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Murder In Moscow: The Goncalves Family And The ABC Interview · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' parents, Steve Gonsalves and Christy Gonsalves, gave an
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  Speaker 1: interview to ABC News where they were discussing a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more about what they know about the murder of
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  Speaker 1: their daughter. And they were talking about how They received
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  Speaker 1: some pictures and how they were even given the contents
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  Speaker 1: to the trash bin inside of her room. And this
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  Speaker 1: all comes a few days after we heard from the
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves family and how they were in fear that this
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  Speaker 1: trial was going to get pushed back. Now, after the
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  Speaker 1: hearing that was held last Friday, certainly a possibility, especially
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  Speaker 1: considering that Brian Kohlberger's team have asked to push this
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  Speaker 1: back until 2025. So you know that the Gonsalves family
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  Speaker 1: is not happy about that. Today's article is from The
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  Speaker 1: Independent and the headline, Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves' parents
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  Speaker 1: reveal new details about how her body was found. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Andrea Cavalier. Kaylee Gonsalves, one of
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  Speaker 1: the four victims in the University of Idaho student murders,
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  Speaker 1: was found upright, slumped against the wall, her parents recently revealed.
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  Speaker 1: The 21-year-old was brutally stabbed to death in an off-campus
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  Speaker 1: home in Moscow, Idaho, on November 13, 2022, along with
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. A trial date
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  Speaker 1: is still unknown for their suspected killer, and at this
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  Speaker 1: point in time, we're not any closer to that trial date.
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping that after Friday, we would be at
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  Speaker 1: a point where it would be a little bit closer,
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  Speaker 1: but considering the ask by Ann Taylor... and Brian Koberger's team,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see us getting to a point where
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  Speaker 1: we have a trial date anytime soon. Steve and Christy Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee's parents, sat down for an interview with ABC News
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  Speaker 1: this week where they revealed they had received thousands of
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  Speaker 1: photos of the scene of the grisly crime from the police.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine going through those photos. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know how you're able to do that, honestly. crime
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  Speaker 1: scene photos of your child being murdered, is there anything
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  Speaker 1: that a parent fears more? I mean, I don't have kids,
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  Speaker 1: but my guess is a lot of you who do
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of restless nights while your kids are out.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind finding out that this happened to your child,
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  Speaker 1: and not only that, but getting the pictures to boot.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the images revealed the final position of Kaylee's
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  Speaker 1: body when she died. The side where Kaylee was was
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  Speaker 1: up against the wall, and if you can imagine Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: in an upright sort of position up in the corner, slumped.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she was trapped, Ms. Gonsalves told ABC News.
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  Speaker 1: And can you imagine the fear? Can you imagine what
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  Speaker 1: these poor girls were going through? As somebody who has
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  Speaker 1: no involvement, it's hard to imagine. Imagine it being your child.
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  Speaker 1: The bed was the entire room. You could barely open
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  Speaker 1: up the door without swiping the foot of the bed.
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  Speaker 1: and it was wall. The headboard was up against the wall. So,
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  Speaker 1: according to the Gonsalves family, Kaylee was trapped between the
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  Speaker 1: wall and the killer, and she was in an upright
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  Speaker 1: position while this happened, or in the aftermath of it,
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  Speaker 1: when these pictures were taken. Gonsalves and Mogan's bodies were
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  Speaker 1: found in the bedroom on the third floor, while Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: and Chapin were found on the second floor of the home.
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  Speaker 1: The Independent previously reported, Brian Kohlberger is accused of breaking
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  Speaker 1: into the off-campus student home on King Road and stabbing
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  Speaker 1: to death the four students with a large military-style knife.
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  Speaker 1: And that knife is a K-Bar knife, they believe, so
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  Speaker 1: they've been looking for that knife, obviously, since the very
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  Speaker 1: start of this. My opinion? Brian Kohlberger got rid of
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  Speaker 1: that knife. while he was taking the long way home
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  Speaker 1: from the murder scene. We know that he took a detour,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that he went through a sparsely populated area,
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  Speaker 1: so what was he doing out there? I said from
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  Speaker 1: Jump Street that I think he had a burn pit
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  Speaker 1: and a place to get rid of whatever evidence there
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  Speaker 1: might have been. Prosecutors say Kohlberger's DNA was found on
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  Speaker 1: a knife sheath that was discovered on Mogan's bed next
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  Speaker 1: to her body. The Gonsalves said in the interview this
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  Speaker 1: week that they were also given some of Kaylee's belongings
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  Speaker 1: from the house, including a trash can from her room
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  Speaker 1: that was full and appeared untouched, her mother recalled. We
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  Speaker 1: opened it, and there was a little squeezy applesauce thing that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you would give to a toddler. It did not appear
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  Speaker 1: to have been gone through, Ms. Gonsalves said. So they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go through the trash, is that what she's saying?
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that, but okay. Police
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  Speaker 1: said they had gathered more than 100 pieces of physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence from the scene, along with 4,000 photos and 3D
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  Speaker 1: scans of the residents. The Gonsalves, who have long questioned
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  Speaker 1: the competency of the investigation, publicly stated last month that
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  Speaker 1: they were against the demolition of the three-story house where
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  Speaker 1: the murders took place. But on December 28th, despite several protests,
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  Speaker 1: the home was razed to the ground, another bad decision
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. No need to do it this quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Plenty of time to do it later on, right? But
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  Speaker 1: here we are. So, no house, and I just hope
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't come back to bite the prosecution in
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  Speaker 1: the ass later on down the road. Meanwhile, the family
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  Speaker 1: said that they are still waiting on a full digital
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  Speaker 1: copy of Kaylee's phone from the police. We're just left
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  Speaker 1: in limbo, Kaylee's dad, Steve Gonsalves, said. These are the
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  Speaker 1: last moments of your child's life, and you're sitting here
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  Speaker 1: fighting with somebody who just doesn't care. And to state
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  Speaker 1: that the Gonsalves family has had a contentious relationship with
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  Speaker 1: the authorities is to say it nicely. Because this has
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  Speaker 1: been something that's ongoing since the very beginning. The Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: family feels like they've been disrespected. And they feel like
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  Speaker 1: they're not getting enough information about what went down. According
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  Speaker 1: to the authorities, they can't give the Gonsalves family any
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  Speaker 1: information because the Gonsalves family was talking to the media.
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  Speaker 1: So as you can imagine, a lot of frustration, right?
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  Speaker 1: and that's where a liaison's supposed to come in. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like whoever the liaison was here was
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  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. On Friday, the 29-year-old criminology Ph.D. student,
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  Speaker 1: an accused mass killer, appeared in a Latah County courtroom
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  Speaker 1: where his legal team made another bid to have his
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  Speaker 1: indictment dismissed and to unseal documents in the case, which
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  Speaker 1: Judge John Judge denied. The judge was also expected to
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  Speaker 1: set a trial date with prosecutors arguing that for a
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  Speaker 1: summer 2024 due to concerns of more school traffic in
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  Speaker 1: the fall and the spring. I am still concerned about
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  Speaker 1: the victims and their families, Prosecutor Bill Thompson said. They
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  Speaker 1: have suffered for well over a year now with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty. And that's painful, and it's an everyday reminder,
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  Speaker 1: and they need some sort of certainty, and they need
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  Speaker 1: some closure in a timely fashion. But we know we
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  Speaker 1: also have to make sure, as your honor just said
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, that we only do this case once,
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  Speaker 1: he added. And that's a lot of the issue here.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want this to have to be retried, right?
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  Speaker 1: They don't want him to get an appeal that is
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  Speaker 1: successful and they have to start the process all over again.
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  Speaker 1: So what they're trying to do is make sure that
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  Speaker 1: they're thorough. But at some point, Like Mr. Thompson just
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  Speaker 1: said here, you have to think about the family members.
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  Speaker 1: You have to think about the victim's family members and
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  Speaker 1: what they're going through. Koberger's defense team argued that a
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  Speaker 1: more appropriate date would be the summer of 2025, claiming
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  Speaker 1: that there was a mountain of evidence, including thousands of photographs, videos,
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  Speaker 1: and over 400 witnesses to interview. Ultimately, Judge John Judge
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  Speaker 1: decided to hold off on setting a date. My heart
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  Speaker 1: goes out to the victims. I can't even imagine the pain,
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  Speaker 1: the grief, because you can't really go forward with your
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  Speaker 1: life with this hanging over your head. So I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: he said. The demolition of the house in December marked
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  Speaker 1: an emotional step for the victims' families and a close-knit
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  Speaker 1: community that was devastated by the brutal slayings of the students.
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  Speaker 1: For more than six weeks, the college town of Moscow
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  Speaker 1: was plunged into fear as the accused killer remained at
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  Speaker 1: large with no arrest made and no suspects named. Then
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  Speaker 1: on December 30th, law enforcement suddenly swooped in on Kohlberger's
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  Speaker 1: family home in Albrightville, Pennsylvania, and arrested him for the
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  Speaker 1: quadruple murders. The motive remains unknown, and it's still unclear
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  Speaker 1: what connection the WSU PhD student had to the University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students, if any, prior to the murders. The
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon, a fixed blade knife, has never been found. Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 1: who is facing the death penalty for the killings, has
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  Speaker 1: tried once already to get the charges thrown out. The
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  Speaker 1: bid was rejected by the judge. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: any attempt Brian Koberger makes to try to have it
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  Speaker 1: thrown out, it's going to be met with the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of answer by the judge. Because there's so much
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  Speaker 1: evidence here that the only way to figure out what
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  Speaker 1: truly happened is to go to trial. The only way
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  Speaker 1: to figure out if Brian Kohlberger truly is guilty is
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  Speaker 1: to go to trial. And the judge realizes that. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. This is going to go
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  Speaker 1: to trial. Kohlberger is going to have his day in
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  Speaker 1: court and we'll go from there. But having the charges
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  Speaker 1: just tossed out, that's just never going to be a reality.
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  Speaker 1: Never was a reality. And Brian Kohlberger and his team
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  Speaker 1: better gear up. A criminal justice Ph.D. student at WSU,
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  Speaker 1: Koberger lived just 15 minutes from the victims over the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho-Washington border. border in Pullman. He had moved there from
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and began his studies there that summer, having just
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  Speaker 1: completed his first semester before his arrest. Before this, he
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  Speaker 1: studied criminology at the Salis University under renowned forensic psychologist
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland, who interviewed the BTK serial killer and co-wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book Confession of a Serial Killer, the untold story
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  Speaker 1: of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, with him. He also
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  Speaker 1: carried out a research project to understand how emotions and
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  Speaker 1: psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime. Sounds like
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is well-equipped to commit a crime. But I
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  Speaker 1: think the big takeaway from an article like this is
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  Speaker 1: what the Gonsalves family is still going through. And this
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  Speaker 1: family is suffering, folks. This is a family that wants justice.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, justice has been denied up until now. So
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  Speaker 1: they want to get this process rolling. They want to
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  Speaker 1: have a trial date. And they want to get this
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  Speaker 1: train of justice rolling. And unfortunately, the question still is,
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  Speaker 1: when is that going to occur? Alright everybody, that's going
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