times do they also, in the sequels and stuff,
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: make an offhanded reference to, you know, Bruce does this
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: because his parents were killed.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, just through context and stuff, you pick up what,
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: you know, little things.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That you're missing.
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: I do get the, like, just start hammering over the
• 52:01
  Speaker 10: head because, like, here's what I always, I kind of
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: watch this too, but, like, especially the animated stuff that
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: I see, anytime there's a character that comes on screen,
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: they say their name, like, Oh, Spider-Man's here! Oh, it's
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: Black Bolt! Hello, I'm Superman, and I am here to
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: save the day.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And who are you addressing? Superman, you go over there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: Batman, you go over there. Wonder Woman, clearly the only
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: person that's coming.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I finally get this. Alright, it makes
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: sense now.
• 52:25
  Speaker 10: I like numbers and pictures.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Again, I just feel like we give people too, like
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's different, somehow we feel like it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: different because they're superheroes. Like any other movie, like you
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily, like, get their origin. Like, with a lot
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of movies, especially, like, again, the more indie stuff, like,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you can pick up somebody's story, like, midway in, and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you spend, like, maybe a week's worth of time with them,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and then you kind of feel like you know where
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: they're going at the end of it, but it's not
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: like you've got, like, well, here's where they were born,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and you don't get, like, a 30-minute, you know, build-up
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: as to how they got to this point in their life. Like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of movies out there that you can
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: just come in, and because they're doing a good job
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: with the storytelling... it explains the character, and there are
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: things that you pick up that you understand why they're
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: doing what they're doing, and I don't think you have
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to start over every time. I think if you're a
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: good writer, you can write it into the plot that
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you understand what's going on.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's comic books, and comic books aren't intimidating
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: to people.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're still dumbing it down, though.
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: I don't, and I hate to kind of flip-flop on
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: my issue, because I hate it. I don't like rehashing
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: stories over and over, but at the same time, I.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: And my eyes are opened up to the fact that
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: as much as I, in my community, you know, the
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: community of owning a comic book store and hanging out
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: with the people that I talk to, yes, I'm saying, oh,
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: it's mainstream. But, you know, it's not as mainstream as
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: I think I would like it to be. I mean,
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: there are people that come in here daily and, you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: will ask me who certain characters were, and they'll point
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: to people like Spider-Man or Superman, and they just don't know.
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: Why do you suppose that comics are threatening comics?
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: I've been around forever and it's hard to get in.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: It's a huge undertaking to do any problem. People think
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it's hard to get in.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: It's actually quite easy if you just start reading.
• 54:15
  Speaker 13: They repeat the information all the time that's necessary to
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: understand what's going on. But there's a perceived barrier of entry.
• 54:23
  Speaker 13: It's this big thing that's been going on and you
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: can't possibly jump on now.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's threatening so much. I mean,
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: I guess the word is.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Overwhelming?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: It's kind of.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: I guess the verbiage can be.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Daunting.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: Like I was someone that didn't come out of the
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: comic closet, if you will, until much, much later in
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: my life. I was someone that always kept that part
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: of my life hidden because social cues told me not
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: to release that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't know anything.
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: I was always a dork.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: I think that there's a lot of kids in that
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: position that– maybe myself was in as a teenager where
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: maybe they want to get into it. Maybe they are
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: into it secretly, but they're, you know, they're, the culture
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: is still, we still have a culture that, uh, that
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: is very much driven around sports. It's very much driven around.
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: Well, we have a culture that, uh, rewards the extrovert.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: And, uh, introverted people by nature readers. Well, you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: it's just because introverted people, um, renew their energy.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: By being alone.
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: And what do you do when you're alone?
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: You read.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Recon books.
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: So it's like an extroverted world, like a sports star
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: is an extroverted person, almost, you know, like, stereotypically.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: And the world....
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Rewards that kind of behavior. At least the Western world.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely our country does. But I still feel like
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: it's changed. I don't think you give it other countries credit.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I can only speak for us. I don't want to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: talk about.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: The rest of the world. I think sometimes we do
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: beat on ourselves a little bit. We go like, oh,
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: we have football and we reward that, but you have
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: not seen people fans until you've seen soccer fans until
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: you've seen oh yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: But they're different hardcore and they have different structure to
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: it yeah but.
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: It's not like the grass is always greener on the
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: other side it's always you know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it's still like as much as
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: it's still like that weight is still there for kids.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a different world than it was. Oh, no,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I agree. Even 20 years ago.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: It's a massively different world.
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: It's an easier world to get into.
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: It's also really acceptable for people to be into, like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: nerdy stuff. Because, like, nerd is, like, now the, like,
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: it's so, like, fetishized.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 9: Like, there's a freaking, okay, I hope I don't offend
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: anybody here, but, like, there's an awful genre of music
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: called nerdcore.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, there is. I'm a nerdcore rapper.
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: You talk about, like, when people do, like, the 8-bit
• 56:40
  Speaker 13: sound type thing.
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: There's rappers who are nerdcore rappers. It's so bad.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: But it's good in a way because, like, it's making
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: it so it's okay for people to like this stuff
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: and they don't get ostracized for it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: It's kind of that same, the Big Bang thing. It
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: makes it more acceptable in the mainstream, so maybe you
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: don't get picked on at school like you used to.
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: You know what's funny is that it's.
• 57:07
  Speaker 15: Being extroverted with your nerd culture. We're going to take
• 57:09
  Speaker 15: the metaphor you were just using. I mean, it's an
• 57:12
  Speaker 15: extroverted way of expressing the fact that, yes, I'm a nerd,
• 57:14
  Speaker 15: and do you need to express it that way?
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: They have a right to. I just don't like it
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: at all. It's totally subjective.
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: It's changed.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Now you have people who probably aren't nerds or wouldn't
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: have been nerds back then that now they feel like
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: they can own it because it's cool to be nerds.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: Or they just say they are because it is cool.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Nerdposers.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: I don't like the use of the P word. It's
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: very pretentious.
• 57:37
  Speaker 10: It's one of those things where you become gatekeepers because
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: now nerds are cool. Now I'm like, But I didn't
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: want nerd to be cool in this way. I wanted
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: nerd to be cool just because of the Big Bang
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: Theory and all this stuff like that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be accepted. On my terms.
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: I wanted to be accepted on my terms.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I got punched in the face when.
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: I was a kid for doing what I love.
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: I wanted to rub it in there.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It's sad to the lockers. Yeah. I'm going to say
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I'm doing comic books.
• 57:59
  Speaker 10: That's what I did. Now it's acceptable because of all
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: this stuff that is disingenuine. That's the thing.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 10: Because I'm not... In a lot of aspects, Big Bang Theory,
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: and we keep referring to this, but it's disingenuine, but...
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: Because of that, so... But have any, I mean... Nerds
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: legitimate now in a disingenuous way.
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know the ages around the table, but I'm 28.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: I'm sure we're all somewhere around that age.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Way off.
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: Well, I'm a little bit older than you guys, so
• 58:26
  Speaker 12: I might be the oldest one here.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: I'm 63.
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: The last time we were in a high school environment
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: has been quite a long time. I mean, I almost
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: feel like we need an expert. We don't know if
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: It's just as easy today as it was for kids
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: growing up that, like myself, or like you said, you
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: got punched in the face and everything.
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: I don't know if you actually got punched.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: In the face.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe I did.
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: Kicked in the shin.
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: Is it easier now because of the movies and everything,
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: or are we just out of it?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: It's a little... I think it's more acceptable. I think
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: there wasn't... Like, it became... Like with each generation, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: think it becomes more acceptable. Like you look, even like
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: the 70s, you get the Star Wars kids. Well, suddenly
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. a billion dollars. It's like, well, it's
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: okay to be a sci-fi nerd. Kinda. We'll still beat
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: your ass if you like, you know, Star Trek too much.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of okay. I like that shirt.
• 59:19
  Speaker 10: You get one shirt.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: You get that one shirt with Luke on it, but
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: No backpack.
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: You're gonna have trouble.
• 59:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because you see kids, like, in, like, real garish, like,
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: mall fashion wearing, like, American or... Captain America hoodie or something. And, like, yeah,
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: they totally... But, see, that's what we're talking about. Like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: you had that cute, like, Batman thing I would totally wear. Like... Yeah, like,
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: that's okay to wear now. Like, that would not be okay.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It all became acceptable. Like, in that 90s period, they
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: kind of threw open the doors. And again, it was
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: almost for the wrong reasons sometimes. But, like, I was
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: referencing the goth kids. Like, goth became so mainstream.
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: Don't get me started.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: But that's what I... I knew people that were into
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: it well before it became popular. And then... I saw
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: kids wandering around the mall wearing that, and I'm like,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been acceptable even five years ago.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: But that argument to me, something we've talked about before,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: I'm referring to myself and Evan and Eric and everybody else,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: is a lot of times you get these people that
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: don't know what they're wearing. They just wear it because
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: Hot Topic had it or the Sprinters had it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 13: My sister-in-law bought her son a Green Lantern shirt thinking
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 13: it was a Sheldon shirt.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah well we've had we've had part of this whole
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: conversation is fuck you big bad dude we've.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: Had customers that you know that you try to they
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: walk in with let's say the Batman shirt or Batman
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: shirt on and you try to engage them like oh
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: Batman I like and they don't know what you're talking
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: they're like oh this is from Batman I mean we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: had a person at the Gaslight Festival that was wearing
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: a Millennium Falcon shirt that had the Millennium Falcon.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: Blueprint and they're like oh you like Star.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: Wars and they're like Oh! Yeah, like, they didn't understand,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: and they were like, they were like, I just thought
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: it was a really cool, like, blueprint design thing.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: It's like, what?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you think that is? Yeah, this thing
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: up here where it says Millennium, huh? Yeah, I think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: that thing is.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And then they take it off immediately and burn it.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Screw this.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Nerds.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 9: But be careful, because you're entering that realm where you're
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: making people feel shitty for what they like.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: But they didn't even like that one.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Are you talking.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: About, like, with sports or anything?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: Well, like, no, no, like.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: We were saying before, like, when you were talking earlier about, like,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: the Watchmen and these pretentious, snotty people are, like, your
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: pedestrian for liking Marvel zombies. You have to always be aware.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think I've done any sports?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: I love basketball.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: No, that's not my point at all. That's not my
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: point at all. My point is.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: It's really easy to be offended by somebody's like snotty
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: behavior and then turn right around and do it again.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: It's not about sports at all.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: I think what you're misunderstanding is that we did not
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: make fun of the person with the Liam Falcon thing.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: It was more of the thing where you're saying that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: people walk around with their shirts on. I think a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: lot of times people are given those shirts and not
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: knowing what those shirts are.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: Cool designs of a shirt.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Again, I think it's the genuine angle. If you are
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: genuinely interested in whatever, like, go to town. That's awesome.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: But it's the people that kind of come at it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and like, They get on board with it because it's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: popular and they really don't even know what they're dealing with.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Like that, I don't know. That applies to sports too.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: It's funny to people.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: Like if you live in a major league sports city,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 13: oh yeah, I'm totally a Colts fan and not give
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 13: a shit about the Colts just because that's the popular thing.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 12: One of my favorites is the kids singing about the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 12: plague and not even knowing about it. Ring Around the Rosies.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: That's a perfect example.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 10: It's like Ring Around the Rosies.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 12: It's just a longer gap of time so it's like misappropriated.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: Cultural reference oh not knowing the oh my gosh.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry it's just a song that you sing as a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: kid yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: But we have we're just like the time what am
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 12: I trying to say like the bell curve of just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 12: how much is being we're exposed to so much on
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: such a smaller scale of time where Millennium Falcon can
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 12: be yeah you can lose sight of its actual original
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 12: meaning but I wear an underoos when I was a
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 12: kid did you guys oh yeah oh yeah still wearing
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 12: underoos right now The same ones.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 10: The same ones.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: It took a lot of work, but I'm in them.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 12: I think I sang Bring Around the Roses in my underwears.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: Spider-Man underwears?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 10: How did they get that shirt? Well, I think we're
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: just talking about it more directly. Why are they wearing
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 10: that shirt? How did they get that shirt? I mean,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: if you like something, you would seek that shirt, but
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 10: I guess that's a thing.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: Some people really don't give a fuck what they wear.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: They just want a shirt.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 10: I just need to wear a shirt today to get
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 10: in your establishment.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Again, the freeze t-shirt, they go on.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 10: Some people just don't care.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: I mean, they're just ambivalent to it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: Or in gangster rap, wearing sports where the two.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Things don't have anything. It's the color scheme. It means
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: something other than what it says.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it represents something different than what it was intended.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: But no, I mean, that's true. There is a lot... Like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: it is a joke, again, when we're making fun of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: America here, that, like, free t-shirt day. Like, you could
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: care less what it... Like, if there's one thing people love,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it's a free t-shirt. So it's like, that's kind of true. Like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you could set up whatever and give out a shirt
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: with whatever you want on it, and I bet... Within
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: a while, you'll see them wandering around the city, and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: people have no idea what they're wearing.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, it doesn't even have to be their size. People
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: freak out over it.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I'm giving free.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: T-shirts out here sometimes, and the sizes are off, and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: people just are like, oh, I'll take it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: I was thinking the size ones. Like the ones that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: are like just like a tent and you just wear
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: it and it's like down your neck.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: Oh, the one size fits all. I love the one size.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: I love how they package them in like this. They
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: suck all the air out of like a bag and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: it's so conformed and you pull it out and it's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: like unfolding a flag.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You better do it right. Well, you definitely veered off
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: into general nerd culture here. Do we have any other
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: comics we want to hit? Is there anything major that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about that we haven't already? I mean,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: there's Still like 15 more I could rattle off. Everyone,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: just like anything else we need to cover that you'll
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: be like, ah, I can't believe we didn't talk about.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Whatever.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: I have a feeling it's going to happen later.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will. I mean, again, there's a ton
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of them here. But I guess I don't want to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: just rattle them off.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 10: Maybe we shouldn't so we have those moments later on.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 10: I want to have that moment now.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Of the stuff that I just came across that we
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about. Let's see. Old Boy being originally.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: That's a lot.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: That movie made me mad.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 10: And it got remade as well.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: It gave me a hell of a hard time. I'll
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 9: never watch that movie again. That's like watching, you know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: like Requiem for a Dream.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: That's my never-watch-again movie.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: That's, yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: Is that the one with Robert Williams?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're funny. So the fact that that was
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a comic originally is kind of mind-blowing. Oldboy was a comic?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: Was it a Korean comic?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, South Korean.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: Well, it's definitely not North Korean here. There ain't any
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: comics up there. However, I read a really compelling graphic
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: novel that was written about North Korea, and I wish
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 9: I could remember the name of it, but it was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: about this animator and his animation... was being done in
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: North Korea to save money. And so he rewrote this
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: graphic novel about his time in North Korea and it
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: was terrifying. I like the stuff that he saw. I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: wish I could, I could probably look it up, but
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: that's a big read. You should read that.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Sounds kind of like Persepolis. No, but I'm just saying
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that's a new, another reminded me of another new one.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Like I still need to watch that one. I've seen
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the trailer. I'm like, that looks good.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: Amazing.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: That's a good one. If you guys haven't seen it,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: I like.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: That one a lot.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 15: Talking about movies you never want to see again brings
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 15: to mind Grave of the Fireflies.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: I love that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: I want to see that, though, because I've never seen that.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 15: It's good, but it's just like I watched it alone
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: in an attic, and when I was over, I went
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 15: downstairs and cried.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: It was just so sad.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 10: Maybe a different part of the house you would have
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 10: been all right.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 15: Or if there's just been a friend there to be like, buddy,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 15: it's not real.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: Friend in the attic or myself in the kitchen. But
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 10: I do want to see. That keeps popping up, and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 10: I keep hearing good things about it. I just haven't
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: tracked it down.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's out there.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 15: I think I first saw it streaming somewhere on the internet.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 10: See, I get it. Well, I say track it down.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's not on Netflix.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: That's as much tracking as it is.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 11: Instant queue.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: It doesn't take much tracking.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: No, this is back before Netflix.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 15: Back when you had to, like, you used to be
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 15: able to watch anime on YouTube before they realized that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 15: they had to get rid.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: Of all that.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: And they haven't taken it down.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 15: Or, like, I just Google, like, watch this for free.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: So this graphic novel. Now, I'm not really good at
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 9: pronouncing things, so please. It's the capital of North Korea.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: So it's Pyongyang.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: Pyongyang.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: Pyongyang.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: A Journey in North Korea. And it was written by
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: Guy Delis. He's a French person, so it's probably mispronounced, too.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: But this graphic novel was really compelling. Because, I mean,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: we don't really know a lot about North Korea, the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: hermit country. And I still think it's so interesting. This
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 9: country is so crazy. I just can't get enough. This
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: is the first time you actually... get to see it
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: in comic form, like what's going on. And some of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: the things, like for instance, he goes, you know, like
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: the whole time I was there, I never saw one
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: disabled person or one old person on the street. What
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 9: does that say?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: It's made of people. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: It's really good though.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: We don't know a lot about that country. It really is.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: You know, and in the information world, it's really this
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: black hole of just not knowing really. They, uh, HBO
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: has a show, I forgot the name of it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 10: Vice.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: Vice, yeah. And they sent a crew over.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 10: It started off before.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: I watched that on YouTube. But I just saw it
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: on HBO. That's a good one. And they sent a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: crew over and It was just so eerie. It's alien,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: isn't it?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: First off, I didn't think they had tall buildings.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: They had the tallest buildings.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I did not think they had these.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: The people are starving and they have the tallest buildings.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: Let your season on.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: And that was the other thing. The city, the entire
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: country is usually black.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: But when they were there all these lights and they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: just they put on this show and this whole it's
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: just it's scary it's very scary to find out what's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: like they went to an office building they interviewed somebody
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: and they were just like talking Oh, no, they were searching.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: They were on the computers, but they weren't actually doing anything.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: They were doing this.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 10: So it was like every TV show.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they were doing this, and the camera crew got
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: a peek of one and got in trouble, got pushed back.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 10: Got a peek of one.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: They were just on the Google homepage typing in the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: search bar.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Did I do that a couple hours a day?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: The search bar was, please help us, please help us.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: It's very eerie, the show that they put on. Because
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: if they're putting that much of a show on, what
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: is behind the.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 10: Well, those people are dead.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Sadly, that's true.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: Another graphic novel that I really love that became an
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: animated movie was Cat Shit 1, Apocalypse Meow. Have you
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: guys read that?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 10: Too funny for me.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: It's dark.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: It's dark. Because the Japanese version of this manga is
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: called Cat Shit 1. And it is so good. If
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: you don't understand, like I did for a long time,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: about what happened in the Vietnam War, this is a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 9: really good book to read because it will break it
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: down for you. And the way they drew it was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: the American army is depicted as rabbits. The Vietnamese army
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: is depicted as felines. The Japanese army is depicted as chimps.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: the Russians are depicted as bears, and the pandas are Chinese.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: And it breaks down every battle. And it's dark. It
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: is dark, guys. Like, there's a freaking cat, and he's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: going through the brush, and he has rabbit ears around
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: his neck. And he's like, yeah, like, it is. Because
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: I really love the Vietnam, like, drama movies. Like, I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: just like war movies in general. And so, like, I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 9: just ate this manga up. And it's, like, drawn so cute.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: And this is, like, a reason I love anime so
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: much is that juxtaposition of like horror and just saccharine
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 9: cuteness like and they just put it together it's just
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: like what is going on It's cute because, like, you see.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: This sounds like Watership Down. I was going to say
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Watership Down. I'm still recovering from Watership Down.
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  Speaker 10: It makes you hate bunnies.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: This rabbit.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 9: Like, you see, like, the rabbit, like, GIs, and they're, like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: going to these brothels, and they're taking, like, the cat, like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: feline-like girls into, like, rooms. So I'm like, how's that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: going to work?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 10: That's what I was thinking. God disapproves.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: You thought about that a lot. Yeah, I did.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, seriously.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 10: That's a wholly different manga.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: Read that. That's cool devices.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: Oh, is it?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: First episode of Protosaurus.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: While we're doing the ones from other countries, has anybody
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: seen Chicken with Plums?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I've heard a really good thing. I think it just
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: made its way over here recently. I think it's listed
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: as 2011, but I think we just started getting versions
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: of it over here as far as the movie. But yeah,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: it started out as like a graphic novel. It's like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a French-German version, but I don't know. I just didn't
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: know if anybody else had seen it. I think I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: was talking about it and said it was really good.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: I missed the Evangelion midnight movie.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: Oh. Which one?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: I didn't know. Because, like, I went to karaoke and
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: I would... I have Rei Ayanami tattooed on my arm.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: That's how much I love Evangelion. Like, and I would...
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: If I would have known... Because I've seen the other ones.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: It's just so weird.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah. It's my favorite anime ever. Like, ever. And I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: was like, oh, man. And it was sold... It was
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: actually sold out, which is real rare for a midnight movie.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: It's harder to get people to leave the house.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: It's rough.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: You forgot about 300.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It was on here. That was one of them. I... Again,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: it's just.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: I have that in my background.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know what they're calling it, but there's an
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: actual sequel.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: Isn't it like a prequel?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: 299.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: Rise of an Empire? Rise of something, isn't it? Yeah,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: I forgot what it's called.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: Oh, so Lena Headey could be alive.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: He's a weird director. He's so fixated on very specific things.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Mostly the human body. He's very obsessed with it. Watching
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Superman lift stuff up with his shirt off, I was
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: just like, man, you really like him, don't you? But
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: it's that same thing. He does it with both genders, too.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: He's very weird and fixated.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: On the physical form.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: I did not like that.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 10: You're talking about Sucker Punch?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, Sucker Punch is the middle version.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: I wanted to like that, but I was like, it's just...
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 10: It's kind of fascinating.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's good, but looking back,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: because we did a pretty light pass on it when
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: we talked about it the first time we watched it.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: And then since then, I almost want to go back
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: and revisit it and do a whole other episode. Because
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: there's layer upon layer of weird stuff going on. And again,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of weird. Like, it's the most inside
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: a director's head you can get. Like, it's so weird.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: That was all him, right?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: He wrote it.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: He directed it. Like, it was his property. And it's like,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: it's so inside his head.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 10: He plays baby doll.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: To a weird, scary place. I don't know. I feel
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: like that. But again, with all of his other, like,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: he's done so many treatments of other people's work. It's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: kind of weird seeing his own stuff and seeing it
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: gets even more twisted.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: But I felt like, yeah, 300 was that.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: I'd like to re-watch Sucker Punch 2 and think about it.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: I've watched it once, but I kind of glazed over
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: it so quickly.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Because I saw it in the theater and I was
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: just like, I even had issues with it in the theater.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: But now I've built into huge issues with it. Have
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you read the graphic novel?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: It's a real short one.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Is it one he did beforehand?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 10: You talking about 300?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: No, I was talking about Sucker Punch, which is not
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: even a graphic novel. But no, 300, I have not
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: read the novel.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: It's a really short one.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 9: It's an easy read.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 10: Is that also Frank Miller? Who did 300? Frank Miller.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: He has a color one, too.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 10: I'm trying to think who's got the most graphic novels
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 10: turned into film.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Frank Miller's... with.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 13: What two stanley yeah all right godfather of graphic novels
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 13: i gotta leave now you.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Didn't mention hellboy which we hadn't gotten to that no i.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: I thought i heard someone over here mentioned hellboy uh
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: that's a pretty huge yeah it's a big.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: And again giving it to a director who actually cared
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: about the property you got pretty good movies out of.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: It I don't think... They had two of them, right?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they had the two.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: I don't think I ever saw the second one.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if he's coming back.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 13: He says that he's still working on a Justice League
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 13: Dark movie, which would be awesome, because he's really good
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 13: at weird supernatural shit, but I don't think any studios would.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: Ever let him make that movie. Well, if Guardians of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: the Galaxy does well, then all the weird shit can
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: start to come out of the world. Yeah, the DC
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: has a lot more to sort out than.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: And Marvel does. Yeah, they do have a Quilt Man,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: I think, is one of their villains.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: Quilt Man.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 13: I mean, I just, cinematically, they have a lot to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 13: fix before they're really on the same level as Marvel.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: I want to see the Marvel Lockjaw movie.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: It's so cute.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: That dog looks like Lockjaw.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: What was the cat's name?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 10: One Furball, isn't it?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: I think it was Furball and Lockjaw, yeah.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: He had a toonie fork on his head, man. I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: just put that on my pug, and he was just
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: like Lockjaw.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: That's how they communicate.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Any rocketeer fans no i like i it's one of
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: those i i the movie's just so much damn fun
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: i like the movie i haven't read the comic but
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: i i i think they made a fun movie out
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: of it it's ridiculous at points but again i think
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: it also he he does a good job capturing that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: time period i think he really does sort of he
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: seemed like he liked that era that he set it
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: in and he does a pretty good job with that.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: Well, yeah, it does feel like it was pulled out
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 10: of that. Like if you're a kid watching, like if
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: that came out during that, obviously, well, if that came
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 10: out during that time, you'd freak out. Cause it's like,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: what is this happening? This is normally black and white.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 10: But I'm just saying that's like, it was directly pulled, um,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: you know, from the mindset of, of that, that decade.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, even to the point of adding in that villain,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: who's basically just the, the, their fictional version of, of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Rondo that like it's, they even have a villain from
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: other movies of that era, uh, put in there as
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: a real guy in their fictional world. But yeah, I mean,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: he's just such a tribute to that time period that
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I think that angle of it's pretty good. Again, it
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: has its silly moments, but it's important.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 9: If you guys haven't seen it, or read it, rather,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: read the Akira manga, too.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 10: I was watching that the other day, actually.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was lucky enough to see it at Baxter
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: when they re-released it with the new... Because they released
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: Akira in the mid-2000s with different voice actors. Remember that?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: Huh.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I remember them doing it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: It's kind of lame. Because I had the Letterboxd tape
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: when I was a kid, and it was like, oh, wow.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: Because I really liked Akira. But the manga is really good.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: It's like five huge graphic novels. I remember when I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 9: first got into collecting comics, I would find these sporadic comics.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: Usually a book of music exchange, and they were in color,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 9: these Akira books. And then they re-released it. In 99, 2000,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: and there were these huge graphic novels, like this big,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 9: and they're black and white. And Tetsuo was my favorite character.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: And all this character development for Tetsuo, which is so great.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: He's having headaches, and then he's a blob thing and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: exploding in a hallway. He has this whole great story.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 9: I don't know. If you guys haven't read it, read them.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: They're so good. They're so weird.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 15: I really like that movie. I've never had a chance
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 15: to get over to the comics.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 9: I like the soundtrack, too, like the weird light chanting.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 15: I swear I've heard some of those tracks on NPR sometimes.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 15: And some of the weirdest transitions I'll hear then.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 10: I'm like, were y'all watching Akira?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: What's going on back there?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 12: The first graphic novel I think I ever read was
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 12: this adaptation of Gilgamesh.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: It just came to mind.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 12: There's some ninjas in it.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: No, really, it's fascinating. Like you have these ninjas stalking you.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: That's so strange.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 12: Because that's the oldest known epic, right?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: Is that right?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 9: I think there was something written during the Mesopotamian era.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: A woman, actually, which was the first story ever written.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: But then Gilgamesh is, I think, the first epic. I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: just took an art history, Western art history class. I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: think that's what I read.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 15: Might be talking about the epic poetry form, if you
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 15: want to get that kind of deep. Maybe it was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 15: the first example.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm an English major, guys. No, no, actually, I mean,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: that's why.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 12: I brought it up, because I wasn't quite sure. But
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 12: it's really, it's a really cool graphic novel. And I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 12: think it was written as a graphic novel.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: It wasn't, like, a serialized.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 16: Weird.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: But it's, I.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 12: Think he had a twin, and there was a woman
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 12: in it. It was sort of like a Baroness-type character
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: that was sending these ninjas to, like, assassinate him. Anyway,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 12: that's all I can recall. I didn't know if you'd
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 12: even heard of it.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: I still want to see Why the Last Man. They
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: can do that. That's how hard is that? It's a monkey,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 9: a man, and a mask. A bunch of women. We
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: can do this. Have you guys read Why?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the saga is supposed to be coming out.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: One day, all mammals with the Y chromosome die. Except
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: for Yorick and.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: His pet monkey.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: It's amazing. And chaos ensues.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: That would happen.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: Because like airplanes just fly up falling from the sky
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: because the pilot's dead and cars crashing and he's trying
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: to like get back to his girlfriend and the last
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 9: time he spoke he had like this really ambiguous conversation
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 9: like a really bad one when she was in Australia
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 9: like right before this happened and then he's like trying
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 9: to get to Australia to find her and it's done
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: it's a pretty long series but it's complete yeah like
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: I haven't actually read the last graphic novel so I'm
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: going to reread it all over again Um, but that is,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: it's good.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: I've always, I don't know. I just always liked the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: independent Western books better. I just could never, I couldn't
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: empathize with like the superhero comics as much. Like some
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: of them, like I said, were standalone that were so good.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 9: And I just could never get, like the X-Men were
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: close to something I could empathize to because of the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: mutant human struggle. But yeah, that's weird. I don't, I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: think I'm like the only comic fans like that.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other stuff.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: There's another.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: Carl.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: He's like that. I don't know.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: They say they're big comic fans, but I can't say.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: It's the form of, like, I've been drawing comics since
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: I was eight years old. I mean, no joke.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 10: Like, every day.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's my life. But, yeah. I think we've
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: put a nice dent in it.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: There's a few more we can save we can do
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: a reboot later if you.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 10: Want we can do a reboot the origins yeah exactly
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 10: go back to the origins and hit all these again
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 10: go over them one more time reboot this podcast so
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 10: do we have to do an origin story for the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 10: podcast yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: No because they can figure it out yeah they get
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of the show and they're like
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: oh I know these idiots talking I get it it's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: cool they understand.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: There's a wikipedia article for that I mean come on.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 10: You damn kids!
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 13: Wouldn't it be great if before every movie they just
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 13: displayed the Wicked Beauty?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. While you're sitting there waiting, instead of watching previews,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: just read about it. I get it, okay.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 10: And we just end up, thank you for saving us
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 10: 30 minutes of bullshit we already know.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Or they can pass.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: Out the programs that they do, like the Shakespeare ones.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Like, here's the acts broken down.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: They pass out a comic.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: A backstory pamphlet. That's what we need.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 10: Read this while you watch your preview.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 13: Eventually you're just going to start giving people comic books
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 13: before the movie.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: They just leave and read the comic books.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: It comes full circle.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: There you go. They just need a little intro version.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be like your primer to get you in there.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're like, alright, I'm caught up. Go on
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  Speaker 1: with the story. Well, speaking of handing out comic books, hey,
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  Speaker 1: where should people come to get their comic books?
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  Speaker 10: Comic book I mean throw those plugs throw those plugs
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  Speaker 10: in there one.
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  Speaker 6: More time just teasing oh you want me to throw
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  Speaker 6: a plug okay they should come to the destination at
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  Speaker 6: 5031 Shelbyville Road located behind Dee's Crafts and the Best
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  Speaker 6: Buy Shopping Center and they should talk to one of
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  Speaker 6: the friendly staff there maybe Evan Pack I'm not that
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  Speaker 6: friendly or Eric Gravely.
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  Speaker 10: But you don't openly make fun of them no we
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  Speaker 10: don't we don't judge here that's true no we don't
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  Speaker 10: judge at all see there you go now That's a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: If so, we wouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 6: If anything, customers judge me.
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  Speaker 10: You can make fun of us. You can make fun
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  Speaker 10: of us.
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  Speaker 6: You can come in and make fun of us to
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  Speaker 6: our faces.
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  Speaker 1: Just buy a couple comics. Just buy stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm okay.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about the tears on your comic book.
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  Speaker 10: Come back any time.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, I thought we'd throw that out there because
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: we wanted to thank you for letting us come loiter
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  Speaker 1: around in here.
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  Speaker 6: I thank you all for coming.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fun. It's been fun, and I'm all up
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  Speaker 1: for coming back.
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  Speaker 6: And all these comics we talked about. All these trades
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  Speaker 6: and graphic novels and comics.
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  Speaker 11: We talked about.
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  Speaker 6: Where will we get those?
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  Speaker 1: You can get them.
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  Speaker 10: You just plugged.
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  Speaker 6: At 5031 Shelby Road.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: You're doing an origin story.
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  Speaker 9: You're rebooting.
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  Speaker 5: Reboot.
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  Speaker 1: Reboot the plug.
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  Speaker 10: Don't reboot the plug.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
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  Speaker 1: next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 11: Stop talking about comic books or I'll kill you.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 14: I don't care if the Hulk could defeat the Man.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 11: Of Steel I'm gonna rearrange your face if you continue
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 11: to debate Whether Logan's claws could pierce Steve Rogers' shield
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  Speaker 11: I just couldn't care less if they'd.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: Bring back Kraven.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't care if Spider-Man's.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 16: A clone Stop spending all our cash on back issues
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 16: of The Flash Or I swear to God you're gonna
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  Speaker 16: spend your twilight years alone.
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  Speaker 18: You can call them graphic novels.
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  Speaker 11: They're still just plain old comic books to me.
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  Speaker 14: And I don't see why you.
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  Speaker 11: Must always ceaselessly discuss the post-zero hour continuity.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 14: For the last time, I won't read those Kirby X-Men.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 14: You know that I prefer the work he did for DC.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: We did it, guys.
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  Speaker 12: Was Hudson Hawk a graphic book or a comic?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Hudson Hawk? I never saw that movie. Oh, that Bruce
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Willis thing?
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  Speaker 8: What?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know people that that's like their favorite movie. You're
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: thinking of Red, which was a comic. Which we didn't address.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Red. Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: We forgot about Red, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That was.
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  Speaker 6: All the old people and secret agents. Let's just redo it.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: So anyway, Red. Run it back.
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  Speaker 6: We forgot Red. Run it back. Helen Mirren and John
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: Malkovich saved the world. Just add Red. Just add Red.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: I'll just be like this.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, remember Red? Yeah. No, tell me how that is.
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  Speaker 10: It's a really good movie and a good trade.
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  Speaker 1: You should read it.
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• 1:26:39
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• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: Talk hard.