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Dr. Craig Koniver - The Godfather of Peptides _ SRS _330 · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Dr. Craig Conover. Welcome. Thank you very much for having me, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited that you're here too. And so I guess
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  Speaker 1: we've been, we've known each other for two years already.
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  Speaker 1: I think about two years. Yeah. That's like, it feels
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  Speaker 1: like six months. Yeah, I know. Well, time is a
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: It is. It is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's been about two years we've been
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  Speaker 1: working together. Wow. Well, My health has gotten a lot
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  Speaker 1: better in the last two years. Good to hear. So
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  Speaker 1: thank you for that. Yeah, you're welcome. It's an honor
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  Speaker 1: to work with you. Yep. Likewise. Likewise. Yes. So Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Huberman connected us. That's right. And we've been working together
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  Speaker 1: ever since. That's right. Not together. You've been my doctor
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  Speaker 1: ever since. It's an extreme pleasure and honor. Likewise. Likewise.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going to go ahead and give you an introduction.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot of stuff to talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: Great. So here we go. Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Craig Conover, 20 years ago, you walked away from the
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  Speaker 2: disease-based model of medicine and founded Conover Wellness in Charleston,
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina, a science-driven practice focused on performance optimization and longevity.
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  Speaker 2: Since then, you've administered more than 50,000 peptide treatments, giving
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  Speaker 2: you what many consider the most extensive clinical experience in
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  Speaker 2: biological optimization in the country. Your patients include Navy SEALs,
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame athletes, Fortune 100 executives, and members of Congress.
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  Speaker 2: At 46, a near fatal blood clot nearly took your life,
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  Speaker 2: changing not only your health, but the way you viewed
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  Speaker 2: medicine and performance overall.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: So before we get to it, we've got a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things to knock out here. One, Everybody gets a gift. Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's definitely not going to help with your longevity, but
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  Speaker 1: they do taste pretty damn good. I love gummy bears. Literally.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect for me. Seriously. Right on. Thank you. Right on.
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  Speaker 2: And then I got a Patreon account, and we've grown
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  Speaker 2: it into one hell of a community.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're like 200,000 strong on there now. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And so, honestly....
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  Speaker 2: When I started this thing, I couldn't get anybody to–
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  Speaker 2: I had no advertisers. Nobody wanted to do business with me.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so we started a Patreon account and have grown
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  Speaker 2: it into one hell of a community. So they've been–
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these people have been with me since
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  Speaker 2: I was in the attic of my house. And then
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  Speaker 2: you see what it's grown into today, and that's all
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  Speaker 2: because of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I give them to give back
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  Speaker 2: is they get the opportunity to ask every single guest
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  Speaker 2: a question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is from Eric Auger.
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  Speaker 2: If you had a healthy 45-year-old guy in your office
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  Speaker 2: who wanted to be as strong, healthy, and mentally sharp
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  Speaker 2: as possible for the next 40 years, what are the
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  Speaker 2: top five things you'd tell him to do?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Yeah. I mean, I still think the,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's, I'd mesh it some basics. And then
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  Speaker 1: some things that probably aren't basic. So I think everyone's
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  Speaker 1: familiar with sleep and how important sleep is, right? I
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  Speaker 1: think sleep is really challenging for people, particularly in the
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  Speaker 1: modern day. I think the trouble is, from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: people have sleep attachments. So they're very worried about going
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  Speaker 1: to sleep. And if they get enough sleep, what does
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  Speaker 1: it mean the next day if they only get four
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  Speaker 1: hours or six hours? And so then people end up
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  Speaker 1: turning to pharmaceuticals, for example, right? And now they're taking Ambien.
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  Speaker 1: And I have plenty of patients who maintain good sleep
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  Speaker 1: on these drugs. However, we just have to wonder what
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  Speaker 1: is that doing to them long-term and even more than that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're getting to the deep restorative
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  Speaker 1: sleep phases from these drugs that help them fall asleep.
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  Speaker 1: So first thing is kind of lose a sleep attachment,
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  Speaker 1: but find some things that you can take intermittently for sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I look at sleep as like some nights I'll take, Theanine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of theanine right now. Sun Nights Ashwagandha,
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  Speaker 1: Sun Nights Glycine. Different compounds that are natural. We can
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  Speaker 1: get into peptides for sure that help promote not only
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  Speaker 1: falling asleep, but staying asleep. I think that's number one.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll get into further in the show about
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  Speaker 1: how important rest is, you know, for optimization, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be number one. Number two. I think the most
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  Speaker 1: important thing for people once you can sleep and have
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  Speaker 1: that foundation is changing, you know, what happens between your ears,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and changing your thought process, understanding that not
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  Speaker 1: every thought you think has to be true, um, and
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  Speaker 1: forming more of an empowerment type of approach and being positive.
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  Speaker 1: I think, um, I want to talk to you more
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  Speaker 1: about that because I think positivity is such a powerful tool, um,
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  Speaker 1: that's not talked about, particularly in the longevity space. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about compounds. Number three things that people can take, um,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a few supplements that I think stand
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  Speaker 1: out to me that really help people. Number one is CoQ10,
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  Speaker 1: coenzyme Q10. It's this fat-soluble vitamin coenzyme, works in the mitochondria,
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  Speaker 1: really helps our mitochondria work more efficiently, which is the
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  Speaker 1: battery of the cell. As people get older, certainly someone
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  Speaker 1: who's in their 40s, tends to be more in the
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  Speaker 1: kind of decline, starting to decline, starting to be more
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  Speaker 1: in the degenerative phase. We're hoping to change people into
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  Speaker 1: the regenerative phase, which is possible. But CoQ10 stands out.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone's going to take one supplement, that's the one
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  Speaker 1: I promote. CoQ10. CoQ10. Roger that. That'd be three things. Four,
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  Speaker 1: I'd get their hormones tested. I think the most tangible
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  Speaker 1: aspect to human health as we age is hormonal decline,
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  Speaker 1: meaning once we get hormones balanced and optimized, it becomes
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  Speaker 1: more tangible. For men, testosterone. Testosterone is a big deal. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of optimizing and replacing testosterone is so
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  Speaker 1: important for women. I think the most important hormone is
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  Speaker 1: thyroid and making sure their thyroid is optimized. So that's
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  Speaker 1: number four. Number five, just because I believe in them
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  Speaker 1: so much is figuring out, you know, peptides. They're such safe, safe,
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  Speaker 1: safe compounds and utilize correctly and judiciously and individualizing that
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  Speaker 1: and figuring out what that is. can accelerate kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting into that regeneration phase. So those five things I'd say.
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  Speaker 1: There's a follow on here. Okay. I like this one.
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  Speaker 2: And what popular treatments or supplements would you tell him
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  Speaker 2: not to waste his money on?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question too. You know, the way I...
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  Speaker 1: It's a good question because, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's promoting something these days. You don't, you just, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know. I think, you know, the thing, and
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  Speaker 1: I know we'll talk about it more. The thing that
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  Speaker 1: bothers me about whether you call it longevity or optimization
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  Speaker 1: performance medicine is kind of this model. Maybe we call
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  Speaker 1: it the biohacker influencer model, which is screaming at people
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  Speaker 1: to do everything. And the idea is if you don't
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  Speaker 1: do everything, you don't do anything. And from where I sit,
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  Speaker 1: that's very stressful. And so I have people come into
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  Speaker 1: my office every day taking 47 supplements, doing sauna, cold
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  Speaker 1: plunge every single day, taking 16 peptides, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Doing all these things. It's almost as if
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  Speaker 1: they've become so fragile that they can't even lead their life.
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  Speaker 1: And so getting away from that mindset, I think is
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  Speaker 1: the most important thing. There's not just everyone's so different, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like every certain people go through phases where they have
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  Speaker 1: to work on their liver detox that to work on
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  Speaker 1: figuring out their gut, they have to work on hormones,
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  Speaker 1: they have to work on their mitochondria. So it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to answer that. But I think from a mindset perspective,
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  Speaker 1: I'd encourage people not to get caught up in like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not doing all these things that people are
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  Speaker 1: yelling at you to do, that's, that's a better place
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  Speaker 1: to be. Okay. Is the, you brought it up cold
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  Speaker 1: plunge sauna. Yeah. Is it overhyped? I think it's good. Again,
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  Speaker 1: to me, everyone's got to figure it out themselves, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's good research on both, right? I'm personally
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  Speaker 1: not a fan of cold plunge. I don't like cold.
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  Speaker 1: Me neither. I just don't. So is there health benefits
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  Speaker 1: from doing cold plunge? For sure. I think it's overdone
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that you have to cold plunge every
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  Speaker 1: day or you have to reach a certain temperature over
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  Speaker 1: a certain time period for it to count, you know?
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of people, you know, helping shepherd
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  Speaker 1: people to make decisions and try things out, because to me,
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  Speaker 1: direct experience is the only thing that matters. So I
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  Speaker 1: want people to try it out, right? Like, try out
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  Speaker 1: doing the sauna. How does it feel? Be really honest
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  Speaker 1: with yourself. I tend to like sauna. We have an
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  Speaker 1: infrared sauna. I used to do it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I do it a couple times a week. I
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  Speaker 1: like how I feel, but I don't feel like I
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  Speaker 1: need to do it as much anymore. Cold plunge, I
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  Speaker 1: have lots of patients who do it religiously, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And I would just always ask the question, are you
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  Speaker 1: doing it because you're seeking alignment within yourself? Are you
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  Speaker 1: doing it because you're seeking permission? Are you getting allowance
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  Speaker 1: to do it? And I think there's a big differentiator there.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with diet. I mean, diet's very personal to people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's the best diet? I don't know, right?
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  Speaker 1: I want you to try different diets, whether it's carnivore, vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, paleo, keto.
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  Speaker 1: and see how you feel, right? And you're going to
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  Speaker 1: gravitate towards some at different points in your life and
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  Speaker 1: depending on what you're working on. I think that's great,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but there's whatever, 16 different diet books written
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  Speaker 1: every year telling people how to eat. I think it's overdone.
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  Speaker 1: Right on. What about water? Water's complicated, yeah. I think
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  Speaker 1: water can get deep. You can go into lots of
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  Speaker 1: different facets. I think, first and foremost, what you said,
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  Speaker 1: people need to filter their water. I don't ever drink
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  Speaker 1: tap water. I just think that you're taking from... I
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  Speaker 1: can't stand it anymore. I go to a restaurant, and
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  Speaker 1: if it's tap water, I won't... I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: healthy for people to drink. And if we look at
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  Speaker 1: it and analyze it, what's in that water? It's getting worse.
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  Speaker 1: It used to take.
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  Speaker 2: I'll probably throw a picture up here right now, but
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  Speaker 2: we got, me and my wife got a water filtration
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  Speaker 2: system for the first time, I don't know, three or
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  Speaker 2: four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it used to take, the first thing it goes
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  Speaker 2: into is this clear filter, then it goes through these
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  Speaker 2: huge tanks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably reverse osmosis or something. And actually, it's not
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  Speaker 1: reverse osmosis. Oh, it's not?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: But supposedly, it's better than that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if there is or not. I
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  Speaker 1: like it, and I can tell a huge difference. But
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  Speaker 1: it goes through this clear thing first. It used to
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  Speaker 1: take a couple of months for it to get gunk,
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  Speaker 1: like nasty looking. It's like two, three weeks now, and
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  Speaker 1: the tank is brown. It just shows you. There's particles
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  Speaker 1: floating in it. Yeah, and if you think about it,
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  Speaker 1: there's chlorines and fluorines and bromines. There's heavy metals. There's pharmaceuticals, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: where does it go? Where people excrete all these pharmaceuticals
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  Speaker 1: they're taking into our water supply. There's fluoride, I said.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much junk and toxins and pesticides, glyphosate.
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  Speaker 1: It's all in there. Yeah, yeah. And so, I think,
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  Speaker 1: to your point, filtering water, you know, but then you
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  Speaker 1: got to remineralize the water.
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  Speaker 2: You do need to remineralize.
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  Speaker 1: Mineralize, yeah. So, I mean, I think that's the best
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  Speaker 1: way to get minerals. is from the water. So you
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  Speaker 1: can either, you know, use a water filter and remineralize.
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  Speaker 1: You could drink sparkling natural water, you know, that has
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  Speaker 1: minerals in it. But without those minerals, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: could make an argument. I mean, there's several ways you
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  Speaker 1: could do this. You can make an argument that the
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  Speaker 1: decline of the human population over the last six years
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  Speaker 1: mirrors the loss of minerals from the soil, from our food.
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  Speaker 1: The human population is declining? For sure. I mean, we're devolving.
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  Speaker 1: I think for sure we're devolving. We're not evolving. We're devolving.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about deaths. Well, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: talking about our health. Yeah. Our health and chronic disease.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the whole world? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Have you ever seen that documentary? I
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  Speaker 2: think it's called something like Live to 100 or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: And they go to all these zones. Is it the
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  Speaker 1: blue zones? Yeah. Is that what they call it? I
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  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. There's like seven or nine
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  Speaker 1: blue zones around the world. Yeah, there's like Japan. They
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  Speaker 1: tried Italy is one of them. There's one in Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What are those people doing? I think they're doing many things, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to do now is they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to say, what exactly are those people doing to
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  Speaker 1: let them lead long lives? Obviously, there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: genetic contribution. But I think if I had to pick
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  Speaker 1: one thing that those communities do is they are a community.
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  Speaker 1: like they have strong connection and ties as a community.
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  Speaker 1: They also tend to walk after eating. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's subtle. So I think it's little things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but it's hard to extract and say, okay, what can
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  Speaker 1: I do here where I live to be like them?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is you're not. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's necessarily a good goal. It seems like they have
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  Speaker 1: a lot less stress. I think they handle stress differently.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think stress is such an interesting topic,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that, usually when I meet a client for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, I want to really understand how they're
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  Speaker 1: handling stress. And I don't just mean like, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about stress? We tend to, we like to
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  Speaker 1: do this urine and saliva hormone test to see how
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  Speaker 1: their adrenal glands, which is the triangular shaped glands sit
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  Speaker 1: on top of our kidneys that processes and metabolizes and
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  Speaker 1: excretes cortisol, which is our main stress hormone. And I
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of value in understanding, you know, cause
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  Speaker 1: there's a, we're hardwired for a cortisol response. Literally, it's
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  Speaker 1: hardwired into us. And once you start escaping that rhythm,
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  Speaker 1: bad things start to happen to people. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of fascinated by it. I put a lot of value
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  Speaker 1: in understanding, like, what are the biological mechanisms to how
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  Speaker 1: someone thinks and handles stress in their world? You guys
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  Speaker 1: did that on me, I think. I did that early
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  Speaker 1: with you, yeah. Your facility office down there is....
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  Speaker 2: You've just done an incredible job. Your team is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, we're talking right before the show started.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, you've really created, it feels like you're
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  Speaker 2: in a family. Everybody gets along. Everybody knows each other.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody takes their job very seriously. Everybody loves their job
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  Speaker 2: and wants to be there. You don't see that very
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  Speaker 2: many places.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's important.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think that we get to work with
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people and I really want to instill,
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  Speaker 3: its highest, you know, cause we get to, people are
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  Speaker 1: People aren't feeling good. And we put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time into kind of how do we create a unit?
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  Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for my team. Like they are just,
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  Speaker 1: they always show up. They want to work hard and
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  Speaker 1: they're really dedicated to helping the people we work with.
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciate you saying that. Well, they're awesome.
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  Speaker 2: So kudos to the Conover wellness team.
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  Speaker 2: The true professional, that's not the guy that's always on
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the run. It's the guy who never shows up on
• 17:48
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• 17:54
  Speaker 2: next point. Your phone is talking. It's talking through apps
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: you may or may not use. A lot of them
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you probably never use.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Talking to servers.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: That you've never even heard of. That are telling them
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: where you've been, where you are, what you buy, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: all kinds of other information that you don't want out.
• 18:26
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• 18:30
  Speaker 2: hit a button, close the app. You never have to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: open it ever again.
• 18:42
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• 18:44
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• 18:50
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• 18:55
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• 18:59
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• 19:04
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• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So let's go, let's dive into your story a little
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: bit here. And so you had a You had a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: death sentence at age 46, it sounded like.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I did. I did.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So I was, we have friends in Hawaii who we
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: see once or twice a year and we'd come back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It was August of 2020. And soon after we got back,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I started having abdominal pain. I tried to dismiss it,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: not think much about it, but it persisted, got worse.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So I was like, well, let me figure this out myself.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So I did testing on myself and from what I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: could see from the lab results, maybe I had a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: gut infection. So I was like, okay, I'm going to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: take some antibiotics. I'm even going to take some steroids
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: because to calm down the inflammation. I did that, seemed
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to get better. And then I remember I was playing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: tennis with my wife. It was Labor Day of that year.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And I had to stop playing And the pain was
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: so intense. So I have a friend who's a radiologist.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I got in touch with him. I said, hey, I
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: got to do a CAT scan. So he arranged for
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: me to get a CAT scan the next day. Went
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and had a CAT scan. Then I remember driving back
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: from my office. This was the day after Labor Day.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And he said, you need to go to the emergency
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: room right now. This is a very serious situation. You
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: have what's called a portal vein thrombosis. So this is
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a blood clot of the vein that kind of comes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: up from the lower extremities into the liver. So it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the main vein coming to the liver. If you lose that,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you die. And so I stopped at the office, picked
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: up my wife, didn't really know what was going on,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but I knew I was in a lot of pain.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And I honestly, I don't know if I'd ever heard
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of a portal vein thrombosis. I've certainly heard of a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: deep venous thrombosis, which is what a lot of people
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: have heard of a DVT. And I'd heard of a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism, which happens in the lung, blood clots in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the lung. But this was in between it. I don't
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: think I'd ever heard of a portal vein thrombosis. We
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: got to the emergency room. They started me on a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: blood thinner heparin. And I remember the ER doctor walked
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: in and he said, hey, did you see the actual
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: radiology report of what was diagnosed? I said, I didn't.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So he handed it to me and I read about
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the blood clot. But I also read that I had
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a mass in the head of my pancreas.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And I turned to him and I said, cause my
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: wife was sitting there and I said, I can't tell
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: her this. And so he told her and I can
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: still hear the shriek. That's 46 years old. I'm obviously
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: aware that if I had pancreatic cancer, that's almost a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: death sentence. Yeah. So it was during COVID. So she
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: had to leave, you know, couldn't stay in the hospital.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And they said, we want to do an MRI of your,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: liver to look at this more in depth. And I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: remember they took me up to the MRI suite, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Sean, they left me there for a while. Like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: there was a delay or something. And I had the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: most amazing experience maybe of my life where I was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: with God and just received tremendous peace. Like, knowing that
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: everything's okay. And it was an amazing moment. And all
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I can tell you, it's hard to articulate, but all
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I can tell you is it's all okay. You felt
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: at peace. I felt at total peace. Knowing that you...
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I just felt total peace. I just knew. I just
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: knew it was okay. Were you for sure you were
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: going to die? I wasn't sure. I can't say that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, a mass on your pancreas is... It's pretty
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: close to a death sentence. Uh-huh. So the next morning,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I got through the night. Next morning, that same ER
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: doctor comes in. Hold on. That just came over you?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I lost track of time, but it was probably over
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a two-hour time period. And let me back up. I've
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: always had a close relationship with God. It's always been
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: foundational for me. I've always felt connected to God. This
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't new, per se, like this feeling and what that
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: feels like. It was new and and how far it went.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It was new and like, wow, this is, it's all okay. Like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it's all okay. God told me he's got my back
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome. Wow. Regardless. So the next morning,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that same ER doctor came in and he said, hey,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about you overnight. Did you see your
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: MRI results? I said, no. He said, you don't have cancer. Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What did you have? So I can't tell you that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a miracle healing. It was gone. Gone.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Or, I mean, I'm pragmatic. I'm practical. Maybe
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it was an overread by the radiologist. I don't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But he saw something. He saw something. He wouldn't put
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it on the report. And my research after that is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that a portal vein thrombosis all the time occurs in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the setting of cancer. So maybe I did have a miracle. Seriously.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And I've witnessed other patients have miracle healing. I have.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's possible. I don't doubt it. And for your listeners,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and this is an important point, anything is possible. Anything
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: is possible. And for me, it was such a pivotal
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: moment in my life. And even though it was at
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: its potentially darkest hour, I would never trade that. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: would never do it differently. Ever. Because that experience I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: had with God and finding that total peace stays with
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: me to today. Wow. And I'm so thankful for that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That's powerful. So thankful. And that's why I just know
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it's all okay. No matter what. And I think when people,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: because people, a lot of time, they want to separate out, hey,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is this disease? How does this relate to God? It's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: all the same. It's all linked up. It's all synchronized. Obviously,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: depending on what people believe. But for me, so transformative.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Unbelievably transformative. And then, you know, it was a very
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: confusing time being a patient. I had, doctors didn't know
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: what to do with me. Hold on, how did you,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so then your wife comes back, how did she? Yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and then I, so yeah, sorry. So she comes back
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that morning and, you know, literally crying together, like she
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: spent the whole night upset. I mean, I get upset
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. Like she thought she was going to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: lose me.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And comes back and I get to give her the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: good news. You know, and I followed up on this.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I've done several scans since then. This isn't a fluke. Like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't have it. Wow. And, you know, and then
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: being able to, you know, I'm very grateful for my
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: wife because she's been my rock. Man, I love these
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: kind of stories. We're talking about some of this kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of stuff at breakfast.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Shit.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where it gets really real. This
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: was 2020? This was 2020. This was 2020, and, you know.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It just affected me personally, affected me professionally, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: because I still had the blood clot, but they didn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: know what to do with me, right? It was such
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a fluky thing. They, and, you know, I know we're
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going to talk a lot about peptides and kind of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: more outside-the-box therapies, but I want to make the point, like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: they put me on a blood thinner that I take
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to this day. I believe that pharmaceuticals are here to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: help us, you know, Do I have to take it?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Probably not, but it gives me peace of mind. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: for me, that's very important. Very important. I got a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: lot of life left. I got a lot that I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: want to help people. And so taking that blood thinner
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: every evening, easy. And I believe in it. I believe
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in it. Wow. But I mean, being in the hospital
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is so interesting because I was the patient. And what
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: happened was they released me the next day on a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: blood thinner. It was probably too soon. And by the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: end of the week, I had worsening pain. And I'd
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: go back to the emergency room. And they scanned me
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: again and said now the blood clot had extended and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: was now affecting my colon and my large intestine. And
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that they had to figure this out even further. They
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I had every test under the sun.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Never could find anything that said it was this or that. Very,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: very strange. So they switched up my blood thinner. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: was in the hospital for another, almost a week. And,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I met several doctors, and it really was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: profound for me. I'd been on this path of like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I think we're all on a path like, what are
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: we doing here? What is the purpose? And for me,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that's both personally and professionally, and being a doctor and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: knowing what I know, and then being treated as a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: patient by doctors, My hematologist is amazing. I still work
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with him today. These doctors were not very helpful. I remember,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I was in a lot of pain. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I remember saying, hey, can I get a prescription? I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: remember this conversation. Can I get a prescription for pain
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: medicine for when I leave? You don't need to give
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: me a lot. But just, I'm still in some pain.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking for a ton, but some. And they
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: told me no. We're not going to give you any
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: pain medicine. And I was like, I don't understand. I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: really confused. I have legitimate pain. I've been in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: hospital almost a week with a portal vein thrombosis that
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you guys have never seen. I'm 46 years old. and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you refuse to give me pain medicine.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: What is, what is, what's going on with the healthcare industry?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just, you can't get an, I don't
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: know what it's like everywhere here. You can't get an
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: appointment anywhere. It's like a six month wait.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, You go, you go there, they spend 30
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: seconds with you.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: All your blood work work looks great. They don't go
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: through shit with you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: You know? And I mean, didn't they just change the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: mammogram thing too? Weren't you supposed to get it? Yeah.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: They've lowered the age of mammograms, which I want to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: talk to you about. Yeah. Well, they, they, they spread
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it out. Like it used to be, I don't know.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: My wife knows we were just talking about this, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: it used to be every six months and now they've
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: up to two a year and they've I think they
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: raised the age I thought, but, and she's like, what, what, like,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: what is this?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So it's just.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: All the good doctors are now out of, out of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: insurance networks. They're all, they're all gone, you know?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And, and what, what, what happened? Like we, we, well,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we go to private health. I mean, yep. You come
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: see me. Yeah. I think, I think it's worth like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and this was a kind of inflection point for me
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: having this experience, you know, I've always kind of been,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: trying to understand how do we get here. And really
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: then I kind of dove into it. And if we
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: go back, and I want to express to your listeners,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the healthcare system is actually working perfectly because the healthcare
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: system treats us as customers, not patients. So it's working
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: just fine. Did you know it's the largest employer in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: almost every state? That's surprising. I didn't know that. In
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: many states, it's the fastest growing industry. Many states. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we have a system that's working super well as a business.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And what I learned from researching it, it goes back deep, right?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So in 1910, there was something called the Flexner Report,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: which was kind of created by John D. Rockefeller and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie, right? two of the biggest, wealthiest families in America.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And what the Flexner Report did was to look at
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: medical education and decide what should go forward and be
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: allowed and focused on and what should be excluded. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's hard for us to understand this because we live
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in 2026 where everything is dominated by pharmaceuticals and randomized
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: controlled studies and surgeries. But if you go back to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: before the 1900s, other types of health modalities were flourishing
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that we now, in very real sense, consider rogue, right?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm talking about acupuncture, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbalism, hydrotherapy, fitness, nutrition.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: What they did literally was say medical education can't focus
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on those. And I lived it, right? I went to medical,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I graduated in 2000. And the model that I came
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: up from, which I'm sure is teaching today, is when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a patient walks in the room, you're immediately thinking, what
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: medicine am I prescribing? You're not thinking what's going on
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: with the patient, what's the story, how did they get here,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what are they feeling? You're thinking, what diagnosis can I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: come up with to give them a medicine or three medicines?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: And that system works very well in this system. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: so for a lot of people talking about, oh, peptides, right? Well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: there's no studies because we've been trained to think that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count unless there's a study. But if we
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: go back and look, for example, ashwagandha is a botanical
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: herb used in the Ayurvedic system. It's been in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: historical record for thousands of years. Thousands of years. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I remember I gave a talk many, many years ago
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: at this power company in Charleston. We're talking about sleep.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We're talking about different natural options. And I said, well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: ashwagandha actually is great at helping clear out cortisol receptors
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and people, you know, observing them sleep better. over time
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: taking ashwagandha, it's very safe. And a gentleman raised his hand,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, has it been studied? I said, well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it's been studied in the historical record for thousands of years,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: because that doesn't matter. What do you mean that doesn't matter?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But that's where we are, right? And so we have,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we've been trained, we've been programmed that we have to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: look at anything like we do pharmaceuticals. But the reality
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: is we can't, right? The pharmaceutical testing is very expensive.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone knows that. Exorbitantly expensive. And it's also
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: very biased, right? I don't put a lot of weight
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: on that. Like when I'm sitting in front of a patient,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in them. I want to know what works
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: for them. I'm not interested in a study that says, hey,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: if you're 45, I don't even know what that means.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Most of it's done in artificial settings. They certainly can't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: control for the things they say they can control for.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Rarely do they control for all the variables of being human, sleep, diet, movement,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: thought process. It just doesn't happen. Now, again, I'm not
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: saying pharmaceuticals are bad. I don't think that pharmaceutical companies
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: are evil. I think they're playing perfectly into the industrial
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: medical complex perfectly. And I point that out to your
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: listeners because we don't talk about this enough, right? We
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: talk about it as there's one way to do this, right?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And if you look at statistically, the majority of Americans
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: take pharmaceuticals. That's how we define health. Yet the majority
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of Americans are overweight, tired, and depressed as well. Very true.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And it's challenging. It's challenging for listeners to know what
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to do, where to turn. I mean, I feel like
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of waking up to this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I do too. I'm hopeful. I sure as hell am.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And I actually think that COVID and the pandemic, as
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: bad as it was, there was a silver lining there.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I think doctors lost a lot of faith and trust
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: from people. And for good reason.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: For good reason. But I think it helps spur on
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: for people. I want to take care of myself. You know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I got COVID the next year after I got that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: portal vein thrombosis. It was August of 2021. I got COVID.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I think it was the Delta variant. I almost died again.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been as sick as that. I mean,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I was out of commission for three weeks at home
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: on oxygen. Holy shit. And I couldn't get better. Like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it was one of the weirdest times. Like I would,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I just, and I finally had to be hospitalized and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to the hospital because I
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was afraid if my blood, I would measure my blood,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: my oxygen saturation. It was in the 80s, right? It
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: should be 95 or higher, certainly 93 or higher. Mine
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: was in the 80s and I'd be at oxygen and
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I knew if I went in, they'd want to put
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: people on ventilators and that was killing people because we
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: didn't know. Shit. Crazy times. And so I was reluctant
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to seek help for sure. Wow. Then eventually I had
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to go to the hospital and I did fine, but...
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: How long were you in there? I think, so I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: went for a weird reason. So I developed, I think,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: pneumonia on top of the COVID and I was taking
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: an antibiotic, but because I was on a blood thinning medicine,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the antibiotic made my blood thinner, made my blood super thin.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: There was an interaction there. Gotcha. And I remember waking
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: up I was sleeping on the couch. I couldn't even
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: sleep in bed with my wife because it was so
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable and I was on oxygen. I didn't want to
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: disturb her. But I remember I was in the middle
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of the night, woke up, and I started urinating frank
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: blood because my blood had gotten so thin that I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was literally urinating blood. I woke her up and I
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was like, I got to go now. And I went,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and it all worked out okay. I mean, and I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: only had, I stayed there, I think, it was either
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: one or two nights. I had to stay in the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: emergency room. There wasn't even, the hospital was packed. It
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was totally full. Jeez. But I think there's some silver lining.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, people, to your point, are
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: waking up saying, I want more than just taking a pill.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I sure as hell did. Everybody I know has. Yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's like two healthcare systems now. There's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the private healthcare system that everybody seems to be gravitating towards.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And then there's the traditional one, the traditional American one.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or maybe North American one.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But there's the in-network and out-of-network. I think it's accurate.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And nobody wants to be in-network anymore. Well, I think–
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Especially– people my age and older. I think a lot
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: of the young people don't really care yet, but they should. Well,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's time for evolution of it. I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: that if we look at the history of it and
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: people saying, well, I have health insurance. Health insurance is
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: not for the healthy. It's a disease-based approach.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And I think it does a good job. When I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: was really sick, as much as I questioned it, I
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: still was there to help me. If you Fracture your leg.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It's there to help you. If you're in an acute situation,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: it's there to help you. But that's not how we
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: get healthy and that's not how we optimize. And I
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: think that's why people are getting disgruntled. Is there any,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: what do you think about the ivermectin thing? I have
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a big thing. of ivermectin. Is it true this is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: an anti-cancer drug too? Yeah, I think it can be
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: used for that. How do you use it for that?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I think it depends, right? So they're looking at it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: more and more in terms of how to dose it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I learned about it during COVID, right? And we learned
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: about people doing research in terms of clinical research, in
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: terms of weight-basing ivermectin, where we would use a dose
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of 0.2 milligrams per kilogram, meaning you find out the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: patient's weight, and then you do a calculation, say this
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: is how much they need, and you'd either give it
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to them, you know, again, for COVID symptoms, even though
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it got such a terrible rap, you know, after Joe
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Rogan said he was using ivermectin, then the world came
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: down saying, how dare you, even though it's been used
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: for decades safely worldwide. I mean, ivermectin is a inexpensive,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: valuable medicine. But during COVID, one of the big troubles
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: not to get off course, I'll come back, is all
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the focus was on the vaccines. The focus was not
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: on treatment. And that's still probably true to this day.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're still promoting COVID vaccines, which is crazy
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to me. But if we remember, it was all about
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you need to get your vaccine, not that what do
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you do if you get COVID? And ivermectin seemed to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: be for a lot of people, again, just clinically a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: way out and a quick way out. And so since
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that time, people have been exploring, can we use it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: for other inflammatory conditions, whether it's viral illness, whether it's cancer?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Cancer's complicated. But I'll tell you an interesting thing. To
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: this day, if I were to call in, send in
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: ivermectin for a patient to a pharmacy, they wouldn't fill it. What? Why? Why? Yeah, yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that's every pharmacy, because
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: it's not true, but it's most. And they say, What
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: is the diagnosis code? And now, that doesn't matter, right?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: If I see you as a patient and I decide, hey,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: this is an appropriate drug, and I want to make
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a point to patients because this always comes up, well,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it's off-label. 90% of medicine that's prescribed is off-label, by
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the way, meaning we use it outside of the indication
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that the FDA approved it, right? So the best example
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: is antibiotics. Antibiotics tend to have a very narrow classification, right?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: meaning I'll take penicillin for a type of bacteria. However,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: people use penicillin for lots of different bacteria. We don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: actually test the bacteria anymore in many ways because that's inefficient.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Most medicine is prescribed off-label. And so what they're saying,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: so the FDA approval for ivermectin has nothing to do
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: with a viral illness, has nothing to do with cancer.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So this has happened to me so many times where
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I thought it was appropriate because of the safety profile,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: number one, it's super safe. We don't see side effects
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: from ivermectin. And two, my clinical observation and working with
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: patients and having a relationship and prescribing is they seem
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to get better faster than ones using ivermectin, not always.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And so if I send that into a pharmacy, I've
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: spoken to so many pharmacists who say, well, we need
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the diagnosis code. And I was like, well, here's a diagnosis.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That doesn't qualify. We can't prescribe it. We're not filling it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: What was it originally used for? I feel like it was,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't even remember at this point. It
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was like something along the lines of like scabies or
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. Some like small. Yeah. That's what's used
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like for worldwide. We'll call it a parasite. Gotcha. Like
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a type of parasite. So if you tell the pharmacy, Oh,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: it's a viral illness because there's a diagnosis good for that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They'll say that doesn't qualify. So we're not filling it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: And I'd say, well, So you're going to stand in
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the way of the patient getting the medicine and say, well,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: we don't feel comfortable feeling it. I mean, this is
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a real thing. Very strange. And I think it's a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: huge disservice. Huge disservice to patients. Because, again, I'm trained
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: as a doctor. We've all heard of the Hippocratic Oath.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Why have they? I think it got politicized. That's it?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: It got politicized. It was determined, again, if I don't know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: this is just my observation here, We go back to COVID,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: we're more interested in the COVID vaccine and, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: giving everyone a vaccine than actually coming up with solutions
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to help them when they got COVID. And I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it's a remnant of that. And people were taking ivermectin,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: having success, and that was like, how dare you? You
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: should be vaccinated.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And it became this, you know, line in the sand,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: which I think is unfortunate. Yeah, I just, I was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: just in Mexico, bought a ton of ivermectin. Because I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: was reading about the anti-cancer. It could be a deterrent
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: or anti-cancer.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of this. I mean, there's
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a big push. I don't do it, per se, because
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I don't really work with cancer. But there's a big
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: push from doctors who work with cancer repurposing drugs to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: help with cancer. So there's different clinical scenarios. I've heard
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of patients using doxycycline, ivermectin, mobendazole, and other antiparasitic medicine.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Methylene blue, which we'll talk about, is another one of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: these agents which can be helpful. Metformin is another one.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole host of them that we
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: can actually be smart about. Doxycycline, huh? Doxycycline seems to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: kill cancer stem cells. So it's not allowing those cancer
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: stem cells to grow. Again, cancer is very complicated. I'm
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: not an expert by any means. But I think, you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I think if I try to answer questions, what would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I do? If I developed cancer, I would want every
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: option on the table. Yeah, me too. And unfortunately, in
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the United States, it's very limited. In the state of California,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, I learned this recently because I talked to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a doctor. State of California, I don't know if this
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: is still true, but it was true. If they see
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a patient who has cancer and you recommend something that's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: not a pharmaceutical, they'll come after your medical license. Not
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: surprising at all. Yeah, and that's not how we make progress, right?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges, we live in such
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: a dogmatic society. It's either bad or good. This is evil.
• 45:45
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• 45:49
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• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Before we move on to the outer and the inner war,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I forgot to bring up some of this ancient medicine stuff.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Native American, Egyptian, Greek. Yeah, I mean, I think for me,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: first of all, for whatever reason, I've been fascinated with
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: ancient history. I remember being as early as five years
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: old or six years old, reading about ancient worlds. I actually,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in college, I majored in something called Old World Archaeology
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and Art. I've been on archaeological digs. So I've always
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: had this fascination with what happened in the ancient world.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And then I go to medical school and then learning about,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: kind of just changing how I think in terms of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I learned that the medical model was really two things.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Either you're going to take a medicine or multiple medicines,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: or we're going to have surgery. And when I kind
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of started thinking about what do people do 100, 200, 300, 1,000, 2,000
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: years ago, they seemed to me more connected, one, to God,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and two, we're trying to articulate systems for human health,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: but they just didn't have the vocabulary to describe that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: we would, you know, term that in modern terms. Uh,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and I find this fascinating, you know, um, because I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: really do think that in many ways as a society,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: maybe across the world, we're devolving. We're going the wrong direction.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: You know, and I think some of that is our knowledge.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: but certainly the wisdom that's applied. We're totally disconnected from nature.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: What do you mean devolving? Like we're getting sicker? We're
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: getting sicker, dumber, and less connected. I think most people
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: could recognize that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was watching a document. I can't remember
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the document. I'm trying to think of the name, but
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it's not going to come to me.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: But it was talking about A lot of the diseases
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that we have today are not even organic diseases.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: They're man-made diseases like cancer. That's what I'm talking about.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: The pollutants and microplastics and fucking smog. You name it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: It's all the shit in the soil, all the chemicals, everything.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't even have these diseases.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: If we wouldn't have destroyed the planet. 100%. So tying
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it back to what I call the outer war. That's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that we're being poisoned and it's very real. For example,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: men with testosterone today, it's like 50% less than our grandparents.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: It's a real thing. Why is it? What happened? I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: think it's what you just said. I think if we
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: look at what the environmental toxins, for example, microplastics, we
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: look at even just the things that people probably don't
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: take seriously, but the Wi-Fi. All the invisible waves. We're
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: so connected to these phones and screen time and changing
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: our physiology. You think the EMF stuff is... I think
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it's very real. I think it's very real. What do
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you do about that? Again, I try to be practical, right?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: There's some people who are saying, never use your cell phone.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: That seems stupid to me, right? It's such a convenience
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and such a tool. And I struggle with it. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: should put my phone down more. For sure. I struggle
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: with this. So what do I do? I try to
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: limit it, right? I certainly don't, I try to keep
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: it off me as much as I can, right? So
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I used to have it in my pocket
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: all the time. I think that's probably bad, right? It's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: an antenna. So if I'm sitting anywhere, I have it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: put down. And then something that I found to be
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: really good is this device called Blue Shield, B-L-U Shield.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Blue Shield. Yeah, it's a company called Blue Shield. And
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: they make this device, and I've gotten to know the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: guy who runs it really well, Brandon, who's super smart.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: They make it this cube that I put in our bedroom.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And it helps to mitigate the incoherent effect of Wi-Fi. Now,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: this is not my territory. I don't understand this well.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: But the way he explained it is, we have all
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: these waves coming at us, which is... You know, they
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: desynchronize our own physiology, our own biochemistry, the rhythms of
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: our body. And something like this cube, it helps to
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: get them back in sync. That's the best I can understand. Interesting.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to paint. Yeah. You've heard of the
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: EMF paint? Yeah, you know. I was going to do that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: And then I read that you don't want to do
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that because then, yeah. I read that if it is
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: in there, then it's bouncing around and it's actually worse.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. And so, you know, I think,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you know, one thing I'm excited about for our new
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: office is I think kind of the next phase in
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: wellness is how do we deal with this energy? What
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: is energy? You know what I mean? And so we're
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: going to be setting up the first of its kind
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: with the help of Brandon, you know, different modalities such
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: as PEMF, which is Pulsed Electrical Magnetic Field Therapy. People
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: are pretty familiar with that. We're not just electrical beings,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: but we're magnetic beings. We're going to combine that with
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: vibrational therapy. What is that? What does that look like?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Vibrational is where there's like these big plates and it
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: basically just vibrates you. Because the mechanical force on your body, right?
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons that's not spoken about,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: but exercise is so important because you're changing the mechanical
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: force on yourselves. And again, tying it back to what
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: did people used to do thousands of years ago, right?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: They had to do things like a lot of walking.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: They had to lift heavy stuff. They had to sprint
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: every now and again. They were in touch with nature
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: in ways that we don't. Now, I'm not saying don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: go to a gym because we have to work out
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and we have to take care of ourselves. But most
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of us, you know, work out under artificial lights, right?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: We don't take our time when we work out. We're
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: rushing through. We're certainly not focused on the workout. We're
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: thinking about what do I got to do next, you know?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And I think just trying to tie it all together
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to answer your question about ancient, it's very hard for
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: us to understand what people did in the ancient world
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: because we think that we are evolving and that everything's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: getting better. Certainly technology's better. But I don't think we
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: know how to use it appropriately. The electromagnetic, did you
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: call it electromagnetic therapy? Have you heard of a Rife machine? Yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: for sure. Is that real? I think it's very real.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's very real. Can you explain it? I'm
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: not the expert, but here's how I think. I think
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: that we are all frequency-based, right? We are energy. We
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: are different. We're operating at different energy spectrums, which has
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: to come down with different frequencies. People can understand this.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Best analogy I've heard is a radio, right? You turn
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the dial of the radio to pick up what's coming
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in from different sources, different towers shooting out the different,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: whether it's AM or FM. And when you get to
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the one, it becomes crystal clear, right? Well, I think
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: of us as the same way. We're antenna for what's
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: going on in our environment, particularly our brains are, I think, right?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: That's how we pick up thoughts. That's how we pick
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: up on stuff is because either you're either dialed into
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the wrong station, right? And we talked about that before
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: this podcast, and I think some of that's how that happens.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: And so I think one of the cool things that
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: we're going to be able to use with technology is
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: to help us become more coherent so that we can
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: then receive messages in a more coherent way, that we
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: can be more attuned, lined up. And to me, that's
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: really important. Unfortunately, this outer war, right, is... all of these, right?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: We're basically our planets being microwaved, right? If you look
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: at all the satellites circulating above the earth, right? And
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: all this neural link stuff that's coming and all this star,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot. We're basically microwaving ourselves in
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: an environment which is already polluted with pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate, toxicities,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: heavy metals. I just tell people, think about all the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: airplanes flying over us every single day. The amount of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Jet fuel, which has a ton of heavy metals, is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: pouring down on us every day. To your point, this
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is all new. Last 50, 100 years, all of it's new.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And so our lens, we're told to believe that this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: is natural. It's natural to have heart disease and cancer
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and autoimmune disease. By the way, there's more autoimmune disease
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: than cancer and heart disease combined. More neurodegenerative disease. People
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: are concerned about dementia, Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's. It's very real.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And so we're being attacked. I mean, you know, I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: think all of that's real. And so a lot of
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the work we can do, which I'll get into, which
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I think is the inner war, which is working on ourselves.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So the inner, you think there's two wars, the inner
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: war and the outer war? Yeah, I think most people
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: pay attention to the wrong things. I think most people
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: are paying attention to what's going on in the media,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on in politics, what's going on with people
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: out to get us, right? And they don't take the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: time to actually work on themselves. They don't actually take
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the time to, I'm definitely guilty of that. We're all
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: guilty of it. And I think that it's hard because
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: we're told that what matters more is what's going on
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the outside. But if you think about it, I mean,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I can tell you for me, a non-negotiable for me
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: in the morning is I get up every morning early,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: excuse me, we have these two little dogs we're obsessed with,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and take them out, feed them. And then that's when
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I'm total silence, praying, meditating, journaling, That's a non-negotiable for
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: me because when I do that, I don't care what
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: happens the rest of the day. We're all busy. Things
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: are coming at us. People needing stuff. Got to do this.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Got to accomplish that. But to me, that and then
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the end of the day when I can connect with
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: my wife and we can catch up and kind of
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: share what happened. Two non-negotiables. You know what I mean?
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Most people would say, well, I got to get to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the gym. I got to work out. I got to,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you know, be whatever, you know. To me, it's about
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the internal conversation more than the external conversation. Now, that's
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: just me. But to give you an example, I mean,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I work with one of the, I'm just thinking of this,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: one of the most famous actors on the planet, recognizable
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: across the world. I'm not gonna name names. By all intents,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: you look at him leading the best life. And he is,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: no doubt, very successful in all facets of his life,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: great family. But this part of his life when we
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: started working, wasn't as developed as he wanted it to be.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And I helped him kind of get that back for
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: himself about what it is to wake up and have
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: that silence and work on yourself. You know, the introspective work,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: which I call contemplative, introspective, or, you know, being contemplative,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I think is really important. And the silence and you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: over the, whatever, year and a half, almost two years
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I've been working with him, you know, he shared with
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: me recently, because he had some big movies come out,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that he's really found his purpose, and more importantly, his peace.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And that peace, like I told you about what I
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: was able to find in that hospital, I think once
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you find it, it changes everything. And that to me
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: is what the center was about. And that's where I think,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: not to overstate it, but I think we've gotten lost.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that people think, particularly with health and longevity,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that it's a destination. I don't think it is. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: think we're already here. I think it's just directional change.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And I really see, I'd love to talk more about
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: all these different therapies They're a bridge, not to get
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: us anywhere, but to get us back to ourselves. That's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: what's so cool. They're literally a bridge to help us
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: find ourselves again. And that, to me, is fascinating. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: that's how I look at that. I really think, whether
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: it's peptides or nutrients or hormones, they're a bridge. Because ultimately,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: what I want for all my patients, all the people
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I care about, not to need me anymore, to figure
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: it out. I want to continue to help. But that's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a very contrast to the medical model where if you're
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: not a customer and you're not paying in, they don't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: need you. You know what I mean? Talking about two
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: totally different things. Interesting. Where do we go from here?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I think we've described the outer war pretty well, right?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's the things external. I think it's also
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: our attention. I think if we're paying attention to social
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: media feeds and the algorithms that are being presented to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you and picking a side, and that's how you're defining
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: your life, you're not paying attention to yourself. A lot
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: of distractions. A lot of distractions. I think those phones
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: are super helpful, but they're also a huge distraction. Again,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I think you can use them well. I'm not saying
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: put down your phone or ignore it or turn off
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: social media. I think you've got to find, everyone's got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: to figure out what works better.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: And I turned off social media. We were talking about
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: that at breakfast. It's been gone for over a month now.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Everything gone.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. It really is. You get more clarity. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't want to keep harping on this,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: but what do people do? A hundred. I mean, social
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: media is new. Phones are not even 20 years old.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, but we think this is how life has
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: been lived. It's not even close. So what do people do?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: A hundred, 200,000 years ago, they were with each other.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: You know, they were finding things to eat. They were
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: taking care of each other. There was a lot more
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: purpose and, To me, it's about finding your own who
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: you are again, to find that awareness, to find that vitality, right?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: So when I think about how can I help someone
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: lead their best life from a health perspective, it's tapping
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: into that vitality. I just read the last book I read,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: which I think you're probably a lot of your listeners now,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, by Dan Millman, The
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Way of the Peaceful Warrior. Wonderful book. I mean, it's wonderful,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: it's about this gymnast back in the 60s who's this,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you know, super awesome college gymnast who's, from a physical perspective,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got it, becomes qualified for the Olympics.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And he meets this kind of crazy old man who
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: takes him under his wing and teaches him about how
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: to find purpose and attention again in his life so
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't pass him by. And there's so many
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: little valuable, you know, things that came from reading that book.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Because I think, you know, he talks about what he
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: thinks as his mentor, the goal is becoming a warrior,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a peaceful warrior. And the job of a peaceful warrior
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: is to find unreasonable happiness. Unreasonable happiness. Meaning, he says,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the fool.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Uses things he does to take him to happiness. Whereas
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the warrior can be happy at any moment, at any time.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And I would take that a step further and say,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm hoping for people is to find unreasonable joy.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: And I think we'll talk about it a little bit,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: but for me, it's the best analogy, I didn't come
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: up with it, is being a warrior in a garden. Meaning,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: you're strong, You take care of yourself and your family,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: but you also know how to cultivate peace and love
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and compassion.
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  Speaker 1: I liked what you said this morning, that quote. About
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the game? Yeah. One of my favorite quotes. Yeah. You
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: want to win the game? Stop playing. Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's what this, that's what I'm saying with
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: this outer war. People are playing that game and we're
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: being played and it's very real. But if you want
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the most biological sovereignty, you got to focus on yourself.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Stop playing that game. Play your own game. Yeah. It's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: all possible. Yeah. It's killing us.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: It is, and I think it's taking away our attention.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's taking away our ability to know what's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: real and what's not real. And I feel for people.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: They don't know where to get reliable information. One of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: the things I wanted to talk to you about is
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: one of the problems with the current medical model is
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: what I call the three traps. The first is what
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I call the pill push. This is what most people
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: are used to where we've talked about it. It's giving
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: people pharmaceuticals and more pharmaceuticals and more pharmaceuticals. Again, I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: don't think doctors mean poorly. I don't think doctors are
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: out to get you. It's just they don't know any better.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: One of the things I take pride in and what
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I enjoy doing is I train other doctors and providers.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I've done this for years and years and years. I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: love it. I love the collegial aspect, but I also
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: love because I didn't have someone to help me get
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: to where I am. I had to make a lot
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of mistakes and most of it self-learned through experience working
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: with great patients, but I want to help them start
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: to think differently. I mean, it's obvious that you're not against.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not. Pills because we just talked to you. You're
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: on a blood thinner. I am. I take it. For
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the past, what, six years? Yeah, I take it. So
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not against medicine, but that's one of the traps.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: The next trap is the supplement shuffle. We have all
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: these functional medicine doctors who basically exchange pharmaceuticals for nutraceuticals.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And this is very common. Nutraceuticals. I've never heard that term. Yeah,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: like supplements. It's like a fancy word for supplements. I mean,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I have so many patients who come into my office
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: and they're in 47 supplements. And this is common. Well,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it's natural. Well, that doesn't mean it works. It can
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: be safe, right? And so patients are taking their vitamin D,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: their fish oil, their probiotics, on and on and on.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: They don't even know what they're taking anymore. And then
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: they get thrown into this loop where there's constant testing, testing, testing,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and kind of the paradigm is take this for that.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with that. And then
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the last trap is what we're most familiar with, which
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: is the biohacker influencer, which is all in, right? And
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: promoting all of this testing like crazy. You know, now
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: this full body MRI scan is becoming so popular. Is
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: that bad? I think. Again, I don't know if it's bad.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I just think you have to be careful. You're basically
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: looking for things we don't necessarily have. And I think
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: it can create a lot of anxiety and stress. And
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: here's what I'll tell you. And I think this is
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: hard for people to get to. They say, well, I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: want to find it so I can do something about it. Well,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: how do you know your body wouldn't have done something
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: about it anyway?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: So to give you just modern day examples, and this
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: is real, they've recently looked at I think it was
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: in an article in JAMA, one of the big medical journals.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I think it was 2022. They found that CT scans
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: would likely contribute or cause 5% of cancers annually. Over,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I think it was like 100,000 plus cancers would come
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: from CT scanning alone, right? Mammography, which we touched upon,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: They've done studies to show that mammography does not change mortality,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: meaning we have plenty more women diagnosed with breast cancer,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: yet women are not living longer because of that. Colonoscopy,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: same thing. So we're screening, and I get it, because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: people are like, I've got to find it. But then
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: we're creating problems, right? I mean, I've had patients who
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: diagnosed from a mammogram with breast cancer. And again, I'm
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: not saying they shouldn't do this. It's an individual choice.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: But then they go down the chemo path. They go
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: down the radiation path. And that can be ultimately what
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: kills them, not the cancer. And this is a complicated
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and it's also a very touchy subject. And I'm not
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: speaking out against these therapies. I think there's, again, like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: we've said, if I was diagnosed with cancer, I want
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: all options on the table. The problem is we're being
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: pushed and coerced in a certain direction that if you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: don't screen for it, you're doing something wrong. I have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: an innate trust in the human body that God created
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: to figure things out. So you don't get screened? I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: don't do those screenings, no. I don't. You don't do
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: the MRI? No. I've had too many patients who And
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I understand. They say, well, I want to know. I say,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: but the problem once you know is you can't unknow.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And you're going to be anxious every day until you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: do something about it. And they say, no, I'll be fine.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: And that's not what happens. Because now you've diagnosed with
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: something in your liver. I mean, I just had it.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with a patient this past week.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: One of the common tests that men get done is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: what's called a PSA, prostate-specific antigen test. it's not a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: good test, but it's a blood test to look for
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: prostate cancer. And so in general, it's not a good
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: test because there's a lot of inconsistency with it. And
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: so the majority of men, like the vast majority of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: men in my practice who I've taken care of over
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the last 25 years, who've had an elevated PSA greater
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: than four has nothing to do with cancer. This is
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: why it's a bad test. So Anyway, we do routine.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I believe in blood work. That's different than screening per se.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: But I do routine blood work. And for our patients,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: we do a lot of blood work, depending on what
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: they're working on. And he had a PSA and it
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: was elevated higher than four. Okay, well, he was concerned.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I get it. And so eventually we did an MRI
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: of his pelvis to look at his prostate. Nothing there.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe his prostate was enlarged. So the PSA can elevate
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: from an enlarged prostate. The PSA can elevate from a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: prostate infection, lots of other things. So we repeated the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: blood test over time, totally fine. So last week he
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: sends me that he did a full body MRI. And
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: that full body MRI is not very, it's not, the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: visualization's way worse than a dedicated MRI, if that makes sense.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: So the image quality is way worse. So he did
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a full body MRI and he sent it to me
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: and said, I need to talk because they see something
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: in my prostate. Now, six months ago, he did a
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: dedicated MRI of his pelvis, nothing. So again, we're going
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: to have to repeat that now. He's going to have
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: to have a dedicated MRI of his pelvis. I'm confident
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: that maybe his anatomy is a little bit different. Maybe
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: his prostate's a little bit enlarged, but I don't think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: he has prostate cancer. But what he's created for himself
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: is a lot of anxiety. Yep. Yep. And It's a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: slippery slope. When you've got that anxiety, what do people do? Well,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: now they're drinking more. Now they're taking whatever it is.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Now they need more benzos. It's a slippery slope. That
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: anxiety and that stress, that'll wear you out. What do
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you recommend if somebody gets diagnosed with cancer? That's one
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: of your patients.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Do you have places that you recommend to them?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I do. Are they in the U.S.? No. The number
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: one place, there's a couple things. I just met a patient,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: and his wife is dealing with non-small cell lung cancer,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: which is aggressive. She's doing okay. She's in the conventional route.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you what I told him. I'm going
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: to meet with her when I get back next week.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: There's a place that I learned of in Thailand called
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the Bangkok Stem Cell Center where they're able to do
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: things that we can't do in this country. For example,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who lives in Bali who introduced
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: me to them. And he was introduced, and sorry, last
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: year he got diagnosed with this very rare type of fibrosarcoma,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: just like a connective tissue, soft tissue type of cancer,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: super rare, but it can tend historically to metastasize or grow.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: He had the biopsy, saw that he had it, so
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: he went to this place, and they measured something called
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: natural killer cells in his blood. Now, the natural killer
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: cells seem to be the type of white blood cell
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: that attacks the cancer in the blood. This is an oversimplification.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So when they tested his natural killer cells, they were
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: really weak. And they were saying, I'm going to make
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: this up, less than 5% kill rate. Again, I'm messing
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: up the details. So they were able to do some
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: things to amplify how those natural killer cells grow. They
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: retest him. Now he's greater than 60%. And then they're
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: giving him back his natural killer cells as an infusion
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: into his body. To fight the cancer. Correct. And it worked?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: It's working.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: And that's just one example. The other thing I tell
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: people to do, what I told this patient, and this
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: is confusing, you brought up water, and I'm, again, not
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: the expert, but people are familiar with hydrogen. Hydrogen's the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: first element in the periodic table, right? It's got one electron,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: one proton. Hydrogen, over time, morphs into something called heavy water,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: which has, we call it deuterium. One electron, one proton,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: one neutron. Now, the problem with of deuterium is that
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit heavier. And so our bodies and
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: our cells can't use it as efficiently. I know we're
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: going to get into the mitochondria. This might be a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: good time. Mitochondria, the batteries of the cell, when we
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: know that people stressing themselves out, working late hours, out
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of sync with natural world, we get tired. As we
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: get older, we get tired more and more. We don't
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: have that energy to do all the things we want
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: to do. a lot of that academic research comes back
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to the mitochondria not working well. The mitochondria take our fuel,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: things we eat, fats, proteins, carbohydrates, and through a series
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: of steps turns it into energy, water, by the way,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: it's deuterium depleted water, I'll get back to that, and oxygen.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: And the main way this works and why I wanna
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: talk about it is there's five hubs that sit on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: this mitochondrial membrane. We call them five hubs, they call
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: them cytochromes. The first hub is where NAD is used.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: NAD is a chemical cousin of niacin, so a chemical
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: cousin of vitamin B3. And what the mitochondrial membrane is
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: supposed to do is we're supposed to exchange electrons for
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: protons down these different hubs. So you can just think
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: of it like a conveyor belt. And so we're moving
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: these electrons and protons to eventually get to hub five,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: where we spin this wheel to make ATP, oxygen, and water. Again, oversimplifications.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Hub one is where NAD operates. And this is where
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I think most people get stuck. I think this is
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: where we form a traffic jam. And so that exchange
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: of electrons and protons slows, just like if people are
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: familiar with a traffic jam, you get stuck in traffic,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: can't go anywhere. So we can't make as much energy.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: This is very real. This is why I'm a big
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: believer in NAD therapy. You know, I think I've overseen
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: more NAD treatments than anyone on the planet. We got
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: into it, you know, 12, 14 years ago before it
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: was popular or anything. Very impressed with how NAD works.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: very impressed. It doesn't work for everybody. There's a lot
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: of holes. We can't measure your NAD levels. But clinically
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: observing people who, before they start NAD2, after they go
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: through NAD treatments, it's transformational for most people. Interesting. Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And so that's part of that mitochondria. That's hub one.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Hub two has to do with something called riboflavin succinic acid.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Hub three is where that CoQ10 I talked about is utilized.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: hub four, it's also called cytochrome C oxidase, is where
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: methylene blue can bind. Methylene blue basically, which has become
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: super popular, people can take methylene blue and basically jumpstart
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: their mitochondria because we can jump over these other hubs.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: So we can get these, again, conveyor belt work. This
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: is that stuff, I think you injected it in me. Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you took it as an IV.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: And people eat it too. You can take it orally.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: People take it under the tongue, turns their mouth blue. Yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: that's that methylene blue stuff. Fascinating compound.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I think you showed me my cells under a microscope
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: after that.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: We did live blood analysis. Yeah, good memory. Yeah. So
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: what is it doing? So it's basically allowing for more
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: efficient transmission of electrons for protons so you can turn
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that wheel. That last wheel is what's important. So you're
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: making more energy, right? Because that energy is stored in
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: this ATP molecule, adenosine triphosphate. And we want more of
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: that because that is the potential to have energy to
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: go in your nervous system, help you think a thought,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: help you move, help you throw a ball, help you
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: shoot a gun, whatever you want to do, help you train, right?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: You need ATP. You also need water. You know, the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: largest substance in our body is water. And you need oxygen, right,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: to live your life and So, I mean, you showed me,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: when I went there, you showed, I think there was
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a before and after comparison of what the cells look
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: like before you gave it to me, what they look
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: like after. We did. How long does that last? Probably not,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know per se, because we haven't tested it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: out kind of longitudinally. And what we're talking about for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: your listeners is live blood analysis, right? As opposed to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: drawing your blood from your vein, sending it to a lab,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: And then days later, that blood is tested for a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: volume of a hormone or a cholesterol level. We're looking
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: in real time. We prick your finger. We put your
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: blood on a slide and look at that slide under
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: the microscope. And we can see how your red blood
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: cells are moving, how your white blood cells are aggregating
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: or congregating. And what we've seen over and over and over,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: and while you remember it is, before people do treatments
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: like this, it tends to move very slowly and be
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: kind of sludgy. This is what's happening in your bloodstream.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And then you do a treatment like methylene blue and
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: you look under the same microscope hour later. And now
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: the red blood cells are moving. They're cruising along. It's fascinating.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating. So what is it doing? Well, there's an
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: electrical charge. And again, this is over my pay grade.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: But that methylene blue is helping the electrical components of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the cell and helping us make more ATP, also more
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: water and more oxygen. So should we be taking that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: every day? I don't know if you need it every day,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: but a couple times a week is probably a good thing.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: A couple times a week. It tends to be long-acting. Again,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: it's gotten very popular. People are talking about it. People
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: can take it every day, but I don't think you
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: need to. Again, for me, it's the least effective dose
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: for the maximal result. I think we want to be
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: reasonable about it. But yeah, I think it's fabulous for
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: the mitochondria. It also seems to be a great cognitive enhancer.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: So methylene blue can, it's called a mild MAOI inhibitor.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: So it keeps your dopamine and serotonin in your nervous
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: system a little bit longer. So people report back and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: say they're a little bit sharper. And then we talked
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: about a little bit earlier, kind of repurposing drugs in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: terms of cancer therapy. I think methylene blue is utilized
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: in that scenario as well. So it's versatile. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: for sure. I can keep talking about the mitochondria. I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: can talk about this deuterium if you want.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Go back to the deuterium. So again, you asked
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: me what, what would I tell people or what I do? Cancer, right?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Go to that place in Thailand if I could. And
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: then I'd work on the water. Water we talked about,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to filter it. You have to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: remineralize it. But water over time becomes heavy water. That's
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: just from being on the earth. That's by no fault
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: of anyone's. It's been shown. So I'm going to make
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: up numbers here, but Most people have a deuterium level
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: of about 150 parts per million. Okay? There was, many,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: many years ago, they found a group, we talked about,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the blue zones. They found a group of
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: people living in Siberia region, no cancer. And when they
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: measured- Zero. Zero. Their deuterium levels were in the 80s.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: What is deuterium? So deuterium is hydrogen that's, morphed into
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: essentially heavy hydrogen. So it's got now one electron, one proton,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: one neutron, whereas hydrogen itself just has one electron, one proton.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: So there's going to be, we're going to see more
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and more talk about this because I think it matters.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: How do you deplete your deuterium levels? Okay. Does that
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: make sense? Because if you just eat the regular food
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: you're eating, you're not going to do it. If you
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: just drink the regular water you're doing, you can't do it.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: So there's one way to do it. Well, there's multiple ways,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: but the most practical way is you actually have to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: drink something called deuterium depleted water. So it's a fancy
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: and complicated process where they're taking that deuterium and removing
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: it from the water, okay? So as opposed to being
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: 150 parts per million, you can get it down to five.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: So if you consume, one consumes deuterium depleted water over
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, Over time, they're
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: going to deplete their deuterium. Now, there's a lot of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: work to be done, but it resonates to me that
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: if one has cancer, that's the perfect scenario for one
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: working to deplete their deuterium because based off that cohort
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: of those people living in some Siberia region where there
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: was no cancer and their deuterium levels were way lower
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: than the average person. So the idea is oversimplification, water
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: is the most abundant compound in our body, right? I
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: think everyone's familiar with that. Most of it's, you know,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the stuff we make by our mitochondria is deuterium depleted.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: That's the best kind. The stuff that's around our cells
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: has a lot of deuterium. If we can convert and make,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: get to lower deuterium levels, it makes it easier to
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: use for our body. And again, I'm not an expert
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: on this. This is an oversimplification. But if I'm your listener,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I'd look into it. So we need hydrogenated water. Is
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Deuterium depleted water. But isn't that
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: the one and the same? They're similar, but they're not
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: the same. Deuterium is a kind of isotope of hydrogen.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: So how do you get deuterium depleted water? There's a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: couple of companies worldwide who make it. It's expensive. You
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: have to order it? You do. It's not like a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: filter or something you can put under your sink? I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: know the guys who started the company in America. They
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: don't make it here. It's too expensive. It's called drink
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: light water, L-I-T-E water. So drink L-I-T-E water. That's where
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: people can order it. It's expensive. It's going to get
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: very expensive if that's the only water you drink. So
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's practical for most people. If
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: you had cancer, though? That would be something that's very
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: high on the list of what I would recommend and do.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I would try to get your deuterium level as low
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: as possible. What do you think about hydrogenated water? Is
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: it a gimmick? Is it real? I don't think it's gimmick.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I think that better is hydrogenated gas you breathe. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: And so different devices make different things. The problem with
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: water is complicated, right? So I think that the hydrogen
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: water is not going to move the needle much.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: This is even like, we saw this with alkaline water, right?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: People say, if it's alkaline, is it alkalizing? Meaning, does
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: it make your water, you know, we're talking about pH scale, right?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: And they're talking about acid and alkaline. And people thought, well,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: if I drink more alkaline water, I'll become more alkaline
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: because cancer grows in an acid environment. That's not totally true.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Same thing with hydrogen-rich water. One of the things I've
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: got for our new office, though, is we're going to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: have an hydrogen generators, while people are doing IVs and stuff,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: different treatments, they're going to be breathing in hydrogen gas.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Because I think that makes more sense. Okay. Complicated. Lots
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: of different tools here. Sounds like it.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, just a little earlier, you had mentioned people
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: coming in with 40, 50 supplements.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Taking 40, 50 supplements.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: And we don't need that, but we're also talking about
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: all the nutrition that's been depleted out of the Yeah,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables. So how are we supposed to replace
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: that if we're not doing all these supplements?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: So we like to test, right? And so, again, if
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: people need it, I'm not against it. I'm in favor
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: of whatever works. I just think that the paradigm, and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I get it, people listen to a podcast and then
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: they buy three things based on it and they add
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: and they're never subtracting. And so their medicine cabinet grows
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to these. Now they're just taking and they don't know
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: why they're taking it. So if you're taking it for
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: a particular reason, great, right? You have a goal, great.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: But most people aren't. They've gotten over the goal, right?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Whether they're tired, whether they're low mood, whether they want
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: to lose weight, they have pain. I'm not saying don't
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: take the supplements. I think because you're right, they can
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: be valuable tools. But if you're just taking blindly and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: you just added and you've amassed now all these supplements,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you don't even know what they're doing. Just because they're
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: natural and safe doesn't make them effective. by any means.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: And so I'm a big favor of doing this for
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: the longterm, you know, making it reasonable for people. And
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's some things that we should focus on.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: And then again, my view lens of the world is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: it's not destination based, it's directional change, meaning, oh, now
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: you sprained your knee. Now we've got to work on
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: the knee. Now you want to be a better golfer.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Now we've got to work on that. Now you have
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  Speaker 1: a test coming up. You're a student. You want to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: be a better focuser. There's lots of things we can
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: do in a goal-directed manner, which are great. But then
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: once you get to the goal, I think you probably
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: back off them. You don't need to keep amassing them,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: and that's what people tend to do. That's just my observation.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Was there anything left on the mitochondria we needed to cover? Mitochondria. Yeah.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I mean the mitochondria. I, so for me, I tie
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  Speaker 1: in the mitochondria. I think of, uh, again, simplification just
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  Speaker 1: helps me of energy, right? I think what most people
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: are looking for is energy. And I talked to people,
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  Speaker 1: what is the number one thing they want?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: More energy, right?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: People are tired. Now people are stressed out. People wake up,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: they don't feel good. They have to caffeinate, stimulate. Um,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: people get a second wind. So now they don't sleep.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: People can't turn on the energy. I think of like
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: a little child, right? They can turn off and on
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: that energy when at will. I think that's the goal, right?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: It's not just having energy, it's having energy when you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: want it, when you need it. And I think it's fascinating.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: And so I, to me, there's seven different energy circuits essentially, right?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: The mitochondria are one of them. We can talk about
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the others, but the mitochondria are powerful and it's like
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: the cellular circuitry. And, you know, it's very real for
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: people when, you know, we give them mitochondrial enhancing nutrients
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: like NAD and like methylene blue, like CoQ10, and watch
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: what happens. I'm a strict clinician. I'm not an academic.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: And I have the fortune of being able to observe
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: people who do these therapies and take these certain nutrients.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: And it's a game changer for a lot of them.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: We talked about before, you had Pete Scobel on, right? Great,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: amazing podcast. Amazing. Great Americans. I got to know Pete
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: like a decade ago, and he stands out in my mind.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: When I got to know him, he was complaining that
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: he couldn't read, his eyes would go all over the place,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: chronic daily headaches, and he was depressed. And he'd been
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: through the VA system left and right, upside down. They
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: weren't helping him. You're more familiar with this than I am,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: working with a lot of veterans. And so he was
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: living in Aspen at the time, went out to Aspen,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: and we gave him NAD, IV. And again, this is
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: like 2016. This is before it was any bit popular.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: After two treatments, Pete's symptoms were gone. After two treatments? Yeah. Wow.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: And if you talked to him about it, he'd still
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: say it was an impactful part of his life. And
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I still work with Pete. And that is indicative of
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: how other people respond to NAD. And that's when the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: mitochondria has been damaged. He told me he was blown
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: up 50 plus times. He had 50 plus traumatic brain injuries, right?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: NAD works first on the nervous system. And if your
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: nervous system's in disarray and been harmed by blasts, we
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: get energy into that nervous system, it can start to heal. Okay. So, yeah,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, the mitochondria is very well studied from an
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: academic perspective. I think it's part of how people, whether
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: it's taking NAD or these NAD precursors, I find NAD
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: itself to be the best. Again, that's just my experience
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: overseeing tons and tons and tons and tons of NAD treatments.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Now we have methylene blue, um, and then there are
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: certain mitochondrial nutrients. What are the three keys? The three keys.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: So this is what I think of as like three paradoxes, right?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: That this is just my take on it from working
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: with people and fascinated with human health and progress. The
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: first is, um, Energy comes from rest. That's number one.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we live in a time
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: where people beat themselves up. You know, workouts become a chore.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: We have to put our foot on the gas more
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: and more and more. And people don't value downtime and
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: recovery time. So that's the first. The second is symptoms
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: are signals. The conventional medicine, modern medicine says, if you've
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: got this, something's wrong. I'd look at it and say, actually,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: that's your body healing, right? You've got knee pain. You've
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: got a headache. You've got fatigue. You're out of alignment.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: So we need to honor those signals and understand them
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: as opposed to giving you Band-Aids. I mean, Band-Aids are
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: appropriate every now and then. Let's figure it out to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: get to the root cause. The last is strength comes
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: from coherence, right? And the way I think about this,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: I just read this. I didn't come up with this.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: If you were to hold water in your hand and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: you squeeze it, What happens? It goes between your fingers.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: What happens if you hold it with your open palm?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: It stays, right? So we become more still and more coherent.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Think about your body. We already talked about water is
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the most dominant substance in the body. If you're squeezing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and tight and under stress all the time, you're not
• 1:34:09
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• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: this better than I from your training, like working with people,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: it's not just about having big biceps. It's about how
• 1:34:20
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  Speaker 1: we're back from the break. So I just went and
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: looked up the light water. Expensive, right? Yeah. But I
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: ordered it. We're trying. It is expensive. It is expensive,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: but like we were just saying, I think it tastes
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: like the cleanest water you've ever had. Wow. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: there's something to it. It's expensive water, but. I'd like
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: people to try stuff. I think that you just don't
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: know what'll click. Do they expect people to drink this
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: all the time? Again, it depends. Like we were talking about,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: in the context of you've got active cancer, I don't
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: know of another way. What they say is a higher
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: saturated fat diet has the least amount of deuterium, but
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: I think that takes a while. The guys I know
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: who started the company, one's named Robert, the other's Victor,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: They would say if you've got active cancer, you don't
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily want to lower it too quickly because you could
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: have a tumor crisis is what's called, like a tumor.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: It can kind of lyse and I don't want to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: say explode, but implode. And that can cause some problems.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: You can get blood clots, things like that. So you
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: want to do it in a gradual way. But the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: idea is if you've got cancer, I don't know of
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: a more practical thing one can do than to lower
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: their deuterium. Wow. Knowing what I know. I mean, there's
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: lots of, protocols, supplements, people talking about baking soda, green
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: tea extract. I mean, on and on and on removing toxicity,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: stopped using a microwave, you know, only using stainless steel
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: or glass to cook things like that to remove toxicity.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about very basic stuff.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: They need to be teaching this shit in school. But
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: I went down there, I just watched this documentary. I'm
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: actually going to try to get this woman on.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: And she was talking about the fertility crisis because of
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: the micro plastics.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Have you seen this? I haven't seen it, but I, I, I,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting topic because it's become normal
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: for couples to jump right into in vitro fertilization. This
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: is all new. This is all new.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: She brought on, and I know it's a small sample size,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: and she says that in the documentary, but she brings on,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I believe it's six couples who are trying to get pregnant,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: young couples. one of them had been trying to get
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: pregnant for 10 years and she brings these people in
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: and and i mean i'm not a doctor i don't
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: know the test but she tests them you know just
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: to see uh she tests the sperm count in each
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: one of the males and then she tests the I
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: don't know, the microplastics.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: And I guess she can test for those. How many
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: microplastics each one of them have? And so she does
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: a test and then they go through and she's there
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: for 90 days.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: And they go through and they just wipe out everybody's,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: you know, what are you wearing?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: What are you drinking? What are you cooking your food in?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: What are you buying your food in? You know, basically like,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: what are you drinking your water out of? What are you,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: you know, all this shit. And it's, it's like everything
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: we have, everything.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh. Is, I didn't realize, I guess.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Skin absorbs 40% of everything you put on it. Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it depends. I don't know for different statistics,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: but yeah. Anyways. I mean, you think about.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: She, she does this thing for these people, you know, and,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: and then, and then, you know, they do like the revamp, like,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: all right, now you're going to buy berries from this place,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: do this and that. And the other thing, I think
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: every one of these couples got pregnant after the 90 days.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's again, you said they should teach us
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: in school, but no, that's not the goal.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Sean, you know that. Cutting boards. No, I know. Everything.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I know. But the goal is to keep people as customers, right?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Keep us, our, our energies dim. So we keep coming
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: back to the trough for more medicines, more testing, and
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: then more diseases. And I, and we've normalized it. We've
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: completely normalized chronic disease. I don't think it's normal at all.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is how people lived. We're supposed
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: to be vital, strong, immersed. I always think of children
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: who are fascinating because children don't know what temperature it is,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: what time it is. They are absolutely immersed in what
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing. You say to a kid, come back before dark.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: They don't know what before dark is. But we can't
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: do that as adults. We can't be present. Yeah, I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: know you're right. So I like to live out in
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: the woods. I mean, I think that's such a healthy choice.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's awesome of you. And they've shown, I mean,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: you can speed up and go to the technology side
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: of being in the forest and the woods is very healing.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Just being out in nature is very healing. I tell people,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: because we talked about a little bit earlier about circadian
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: rhythm and kind of how people handle cortisol. And the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: fastest way I tell people, if you want to get
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: yourself back in sync, go camping. for three days, don't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: take your phone or leave it in the car, whatever,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: don't check it, and sleep on the earth, you will
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: get back in sync. Your body knows. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: We've gotten so disconnected. Again, I'm not advocating people want
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: to go do that full-time. Great. I think most of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: us are looking for mitigation strategies. Yeah, yeah. You know,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: like how can we have a little bit of both?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: That's fine. Let's talk about protocols. Yeah. Start with peptides. Perfect.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah. Peptides, right? 2025 became the year
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: of the peptide. You know, I've, I've been fortunate. I think,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the number, but I've probably
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: overseen more peptide treatments than anyone probably in this country,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: maybe on the planet. I've been in the right place
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: at the right time.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: When I researched you on, uh, Anthropics Cloud, it, it,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: it says you are the godfather of peptides.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, good. We'll leave it at that. But, um,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: To be really on the very, very elemental level, peptides
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: are chains of amino acids. We call it a peptide
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: if it's 40 amino acids in length or shorter. We
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: call it a protein if it's 41 amino acids in
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: length or longer. By definition, these are small molecules. They're
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: signaling molecules. And I've been super impressed with peptides because
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: they're very, very safe. And to me, it's always got
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: to be safety first. And so I think of them
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: to make a distinction for people. I think of peptides
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: as like whispering to your cells and pharmaceuticals like a sledgehammer.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: And it's just a good analogy. And so a sledgehammer
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: is we're going to take the same dose, give it
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: the same to everyone. We're going to have side effects,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: but by golly, you're going to feel something. And peptides
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: are working with your biology, signaling. So there's lots of
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: different categories of peptides. There's the growth hormone-releasing peptides, things
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: like ipamorelin, tesamorelin, sermorelin. And these, by and large, all
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: the peptides we're talking about are injected. So they're injected
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: under the skin. In the case of the growth hormone-releasing peptides,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: travel up to the part of the brain that releases
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: growth hormone, binds the growth hormone receptor, and puts out
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: some growth hormone. Well, as we know, as people get older,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: stress out their bodies, we put out less growth hormone.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Growth hormone is an anabolic hormone like testosterone. And it's
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: in charge of helping us mend, heal, recover, rejuvenate our cells,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: our tissues. That's why it's banned in professional sports, right?
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: If you're a pitcher and you injure your elbow, you
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: want to be back in two weeks, not two months. Well,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: growth hormone will do that. And so I still use
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of growth hormone when appropriate with my patients,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: but we've replaced a lot of that with these peptides
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: because it gets you most of the way there. And
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: it's working with your own biology. It's giving you a push.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: So that's a big category. Another big category is the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: anti-inflammatory peptides like BPC-157. That's the one I was talking
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: about earlier. Yeah, the one that you said you think
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: helped you. Yeah, we have you on a combination of
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: which includes the BPC. I have torn rotator cuff.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with the other shoulder,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: but usually I can't lift my shoulder over 90 degrees,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: and I think I was on that for, I don't know,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: two weeks, maybe a month.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And full rotation.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: And that's your experience. So what is it doing? Yeah,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: it's very anti-inflammatory to the soft tissue, so the tendons
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: and ligaments, you know. It comes from, again, kind of
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: our stomach juices, this particular peptide. It stands for body
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: protection compound. So your experience is what a lot of
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: people experience with BPC, a lot of people experience. I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: had a patient in the office this week, and he
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: plays guitar and does a lot of yard work, and
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: he messed up his forearm. And we actually gave him
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: intravenous BPC because we used some of these peptides intravenously.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: And he said he had two treatments. And he said,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: I'm 100% better. So does it go away? It heals, right?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it with the inflammation
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: is you're getting, like we talked about earlier, you're getting
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: aggregation of inflammatory cells that sit in the tissue, sit
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: in the extracellular space, and they may hit nerves, right?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: They may cause nerve irritation, which is then sending a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: signal to your brain, pain. And what they do is
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: they help facilitate the removal of these inflammatory cytokines in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: this cascade so that you don't have it aggregated there.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: So it's actually healing it. Now the challenge is, is
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: for people, is once you're healed, don't re-injure, right? And
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: people have a hard time with this. You know, my
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: patients tend to be the peak performers of the world, right?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: They don't want to take any time off. And that's
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: a challenge. And I get it. And so as we
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: get older, we're in this degenerative state, you know, We're
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: very focused on lifting weights and getting strong, but we
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: also get tight. We get firm. What tends to happen
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: to people is firm breaks. That's just a reality. So
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: I think including peptides, you could argue that one who
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: works out a lot should be on BPC-157. You know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about earlier, interesting day because today
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: and tomorrow is the day the FDA is discussing if
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: these peptides will still be allowed to be compounded. Compounded
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: means Made by a pharmacy. And that's how we do it.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: We don't use any research chemicals. They're all individually made.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: They're all the best sourcing, highest potency. They're all tested, analyzed,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: made by pharmacies who are FDA registered, state board, you know, inspected.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Best of the best. We do it all the best way.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: What happened a couple years ago is the FDA removed them.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: They said they can't be compounded anymore. This is why
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: these gray market of peptide took off. So people can
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: go online and get their own peptides with no oversight
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: from sources that are probably contaminated or illegitimate. I'm not
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: saying they're all bad. That's not the way it works.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: But we don't have any oversight. When we're allowed to
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: use them, like hopefully we will be able to, and
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: we can now, and hopefully that continues, well, then we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: can continue to compound them in a very safe manner.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm looking for. What's their argument? Their argument,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I do understand it, right? Their argument is that the
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: compound didn't go through the FDA approval process, right? So
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: if we look at drugs, pharmaceuticals, a lot of money,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of research following the hoops that the FDA
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: wants you to jump through, including safety studies and certainly,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: you know, testing on people and looking at, you know,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: what goes wrong, what goes right. We don't have that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: for these compounds. Lots of things aren't approved by the FDA. Exactly. Now,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: the challenging part with this is they sit in a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: gray area. because most of them are injected. But if
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: we take something like a nutritional supplement like vitamin C,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: never FDA approved, on the counter you can get vitamin C,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: take it as much or as little as you want. Well,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: people would argue, well, that's because you take it orally. Like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: it's very, very safe. Now, what I would argue, and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: I've actually spoken to people in the Trump administration about
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: this a little while ago, maybe a year ago, is
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: I think we need to evolve where we are, how
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: the FDA works, right? My argument to them was, what
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: we saw with the COVID vaccine was that the FDA
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: was going to expedite pushing through a vaccine that was
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: never tested. We know that's true now. It was never tested.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: It was a big experiment. The testing came after it
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: was released, not before, using these mRNA, whatever you want
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: to call them. That was the testing, right? It wasn't
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: that they were tested beforehand and said, oh, they were
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: tested while we used them. That's a big problem. But
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: since they're able to do that, and now a lot
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: of that's become the norm, right? These pharmaceutical companies are
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: seeking fast approval process. based on something like the COVID vaccine,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: saying there's such a need and such an urgency, people
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: can argue that. What I said to them, I think
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: there also needs to be a place for compounds to
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: be evaluated, which have proven to be very safe. I
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that's happening, right? Again, I've just seen, again,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I think that, I don't think people at the FDA
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: are out to harm us. I don't think pharmaceutical companies
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: are out to harm us, but it's a business. That's what,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a business. It's pretty much
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: been established, I mean.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: We need a lobbying firm. I don't know. So my
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: hope is today and tomorrow they meet and they say, hey,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: it seems safe. We're not hearing of adverse reactions, which
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: there aren't. We're not hearing of, you know, I want
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: to remind people, minimal, minimal, 7,000 deaths a year from medicines.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: That's just the lowest number possible. At least 200,000 adverse
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: reactions that are reported a year from just medicines being prescribed.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: These are big numbers. So this happens every day with
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical, yet there's so many pharmaceuticals that are still,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: you know, yet peptides because they don't fit into this
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: category or that we have to be, we can't use.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is a narrative out there.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: I've had somebody on the show that actually brought it
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: up that said that they think that the use of
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: peptides will create an uptick in the than cancer.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Is there any truth to that? I don't think so
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: at all. No, that doesn't resonate with me. And I
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: think the challenge is this, and this is just my observation.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of people reading about what a
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: peptide does. And then from my perspective, I see what
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: it does to people clinically. I am biased. I'm going
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: to be on the clinical side. I take care of
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people over the years. And we're talking
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: 10 plus years of using peptides. Is it perfect?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Has I ever seen cancer develop?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: And we're talking big numbers of people now. Have I
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: seen blood clots? No, none of it. Have I seen
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: a rash from an injection? Sure. Have I seen it
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: not work? Sure. And I know what they're talking about
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: with BPC causing angiogenesis. What is that? That's where you
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: develop new blood vessels for cancer and say, oh, well,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: the cancer, which is, now developing new blood vessel, has
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: a blood supply, so it's going to feed on its own, right?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: And the BPC could be making that worse. That's one theoretical. Two,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: I could argue that's a really healthy thing with heart disease, right?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: And this happens already naturally. If someone's got an artery
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: that's feeding their heart muscle and it's becoming full of plaque,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the body's intelligent enough to make new blood vessels to
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: fulfill where those tissues need to be supplied by oxygen.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: That's angiogenesis too. You see what I'm saying? So I
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: don't know, right? And so some people would come at this,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: like we've been talking about and say, well, we need
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: to do longitudinal study. That's probably a good thing, right?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: But you have to do it clinically. And the trouble
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: with doing clinically, we've touched upon this. Unless we're doing
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: some sort of live real-time analysis, how do we really know, right?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: And it gets tricky and it's hard to do. And
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: it's harder to do than I think we've been led
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: to believe. I'm all in favor of learning, but I'm
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: not in favor of dismissing anecdotal data as BS because
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count because it wasn't done by a proper study.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just not. Because my experience is the anecdotal data
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: is super valuable. I'm interested in people sitting in front
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: of me. What are some other things that you would
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: use peptides for? So there's peptides for inflammation, right? So BPC-157, TB-500,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: They have these weird names, KPV, GHK-CU, which is GHK copper.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: All of these are very anti-inflammatory, right? So they're promoting
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: anti-inflammatory mechanisms, not pro-inflammatory mechanisms. There's peptides for the nervous system.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: One called CMAX, which was developed in Russia many decades
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: ago to help people who've had a stroke, people who've
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: had a traumatic brain injury. CMAX and its cousin, CELANC.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: CELANC taps into the GABA system, which is our calming system.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: That's the same receptors that alcohol and benzos tap into. Well,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Solanc is very calming for some people. In fact, the
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: combination of C-Max and Solanc is like a natural Adderall.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: And so we make that into a nasal spray. I
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: have a lot of patients who try that because, you know,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I like the nasal spray because it's kind of a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: quick hit to the nervous system and they can redose it.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's perfect and certainly not
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: for everybody. But, you know, one of my problems with
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: mainstream medicine is a lot of doctors act like gatekeepers, like, no,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: you can't do it. Why should it be up to them?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Like if it's safe, why can't the patient try? I'm
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: a big believer. Let people try and explore as long
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: as we're doing it safely. And from my perspective, I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: have more experience with stuff than most. We're gonna start there, right?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: We're gonna start as a reference point. I only want
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: you to try it if it's safe. We're never gonna
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: recommend things that are out of bounds ever. And I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: recognize that doctors don't know either, right? We train a
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: lot of doctors. they're interested in learning, but to your point,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: we need to teach this stuff. That's not coming from
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: conventional medical education. That's not part of their model. So
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: I want to help these providers, these physicians learn how
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: to use these tools. So other peptides good for the
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: nervous system, C-Max, Solanx, Cerebrolysin. We've had great success. Cerebrolysin
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: is this neuropeptide. Patients who've had a stroke, you know,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: my nurse practitioner, her dad had a stroke. He did
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: so well using cerebrolysin, just subcutaneously injecting himself. She said
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: he made such an amazing recovery. And she used to
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: work in a kind of stroke rehab center. So she
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: has a lot of experience with it. So cerebrolysin is
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: another one that we can use. There's mitochondrial peptides, peptides
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: like MOTC, which I think of as the stronger, fitter,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: faster peptide. Helps with body composition and energy. Humanin, which
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: is like the DNA repairer. peptide, one called SS-31, which
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: we talked about the mitochondria. We talked about where methylene
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: blue binds on that fourth hub. Well, that's where SS-31
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: binds to help keep the shape and architecture of the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: mitochondria intact. So again, it's challenging, a lot of different peptides.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: How do we know what to use? Well, the way
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: I do it is I want to understand patient's motivation,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: understand their story, understand their goals. And then we start.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: And then I want feedback. How's it working? Are you
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: experiencing like with you? My shoulder's feeling better. We're on
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: the right track. I have more energy. I'm sleeping better.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: There's peptides for circadian rhythm, one called epitalin. There's one
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: called penilon, which helps us release more melatonin. I could
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: go on and on, but I think you get the gist.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: What other type of protocols? Hormones are a big deal.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: I think understanding, we touched upon this a little bit,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: As people age, I think the most tangible thing that
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: happens is that their hormones decline. And there's a lot
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: of hormones. Hormones, by definition, are just messenger molecules. So
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: we have adrenal hormones, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone. There's thyroid hormone,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: which works with metabolism. There's insulin, is a signaling hormone
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: that helps get glucose utilized. There's growth hormone, which is
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: an anabolic hormone. Testosterone, another anabolic hormone, probably the biggest
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: deal for men. There's estrogen, progesterone. you can see there's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a lot. And so what we like to do is
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: understand someone's where they are. And if clinically and in
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: the lab, they're low or they're exhibiting signs of deficiencies,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: we may consider replacing those deficiencies with bioidentical hormones. So
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: for men, testosterone is the first and obvious place to look.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Most men don't realize that low testosterone and in a
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: man is the number one risk factor for heart disease, stroke, depression,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: and dementia. Is it really? Yeah, it's a big deal.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Big deal. As well as if you look at the studies,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: clinical studies, men who replace their testosterone report a higher
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: quality of life across the board. So again, the goal
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: is not to manipulate. The goal is not to make
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: your arms as big as your legs unless you are
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: a bodybuilder and you want to do that. We never
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: want to manipulate the hormones. We want to help you
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: get back and we want to trial you taking this
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: hormone or those hormones and see how you feel, see
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: how you respond. For most people, it's a very positive experience.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: The goal is never to make someone younger. I think
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: that's a silly, silly goal. The goal is to help
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: people feel good their best so they can perform their
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: best at any age. So what... what level T should
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: somebody have? I mean, are we shooting for... It's relative.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: We had it when we were 21. Some people say that.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: So here's how I look at it is, you know,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: we want to go to the regular doctor and it's like, oh,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: you're great for your age. Yeah. So let's talk about that.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: I agree. So let's talk about where do reference ranges
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: come from, right? Reference ranges come from what's in the population.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: And as we've talked about the majority of people in
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: the population, we're talking about adults, overweight, tired, depressed, and
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: taking at this point, multiple pharmaceuticals. So just being in
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: that range to me is mediocre. I don't want anyone
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: to be mediocre. Life's too short to be mediocre. So
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: when we're looking at the ranges, we want it to
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: be on the upper end of the range, right? And
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't mean like, for example, testosterone range, most labs,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: normal is going to be somewhere between 200 and we'll
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: say 1500. Some labs it's more, some labs it's less.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you have to be 1500 to feel
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: your best by no means. Again, it's exploration. Everyone's different.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Everyone has different stories that they tell, the stories they experience,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: life that they live. So if we do a trial
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: of testosterone, over time we find, hey, I'm feeling great,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: and we draw their blood and it's 800, great. It
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we have to shoot for the moon, and
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't mean we want to manipulate it and
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: get super physiologic, you know? Because any kind of thing
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: you do to the body is going to be other
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: things it affects. When men take more testosterone, they're going
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: to make more estrogen. Sometimes that's good, but if they're
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: making too much estrogen, they feel bloated, swollen, they gain
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: water weight, they get really emotional. Some of these hormones,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: I think of them like kids on a playground. Some
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: of them like testosterone. They're a fun, happy kid. Everyone
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: wants more testosterone. Other hormones like cortisol or stress hormones
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: like the big bad bully. Too much cortisol, too little
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: cortisol has a negative impact on other hormones. In terms
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: of testosterone, because this is a great question, if we
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: start and someone is low, I just want them to
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: be higher associated with how they feel. Now, does that
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: mean that if we measure and they say, hey, I'm
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: I think I could sleep better, that we can't try
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: going a little higher. Sure, if it's appropriate. But I
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: think there's an interesting book. It's called The Trouble with Testosterone.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: And it was written by this guy. He's a sociologist
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: at Stanford called, his name's Robert Sapolsky. And he studies
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: baboons in the wild. He also wrote another book called
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. Fascinating guy. That talks about stress.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: But The Trouble with Testosterone, to summarize, is... He found
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: that in the baboon population, you have the alpha male
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: with the highest level of testosterone. And then you have
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: the number five in the pecking order with the lowest
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: level of testosterone. No shit. Both of those had the
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: shortest lifespan. Number one, number five had the shortest lifespan.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: The longest lifespan was number three, right in the middle.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: And his theory was, if you're number one, you're always
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: trying to stay number one. That's very stressful. If you're
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: number five, you're always trying to get to the top.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: That's very stressful. If you're number three, you're good, but
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be too good. And I think
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: that applies to a lot of things in life. So
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: to answer your question, I just want people to be
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: closer to the top, but based on how they feel.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: The more stuff we use, the more side effects we're
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: going to have. Hormones, I think, talking about protocols, they're foundational.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: For a female, it's thyroid hormone. It used to be progesterone.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: It's a thyroid hormone. Low thyroid in women has become
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: an epidemic. Most women in their 40s and 50s are
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: going to have some thyroid problems. I'm not a pessimist,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just a realist. What do you think about GLP-1?
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Great question. I think, by and large, they're a great tool.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: And I've seen this, right? I think we've been using semiglutide,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: terzopatide for almost six years now, maybe seven years. And
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: I think they work. If I am looking at a
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: weight loss tool, I think it's the most reliable right now. Now,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: I think you have to use it judiciously. I think
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: that helping people start at a low dose, take their time,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: go slowly, There's never urgency to me to lose weight.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I hear from people, I need to lose
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: weight in a month. You know, I remember some of
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: these supermodels I work with. Hey, I'm doing a shoot
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: in two weeks. Can we get any season?
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: Like, can we get it? We've got to have good expectations.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: But for most people, the vast majority of us, there's
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: no urgency, right? We want to take our time. And
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: the way they work is they are, it's a signaling molecule.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: So it's slowing down gastric emptying. So your food, as
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: it goes through your stomach and your digestive tract is
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: going to be slowed down. So you're going to feel
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: full faster. As you feel full faster, you're not going
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: to eat as much. If you don't eat as much,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: you're going to lose weight, but you're going to do
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: so and you're not going to feel cranky. I think
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: they can be very effective that way. I really do.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: And by and large, if we use them judiciously and
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: take our time, we really don't see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: side effects. The trouble seemingly that we have now, and
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: it's not really trouble, is people don't want to come
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: off of them. And so people want to stay on
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: them because they're like, I'm afraid I'm going to lose
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: the weight back. And I understand that. And again, I
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: think if we're using low dose and we're checking in
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: and we're monitoring, we're probably good. What I'm starting to
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: see is that higher dose, whatever that is, but higher dose,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: people are experiencing anhedonia. They're coming back and they don't
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: find pleasure anymore. They don't enjoy sex. They don't want
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: to drink coffee. Tequila doesn't taste good. They're just not
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: as satisfied. And so I think it's showing that it
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't just work on the food pathways. It's working on
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: pleasure pathways. Mm-hmm. And it's going to be interesting to
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But as a tool, I
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: think they can be very effective. We've also learned that
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of people with autoimmune disease and chronic inflammation
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: can benefit from low-dose DLP1s. So I'm a fan if
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: used appropriately. We monitor. I do have some people who overshoot.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: I had a patient just A couple months ago, I
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: had to call her out and say, hey, I think
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: this is, you're going too far too fast. You know,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: you're not looking healthy. You've lost weight. I get it.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: But we got to dial that back. And she appreciated it.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: Like everything. There's always going to be bad apples too. Yeah.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: What about ozone? Ozone is interesting. I mean, ozone is.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: which is technically O3 and kind of falls in this
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: category of like oxygen therapies, traditionally has been used for
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: many decades, primarily for wound healing, right? And so the idea,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: and it still is, because the more we need to
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: heal a wound, we need more oxygen in that environment.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: This is why hyperbaric oxygen in the setting of wound
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: healing is very powerful, very powerful. My wife just had
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: this complicated nose surgery and the surgeon, as part of
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: the recovery, have to go into hyperbaric oxygen after the
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: treatments for days upon days. Because he found that after
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: having a surgery, you can accelerate the healing. And she's
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: found that. She's really enjoyed the hyperbaric oxygen. And that,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: you know, the trouble with oxygen, not to get too
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: far off the path, is to get oxygen into our system,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: this is what happens with CPAP. We have to pressurize it, right?
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: And so the idea with people having sleep apnea, if
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: they have a decreased airway, and they're not getting enough
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: oxygen to their brain, you can't just have them breathe
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: in oxygen. They won't get more oxygen into their system.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: So you have to pressurize it. So then we have
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: these devices that sit on the side of the bed,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: which no one likes, but it allows for more oxygen
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: to get to the brain so they don't have apneic
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: events where their blood, you know, oxygen is dropping too low. Ozone,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: tying it back in, is another one of these therapies
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: that helps oxygenate our tissues. And so what we do
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: in our office, there's different ways to do ozone. is
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: we'll start an IV and then we'll draw the blood
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: out into a bag. It's a pump system. So it
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: draws the blood out into a bag. We take oxygen gas,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: we turn it into ozone, which is O3. So we're
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: taking O2 to O3, putting that in the blood, mixing it.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: And then we're turning the bag over and running that
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: blood back in. We run it through a UV light
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: to essentially clean it. And we're kind of oxygenating their system. Now, industrially,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: ozone gas is used to like clean out used cars.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: It has a you know, disinfected effect. So we think
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: of that happening in the body. So we've seen it
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: with people who have chronic, not necessarily chronic, but things
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: going in their gut or post-viral, or they're coming down
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: with an infection. They have a bacterial infection, a viral infection,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: a yeast infection. You can use ozone successfully to help
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: clean out that system and then allows their own innate
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: immune system to strengthen and work. So I think it
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: works well for that, but it also works as an
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: oxygenator which just helps people have more energy. How often
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: should somebody be doing that? It's variable. I think it
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: depends on what they're working on. If just from a
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: pure preventive, I want to be my best, I want
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: people to try it. If they feel good from it,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: maybe once a month. I don't necessarily think more than that.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe once every couple months. If they're working on stuff,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: we've had people who, whether it's post-COVID or some other
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: viral thing, they're doing it twice a week. That just depends.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: Twice a week.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very safe. And again, it has a long history.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Have you seen these... I can't remember what they call it.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about. People have the...
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: bags of yellow. It looks like they pissed in a bag. Yeah.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: What is that? Plasma phoresis. Yeah. So what they're doing
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: is like dialysis, right? And so the idea is, is
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to clean the blood really, really well. And
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: so their, their plasma exchange is basically what it is.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: So they're, drawing their blood out. They're separating the components.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: The plasma or serum is the fluid. They take the
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: red blood cells out and they run it through filters
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: or something. And then they run it back in. And
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: the stuff that they're holding is kind of what they
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: call the debris. Now, I think it's more hype than anything.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is I've known several
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: people to do this treatment and they're like, eh, didn't
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: notice much. The other thing I think about maybe I'm
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: thinking the wrong way, I don't know, is dialysis, they
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: don't get better. If someone has chronic kidney disease and
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: they're on dialysis, that doesn't get better because they're doing dialysis.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: Dialysis is filtering their blood so they can remain alive, essentially.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a bit of a stretch to say,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: we're just going to clean your blood and you're going
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: to be even healthier. I'm not saying it's bad, but
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: it tends to be very expensive and I've heard it's
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. So when I try to evaluate therapies, I
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to do things that are hurting people per se.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: And there has to be some efficacy. In fact, a
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: lot of efficacy. So you're kind of on the fence
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: about this. I'm not on the fence. I don't recommend it.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: You don't recommend it. Not plasmapheresis. No, I don't recommend
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: it at all. I looked into offering it in training
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: and the training was exorbitantly expensive. The business model didn't
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: make sense to me. And people are, you mean you
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: have to charge people. I mean, I think people are
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: paying 15, 20,000 per. I looked at it per session. Yeah.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: Per one. I can't make sense of that. I have
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: a hard time understanding that, particularly when people tell me directly,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: multiple people, didn't notice anything. You're going to spend that
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: much money, I would hope you notice something. Same thing
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: with like peptides, a little bit off topic. If you're
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: injecting yourself with something on a regular basis, I hope
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: you're feeling it. I don't want it to be that
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: people are just injecting, well, I think it's working. I
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: want you to feel it. So I'm not a fan
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: of plasmapheresis. I understand why people would do it, right? Again,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: it's all contextual. If someone had cancer, if someone had
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: some grave disease, why not? Again, why not try everything?
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: But.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to the light plasma. Say
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: that again? Light plasma. P-E-M-F. Light plasma. Yeah, the... the
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: PEMF with the magnetic therapy. So what is that doing?
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not, this is not my subject matter. The way
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: I think about what has been explained to me, we're
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: electrical beings, right? And so electricity is kind of how,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: we had electricity before we had chemicals, meaning there was
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: charge potential, there was voltage. We know that, for example,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: Our mitochondria or cells maintain a voltage to exchange ions
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: or exchange different minerals to allow cellular processes to continue.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: Gross oversimplification. That electricity also creates a magnetic current. And
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: that magnetic current can get incoherent. And what the PEMF
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: does is is essentially lines up, people are familiar with
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: magnetic therapy, right? Two things repel and then you put
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: positive minus and you get attraction. We're trying to get
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: our cells lined up so there's coherence again. So why
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: would someone want to do that? Well, a lot of
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: people are living with pain, inflammation. My wife's got a
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: lot of kind of stored up tension, pain in her
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: muscles and she's done a lot of that PEMF and
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: really finds it to make a difference. and it's non-invasive.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: And you're looking at 15, 20-minute sessions, sometimes longer. But
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: in the terms of looking at the body contextually, you know,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: more holistically, it's more than just chemicals. And so that's
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: why I'm excited about incorporating some of these energy devices
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: from PEMF to hydrogen gas inhalation, vibrational plate. We're also
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: looking at vibroacoustic therapy, which is sound as, you know,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: mechanical therapy. Everybody's just like, yeah. So there's this pod
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: I just trialed. It's called Solodome, S-O-L-O-D-O-M-E. And basically sit
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: in it, and there's different frequencies you can apply, different songs,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: but it's basically helping your cells get tuned. Again, a
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people say, oh, that's quackery, that's woo-woo. I
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: don't think so. You know, our physical being is both mechanical,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: it's electrical, it's magnetic, it's chemical, it's all of the above.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: These therapies that, you know, are non-invasive, again, going back
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: to ancient traditions, drumming, drumming, I mean, this has a
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: very profound effect on people. Rhythm, sound, different frequency, it's
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: a big deal. So we're just trying to understand it.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you create an environment for the
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: human to thrive, not just be mediocre? Any other protocols?
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: I think for people to do at home is, you know,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about HRV therapy or HRV understanding, right?
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Heart rate variability. And what that means is like the
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: in-between the beats of the heart beating. We should have coherence.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: I've said that word a lot. In-sync-ness. It should be in-sync.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: So people are using their Whoop or their Oura Ring
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: or their Apple Watch and trying to get an HRV reading,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: which ties into their readiness score, their sleep score. And
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think those are probably not
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: the best ways. I think the best way is to get,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: like Garmin makes a chest strap called the Polar device.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: You just put it on. There's an app and you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: can do HRV testing. And I think it makes sense
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: for people to do this at home when you wake
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: up in the afternoon, understand your baseline, and then examine
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: what you do, whether it's behaviorally or things you take,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: and see how your HRV is affected. The higher the
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: HRV has been associated with better health outcomes. So that's
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: something I think is important for people to consider. Easy, right?
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: Not complicated. You don't have to do it every day,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: but just try to get a baseline. Understand yourself. I
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: think what's missing for people is self-awareness. And for better
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: or for worse, people are looking for permission for people
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: to do things. That's become very popular. Listen to that podcast.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: They said to do that. Well, try it out. See
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: how it works for you. You know what I mean?
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of exploring that and wanting people
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: to explore it. Everyone's different. I commonly hear, particularly with peptides, hey,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: my brother or my cousin was doing this peptide. They're
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: doing amazing. Why aren't I? Well, you're very different than
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: your brother and your cousin. It doesn't mean it can't
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: work for you, but maybe you need a different dose.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe you need different dosing. Maybe you need twice a
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: day instead of once a day. That's what we like
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: trying to help people do is figure out that individualization.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: What am I missing? I don't know. I think we've
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: got it. This is awesome. Doc. I just want to say, Sean,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: you're doing amazing work. You've had an amazing life. God's
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: really chosen you to do some heavy lifting. You know,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: you're selfless. You sacrifice yourself. throughout your life, uh, means
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: a lot that I get to know you, that you
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: invite me to have conversations with your audience and just
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: want you to know, speaking for the rest of your audience,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: how grateful we are for someone like you. I know
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: it's not easy, um, when you do have to sacrifice
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: and you do have to do heavy lifting, but I
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: can tell you it's noticed. And from my vantage point,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: it's very much appreciated.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: for saying that. And, um, Hope to see you open
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: an office here in Middle Tennessee.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: See you. But I'll keep going to South Carolina in
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: the meantime. I appreciate it. All right, Doc. It was
• 2:16:28
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