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The Late Debate | 14 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Life Debates.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I'm Danika DiGiorgio.
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  Speaker 3: It's ladies' night tonight, joined by broadcaster Lucy Zellinger, Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Waverley councillor Michelle Stevenson.
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  Speaker 2: Hi to both of you. Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Michelle's just got back from Bali.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I almost did not make it. I'm very happy
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  Speaker 5: to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 5: My flight got cancelled, but I am here straight from
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  Speaker 5: the airport.
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  Speaker 4: You're so lucky.
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome. She's been surfing. She's been having fun. And
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  Speaker 2: where else would she rather be now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was eat, pray, love, and then now I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to.
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  Speaker 4: undo all of that good work.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we look forward to our good debates tonight. And Lucy,
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  Speaker 2: how was your weekend?
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  Speaker 4: I had a fantastic weekend.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't quite earn a tan from Bali just sitting
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  Speaker 6: in my backyard while my children were screaming at me.
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  Speaker 4: But you look very tanned tonight. I just love that
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  Speaker 4: it's ladies' night. Me too.
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  Speaker 2: How fun. We love this.
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  Speaker 3: We love a ladies' night on the show and we've
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  Speaker 3: got a big show coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Guardian claims it.
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  Speaker 3: Has exposed the depth of relationship between billionaire and party
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  Speaker 3: after revealing Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce stayed at Gina
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  Speaker 3: Reinhart's $ 20 million mansion.
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  Speaker 2: But is it really that big of a deal?
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  Speaker 3: Is the answer to childhood obesity serving up mandatory lentils
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  Speaker 3: and chickpeas at the school canteen And Hollywood bombshell Sydney
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  Speaker 3: Sweeney strips off for a racy sporting campaign and is
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  Speaker 3: accused of undermining women in sport. But first tonight, remember
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  Speaker 3: the days when you didn't finish your home-cooked meal and
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  Speaker 3: your mum would tell you there are starving kids in
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  Speaker 3: Africa who'd love to eat that? Well, is it time
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  Speaker 3: to bring back the tough parenting phrases that we all
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  Speaker 3: grew up with? Now, the Herald Sun's national education editor,
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  Speaker 3: Susie O'Brien, certainly thinks so. She argues that modern parents
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  Speaker 3: are raising a generation of children too indulged to cope,
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  Speaker 3: but a return to good old 70s parenting, where kids
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  Speaker 3: were sent off alone to buy ciggies, could be the answer. Now,
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  Speaker 3: she claims kids are terrified of everything and refuse to
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  Speaker 3: even attempt anything remotely challenging. Her solution is for mums
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  Speaker 3: and dads to bring back phrases like these ones.
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  Speaker 2: Tough titties.
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  Speaker 3: I told him if he does it again, rather, I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting the stick back out. This isn't a restaurant. Don't
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  Speaker 3: like it? Go to bed hungry. My roof, my rules.
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  Speaker 3: Or how about the simple one I used to get?
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  Speaker 3: Take it or leave it. Or when bored, come here.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you something to do. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 3: imagine a Gen Z parent being so forthright like that today, Lucy?
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  Speaker 6: They'd be in the total meltdown. All the progressives would
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  Speaker 6: be losing their damn minds. You can't speak to your
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  Speaker 6: kids this way. It's all about gentle parenting. You're going
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  Speaker 6: to give them trauma. What about the generational trauma? Look,
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  Speaker 6: there is an argument to be made that going back
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  Speaker 6: to the bad old days of the 80s where they
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  Speaker 6: absolutely belted you with a shoe or the back of
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  Speaker 6: the feather duster, you know, that one really hurt.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that was pretty extreme. I got the electrical cord.
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  Speaker 4: The electrical cord.
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  Speaker 5: That's brutal.
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  Speaker 2: That's harsh.
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  Speaker 6: And I've heard some really insane stories. But I think
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  Speaker 6: that we have in many ways, generations later, we've overcorrected now.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm a parent of two small children. It was
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  Speaker 4: so funny.
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  Speaker 6: We were in Woolworths the other day and the two
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  Speaker 6: of them were horsing around like crazy. And there was
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  Speaker 6: this older gentleman pushing his cart beside us and he
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  Speaker 6: kind of looked at me and I looked at the
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  Speaker 6: kids and I said, let me just remind you of something.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very firm, right, and I'll only explode when I
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  Speaker 6: have to. But I said, let me just remind you
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  Speaker 6: both of something. Neither of you are too old to
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  Speaker 6: be smacked. And he said, hallelujah.
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  Speaker 2: He loved it.
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  Speaker 4: He got right into it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, because I think a lot of the older generation
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  Speaker 6: look at the way that we are parenting these days, Danika,
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  Speaker 6: to be quite honest, and I think that they probably
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  Speaker 6: observe us as being a little bit too soft. I
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  Speaker 6: don't advocate for belting the crap out of your kids,
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  Speaker 6: absolutely not, but do they need to have a bit
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  Speaker 6: of fear?
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  Speaker 4: Do they need to respect authority? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: And back in my day, to sound like a bit
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  Speaker 6: of a boomer, although I'm not, but I don't ever
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  Speaker 6: recall 10-year-olds stealing a car. Right, I don't ever recall
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  Speaker 6: hearing about youth crime statistics and it being, you know,
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  Speaker 6: through the roof and these kids running rampant with machetes.
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  Speaker 6: We were afraid of authority back then. There's no more
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  Speaker 6: of that these days. I see kids, there were kids
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  Speaker 6: mouthing off in the shops the other day and I said,
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  Speaker 6: watch your mouth to one young boy.
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  Speaker 4: He started barking back at me.
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  Speaker 6: And I thought I never would have had the guts
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  Speaker 6: to do that if an adult told me to watch
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  Speaker 6: my mouth back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: So do we need to be a bit tougher with them? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But as I said, we're not going back to the
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  Speaker 4: days where you whipped up a cane.
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  Speaker 1: And I completely agree with you, but it is a
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  Speaker 1: fine line, right? Because, you know, I do think that
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  Speaker 1: the reason why parents nowadays are a little bit softer
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  Speaker 1: is because they maybe didn't like the way that they were.
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  Speaker 5: Treated when they were children.
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  Speaker 4: So an overcorrection.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of an overcorrection, but there's a really
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  Speaker 1: good book called Coddling with the American Mind and what
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  Speaker 1: it talks about... is kind of this idea of over-correcting
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  Speaker 1: and over-parenting and helicopter parenting and producing a whole generation
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  Speaker 1: that are quite weak and that go to university and
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  Speaker 1: that they're not inquisitive and that their feelings get hurt
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  Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. And it's really interesting deep
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  Speaker 1: dive into the psyche of that generation and what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing to them. But I do think we're now going
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  Speaker 1: back into the whole... I mean, when I parent, the
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  Speaker 1: way I parent my son, I can be quite firm.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm firmer than his dad sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Did you ever smack your son growing up? You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Can I say there's been maybe a handful of times
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  Speaker 1: that I've hit him and I have.
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  Speaker 5: been devastated afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Like in a fetal position crying, like felt really bad.
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  Speaker 1: But what happened was afterwards, I remember going to him
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  Speaker 1: and saying, I am so sorry, I should never have
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  Speaker 1: laid my hand on you. And him and I having
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  Speaker 1: a really good open and honest conversation and him saying
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  Speaker 1: to me, I'm sorry I pushed you so hard. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry I made you feel it. And we had a
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  Speaker 1: really good conversation. I don't think I would now, he's older.
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  Speaker 5: But there are moments.
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  Speaker 1: Where you absolutely lose it and you just can't help yourself.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you think about the bring back these
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  Speaker 3: sorts of sayings, these tough comments?
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  Speaker 5: I think these sayings are good, but.
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  Speaker 1: We also have to remember that growing up in the
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  Speaker 1: 70s and 80s wasn't as glamorous as everyone tries to
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  Speaker 1: make it out to be.
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  Speaker 5: But, look, I still say this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like, we were talking about you get what you get
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  Speaker 1: and you don't get upset. And I'm always like, one, two, three,
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  Speaker 1: eyes on me, listen to what we're saying. So I
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  Speaker 1: do think a lot of these things have merit, especially
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a restaurant. Oh, my God, kids these days...
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  Speaker 1: I know parents who have three children and make five
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  Speaker 1: different meals, like one for themselves, one for their husband
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  Speaker 1: and for their three different kids.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas for me, it's like, no, you get what we're making.
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  Speaker 6: We used to eat cabbage rolls as kids, Danika, in
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  Speaker 6: our house.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Name an Italian dish as well and I would have
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  Speaker 3: taken it, I would have eaten it and we had no.
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  Speaker 2: Choice but to eat it. You had no choice.
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  Speaker 3: And back then I remember I used to say to
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  Speaker 3: my parents, I just want fairy bread and it used
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  Speaker 3: to get stuffed with.
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  Speaker 2: Salamis and cheese.
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  Speaker 3: Now, like, I would love that.
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  Speaker 2: That is my ideal meal.
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  Speaker 3: But back then I just wanted fairy bread and my
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  Speaker 3: parents used to say, well, there's somebody else less fortunate
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  Speaker 3: than you and so you'd just toddle along to school
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  Speaker 3: and you would eat it.
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  Speaker 2: But I do actually agree. I agree with your point, Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: I think you have to just push the child a
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  Speaker 3: little bit and put the fear in them because then
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  Speaker 3: they will not come back again.
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  Speaker 2: And I worry, and we spoke about this.
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  Speaker 3: Last week on the show, about the statistics that are
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  Speaker 3: showing the increase in kids chatting back at school. They're
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  Speaker 3: naughty in the classroom. They are rude to their teachers. And, again,
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  Speaker 3: it all starts at home. The discipline starts at home.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: It definitely starts at home. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: it necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to be drilled into them out of fear.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you're open and honest with your child
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  Speaker 1: and you have good transparent conversations, and they grow up
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  Speaker 1: with good EQ and an understanding of emotional intelligence, and
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  Speaker 1: how to.
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  Speaker 2: Relate to people.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like gentle parenting, Michelle.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: No, but like my child. No, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I am not a gentle parent.
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  Speaker 1: I can be strict, but I also have an understanding
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  Speaker 1: of his feelings and where he's coming from as well.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's fine.
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  Speaker 5: You can have that balance, but where do you then?
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  Speaker 1: But he would never do the things that some kids do,
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  Speaker 1: and that's because he has empathy.
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  Speaker 4: He has understanding.
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  Speaker 1: He acknowledges what another person might be going through in
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  Speaker 1: their life. So he would never do anything that would
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  Speaker 1: jeopardise another person's feelings.
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  Speaker 4: But can I raise a point?
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  Speaker 6: And I know a family, really loving, beautiful people, both
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  Speaker 6: of them work, have multiple children. Can I just say,
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  Speaker 6: they're empathetic, they're kind, they're beautiful, love getting together with them,
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  Speaker 6: but can I just say.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't irritate you?
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  Speaker 6: No, no, it doesn't irritate me, because just because I
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  Speaker 6: will give an occasional smack to my kids doesn't mean
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  Speaker 6: that I'm not a loving parent. And what psychologists will
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  Speaker 6: often say is that it's not so much the blow-up
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  Speaker 6: at your children, it's the refractionary period, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: What you do after the blow-up.
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  Speaker 6: Because back in the day, we just got the shoe
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  Speaker 6: or the belt and then it was just.
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  Speaker 4: You get on with it.
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  Speaker 6: Whereas I'll actually sit my kids down and explain to them.
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  Speaker 4: I won't apologise.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that as a parent I should have
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  Speaker 6: to apologise.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think you should hit a child. Like, I
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  Speaker 5: think you should... But I'm not talking about a belting, Michelle.
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  Speaker 6: I'm talking about a little tap on the bum to
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  Speaker 6: say that's enough gone too far.
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  Speaker 1: I still want them to understand that that is not
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  Speaker 1: the answer. Like, a hit is not the answer.
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  Speaker 2: If I hit you.
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  Speaker 1: That was out of my frustration and I should be
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  Speaker 1: better at articulating myself with you.
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  Speaker 6: Or what about the concept of I'm bringing you back
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  Speaker 6: in from what you're doing? And oftentimes what I've seen,
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  Speaker 6: and you're a parent too, oftentimes what I've seen with
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  Speaker 6: children is that It doesn't matter how many times I
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  Speaker 6: ask them politely or how many times I've pulled them
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  Speaker 6: up on an issue, unless I lose it at them,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to get a response. Oftentimes it's, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's almost like the equivalent is almost like the hysterical woman, right,
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  Speaker 6: and you've seen those movie clips and sometimes she gets
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  Speaker 6: a slap on the face and it's like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 6: I'm being jolted back into reality. Like, I've pushed it
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  Speaker 6: too far. I'm kind of coming back down to earth
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  Speaker 6: a bit. Like I said, I'm not advocating for beating them.
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  Speaker 4: Occasionally what it's been.
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  Speaker 6: When they were smaller is that it was a tap
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  Speaker 6: on the bum to say, that's enough. And let's talk
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  Speaker 6: about what's happened after the heat's come out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Look, and before we move on, I'm the only one
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  Speaker 3: on this panel without children yet.
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  Speaker 4: And now she doesn't want any.
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  Speaker 3: No, after hearing this. But as a third-party observer, when
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  Speaker 3: you are out in public and you see.
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  Speaker 2: These naughty kids... Agreed... who don't stop screaming and carrying on... Agreed...
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  Speaker 2: and you see the parents there and they're just, love, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I literally want to go up to that kid and
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  Speaker 3: I want to teach them some discipline myself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what?
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  Speaker 3: Because it just irks me so much... with this passive
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  Speaker 3: parenting model.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you try and smack your kid in public,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I know that there have been calls throughout
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  Speaker 6: time where they've suggested that it should be outlawed, that
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  Speaker 6: we should ban smacking and that it shouldn't be allowed.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to end up a headline tomorrow that
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  Speaker 4: I'm beating my kids at home. You know, but I.
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  Speaker 6: But I think the point that needs to be made
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  Speaker 6: is that, yeah, there's something to be said. The kids
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  Speaker 6: don't really respect much authority these days. But do you
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  Speaker 6: know who else doesn't respect authority as much either these days?
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  Speaker 4: Parents, because now they're trying to allege.
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  Speaker 6: that social media companies have to answer for the fact
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  Speaker 6: that their children.
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  Speaker 4: Have become addicted.
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  Speaker 6: Australian lawyers are gearing up to do battle with the
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  Speaker 6: social media giants on.
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  Speaker 4: Behalf of doom-scroll addicted kids, with.
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  Speaker 6: Talks underway for a local class action lawsuit against big
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  Speaker 6: tech off the back of successful cases in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: Brisbane-based consumer rights law firm Carter Capner Law has launched
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  Speaker 6: an investigation into a potential class action with Director Peter
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  Speaker 6: Carter concern the Albanese government's new digital duty of care
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  Speaker 6: legislation doesn't go far enough. And I quote, we've suddenly
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  Speaker 6: realised what's causing the harm. It's not just the algorithm,
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  Speaker 6: which is what we've known for a long time, but
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  Speaker 6: the endless feed that's so addictive. Mr Carter said. And
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  Speaker 6: he said, it's not about bullying or inappropriate material. This
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  Speaker 6: is about the business model endeavouring to monopolise their attention.
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  Speaker 6: It's taken consumers a long time to realise that. And
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  Speaker 6: now the pushback has begun. Now, of course, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of this has been generated off the back of what
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  Speaker 6: occurred in the United States last month.
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  Speaker 4: Meta agreed to pay out Australian $ 23 billion.
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  Speaker 6: In to settle a lawsuit brought by a coalition of
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  Speaker 6: attorney generals from across the United States and had previously
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  Speaker 6: been ordered to pay $ 1. 3 billion in penalties and abatements
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  Speaker 6: in New Mexico alone. The tech giant is allegedly appealing
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  Speaker 6: the latter ruling.
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  Speaker 4: What say you, Michelle?
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  Speaker 1: You know that I am all about this because Meta
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  Speaker 1: has known how dangerous their product is for young children
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  Speaker 1: for quite some time. And I think that that is
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  Speaker 1: the problem. And it's not about the content. It is
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  Speaker 1: about the product. And the product has been really bad
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  Speaker 1: for adolescents and for teens. Now, look, Meta's own internal
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  Speaker 1: research identifies 35 studies examining harms associated with young people,
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  Speaker 1: including particularly serious problems for teenage girls. So you've got
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  Speaker 1: young girls taking their own lives, you've got body dysmorphia,
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  Speaker 1: you've got all these problems. Their own internal research, they
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  Speaker 1: knew what was going on and yet they pressed ahead
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  Speaker 1: and I think that they need to be liable for that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that you're probably going to say that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: parents should have some ability to, like, control the algorithm,
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  Speaker 1: to control what their children do on social media, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not always going to be around. And so, look,
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  Speaker 1: I am one of these people, my son, who's turning
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  Speaker 1: 14 in December, does not have... an iPhone, because I
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  Speaker 1: know how bad that is. Once he gets an iPhone
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  Speaker 1: in his hand, he's going to spend the rest of
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  Speaker 1: his days like this. So I'm very concerned about him
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  Speaker 1: having that, so I'm going to put that off as
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  Speaker 1: much as I can.
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  Speaker 2: I gave him an.
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  Speaker 1: Old-school Nokia, told him how to use Snake, if you
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  Speaker 1: all remember how to do Snake on a Nokia. But, look,
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  Speaker 1: I think that meta here is in the... is at
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  Speaker 1: fault and I think that they should be held accountable.
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  Speaker 3: I just worry that this is a ramification of the
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  Speaker 3: US case that you have just mentioned. There was also
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  Speaker 3: an incident a couple of months ago, an LA woman
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  Speaker 3: who sued Meta for claiming.
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  Speaker 2: That it caused her social media addiction.
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  Speaker 3: She said that she became obsessed with social media and
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  Speaker 3: that it caused her depression and her anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: There's got to be an element of personal responsibility here.
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  Speaker 3: Go find a hobby. Go find something else to do.
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  Speaker 3: The brain capacity to put your phone down, to leave
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  Speaker 3: it somewhere, turn it off or don't have a phone whatsoever.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: You can't just go around blaming absolutely everybody else for
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: the problems in your life. Take some responsibility. In regards
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: to this sort of a case, I do think where
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: are the parents in all of this? Where is mum
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: and dad saying, no, you're too young to have a phone. No,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: when you sit at the dinner table at night, you
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: sit without your phone and you're not to go on
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: social media until you are of such an age. encouraging
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: children to go out and find hobbies, encouraging children to
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: get outside or go and play sport. I just don't
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: think that we can just constantly blame. We've got a
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: society where we blame somebody else for your own issues
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: and it is a woe is me culture, a snowflake culture.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I just think this is money. This is
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: all about money.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: But I think both things can be true. I think
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: both things can absolutely be true in this aspect.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: You know, parents should 100% be held accountable for what
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: they're allowing their children to view and be on, and
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: putting those devices in their hands is a problem. But also,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Meta should be held accountable for what they know to
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: be harmful for teenage parents.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Children. OK, but what's harmful? What's harmful?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Well, they know that their algorithms promote body dysmorphia. They
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: know that their algorithms promote suicide ideation. They know that
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: their algorithms push a lot of this stuff into the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: heads of young, developing minds. They know that for a fact.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: They've run the data on it and they still have
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: done it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: But.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: And I was going to say, but in the end,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: isn't that up to mum and dad again to try
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: and educate their own children about the dangers?
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: But if you have a harmful product and you've known
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: for years that it's been harmful, you should have some responsibility.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: They've made billions.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Off this product. OK, but how long's a piece of
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: string on this? Because we could go all night, right?
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: What about pharmaceutical companies who've known that products have been harmful?
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: What about soda companies?
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: And they get sued.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Food companies.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: And all those companies get sued.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: But it just seems like, again, it's... And to speak
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: to Danika's point here, which I agree with wholeheartedly, we're
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: living in an age where we will do anything to
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: absolve ourselves or reject responsibility.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think that that's what this is about, though.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: and blame external forces.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: I believe with you to a degree that both things
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: can be true at once. They can have these products
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: and these algorithms that are designed and geared towards really
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: harmful content and drawing these kids in. I mean, they
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: talked about in this particular instance that features like push
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: notifications and time-sensitive content is an addictive feature.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: So are cigarettes, so are alcohol.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, at what point are we going to start
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: to recognise that we as individuals, particularly as parents, Have agency.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: We are the authority figures in the house. I applaud
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: what you did in your home. You actually said, I
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: recognise the harmful content out there. We are not living
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: in an age where we don't know what the harms are, right?
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: So we know what smoking does. We know what drugs do.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: We know all of these things.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: And as parents, we are the custodians and the guardians
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: in our households who are the protectors of our children.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: You can see the statistics out there. You've seen that
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: children are devastatingly taking their own lives. Take some control
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: in your house, Mum and Dad.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Whoever's there, right?
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Recognise that you're the one that's responsible.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: It's not daddy government.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: That's responsible for raising your children. I don't need them
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: to introduce a social media ban for under-16s.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I don't agree.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: You need to be aware of the harms.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: And the dangers.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I don't agree with the ban. I'm taking control in
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: my house. Like, you took control in your house.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Don't give your kids a smartphone. I often see some
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: of them walking to school heads like this.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They're always with their heads down.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Awful.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, where does it start?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, once you start going down these roads of banning, banning,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: red tape, government intervention, it gets very dangerous. I mean,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you look at the net nanny, Julie Inman Grant, first
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: she started with, she started on X Firstly after an
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: alleged terror attack on a Sydney bishop. Then next it
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: was the social media bans for under-16s And now it's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: this digital duty of care bill under the guise of harm.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Well, what is harm?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: How long is a piece of string?
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Annika Wells had no idea.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Annika Wells was all at sea, lost at sea when
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: she was on with Laura Jays on this channel last week.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: So if a bureaucrat in Canberra can't define it, how
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: on earth are we going to put it into a bill?
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: It's concerning.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: It is. It is highly concerning.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Now, look, as you've heard tonight, One Nation has put
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: an immigration proposal on the table. So three years of
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: negative net migration by cutting 750,000 student and family visas.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So let's go through it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Student visas would be cut from around 590,000 to about 350,000.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Graduate visas from 270,000 to 40,000. Temporary skilled visas from
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: just over 263,000 to 160,000. It would also tighten eligibility requirements,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: restrict sponsorship visas, end visa hopping, remove illegal migrants. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: after three years, it would return migrant numbers to 2017
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: levels and leave them at those levels moving forward. Now,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's important to mention another important part of
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: this is banning migrants from countries on the Department of
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs do not travel list. So right now that
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: includes Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Haiti, Iran, Iraq. Somalia, Sudan,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Syria and Yemen. Now, off the back, fantastic. I don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: want these people, quite frankly, in the country. If your
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: values do not align with a Western liberal democracy, then
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: you do not belong in this country. Whatever you choose
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: to do over there is your prerogative. But if your
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: culture and your value are too far apart compared to ours,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: then tough. So I applaud Pauline Hanson for going that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: far and actually finally listing it. I know that the
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Liberal Party has previously, there were rumblings that they might
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: do the same, but that never eventuated. Secondly, we need
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: to cut the net overseas migration number. Labor has brought
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: too many people into this country, over 1.2 billion since
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it was elected.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: According to the budget, the.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: NOM, that's the net overseas migration, is up 13% from
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: last year and it does not forecast another cut for
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: another two years. So when you put that all together,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: where on earth are we going to put all these
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: people that Labor is bringing into the country when we
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: can't get everyday migrants in homes already? Thirdly, the response
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: today by Labor and the Coalition, here was Andrew Hastie,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Liberal MP, speaking tonight on the ABC saying, Are there any.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Specific ideas they've put forward that you think are bad?
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Look, I think.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Are you going to match us?
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: We'll come out when we're ready.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a race on social media. So when's that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: What day is that going to happen?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: We're working through it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry, Barnaby.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Don't you worry about that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry about that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Are there any ideas that you don't like?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Look, I think... Not many.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: No, I think reducing the amount of temporary graduate visas
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: is really important.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You think it's a good idea?
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good idea, absolutely.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Any bad ideas?
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: I think stopping the visa hopping is a very good idea.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: What are our bad ideas? Well, the bad.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Idea is that you haven't really explained how you're going
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: to do it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, the problem is that the Liberal Party
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: haven't exactly explained their policy either. Now, all we've heard
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: from the Liberal Party is that they would tie the
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: number of people coming into this country to the number
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of homes being constructed. And they've also previously flagged that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: it would be on a value system. Well, how many
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: people would you let in? What is your net overseas
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: migration rate? And as for the Labor Party today coming
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: out criticising this plan, well, firstly, Tony Burke cancelled his
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: speech at the National Press Club a couple of weeks ago.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: He's too scared. It was a month ago. A month ago.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Too scared to outline his plan. And we know it's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: a Ponzi scheme economy. The only thing keeping us afloat
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: is migration right now, Michelle.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But what do you think? Do you think that this
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: is a good proposal from One Nation?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Look, the devil is in the detail. I know you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: hear people say that all the time, but absolutely here.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: There is no costings.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We don't know what it's going to cost. I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there is a real fear around the skilled migration. I mean,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: they're almost halving that. I think that that could really
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: economically harm us. We rely on a lot of skilled migration.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of... jobs that we can't find
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: people to fill. And that is just a fact. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, just blanket like throwing out, we're
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: going to cut this, this and this, I don't think
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: will absolutely help anyone. But I want to know if
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they have done any of the costings around that, because
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it would be a very different story if they have.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: And I think sometimes One.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Nation confuses you know, whether it's a policy debate or
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a culture war, and I think that that's what we've
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: got to be really cautious about. I'm all about, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: being firm on migration, but we can't be adopting policies
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: which are economically damaging, and I think that sometimes that's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: what One Nation does because they are very warrior in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: their stance to, you know, protect Australia, and that's great,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: but also we have to look at the bigger picture,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and that's the economics of the situation.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: OK, but we don't know what the economics are going
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: to look like.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean, but we've got to do the policy.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: OK, so then is the answer then to just do nothing?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying do nothing, but, like, what are
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the costings on halving skilled migration? Because if we don't
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: have people here to build the homes that we can't
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: live in, I think that's a real problem.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: OK, so, well, there you've got issues of red tape,
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: green tape, grey tape, blue tape. 100%.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: That's an issue there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: But also we need people to build them.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Of course we do, but listen to the actual detail
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: of this policy. Temporary skilled worker visas will remain demand-driven
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: by employers and no new cap introduced, but family members
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: in future will no longer be granted secondary visas.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Listen to the numbers of what's happening in our country.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Student visas, right, which is categorised under subclass five, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: primary student.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Visas fall into 522,374 people.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Dependents, 67,000, right?
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: 549 graduate visas, 269,674. Of those, 73,000 are dependents.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Right, then you go to temporary skilled visas, 263,000, bridging
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: visa holders, 412,000 people hopping from visa to visa, trying
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: to stay in our country and clogging up the court system,
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: going through multiple appeals and all on the taxpayer's dime.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: No, and I agree, that's terrible.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: 80,000 people are here illegally. They're here illegally. Unlawful non-citizens.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're probably English backpackers living in Bondi.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Like, literally.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but they need to go. The answer is
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: they need to go.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: They've overstayed.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: They've overstayed.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: And I think it is such a disingenuous attempt now
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: from so many different arms of the political parties now
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: who are sitting here saying, well, what is the detail?
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: And the devil's in the detail. That's fine. Of course
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: But when I'm listening to all of this and that
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: is the detail, I'm starting to hear some common sense.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: I'm starting to hear a party that's actually recognising that
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: when it comes to polls, issues that are plaguing Australians
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: right now, number one is cost of living, number two, migration.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: But we have.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And we have people, you know, struggling to get workers to, like.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: OK, but temporary skilled.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Worker visas will remain demand-driven by employers. That doesn't sound
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: like they're going to go around with an axe and start.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Completely slashing everybody. But they've also said that the numbers
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are going down to 70,000.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: That's almost half. Yeah, but that's over a three-year period. Right? Eventually,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you're going to get to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We rely so heavily on skilled migration, more than what
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: most people would expect, that I think this could be
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a real issue for us. I know David Farley actually
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: spoke about his own electorate the other night with Paul Murray,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: where he actually said that almost all of their workers
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: who were going out and doing the crops and picking
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the fruit.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: They're all skilled migrations.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but she's not saying to cut every single skilled
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: migrant worker here.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: In fact, what she's actually looking to do.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: No, but, like, she's given numbers, though.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but what she's actually... Yeah, but, again, she's also
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: said that it's tied. Temporary skilled worker visas will remain
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: demand-driven by employers. So it sounds like the focus is
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: more on what we need and less of what.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: We don't need. And I don't understand how that's a
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: bad thing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is, I applaud One Nation for
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: actually putting figures on the table because this is what
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: we don't have right now in this political debate. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I honestly believe that migration is such an acute vote-driving issue.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think that more Australians are aware of it in
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: different facets of it. There's so much that covers migration.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: But we haven't got numbers on the table.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: You've got Labor wasting our time claiming that they are
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: bringing down migrational levels. Well, according to the budget documents,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: as I read out earlier... things paint a very different picture.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: You've got the Coalition toing and froing, still not putting
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: a number on the NOM, saying that they'll do it
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: closer to an election. Why don't you just put it
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: to the people? Go out there and back yourself. Back
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: your number. Put it on the table. And finally we've
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: got One Nation actually giving us numbers to contemplate.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: But the Coalition is sitting there and they're doing serious, like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: debate on it and they're looking into the numbers and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: they're making sure they get it right before they present it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I think One Nation time and time again has just.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Presented stuff and then how many times has she presented
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: something on migration?
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: And it's all been a furphy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's like she's got it wrong or she's got it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: right and she's had to backtrack and now she's back
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: out with numbers.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: So I'm sorry.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I'd much rather the Coalition take their time and produce
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: something that they can stand by and actually make sense.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Just look at what's going on in Canada. Carney's the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: perfect example before we move on, right?
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: He actually introduced a cap on international students and tightened
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: the reins on things.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Which I think we should.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: But said that there would be short-term pain, right?
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: So they saw a slight fluctuation, a decrease in their population.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Student visa.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, but there was also other visas that fall into
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: the same category that One Nation are pushing forward here too.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Said there would be short-term pain. Their GDP, so their
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: actual population, shrunk slightly. And now they're in a situation
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: where they're actually, their GDP, so their standard of living
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: has improved.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how that goes because the US is
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: clamping down on all their trade, so.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking about Pauline Hanson, though, questions are being raised today
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: about Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce, who spent a night
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: at Gina Reinhart's $ 20 million mansion after they had a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: fundraiser there. Now, people are saying that, you know, they
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: should have maybe declared it. Barnaby claims she's a friend and,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you wouldn't declare staying at a friend's.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Here's Sarah Hanson-Young.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they say if you want a friend in politics,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: get a dog.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But it seems as though for the leader of One Nation,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, get a Gina.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I don't necessarily agree with that analogy.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Are you calling Gina a dog?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: That's not really the.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Best example of political correctness right there from our very
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: own Greens senator. But anyway, for me, this is about politics,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: political transparency. I think What they should be doing is 100%
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: they should be declaring it. I understand that it's a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: friend and I understand that, you know, they probably, they
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have dealings with Gina Reinhart and I don't mind that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of dealings with Gina Reinhart.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I think that that's fine.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: But I think be transparent about it because then nobody...
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: will look into it any deeper than what it is
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: if you're completely transparent. One of the things we always
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: talk about is how Anthony Albanese is not transparent, about
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: how so many times we see members of the political
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: class go to secret dinners or do certain things, and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: they're not fully transparent about it.
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  Speaker 5: I say declare everything.
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  Speaker 2: They slept at her house.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so he's... I don't think that's a big deal
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: when you've got... It's not the first foray into billionaire donors.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I mean, though. They stayed at her house.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Big deal.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: If they stayed at any of her properties, big deal.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I just don't get what the issue is.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: OK, so Barnaby Joyce pointed to the fact that they've
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: been friends for over a decade, right?
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: So you mentioned that there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Danika, if I welcome you to my home, which I
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: would be happy to do any day of the.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Week, likewise you, Michelle.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Do you have.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: A $ 20 million mansion?
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Well, when I do.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: How good are you doing? When I do, let me
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: tell you, ladies, I'm not. And if you run into... Well,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you are in poverty. I will declare it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I'd have to declare it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I'll give it a rest. No, you wouldn't, because let
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: me tell you something.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: In the provision, it actually says, the provision of meals
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: or accommodation excludes hospitality provided in a purely social way
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: by friends or colleagues.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: So what are we talking about here?
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: And I find it so fascinating from, you know, the
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: other side of the political aisle now where you've got
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: all these people screeching about it, chief among them Labor politicians.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: When, cast your mind back to July, and we had
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: to deal with the issue of the Point Piper mansion.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: And Prime Minister Anthony Albanese being so evasive.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: In interviews thereafter.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: They all should be declaring everything.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: But if you... I just read out the guidelines.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: If that's just hospitality being provided in a purely social
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: way by.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Friends or colleagues.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: How many times did the guidelines get it wrong, though?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: How many times do politicians get tripped up.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Well, Annika Wells still has a job.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Well, she still has a job. Annika's still going on.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: She's still going to the AFL grand final, girlfriend. She's
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: going to be shaking it to Kylie Minogue.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Annika's still going on. No, exactly. Exactly. I just... Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I think Labor knows a lot about billionaire donors.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, they do.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure how it can be.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Goodness me, Lindsay Fox, Forrest. I mean, we could go
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: on and on and on.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: The list goes on.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: The list does go on, in fact, and this is
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: an ad that is just going on and on and on.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: And as it goes on and on and on, it
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: tends to.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: caused people to completely erupt, right?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: And that's what it's done.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: Sydney Sweeney, we all remember her, right, when she donned
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: those jeans and it was all so controversial for that
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: brand American Eagle.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Well, now she's copying more.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Backlash from women in sport, including prominent Australian Olympians for
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: her raunchy new ad campaign. Before I go on any further,
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: I have to let you in on it all. Let's
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: take a look at it.
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  Speaker 4: Think you know sports?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Prove it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Novig is just sports. So they wanted a show.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: That was a G-rated version of it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: If you're a blue-blooded male, a straight heterosexual male, I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: sure that you would have watched that with admiration.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Am I going to blame you for that? Guess what?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: The answer's no. But everyone is blowing up.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: About this, including, as I said, our own female Olympians.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Ariane Titmuss, a beloved Olympian of our own here in Australia,
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: she took to social media to say,' I wasn't going
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: to share this' as I didn't want to give this
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: any more attention,' but I can't keep my mouth shut.'
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I can't describe how infuriated I feel when I watch this.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Not only is this a kick in the face to
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: every woman who has dedicated her life to perfecting her craft...
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: but every woman who enjoys sports for what it really is. Teamwork, friendship, dedication, excellence, unity,
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: the list goes on. I thought we were genuinely moving
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: past this BS. What is this teaching the young men
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: and women of today? Sydney Sweeney, do better. Now, she's
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: become quite a punching bag for everyone, particularly ever since
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: they outed her.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: As a Republican.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: It seems that you can't be an attractive woman and
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: get your kid off because whatever happened to the feminist
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: movement of her body, her choice?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: But the thing I find infuriating about this is that if.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: This, Danika, was an ad that was specifically about women's sports,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: I'd be furious too.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I'm a woman that's covered women's sports. I've lived through
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the era of our very.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Own Matildas having to take their clothes off in calendars
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: just to generate attention.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: We've moved past that now.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: But this isn't an ad about women's sports. This is
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: an ad about a bet trading company called Novig, which
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: is skewed towards males. We're talking about 48% of young
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: men have an active online betting account. And the reality
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: is that men gamble at roughly twice the frequency and.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Rate that women do. This is an ad geared towards women,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: geared towards men.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Just like Magic Mike, which raked in hundreds of millions
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: of dollars at the box office that women didn't mind
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: ogling at, was geared towards as well.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely agree. Now, can you imagine if it
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: was a man posing like this? Nobody would bat an eyelid,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: but because she is an attractive woman, she's hot, she's
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: white and she's blonde, the left get annoyed, just like
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: they were with the American Eagle advert. Well, let me say,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: American Eagle jeans went up 26% in shares.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: It went through the roof. This ad will do well.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I just think that, you know what, is that really
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: what they're upset about now?
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Why aren't they upset about men competing in women's sports?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: But now, you know, all of a sudden it's, oh, no, well,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: she can't because she's... you know, very raunchy and not
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: showing clout.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: She's hot. Who cares? Sex sells.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: This is on brand for Sydney Sweeney. If you have
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: seen any of her adverts or all.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Of her adverts, they're pretty much in the same vein.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: And even in Euphoria, this is exactly how she was.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But I do think it does take women a bit
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: backwards by making sex the centrepiece.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a little bit unnecessary.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And I get why some women who've worked extremely hard
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to be taken seriously in sport would maybe get offended.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: But she's not asking to be taken seriously.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: It's not a sporting ad.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I'm also going to agree with you as well and say.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I'm going to agree.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: With you as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And say that, you know, maybe everyone needs to just
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: calm down.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Take a breath. It's not all offence. I agree. You
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: This is the least thing on the list that should
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: be offensive. Alright, coming up next, speaking of fundraisers, a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: businessman who attended a Labor fundraiser with Anthony Albanese has
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: been charged with.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Selling banned weapons. That's next on the Front Pages. Welcome back.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages, starting with
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the Australian. The headline there, AI heavies PM with an
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: open threat exclusive. OpenAI has issued an ultimatum in a
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: bid to strong-arm Anthony Albanese into breaking his promise to
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: protect creative industries. declaring it will not even consider investing
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: in domestic AI training or renewable energy if the government
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: refuses to water down copyright laws amid grassroots backlash to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the spread of data centres and warnings that AI is
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: developing fast enough to endanger humanity. Assistant Technology Minister Andrew
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Charlton told The Australian... that the AI and data centre
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: revolution would rival the mining boom's economic output from 2003
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to 2013, but provide more long lasting benefits through productivity gains. Well, look,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you can stop AI. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: don't know how you do it at the moment. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: think it's just that the horse is absolutely bolted. I
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: know that governments around the world are scrambling to try
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and rein it in.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And perhaps, yes, it is probably a threat.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, I'm actually warming to data centres
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: and the possibilities of what they might, of what they
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: could do, particularly when it comes to energy.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: I find it really interesting because depending upon who you
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: speak to, you'll get a different version of events about AI.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: And I was having this fascinating conversation with a mathematician
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: recently and.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: He said that.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Of course you were.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: I found this young man so interesting, such a fascinating individual,
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: really admired him for his intelligence. But I asked him
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: about AI and how he felt about it in his
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: sort of space and how it would impact his learning.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: And he said, I've tested it multiple times to see
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: if it can do anything better than what I can do.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: And oftentimes it's just solving the equation quicker. He said,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: it's not actually offering anything new beyond my capabilities or
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: anyone else's capabilities in my field. So I found that
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: to be interesting. He wasn't as kind of, I guess,
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: feeling as, how do I phrase this? He wasn't feeling
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: as caught up in all of the hysteria and the
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: fear mongering around it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: The problem is when children and adolescents use it instead
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of using their brain.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I think that is the issue.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I think we could, we're on the precipice of becoming
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: people who have brains that aren't as active.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: And I think that that is something we need to really.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, I agree with all of that.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: But are you buying into the doomsday language around it? Like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: we had the former employee from Anthropic resign. We saw
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: that story today where he's saying that by the end
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: of the decade it could.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Be killing people.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's a bit dramatic, isn't it?
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Is it a bit alarmist? No, that's... Look, Y2K. That
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: is very dramatic.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Y2K. Yes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Y2K.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's also why I always say please and thank
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you to ChatGPT in case he does.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: No, but you know that that fuels the data center.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: But you know that that is fueling more energy on
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: the data center.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm wasting so much more water by saying please and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: thank you, but I might save my life.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: And to say thank you, Michelle, with a smiley face
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: for the response.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Very polite, ChatGPT. Yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Also on the front page there, the discarded generation. Suddenly
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: it's urgent, though not in Canberra.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Exclusive.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: The West Australian government is scrambling to address shocking revelations
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: that vulnerable Indigenous children at dire risk of sexual abuse
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and neglect are being ignored by local authorities, admitting it
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: was unacceptable that kids as young as five were living
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: unsupervised in squalid conditions. The Australian has detailed how up
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: to 15 children as young as five years old were
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: living without adults at a house in Frisbee Court, South Hedland,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: for up to a week.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: At a time.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Look, this is a real national disgrace and this is
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: not the first time we've heard stories like this. This
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: is nothing new, but there seems to be a lack
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of urgency to want to talk about it. And anybody
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: who does go to talk about it are labelled racist.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: And we've seen this time and time again. And, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I mentioned this on the Bolt Report tonight. Melandiri McCarthy
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: held a press conference today specifically to talk about Pauline
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Hanson's comments. Why was she not on the first flight
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: out to Port Hedland today? to be on the ground,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to be dealing with this crisis because kids out there
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: and kids in all remote communities, even in the Northern Territory,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: need our support than ever before. Yet all this virtue signalling,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: the money that's been spent is doing nothing.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: I'm so devastated by this. I mean, the revelations of
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: this are just so harrowing. Pat Mason, who is a
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: Carriara elder, was quoted on the Australian report.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: He's saying.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: This is a dangerous thing for me to say, but
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: interfering with kids is rife in my culture. Aboriginal men
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: think it's their right to have access to a girl
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: of 12 or 13. Dare I mention the name Kumanjayi
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: Little Baby and these revelations that are coming out time
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: and time again that you have these children who are
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: living in these squalid conditions in deep and utter distress.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Neglect, abuse. What are we doing? And this is not
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a new thing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: This has been going on for years and years and years.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And yet nothing is being done. But we have to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: do a welcome to country. But yet we have to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: do all these things because, what, that might save.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: An Indigenous life, but it's not.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Stand up and we need to take accountability for what
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: is actually going on in these places.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: But these are the real issues.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: These are the real issues.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But no one is doing anything about it because it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: just too difficult. So they'd rather just ignore it and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: then virtue signal their way through it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: And it makes me so mad.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: So mad. I'm with you all the way. These tokenistic gestures,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the welcomes, the acknowledgements. What's it done? Nothing.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And just quickly also on the front page, Albanese's dinner
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: with weapons accused, a Turek businessman who attended a Labor
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Party fundraising dinner with Anthony Albanese and former Victorian Labor
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Premier Daniel Andrews has been charged by police with selling
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: banned weapons.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Including swords and knives.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Self-styled digital entrepreneur Kunyul Atul Shah... sat opposite the PM
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: at the event in November 2024, attended by 10 Indian-Australian
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: business figures and was later photographed standing alongside Mr Albanese.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you just never know who's going to be at
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: these dinners, do you?
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: But I attend a lot of dinners.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I attend a lot of dinners.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: The Daily Telegraph now, this is not a game.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: They've got an exclusive.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: New federal probe into gaming sites brainwashing our young kids
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and luring them into extremism. The radicalisation of children through
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: online video games will be a core focus of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: new probe examining how kids are being lured by extremist
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and pro-terror groups following revelations from ASIO that one in
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: five priority counter-terrorism cases now involves young people. Labor Senator
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and the Chair of the powerful Parliamentary Joint Committee on
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the Intelligence and Security personally lobbied Home Affairs Minister Tony
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Burke for an inquiry into how kids were being groomed
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: by terrorist actors. Now, we know that this has been
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: an issue for a very long time and we know
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: ASIO has been flagging it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: But do I think that anything is going to be done?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You know, we had been calling anti-Semitism for years and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: yet Bondi.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Terror attacks happened.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It's like ASIO keeps flagging things and the government keeps
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: ignoring it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Well, David Elliott actually made a good point about this.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: We were talking about it last week because the statistics
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: show that... the de-radicalisation programs are not working. And he
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: mentioned on the show that as long as one person
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: is de-radicalised.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That's better than none.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: And I thought that's actually a very good point. He
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: was the state's first counter-terrorism minister.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: It is a good point.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: One is better than none and they don't expect... when
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: it comes to de-radicalisation, for it to happen overnight. You
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: don't suddenly wake up the next day and you don't
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: have thoughts of being a terrorist.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: But can I seriously ask a question?
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Why should it be up to us as a nation
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: to babysit these people? We've got over 200 people in
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: these programs in which they're attempting to de-radicalise these children,
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: which we've seen reports come out today, and Peter Credlin
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: covered this extensively on her program tonight, where she spoke
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: about the fact that statistically it's actually not working and
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: they're coming out and these kids are becoming more radicalised
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: So when you've got that type of data that's being
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: presented to you and we're in a situation where this
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: is being funded by the taxpayer, I agree with what
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: Senator Malcolm Roberts said.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: On the chamber floor.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: He said this is the solution to de-radicalisation programs.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: From One Nation. It's a boarding pass. It's a ticket
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: out of here.
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah. If you are treating this country like it's not
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: your own and you are not adopting our values and
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: subscribing to Team Australia, guess what?
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Get out of here. We don't have time for it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: But I do think the bigger issue, though, is the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: gaming sites and what they're doing to our children without
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  Speaker 1: people having any understanding.
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  Speaker 4: Where are the parents? Where are the parents?
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  Speaker 6: And quickly on the advertiser, Wayala, you've heard this story
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  Speaker 6: a lot today on the brink as the furnace closure
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  Speaker 6: sends 500 jobs.
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  Speaker 4: Up in smoke, a city in smeltdown.
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  Speaker 6: Hundreds of Wyala workers will lose their jobs because the
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  Speaker 6: ageing blast furnace in the town's beleaguered steelworks has been
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: shut down. A big problem for them to address, Danika?
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  Speaker 2: It is a huge problem.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we know that Wyala is really the heart
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  Speaker 3: and soul out there and it is a real concern.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that wasn't Albo meant to save Wyella.
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  Speaker 2: Was it?
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  Speaker 6: No, no, they're going to a pre-cop summit where I think,
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: was it five leaders are attending?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Five leaders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, another Bowen special. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: All right, coming up after the break, Megan gives us
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  Speaker 3: an exclusive look at her behind-the-scenes life in Britain six
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  Speaker 3: years after she left Britain.
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  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Great news, everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Harry and Meghan have given us a glimpse into their
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  Speaker 3: life in the UK, you know, six years after they
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  Speaker 3: left the UK, six years after they said they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: possibly ever return to the UK and six years after
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  Speaker 3: they begged for privacy.
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  Speaker 2: But now the privacy tour has just gone to a
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  Speaker 2: whole new level. Oh, it's Vision. Sorry, it's Vision. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was audio.
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  Speaker 3: My apologies there. They are holding hands. They're always in love,
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  Speaker 3: aren't they? And good news, we also got a glimpse
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  Speaker 3: of the back of the kids' heads again, as if
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  Speaker 3: we haven't seen the back of their heads again. Megan
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  Speaker 3: waving to the cameras. It's just all beautifully staged, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't get the hate and the
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  Speaker 1: pile on. Like, they don't really bother me. I don't
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to them.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean you don't get it? I don't
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  Speaker 4: get it.
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  Speaker 1: Like, a lot of people love to hate on her
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Have you ever explored why people like to hate on her?
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  Speaker 5: People just love to hate on her and I'm just like.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Just she makes jams.
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  Speaker 4: She's annoying. I get it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, $ 50 jams, however much she was flogging.
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  Speaker 4: Them off for.
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  Speaker 5: But she's no longer making the jams.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, because they're sitting in warehouses because nobody was
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  Speaker 3: buying them.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: They're going off.
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  Speaker 6: They passed their expiry date, so. I just, I'd love
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  Speaker 6: to know the motives. Why are you back in the UK?
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't it all smell a bit like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're going to get a reality series of
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  Speaker 3: Harry and Meghan in the Cotswolds, Harry and Meghan hiking trails.
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  Speaker 2: Through the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think maybe his dad is sicker than we
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  Speaker 1: think and then maybe he's going back because he wants
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  Speaker 1: to have.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Harry wants money off Daddy, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's going to kiss the ring so he can potentially,
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  Speaker 6: you know, pepper himself up for the estate.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: OK, well, let's move on to tennis. You want to
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: move on from them. Because we love tennis.
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  Speaker 1: On the back and forth of tennis, Germany's Alexander Zverev
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  Speaker 1: has won the second major of his career and of
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  Speaker 1: the year after taking down America's Ben Shelton in four
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  Speaker 1: sets at the US Open final. Here's Alexander Zverev now. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell I've come from Bali.
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  Speaker 4: Alexander Zverev is the US Open champion.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he realizes. He didn't know.
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  Speaker 6: My goodness.
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  Speaker 4: That is incredible.
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  Speaker 5: So for context, it wasn't just that he won.
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  Speaker 4: He just didn't realise he'd won.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder how he didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hello.
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  Speaker 4: He gave a cute speech too.
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  Speaker 6: He got up and he said, you know, he had
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  Speaker 6: been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when he was four
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  Speaker 6: years old and his mother at the time had said,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm not going to let you decide basically
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: what my son can and can't be.
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  Speaker 4: And look at what he's gone on to do.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's actually incredible.
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  Speaker 5: I love tennis. I love watching tennis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great story.
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  Speaker 4: It's a fantastic sport. Really good.
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  Speaker 6: And you're that good that you don't even know that
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  Speaker 6: you won. Speaking of that good, this is quite concerning, actually.
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  Speaker 6: This gave me a reason to pause. And if you're
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: into your motorcycles, this one will be right up your alley.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, it occurred in Idaho in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: But this gentleman thought he'd take to the road and
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  Speaker 6: show us.
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  Speaker 4: Some of his daredevil tricks. Let's have a look.
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  Speaker 6: Crikey, I've skydived in my time, but that one is
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: just too beyond the power for me.
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  Speaker 4: You skydive? Well, I have skydived.
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  Speaker 6: But we have to be clear, no one was injured, right?
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  Speaker 4: So he came out of that very safe.
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  Speaker 2: No one was injured. People think, oh, wow, you're so skilled,
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  Speaker 2: you're amazing, incredible. All right, thanks, ladies. Thank you to
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  Speaker 2: everybody at home. We've got to go. Up next is
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  Speaker 2: the Rita Panahy show. Good night.