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Feminist announces open season on male scientists | Rantzerker 220 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Buddy, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio, coming to you
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  Speaker 1: here with Karen and this is the ransirker. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna like set up a bunch of preamble. We're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna get into it. Let's get stuck in hit like
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  Speaker 1: for the stream so that more people might see it.
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  Speaker 1: We have a special I guess it's a request from
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  Speaker 1: one of our patrons maybe, but Alison took particular interest
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  Speaker 1: in it, so she's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you guys got to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially, the video we're gonna be talking about is
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  Speaker 1: entitled sexual Harassment and Assault in Astronomy and Physics.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a young lady here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I know, Well, Alison said, oh, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: Mike is an engineer, maybe you know you have some feedback.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna see what she has to say about this.
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  Speaker 3: I noticed the video is two hours long.
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  Speaker 1: We're not we're not even gonna dip our toes to
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  Speaker 1: that degree. So Allison sent me time codes and she
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  Speaker 1: wrote tons of notes.
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  Speaker 2: She's a hat.
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  Speaker 1: She even has an entire transcript of the video. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessary.
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  Speaker 2: We can jump. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But but the riverside makes transcripts for you, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like she sat there, you know, like fucking Alan
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  Speaker 1: Turing and did like yeah, no, no no, so uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we have I have time codes. I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to a couple of things of note that Alison
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  Speaker 1: brought up, and we will like.
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  Speaker 2: Just we'll just look at some of her statements.
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  Speaker 1: But essentially she has three She talks about how there's
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  Speaker 1: a dangerous culture of sexual predation on women in the
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  Speaker 1: field physics and the stem fields based the stem fields
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  Speaker 1: in general, I suppose, and she brings to to make
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  Speaker 1: her case. She has three anecdotes of our three stories
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  Speaker 1: that she talks about.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna like take a look at these.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with an introduction first of all, before we
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  Speaker 1: And it hasn't started yet, but I think Allison is
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  Speaker 1: starting a fundraiser for a meetup we're gonna do in Calgary,
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  Speaker 1: Alberta or like in that thereabouts at the actual place
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  Speaker 1: where Alison was kicked out of the expo, and if
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  Speaker 1: you remember correctly, we all were hanging out.
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  Speaker 2: We were hanging out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Alan Karen had to step away where actually where
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  Speaker 1: we did.
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  Speaker 3: Our first meeting because he's like stomping back and forth
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  Speaker 3: in his underpants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah sure, he's daring you, which.
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  Speaker 3: Could sexual harassment in the engineering Yeah yep, no for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, there's there will be be be a lookout
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  Speaker 1: for the fundraiser for that. But without further ado, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into the video. So I guess I play a
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  Speaker 1: little intro. I don't know if I really need to
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  Speaker 1: do this. Let me see. I will go to Allison's note.
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  Speaker 1: She asked me to read something first. Uh, so the summary.
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  Speaker 1: So the conversation focuses on the hearing I just put
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  Speaker 1: the camera on me. The conversation focus focuses on the
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  Speaker 1: issue of serial sexual harassment and assault in the field
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  Speaker 1: of astronomy. The speaker shares personal experiences and discusses the
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  Speaker 1: general acceptance of such behavior within the community. Three principle
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  Speaker 1: themes emerge. The pressure to publish as early as an
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  Speaker 1: early career researcher, the prevalence of sexual harassment and assault
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  Speaker 1: in astronomy, and the lack of consequences for perpetrators. The
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  Speaker 1: conversation highlights specific areas of harassment and the failure of
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  Speaker 1: institutions to address the issue effectively. The speaker questions the
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  Speaker 1: hiring practices of universities and the prioritization of scientific achievements
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  Speaker 1: over the well being of victims. The conversation discusses the
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  Speaker 1: response to the sexual harassment allegations against Jeff Marcy, a
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  Speaker 1: prominent astronomer. It explores the flaws in the Nobel Prize
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  Speaker 1: selection process and the controversy surrounding Marcy's award. It also
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  Speaker 1: delves into the timeline of Marcie's harassment, the open street
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  Speaker 1: secret nature of his behavior and the lack of consequences
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  Speaker 1: that he faced. So anyway, let's get into the first
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  Speaker 1: time code. I'll just start from the beginning and then
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  Speaker 1: I will that'll may hopefully set up, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the setting, and then we'll get into the world.
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  Speaker 2: She gets into the details of her of her things.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to start by playing some of the video.
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  Speaker 4: I attended ees online and I gave a talk in
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  Speaker 4: the DEI section about being a first generation graduate student.
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  Speaker 5: And later on in the panel, we were asked a
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  Speaker 5: question that was like, what's the most stressful thing about
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  Speaker 5: being an early career researcher?
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  Speaker 3: Can can you turn up the volume on this video?
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  Speaker 1: Is it too low? I can turn out a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. She's she's pretty spots soft spoken. What actually
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  Speaker 1: I want to say. There's something that she said right
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning that I don't think Alison caught.
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  Speaker 2: She let me just go back.
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  Speaker 1: I'll play it just the first couple of seconds, and
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  Speaker 1: I heard it right away, So let me play this.
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  Speaker 4: Over the summer, I attended ees online and I gave
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  Speaker 4: a talk in the DEI section about being a frist
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  Speaker 4: generation graduate student.
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  Speaker 2: The de I section the DEI section, so that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Allison doesn't know what DEI is. I know
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  Speaker 1: that she doesn't like too plugged in on things, but
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  Speaker 1: that's like a massive red flag she has to know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but did she not catch that? Because like, that's that
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  Speaker 1: is pretty much that's the mother load of this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing I was sinking. Yeah, well to me, yeah, huge
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  Speaker 1: red flag. All right, So let me let me see,
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  Speaker 1: let me jump to where she actually makes the allegation.
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  Speaker 1: So let's jump to Allison says that she starts detailing
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  Speaker 1: this woman essentially wants to unpersoned men accuse of sexual
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  Speaker 1: harassment in academia, remove their credit for their work, stop
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  Speaker 1: citing them, and exile them from their careers. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not even about criminal prosecution. It's about reputation destruction. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's another red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Well okay, but okay, So even if you have a
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  Speaker 3: serial philander, like a like a lothario, a freaking Marquis
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  Speaker 3: du Sade like floating around in the realm of astrology,
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  Speaker 3: what does that have to do with his actual fucking
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  Speaker 3: work product? Right? Like, why would you not cite his
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  Speaker 3: work if his work is competent and accurate? Like this
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  Speaker 3: is like they want to turn every single scientific field
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  Speaker 3: into a club, not a career, not a search for discovering,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how the universe works and how things happen
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  Speaker 3: within it. Right, it's not about the biology. It's not
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  Speaker 3: about the astronomy. It's not about the freaking quantum physics.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about any of that. It's not about the
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  Speaker 3: actual whether the bridge will stand up or the bridge
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  Speaker 3: will fall down. It's about whether he behaved properly every
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  Speaker 3: fucking moment during his career, right, That's what it's about.
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  Speaker 3: And if if he did not do that, if he
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  Speaker 3: offended one woman, if he crossed a boundary, a social
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  Speaker 3: boundary a single fucking time, okay, his entire body of work,
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  Speaker 3: his entire body, he could have cured cancer. Well we
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  Speaker 3: just have to fucking been that shit because he's sexually
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  Speaker 3: harassed a lab assistant.
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  Speaker 2: Like what yeah, yeah, and oh you know, in related.
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  Speaker 3: News, we haven't even been the discoveries that the Nazis
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  Speaker 3: made when they were experimenting on concentration camp victims, right,
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  Speaker 3: when they were experimenting on Jews and Roma and freaking
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  Speaker 3: prisoners of war and the mentally and enfeebled right and
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  Speaker 3: all of these people right when they were We didn't
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  Speaker 3: bin that research, We said it was unethical for them
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  Speaker 3: to have done that research. But they found some shit
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  Speaker 3: out right, and we're not gonna ben what they found
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  Speaker 3: out just because it was like, this isn't a freaking
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  Speaker 3: court of law where the fruit of the poison tree
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  Speaker 3: means someone who's died in the wool fucking guilty of
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  Speaker 3: committing some kind of horrible felony, right gets to walk
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  Speaker 3: free because that the warrant, the search warrant, wasn't properly obtained. Right,
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  Speaker 3: That's not what this is. This is science. This isn't law.
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  Speaker 3: This is science, right, And you don't just throw away results.
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  Speaker 3: You don't just say, oh well, we're just gonna block
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  Speaker 3: any citations to that guy's work, regardless of how valid
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  Speaker 3: it is. Right because he offended some freaking damsel and
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  Speaker 3: she complained to her superiors, Right because he has a
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  Speaker 3: reputation for being like a sexual predator. Whatever. You don't
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  Speaker 3: do that, right, you don't. This is This is not law.
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  Speaker 3: This is not religion. This is not morality. This is science.
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  Speaker 3: And science is supposed to be about the science, not
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  Speaker 3: about the personalities, not about the freaking alleged wrongdoings or
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  Speaker 3: you know, alleged you know, moral rectitude of the scientists involved. Right,
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  Speaker 3: does the research make sense? Do the results make sense?
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  Speaker 3: Are they replicatable? If they are, yeah, you don't throw
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  Speaker 3: that away because you don't like how the guy behaves
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  Speaker 3: socially like and this is what she's suggesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, I mean, that's what it seems like. Let's
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  Speaker 1: see what she says as she starts.
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  Speaker 3: Like Earth and you know, and all of that shit,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, I'm sure Copernicus wasn't exactly like the
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  Speaker 3: most upstanding freaking dude in the fourteenth century, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we should just throw everything away, throw it all away.
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  Speaker 2: Throw a woman is uncomfortable, so yeah, I mean it
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  Speaker 2: all has to go.
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  Speaker 3: Burn the constitution, No, thousands of years of scientific discovery
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  Speaker 3: away because the people who made those discoveries were not
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  Speaker 3: morally perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: In related news regarding this, a similar subject, e Gen
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  Speaker 1: Carroll is trending on Twitter X.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently Trumpet filed an appeal or something because of her allegations,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, I'm not suggesting that allegations are a quick
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  Speaker 1: and dirty way to get you know, rise up and
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  Speaker 1: level up in your career, or make some money, or
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  Speaker 1: just destroy somebody out of fight.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't get awarded eighty three million dollars. She didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Egen Carroll didn't get awarded eighty three million dollars by
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  Speaker 3: an incredibly biased court within an incredibly biased district of
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  Speaker 3: a city, right she she didn't get that based on
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  Speaker 3: lawsuit that was funded by Trump's political opponents, right. Well,
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  Speaker 3: And and there wasn't any instance of the judge basically saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: you can't you can't bring this evidence in. That would
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  Speaker 3: be you say, is exculpatory because it's too late? Now? Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's lovely, it's it's this is where we're at.
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  Speaker 3: And this is why, this is why I wish science was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like science is supposed to be beyond all
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  Speaker 3: of those things, right, it's supposed to ignore those considerations, right,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, doing science, doing research, doing experiments, right,
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  Speaker 3: those should all have ethical and moral and legal implications
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  Speaker 3: before you do them. Right. But but what you learn
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  Speaker 3: from research, it's either correct or it's not, yep, right,
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  Speaker 3: And if it's correct, it stands, and it should be cited.
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  Speaker 3: Including Joseph Mengele's experiments.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's let's listen to her set her detail,
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  Speaker 1: her idea. So I'm gonna uncheck these for a second.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's gonna take, but this
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  Speaker 1: is what Alison picked out.
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  Speaker 5: Done anything that would go against this ethics statement because
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  Speaker 5: a trend I noticed is that these people often leave
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  Speaker 5: universities and they just go to a new university at
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  Speaker 5: a con sleet. And because layers of recommendation there's so
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  Speaker 5: important in job applications, I have to assume that who's
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  Speaker 5: ever writing these letters is just completely ignoring this. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe instead we need to prompt them to discuss this
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  Speaker 5: with the hiring committee. Maybe someone will still get hired.
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  Speaker 5: Like maybe you can be like, yes, there was a
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  Speaker 5: Title nine complaints four years ago, it was resulved. He's
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  Speaker 5: not done anything since then, and the hiring committee can
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  Speaker 5: decide what they want to do with that information.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. You know what's hilarious is I was just watching
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  Speaker 3: a video where someone was saying that you know, someone's
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  Speaker 3: talking about a small business woman, right, you know, she's
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  Speaker 3: got a business with fewer than five hundred employees, right,
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  Speaker 3: and she says she goes out of her way to
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  Speaker 3: avoid hiring anyone who buys into the woke stuff. Right. So,
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  Speaker 3: and then when she does accidentally hire someone who's woke, right,
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  Speaker 3: she gives them a glowing recommendation based on their wokeness
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  Speaker 3: to their next employer.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah no, because because.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, no, if you want to stop, if
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  Speaker 3: you want to stop the woke thing from spreading, right, well,
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  Speaker 3: you you try and keep it out of your own house.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you have a bunch of competitive competition companies,
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  Speaker 3: right who are buying into the woke thing, just feed
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  Speaker 3: them more of what they want, right, just give the
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  Speaker 3: glowing recommendation. Oh yeah, no, she was super woke and
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  Speaker 3: uh and you should hire her. And it's like this
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  Speaker 3: this has been when it comes to references and things
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  Speaker 3: like that. This has always been a thing, right, not
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  Speaker 3: just with with wokeness or with sexual misconduct or or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: If you have somebody that you are commit, you're as
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  Speaker 3: an employee, you're committed to keeping them, right, You're committed
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  Speaker 3: to keeping them. It's cheaper to keep keep you. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: they say that they would like a reference for a
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  Speaker 3: new job, You're just like, oh, yeah, no, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to say that you're the greatest things in sliced bread, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then they're going to give you the job, and
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  Speaker 3: then you're out of.
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  Speaker 2: My fucking hair. Yeah right, Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: If my husband, because he's got one toxic co worker.
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  Speaker 3: Who is I mean? And he's so toxic he's caused
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  Speaker 3: two people to quit a union job. Mm hmm okay,
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  Speaker 3: a union job that pays a buck thirty a year,
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  Speaker 3: so one hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year, right
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  Speaker 3: in a market where if you work for a I
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  Speaker 3: have a company, you're making about ninety five okay, and
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  Speaker 3: you got no job security okay. And these people found
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  Speaker 3: this guy so toxic, so intolerable that they quit, They
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  Speaker 3: quit this freakin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Karen, you dropped. Wait what happened? Karen?
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  Speaker 1: Disconnected? You might come right back, hopefully we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Put in the chat said real quick to find woke.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell you right now. Yeah, critical consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: We're not just calling things woke without knowing what it is.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing this for ten years. Don't at me. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: where's Karen. Let's wait and see if she gets back.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I will play some of this video so let's
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  Speaker 1: get back to this while I wait for Karen to
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  Speaker 1: come back. Here we go let me just uncheck these
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  Speaker 1: things and I will go here and listen.
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  Speaker 5: To That person is christianat Oh. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 5: their names, but none of the names of the victims,
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  Speaker 5: just because I don't think that their lives should be
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  Speaker 5: associated with the terrible things that people did to them.
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  Speaker 5: But christianot is at Celtic. When I've printed it out,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to read it without comment, hopefully on
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  Speaker 5: what was done. So it's twenty thirteen hot fire as
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  Speaker 5: the first year graduate student he had been working with
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  Speaker 5: because he couldn't emotionally deal with her anymore. His group
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  Speaker 5: was talking a lot on Skype and I presume slack
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  Speaker 5: and emails and so all of the transcripts these documents
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  Speaker 5: were given to the Title Line office and then publish.
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  Speaker 1: All right, She's going to go into a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an anecdote. Karen hasn't come back yet. She should, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: probably just a connection issue or something, so I would
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  Speaker 1: just have to wait and see if she comes back.
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to say, like, I haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: this bit, so I'm gonna be like making a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a I'm going with my instincts here, my gut,
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  Speaker 1: and my personal experience, so that I've seen one thing
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  Speaker 1: that I've seen a lot, let me see if maybe
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  Speaker 1: Karen's trying to email me or something. One thing I've
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot is that ever since the Me Too
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  Speaker 1: movement was starting to pick up steam around twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: imanists have been using allegations not to imprison anyone, although
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they if they did become in prisoned as a result,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that was kind of like a bonus, but essentially to
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  Speaker 1: maneuver themselves career wives, to put themselves in positions. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things that I started to see this in
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  Speaker 1: first was in.
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  Speaker 2: The animation industry.
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  Speaker 1: I did a whole thing about the animation industry and
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  Speaker 1: all of the ways that activists work with unions to
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  Speaker 1: essentially make allegations to take men out of the animation
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  Speaker 1: industry and then bring women in. And I know, the
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  Speaker 1: animation industry seems like a small, maybe like inconsequential place,
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  Speaker 1: but it's.
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  Speaker 2: About the practice.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about where it happens, and the practice is
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  Speaker 1: happening everywhere, so it's in it's in schools, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: it started in schools, maybe That's where it began, because
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the schools, there's there are very
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  Speaker 1: few men that are teachers. Maybe there are coaches, maybe
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  Speaker 1: there are some that are shop teachers, maybe some in
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  Speaker 1: the you know, at the faculty level like principles, but
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  Speaker 1: as far as like actually working with the children, very few.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of it has to do with this.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of stigma that we have about men being around children.
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  Speaker 2: Kat Karen's giving the silent treatment. I might have to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: like send her a message, but.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Anyway, what I'm going to say to sum it up
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: is what I think is happening here is this woman
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is she's not making criminal allegations, but she is saying, Oh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: these guys are doing bad things. Maybe they shouldn't work
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: here anymore. Maybe schools should know because they can just
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like get you know, get this allegation, get expelled or
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: lose a job or something like that, lose their tenure,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and then they go to another state and they start
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: over again. She's basically saying that shouldn't be allowed. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this is cases by the way that again they don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: become criminal, they don't go to like the cops, they're done,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they're handled within Oh, Karen, you're back.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: They're handled within the school. I'm back.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: You disappeared, No, no, I'm still streaming for fuck's sake.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sorry. You just dropped suddenly. I don't know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I don't. I don't think it's
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a me thing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: But well, maybe the video and you disappeared and it
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: was just me.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So you were just in the the call by yourself. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that's weird.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it. That might be a video
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: ninja thing. This was designed by like one guy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I was just talking about because I played a little
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: bit of the video while you were gone, and she
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is basically like bringing up this guy named Christian out
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and essentially he was, you know, said some things in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: emails and like private chats so not even really in person,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: made women uncomfortable.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And she's basically like saying.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: That that something should be done about it. And I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was just talking about how I've noticed this pattern of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: activists working with union groups that are specifically woke.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Which I don't have a problem saying, because that's what
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it means.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And they want to give, you know, like they want
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to prioritize the careers of some people, the people that
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: they stand to cherish or promote, and then they they oust.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The straight, white male, pale and stale people that are
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: already there.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And I was saying that this happened for sure in
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the animation industry and in others.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Surprised if that was this, because why would a woman
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: make allegations, not go to police, but insist that these
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: men lose their jobs or lose their titles or are
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: essentially have their careers ruined.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And then what who fills the void? You know?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what's going on, but I haven't
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: seen enough. I was just speculating, Well, no.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I think you you're onto something there, right, because you know, like, honestly,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: if all it takes in the corporate world is a
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: vague allegation right to get rid of somebody, and then
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you know, you step in and get their job, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and it might not be somebody who's like, okay, can
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you not well, why don't you take the whole thing?
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Jesus Sorry, I'm just sorry spearing the audience from the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: sight of my husband in his underwear. No, if you
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: if you have a situation where and it's not even
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: necessarily that the guy is sexual harasser or whatever. He
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: might just be somebody who's annoying. He might just be
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: somebody who's.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, well, what about like these guys that are
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in like that are in these kind of fields are
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: probably pretty introverted awkward.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Right Well sure, sure, and yeah, no introverted, awkward, autistic.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: But you know, when you look at it from my
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: husband's standpoint, right, like with his toxic co worker, the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: guy does guy does nothing but obstruct the performance of work.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: That's like, that's his mission in life is obstruct work
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: from happening. And it frustrates everybody. It frustrates his manager,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: it frustrates the other three team members, frustrates all of
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the managers and the other departments. Right, it frustrates everybody. Right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: He's never actually been accused of anything sexual. And I'm
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: starting to think that, you know, if I were a
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: woman who was being obstructed in my work by this person,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: it would be very easy to make an allegation and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: get him the hell out.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Or maybe you just want his job, or maybe you
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: just want all your friends to work where you work,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, and so you get this guy fired
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and then you know, or the or multiple men.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is what happened.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Like I said, at animation, there were all these studios
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and they were mostly occupied and run by men. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: then the a bunch of women in animation, backed by
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a union called the Women in Animation, they made like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: an open letter, had all these like females sign it,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and then they were like, yeah, here's the scope of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the problem.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: And then suddenly a bunch.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Of guys lost their jobs or they were just silently
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: pushed out because you know, you can't like depending on
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: what the laws of your state, like some are at will,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: some are not, but they just push these guys out
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and then they just replaced them with all these all
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: these women who all know each other and they're like, hey,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: we are all working in the same place now, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: then those companies go to shit. But yeah, I mean
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that's what I've seen it happen. Talk to people about it,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and so I think that that's kind of what's happening
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: at least what this woman is pushing for. And it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: goes to your point, you know, like why should we
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: care about science when a woman is like uncomfortable, Let's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just let it all burn you know. So anyway, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: got I got a couple of super childs. I want
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to read them really quick and then I'll go to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: another T time code. So Richard Pierre gives the five
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: bucks and says, I have heard that in certain religious laws. Wait,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I have heard that in certain I'm just gonna read
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it as is written, Okay, in certain religious laws that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: depriving someone of the ability to earn a living would
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: be considered a form of murder. A counter argument would
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: be that the person could always find the other means
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: of employment.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Though, well, it depends on whether the entire job market
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: has been overtaken by DEI and whether you carry a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: reputation with you to your next job interview.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I did an interview with some guys in
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the that were in the military and they were facing
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: false allegations, and they have horror stories of guys that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, like aside from the guys that just get
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: thrown in jail or they're the military courts deal with
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it and they keep it in house because they don't want,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like anyone to know that this is going on,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and so they sort of like they essentially just send
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: them on to like the punishment. But even if those
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: things don't happen, you get on a list and it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: nearly impossible for you to find a job. So depending
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on what it is you're accused of wrote, and it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't even matter if you're like even if like, there
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: are guys who have been cleared of all charges, not
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: found guilty of anything, and there are still companies that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we can't take the risk, we can't
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: hire you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Well, Gordon Smith, like this this was I don't know
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: if you remember Gordon Smith, but his wife, Tiffany, Tiffany Smith,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: she accused him thirteen times, and I think I remember
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: that times. Yeah, on those thirteen accusations, arrested and jailed
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: and questioned and all of that, and he always had
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: receipts to show that he was not anywhere near her,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and then she just kept changing her still, right, But
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I think he was like in Vermont or something like that, right,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And it was a place a state where employers when
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: they do a criminal background check, they don't just get
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: your conviction record, they get your arrest record as well.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And he had thirteen arrests for sexual assault and spousal violence,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: and so he couldn't get a job, right, because every
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: employer would do a criminal background check and could see
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: his arrest record, right, And every single time that her
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: he was able to prove that her allegation was just
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: as false as the last one. They would talk to her,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: and then she would just be like, oh, I must
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: have misremembered the day, right, And the only reason she
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: was ever caught was because she actually punched herself in
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the face, hey, a bunch of times in an alley
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: and roughed herself up on the bricks of the walls
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: in that alley, okay, and then walked a block to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: an emergency room and said, I was just assaulted by my.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Ex husband, my god.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, so it had to have happened
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: within the last twenty minutes, okay, Right. It wasn't just like, oh,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: this was sometime last month, though I must have misremembered
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the date. Now, It was like it literally just happened, okay.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And he I recognized him. He wasn't wearing a ski mask,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: he wasn't you know, he wasn't concealing he It was him, okay.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: And because of his previous thirteen arrests, right, And he
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: was never charged with anything. Okay, never, They never pressed
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: charges because he was always able to prove that he
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: was nowhere near her at the time. Right. They made
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: him wear an ankle monitor.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe they did.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Did that to try and help him out. Right him,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: His ankle monitor showed him like five miles away when
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: this thing that just happened minutes ago allegedly happened. Right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and you know what he got out of that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Instation?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Rights for his kids.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, man, that is crazy. All right, let's get
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to another I got more things to read, So I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: got another super chow from rich Sierre. He gives us
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: by bucks and says, in order to see Karen's husband
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in his underwear, you have to be a subscriber to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: his OnlyFans page, as the it's behind the paywall content
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: can't be shown on the free to public view streams.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that, really hilarious.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And then Nova fan twenty one gives us a dollar
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and says, having there been Western scientists who got canceled
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: by feminists and then got to got work in China,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: she not realized she's also fueling the backlash of men
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: refusing to associate and help women. If she doesn't care,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: because you can create a climate where men don't want
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to be around women, and then you can blame those men.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You can accuse them of not liking women because they
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to work around them.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It's like a super abusive situation. But not much can
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: be done about that. All right, well, thank you? Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: One second? All right? For some reason, why is your
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: camera not showing up?
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: There it is? There it is?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, No, I'm I'm having problems and I don't.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Is it your internet?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's not the internet per se. It might be
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: my actual Uh is.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Your computer getting really hot?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: No? Okay, all right, but I just loosed a couple
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: of tabs.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So maybe it's just running too many things in Space
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Marine two.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's see. Let's see, let's see. So the
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: next bit is, uh, I'm gonna turn this off. I
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: think I don't think I need to use the auto
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: seed switcher here.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to the next time code where
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: she's talking about this guy named Christian ot. So that's
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the bit that I'm I want to I want you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to listen to. This is her anecdote. So I'm gonna
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: switch sources and play.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: It unociated with the terrible things that people did to them.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: But christianot is at Caltech. I've printed it out. I'm
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: just going to read it without comments, hopefully on what
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: was done. So it's twenty thirteen. Hot fire as the
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: first year graduate student he had been working with because
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: he couldn't emotionally deal with her anymore. His group was
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: talking a lot on Skype and I presume Slack and
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: emails and so all of the transcripts these documents were
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: given to the Title Line Office and then publishing the
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Title Ment Report. So here's a quote messaged her five
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: days after firing her. Of all my students, I cared
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: most about you, and I failed in the worst way.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: My problem is that I don't want to be in
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: a power position, but I actually am. So later, he's
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: having a conversation with another one of his graduate students,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: also a female. I'm gonna call her Student B, and
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: he's talking about student A, and he said he fired
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: student A because she was using her sexual influence over
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: him to not do work. Then Aunt tells student yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: he fired her because he was in love with her.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: It's twenty fourteen, I sayed, early tenure after only five
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: years of employment. Twenty fourteen, it's reported that autist continually
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: getting drunk and messaging his students sit very late into
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: the night and saying inappropriate things. He keeps messaging students
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: be and discussing how he's still in love with student A.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: He also details a previous relationship that he's had the student.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Okay again, I don't know how much of this is
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: even true, but I'll just read a summary of like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: what happened. So the article, the article she's reading from
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: indicates a Christian at losses suit accusing two of his
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: colleagues of defamation as a result of the loss of
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: his job.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: At the University of Stockholm. In the ruling, the two
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: district judges told.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Or said Resinan had improperly used the word sexual harassment
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: in three social media posts describing Caltech's finding against Aught,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but the error didn't constitute defamation, they said, because there
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: was no malicious intent and because Resinan, I think that's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: one of the women that with the accusers, stopped using
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the phrase in which was included in several news stories,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: once he learned it was incorrect. So the court says
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: they corrected their misuse of the term sexual harassment, which
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: means couldn't have been charged with harassment by cal Tech.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So there is a suggested but not confirmed.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Issue here, I guess.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Then she says, I guess, I guess to make it
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: seem like he could hire women without sexually harassing them
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: until he fired them. Technically, it's not saying cal Tech
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: found sexual harassment, but she's smearing him with his implication. Nonetheless,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: so a kangaroo court could not find him guilty or
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: did not find him guilty of sexual harassment, and yet
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: he was dropped out of the field completely regardless.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, So.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, this reminds me of what Tim Tim hunt right with.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The no no, no, no, no. He's there a guy, yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was just like the problem with women
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: in the lab is you know, you fall in love
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: with them. And he was talking about his wife, who
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: he met when she was I think she was a
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: research assistant of his or something like. He was just like, no,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: women are are women in STEM are like they're valuable?
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And I would agree that, you know, like there are
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: women in STEM who are geared towards the I guess
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: sort of the atmosphere that's already been set in stem,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: which is kind of autistic, right, Yeah, and there are
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: there are women who feel really comfortable there, and you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: like essentially you have a situation where you know, and
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I think I put it this way when there was
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: like some I was participating in a TV Ontario The
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Agenda with Steve paikin episode right where there was tech evangelist.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: You know a woman who looks and is completely neurotypical,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: and she founded a company representing women in tech and
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: promoting women in tech, right, and and her entire rhetoric
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: boiled down to women walking into a room full of
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: men in wheelchairs and saying they're made uncomfortable by the wheelchairs.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Do something about it, right, Like it's like, okay, are
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: we for neurodiversity or not for it? Right? Because men
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: in tech right, Men in tech tend to be on
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the spectrum, which means they tend to have They tend
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: to be lacking somewhat in social skills charm, you could
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: call it. They're not charismatic, and they often don't consider
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: other people's feelings. Their focus is on the work, right,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Their focus is entirely on the work, and your feelings
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: are immaterial. To that. Often these men are vulnerable to
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: falling in love with women who are manipulative and able
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: to lead them down a garden path. And I can
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: give you a prime example. This one a world renowned
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: cancer researcher, right, yeah, you know, and he married his
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I guess she was his college sweetheart. So they both
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: went to college. And then he went to med school
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: and he got a PhD and became, you know, a
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: research on cologist, and he taught at universities and he
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: did cancer research in the lab and all of this stuff, right,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And she just never got a job. She graduated from
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: university and never got a job. And it was eight
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: years before they even had their first kid, and she
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: never had a job after they were married. Then his
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: daily routine was he would he would get up in
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the morning, he would walk his kids to school, right
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: his two kids to school, and then he would walk
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: to the train station and then he would take a
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: ninety minute train ride to the train station where in
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the city where he worked, and then he would get
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: on his bike and he would cycle to the lab
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and then he would work eight to ten hours and
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: then he would get back on the train for ninety
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: minutes and go home and tuck his kids into bed. Meanwhile,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: she hasn't had a job the entire time they were married.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: And then she comes to him and says, and he's
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: telling me this, and he's like, I can't believe I
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: was this stupid, right, he says. She comes to him
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and says it's not fair that she has to do
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: all of the housework in childcare, and that it would
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: only be fair if he did half the housework in
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: childcare and also his own laundry.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he said, and there I was an idiot, right, Like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I'm an idiot. I took her at her word. I
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: thought she was coming at this in good faith, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I thought I'd give it a try. And I tried
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: for two weeks, and then I finally had to say,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I can't do this. I can't. There's just not enough
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: hours in the day for me to do this. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: then during that period when he was trying to do that,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: he blew up at his boss and got himself shit canned.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, no, but he found another position in
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: another country. Well it wasn't enough, right, because he was like, well, okay,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: you know, like I can take this position it's a
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: one year contract. And so let's look at rental places.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And she's like, Oh, we're not going to rent. We're
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: not going to rent, We're going to buy, and we're
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: going to buy in a nice neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah, And
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and then so he gets locked into he buys a
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: five hundred and fifty thousand dollars house. Okay, and he
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't drive. Okay, he doesn't have a driver's license because
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: he just never bothered learning. He was too busy curing cancer.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, no, and so yeah, but she needs a car, right,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: and so and but she's not going to get a
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: used car, and she's not going to get like some
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: crab based base model writer Akia Forte. Right, No, she
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: wants a Rav four, brand new, right, So he buys
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: her a RAV four. So he's on the hook. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: her name's on the title of both of these properties,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: but not on the loans because she has no income.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Right, So she owns half the house and she owns
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: half the car, but he just owns one of the debt. Right.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: And then Okay, they haven't.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Even gotten divorced yet at this point, and yet he's already.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: He's already got half yeah, they're still married at this point, right,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: And then Okay, he goes into the den while she's
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: on the computer and he sees that she's chatting with someone,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: an old flame from high school, and he's like, is
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: there anything I need to be worried about. She's like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, no no, no, absolutely not
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: right yeah, and he believes her because he's a fucking autist, right,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and my god, So then three weeks later, she packs
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: up the kids and moves herself and them back to
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: their home country, okay, so that she can hook up
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: with this old flame from high school. And she's left
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: him holding the whole bag, a car he doesn't drive
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: that he still owns owes money on right, and a
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: house that she insisted that they buy, Okay, that she
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: insisted that they buy and without even looking at it,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: just by the realtor's recommendation. You know what that house was.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: That was a gay couple's house. And you know how
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I know there were wall to wall mirrors in every
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: room so they can launch themselves fucking in every single room.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: It was it like this was a house that you
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: no one would buy it unless they'd never seen it, right,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: unless they'd never seen me inside of it, right, And
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: but she insisted in five hundred and fifty dollars, right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: And and he's like, I can't unload this house. Right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: When I sell the car, I'm gonna lose three thousand
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: minimum on it, right, And that's all on me. Right,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: she gets the the full value of the half of
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: the value of the car when we bought it, right,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I just get to eat the entirety of the loss. Right.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: And and I'm just like Jesus fuck like and and
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: he's just like, but she just seems so sincere. Yep,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and this bitch here, she seems really sincere. I don't
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: know if I'm buying it. I don't know if I'm
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: buying any of it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's all I could. That's all I add to that.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Like it's exactly it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, she you know, so she has pained expression
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: like this is hard for her to do, but it's
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: not really like I yeah, like yeah no.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: And her outfit is very like, you know, she's not
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: all dulled up, she's not wearing a lot of makeup.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: She just looks like, you know, your typical neotonous, nerdy
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: woman who just you know, she's pretty, but you know
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: she's not trying hard, and you know, like she just
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: fits that thing too perfectly.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to some more. I did get
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a let me go back, I got I did get
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a super chat I should read or super child. So
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: this one is from the one good man gave us
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: five dollars and says, is this woman aware that straight
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: men do not have a monopoly on sexual aggression? They
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: would probably challenge you on that, although yes, it's obvious.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: They would say, of course, straight men don't have a
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: monopoly on sexual aggression. Gay men also have a monopoly
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: on sexual aggress share that it's an oligopoly of straight
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: men and gay men.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's men in general. All right, and let's see
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: let's watch some of this. This is the next So
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the first one was Christopher. This is Lawrence Cross. Let's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: see what she says about this.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: So Lawrence Krauss, he's a physicist. I think he's more
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: famous though for being like babies first atheist, Like he's
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: like really active or he was in the skeptics community.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: So the timeline.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Rebecca Watson was and P PJ or p P B
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: P D Myers. Yeah, you remember, I.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Remember, well, I obviously remember Rebecca Watson. I have some
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of her sound bites on my thing here.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: And what was her name, Michelle right minus wrong as
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Integral Mouth used to call her. Was it Michelle No?
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: And p GG did something like that, you know, he
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: hosted a like a hangout with the two of them,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Rebecca and right minus wrong there, and they were talking
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: about how they get harassed all the time, they get
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: sexual it's just nothing but wall to wall sexual Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I can't even it was just like this this big, freaking,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: humble bragging game of one upmanship between these two women
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I can't walk down the street without
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: being harassed. And then the other one is like, I
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: can't even step out on my porch to pick up
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the morning paper without being sexually harassed, without being cat
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: called and wolf whistled, and you know.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I can't wake up in the morning and look out
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the window without being like, you know, well still.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Keeping tom, you know, like and it's just like, because
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I'm just that hot and I'm watching this and I'm
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: like the humble oh god, and then the yeah no.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: And then Rebecca Watson she uploaded that she she's talked
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: about like sexual harassment in atheism. H we lost harassment problem.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: You're back, I mean the women.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: It seems to happen every time my man goes to Pete.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether that's interference with the internet.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: On the internet cables like.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, no, no, no, the internet cables are fine.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah no, so uh. She she's talking about how
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: there are atheist women who are non feminists or whatever,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: and and they're saying that there's like they've never experienced
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: a problem right with sexual harassment in the atheist and.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm gonna try and refresh her again. Shows
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: that she's there, but she seems to be.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Having some issues. Guys, I'm sorry, thanks for the super child.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Let me just make sure I didn't miss anything while
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Karen to come back.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: This is the nature of the beast. I'm sorry, guys.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: If I had a studio.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Like Tim Poole, I don't know, man, maybe we'd be
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: better off.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean not ps D Myers, thank you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Roll with the Purpose. That's the name, pe Z.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Karen when she comes back. I will
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: tell her. But in the meantime, let's get to the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: second anecdote, because I mean, I can't go for a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: whole lot longer because I got to pick up Lindsay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: So he was associated with CFI, which is a skeptic institute,
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: and there was a woman there working part time who
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: hoped to get a full composition. And when she I
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: met Kraus, she told him this and he invited her
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: to dinner. First, he asked me her at the hotel
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: room where he's saying, So she goes up, assuming they'll
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: go down to have dinner at the hotel. Here's the quote.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: She said, Krauss made a comment about her eye makeup,
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: got very close to her face. Suddenly he lifted her
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: by the arms and pushed her onto the bed beneath
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: him forcibly kissing her and trying to pull down the
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: crotch for tights. She said she struggled to push him
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: off when he pulled out a condom she got out
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: from under. Hims that I have to go and rush
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: out of the room. Just denies that this was not consensual.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: And seven so he's.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Working, so we I mean, we can't know for sure.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: She's just reading this is like essentially this stuff that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: all seems to be you know, his word against hers
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and vice versa. There were no police reports filed. There
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: were just complaints. I don't know when they happened, if
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: there was a delay in time, and it's basically impossible
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: to prove, so like you can like I'm sorry, but
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: these women can just they can just say something happened,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: and they already have an advantage, like guys are just
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: even men, they're just be like, yeah, that sounds about right,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and then that's it. Like nobody thinks, you know, these
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: are serious allegations, Like it seems like this is a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: unique crime because if it was murder, we'd probably be like, yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: we should pbably look into this and make sure that
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: we got our ducks in a row, right, But because
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: it's sexual assault.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Man, people's brains they just short circuit over this. They
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: can't handle it. So I'm gonna jump ahead to the
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: next bit, the next clip, and Karen has come back again.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're back.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you're the one who keeps dropping out.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Really I'm still streaming.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like this this entire time, my internet connection
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: has been strong. And then you know, like I just
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: refreshed the page and all of a sudden, I'm back,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: but you know, like i'd just sign in again, but
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know what's going on.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Well I don't know what's going on, but I'm still,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like I haven't. My Internet's not the issue.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It could be an issue with this service that this thing.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: We're using, but I don't know.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, so I guess if you if you can,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, just so we can get through the show,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: which is fine, like you know, if you can't, just
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on it, and if it if it
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: looks like it drops, just refresh and come right back,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: and I will also am I Yeah, Karen dropped again.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: See try to refresh Karen. If you can hear this,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: you're back? Yeah, I got red bars here?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: What does this mean? What is that? Let me see?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: This is on Karen's end? Can you hear me? Do?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to read any of this shit.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: This guy's really complex, So anyway, let me refresh over here.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll refresh the chat and see, Hold on a second, guys,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: let me just reload this. There's Karen, there's me. Can
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: you hear me? What yeah, okay, I just refreshed it
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: on my end, so maybe that'll make a difference.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought no, no, I.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Did a refresh because I thought maybe, you know, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that's what it needs, no idea. So anyway,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: it seems to be okay now, just a troll of
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the purpose is discord having himbed problems today general internet dysfunction.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe it's China, Maybe it's neither you or me.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's paying he's like pressing the hack button on
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: his giant evil computer and we're all feeling it. Well yeah,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: well petty mister Bigglesworth.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just before he cooks him for dinner.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: All right, So she went through the We talked a
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: little bit about the Myers Karen that was the name.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: He's E. Myers. Yes, that's right. And I want to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: jump to the next anecdote.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: So the third target is Jeff Marcy thirty five twenty eight.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know who Jeff Marcy.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Is, but we're going to look at that thirty five
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: twenty Oh. I just saw it, Evan. There we go,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and I will put it on the screen plate.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Hold on, Jef Marcy. So Jeff Marcy worked at San
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: Francisco State nineteen ninety five, Rodudate students stated that Jeff
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Marcy would rub her shoulders and one day grab when
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: they were in a meeting together. Here's a quote from her.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: I had just gotten married, and he would ask me,
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: when are you getting a divorce? I just basically wanted
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: to get my master's in leading. The same year, different
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: graduate students stated that Marcie would touch her hair and
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: brush up with her and brush up to her with
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: his legs, which would cause his touch her. She told
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: him more than a few times that this behavior made
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: her uncomfortable, but he did not stop. Here's what she says,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: because he was a vocal supporter of women in science.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: You can't be a vocal supporter of women in science
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: and also rug on them. It was contradictory in my
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: head that he would have bad intentions. But at the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: same time, it just felt so uncomfortable that after a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: few times I had to tell him to stop.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's fine. Again, it's just another anecdote. It's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: just like all three of these have this in common.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sure, but like if this if this anecdote
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: is true, right, then that's unacceptable. Yeah, I mean I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: don't disagree with that, but but a lot of the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: things that you know have been that get brought up
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: are are ridiculous, right. A lot of the things that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: get brought up as sexual harassment are ridiculous. They don't
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: qualify as sexual harassment. You know, having a crush on somebody, right,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: seeing them as sexually.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Lost her again and we lost her again. Oh no,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you're back, all right, you're back.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Unfucking believable.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going on is.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Going on either, But what I'm saying is, you know,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: like they're lumping all of these things, right, all of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: these various stories right in together, and you know, you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: would actually be better served, even if you're talking anecdotes
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: that haven't been proven right, to actually stick with the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: actual things that actually merit. Being upset about having a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: male coworker rub up against you and then you tell
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: him that it makes you feel uncomfortable and he keeps
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: doing it. That's the thing. That's something that that happens, right,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: and it's not something that anybody should tolerate. That doesn't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: remotely fit you know, a lot of the sort of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: allegations that end up being lumped in with this to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: prove this like systemic problem. And like, I'm there's always
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: going to be assholes. I don't understand how women can't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: understand this, Right, There are always going to be assholes.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: There are always going to be dicks, right, and usually
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: right eventually failing out of whatever position they're in. Usually right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they're like my husband's toxic co worker and he's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: protected by the union, and you know, like there's just
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: no way to fire him without getting sued, and so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: they just kind of they try and Okay, well we'll
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: move him to a different building, you know, or we'll
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: move his desk all the way across to the other
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: side of the building, you know, or oh, now we'll
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: move him to a different facility, right to get him
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: out of everybody's hair and like allow the other people
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: to get their work done as opposed to dealing with
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: this guy's drama, right, Yeah, And I mean, so there's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: always going to be toxic people. There's always going to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: be that, right. That doesn't mean it's a systemic problem,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: you know, like in stem In particularly in particular, and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: it's not like it's something that's like completely exclusive to men.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: You know, like I have add some female bosses who
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: were something else again and female coworkers and not just
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: something else again, Like they weren't trying to hit on
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: me or anything like that. They were just you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: trying to reputationally destroy everyone else around them that and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: you know, like so it's it's like this just human nature.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: This is like the nature of what happens when when
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: you have a group of more than one hundred and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: fifty people, right, a hierarchy of more than one hundred
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: and fifty people, which is like one hundred and fifty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: to three hundred, which is Dunbar's number, right, Dunbar's number. Right,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: that's the number of human relationships you can actually track
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: and where you actually kind of know everybody and can
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: keep track of what they're doing. And that's it. That's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: as much as humans are capable of. And ironically, that's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the number of chimpanzees that are in a group. The
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: number of like that's the limitations non human species that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: are social but not use social, like bees and wasps
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: and ants and stuff like that. That's the limiting number
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: of the members of the community that you can keep
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: track of to know whether you can trust them or
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: you can't trust.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Who She'll be back.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: It seems like it goes for a while and then
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: she drops and then she comes back. So I'm not
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: doing it on purpose to cut her off or anything.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously, let's breathe. She might have to refresh.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the So we got like the general
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: she has these anecdotes. They are the basis for her
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: next thing.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Karen's back, My Jesus Christ.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Anyway, the bigger the number of people in a system,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: the more cheaters and free writers will get away with
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: cheating and free writing. Right, That's just how it is. Yeah, right,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And so you're looking at a university, a corporation, right,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: you're looking at all of those things. Well, even a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: small business is only considered five hundred employees or less. Right,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: So even that's a small business is above Dunbar's number,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: And you're going to get cheaters and free writers, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to get people who are not trustworthy because
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: you can't watch everyone all the time.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, so for sure, And again I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: guess it's what you're getting at, is that ultimately, I mean, it's.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Just this is a it's an endemic problem, and it's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: an endemic problem with large systems, right, and if you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: wanted to get rid of it, if you really wanted
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: to get rid of it, you would try to decentralize everything,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: right yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like there there's I mean, I don't know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: it might be it might have to be the case that,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you you need people to group together to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: work on things based on like whether or not they
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: have like the same goals in mind, as opposed to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, we just need women in here, because.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I think the I think the quotas are part of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: the problem.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like like if you have
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of spurgy dudes, then let the and they
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: all seem to work together fine, like like bees in
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a beehive, then leave them to it and throwing a
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: woman like this this kind of one. So like spurgy
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: women could probably be okay too, but a woman like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: this that's just gonna be in there or she's gonna
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: like here. Oh it's so you know, it's so toxic
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: and dangerous. I mean they're basically saying it's the same
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: thing as a frat house, but a frat guy wouldn't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: be like comfortable, he'd be out of his element with
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: these spurgy dudes and science too, and and you know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't call that, like, I don't know, we wouldn't
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: call it, you know, something.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: That oh it's it's an unwelcoming work environment for.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, exactly. So you know we have to understand that,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I mean. And the thing is too, is that when
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it comes to like these I don't know, like her,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: these women that are reporting on this discomfort. Again, leaving
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: aside the possibility that they might be true, all we
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: have is like what they claim they're experiencing and how
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that experience makes them feel, opposed to like how much
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: of this is true? So like if guys, I'm not
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: talking about the guy supposedly rubbing his crotch on them
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and and supposedly it being intentional and all that, I mean, obviously.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: That's unacceptable, that's that's beyond the pale.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: But like if the guy's just trying to talk to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: somebody and he's just really like you know, socially awkward,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and he like crosses a line without knowing it, we
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: would like we we shouldn't treat that the same. But
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: but a woman might experience that to the same degree.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Like so the way a woman interprets what's happening versus
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: what's actually happening, you know, So it's I don't know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: it's like Allison's got Karen's got her hand on her head,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: but she Okay, what's what's wrong? Can you hear me? Okay,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Well it'll it'll probably start working again. I'm gonna I'm
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: gonna just keep going. I'm saying that men and women's interpretation,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the way that we receive data is just really different,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: and I think it's causing problems.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: And I think some people exploit that.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Karen has gone and we'll see if she comes back.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: She's probably refreshing her page right now, so let's see.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Jump to her convoluted mathematical plot that explains that men
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: get away with this stuff. So forty five fifty eight
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm at, right, No, not quite
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: forty five fifty five, Okay, so I'm gonna go.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I had him play it.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: It was so prolific in his sexual harassment that someone
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: published anonymously before abas meeting a kind of playbook for
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: how people who are late career researchers will sexually harass
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: and assault early career researchers, And I think that speaks
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: to how often this happened. That's it was about Jeff Marcy,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: but they published it anonymously and didn't mention him. But
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: they had seen him do this so many times that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: they established a pattern, and I can link to it.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: But I want to discuss this in a different way
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: so you can understand how perfasive this behavior is.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: All right, I see Karen trying to get in. Is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: it something that I am doing wrong? Why is this happening?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Let me do a quick speed test.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: On my thing. I have it running in the background
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: right now, but I.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Don't think it's my inner. I'll also try to refresh
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: this room one more time.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Oh I, we'll see I'm in again.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: So I doubt this woman has been sexually harassed at all.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, it's so subjective, it's prone
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: to these issues.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, there she is. Sorry. I don't know what it is.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should only go for a little while longer.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what Maybe we should Maybe we
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: should just end it right now, because like it's just
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: dying and dying and dying and dying. And I can't
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: figure out what's wrong because it says my connection not
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: just to my WiFi but to the internet is strong.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, and I don't know what the fuck
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: is happening.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, I.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Just think, you know, honestly, I don't know whether there's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: anything more that we can really add to this woman's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: complaints other than you know, if a dude is hitting
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: on you and he won't stop even after you ask
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: him to stop, right, that's harassment. Right. If he hits
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: on you once and then you tell him no, thanks
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: and he stops, then that's not harassment. And you know
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: if he thinks maybe if you don't tell him no,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: you tell him, well you know I shouldn't, right, Well,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: you're leaving the door open for the guy, right, Like,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: are you fucking retarded? You need to say no, not no,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: I don't dance, No, I don't want to dance with you, right,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: you know, you need to learn how to freaking assert yourself,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: and like this is this is one of the things
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: with young women, right, and by young I mean like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: millennials and younger, right, they just don't know how to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: freaking say no. They like, this is a generation of
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: people who when mom tags along for their first job interview, right,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: aren't humiliated. They're relieved They've got their moms sitting there
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: as a wingman, right, and it's like, yeah, no, no,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: this is this is not okay. Right. That's how I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: raised my kids. And you know what, my daughter, she
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: was sexually harassed at work and she did what she
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: could to absolutely put a stop to it. And then
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: when that didn't work, she made a complaint and she
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: dealt with it professionally and she did not demand that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: the guy be fired. She just said, I just wanted
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: to stop. And to their credit, the her employer was
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: very very good about you know, they changed his shifts,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: not hers. They and they you know, so that they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: wouldn't ever be working together and let alone getting off
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: work together. So that he could approach her at the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: bus stop and offer her a ride home at like midnight,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: which was super fun for her. But you know, but
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: they but they took her wishes into account. She didn't
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: want him fired. He was like a new immigrant, didn't
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: have a lot of English. And then she was like,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: where else is he going to be able to get
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: a job, and you know, like I don't want to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: ruin his life. I just want him to stop, right yeah,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: and he did and because I guess they put the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: fear in him and so he stopped and that was that.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: And it's like, that's how you handle it. You don't say,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: there's like a systemic problem of sexual harassment at this company, right,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: and he should have been fired and then like blacklisted
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: for the rest of his life from getting any kind
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: of job anywhere.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Put him on a list.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's I'm sorry, but you know, and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: I've been through harassment as well, and it's like it's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: not fun to deal with when it's targeted and ongoing.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: But which is probably why I don't consider ninety percent
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: of what the complaints are in stem fields like that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: women have made against men. I don't consider it harassment.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: You haven't experienced fucking harassment until you've been through what
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: I've been through, right yep?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: So all right, well I guess what I will do.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: So it seems like your connection is okay right now,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So the next time you conker.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Out, I'll just yeah, I know you're starting to am.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I oh, it's begun. Can you hear me.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes, for now, but I think we should
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: just I think we should just just say goodbye.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that, all right, I will, We'll wrap
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: it up there. Let me just make sure to miss
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: any other super Chow's or anything like that.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it, So we're gonna wrap it
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: up there. I think that it's true.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, Alison gave me a lot of material, but
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I you know, this thing doesn't need to be a
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: three hour epic.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: We know it's the same old song, right.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: She literally quotes BuzzFeed as her like primary source.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and we.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Already know that the actual data as as presented by
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Peter Wright, and I think he shared this bit of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: info that shows that let me just put it on
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: the screen here motives, but basically that women are also
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: a big player in this. They also engage in a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: lot of sexual harassment, just that you know they don't Obviously,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: this woman wants to say this is a this is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: a systemic problem. And even when you are acquitted, even
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: when you are found not guilty, didn't do anything, it
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because your reputation is damaged regardless. Finished as
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: drama astronomers acquitted in defamation case related to protesting harassment.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: By the way, why do they look like that? What
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: is this? What am I looking at? Free as song? Anyway, Yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: that is free a song.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Totally fine.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: But well, yeah, totally that's fine. It's just the everything else,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: the everything else. He looks like Sandman.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, but anyway, some man was way more muscular.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: The Sandman from the comics.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was way more muscular. But also, is that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: actually a male?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, yes
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: that he's got the destiny body. And no it's not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: ear rings doesn't really mean a lot.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, I'm not going by the ear rings.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, look there the astronomers Till Sawala and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: and Sisky Resinan were acquitted of criminal defamation.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: So that yeah, that might be a woman anyway, I know.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: If it's a woman, it might be a woman who's transitioned.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly so.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: But the shoulders are just way too narrow.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Well anyway, we're gonna end it there.
• 1:18:25
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• 1:18:28
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• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: it's long, about two hours, and there isn't a lot
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: there except again feminists reading off of a bunch of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: anecdotes regarding stories that I think some we've actually covered
• 1:18:54
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  Speaker 2: Yes are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines. They
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: are talking point machines.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: They are impossible to fucking deal with, especially.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: If you have like especially if you have like a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: couple of dudes who have good memory on top of
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: that too, holy shit, you're fucked
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  Speaker 5: Assass