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You Are (Not) The Father · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's a special episode of the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Ashley and myself are back.
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  Speaker 2: From an amazing weekend in the mountains. We have so
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  Speaker 2: many stories to talk about and break down about the wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Most of those are gonna occur in a podcast that
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  Speaker 2: we're recording with two other people who were at this wedding,
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  Speaker 2: Tanya and Becca, and they have some great stories as well.
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  Speaker 2: But Ashley and I have some personal things to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to tell a little story here
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll get into headlines today and as I said,
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  Speaker 2: with deep dive into the wedding here in the next episode.
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  Speaker 2: But there's two stories that kind of happen that don't
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  Speaker 2: really give the details of the wedding. Leading up to
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  Speaker 2: this wedding, I had told Ashley. Ashley, it gets really
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  Speaker 2: cold at night in Colorado, like right now, it's down.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing how cold it gets. It's beautiful
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  Speaker 2: during the day, free at night. We were in the mountains.
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  Speaker 2: We won't get the location until the next episode. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I tell her this and then I don't know. Twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours later, I'm on a text stard with like
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  Speaker 2: four girls.
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  Speaker 4: No, we were already on the textrad though.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're freaking out on me, like oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: are we going to die?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like no.
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  Speaker 2: And then I started feeling guilty, like I think I've
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  Speaker 2: ruined Dean and Kiln's wedding and I've like given it
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  Speaker 2: a bad name. But I was serious when I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I love Ashley, and I love Ashley like a sister
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  Speaker 2: to me, and I would not want a sibling of
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  Speaker 2: mine to go to the mountains unprepared, and there were
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  Speaker 2: people there unprepared.
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  Speaker 4: You prepared me. I took two good coats and I
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  Speaker 4: was not cold. I was never really.
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  Speaker 3: Cold, but you would have been.
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  Speaker 4: But you freaked me out thinking that there was like
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  Speaker 4: going to be what one You know that I was
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  Speaker 4: freaked out because like I wasn't going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to talk to Dawson, which I was because we were
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  Speaker 4: in a special little area with why.
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  Speaker 2: But again I wasn't exactly wrong saying if you aren't
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  Speaker 2: in the main cabin, their Wi Fi is limited. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna share this. So I'm on this thread, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I get like these girls worrying
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  Speaker 2: how cold it is. They're freaking out, and I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: it is going to be cold. I'm glad you've all
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  Speaker 2: asked prepare yourselves, but Jess, can I bring blankets? Then
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  Speaker 2: at one point I think somebody asked me or I
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  Speaker 2: just do it because I'm a jerk. They're like, what,
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  Speaker 2: let's just say somebody asked, like, what kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of see Yeah, because somebody is afraid of bears? Why
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  Speaker 4: are we keeping them anonymous?
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  Speaker 2: Because we're going to talk to him next episode? And
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  Speaker 2: here's how the story goes down. They ask what kind
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  Speaker 2: of animals we're going to see? I take a screenshot
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  Speaker 2: of the place that we're staying, like warnings for what
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  Speaker 2: animals will be around and after bears because there are
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  Speaker 2: bears there. It says they love a good tasty treat.
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  Speaker 2: The response that when I send this picture was this
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  Speaker 2: person said, am I a good tasty treat? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, at this point in my life, I
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  Speaker 2: want to have a little fun with this. So I said,
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  Speaker 2: you're only a tasty treat if you've had sweets or
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  Speaker 2: a Snickers bar within the last five days, then bears
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  Speaker 2: love you.
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  Speaker 4: You were being particularly particular because he said, you said
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  Speaker 4: a Snickers bar. So I was like, oh, maybe there's
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  Speaker 4: something about the nuts and caramel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was panic on that text thread. Panic panic.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one story we'll share more. The other side
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  Speaker 2: is I didn't get to say goodbye to Ashley. We
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  Speaker 2: won't talk about this next episode, and I don't know why,
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  Speaker 2: because we came down for brunch the next morning and
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  Speaker 2: I specifically asked, where's Ashley and Jared?
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  Speaker 3: I really want to see them before I leave.
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  Speaker 2: And we waited around, we had brunch, and then we
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  Speaker 2: left because you weren't there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because my flight was at nine.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering.
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  Speaker 2: Because then on the way home, Jessica goes, oh, Ashley
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  Speaker 2: and Jared are already on a flight, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know their flight was so early.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to leave at six thirty.
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  Speaker 3: It was poor planning on our part.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, so that's why you irish goodbye because you planned
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  Speaker 4: on saying us the next day. And not that I
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  Speaker 4: don't care, I was making but I was like making
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  Speaker 4: fun of you because I was like, Ben got too drunk.
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  Speaker 2: And he so I I had. I had two cocktails
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  Speaker 2: on the wedding night. Oh wow, I did not have
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  Speaker 2: to get put to bed like some No, I get
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  Speaker 2: you know this about me. Yeah, I get really socially exhausted.
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  Speaker 2: And at one point I was in a conversation with
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  Speaker 2: well because I go, go, go, and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, I was in a conversation with somebody that
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  Speaker 2: I really like, and I realized that like I wasn't listening,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't engaged, I was tired, and so I just
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  Speaker 2: told Jess, hey, you don't have to but like I know,
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  Speaker 2: my best self is gone now, like it's not coming
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  Speaker 2: back tonight and so nice. Instead of staying here and
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  Speaker 2: like fighting this, I had such a blast that I
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  Speaker 2: want to leave with a good memory of this wedding
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  Speaker 2: and not the fact that like I stayed up way
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  Speaker 2: later and I should have and I ended up being
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  Speaker 2: a jerk to somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I really respect that, because I feel like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of us get to that social exhaustion point, especially
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  Speaker 4: one you know, like the wedding is over a six
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  Speaker 4: hour but then you feel like it's rude to leave
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  Speaker 4: when you feel socially spent.
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  Speaker 2: I learned it from George Costanza. You leave on top
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  Speaker 2: when you leave at the peak of a party.
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  Speaker 4: My mom always says that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because for me, I wasn't trying to disrespecting and Kaylin,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to like we had given like it
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  Speaker 2: was all weekend. It was one hundred percent of our weekend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're around each other. And I thought my
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  Speaker 2: best self would be offered to them if like I
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  Speaker 2: was still my best self. Now, that might be selfish
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  Speaker 2: and you could probably argue to some selfishness and that.
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  Speaker 2: But I went back and it was it was nine thirty,
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  Speaker 2: like and the way you know we had Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: and I had a big night the night before.
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  Speaker 4: Well, so I kind of switched I when we were
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  Speaker 4: going to play games the night before on Friday night. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Jared and I had already planned. We're like, oh, around nine,
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  Speaker 4: we'll go to bed, but then like gay a game
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  Speaker 4: started at nine, and I was like, oh, no, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to lose myself. So we're like, okay, find the
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  Speaker 4: one game and then we gotta go up there because
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  Speaker 4: if we don't go retreat from this, then we'll be
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  Speaker 4: too spend for the next day. So we totally understand
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  Speaker 4: the balance and what my It's interesting that you say
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  Speaker 4: that you leave the party at peak, because my mom
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  Speaker 4: always taught me you have to like design your party
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  Speaker 4: to like you leave when you're having you want them
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  Speaker 4: to leave when they're having fun. So like whether the
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  Speaker 4: party like ends like an hour before, that's how That's
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  Speaker 4: how I felt like we were with our wedding where
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  Speaker 4: it was like I.
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  Speaker 3: Had a blast, and I will leave.
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  Speaker 2: I left the wedding and I woke up the next
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  Speaker 2: day and I was like, that was one of the
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  Speaker 2: most incredible.
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  Speaker 3: Weddings I've ever been to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I would have stayed another hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half, I think I would have woken up the
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  Speaker 2: next morning but like, I'm exhausted. That was a great wedding,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm so tired. But I didn't feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I love that social lesson that you just taught us.
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  Speaker 2: All. Yeah, it's just something I found out about myself
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  Speaker 2: that you know when it's time, and it was time
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 3: I gave it my all.
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  Speaker 2: We walked into the cabin that night and I said, Jessica,
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  Speaker 2: I gave it my all tonight. I had a blast,
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  Speaker 2: but I gave my all and my all is now gone.
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  Speaker 4: I have this Instagram reel that I'm going to post
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  Speaker 4: of you. It's like my work husband when he goes
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  Speaker 4: to wattings basically, and you'll see peek Ben Higgins and
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  Speaker 4: you'll see how much he exerted.
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  Speaker 3: I gave it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, final question before we get in the headlines, speaking
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  Speaker 2: of work spouses. I wondered this in a drive home.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to Jess about this.
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  Speaker 3: You and I.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny like at the wedding, I think
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  Speaker 2: we both made the joke. We talk to each other
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  Speaker 2: every week, multiple times. We see each other in person
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  Speaker 2: very rarely. But if there's if there's five people in
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  Speaker 2: my life that I know I think the most about
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  Speaker 2: what's currently going on in their life, it's you. Like
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  Speaker 2: you fall in that category because there's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: that like slip through the cracks with us. We just
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  Speaker 2: talk about stuff and we talk about it all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so when you see me at a wedding, and
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  Speaker 2: obviously we have a special relationship one that like I
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  Speaker 2: could probably embarrass you, you could probably embarrass me, But
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  Speaker 2: we're also very endearing towards each other.
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  Speaker 3: Are you proud of me?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Always?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good, I just want I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 4: I was proud of my Gosh, I'm always proud of you.
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  Speaker 2: It would be embarrassing if you're like, yeah, but like
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  Speaker 2: he's my codes but he kind of sucks and like just.
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  Speaker 3: Obligated.
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  Speaker 4: I'm always so in hout of you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good, Well, it was a lot of fun. We
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  Speaker 2: have a lot to talk about like that. I know
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  Speaker 2: that feels like we just talked about a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the wedding we did it, Like there's so much more
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  Speaker 2: to break down and like amazing stories and memories and becon.
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  Speaker 2: Tanya will be coming on this podcast, uh to record
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  Speaker 2: a separate episode where we go to the details of
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  Speaker 2: Dean and Kielan's wedding and.
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  Speaker 3: We'll just tease it with this.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. For me, it was one of the most special
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  Speaker 2: weekends I've had in my memory, just with people I
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  Speaker 2: love in one place together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I there's another wedding coming up that I
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  Speaker 4: feel like a couple of the same people will be
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  Speaker 4: real niged soon and it makes it made me feel
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  Speaker 4: good because I was having such a good time there.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, I hope that we can like
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  Speaker 4: kind of have this round all over again in a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we will, but just different, just different.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll going to Deana Caaln's wedding again. We
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  Speaker 2: got a very special episode for you. We are just
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  Speaker 2: on the heels of it. I mean, we just got
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  Speaker 2: home late last night from the wedding and so we
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  Speaker 2: are tired, but we are fresh with our memories. We
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  Speaker 2: do some big headlines to break down.
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  Speaker 4: Today's big, big, big big imagination.
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  Speaker 2: Some follow ups from past headlines, and here's one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Nations Becca Koufrem gives birth to first baby with
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Jacobs.
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  Speaker 4: Yay, we don't. We haven't seen the kid yet, but
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  Speaker 4: it happened, assuming it probably happened Secember twenty first and
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  Speaker 4: twenty second. People were speculating because both of their instagrams
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  Speaker 4: I got silent for two days and we haven't yees,
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  Speaker 4: so we haven't seen the baby. But what they did
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  Speaker 4: post was a cute picture of their front step. It
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  Speaker 4: says there's a sign that says baby sleeping, Please don't
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  Speaker 4: ruin this for us, and then there's another hanging that
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  Speaker 4: that's what the Matt says, which I'm like, hold on,
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  Speaker 4: I need to get one of those because there's so
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  Speaker 4: many times like the FedEx guy Amazon ips like ring
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  Speaker 4: the bell during the nap time and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 4: don't ron this for me. And then there's another sign
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  Speaker 4: that they had that goes baby sleeping. So then they
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  Speaker 4: both posted that, and then Thomas wrote on into stories
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  Speaker 4: soaking in all the love and snuggles for the time being,
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  Speaker 4: but we have a new little pumpkin. Thankful, blessed and
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  Speaker 4: beyond words, and like she she shared that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a I mean, there's gonna be so much
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  Speaker 2: more we talk about when it comes to this new
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  Speaker 2: life into the world. But I mean we both are
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  Speaker 2: so pumped for them because you know, I know Beca
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  Speaker 2: very well. I don't know Thomas as well, but like
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  Speaker 2: I know Beca well enough to see her transition in
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  Speaker 2: life and how happy she is and how confident she is,
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  Speaker 2: and how just excited I am to now have this
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  Speaker 2: new life in the world because of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, actually, at the time of this recording, right now,
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  Speaker 4: at two pm Eastern time, they posted a picture and
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  Speaker 4: revealed the name of their baby. It is Benson Lee
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  Speaker 4: Jacob's kufriin oh Di do we know this? So they
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  Speaker 4: were gonna do Jacob's Kufriin. I feel like I did
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  Speaker 4: hear this, So they're putting her last name as like
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  Speaker 4: the last last name Benson Lee. Jacob's Kufrein very cute
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  Speaker 4: and he was born on September twenty first. It's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be Benny for short. And ben Jsin is after the
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  Speaker 4: town where Becca's dad was born and raised. That's so sweet.
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  Speaker 4: And Lee is for Thomas's father who sacrifices so much
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  Speaker 4: for this country and others. And obviously, she says, Jacobs
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  Speaker 4: Kouferin is pretty self explainable, but we wanted both parts
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  Speaker 4: of us to make this little one hole.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait till that kid gets called bean, like I do,
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  Speaker 2: little Bean, a little bean well.
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  Speaker 4: Being author really cute pictures of them. He was born
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  Speaker 4: at seven forty five am on September twenty first, and
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  Speaker 4: he was eight pounds twenty one inches. He's we could
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  Speaker 4: barely see his face and the pictures it was so cute.
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  Speaker 4: Another Bachelor in Paradise.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 3: You talk.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about babies a lot this weekend, Like I
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  Speaker 2: feel like like the resident Yeah, you're the resident parents
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  Speaker 2: now of Bachelor Nation.
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  Speaker 4: It's really weird the way that conversation divides. Now when
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  Speaker 4: you have a group of millennials together that like the
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  Speaker 4: parents are always like, so, what stage you were in?
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  Speaker 4: And there are so many people Okay, so many. We
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  Speaker 4: were one of three couples that all had children within
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  Speaker 4: the same week of each other. Mm hmm is that great?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody talks about babies, and I do like talking about
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  Speaker 4: it with you guys, because I'd like to imagine you
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  Speaker 4: as parents, and we do like to I guess, like
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  Speaker 4: kind of prepare because I think we Jared and I
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  Speaker 4: like realistically prepare people. Yeah, but like a scary way,
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  Speaker 4: I hope.
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  Speaker 2: No, like a real way, a way that I always
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  Speaker 2: imagine parenting was gonna be. But like nobody's really willing
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  Speaker 2: to tell you it unless they feel comfortable enough with
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  Speaker 2: you and that they know you enough where you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to like panic out or get angry at them
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  Speaker 2: for being like, you know, no, it's great. Okay, weird
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  Speaker 2: transition here. I guess I know where you're going with this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how to transition, but I think parenting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor along Clayton Eckerd. Now, we we did highlight this
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  Speaker 2: on the on The Rachel.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I don't think the Rachel episodes out yet because
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  Speaker 4: we're saving that for Closer to Paradise, which is later
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  Speaker 4: this week. But you guys will get Rachel's insight because
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  Speaker 4: it was very much breaking news the day that we
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  Speaker 4: were interviewing Rachel.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was breaking news of me too, which.
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  Speaker 4: Made it even more fun. So here's the sitch. Clayton
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  Speaker 4: is in the midst of like a paternity debate, well
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  Speaker 4: a lawsuit, and it was filed in August, and it
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  Speaker 4: was filed by an expected mother who's actually expecting twins,
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  Speaker 4: and she's demanding a paternity test from Clayton. She's supposedly
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  Speaker 4: a thirty three year old podcast host from Scottsdale, Arizona,
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  Speaker 4: and doesn't he live in Scottsdale She wishes, even though
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  Speaker 4: she's a podcast so she wishes to remain anonymous. In
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  Speaker 4: the lawsuit, she claims that they engage in sexual activity
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  Speaker 4: on May twentieth in a one night stand. He talks
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  Speaker 4: to her as if it was somebody not safe, not
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  Speaker 4: a one night stand, but some of the he actually
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  Speaker 4: very much does not like who he knows and does
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  Speaker 4: not like, So she's dealing with these twins in February,
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  Speaker 4: and he has seemingly been putting off the paternity test,
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  Speaker 4: but now has agreed to it. So he posted on
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  Speaker 4: his Instagram story on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Let's pause here for a second, actually, because I think
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  Speaker 2: when they listened to the episode with Rachel, it was
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  Speaker 2: breaking news at the time. I was surprised, you were
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  Speaker 2: surprised Rachel was reacting to it in the way that
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  Speaker 2: you expect somebody as close to the situation as Rachel
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  Speaker 2: to react like she's obviously wishing every party the best
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  Speaker 2: case scenario here, whatever that means, and the truth to
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  Speaker 2: come out like that the truth is told, and that
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  Speaker 2: everybody's responsible for the truth that is highlighted in the shown.
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  Speaker 2: You and I, I think our reaction that I thought
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  Speaker 2: about a lot this week was this whole situation feels odd.
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  Speaker 2: It's obviously shocking news or or news that we haven't
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  Speaker 2: really ever.
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  Speaker 3: Had to break before on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we said, Okay, if Clayton is standing firm
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  Speaker 2: in the fact that these are not his kids, right
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  Speaker 2: because she's pregnant twins, Yeah, then why wouldn't he get
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  Speaker 2: the paternity test? That was our response to this was
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: nothing makes sense. On his side unless he gets a
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: paternity test. Now, yeah, that was before we knew that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: he has now gotten a paternity test. So I just
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: want to make that clear that the timeline of this,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: he's going to feel weird, Mark because at the time
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: we're like, he's still refusing or she's saying he's refusing
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to get in, but now we're sharing no, he has
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: gotten one because he posted on social media.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: And we're gonna still want to air the interview the
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: way it was conducted because it's just more interesting like
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: that to get the real raw reaction and into at
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: the time have this breaking news where he wasn't going
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: to get the petity test, so he got it on
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: or he posted that he got it on Thursday. He
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: had to pay seven hundred and twenty five dollars for it,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: and no clude.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: How much they cost it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I thought the initial interview, like the initial filing,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: that she was going to pay for it. But then
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm totally wrong. He shared an email I believe
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: between her and him saying thanks for the call. My
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: confusion has been cleared up. I will take my portion
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: of the test on September twenty seventh, So maybe The
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: bottom line here is it's all cryptic, honestly, But by
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: the end of September, both sides because she has to obviously,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I guess Take one two will be the tests will
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: be taken, and then the first week of October the
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: results will come back. Yeah, and so yeah, that's what
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: we got. But do you guys, I think I need
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to reread the quotes that he has been sending her.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And now, yes, there's screenshots between the two, and you
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: can fake screenshots very easily. But this is supposedly what
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Clayton is saying to this pregnant woman. I don't believe
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: you for a second. I legitimately hate you right now.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: You have lost your mind. And I hope you think
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: about how terrible this is that you would suggest me
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: to subject me to this. My person, this is my
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: personal hell. My personal hell would be having to be
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: part you being part of my life.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Now that's me.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: The rest I hate you, that's mean too, But the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: rest I can see where he'd be stressed out, like
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: if this is not true. Okay, so there's obviously two
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: scenarios here. Either he is the father or he's not
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the father. If he is not the father, I can
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: see where he'd be like, you understand how terrible this
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: is for me, Like it's stressful. He's obviously very anxious
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: about it. He's saying some very mean things to her
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: in the midst of this. But we don't know enough
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: about the story to know if he's just literally like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: please stop like harassing.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Now. If he is the father, he is the father.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: In this scenario, then he really needs to step up responsibility.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: He needs to apologize for the things that he said.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: We have more, we have another more here, yeah, that
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: she has posted on Reddit herself, and in the Reddit post,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: she claims that he told her these children if they
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: are mine, if they are mine, I would like you
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to get an abortion or I or if you decide
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: to have them, I will have no part of their lives.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Oh goodness, Now anybody could claim to be anyone on Reddit.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so if we don't know who
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: she is, if she's anonymous, based on this whole thing,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: how do we know that was her saying this?
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: We don't, which is this is like total hearsay.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm telling you right now, right this story only
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: becomes I think a story when we know the final
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: results because right now we don't know he's claiming one thing,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: she's claiming another. It was all so weird until he
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: decided to get the paternity test. Now that that's happened,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I think we can actually like have a real journalistic
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: story with a start and a conclusion and truth added
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into it, because right now it feels messy from both sides.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: If he is saying these things like, shame on him.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: If if that's the stuff he's doing now, if he
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is the father needs to step up, and or he.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Doesn't want to. He said I don't want to and
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: oh supposedly and this is a very unverified quote. Yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: so yes, we are just gossiping at this point.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So when will we know the results?
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We will know the results the first week of October,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: or at least they'll be in by then.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I I uh, yeah, I mean, I just I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: this is a story that we need to to really
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: pause on until we know how this plays out, because
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: then I think it illuminates once we know the truth
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: both sides, and it really shows us, Okay, who has
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: who has walked through this thing with truth, and who
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: has walked through this thing just because they made a
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: really bad mistake, who's lying, who's not, Like, we just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: don't know right now. All we know And I think
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: if we concluded this story is this is messy right
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: now and there's so much yet unknown. And I think Clayton,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: by his social media posts by saying yeah, the truth
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: will set you free or something like that, I remember,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: With these pictures.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I think he thought that everybody's gonna be like, oh, yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: he can't be the father because he's getting a paternity test.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think it did what he thought it was
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: going to do. I think people are still waiting on
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the results.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: To play Maury Povich right now. Ben, what do you
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: think the praternity test is going to say?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good question. I have no idea.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I cannot answer it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Answer for I can't. I can't Mary.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I I have a feeling he's a single dude. Like
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: my My thought would be it plays into the fact
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that he is involved in this more than he thinks
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: he is.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, so he's also claiming that he only had oral
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: sex with her.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: That's not how you make kids.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Just to make kids, how you make kids. So if
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I had to get if I had to bet my
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: morey call is that he's not the father, because why
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: would he even lie and say it was just oral?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Why would he even lie and say that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because then it's like we.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Caught him in a total lie, Like now he has
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the night totally not remembered correctly.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: This is just this is one of the This will
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: go down as a top ten most confusing headline that
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: we've had to share in the last you know, seven
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: or eight years of the show, because there's just so
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: much left unknown and it can and like, either way,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be bad, right, Like if he is the father,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he's not.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Looking better after this whole thing in any way.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: See, I think if he's not, then I think it's like, hey,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: who is this?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Like oh he's not the father, then it's just like
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: why would she do this? But no, but then like
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: she like spoke to a woman like this, But again,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: screenshots also are so unreliable, like you can change anybody's
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: name in your phone and you can text yourself that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: There's just so much we don't know, but we will
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: have more will continue to follow this story. It's obviously
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: very popular on social media and a lot of people
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: are sending their their thoughts on it, and I think
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that's that's what happens when you have a big story
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and you've been a part of Bachelor Nation, another big
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: story in Bachelor Nation, one that doesn't feel like it's ending.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You know, Remember we talked.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: About Kaitlyn and Jason, and it's like, hey, this is
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: ending in a in a split and it feels like, yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I know at this point, maybe it's a less of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: an endearing split as we first kind of covered because
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Kaitlyn came out and said, hey, Jason's not supporting her
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: well in this time or something. But the Daniel maltby
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Michael a split, it felt weird from the get cut, right,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: because she didn't know it was going to be announced
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and that she made that very clear.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Well, it was weird from the get because they didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: announce it and they've been broken up for over three
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: months and just decided to kind of ignore all the inquiry.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ignore it, right, And so then he does come
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: out and he says it. She it's unexpected to her.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: She uh then goes on her podcast and talks about
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a very small it's a very small piece of the show.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I know there's some questions that kind of get led
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: into it. But here's the headline. Bachelor of Paradise is
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: daniel Malby claims Michael a broke up with her one
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: day after her egg retrieval.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: There you go, so like that's the drama here, Well
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: it's also been. It's also come out this week, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Danielle was the one who said it that like it
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: was just not a amicable real split or like it
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: wasn't on her, like she did not want to break up,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and that the breakup came as a huge surprise. So
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: she says on her podcast that they went to New
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: York for the egg retrieval. Everything was so easy. He
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: came with her, He even gave her the retrieval shot
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: before she went to sleep, and we were having so
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: much fun, she said, everything was so sweet. She woke
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: up from the procedure, everything went well, Michael was there
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: with a Macho latte for her, and then she felt
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: very very blindsided. Understandably so when they got back to Cleveland,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: whether it was the next day or a couple days later,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: and he broke up with her, so obviously the timing
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: was like very very bad. To give Michael understanding in
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: this situation, I'm assuming what happened was just the fact
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: of Danielle not getting pregnant at this point, but like
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: freezing eggs and just thinking about children with her at
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: some point probably freaked him out because he probably didn't
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: see that much of a future with her and just
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: said that that would be the time that he had
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: to break up with her, because he's probably leading her
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: on at that point. I don't know though, but like
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: everything's bad, Like it's such a it's such a bad look.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you would hope your communication will be
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: very clear, especially when you're entering into these huge conversations
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: about family and next steps.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not defending him, by the way. I'm just saying
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: that I'm seeing that was his thought process.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's something that happened to him between
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: these two scenarios that made him.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Go, whoa that he had to do it so quickly
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: after I get not leading somebody on, but like, yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: come back from having basically surgery for your eggs for
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: your fertility future.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Well, the the details are still so non disclosed. I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: don't know if they ever will be. Daniel has said
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that she's not going to disclose details anymore. Than she
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: has because there are a kid and there is a
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: kid involved.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But it's it's uh.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: But my personal opinion is it's shocking that they split
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in the way that they did because watching them on
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Paradise and knowing their story and her move to Cleveland,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: which is a big move, huge move, I just thought
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: they were doing really well. I expected this to be
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: one that makes it so it is a paradise couple
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: that you would have said, hey, would you put your
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: money behind them make and obvious said yeah, no question.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And then it doesn't, and it ends like this, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: then it feels it feels weird, and it feels very
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: uncharacteristic of what we know about the two of them,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: right like we would have thought. I would have thought,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I guess that if they did break up, it would
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: be amicable. There would be some type of warning, some money, yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: just telling people so they stopped questioning it, and then
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: they would have both moved on peacefully and and you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: wish each other the best.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: It obviously ended poorly because there was.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: No announcement, like I'm assuming you don't make an announcement
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: when you are very obsessed to well.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: He also made the announcement on Jason's podcast, Like on
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: a whim. It wasn't planned, it wasn't talked too with her,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: she said. He said, because he did a Q and A, Like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: you probably wouldn't have seen this because you had no
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: service this weekend. Not that you like her on Instagram
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: as much as I am, either, but he did a
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Q and A about their breakup, which was like such
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: a bad look. Like Michael once, he like literally said, like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: here's a Q and A.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: So what were the details that he talked about?
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: He said that he felt it was fine to like
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: just come out and say that they had broken up
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: because she had just deleted all the pictures of them
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: together from Instagram. Okay, and mind be like you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: but like you'd still think that that was like something
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: that maybe you talked about and not just assumed and
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: like warned.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Unless they're not on speaking terms, yeah, I don't know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: tough Friday, unless you're on speaking terms, I don't know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I think it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It's just it's shockingly sad to me because I really
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: wanted them to to make it. I thought they both
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: made a very cute couple that understood each other. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: thought there was a lot of patients and understanding in
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: their relationship from what we saw on TV, and then
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I was shocked at the way it ended. I guess
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It just feels messier than
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I thought it would.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I wish I remember more things from his Q and A,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: because I did watch the whole thing, even though I
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: thought it was a very bad decision for him to
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: do that. It was one of those car accidents you
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: couldn't help but look at. He also said responded to
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: somebody who said, like, you need therapy, and he was like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I am in therapy, and like, ah bah, I.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Mean I yeah, there's so much here still that we
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: just don't know. And you know, I don't know me
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: either of them very well. I've talked to Michael more
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: than I've talked to Danielle, and I hope he is
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: getting surrounded by some good people right now, because you
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: don't want this to get uglier than it needs to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's all done now. Maybe they both said
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: their piece, it's public.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's most here now.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the big headlines of the day. Those are
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: some big ones. There are some doozies. Again, we're going
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to be breaking down Dean and Kaylan's wedding here and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: it will be released very shortly with two of our
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: favorite people, Tanya and Becka, who are both at the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: wedding as well. There'll be a separate episode where we
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: give all the dirty details of the weekend, all the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: funny stories, all the things that we did, all the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: esthetics that went into the weekend for Kaylin and Dean.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Kaylen planned a amazing wedding and we cannot wait to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: talk to you about it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: But until that episode, I've been Ben.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Ashley talked to you soon, like really soon. Bye.
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