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Jeromy Jones: Inside The Haunted Jefferson Palace Hotel · Echoes of the South

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  Welcome to Echoes of the South. I'm Carrie Genzel Most paranormal investigators go
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  looking for haunted places. My guest today decided to live in one. Jeromy Jones is a
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  paranormal investigator, engineer, and the owner of the Jefferson Palace Hotel in
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  Jefferson, Texas. But his connection to the unexplained began long before he walked
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  through its doors. Jeromy grew up having paranormal experiences, and as an adult,
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  his curiosity followed him into his career as an engineer. Eventually those two
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  worlds came together. He began designing his own equipment and Creating devices that
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  could help make things investigators were experiencing easier to see, hear, and
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  document. That work became Paranologies. I actually met Jeromy about 13 years ago
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  while I was developing a paranormal TV project. At the time, he and Morrighan Lynne
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  were investigating together on the same team in the Dallas area. It's funny where
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  life takes you because a lot has happened since then. Jeromy and his wife Pam
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  eventually bought the Jefferson Palace Hotel, filled its thirteen thousand square
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  feet with their collection of antiques and oddities, and made the hotel their family
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  home. It's a place where so many of their interests have come together history, old
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  buildings, antiques, and of course, the paranormal. And the activity didn't exactly
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  stop once they moved in. Today, more than a hundred cameras watch over the property,
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  capturing what happens in the halls and common areas, while guests continue to
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  report experiences of their own. Today, Jeromy and I talk about some of those
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  experiences, the rooms with reputations of their own. The evidence caught on camera,
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  the equipment he spent years creating, and a few mysteries inside the hotel that
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  even Jeromy hasn't solved yet. Let's begin.
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  Jeromy it is so good to see you. Hello. Look at first of all, let's just take in the
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  ballroom behind you. That is not a screensaver or a video. That's real, folks.
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  Fabulous.
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  I I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny when I was setting up I like, God, people
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  are gonna think the the background's fake, but no, it's not. That's
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  That's that's real. And anyone that's been to the Jefferson Palace Hotel will say,
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  yeah. And and
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  Yeah.
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  I know that that's where all the parties are happening at the hotel. I've seen the
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  footage.
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  yeah. You've seen the footage. Yeah.
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  Definitely, definitely. That's one thing you guys do. You guys do hauntings and
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  parties very well.
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  Yes. We do. It it's a lot of fun, I will say. And then it's our house during the
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  week, so
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  And that's it. And that's what I find so fascinating. So, you know, you not only
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  have this incredible business and unique kind of plan for, you know, theming out the
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  rooms and and letting people come in and experience it, but you all live there.
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  Yeah, we sure do. And people were like, What what were
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  Yeah, which is incredible.
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  you thinking, buying a haunted location like this, right? And you know, I've been in
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  the paranormal my whole life, pretty much, so this was our next adventure that
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  instead of traveling all over we might as well move into the place that you know I
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  call the paranormal playground now for us.
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  Right, exactly. Well, take us back to that decision to you had been there before,
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  Right.
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  and I don't know if it was for sale when the first time that you had been there. Was
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  Yeah.
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  it for sale at that point or were you just staying there as guests?
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  No, I'd say we stayed here probably five years before it even went up for sale. It
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  was just, you know, Jefferson was a everybody knew Jefferson because it has all
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  these haunted locations in old town, stopped in time kinda. And so yeah, we stayed
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  in here probably three or four times before we purchased it.
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  Right. And I think, did you have an experience while you were staying there? I'm
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  trying to remember the story.
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  Yeah, we did. So several. So you know, we stayed in room nineteen, that's the famed
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  bride room. We'll talk about it later. But so everybody
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  Yeah.
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  has to, you know, that's our most famous room. set up some cameras, of course, and
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  that night what my camera went flying, the whole tripod and everything. And so then
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  I get up, put it back up, I go to the bathroom, and I'm in the bathroom which has a
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  ball and claw tub, which is where another lady was stabbed in that tub back when it
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  was a brothel. But I'm in there and in the bathtub and I put my pants, I folded
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  them, put them on the toilet, and they I saw movement. So I look over there and the
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  pants started unfolding accordion style and just landed on the floor, very subtle.
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  It was pretty crazy. then my daughter Makenna, who is eighteen now, if you can
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  believe that. God
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  That's crazy
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  Crazy.
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  to me, yeah.
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  So I God, she was probably six or seven when she was with us, and so we were in room
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  zero, which is another famed room now. We didn't know it at the time. We went out to
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  get our luggage and Makenna is staying in the room 'cause she's always been, you
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  know, a trooper for the paranormal stuff. She loves it. Well, we come back in and
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  she's bawling, like on the floor, going, my God you know, and we're like, What
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  happened? She goes, Well y'all went outside, all of a sudden the room started
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  flickering, the lights started flickering, the water turned on by itself, like all
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  this stuff was happening, poltergeist style, and she was petrified. So I mean that
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  was just prior to us even thinking we were gonna, you know, own this place. So we
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  had some pretty cool experiences.
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  So when you found out that it was for sale, was it you or or your wife Pam or so
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  that were like, We're in, let's make this happen.
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  it was it was both of us, however, Pam is the reason why we're here now and I'll
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  tell you why. Because
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  Okay. Okay.
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  you know, you look look around in the background. Now I I built all this stuff, but
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  there are antiques, you know, trinkled around back there. But for those of you don't
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  know, the building is thirteen thousand square feet and it's completely full of our
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  antique collection. So we had this antique collection prior to owning this building.
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  People come in thinking, my God, you know, and it's like we brought this in. This
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  building was empty when we bought it. in fact it took nine twenty-six foot trucks to
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  bring all this in. So we were out again in Jefferson vacationing and we're like, my
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  god, the building we can't stay there. It's it's up for sale. And I was just like,
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  that would be awesome. You know, we could we could live here, we could bring our
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  antique collection in. and that was it. Because I think we went out to eat later and
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  I looked it up and they wanted one point two million and I'm like, okay, well we're
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  not millionaires, so there goes that. So we get home, which is about three hours
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  away from from here, and Pam's like, Hey, we're going back to Jefferson this coming
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  weekend. I'm like, Okay, but why? And she's like, we're gonna check that hotel out.
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  And I'm like, Would you win the lottery? I don't know about or what? She's like, No,
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  let's just go
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  Right.
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  look at it. So She was pretty adamant because I had I was like, Okay, that would be
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  cool, but that's it. You know, there's no way that was ever gonna happen. We come
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  the next weekend, come in the building, it was heavy, you know, that heavy feeling
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  you get, 'cause you know, ghostly feeling. 'cause it was empty. And we're walking
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  around, it's all dark, it was no AC, no electricity, and so I like that. I was like,
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  that's cool. But the place was a disaster. So when you get upstairs,
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  Right.
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  the roof had been leaking for like two or three years. So all the ceilings were on
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  the ground, water everywhere, you could smell the like mildew smell. it needed a lot
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  of work. So we're like, okay, that one point two, let's put in an offer and see what
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  happens.
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  Right.
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  We get back and put in I think it was eight fifty, something around there, maybe
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  nine hundred offer. This was in October of twenty nineteen.
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  Right.
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  and that they declined. They're like, We have five other people trying to know like,
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  okay, there goes our whatever. So come around, of course COVID hits and everything's
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  shutting down. And so they're like, Hey guys, are y'all still interested in that
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  building? And we're like, Well, yes, but for the right price. So it ends up we got
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  it for the right price. And it it just all worked out. you know It probably took
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  eight or nine months, you know, to do all the paperwork and do all the business
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  planning 'cause we knew they knew we had the antique collection because we were
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  gonna use that as our business plan for the themed rooms that we have and all that.
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  So that kinda helped 'cause there were some other people trying to buy it, but
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  ultimately we got it. So that's kinda how that happened.
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  Yeah. And just because Pam's not here, I'm gonna pull up a picture of there you guys
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  are from a few years
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  Hey, no gray beard. Look at that.
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  ago, free years ago. This is pre this is what you look like before you
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  Yes.
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  are hotel owners and after. No 'cause it's been ha
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  my gosh, yeah.
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  yeah, it's been a number of years now. I mean it goes by really quickly.
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  Can't believe we've been here, we're going on our seventh year. That's how crazy is
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  that? Like
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  Wow.
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  it just feels like we bought it. we're yeah, it's it's time is just I don't know. I
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  can't do it.
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  It goes by so quick. Well, you guys are always so busy
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  Yeah.
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  too between, you know, running the hotel because you don't have staff. It's just you
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  guys, which is also
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  Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
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  crazy.
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  I mean, it we have my mother in law that lives here and
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  Yes.
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  truly without her we would probably shut down or have to hire ten people. Because
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  she does do our beds and she takes pride in it and she loves but she doesn't take
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  payment though. Like we've tried and she just loves living here and you know it's
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  her house too. I'm on my s high speed internet, that's weird. Well it looks a little
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  better now.
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  Yeah. No, maybe they're messing they're messing with it. Do the spirits ever
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  Is it good?
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  mess with your Wi Fi or your electronics?
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  so yes, all the time. mainly lighting, of course.
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  Right.
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  when we first bought the building, it was kind of crazy. Usually lights just
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  flicker. Well, we're down at the end of the hall and the bulb actually just blew
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  out, shattered everywhere. And then
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  Wow.
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  it continued down the thing, so yeah. Shall I
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  Well, I d I don't know I I really don't know of another hotel that has as much
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  activity as you all have at the Jefferson Palace
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  I know.
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  Hotel. I mean, it's really incredible. and you know, on top of just that it's all
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  happening, you have how many cameras in within the hotel to document everything
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  that's going on? I mean, it's it's incredible.
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  Yeah, we have a hundred and eight cameras now. And so
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  Yeah.
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  you know, it's mainly it's a big building. We want to protect our collection.
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  However, when something happens it grabs, you know, some pretty cool stuff. We have
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  hundreds of videos out there that I always say, you know, these people well, I say
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  these people, but other locations post like we're it's haunted and it's haunted.
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  Well I put up there we're haunted too, but we can back it up because I mean there's
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  just hundreds of videos out there of just the crazy stuff that happens here and and
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  we it's got a history too. It's not you know, this didn't just happen when we moved
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  in. Everybody knew this place was haunted a long time ago. So yeah.
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  No, it has an incredible history, as yeah, as does Jefferson itself and just that
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  street that you're on. and other businesses. It seems like pretty much
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  every business on that street has stories and claims.
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  Yeah, I mean most of the buildings around here are hundred and fifty to one hundred
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  and seventy five years old. And so when you have a building that old, all these
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  structures, it's gonna have energy stored up in there. That's kinda what I you know
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  Yeah.
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  the energy in this building's just remarkable. I love it.
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  Yeah, I mean I I don't know that I've ever seen anything. I see that too, Jeromy in
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  different cities where they're like, We're the most haunted. And I'm like, hmm, I
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  don't know.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I mean you can say that, but where's your proof? the cool thing is, you
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  know, most of our stuff happened early on before AI. Now it's kinda hard with AI.
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  Every you know, you can you post something and people are like, Yeah, is that kind
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  of s you know? So I I always I have my friend Joe, he's always like, Man, you need
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  to spice up your videos and and I'm like, dude I like raw so you know, I I screen
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  capture, I go right to the the camera apps and I pull it right from the S D card,
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  that way it's you know, it's legit.
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  No, and I I think that what you do is great because you'll show, you know, sometimes
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  you'll post the YouTube video and you're showing you yourself pulling it right off
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  the security camera footage and
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  and looking through it and scrubbing it and finding that moment. So,
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  you know, and being that you have so many cameras, you're not missing anything. Of
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  course, you can't see inside the rooms, but then
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  Yeah.
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  your guests are also documenting things.
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  Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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  that are happening to them in their own rooms or you know, there's always the ones
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  of that are running down the hall leaving. That happens, that happens.
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  Uh-huh. Yeah, that's true, we love those. Yeah.
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  And you and you have a special club for those people, I think, right? Mm-hmm.
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  We do, yep. Yep. So you've probably seen the the Fight Club, obviously, the movie.
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  So, you know, number one rule for that is we don't talk about the fight club. But
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  the fright club here at Jefferson Palace, number one rule is there's no refunds. So
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  they we we get so I'll give an example two nights ago. It's about nine PM and room
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  nineteen. They're downstairs, luggage, everything. I'm like, hey, you know, is
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  everything all right? 'Cause I want to make sure like, you know, what happened
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  before I wait for this n bad review or something. So and they're like, no,
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  everything's fine. we just you know and they're chatting like this and trying to
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  figure out what's going on. She's like, My something wrong, my cat and you know,
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  she's made up this story. And so I'm like, Okay, we'll see you later. And so I go
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  upstairs, the room Wasn't touched, bed was fine, everything's good. And I pull up
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  the footage and you could see kind of sneak into the room and they open the door and
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  then they shut it and then they open it a couple of times. You could just tell they
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  were petrified, so they put they were put on the fright club.
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  Well, room nineteen, I think, is probably the room. I'm gonna pull up this picture
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  of the bed and we can talk a little bit about w some of the lore about this room.
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  There it is.
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  yeah.
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  there it is. I think you gotta be a pretty brave soul to check into nineteen.
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  There's just so many claims and so many experiences in there. But tell us a little
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  bit about this room and the bed that we're looking at right now.
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  Yeah, so that's the smallest room we have in the hotel too, which also makes it
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  creepy 'cause you got this giant bed. And that bed's about ten foot tall. It's
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  almost touching the ceiling there. So when we first bought it, it was actually
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  facing that right wall where that little picture frame is. And I just didn't like
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  the flow of it. So we moved it and put it up against a window, and that was a well
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  it was a good decision for the ghost activity, but bad decision for People want to
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  stay there because it w it just really ramped up that activity. But that bed, you
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  know, there's a newspaper clipping that happened in 1912. And it was found by Jodi
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  Breckenridge, who does our ghost tours out here when she used to manage the hotel in
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  the nineties. And in the newspaper clipping it said Lydia Grigsby was to have her
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  wedding at her mother's hotel, and this was called the Grigsby Hotel at that time.
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  And sadly, her husband jilted her at the altar, and so she went back to her mother's
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  room and hanged herself from that bed. So that's the that's kinda what happened to
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  that. That was a crazy story on that.
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  That's wild. And I know that people will say, Well, how could you do that? But I
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  think you actually ch not
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  Yeah.
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  tried to hang yourself, but you actually did try to hang from the top top of the
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  yeah.
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  of the the board the headboard and you were like, Well, it is possible.
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  Yeah. It it is. So, you know, the the very top what I I just did basically a pull up
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  on that very top part
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  Yeah.
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  there. and I mean it's feasible. It it it could happen. However,
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  Yeah.
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  when I was searching for more stories back then around that time, the hangings that
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  happened mainly by like inmates and stuff, but other people, they would just wrap a
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  a bed sheet around the pole. And then just, you know, go to sleep
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  Right.
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  like that. So I think that's probably what happened. I don't think she actually like
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  jumped off like people picture.
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  Right. Right.
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  you know it's crazy. There's pro I have a collection of nooses from people leaving
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  them there for God knows what reason. Yeah. They bring in, I guess I don't know
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  my God. my. Well
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  if they're shooting videos or if they're I don't know. But yeah. They get left. I
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  know I know.
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  I don't know that we wanna know. Yeah. Well and you also you have a a a a dress
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  Yeah.
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  in there, yeah, to symbolize the bride.
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  Yep, that's it's kinda like a trigger object, you know. We try to
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  Yeah.
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  you know, it's th there's a little plaque over there also telling the story and that
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  dress is actually from nineteen twelve, so you kinda picture it's not her dress, but
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  you know, you kinda picture
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  Right.
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  her wearing that style and then you know, just trying to bring that activity up in
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  that room. Which we don't need to. It's already pretty crazy.
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  Yeah. Well I was gonna say, I think yeah, I think it's doing pretty well on its own.
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  Yeah.
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  That's yeah, definitely. You definitely if you're booking into room nineteen, folks,
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  to be ready for a wild ride.
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  yeah. Yeah. It it happens.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not it's not something that'll happen all the time and but it does. It's it's
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  pretty frequent. It's pretty crazy. You know what's funny is we've
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  never Pam and I have never stayed in that room yet. You would think like that'd
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  really?
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  be the one room when yeah, yeah. I mean we did back
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  Yeah.
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  in the day, but before we owned it, but we really just like our room. We you know,
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  we don't you would think owning the hotel you would try a different room every night
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  and no, we we don't. Mainly 'cause we don't want to redo the beds.
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  Well, that that, but also I think that probably living there and just knowing the
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  different personalities of each room and the different cast of characters in each
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  room, you know, you all have your own family space and you have
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  Yeah.
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  certain rooms that are for family, and then you've kind of created your own space in
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  those rooms. So it's like this
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  Yeah.
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  is our space. You all can go play out there, right?
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  Right, right. Yeah.
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  Don't bre don't breach this space, but I know sometimes they do 'cause I know you've
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  sent me pictures where there's activity in your room, you know. so they do
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  yeah. Yes, the the creepiest
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  come in.
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  Yeah, w I was we were watching TV I was two three in the morning, my normal time,
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  and I heard a little girl giggle in the bedroom and all you could see was the light,
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  you know, from the TV. So I look over and both my cats are on the bed, so I knew it
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  wasn't them. And I knew it wasn't Lucy our Monkey because she Doesn't that. But I
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  looked over and I'm like, my God, what is this? So I pulled my phone out and I
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  turned the flash on and I see a face on the floor. And so I'm like, okay. And so I
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  open up the the video you know, option and I start videoing. And there's a face on
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  the floor. It is creepy. It's it's like demonic looking, right? I don't know if
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  you've seen that. Did I show you that?
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  I yeah, let me tell you the story. Yes, you did show you sent that to me, and what
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  happened, and I think I told you this, you sent
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  yeah.
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  me the photo. I opened it on my phone, and something came at me in my house in
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  Atlanta. It was like, and
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  Yes, yes, yes.
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  I turned around and I went, no, really loud, and it went, like that. And I was like,
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  I don't know what's in this photo, Jeromy but like, holy smokes.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, it was it, yeah. It there's that's not friendly. What that is not Casper at
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  all. I don't know what that is. And it looks freaky like when you see it. It looks
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  like it menacing.
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  No, no, no. It it does. It it is a It reminded me of shortly after you remember, you
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  know, the movie Black Phone with Eth Ethan Hawk. He's got
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  Yeah.
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  that he's got that mask and it kinda looked like that on the floor and so you know I
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  stopped videoing 'cause I was like, my god, what is this? And then shortly after I I
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  turned it on again just to see and it it was completely gone. So that that's one of
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  the unnerving things. I I've had a couple things that are kinda Not playful, you
• 25:38
  know, we have playful spirits here, a lot of them. But there's been a couple where
• 25:42
  you're like,
• 25:43
  Right. for sure, yeah.
• 25:46
  I don't know what that is. I'm not messing with that.
• 25:49
  Well, and and the I've you know, I think for the for the most part, you kind of get
• 25:52
  to know the kind of cast of characters that are in different parts of the hotel. And
• 25:56
  then sometimes there may be other things that wander in, especially because it is
• 26:00
  such
• 26:01
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 26:02
  it is such a beacon, right? It's always lit
• 26:04
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  up and it's always, you know, even outside for different seasons,
• 26:08
  Yeah.
• 26:09
  it's decorated and it's fun and there's parties and things. So with you know, that
• 26:15
  street being so active.
• 26:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:18
  You gotta think that there's spirits that are like, Hey, let's go over there right
• 26:20
  and
• 26:21
  I know. Yeah. And
• 26:24
  j and pop in.
• 26:26
  And y and then you don't know what other people bring in too, 'cause, you know,
• 26:30
  we're hosting hundreds of people's you know, per per month and what are they doing
• 26:35
  in those rooms? You know, that's the other thing.
• 26:38
  Right. That's another apparently they're hanging themselves. I don't know. There's
• 26:40
  but
• 26:41
  Yeah, I know right.
• 26:44
  you know, that's another thing. I know that like sometimes, and I know that you all
• 26:48
  have a list of rules for people that are staying at the hotel
• 26:51
  Yeah.
• 26:53
  with good reason. There's a reason for every single one of those rules. And I've
• 26:54
  seen it
• 26:55
  Yeah, there is, yeah.
• 26:57
  in in other locations that are known to have activity where it's like no Ouija
• 26:59
  boards, no this, no that, whatever. Like there's
• 27:01
  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 27:03
  a list. But You know, do you find that people have you caught people doing things
• 27:07
  where you're like, You cannot be doing that in the hotel? I mean, we live here. Like
• 27:13
  Well, I'll tell you a crazy one. I can't give the location away 'cause it's kinda
• 27:20
  like a shrine now. And
• 27:22
  Okay.
• 27:23
  it's in room nineteen, I'll tell you that. However, somewhere
• 27:25
  Okay.
• 27:26
  in room nineteen there's a goat skull hidden. And so I don't know what they were
• 27:31
  doing in that room, but I was doing some maintenance and I found this skull and
• 27:37
  wow.
• 27:38
  I left it there. I didn't touch it. 'cause I'm not sure what the hell's gonna
• 27:41
  happen, you know.
• 27:42
  Right. Right.
• 27:43
  so yeah, there's we found some weird stuff. there's been more in one time account
• 27:50
  where there will be like change left under the bed in in a weird
• 27:56
  Right.
• 27:57
  pattern. We've had people come downstairs and get the creamer and do it like, you
• 28:03
  know, to outline so that spirits can't cross. I'm like yeah, crazy stuff. So we we
• 28:09
  have seen it all.
• 28:11
  Creamer, I've never seen that. That's interesting. They're like, this is what we
• 28:12
  have to work with. We're going with creamer.
• 28:13
  Yeah, you know, what do they usually use? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So but don't do that if
• 28:18
  you come here, but but yeah, it adds up
• 28:21
  No, please don't. Please don't. I'm gonna jump into the book of the dead. So people
• 28:27
  yeah.
• 28:27
  when they do come and they can document, here's a picture here.
• 28:32
  Mm.
• 28:34
  they can document what happened to them and add it to the book.
• 28:42
  you know, we we didn't start that Book of the Dead. It was actually started back in
• 28:47
  the nineteen nineties. however when we were closing on the building, we didn't take
• 28:52
  ownership yet, but people were still coming in and someone stole the original. So we
• 28:58
  had to start a new one in twenty twenty and it's full already. But I do have a copy
• 29:04
  I'm sure.
• 29:04
  of the original and it's pretty crazy how stuff lines up, you know.
• 29:10
  Well, I was gonna
• 29:10
  But
• 29:10
  ask you because it's in it would be interesting to go back and look and see if
• 29:14
  you're seeing patterns in certain rooms and areas, right? With certain
• 29:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:20
  spirits or certain activity. That's really cool.
• 29:23
  Yeah, and it it does. Like it's pretty crazy. It's usually the back of the hotel. So
• 29:28
  we're talking downstairs, rooms zero, one, and room two. Directly above that is room
• 29:34
  nineteen, eighteen, eleven, and ten. Those are all our hot spots. So you gotta
• 29:40
  wonder like why would that be? Well, throughout the years, you know, we found out
• 29:46
  there's a basement downstairs in that area that has six rooms sealed off. God only
• 29:52
  knows what's under there. So we I drilled a hole, of course. I say we, it was me.
• 29:57
  But I tr I drilled a big pilot
• 30:00
  Yeah, we
• 30:01
  hole and we had previous employees kind of tell me where it was. Because they had
• 30:05
  been down there.
• 30:06
  Okay.
• 30:07
  One of them said they went down there to do the laundry and they saw a tunnel and
• 30:11
  all kind of crazy stuff. But drilled this pilot hole, and unfortunately it looks
• 30:16
  like they fill the entire thing up with like play sand. And so That's not gonna stop
• 30:22
  me. I'm gonna I'm gonna get that
• 30:24
  Yeah.
• 30:24
  all vacuumed out, trust me. I wanna know what's down there.
• 30:28
  So nobody knows why that was filled in and sealed off.
• 30:31
  No, I ca I the the earliest employee I've been able to get a hold of was from the
• 30:34
  nineties. he saw me on some show like Paranormal Caught on Camera or something and
• 30:38
  he reached out and he's like, Hey, I work there, can I tell you some of the stories?
• 30:42
  They're all real. I'm like, I know they're real, but yeah, we and we talked for
• 30:46
  about an hour. I recorded and it was pretty cool. And I didn't even mention the
• 30:49
  basement. He said, You know, when I used to go down to the basement area, if you
• 30:53
  know where that is, and like, I don't know where it is. Can you come out and show
• 30:57
  me? And he wouldn't. He's not gonna step foot back in here. Yeah, his wife
• 31:01
  Really?
• 31:02
  and i him and his wife used to work here and they they won't come back. They live
• 31:07
  down the street too. But he kind of told me the general location and it like why
• 31:12
  what what happened down there? Something must have happened energy wise, something
• 31:18
  that's still replaying itself and radiating throughout this hotel 'cause it's
• 31:23
  definitely coming from that area.
• 31:26
  Wow. Wow. That's really interesting. Yeah. And it's a certain part of the building.
• 31:31
  So what why
• 31:32
  Uh-huh.
• 31:33
  the back of the building? Why is
• 31:35
  Yeah.
• 31:35
  that so active? Right. Interesting.
• 31:37
  Yeah, and they they had tunnels throughout Jefferson running under all these
• 31:42
  buildings. And mm for the speakeasy days, for the brothel days, Underground
• 31:47
  Railroad, like all of that is here in Jefferson and so it just I wish you could go
• 31:52
  back in time and just kinda just view what you know, the different eras, that would
• 31:58
  be really cool. Like in this ballroom here, the parties they had that I've read
• 32:03
  about are are insane. Just right where I'm sitting. And so I like to sit in this
• 32:08
  room and just absorb all of that. That's that's pretty cool.
• 32:13
  Right. Now do you find a and then there's definitely a lot of intelligent activity
• 32:17
  in the hotel, but do you find that there's also that residual energy that just keeps
• 32:22
  replaying itself? Like maybe party you know, people that did,
• 32:26
  Yeah.
• 32:27
  you know, go frequent the hotel and party or eat or drink
• 32:29
  Yeah.
• 32:30
  there or
• 32:32
  I don't know. It i there's not like one thing that happens over and over, like I I
• 32:45
  think it's Either we're tapping into, you know, that time period and it's you know,
• 32:59
  we're we're listening to that when it happened 'cause I hear music all the time. We
• 33:12
  hear dishes breaking when there's no dishes broken. But the majority of the activity
• 33:26
  here is poltergeist activity, stuff that is very intelligent, wants your attention,
• 33:40
  stuff gets thrown. and here I I gotta tell you about this 'cause I forgot. So we're
• 33:54
  gonna do room thirteen upstairs, which is which is actually where the bride hanged
• 34:07
  herself. it's one of our rooms that hasn't been themed out yet. And so I finally
• 34:21
  figured out here's what I'm gonna do. We're gonna turn that into like a haunted
• 34:34
  artifacts room. So all the things like in the hotel that have been thrown,
• 34:46
  poltergeist style and all of that, and all of my haunted objects I'm gonna put in
• 34:59
  this room and and see what happens. So
• 35:06
  my gosh.
• 35:07
  Yeah, I know. It's just gonna implode probably, but but mainly Yeah,
• 35:13
  It's gonna create a vortex.
• 35:14
  I know, I know. So mainly it's children's spirits. We hear we hear a lot of laughing
• 35:19
  running up and down. when we're doing our weekend paranormal investigations for like
• 35:25
  you know, our guests and stuff, we always I use an old tape recorder. I build a
• 35:30
  bunch of I have over fifty items that I build for ghost hunting. We'll talk about
• 35:36
  that later, but my go to
• 35:38
  Yeah.
• 35:39
  is just an old tape recorder. And man, we were in the attic area and we were
• 35:43
  recording, played it back, and you hear this, it goes, You hoo. And I mean, it was
• 35:48
  crazy. And then the we were talking about the little boy that was in the attic. And
• 35:53
  someone asked, like, Are you hungry or thirsty? And we rewound it and you heard
• 35:58
  these two voices talking to each other, and they said, They want us They wanna know
• 36:04
  if we're hungry or thirsty. They repeated it, but it was like i it was crazy. So
• 36:09
  That I you know what's really interesting is I've noticed because you've been
• 36:12
  posting the tape recorder and what
• 36:14
  Yeah, yeah.
• 36:15
  you're getting. So I've actually been talking to Jonathan Morgan about bringing some
• 36:17
  old school like I was like, can we get some tapes? And when he's totally down.
• 36:19
  Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:27
  yeah, because I I'm like, I I wonder if we'll get more evidence. Like I wonder what
• 36:31
  the difference between the digital and the, you know, the analog and the tape
• 36:36
  Yeah.
• 36:37
  and the You know, like let's like give it a try. I do want to talk about the little
• 36:53
  boy upstairs because that is the first time that I'd ever heard of a disappointments
• 37:10
  room was because
• 37:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:14
  of you and you telling me about that. Tell me a little bit about, and I know that
• 37:17
  this was featured, this has been featured. You guys have been on, you know, so many
• 37:21
  shows,
• 37:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:24
  but I know and I know they they featured it. But for those that don't know the
• 37:28
  story, tell us a little bit about. discovering the disappo what is you know now as
• 37:32
  the disappointments room. And I do have the photo of one of the things you and
• 37:37
  Makenna Yes.
• 37:38
  the the one I caught? Yes. God. That was a good one.
• 37:42
  So so we'll we'll we'll share that with everybody. But get into the
• 37:46
  Okay.
• 37:47
  disappointment room, yes.
• 37:49
  Alright, so when we first bought the hotel, of course I'm going through all these
• 37:54
  little crawl spots and things trying to find cool things. You know, people hide
• 37:59
  stuff in walls, gold, you know, all kinds of stuff. So that's what I was looking
• 38:04
  for. Well, the attic area here is just insane. It's it's a maze. In fact, I could
• 38:09
  put a whole other hotel up there in the attic, but I'm crawling around up there
• 38:14
  looking for stuff. For the history of the hotel, and I come across this room, it's
• 38:20
  probably about six foot by six foot squared, and there was no entry. So like this is
• 38:25
  weird. I'm looking at the wood and you could see these little square nails piercing
• 38:30
  through, and so I knew, okay, those are hand forged, probably eighteen eighties,
• 38:36
  somewhere around there. Go downstairs and I get my saw, 'cause I I wanna know what's
• 38:41
  in this room. So I get my saw and I cut
• 38:44
  Of course.
• 38:46
  a square out and I look in there and there's nothing in the room. Just an odd room.
• 38:50
  But it did have a little door down at the bottom. And it was like the size of a
• 38:55
  doggy door type thing. And then I noticed behind the room was a little crawl spot. I
• 39:00
  didn't see it at the time because I'm coming from the backside. So I go around the
• 39:05
  side and sure enough, you know, I I'm able to crawl back there into this door. And
• 39:10
  as I'm crawling back there, there's a little corridor that keeps going back, maybe
• 39:15
  about two feet, and then that drops down into the wall. where there used to be a
• 39:20
  staircase. So this whole thing just I was like, what is going on with this room?
• 39:24
  Something is very weird. So the first thing I did was go down to this wall and punch
• 39:29
  a hole and I wanna you know, it's just a sealed off wall. It didn't make any sense.
• 39:34
  Start posting photos, you know, to our guests and friends and people started saying,
• 39:39
  Hey, that's a disappointments room And I'm like, What what's a disappointments room?
• 39:44
  You know, I remember there was a horror movie that w it was okay and it was like,
• 39:49
  but I don't I didn't know what it was. So started looking into it and sure enough
• 39:54
  there's actually like other houses out here that have them. They started coming to
• 39:59
  us and it's a sad story in fact. people built these rooms back in you know, the
• 40:04
  eighteen eighties and and sometimes later, where if they had a child that they were
• 40:09
  disappointed in, could have been anything. You know, nowadays we have simple things
• 40:14
  that nobody even like ADHD, autism, all that stuff, you know. Well, back then, that
• 40:19
  Right.
• 40:19
  was a big disappointment in your child. And if you had company come over, they
• 40:24
  wanted to hide that child from their friends. So up the child went into these
• 40:29
  disappointments rooms is what they were coined. so we're like, well, it does have
• 40:35
  the shape of the disappointments room, it's got the hidden entrance, all of this.
• 40:40
  You know, I started doing my research. Problem is this place has been like thirty
• 40:46
  five different businesses over the past hundred and seventy five years, but nothing
• 40:51
  stood out for a house. And I'm thinking, you know, we live here too. So maybe it was
• 40:57
  that type of situation. However, we found around the same time period of what that
• 41:03
  room would have been built, 1874, in the deed it said a two story fireproof brick
• 41:08
  house lived in by the Hall family. So we're like, okay, looked up this family. And
• 41:14
  sure enough, they bought the hotel after it back half had burned down in the
• 41:19
  eighteen sixties. And they bought it, use it as their two-story house, and they
• 41:25
  lived in it probably a little after the eighteen eighties. So it's very you know
• 41:30
  plausible that they built this room. They did have
• 41:34
  Wow.
• 41:34
  a little boy, of course they wouldn't have posted or not posted, but that it
• 41:36
  wouldn't have been in the newspapers that they built these rooms or anything.
• 41:40
  Of course not.
• 41:42
  so then I decided, okay, let's look at the fire maps. You know, they didn't really
• 41:47
  have blueprints for these buildings. It was mainly fire maps. Look at the fire map,
• 41:52
  and sure enough, where that hole is behind the room, there was a big staircase
• 41:57
  there. around eighteen seventy five. And so they probably built it there and so we
• 42:02
  think we pinpointed the story. Of course, it it's not one hundred percent factual
• 42:07
  because again, there there wouldn't be anything written down or wouldn't be pictures
• 42:13
  or you know. So
• 42:14
  Right.
• 42:14
  the only remnants of it is what's there and you can you know, put all the puzzle
• 42:17
  pieces together and that's pretty much what it is.
• 42:20
  Yeah. Do you guys have a good like archives and genealogy department, like in the
• 42:25
  loc the local library
• 42:27
  No.
• 42:28
  or anything like that that might have like census records or anything? No. Yeah,
• 42:31
  we're lucky here in Macon
• 42:33
  It's awful.
• 42:33
  because we have an yeah, we have an awesome department. But even, you know,
• 42:37
  Yeah.
• 42:37
  with that incredible department, it's when you start getting back in history,
• 42:41
  there's lots of holes, right? Or things that got lost in a fire or whatever,
• 42:45
  flooding or whatever.
• 42:47
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:48
  You know, there's holes and you're relying on people actually accurately documenting
• 42:53
  things. But it's interesting
• 42:55
  Yeah.
• 42:55
  because sometimes I'll find things too, like on a census, you know, sheet where I'm
• 43:00
  like, look at that, even staff,
• 43:02
  Yeah.
• 43:02
  right? Where I'm like, there was a 14-year-old girl who worked in this house and
• 43:05
  lived in this house. Like, but it is a lot of like going down the rabbit hole of
• 43:09
  like how badly sometimes they'll look at me and be like, How badly do you want to
• 43:12
  know this information?
• 43:14
  I know. I know, I know.
• 43:16
  How many hours do you have?
• 43:19
  Yeah.
• 43:21
  and so yeah, well, let's get into this. I think this photo is just fascinating
• 43:27
  because
• 43:28
  I love this photo.
• 43:29
  you and Makenna, your daughter, were up there and you were
• 43:32
  Yes.
• 43:33
  looking to communicate with anyone that may be connected to that space or that room
• 43:38
  or that area of the of the hotel. And what happened?
• 43:42
  Well sorry I had to choose some ice. Okay.
• 43:45
  That's okay.
• 43:47
  We're up in the disappointments room. and I'm kind of looking over at the staircase.
• 44:00
  We're asking typical questions, and while we're doing that, I'm taking photos on my
• 44:13
  phone. Of course it's dark up there, so I'm going through you know, you can it's not
• 44:27
  a photo app, but you can just click edit on your phone and you can adjust the
• 44:39
  brightness. And so I'm snapping a photo, adjusting the brightness. Because I didn't
• 44:53
  want to really use my flash, because that kind of you know it'll drowned out the
• 45:06
  photo and all that. So I'm adjusting the brightness. I'm into like photo number
• 45:18
  five. And McKenna's right beside me. She's looking at what I'm doing. And then I
• 45:31
  adjust the brightness a little more and my face starts to change. And then you can
• 45:45
  see her. And then I almost I kind of started tearing up because you know, if If you
• 45:58
  never had a real experience where you know something is that that's paranormal,
• 46:11
  there's nothing else it
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:16
  could have been, then you start to you know, you're like, my god, this is real and
• 46:20
  your emotions just start taking over. Well that's what happened. And Makenna started
• 46:24
  also seeing that and she saw it and we knew that there was a little boy standing
• 46:28
  there. because this photo was just you got it, yeah, yeah.
• 46:31
  Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it up right now. It blew me away. Yeah.
• 46:38
  yeah. Yep. And you can show some
• 46:40
  And then I have w the one you
• 46:42
  people and that it'll take forever to see it and then others are like, my God. so
• 46:44
  basically what we're looking at, yeah. there we go, yeah.
• 46:46
  Yeah. Well, this is the one. Let me get this one up. This one here. Yeah, you've
• 46:50
  brightened it up a little bit. So that might be easier for some people to see. I
• 46:54
  also see other apparitions in here. Other yeah, there's a lot
• 46:58
  Yeah. In the background, I know.
• 47:00
  more going on than just the little boy, but the little boy actually really breaks my
• 47:04
  heart because he almost it looks to me
• 47:06
  Yeah.
• 47:07
  like his face might be deformed.
• 47:09
  It does right, you know, on that left side there. It's it's crazy.
• 47:12
  Yeah. Like I don't know if yeah, it's like around the mouth. Yeah. And that broke my
• 47:15
  heart where he
• 47:16
  Yeah, you can see his jacket and
• 47:19
  his jacket looks like it's Victorian, like it doesn't it's
• 47:21
  Crazy.
• 47:23
  wild. It's so wild. and my
• 47:26
  Yeah.
• 47:27
  heart just broke that that would have been a a way that he would
• 47:30
  Yeah.
• 47:31
  have been hidden and that he would have been up there and nobody would have come up
• 47:34
  there to see him when he was up there, right?
• 47:37
  Yeah, and he's just like staring at us like he's just peering up that hole, like,
• 47:40
  What are you guys doing? it I mean it's
• 47:42
  Yeah. It is the wildest picture. Yeah. And you're right, because sometimes I've
• 47:45
  shown people and they're like, I don't see it. I'm like, it's right there.
• 47:49
  Yeah. I know. Yeah, it's so clear once you get it, it's just you're like, my gosh,
• 47:55
  this is crazy. so that's the photo we saw and and I mean there was no denying there
• 48:02
  was there was an apparition there.
• 48:05
  It yeah, I'll go back to the other one.
• 48:07
  I I couldn't see it with my own eyes of
• 48:09
  Yeah. I
• 48:10
  course 'cause it was dark. I I wonder if I could've you know, if I I wish but in the
• 48:12
  moment you're just not thinking that, you know.
• 48:14
  Right. Well, and that's the that's the thing with evidence. Like there's times that
• 48:18
  you do see things with your eyes, but then there's other things times where it's
• 48:22
  only on the equipment, where you're like, we were all there, none of us saw this,
• 48:26
  but
• 48:27
  Yeah, exactly.
• 48:28
  it's on the equipment. It's like, you know, it just depends on what equipment and
• 48:33
  what cameras and what it picked up, you know. but it's such an amazing capture. And
• 48:39
  it just to know the story of you discovering that room and realizing what that room
• 48:45
  was. and the type of child that would be hidden in that room and then to see that
• 48:51
  image, I I I mean, it's just wow. Have you had any contact with this child since
• 48:57
  since this?
• 48:58
  yeah. you know, I think that that's the child that's up there with with the yoohoo
• 49:04
  that we heard live. we we've had many guests see him. now the thing is kinda hard to
• 49:11
  tell the hair color from that photo, but there is a a story of a little boy, I saw
• 49:17
  him once, and he had red hair. And when we first bought the hotel, we stayed in
• 49:24
  what's now the doll room, it wasn't at the time, but you know, we stayed
• 49:30
  Right.
• 49:30
  in that room. There was a piece of trash on the floor, and I went down to pick it up
• 49:34
  and I saw movement in the mirror in front of me and I look and I see this little
• 49:38
  redheaded boy do this. He's behind the bed and then he just peered down. Of course
• 49:43
  by the time I turned around he was gone. Well the other cool thing is like there was
• 49:47
  this lady I was talking to this a couple of years later on the stairs and she said,
• 49:52
  Hey, Or I'm talk I'm telling her a story, you could tell she wasn't really into it.
• 49:56
  And I said, Is everything all right? And she's like, Yeah, but your son asked me to
• 50:00
  come show him something. He wanted me to see something. I said, Okay. I'm like, Why
• 50:05
  would Anthony Anth, you know, I have my son Jackson, who is now, God, fifteen, and
• 50:09
  then we have my older son that lives here, he's twenty four. I thought she was
• 50:13
  talking about the twenty four year old. Well then she said,
• 50:17
  Right.
• 50:18
  Is he, you know, really young and he has red hair? And I'm like, No I don't have a
• 50:22
  son that has red hair, first off, but where was this? So we pull the footage and
• 50:26
  this lady is talking to nobody by herself in the hallway. Yes. yeah. So she's
• 50:30
  In the footage? my gosh.
• 50:33
  down there by the the front desk just looking down and and sh she freaked out when
• 50:37
  she saw that. Well then we had some guests staying downstairs and this was funny
• 50:42
  because they're at We get a lot of couples here where one of them's not into the
• 50:46
  paranormal. Well, it was her husband that's not into the paranormal. So he stayed in
• 50:51
  the room. It was about midnight and I saw them leave. So I said message says, Is
• 50:56
  everything all right? And she's like, I'll tell you tomorrow. So I call her. She
• 51:00
  said she went out the back door to smoke or something, and her husband was still in
• 51:05
  the room and he heard like banging against the wall. So he opened the door. And
• 51:09
  there was this little redheaded boy sitting in a chair in front of his door kicking
• 51:14
  the the wall. And he's like, Hey, it's midnight. Where are your parents at? And he
• 51:19
  didn't answer him. Sure enough, his wife comes through the door about the time and
• 51:23
  he turns and he's like, doing this. And she goes, What are you doing? And when he
• 51:28
  turned back, there was nobody there. And he had never had an experience, didn't
• 51:32
  believe in it, and he was so mad about it they left. So I thought that was funny
• 51:37
  too. But yeah, so I I think
• 51:39
  my gosh my gosh.
• 51:44
  I think it's the little redheaded boy that i you see him all over, I've seen him,
• 51:49
  and I think that was him. And I because we we haven't really seen any like female
• 51:54
  little girl spirits or anything like that. we see the bride every once in a while in
• 52:00
  photos, but mainly it's this little boy. So I wish I knew his name.
• 52:05
  Interesting. Yeah. I thought that there was a photo I saw one time from before you
• 52:10
  owned it where it looked maybe like a little girl down the hall. I have to r have
• 52:16
  you seen that?
• 52:17
  Yeah. there are there are some since from from before. In fact we dug one up. It's
• 52:23
  like she had a dress on and
• 52:25
  Yeah.
• 52:26
  it was down by the front lobby and so I haven't personally seen any, but there are I
• 52:30
  mean, you know, the stories are way beyond when we owned it. So it's plausible.
• 52:35
  of course. there's so much history in that building and and you
• 52:38
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  know, the land and you could just think of the layers and the just the different
• 52:43
  uses that building has had, right? It's
• 52:46
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  i it's in it's incredible.
• 52:50
  It's one of those things where I'll walk by some of these rooms, you know, just
• 52:55
  'cause we live here, I'm walking by and you can look in there and almost see scenes.
• 53:01
  You can feel the scenes of like what were going on and sometimes, especially room
• 53:07
  two down here, it gets so heavy sometimes where it's like these arms just reach out
• 53:12
  and grab me and pull me in. Something bad happened in that room. We've had several
• 53:18
  people on the tours pass out, cry. just unexpectingly get sick and it's always that
• 53:24
  room, no other room. And
• 53:26
  Interesting.
• 53:27
  it's right below the basement again or above the the basement again. So I don't
• 53:32
  know. But it's yeah, it's definitely it's one of those things where that room and
• 53:38
  room zero, two, and nineteen are like our major hotspots for that.
• 53:43
  Well, let's go back to the doll room though, because I've seen some video not only
• 53:45
  from you, but
• 53:46
  Yeah. yeah.
• 53:49
  also from guests that have posted
• 53:51
  Yeah.
• 53:52
  experiences that they've had in the doll room, which first of all is freaky
• 53:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:56
  in itself. now,
• 53:58
  Yes.
• 53:58
  let me I'm gonna find this. Here we go. hello.
• 54:04
  yeah.
• 54:06
  First of all, Little
• 54:06
  Yep.
• 54:07
  Miss Rollers over here. I think
• 54:09
  Yeah.
• 54:10
  sometimes she f gets pushed over or falls over or
• 54:13
  all the time, yeah.
• 54:14
  she moves around. There's and there's probably this photo's from a few years ago
• 54:17
  that I had. so there's probably even more dolls in here now.
• 54:20
  Yeah. There's way more dolls in there now. Yeah. Yeah, there she's got a
• 54:25
  Yes, yeah.
• 54:26
  friend now that sits stands behind beside her and the walls are covered. we get a
• 54:31
  lot of dolls donated. It's funny, I'll open my door and there's a box of dolls here
• 54:36
  and s I won't know why or some of will get will have signs attached to they're like,
• 54:41
  This ha doll is haunted, we don't want it, you know, so I I'll take it. But
• 54:46
  Please take this from us. Well, speaking of one particular haunted doll, we have we
• 54:48
  can't talk about the doll room in the hotel without talking about Eddie, right?
• 54:50
  Eddie is very, he's kind of famous, you know. He's he's been on some shows. Here,
• 54:52
  I've got a picture. There he is.
• 54:53
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He is, yeah, yeah. Yeah. yeah, he's creepy.
• 55:03
  I mean, what problem could this little guy get into? I mean, come on, you know? So
• 55:05
  Eddie,
• 55:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:09
  Eddie moves on his own. Yes.
• 55:11
  Yeah. So when we first got Eddie, we had a little doll section at our old house. And
• 55:16
  so we were at an antique store. My dad actually found him and said, Hey, check this
• 55:21
  doll out. It was a nineteen sixty four doll. and he stands up on his own. So when I
• 55:26
  got home that night, I stood him up in our doll section, went to bed, woke up
• 55:30
  hungry, went out to the kitchen. And I heard movement which sounded like plastic.
• 55:35
  Well, Eddie was the only plastic doll I had at that time, so I was joking around.
• 55:40
  Don't ever do this if you have a haunted doll. But I said, Eddie, if that's you, can
• 55:46
  you move? And sure enough, I'm staring at him and his whole body just kinda
• 55:50
  articulated like this towards me. And I froze because I wasn't sure if I was
• 55:55
  hallucinating. And I ran to our bedroom. And immediately pulled up the footage
• 56:00
  'cause, you know, we had all these antiques in our house too, so we had cameras in
• 56:05
  our living room area also. And I zoom in and this doll just moves right when I said
• 56:10
  that. So I wake my wife up at four in the morning. I'm like, babe, you gotta ch you
• 56:15
  gotta see this, check this out. And so then I posted that on YouTube and my friends
• 56:20
  were like, Hey, can we come over and investigate with Eddie? And he's moved probably
• 56:25
  ten, fifteen times since then. but that was the major one that I think they were on
• 56:30
  It was the show with the Ghost Brothers and Jack Osborne, you know, on the Travel
• 56:35
  Channel. He he ended up on there. Yeah, Fright Club, that's
• 56:39
  Yeah. Fright club, I think. Yeah.
• 56:43
  it. Yeah, he was on there twice and so yeah, I get a lot of guests wanting to
• 56:47
  investigate with Eddie and they get some pretty cool stuff.
• 56:51
  I bet. Do you do do people get to take him out and on on an adventure in the hotel
• 56:55
  if they do they get to check him out like a lo like a library like a library?
• 56:59
  Yeah. Well they used to until someone took him to the donut store and I panicked
• 57:06
  'cause I thought he got stolen, right? And
• 57:10
  Right.
• 57:10
  they're like, We're just taking him and I'm like, No, no. So no, he stays locked up
• 57:13
  unless we get a lot of frequent guests, like sometimes we get guests that come every
• 57:17
  weekend, you know, that live an hour away or whatever and so we'll
• 57:20
  Wow. Yeah.
• 57:22
  let those guests, you know. If you become a we call hotelians. If you become a
• 57:25
  hotelian,
• 57:26
  The hotelians. Yeah.
• 57:29
  Then you you can play with Eddie, but yeah. It's it's pretty cool.
• 58:27
  He's a special he's a special character. Yeah, he's got he's got quite
• 58:29
  He is.
• 58:31
  he should have his own IMDb page at this point.
• 58:34
  Well he's got yeah, he could. So he's got his name came from a a spirit box, my
• 58:38
  Poltercom that I made when so we were trying to get his name and Eddie just kept
• 58:43
  coming up over and over, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, so we're like, all right, that's his
• 58:49
  name Eddie. But it it makes me wonder, like, are different spirits able to take over
• 58:54
  his vessel? Or is it just one spirit, you know? That's kind of the weird thing with
• 58:59
  Eddie, I don't know. So
• 59:01
  That's interesting. So and I don't know the answer to that, but I think that when
• 59:06
  I've talked to people that have haunted dolls in particular, and I've known a few
• 59:12
  people actually, it's always been one spirit that has kind of occupied that, you
• 59:17
  know, that vessel. So
• 59:19
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 59:21
  I don't know. Are there times that they rotate through? Or if a spirit vacates, does
• 59:27
  someone else move in? I don't know. That's an interesting question.
• 59:32
  Yeah, I think you know, just I think it's plausible. You you gotta think that
• 59:36
  Yeah.
• 59:38
  if that's the vessel they can take over. 'Cause I've had several dolls in that doll
• 59:42
  room move. Some pretty incredible accounts too of guests that have shown me where
• 59:47
  I'm like questioning that they faked it. that that's how good it is. But then when I
• 59:51
  asked for the footage of this one particular piece, this this doll that we keep up
• 59:56
  against the wall 'cause she's real creepy looking.
• 59:59
  Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  She they left a camera in the doll room, went out to eat, came back, and they're
• 1:00:06
  like, I gotta show you this footage. And and I and and it's this doll, and she's
• 1:00:11
  she's peering out like this, looking you know, for somebody. And I have a camera
• 1:00:17
  aimed at the doll room, you know, the door. Nobody went
• 1:00:21
  Yes.
• 1:00:21
  into that room after this guy left, and man, it was some good footage. And this same
• 1:00:26
  doll last weekend, I let some people in the doll room to investigate. The same doll
• 1:00:31
  was up against the wall. And this footage is funny 'cause this guy screams like he's
• 1:00:36
  he's so scared. But it it's leaned up against the wall and it fell back and landed
• 1:00:41
  on him and he wasn't near it. You could see the footage. It's kinda crazy. I'll send
• 1:00:46
  it to you later. But so that
• 1:00:48
  Yeah, wow.
• 1:00:49
  doll also may be a vessel for something, but there's several in there.
• 1:00:55
  Well, and who knows? It's like a you know, a gathering of gu who knows what? Like of
• 1:00:59
  these
• 1:01:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  orphan dolls that you've inherited and picked up and bought.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:01:06
  They might be having a whole meeting, you know, at night when no one's in there.
• 1:01:10
  They might be
• 1:01:11
  Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  gathering to I don't know what, planning to take over the hotel. Who did just who
• 1:01:12
  knows? They d they start running down the hall. You're gonna catch it if they do,
• 1:01:13
  you know. So
• 1:01:14
  I Yeah, as long as they don't move, learn to walk, we're good. Yeah, no. Yeah, no.
• 1:01:24
  There's that, but
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. people always ask me like when is it w when is enough enough? What's gonna
• 1:01:30
  make you move out? Well that'll do it, you know. Yeah, yeah. Do you hear that?
• 1:01:35
  The dolls running down the hall. When there's exactly when there's an army of dolls
• 1:01:42
  running down the hall,
• 1:01:44
  Yes.
• 1:01:45
  that might be the end. But
• 1:01:46
  Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  well, I mean, there's been so many other things that most people, well, and many
• 1:01:52
  have run out, but even naked. You've had people leave naked.
• 1:01:56
  yeah. Yeah yeah. We've seen leaving towels. I've seen damn near naked out in our
• 1:02:01
  balcony. this was one this happened in room thirteen, the room that I was telling
• 1:02:06
  you about. she heard some noise and we're downstairs. It's about midnight also. And
• 1:02:12
  she heard some noise and I heard a scream, and so I run up there and she's locked
• 1:02:18
  herself out in the balcony. She won't come in like and she's in a towel. So Like,
• 1:02:23
  what is going on? She's like, Come out here. And so I did. And she goes, I heard
• 1:02:29
  footsteps and I'm already scared. And so I opened the door and there's this man
• 1:02:34
  coming toward coming towards me. And he looked kind of hunched back and like his
• 1:02:39
  feet weren't all there. And I'm like, the hell? And I knew my you know my dad lives
• 1:02:45
  here too. So I was thinking maybe she saw him. But then she said,
• 1:02:50
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:02:51
  What happened was as he got closer His l his kneecaps is hard to describe, but his
• 1:02:56
  kneecaps were at floor level. They looked at each other and he went through the
• 1:03:01
  wall. And so she knew what she saw. So she panicked. they checked out early. And
• 1:03:06
  what I thought was interesting about that was we have two floors upstairs. The main
• 1:03:12
  floor is the skating rink floor that they put in in like nineteen seven. And then
• 1:03:17
  below that, this place was built as a cotton warehouse in eighteen fifty one. So
• 1:03:22
  About two or three feet below that is another floor. So this man was probably
• 1:03:27
  walking on that floor that he's used to when he was alive or is still alive. I don't
• 1:03:32
  know, you know, how that works, but so that yeah, but they were in towels, so that's
• 1:03:38
  kinda funny they do leave.
• 1:03:40
  I was gonna ask you that because I know that there because it's been so many
• 1:03:43
  different things, that there's like gaps, like there's like like negative space in
• 1:03:47
  between the floors.
• 1:03:48
  Mm-hmm. yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Cause of course you've crawled through all of it. and I thought, really?
• 1:03:53
  Yes. Yeah. There well there's still some spots I haven't been in. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:03:57
  they're there's they're they're paneled up and really narrow, hard for me to get in,
• 1:04:01
  but I can shine a light through and you can see w rooms behind it with all the
• 1:04:06
  wallpaper and everything. It's it's pretty cool. But even if I tear the wall down, I
• 1:04:10
  can't crawl through this particular point. The only way to get through it is from
• 1:04:14
  the brick on the outside. It's it's pretty crazy how some of these rooms are just
• 1:04:19
  boarded up.
• 1:04:20
  Have you like sort of snaked down some cameras and things down
• 1:04:23
  Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  and kinda of course you have.
• 1:04:27
  Well, the first time I did that, I came across the it was a creepiest looking skull.
• 1:04:31
  And it just hit the skull and was like, my god and I pulled back a little bit and it
• 1:04:36
  was like a family of owls. So I don't know if you ever seen owls like skeleton
• 1:04:40
  structure. It's pretty cool
• 1:04:42
  No ne
• 1:04:44
  looking. I have it up there, I pulled them out and yeah, so there was like a family
• 1:04:49
  of owls in the wall. There's no telling. I I wish I could just get in these walls,
• 1:04:55
  but Majority of are so thick or they're surrounded by brick or you know so
• 1:05:00
  Right. Yeah. Well, I I that reminded me of a story of when you first moved in and
• 1:05:05
  you guys discovered this. I don't know if you can see the doll. Yes. Tell us about
• 1:05:11
  yeah. yeah, that's that's Rose. Yeah. Yeah so
• 1:05:17
  about this, because that's not creepy.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah, yeah. So I think this was the first year we moved in and behind that door
• 1:05:24
  right there that you're looking at is our electrical room. Well, there's a little
• 1:05:29
  hole cut out, a little access panel to get to some pipes and things and this was
• 1:05:34
  actually prior to us owning the hotel. It was kinda cool because the bank knew we
• 1:05:39
  were super interested and I said, Hey, is there any way we can stay the night on the
• 1:05:44
  weekends and just get this place going? before we buy it and you know if I fix up
• 1:05:50
  things for the next owner or whatever, but it helps us get going. So we stay the
• 1:05:55
  night this one weekend and I noticed down in this hole behind that door there's
• 1:06:00
  leaking water. So I tell my daughter Makenna I said, hey, take the snake camera,
• 1:06:05
  hold it down there, and I'm gonna go in the backside and turn off some valves. You
• 1:06:10
  tell me when the water turns off. So she does, puts that snake camera down there.
• 1:06:15
  And she comes across this face and she runs in and she's like, I see a face and I'm
• 1:06:21
  like, Makenna, you know, I'm all upset 'cause I'm trying to do a project and so she
• 1:06:26
  takes me over there and I look down there and sure enough this doll was hidden
• 1:06:31
  between the two floors back about four or five feet and we pulled out and like and
• 1:06:36
  we got all this on camera too, that's what's pretty cool. 'cause I was videoing for
• 1:06:42
  the bank to show all this, you know, damage and stuff and So we got it on camera,
• 1:06:47
  pulled the doll out, and written on the back of the doll it said Rose and so R O S R
• 1:06:52
  R O S E. So I'm not sure if that was like the name of the doll or person that owned
• 1:06:58
  it or whatever, but whoever it is, it's still there. We we put it a couple of feet
• 1:07:03
  in front of where Rose was found, just just in case. Yeah.
• 1:07:07
  I love it. Just in case. I know. You just want to leave Rose where where she is.
• 1:07:12
  Well, you know,
• 1:07:14
  Yeah. Yeah, we don't
• 1:07:16
  I think it's just it's so wild because I I I and we've talked about this personally
• 1:07:20
  before. It's like your life had there the paranormal has really been a thread
• 1:07:24
  through through your
• 1:07:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:26
  life. And I know when we met 13 years ago, I was developing a show and we came in to
• 1:07:32
  see you and your team in Dallas. And
• 1:07:35
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:36
  You were investigating, you were also storm chasing, you had your
• 1:07:40
  Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  car like all gacked out with cool things and gadgets and things. And I know you
• 1:07:46
  still watch the the skies. I see your posts.
• 1:07:49
  yeah, always.
• 1:07:51
  always. but it's just it's just so it's so wild that you ended up owning and living
• 1:07:57
  in this very haunted
• 1:07:59
  Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  location, although it seems very serendipitous, right?
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, it does, yeah.
• 1:08:03
  To own this property, you really have to be a special, unique kind of people, right?
• 1:08:08
  Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It I would have never thought as a kid, you know, growing up
• 1:08:13
  that I would this was this is where I'd end up. I'm glad I did. This is awesome. You
• 1:08:19
  know, this is anybody's dream having this, you know, hotel and everything. But it
• 1:08:24
  all just came back in a big circle 'cause as a child, young, you know, six months
• 1:08:29
  old, I've been told, I don't remember, but you know, I I've had paranormal
• 1:08:34
  experiences then. all the way through my childhood, growing up, and eventually I
• 1:08:39
  became an electrical engineer. And then I started thinking, you know, I can build
• 1:08:45
  these, you know, I was also still interested in the paranormal. So I'm like, I can
• 1:08:50
  build some pretty cool stuff that would I might as well merge my two, you know,
• 1:08:55
  passions together. So I started building this equipment. to try to in the beginning
• 1:09:01
  it was more, you know, ghost hunting has shifted quite a bit from the last twenty
• 1:09:06
  years. you know, we're
• 1:09:08
  Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  talking 2003, I think, is when I started dabbling around in this. And big time, you
• 1:09:15
  know, as far as joining a team. I I was in it before then, but I had a team and
• 1:09:21
  things back then, and so back then it was more you go to people's houses that try to
• 1:09:27
  help them figure out what's going on, right? And
• 1:09:31
  Right.
• 1:09:31
  so I would go in these houses and maybe they were experienced cold spots or
• 1:09:35
  whatever. And when you're showing most of the time back then there wasn't any ghost
• 1:09:40
  hunting equipment, it was like meters from Home Depot and stuff, right? So when
• 1:09:45
  you're trying to show these your clients what's going on in their house, they're not
• 1:09:50
  gonna know what all these numbers mean on a meter or any of that. So I'm like, I
• 1:09:55
  need to develop things that is simple to to see on camera and and whatever. So my
• 1:10:00
  first Piece was like it's called the temperoscope. It basically detected ambient
• 1:10:05
  free-floating cold spots. And when a cold spot went over it, blue light would pop on
• 1:10:10
  super easy. Because the night before at this house, we were all experienced this
• 1:10:15
  cold spot and we could follow it around. And but you can't visually show that. So I
• 1:10:20
  went back
• 1:10:21
  Right.
• 1:10:21
  the next day and built all these pods, and sure enough, boom, boom, you could see
• 1:10:25
  the path that this cold spot was taking. So I'm like, man, we that that was we've
• 1:10:29
  got something here. I'm gonna start developing more equipment. And so then I started
• 1:10:34
  developing this equipment. And at the time we were this is when Ghost Hunters was on
• 1:10:39
  their first season. Remember Ghost Hunters, you know, they're still
• 1:10:43
  Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  on now but We bec they got so popular so quick that they had to do what's called
• 1:10:49
  TAPS family teams. What that meant was if they had people were emailing, I need you
• 1:10:54
  to come to our house and do this, you know, right? So they found teams in Texas that
• 1:10:59
  they could take their caseload and if they saw it deemed, you know, then they would
• 1:11:05
  come down and do it. So anyway, I became a TAPS family team, my team did. And they
• 1:11:10
  started seeing all this cool equipment. Like, what is this? You know, and I so I
• 1:11:15
  started sending them some stuff and kind of, you know, then it showed up on on air
• 1:11:20
  there. And then that's what actually drew us to Jefferson early on, because they had
• 1:11:25
  a paranormal convention out here. And I brought my equipment out and just showcases.
• 1:11:31
  It was never for sale. I was still an engineer. wasn't interested in making money
• 1:11:36
  off of it. But this guy came to my booth and he's like, Hey, what is all this and
• 1:11:41
  and can I buy it? And like, no, sorry, man, it's just for my team. I don't really
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  reproduce it. And he goes, So if I gave you two thousand dollars right now, you
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  wouldn't be able to sell it. And I'm like, well So he bought the whole table. Yeah.
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  I might be able to. Wow.
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  And I'm like, man. So that's what started it all off here in Jefferson. And Yeah.
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  I'm gonna pull up some of these. here we go. Look at so Paranologies. This is the
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  company. And
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  definitely there's some things here that people will recognize if they watch the the
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  Yeah.
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  you know, ghost hunting shows. They've they've
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  Yeah.
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  definitely seen these. and we have a couple too that we use from time to time when
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  we investigate. But what I love about your equipment, Jeromy, is that. First of all,
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  it it's, you know, from your mind of an engineer and also as a as a longtime
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  investigator. And so each of it's very s focused on what evidence it's trying to
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  capture, but it also looks so darn cool.
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  Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I want it to be, you know, not just some flashy box
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  with an LED. You can you can see a lot of my styles merge with our antique
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  collection, you know, the Victorian Gothic. And so that's kinda where all that came
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  from.
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  Yes steampunk, you know, yeah.
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  I've been immersed in this collection my entire life, so kinda came out through my
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  designs. so that's Another people like on TV too 'cause they're they look cool and
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  so that that really helps you know, helps me sell them too, 'cause it a lot of
• 1:13:19
  people just buy and they sit you should see some of my customers. They have all
• 1:13:24
  fifty of my items in like a shrine. I can name like ten people right now. So it
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  doesn't matter
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  what I put out, they just buy because they like for the art. you know. But
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  Sure. And if people come and stay in the hotel, are they able to like check these
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  out or rent them or do you have equipment there
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  Yeah.
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  that they can use? perfect.
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  Yeah, it's funny 'cause like this one piece up there on the top right, the polter
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  box, that's a new piece I just built. It is the craziest the s it's it's the most
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  sensitive microphone you'll ever hear. It you can You can be in a room. You could
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  set this piece in the room. it has a Bluetooth adapter and have a speaker attached
• 1:14:05
  to it and go into another room, shut all the doors and whisper in that room and
• 1:14:09
  you'll hear it. It I mean, it is just crazy. It's like entering another dimension
• 1:14:14
  when you have this on. But anyway, so I
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  Right.
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  had one, my first prototype was a couple weeks ago and I rent all this stuff out
• 1:14:24
  yeah at the hotel, but generally I sell out people buy end up buying it so We have a
• 1:14:30
  little paranormal, you know, gift shop thing here where we rent out that equipment
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  too.
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  Perfect. And then people can go online and order it as well if they're not in the
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  area.
• 1:14:40
  Yeah, it's it's crazy 'cause now, you know, back when that customer bought all
• 1:14:45
  those, you know, in Jefferson now, that's when I started thinking, Well, I can sell
• 1:14:51
  this stuff. So then I started off on eBay and it was killing it. I was like, my god,
• 1:14:57
  this is crazy and even my bosses in my job were like, Hey, we see you coming in
• 1:15:02
  late, what's going on? I'm like, I they kinda knew what I was in, you know, the
• 1:15:08
  paranormal but It got to the point where my you know my engineering job eBay was
• 1:15:14
  surpassing that, like in sales. And so I had to make a I was like, my God, I'm gonna
• 1:15:19
  have to make this leap. If I'm I'm quitting an engineering job to go f for eBay
• 1:15:25
  shit. Well, I did and I never looked back, you know, it w it was pretty crazy. So
• 1:15:31
  that took off and then I built the website. And at one point I had 50 items for
• 1:15:36
  sale. We were doing probably I was building by hand, me and my wife, because I
• 1:15:42
  taught Pam how to do it. In our garage, probably we were shipping 100 to 150 items a
• 1:15:48
  week. It it got crazy. And of course, this was before AI, before 3D printers, all of
• 1:15:54
  that. And so we were I was what's called vacuum molding. So I would make the design
• 1:16:00
  out of wood. And we were taking plastic, heating it up, molding it over it, cutting
• 1:16:05
  it out. Like it was pretty cool. Those old pieces go for quite some good money too.
• 1:16:11
  I see them on eBay every once in a while. But,
• 1:16:15
  Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  you know, then then three D printers came out and it helped out. But the problem now
• 1:16:20
  is, man, anybody which it's good and bad. It it's good because anybody can make
• 1:16:25
  anything with three D printers with AI, they can code their own stuff. That's what
• 1:16:29
  luckily I got out 'cause I was a logic systems engineer. And so I did all the
• 1:16:34
  coding, right? Now you can ask
• 1:16:36
  Right.
• 1:16:37
  AI, hey, code this for me. So my job is gone. But
• 1:16:42
  Right.
• 1:16:43
  luckily this all shifted. But but it's good because people if you make your own
• 1:16:48
  equipment and it's something new, it pushes the you know, the the field forward.
• 1:16:54
  Because I'm all I'm all for making new designs, you know. That's what's gonna
• 1:17:00
  Right.
• 1:17:01
  get more answers and But God, it's it's kinda gotten washed out. You see the same
• 1:17:06
  designs and different and it's kinda drive me nuts. So I've made it my own personal
• 1:17:11
  thing where I don't ever copy anybody. All my stuff is original designs. It always
• 1:17:16
  has been. I've been copied. I've got patents on stuff. It doesn't matter. People
• 1:17:22
  Right.
• 1:17:23
  can change one thing and that patent, you know. So what
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  Right. Right. Well, I don't I've never seen equipment that looks like your
• 1:17:29
  equipment. And then it's definitely
• 1:17:31
  Good. Okay.
• 1:17:33
  identifiable. When I see someone pull something out, I'm like,
• 1:17:36
  Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  that's Paranologies. That's Jeromy Jones right there. Yeah.
• 1:17:38
  Yeah, yeah. Well, we and you know, COVID hit in twenty twenty. This is right before
• 1:17:42
  we bought the hotel, and we were just Paranologies was killing it. We were, you
• 1:17:47
  know, on all the shows. We were I had all the equipment out. Well, of course, that
• 1:17:52
  hit and most of my parts came from China. Well, that was all shut down. So I had to
• 1:17:57
  shut my store down for like seven months, told everybody, Hey, sorry, you know, I
• 1:18:02
  gotta shut down if you have a pre existing order, which we had 200 orders in
• 1:18:06
  pending. I said, you know, I'll refund you. And most
• 1:18:10
  my gosh.
• 1:18:13
  of the people were like, hold on, you know, whatever. So we paused the store. This
• 1:18:17
  was Shopify. I
• 1:18:18
  Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  open it up again in July and all my freaking orders are gone. Zero orders. And I'm
• 1:18:22
  like, I go to Shopify, I'm like, hey, I paused it. I didn't cancel it. And they're
• 1:18:27
  like, I know we had a data thing. And so I have two hundred customers just all over
• 1:18:32
  online. He's a scammer. He's this. He's that. Right. And so it's
• 1:18:36
  no yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:39
  taken me till now, finally, to open the store to get all that resolved because it
• 1:18:42
  was awful. God, it was awful. And so Yeah. So Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
• 1:18:45
  my gosh. that's horrible. And that's it. Then you get the bad reputation where
• 1:18:48
  people think you're just being a scammer and you know, 'cause the par paranormal
• 1:18:52
  world in itself has kind of got some characters and there's there's there's some
• 1:18:56
  stories of people getting ripped off and so forth, but you're
• 1:18:59
  Yeah.
• 1:19:03
  you definitely are like that that was not me. That's not what happened.
• 1:19:06
  No, I mean I had a I I've had fifteen years of that business prior to this all
• 1:19:11
  Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  happening and and what's funny is like I still have every once in a I have you
• 1:19:16
  didn't give me and so I would go on Facebook and like who didn't get their order?
• 1:19:21
  And
• 1:19:22
  Right.
• 1:19:22
  I would show live, like, here, Cash App. I gave you know, so I would refund them
• 1:19:26
  live and like so that got a little better. I think I think now I'm finally caught
• 1:19:30
  up, but it's it's mainly And I put this big bulletin on the website. It's mainly
• 1:19:35
  people didn't read and they just didn't get the
• 1:19:38
  Right.
• 1:19:38
  product and but anyway, we're good now. Everything, you know, I'm I'm starting to
• 1:19:40
  develop again, which is where my passion is. So Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  You're back. Yeah. I love it. You're back. Your and your workshop is I don't have a
• 1:19:48
  photo of it handy, but it's crazy. It's like, yeah, it's insane. and what's really
• 1:19:53
  wild to me, just sort of thinking about how you came to Jefferson, you weren't
• 1:19:58
  selling the equipment. Someone said, I'll buy all of it.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  And the equipment was a big reason or or just the the financials, you know, reward
• 1:20:07
  of selling it w played
• 1:20:09
  yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  a big part in you. buying the hotel in Jefferson. So it's it's it's very interesting
• 1:20:12
  how that all came to be. Little did you know at that table that day that you're
• 1:20:13
  like, one day this equipment is
• 1:20:14
  yeah. Yep. It's cra yeah, isn't that weird? Yeah. I know. Yep. gosh. yeah.
• 1:20:26
  gonna get me a building in this in this same same town.
• 1:20:28
  Yeah, I know. It is so weird to think about just how everything lines up in life
• 1:20:33
  'cause there's no way. Just looking back at some old videos when we came here, I'm
• 1:20:38
  like, one day I'm gonna be living in that room and yeah, no. Yeah. So strange.
• 1:20:43
  And running that business. Yeah. It's so wild. Well, Jeromy thank you so much for
• 1:20:49
  sharing
• 1:20:50
  Yeah.
• 1:20:50
  these stories. I'm sure we'll talk to you again. And please come back when you have
• 1:20:52
  some fun things to share. I am
• 1:20:53
  Yeah. Definitely. I will.
• 1:20:57
  going to share the link to the website and Paranologies
• 1:21:00
  Okay.
• 1:21:02
  and all the ways that they can watch and get to you. in the show notes. So if you're
• 1:21:06
  listening, first of all, you gotta watch the video because you gotta see see what
• 1:21:10
  we've been talking about. But also I will make sure that you can stay connected with
• 1:21:14
  Jeromy and the hotel and and check in, hopefully, if you dare. Yeah. You'll you I
• 1:21:18
  hope they're not on the the the list of them running out. But
• 1:21:21
  Yeah. You'll be on that list. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Jeromy, thank you so much. And
• 1:21:31
  Yeah, no, thank you.
• 1:21:32
  I look forward to catching up with you again soon. And gosh, who knows? Who knows
• 1:21:40
  what experiences
• 1:21:42
  Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  you'll have for us next time.
• 1:21:45
  Yeah, well I appreciate it.
• 1:21:46
  There's something I kept thinking about during my conversation with Jeromy. For
• 1:21:51
  someone who lives surrounded by the unexplained, he spends remarkably little time
• 1:21:57
  being afraid of it. When something happens at the hotel, his instinct is to
• 1:22:02
  investigate, to check the cameras, to look for patterns, to ask what might have
• 1:22:08
  caused it. And when the answer isn't immediately obvious, he keeps looking. Maybe
• 1:22:14
  that's the engineer in him. Maybe it's the paranormal investigator. Or maybe after a
• 1:22:20
  lifetime of experiences he couldn't always explain. Jeromy has simply become
• 1:22:26
  comfortable saying, I don't know. And I think there's something valuable in that.
• 1:22:31
  Because investigating the paranormal isn't only about finding evidence that confirms
• 1:22:38
  what we already believe. Sometimes it's about being willing to follow the evidence
• 1:22:43
  where it leads, and being just as interested in the questions that remain
• 1:22:49
  unanswered. There are still plenty of those inside the Jefferson Palace Hotel. More
• 1:22:55
  than a hundred cameras are watching. Guests are still adding their experiences to
• 1:23:01
  the Book of the Dead. And somewhere beneath the hotel, six sealed rooms are still
• 1:23:06
  waiting to be explored. Something tells me Jeromy won't leave them sealed forever.
• 1:23:12
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• 1:23:18
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• 1:23:24
  history, and the mysteries that echo throughout the South. Until next time, stay
• 1:23:30
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