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EP359: Dr. Matt Kutz - EPIC Mindset · Respark Your Life

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Speaker 1: An epic mindset is being excellent, being perceptive, being inspired and being compassionate.
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Speaker 2: EPIC.
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Speaker 3: Yes, this is Raymond Aaron, founder and interviewer of re-spark your life, where I bring you some
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Speaker 3: stealth wisdom that you could never find on your own.
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Speaker 3: And today I'm bringing you Dr. Matt Coots,
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Speaker 3: a PhD in global leadership, award-winning author,
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Speaker 3: award-winning educator, researcher, and speaker.
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Speaker 3: Matt is most excited about being a husband,
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Speaker 3: a dad, a grandpa, and in his spare time
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Speaker 3: is insanely passionate about helping you gain perspective
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Speaker 3: and overcome the adversity and uncertainty that life brings.
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Speaker 3: He does that through, wait for this,
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Speaker 3: he does that through helping you to develop
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Speaker 3: an epic mindset, whatever that is, I'm gonna ask him,
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Speaker 3: and practice contextual intelligence, never heard of it,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask him about that,
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Speaker 3: and 3D thinking, never heard of that.
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Speaker 3: So stay tuned because I'm gonna learn
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Speaker 3: right along with you.
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Speaker 3: Matt, are you here?
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Speaker 3: I am here and thanks so much Raymond for having me.
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Speaker 3: - Well, let's dig right into it.
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Speaker 3: What on earth is an Epic Mindset?
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Speaker 1: - An Epic Mindset is the attitude you carry with you
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Speaker 1: based on four, what I call Epic Maxims.
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Speaker 1: And Epic obviously can represent many things.
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Speaker 1: For me, it represents being excellent, being perceptive,
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Speaker 1: being inspired and being compassionate.
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Speaker 1: So EPIC, so an acronym or a mnemonic
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Speaker 1: for those four leadership or even just lifestyle maxims.
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Speaker 1: Again, of developing a spirit
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Speaker 1: and an attitude of excellence,
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Speaker 1: learning how to perceive things
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Speaker 1: that are going on around you.
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Speaker 1: That is where we tie into the contextual intelligence piece
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Speaker 1: and the 3D thinking.
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Speaker 1: And then there's how to be inspired,
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Speaker 1: not only yourself being inspired,
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Speaker 1: but inspiring the people around you.
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Speaker 1: And then of course, walking in and moving in compassion.
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Speaker 1: - Wow.
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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm impressed.
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Speaker 3: (laughing)
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Speaker 3: Mindset, I like it.
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Speaker 3: I like it.
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Speaker 3: Now, when you were a little boy
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Speaker 3: and big people called adults came up to you and said,
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Speaker 3: "Hey, little Maddie,
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Speaker 3: what do you wanna be when you grow up?"
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Speaker 3: Did you say I want to write a book on epic mindset?
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Speaker 1: No, oh my goodness, no.
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Speaker 1: But I did want to be a leader.
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Speaker 1: Now, I didn't know what all that meant at the time.
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Speaker 1: My father, who was very instrumental-- my mom, too.
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Speaker 1: Well, my father was very instrumental in instilling
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Speaker 1: in all of us kids--
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Speaker 1: he had four kids, I have three siblings--
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Speaker 1: the idea of what it meant to be an influencer.
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Speaker 1: And so I kind of thought maybe I would be a professional athlete
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Speaker 1: or hope, something like that.
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Speaker 1: But of course, the attitudes that he instilled in us early on
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Speaker 1: stuck with me.
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Speaker 1: And then I eventually became that person who earned the PhDs,
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Speaker 1: wrote the books, done the research, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: But never in my wildest imagination
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Speaker 1: did I view myself as what I have become,
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Speaker 1: which is an academic.
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Speaker 1: I was always gonna be something other than that
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Speaker 1: to say the least.
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Speaker 3: - You know, I'm glad you told me the truth
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Speaker 3: because most speakers on stage
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Speaker 3: have concocted this miracle story
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Speaker 3: where they were driving in a new town
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Speaker 3: and they decided to go into that store
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Speaker 3: they'd never been in before.
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Speaker 3: And then they met this person which changed their life.
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Speaker 3: They concoct this whole miracle story.
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Speaker 3: - Right.
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Speaker 3: - The truth is that for most of us,
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Speaker 3: - It just happened.
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Speaker 3: Now, other things--
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Speaker 3: - Yeah, for me, a lot of hard work and discipline,
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Speaker 3: absolutely right.
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Speaker 3: - Right, and so I remember I was broke,
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Speaker 3: 50 pounds overweight, $100,000 in debt.
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Speaker 3: My boss had just fired me.
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Speaker 3: My wife had just divorced me.
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Speaker 3: I was sad, hopeless, and I was having a dinner party
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Speaker 3: with some friends, and I was telling them
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Speaker 3: that I had made all this money in real estate.
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Speaker 3: I'd lost it in the divorce, but I knew how to make it.
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Speaker 3: And someone said, "Well, a friend of mine wants to learn
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Speaker 3: "how to make money in real estate."
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Speaker 3: I said, "Well, so what?
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Speaker 3: "I'm not inviting your friend to dinner."
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't get it.
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Speaker 3: He said, "Why don't you rent a hotel room
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Speaker 3: "and put an ad in the paper?"
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Speaker 3: That's how long ago it was, put an ad in the paper.
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Speaker 3: And then tell people about it.
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Speaker 3: I said, "Okay."
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Speaker 3: And I did.
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Speaker 3: And in my very first ad, I said, "Raymond Aaron in person."
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Speaker 3: In person, this is my very first speech ever.
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Speaker 3: And I was broken, unemployed and heavily in debt.
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Speaker 3: And I said, me in person,
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Speaker 3: as if I could come some other way.
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Speaker 3: As a hologram or something.
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Speaker 3: And that started, honestly,
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Speaker 3: that started my speaking career 42 years ago
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Speaker 3: in May of 1983.
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Speaker 3: - Wow.
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Speaker 3: And of course it's all been easy
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Speaker 1: and downhill from there, right?
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Speaker 3: Wow. So do you coach in the field of Epic Mindset?
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Speaker 1: Well, so the answer to that is yes and no.
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Speaker 1: And I do it indirectly.
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Speaker 1: 'Cause again, one of the things that's different
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Speaker 1: about what I do and how I do it,
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Speaker 1: 'cause I have a day job.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a professor, you know, a tenured professor
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Speaker 1: and work in a university and teach in a doctoral program.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of what I do is still just
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Speaker 1: good old-fashioned professor stuff.
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Speaker 1: And what has been so interesting for me is along my journey,
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Speaker 1: you know, you stumble into things like this
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Speaker 1: and you write a textbook
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Speaker 1: and then somebody asks you to speak here
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Speaker 1: and someone asks you to speak there.
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Speaker 1: And then you do a conference presentation
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Speaker 1: in an academic crowd
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Speaker 1: and somebody says, "This is interesting here."
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Speaker 1: And so 20 years of that, 28 years actually of that,
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Speaker 1: mauling things over iteration one, iteration two, iteration a thousand, you know, and that hard work,
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Speaker 1: that discipline, the keeping after it, you know, is such a such a critical thing to do.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I get that you have a day job, but concerning epic mindset, do you teach that? Do you coach it?
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Speaker 3: Do you have videos on it? What do you got? Oh, and you have a book, of course.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wrote a book, you know, and specific to the becoming epic thing, it goes back to,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've always wanted to be epic myself. And I didn't know what that meant or what that
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Speaker 1: looked like. I just know that I wanted my life to have meaning, to have purpose. And I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to be able to spark life in other people and help them realize that they can do more
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Speaker 1: than they wanted to do. Something happened actually two years ago that really forced me down this
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Speaker 1: journey. In 2023, I was diagnosed with cancer. It was supposed to be the easy cancer, you know,
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Speaker 1: prostate cancer. They were going to take care of it. It was going to be no problem. And then after
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Speaker 1: the surgery and some biopsies and the news just kept getting worse and worse, and it turned out
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Speaker 1: to be very advanced, metastasized, found some in my pelvis and in my lymph nodes.
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Speaker 1: And so that really derailed me. In fact, I had several speaking events planned during that time,
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Speaker 1: which I had to cancel for radiation. And one of the things that I've always tried to live my life
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Speaker 1: by, and my wife and my children will attest to this, is, you know, I believe that chaos is the
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Speaker 1: package that your potential arrives in, something that I like to say.
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Speaker 1: And we have to understand, I believe and am firmly convinced that the disruption, the
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Speaker 1: turbulence, the chaos that comes into your life is never meant to destroy you.
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Speaker 1: It's meant to make you better.
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Speaker 1: It's meant to make you see things the way you haven't seen them before and change your
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Speaker 1: perspective and to as even your podcast is named to give you a new spark to re-spark
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Speaker 1: your life. I believe that. That's not tongue-in-cheek. That's not just something I say
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Speaker 1: to placate to people. I believe that with all my heart and I always have.
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Speaker 1: I told my wife that during these 40 days of radiation, because I had to cancel
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Speaker 1: three gigs I was really excited to do and couldn't travel, couldn't do anything like
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Speaker 1: that.
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Speaker 1: So I said I was going to write a thousand words every day for 40 days as just to keep
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Speaker 1: myself focused, so to speak.
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Speaker 1: And I initially intended for that to be a journal of just logging my emotions, my memories,
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Speaker 1: my feelings, all those kinds of things, and hope that it might help somebody someday who
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Speaker 1: who experienced similar kinds of adversity in a diagnosis.
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Speaker 1: And it was day three of this exercise
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Speaker 1: that I started writing about a framework
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Speaker 1: that I had used in one of my lectures
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Speaker 1: like a year or two before.
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Speaker 1: It was a one-off lecture on being epic
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Speaker 1: and what you need to do to become an epic leader.
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Speaker 1: I call it the epic leadership loop
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Speaker 1: and the four things you need to do to be a better leader.
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Speaker 1: And I was teaching it in an academic leadership
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Speaker 1: class of all places.
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Speaker 1: And I just thought, listen, if you want to be epic,
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Speaker 1: you have to be excellent at what you do.
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Speaker 1: Everything you do needs to be a positive track record.
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Speaker 1: And you measure excellence not by what someone else is doing,
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Speaker 1: but by what you did previously.
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Speaker 1: And an excellent person isn't excellent
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Speaker 1: because they did something better than someone else did.
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Speaker 1: It's an epic person as they did better
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Speaker 1: than their last experience or last previous thing.
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Speaker 1: So you've got to be excellent.
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Speaker 1: You have to pursue that in every aspect and facet of your life.
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Speaker 1: then you have to be perceptive.
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Speaker 1: And perception then fed into some
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Speaker 1: of my research and professional writing
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Speaker 1: on contextual intelligence, which
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Speaker 1: is the ability to discern your environment in real time.
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Speaker 1: And I teach a model of that, how to do that,
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Speaker 1: with this model called 3D thinking.
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Speaker 1: The 3Ds I am referring to are the three dimensions of time.
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Speaker 1: So literally the three dimensions
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Speaker 1: of hindsight, past, present, and future,
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Speaker 1: which I describe as hindsight, insight, and foresight.
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Speaker 1: And if you truly want to perceive accurately
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Speaker 1: what's going on around you, you have
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Speaker 1: to properly leverage hindsight, which
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Speaker 1: is your experience and the value your experiences have taught
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Speaker 1: you, but you also have to leverage insight.
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Speaker 1: And that's learning to frame your experiences and memories
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Speaker 1: through what's actually happening right now
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Speaker 1: in real time.
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Speaker 1: So many people misuse hindsight because they
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Speaker 1: forget that there's two other dimensions of time
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Speaker 1: through which that memory is filtered.
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Speaker 1: So you have to pay attention to what's really happening
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Speaker 1: in front of you right now in real time.
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Speaker 1: And then you also have to have foresight.
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Speaker 1: You have to know where you want to be
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Speaker 1: and who you want to become.
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Speaker 1: And you have to be able to articulate that clearly.
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Speaker 1: And I describe that by differentiating
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Speaker 1: foresight from fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Because I believe everybody has a dimension of foresight,
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Speaker 1: but they really don't know how to use it.
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Speaker 1: So it defaults to or it becomes fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Boy, I would sure like to get out of debt.
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Speaker 1: I would sure like to have a better marriage.
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Speaker 1: I would sure like to retire on the beach and have a sports car.
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Speaker 1: That's fantasy.
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Speaker 1: They talk about these things, finish my book, finish my degrees, whatever it might be.
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Speaker 1: And when you ask them, "Okay, well, how are you going to do that?
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Speaker 1: What's your plan to get there?"
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Speaker 1: And they say, "Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just hoping that happens.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a nice dream of mine to have."
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Speaker 1: And that's fantasy, and we really need foresight, which is the ability to see that future, but
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Speaker 1: then also articulate a process to get there and get through and beyond the obstacles you
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Speaker 1: see.
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Speaker 1: So many people who I do coach and mentor talk about, "Well, I would like to get out of debt,
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Speaker 1: but I can't because I would like to have a great marriage, but I can't because."
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Speaker 1: And I call it the "I can't because" clause.
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Speaker 1: And if you're operating with that I can't because clause,
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Speaker 1: that tells me you're operating in fantasy and not foresight.
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Speaker 1: So learning to be perceptive requires
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Speaker 1: learning how to accurately use hindsight,
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Speaker 1: how to accurately use insight, and how
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Speaker 1: to accurately leverage foresight.
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Speaker 1: So that's what it means to be perceptive.
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Speaker 1: Then you have to be inspired.
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Speaker 1: And not only do you have to be inspired,
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Speaker 1: but you have to live a life in such a way
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Speaker 1: that if you're excellent and perceptive,
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Speaker 1: other people gain inspiration from watching you do what you do.
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Speaker 1: And the other big thing to that is so many people fall victim to the lie that inspiration
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Speaker 1: is an external source.
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Speaker 1: And it's just not.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so and I don't just mean that in a, you know, mindfulness, metaphysical
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Speaker 1: kind of way.
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Speaker 1: There's actually a significant body of scientifically backed evidence-based research around where
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Speaker 1: inspiration truly comes from.
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Speaker 1: And it comes from understanding your own thought process, metacognition, for example.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think the way you think?
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Speaker 1: What experiences do you have?
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Speaker 1: How do you interpret those experiences?
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Speaker 1: That leads to inspiration.
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Speaker 1: You can actually cultivate and curate your own source of inspiration.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I believe an epic person does.
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Speaker 1: And then finally, they have to be compassionate.
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Speaker 1: And that is learning to go alongside someone
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Speaker 1: with pain and grief and suffering and things like that.
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Speaker 1: And what's interesting in my studies about compassion,
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Speaker 1: it's actually a compound word of two Latin words,
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Speaker 1: "com," which means "with," and "passion," which
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Speaker 1: means "grief or suffering," as in passion of the Christ.
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Speaker 1: We so misunderstand the concept of passion in our society.
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Speaker 1: We think it's a good thing that gets you excited and gets you
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Speaker 1: all hopeful and gives you something to live for.
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Speaker 1: That's never what passion ever meant.
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Speaker 1: We kind of perverted in our society.
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Speaker 1: Passion was always pain and suffering.
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Speaker 1: So in other words, you have to be
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Speaker 1: willing to walk alongside of pain and suffering,
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Speaker 1: your own and other people's in order to live this Epic life
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Speaker 1: and to truly demonstrate compassion.
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Speaker 1: And so that's what the lecture was about.
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Speaker 1: And it was a one-off, like I said, I just was on my mind.
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Speaker 1: And as I'm doing this journaling exercise,
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Speaker 1: I kind of wrote, I just wrote a paragraph,
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Speaker 1: started with one paragraph on,
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Speaker 1: hey, yeah, you know, I'm reminding myself to be Epic
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Speaker 1: and try to maintain this thing.
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Speaker 1: And after that, I kind of fell into this,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to describe it.
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Speaker 1: It was just a something happened to me and I spent the next 37 days writing about what
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Speaker 1: I thought it meant to be epic and just expanding and unpacking each of those concepts in much
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Speaker 1: more detail.
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Speaker 1: And by the end of the 40 days, I had pretty near 40,000 words written on this concept
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Speaker 1: of having an epic mindset.
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Speaker 1: And so I pitched it to some publishers.
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Speaker 1: I told my wife when I was finished after the radiation was over.
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Speaker 1: and that's a whole 'nother story,
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Speaker 1: 'cause as radiation goes on,
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Speaker 1: it wears you down more and more and more.
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Speaker 1: And by the end of the 40 days, I was just a mess.
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Speaker 1: And, but I told my wife, I said,
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Speaker 1: "Hey, honey, I wrote something here
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Speaker 1: "that I think I'm really proud of.
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Speaker 1: "Maybe the book I've always wanted to write."
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Speaker 1: And of course I pitched it around and it got picked up
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Speaker 1: and it's actually coming out in August of this year,
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Speaker 1: becoming epic.
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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty excited about that.
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Speaker 3: - Me too.
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Speaker 3: What a blessed, sweet, compelling story.
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Speaker 3: And if my listeners didn't figure it out, the four topics he was
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Speaker 3: saying were the E P I C of epic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 3: That's really a powerful story.
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Speaker 3: And it came from the pain.
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Speaker 3: Like if you hadn't had to recover, wouldn't have had 40 days to write it.
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Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 1: And it was that thing that we alluded
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Speaker 1: to at the beginning of our conversation of these things
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Speaker 1: don't just magically happen.
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Speaker 1: Things that are valuable-- and even in your own story,
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Speaker 1: going broke, getting divorced, all these kinds of things.
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Speaker 1: And nobody welcomes those into their life
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Speaker 1: and goes forward thinking, oh, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have all these hard things happen.
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Speaker 1: But when they do happen, you can't use them as an excuse
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Speaker 1: to continue to be epic and to practice those four maxims.
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Speaker 1: You didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: You're like, hey, I'm going to go out on a limb
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Speaker 1: here and do an in-person show here at the local hotel
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Speaker 1: and see if I can help some people.
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of good ideas come from that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, artists historically are known
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Speaker 1: for some of their greatest works come from their pain
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Speaker 1: and their grief and things like that.
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Speaker 1: again, I'm not saying that you, you know, welcome those things and are glad about those things,
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Speaker 1: but what we do need to understand are those things, if you will allow them, are meant
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Speaker 1: to re-spark you, to re-shape you, to re-ignite you, and to get you to think about things and
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Speaker 1: to say things and to do things that you might have never done before. It happened to you,
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Speaker 1: It happened to me and I think most others as well.
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Speaker 3: Matt, tell me a success story in your coaching.
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Speaker 3: Somebody came to you, they had an issue, you used Epic,
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Speaker 3: and they were grateful and wonderful afterwards.
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Speaker 3: Tell us that story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can think of a couple of people in particular,
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Speaker 1: but one story that comes to mind is,
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Speaker 1: I was meeting with this one particular person who wasn't
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Speaker 1: actually a client of mine, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: They were just a person who had been observant
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Speaker 1: through my journey and understand,
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Speaker 1: who somebody who had actually felt sorry for me.
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Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know how you can have the mindset
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Speaker 1: that you have and understand the framework
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Speaker 1: that you have, what you've gone through.
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Speaker 1: What you've gone through would have destroyed me.
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Speaker 1: And so I was able to sit down with this person
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Speaker 1: and explain my philosophy around the epics mindset
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Speaker 1: and the epic thing and just explaining to them
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Speaker 1: all these different phases of development and the journey
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Speaker 1: and how I measure excellence.
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Speaker 1: And this particular person was just like always that person
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Speaker 1: who thought that being excellent meant being perfect.
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Speaker 1: And I really was able to explain to them
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Speaker 1: that perfection is not possible, but excellence is.
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Speaker 1: And describing the perfectionism that drives him
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Speaker 1: so many other people that only leaves a disappointment because quite frankly, perfection is impossible.
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Speaker 1: But what's not impossible is being excellent.
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Speaker 1: And that little shift in mindset set him free from being this driven person who always had
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Speaker 1: to winning always meant beating the other person, being better than the other person,
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Speaker 1: the other person down and also had a very difficult internal struggle with himself on,
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Speaker 1: you know, I can't, you know, unless this is perfect. And that was a major encouragement
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Speaker 1: for me to realize that I can be excellent and not have to be perfect.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to take a 90 degree turn.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Ask you a question you have no confidence to answer, but you have to answer it anyways.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: You ready?
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Speaker 3: I'm ready.
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Speaker 3: Would you rather be, and you have to choose one.
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Speaker 3: Would you rather be a fortune cookie or a birthday cake?
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Speaker 1: I would rather be a birthday cake. And that's an easy one for me.
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Speaker 1: Because everybody loves birthday cake. You know, everybody loves birthday cake.
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Speaker 1: I don't care who you are.
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Speaker 1: I know so many people who they're at a birthday party and they're like super
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Speaker 1: health conscious freaks, you know, and, and this kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: And I don't eat that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: But when the birthday cake comes around, everybody like breaks their rules to have a piece of
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Speaker 1: birthday cake because it just always means celebration, always means fun, you know.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely a birthday cake.
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Speaker 1: Every, a fortune cookie, you know, you open that up and every time, or many times you're
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Speaker 1: like, huh, what?
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Speaker 1: You know, kind of a thing.
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, birthday cake for sure for me.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Now, give us something.
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Speaker 3: We've listened to you.
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Speaker 3: We love you.
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Speaker 3: We're excited about Epic.
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Speaker 1: What do you got for us?
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Speaker 1: Now, one of the things that I hope to be able to convey is, like I said, just the understanding
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Speaker 1: that you can be better.
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Speaker 1: And I have my website, you know, there's many things on my website, article, I even have
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Speaker 1: my research there, books are there.
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Speaker 1: I've written eight or nine books now, and some on marriage, some on cancer.
22:28
Speaker 1: I wrote a new one called "Diagnose," which is how to wrestle with, you know, the pain
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Speaker 1: and turmoil of cancer.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of resources there.
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Speaker 1: What I have is hope and I really try hard to have a positive spin on these kinds of
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Speaker 1: things.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, MatthewKoots.com and there you can reach out to me.
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Speaker 1: Here's one of the things that I don't think you get from a lot of people and that's I
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Speaker 1: love talking about this stuff.
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Speaker 1: I mean it excites me and I know that it can help you.
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Speaker 1: And so if you reach out to me, I will respond.
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Speaker 1: I'm that guy who you'll get me.
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Speaker 1: You won't get an assistant.
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Speaker 1: You won't get somebody else phoning up for me.
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Speaker 1: You'll get me, my emails.
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, my phone number is on my website.
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you call, I will pick up the phone.
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Speaker 1: And it's just, it's because I love this
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Speaker 1: and I believe in this.
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Speaker 3: - Well, Mr. Matt Coutts,
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Speaker 3: what a fascinating, fascinating interview.
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Speaker 3: I have been buoyed up by you, even though you say inspiration has to come from within.
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Speaker 3: It also occasionally comes from the inside.
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Speaker 1: It absolutely does.
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Speaker 1: But when you're feeling like there is none, you have to go within to find it.
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Speaker 3: Of course.
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Speaker 3: Of course.
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Speaker 3: And I've enjoyed it.
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Speaker 3: Matthew Kutz, K-U-T-Z or Zed.com.
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Speaker 3: Go there.
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Speaker 3: There's all kinds of resources there, including his email address and his phone number that
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Speaker 3: he personally answers.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: You've done a brilliant job for me and for my subscribers.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Ring, and I really appreciate it.
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