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Somehow Jon Watts Returned & Tales From the Nightlands Review CCCVII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you. Always.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, it's time. Hello and welcome back to another episode
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  Speaker 2: of Star Wars Alliance. Of course, I'm your host Clay
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  Speaker 2: and with me Like, every single week, of course, is Katie. Katie,
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  Speaker 2: how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little better than it was last week. So.
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  Speaker 2: I, like, you just said before we jumped on the
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  Speaker 2: air that you had a kind of a hectic day,
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  Speaker 2: and so did I. Guys, Katie already has to deal
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  Speaker 2: with this, and so I have to share. If you
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  Speaker 2: haven't already noticed, if you are a frequent listener... I
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  Speaker 2: am a very heavy procrastinator, and that is because I
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  Speaker 2: have ADHD. It's 100% the reason. And I will tell
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  Speaker 2: you this. If you need to go to the DMV
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  Speaker 2: to get your license changed, renewed, or whatnot, do not
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  Speaker 2: wait until the last minute. Guys, I am dangerously close
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  Speaker 2: to not being able to vote next month because of this.
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  Speaker 2: I am literally doing it on the day. I'm forced
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  Speaker 2: to now do it on the day that is like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if this isn't done by X amount of hours on
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  Speaker 2: this day, you will not be able to vote this year.
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  Speaker 2: And that is because we waited so long And I
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  Speaker 2: say so long. We've been back for three months, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Three-ish months. And... Having changed your licenses? When we went
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  Speaker 2: there today, we got half of the documents that we
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  Speaker 2: had in hand. We were like, oh, we can't just
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  Speaker 2: use digital of these? And they're like, actually... It all depends,
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  Speaker 2: because you guys did say that you lived in Texas before, right?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yes, exactly. We lived in Texas before,
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  Speaker 2: so you have all of our stuff on file. And
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  Speaker 2: they're like, okay, what's your name? Oh, well, actually, give
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  Speaker 2: me your licenses, blah, blah, blah. They looked it all up,
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, Mr. Hinojosa, we actually have bad
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  Speaker 2: news for you. And I was like, oh, great. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what's the bad news? And they're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: your entire record was deleted completely. And you need to
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  Speaker 2: basically act like you're getting new of everything. And I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: You have to retake your test and everything?
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  Speaker 2: Not retake the test, but essentially because my original Texas license,
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  Speaker 2: because again, I moved to Indiana. We had to get
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  Speaker 2: Indiana licenses. We had to get Indiana license plates for
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  Speaker 2: our car. Mm-hmm. My original Texas license, I remember, expired
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  Speaker 2: on my birthday in 2025. But I had it renewed
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  Speaker 2: before then, in 2024. But the record still shows here
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  Speaker 2: in Texas that that old license expires January 7th, 2025.
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  Speaker 2: That has already passed. And so much time has passed
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  Speaker 2: since that expiration date where Texas was like, oh, delete.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's almost asinine. Like, that is a
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  Speaker 2: public record of a living individual. And you're just going
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  Speaker 2: to delete everything? Like, that's so messed up.
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  Speaker 3: Texas be Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Texas definitely be Texas. Um, so now we have to
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  Speaker 2: get all of our ducks in a row tomorrow and
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  Speaker 2: Friday and then go back on Monday, the fifth, which
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  Speaker 2: is the last day to get registered in order to
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  Speaker 2: vote and hope that like, Hey, everything is in order.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we are good to go. Otherwise, we are unable
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  Speaker 2: to vote this year. And I was like, God dang it.
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  Speaker 2: If we would have just done all of this the
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  Speaker 2: very next week that we had gotten here, like we
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  Speaker 2: had thought of, because it came up. The conversation came up,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, we can wait. It'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: And then life got ahead of us. And then boom,
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  Speaker 2: now we're here. Crap. But yeah, that's my life. And
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  Speaker 2: so I will always say, if you are somebody with ADHD,
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  Speaker 2: it's called body doubling. Have a body double with very
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  Speaker 2: important tasks that you need to do, like registering and
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. But Katie, we actually have not
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  Speaker 2: only just this comic review. Surprisingly, we have some news
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. And I still haven't gotten your reaction
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  Speaker 2: to it. We're going to talk about this. I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: to see what you have to say about it, because
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  Speaker 2: my God, do people have stuff to say about this?
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  Speaker 2: Including me. And I think, surprisingly, it's not a hot take,
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  Speaker 2: but for some reason... because of the state of the
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  Speaker 2: world it is a hot take it's really it's really
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  Speaker 2: weird it's really dumb but we'll talk about it um
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  Speaker 2: guys we are going to be talking about of course
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  Speaker 2: the new star wars director that being john watts.
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  Speaker 3: For supposedly star wars episode 10.
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  Speaker 2: For is it is it just.
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  Speaker 3: 10 That's all it says.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. So, so it is, it's just 10, but
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  Speaker 2: from reports that we had seen previous to this, when
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  Speaker 2: they were just outlining everything, when they were preparing this trilogy,
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  Speaker 2: the rumors are that they've fleshed out like what is
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  Speaker 2: actually going to happen throughout the trilogy and, rather than
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  Speaker 2: doing what they did with the sequel trilogy. Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the... Kenberg, who directed... I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Kenberg wrote on Star Wars Rebels and X-Men Days of
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  Speaker 3: Future Past. I believe he directed Dark Phoenix.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, yes.
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  Speaker 3: So he is.
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  Speaker 3: Writing the trilogy. He's been working on this trilogy since 2024. So,
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  Speaker 3: they have a plan.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is best known for writing, producing, and directing
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  Speaker 2: for the X-Men franchise. You're right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, he's been writing the entire trilogy since 2024. So,
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  Speaker 3: it sounds like they are going in with a plan
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  Speaker 3: for what is to happen. As much as I would
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  Speaker 3: like to see a director take on the whole trilogy,
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  Speaker 3: at least it sounds like there's a full script for
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  Speaker 3: all three movies or at least an outline. Yeah. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure each director is going to come in and go, well,
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  Speaker 3: I want to change this. I want to do yada, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 3: But it sounds like there's an overall plan. So I
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  Speaker 3: think some of the people's reactions that I have seen is, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it sounds like we're going back through the sequel trilogy again.
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  Speaker 3: I do think they're approaching it differently. because we knew
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  Speaker 3: for a fact that each director in the sequel trilogy
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  Speaker 3: was writing their own scripts and like doing their own
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  Speaker 3: development and stuff on it. Whereas at least it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like that there's a development plan for where all three
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  Speaker 3: movies are supposed to go here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I like the choice of John Watts as a director. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's done an incredible, he did an incredible
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  Speaker 3: job with Spider-Man. He did an incredible job with skeleton crew.
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  Speaker 3: As a show runner. And so I think it makes
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  Speaker 3: logical sense. To go man. This guy made four billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: For Sony and Marvel. Doing the Spider-Man trilogy. Skeleton Crew.
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  Speaker 3: Was nicely reviewed for most of it. Let's bring this
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  Speaker 3: guy on. And have this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Start the next movie.
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  Speaker 3: I think that makes sense. I. Like I said I wish.
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  Speaker 3: That they had said. Oh he's going to do the
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  Speaker 3: whole trilogy. But I also get, don't count your chickens
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  Speaker 3: before they're hatched. Like, any, any other. I had a
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  Speaker 3: nightmare while I was driving my daughter, Mara, to my
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  Speaker 3: sister's house for daycare. And I immediately voice texted Clay,
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  Speaker 3: and Siri just garbled it. But I said, I just
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  Speaker 3: had a horrific thought. What if, because this... is episode
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  Speaker 3: 10 of the skywalker saga what if they're being super
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  Speaker 3: sneaky about it and decide hey this is actually going
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  Speaker 3: to be the prequel trilogy to the sequel trilogy instead
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  Speaker 3: of going after the sequel trilogy To kind of fit
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  Speaker 3: in the Skywalker saga. Because all of the detractors. Online
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  Speaker 3: are like. Rey is not a real Skywalker. The Skywalker
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  Speaker 3: saga should be done. Which I totally agree with. The
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  Speaker 3: Skywalker saga should be done. We should be able to
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  Speaker 3: carry those characters forward. But the whole let's continue the
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  Speaker 3: Skywalker saga. Is dumb. So I had the nightmare thought.
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  Speaker 3: That it was going to be. Hey Luke is training
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  Speaker 3: Ben Solo. We're going to see a bunch of. body
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  Speaker 3: doubles and cgi and ai recreations and i'm just like
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  Speaker 3: health fucking.
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  Speaker 2: No no so so there is a it's not a
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  Speaker 2: rumor but it's a voice of concern through some people
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  Speaker 2: and i feel like it should be a voice of
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  Speaker 2: concern if this is something that could actually happen um
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  Speaker 2: There are some people that believe that the wild twist
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  Speaker 2: in Starfighter is that the young child is not Luke's son.
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  Speaker 2: But Ryan Gosling is. And so he is in fact
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  Speaker 2: Cade Skywalker. And he will be leading the charge in
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  Speaker 2: the new trilogy. That would be.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say I would be done with
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars, but like, I would be very pissed.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if Gosling wants to commit to that
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  Speaker 3: many movies, especially when he has Ghost Rider coming up
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  Speaker 3: with Sean Levy.
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  Speaker 2: But that's, that's the thing. If Starfighter works well enough,
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  Speaker 2: they go do Ghost Rider and, And they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's just jump right back into Star Wars. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just the two of them hanging around for, like, because, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: John Watts does one as, like, the ramp up. And
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  Speaker 2: then you give 11 to Sean Levy.
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  Speaker 3: Which, and that was the other piece of news that
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  Speaker 3: I saw on Star Wars News Net was that Sean Levy...
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  Speaker 3: is actually moving his TV production deal from Netflix to Disney.
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  Speaker 3: And it came into play because Disney saw the Starfighter
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  Speaker 3: cut that he has currently circulating. And they were like,
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  Speaker 3: we love this. We want more. So good sign. Good sign.
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  Speaker 2: Good sign. But that's something that could very well happen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: my take on John Watts. I like the Spider-Man trilogy.
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  Speaker 2: I like Skeleton Crew. I am really meh about the
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  Speaker 2: choice of him leading the charge of the new trilogy.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw somebody else online say that he is
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  Speaker 2: not an offensive pick. It should not Like, it legitimately
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  Speaker 2: should not offend anybody that he is making this movie.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not exciting that he's directing this movie.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not. Like, it's definitely more of a safe pick. Like,
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  Speaker 3: Sean Levy, as much as probably some people make fun
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  Speaker 3: of this for being, Sean Levy is more of a
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  Speaker 3: risky pick. And a more exciting pick than John Watson's.
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  Speaker 3: I would say.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just.
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  Speaker 3: Because I know. Sean Levy does different genre types of films.
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  Speaker 2: And stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That I like Star Wars bringing in.
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  Speaker 2: My hot take. Because. I can't remember when. We were
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  Speaker 2: talking about it. In the Geekverse Discord. But. we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about, like, oh, what should come next for Star Wars? Like,
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  Speaker 2: who should be the next big director in Star Wars? And, like,
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  Speaker 2: of course, they were choosing all of their, like, cinema directors,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: They're too famous for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: There is a rumor that I want to bring up
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  Speaker 2: that kind of goes along the lines of my hot take.
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  Speaker 2: But with John Watts.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is literally the safest pick
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  Speaker 2: you can do. Because one thing that we talked about
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  Speaker 2: in Skeleton Crew is, and the one thing that was
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  Speaker 2: told to us even before we saw episode one was, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this feels like classic Star Wars. It is the, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's go back to our roots. You know?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think When you say that, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think John Watts was reusing too many elements.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I think he knows how to hallmark back to the
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  Speaker 3: creativity that was the original Star Wars. He knew how
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  Speaker 3: to do that with Spider-Man by bringing in some of
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  Speaker 3: the elements there. So I'm not saying I lack confidence
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  Speaker 3: in this. This is definitely a safe choice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it looks like Obey Janoy's New Jedi Order film
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  Speaker 3: that was supposed to star Ray with Daisy Ridley is
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  Speaker 3: Ray obviously has been shelved to make way for episode 10.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I am like really annoyed with is
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  Speaker 2: you had somebody right there. Why couldn't you give her
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  Speaker 2: episode 10? Yep. You know, now, Again, unfortunately, I had
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  Speaker 2: this conversation with Travis yesterday. I was commenting on his show.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like, unfortunately, you have to kind of
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  Speaker 2: choose the safest, most classic-looking Star Wars picks to adhere
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  Speaker 2: to all of the loudmouths. That are going to be
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  Speaker 2: talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: Like we've talked about forever. The negative voices will always
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  Speaker 3: sound louder than the positive voice. Unfortunately. But that's just
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  Speaker 3: the reality of today's day and age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And... For me.
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  Speaker 1: I.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I like Spider-Man. I like Skeleton Crew.
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  Speaker 2: I think with this.
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  Speaker 2: We will have fun, but I, and I can always
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  Speaker 2: be surprised. Like John Watts can always surprise me. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, but I do feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: just going to be okay. Continuing the Skywalker saga, uh,
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  Speaker 2: And that's it. Like there is not going to be,
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  Speaker 2: and even Travis said this, you're not going to have
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  Speaker 2: your last Jedi moment. You're not going to have this crazy, like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's put star Wars like on its head type of
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  Speaker 2: move with John Watts. Now they can move in that
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  Speaker 2: direction for episode 11 and episode 12. They very much could.
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  Speaker 2: It all depends on what John Watts does. For this
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  Speaker 2: first movie. I think that overall. The people who are like. Dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: Complaining about this. Like I'm sorry. Get the hell out
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  Speaker 2: of here. I think you're pretty stupid at this point.
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  Speaker 3: It just. It definitely. The biggest thing that this does
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  Speaker 3: for me. Is it makes me sad. that we're missing
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  Speaker 3: perfect like great people who look different to the average
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  Speaker 3: white guy to come in and direct a star wars
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  Speaker 3: film we still haven't had a female director of a
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  Speaker 3: star wars film give me fucking bryce dallas howard sorry
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  Speaker 3: guys i'm really like jammed up about like bryce dallas
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  Speaker 3: howard like everybody has loved everything she does give the
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  Speaker 3: girl a movie like i want to see it happen
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  Speaker 3: I need to see somebody else behind the camera. That's
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  Speaker 3: not just the average white guy.
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  Speaker 2: We, we were, like I said, we were joking around
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  Speaker 2: in the Geekverse Discord. People were saying Tarantino. Somebody had
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  Speaker 2: joked around with Nolan. Yes. The Tarantino thing turned into, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's race swap and gender bin literally every single character
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  Speaker 2: and see what we can come up with. And it lasted, like,
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  Speaker 2: almost a full day, which I thought was hilarious. But, like...
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  Speaker 2: It started getting into a more deeper conversation. And I
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  Speaker 2: even brought up Hiding from the Dark, the recent novel
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  Speaker 2: that we reviewed here on the show, about how you
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: can do so many crazy different things with storytelling like
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  Speaker 2: these books that I'm afraid we'll never get to see
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  Speaker 2: that type of storytelling in live action. For the fact,
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  Speaker 2: and this is tiny spoilers for Hiding from the Dark,
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  Speaker 2: Darth Vader is literally a nightmare shadow for three-fourths of
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  Speaker 2: the entire story. You could do that kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: in live action, but nobody will be willing to do
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  Speaker 2: that because they would be too afraid of like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: there won't be enough Darth Vader. It'll just be his voice.
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  Speaker 2: It'll just be you know, his respiratory machine. Like, it
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  Speaker 2: won't be him, and so people will get mad. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's dumb. I think that's dumb to think
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: It goes back to the, we're developing movies and TV
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  Speaker 3: shows now for the person who has their phone in
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  Speaker 3: their hand the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It just sucks.
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  Speaker 2: But I eventually said, and this goes along with our
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  Speaker 2: second topic, um, Of course, we don't really talk about things.
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  Speaker 2: We don't talk about rumors too much because we usually
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  Speaker 2: just talk about things that have been confirmed that have
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: been confirmed by Star Wars. This is a rumor that
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  Speaker 2: is worth talking about because this is something that we
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  Speaker 2: have been wanting for so long. Katie, I sent you
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  Speaker 2: a scoop and I said grain of salt, no sources,
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  Speaker 2: just a rumor at the moment. That Star Wars Lucasfilm
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  Speaker 2: is developing a... Is it one or two? I think
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  Speaker 2: it might even be two.
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  Speaker 3: I think you said two.
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  Speaker 2: They are developing two 2D animated Star Wars movies and
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  Speaker 2: one CGI movie in development.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And this is when we were talking about who should
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  Speaker 2: be making a movie for Star Wars, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know what? Fuck it. Star Wars animated
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  Speaker 2: movie directed by Brad Bird.
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  Speaker 3: Who's Brad Bird?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Director of The Incredibles. He's making that new movie on
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  Speaker 2: Netflix called Ray Gun. I don't know if you've seen
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  Speaker 2: the trailer for that one yet. Think of The Incredibles animation,
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  Speaker 2: but for Star Wars. Yeah. Pixar type of animation. 3d
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  Speaker 2: i would love to see that that would be amazing
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  Speaker 2: like i don't know why disney hasn't thought about it
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  Speaker 2: like years ago you know and especially with.
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  Speaker 3: The success of visions and if you want to argue
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  Speaker 3: the success or not they've kept doing it like the
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  Speaker 3: success of visions has shown that people are interested in
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  Speaker 3: seeing star wars in other animation types yeah and if
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  Speaker 3: those animation types be the development of like where it's
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  Speaker 3: like studio Ghibli animation, for instance, like anime is the correct,
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  Speaker 3: it's not animation.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways.
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  Speaker 3: Um, like if we want to switch around stuff, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily like, I think resistance was everybody's hot take
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  Speaker 3: of like, Ooh, I don't like this animation style, but.
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  Speaker 2: Like, we don't need to see animation all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. rebels it took people two seasons before they're like
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  Speaker 3: oh okay i can get into this animation style yeah
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like so we had to give people time to adapt
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and say you know what we're just gonna commit and
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to suck it up like.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And like the fact that they're developing two 2d animation
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: movies here tells me that uh and and i don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: know if you saw this before um And I don't
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: remember if you, uh, Oh, Oh my goodness. Uh, what
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: is that podcast that, uh, I know that a few
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of us in the, in the GUA used to listen to,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I love movies.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So I had heard from that podcast several years ago
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that there was a really big push in Hollywood to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: go back to 2d animation. That studios were yearning to
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: go back to it. And I think the genuine reason
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: why is that the fact that 3D animation has started
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to become a little bit more expensive. Go back to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the roots where you're also having... tens of thousands if
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: not hundreds of thousands of artists are yearning for a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: job like this the market is is ready for it
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to have another renaissance for 2d animation i would love
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to have a 2d animated star wars film in the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: same light of let's say.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Um uh.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like the last like darker
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: 2d animation that was also like kind of geared towards
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: kids um oh what is what is is it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I think prince of egypt is always when i go
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: back to like.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: What and i know like is that is it a
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: dark crystal what's what's the one with the with the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: with the animals in it um i have no idea Oh, shoot. Oh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: my gosh. This is going to drive me crazy. 2D
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: animated Dark Crystal. I know that's not right. It's not
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Dark Crystal. It's 2D animated.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: But like the Black Cauldron is another one. If you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: remember Disney's Black Cauldron. Nope. You know what? I think
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I made you watch this movie, Treasure Planet. Did we
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: do that for your film podcast? We never did. Damn it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That was one that I've always told you to watch.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Treasure Planet. An amazing, amazing movie. And you get to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: see how the amalgam of old school... 2d animation can
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: still flourish with like some CGI scenes. Like it's, it's perfect.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It would be perfect for star Wars. And we've seen freaking,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like you said, visions, visions showed so much 2d animation
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and how, Hey, this is still relevant. This is still
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: something that is, uh, uh, that is still drawn in
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: by the masses because of, like you said, anime, um, and,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and things like that. I, I just really hope this
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: rumor is true. Like genuinely, I hope that we get
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: more on it. Um, which does bring the question with
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: John Watts being announced as the director right now, right
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: before October, do you think we get anything at Celebration?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe casting, but I think they're going to wait to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: see how Starfighter does in Celebration before Starfighter comes out.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: So I think they're going to be going ham on Starfighter,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: talking about how Ahsoka... So.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You think the earliest we get anything might be San Diego? Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I don't see anything at Celebration other than maybe a casting.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: But I think.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I could even see just a title card. I don't know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Because that was going to be my next little fun question.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: We know nothing about this movie other than the fact
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that Rey is going to be involved. Two like unknown
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: actors are going to be the lead of this film. Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: We don't know anything about plot. We know nothing. So
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: my question to you was going to be, what is
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: your out of left field title of this movie? Star Wars,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: episode 10, what?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: The beginning of the end.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I saw a post of the Revenge of the Sith.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: poster and the uh the rise of skywalker poster and
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: they both said uh the trilogy concludes and somebody was
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like man this thing just keeps going like The fact
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that they're like, oh, the saga concludes. The saga concludes.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The saga concludes. It's just like.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: We just have to commit and move on.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and guys, this does remind me that next week
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we are having another discussion topic of where we personally
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: think Lucasfilm should go as far as ABY or BBY?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Before the Battle of Yevon, after the Battle of Yevon.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And I know what all y'all are thinking. Well, we've
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: seen both of those already. We're talking about far off
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in both directions. We're going to come in with our
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: opinions and a little bit of like a reasoning why
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: we think that now uh i did post a question
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: over in the geekverse discord over in our little star
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: wars discussion chat uh for anybody who wants to kind
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: of give their opinion and their reasoning why uh but
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: yeah i i think that like the fact that we
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: know this is going to be like with ray right
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: but ray is only supposed to be a small piece
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of it. There is rumor. Is it rumor or confirmation
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that Rey is also in Starfighter?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Rumor.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Rumor. So, like, that is something that Travis brought up
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that I really, like, also is kind of like, hey, yeah, like,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: why are we just throwing Daisy away? You know?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Daisy clearly wants to come back.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Like, there was somebody to do the New Jedi Order.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: There was somebody that was like, oh, yeah, and we
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: could totally recast Rey as an older individual for the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: new films. And I'm like, Daisy is still alive. She's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The only reason why I would say recast... I would personally,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and I think this would be a really, like genuinely, Lucasfilm,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: John Watts, somebody, anybody, listen to this. Because I think
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: this would actually be a really fun story that you
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: could do through all three freaking movies. Maybe not all three,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm getting a little ahead of myself. So, if
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you cast an older Rey, two timelines, same movie, same
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: villain and they are just fucking with ray.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Like our comic that we're going to be talking about
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: today by kevin scott.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yes and and and i i think that would be
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: really fun like if you were to show ray like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: in the beginning of the film you show like this
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: whole new actor that's older and it's ray skywalk and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you're like wait what the hell happened to daisy ridley
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: And like she confronts this enemy and that enemy is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: all like, oh, do you remember when we first met?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And then like it goes into a flashback where where
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Daisy is like still there. Yeah, I think that would
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: be really fun. And like not like not have it
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to where it's only flashbacks, but like actual dialogue and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: like like actual transition through time. That would be fun.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And this is coming, guys. This is coming from the
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: guy who hates multiple timelines in books.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly! And I genuinely just thought about this last night
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: when the guys over at Geekverse were talking about this
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: whole thing. I'm just like, that would be a really
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: cool concept. It genuinely would. But yeah, that's really all
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: my take. Again, like... no hard feelings for John Watts whatsoever. Like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I think he did an amazing job as skeleton crew.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just not expecting him to make a last Jedi. Like, and,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: and it's a little disappointing, but I do hope that like,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he wows us like, because although I look at homecoming
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: as a good Spider-Man film, I didn't leave Homecoming like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: oh my God, that was the best Spider-Man film I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: have ever seen in my entire life. You know? Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But somebody will have that feeling because it will probably
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: be their first Star Wars. And that's all that matters.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, that's all that matters.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: That's all that matters. But speaking of, Katie did bring
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it up. We're going to be now jumping into our
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: main discussion, which is Tales from the Nightlands. Of course,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: this was written by Kevin Scott, drawn by.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: We have the first issue is art by Sue Lee.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: The second issue is art by Vincenzo Riccardi. And Robert
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Hack did the third issue. And that's just generic art by.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm assuming they did both the penciling and the coloring.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And the ink. It is lettered by Comicraft's Tyler Smith
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and Jimmy Betancourt. And with concept designs by Ian McKaig
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and Francesco Francovia. With cover art by Francesco Francavia. I'm
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: assuming that's the double L. So I apologize if that
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: was Villa. But my Spanglish came out. So if you
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: guys don't know. We are coming into October. And one
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: of the things that Claire and I have not done.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Is we have not reviewed the Halloween comic. That Kevin
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Scott has famously done. For the past five years. He
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: did not do one this year. So we're going back.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: To last year's. Comic. And this is a Dark Horse publication. Where.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: We face the same villain. Across three generations. The three trilogies.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Issue one.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: We go.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: We start with Anakin. And Obi-Wan on Ryloth. Issue number
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: two is on Ravnir with Luke and Leia. And then
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: the last issue is on... Oh, I.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Forgot the planet that that one was on.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Aloth in the Gull sector. And we have two continuous characters.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: throughout the three issues we have oh my gosh it's dayla.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Day dayless daylith daisha daisha daisha sorry.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And the nightlander queen.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Which her name is um oh gosh it says it
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: it's not in the first issue no it's it's in
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the third issue i know for sure The Hitanaga?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds right.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: The true form of the Hitanaga, yeah. Katie, I'm going
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to be completely honest with you. This book was good.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Two-thirds of this book were good. Well, probably I'm going
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to say 85% of this book was good.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: The conclusion. It's cheesy. I wanted to throw this book
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: at the wall. On top of nonlinear storytelling, one of
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the most, I feel like, annoying. I don't even know
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: if this is a correct word. I'm gonna have to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: look at the dictionary conclusionary like storytelling elements is we
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: will win by the power of love we will win
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: by the power of our words We will win without
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: laying a single figure on this giant supernatural being that
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: has been overpowering everybody for literal millennia. I'm just like....
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: You can't handle the cheese.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I really can't. I really can't. There's some times where
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn. That was cool. Sometimes. but like the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: ending of issue three, it was like five pages.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Where they just have hammering it in.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Five pages. And I get that Scott was probably going
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: for impact, um, with every single character talking about hope.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Um, Oh my god, the word hope was spoken like
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: ten bajillion times in those five pages. It was annoying.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: And that's what they talk about in the first issue, right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Is that the Nightlander Queen I'm just going to keep
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: calling her that because the other name is too complex.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: The Nightlander Queen is all about consuming the hopeless, basically.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: So it is a trend through all three issues. I...
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: My major dislike with this was I did not like
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: that Finn is chosen to be the one who falls.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And now in The Rise of Skywalker, looking at it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: it looks like he still didn't learn his lesson. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: hate that choice.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this technically would be a better choice if
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Rey was the one. Given the fact that if, like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: did Kevin Scott not get the outline for Legacy while
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: writing this?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm sorry, like, where is our canon Bible people here, guys? Like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: this is something that should, now, granted, granted, I don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: know how long it took Rue? Roe? How do you
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: pronounce that last name? We never really figured that out
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: for Legacy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: The first issue?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Legacy. The author of Legacy. Is it
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Rue or is it Roe? I think it's Roe. Roe. Okay. Granted,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Roe probably hadn't finished Legacy by the time this book
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: was finished. You know?
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I would think so, yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: And so, like, it's in that awkward stage of, like, hey, like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: this just so happened to come out before that. And so, like,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really mesh, but it could have meshed if
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: they would have worked a little bit harder at it,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you know? Yeah. And I just think, like, Rey should
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: have been the one. And I understand. I understand in retrospect...
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Right after The Last Jedi, Rey is the one that
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: is the most hopeful. But seeing the doubt that she
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: has in Legacy, with Leia still being alive at this point,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it's right there in the timeline. You know? And so
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: it's just unfortunate. Because this is after Legacy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Because Rey calls her Master. Yeah. In this. So, I
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: would assume that it's after.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's technically true, yeah. I guess so.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I think... But you could have been like, oh, this is, like,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: her final test.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: For her hope. Yeah, for sure. Genuinely. Like, it still
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: would have worked. But, like, I also, like... Bravo for
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the artist on issue three, by the way. It's not
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: my favorite art, but it's the fact that it's not
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my favorite art that I'm like, hey, like, you got
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the vibe, you know?
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: And I think all three artists managed to blend each
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: other's art style and kind of play off of all
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of the issues. My favorite art is probably issue number
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: one with Sully's art. I really enjoyed it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I actually like issue number two's art.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Issue number two gave me the heebie-jeebies.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: So issue two, we're more familiar with their arts because
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of High Republic Adventures.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And I just really love the vibrancy of issue two.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: The pinks, the purples, the reds, the blues, like it
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: all just looked really good.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: And I think if we hadn't reached more into the
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: heebie-jeebies of, and I get, I'll give you a run, guys.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: This is a horror comic. Like, it's supposed to be Halloween,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: horror themed, the whole shbang. It's just not my vibe.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I was going to ask you
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: for issue three specifically. Because, like, you see Rose, right?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Rose is there talking to Finn. I immediately was like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: where was she on that other panel? I didn't see Rose.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: why are you here rose why are you here and
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: like the very next panel she's in the background her
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: eyes are all glowy she has this like creepy smile
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that's like super creepy and it like she has like
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: an overbite in that too and then when the light
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: actually like shines on her in the next panel like
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: her eyes are all like dysfunctioned and like her mouth
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: is like 17 times wider like it's.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: It's wild I think if Hatch had chosen to go
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: in a similar direction to Riccardi's artwork, I would have
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: been more creeped out by it. Because it's not as vibrant,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I don't get quite as creeped out from it. I
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: still got creeped out from it. Like you said, I
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: enjoy all three issues of art.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: This panel right here with Darth Vader... and and uh
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: han uh being in carbonite and stuff love the art
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: love the art and then there's like these huge double
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: page spreads excuse me um and one in particular like
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: yoda showed excuse me yoda showed up and stuff like
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that was all so good i really really dug the
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: art so So how did you feel about the character
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: of Daisha? We see her, like you said, she is
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: in all three issues. She is a child in the
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: first one. She is like, I would say a little
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: younger than middle age.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's 30 years between each issue because that's
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: when the convergence happens.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Yes. So I would say she's like maybe 40 in
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: issue number two. And then in issue number three, she's
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: anywhere between 70 and 80 years old. I really like
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: this character.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: The fact that she is also the connecting point to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: all of this, I think is really, really fun. Um,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: because of like this, like superstition slash like spiritual ritual
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: thing that happens within their clan and stuff like this
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is what brings about like the Nightlander queen, the whole
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: premise starts off with her not being able to say
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: goodbye to her grandfather. And there's this idea about, oh,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: people mourn in different ways, and it's not fair that
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I never got the chance to mourn. and it's a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it's a crazy connection to Anakin Skywalker because in the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: midst of this Nightlander Queen coming out and like causing
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: havoc she confronts Anakin and she's like oh you don't
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: want to defeat me because you just want to be
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the hero you want to see somebody you lost and
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: dummy me I didn't even think like When she said it,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, his mother. I'm like, oh, wait, his
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: mother is still alive at this point. And it was
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Qui-Gon Jinn. like he the person that he wanted to
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: see was qui-gon jinn because it also arcs back to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: um a comment that daisha had said about like oh
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: so what do you do with uh those who have
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: passed and he oh what does he say um oh,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you don't, don't your dad lie in state? Because her
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: grandfather is just, like, in a tomb. And he says, no,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: we return them to the force, and it has a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: panel of Qui-Gon Jinn burning. I'm like, damn. Like, we,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: there was never a time, and I don't know if
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: there is one in canon that we just have not
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: read yet. Like, Anakin never got his time to like,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: or at least I haven't seen Anakin have his time
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: to mourn Qui-Gon. Now, again, I think more so it's
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: because the Jedi are like, Hey, there's no need to mourn.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: He's with the force.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And this is still a child who has lived most
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: of his life outside of a Jedi council and just
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: now learning to be a Padawan.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: So like, This does make sense for a kid who's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: just still learning about all that stuff. But I love
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: the way this whole thing ends because even the first
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: issue ends with cheese because then you have Obi-Wan Kenobi
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: he's like, he's never alone and then he uses the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Force too. This whole book is cheese. Unfortunately the third
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: book does push it a little too far. like because
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: you even have at the end of issue two like
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Luke has this of course very Luke mentality of oh
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I have to do everything by myself you know I
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: have to do all this on my own and then
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: who saves his ass Leia and it was like idiot
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna help you too I like I just
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: think sometimes when it comes to the cheese factor, I personally,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I don't see it as an attack towards me. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: think that's silly to ever think that, but I do
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: think it is a, Hey, so that way I don't
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: have to think about this story anymore. Let's just write
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it like this.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I do think, though, that you are... This is an
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: all-age comic, and so they have to incorporate that in
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: some way. Like, reading the different Star Wars.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: The power of love. The power of love.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Reading the different Star Wars books tomorrow that, like, I've
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: accumulated that are, like, the young readers' books. Like, Jedi,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Brave Every Way, and I Love You, I Know. Like,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: they all have... some element of cheese in.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Them oh yeah like there's uh i have one of
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the little golden books of star wars that's like uh
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: is it oh man i can't remember the title it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: like star wars uh uh uh like a galactic princess
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: or something like that and it's talking about the the
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: three princesses had may leia and technically ray but not
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: really you know type of thing um So, like, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: get that. I do. But, like, one of the things that, like,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like Kevin Scott and everybody really pushed on
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: this whole release of these three individual books was, like, hey,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: this is going to probably be the scariest one that
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: we've made, you know? Like, you thought the Darth Vader
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: ones were scary? Hey!
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: here we go. This is going to be a supernatural
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: being that you've never seen before. It's like, cool. And
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: then you're like, by the power of love, it's like,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: you're this close. You were this close. And again, like
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: this is literally everything that I have personally asked for
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: in star Wars. I always say, Hey, let's get weird.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Let's get more supernatural beings. Like this is what I
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: want in star Wars. Where it gets sci-fi, supernatural, like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. I will say, and, you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: this is just the process of me not knowing how
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: certain species age. When Daisha was introduced in the third book,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's not her. What? But she's old.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And old people don't look like... how they look when
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: they were young. So, you know, it is what it is.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I do kind of like how she became the crazy
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: old coot, you know, that's just like, Hey, you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it's the, it's the supernatural blah, blah, blah. That comes
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: every 30 years. Like, I think that's fun. And I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: think that like, you could genuinely, I would like to
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: see Daisha cameo in some stuff from here on out.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: With her being solidified as this key thing. Again, because
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the Bindu was a huge thing in the Rebels, right?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And I feel like the Nightlander is such an entity
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that you could be like, hey, she should be as
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: big as the Bindu.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I could definitely see that where it's like
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the dark side aspect of it. Like that eternal life seeker.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Um, integrating it in that sort of way. I don't
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: know if we'll ever do see that just because of
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: the way Lucasfilm is in their lackluster desire to incorporate
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: things from books and comics.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately. Yeah.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Um, But yeah, I really enjoyed this one. It did
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: give me the heebie-jeebies. Can't say that it didn't. I'm
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: just never going to be a horror person. But I
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: really enjoyed the art. I enjoyed getting that multi-timeline aspect
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: of the villain facing the heroes of our trilogies and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: getting it knocked out. Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: But guys, I think that is it for this episode. Uh,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: we did spend a while on the conversation of John Watts, uh,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: was not entirely expecting it to go that long, but
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's, it's, we got something, you know? And,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: and I think that's the big thing is that we
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: are slowly moving towards like, Hey, we're going to see
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: star Wars more often now. Um, so yeah, I, I
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: think it'll be, it'll be fun. Of course, you can
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: always find me at fanboyclay on Instagram and on threads. Also,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: if you guys could please go check out Volume Comics
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: on Instagram and threads as well. Things are happening. I'll
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: say that much. I can't say much more. But things
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: are happening. And it's exciting. I will eventually be able
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: to say something. I just don't know when yet. But
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: things are happening. Speaking of Ranger Alliance as well, Jake
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: and I finally got back together and recorded an episode
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: of Ranger Alliance. We decided, hey, we're going to stick
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: through it. We really like the show. We talked about
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the cancellation of Power Rangers movie. We talked about the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: failure of of the last Jason David Frank movie, of course,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Legend of the White Dragon. We talked about, hey, we're
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: probably going to review the Matt Damon Power Rangers spinoff,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: whatever it's going to be movie, whenever that releases. So
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: that'll be fun and looking forward to that. But yeah,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: so if you have been enjoying us over at Ranger Alliance,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: please go check us out there as well. But Katie,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: what about you?
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Y'all, you can find me on most social media platforms.
• 58:23
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• 58:26
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• 58:30
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• 58:34
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• 58:43
  Speaker 3: wish everyone a great day or night, whatever time of
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: day you're listening or watching. And we will see y'all
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: next time. May the force be with you.