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We're not disappointed, we're just mad + Chef has us play a fun game (S4//E45) · Cocaine Willie

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  Cocaine. Cocaine.
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  What's up everybody? You're listening to yet another
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  Things are things are bad. I'm not disappointed, I'm just
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  mad. I'm just mad.
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  I'm I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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  I'm the opposite of that. We're bad I.
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  Have no idea what's going on. I mean it's it is at all time
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  low. I think I've watched.
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  Oh man, this is AK State Sports podcast so it is technically my
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  duty to watch every game right? Is that what we signed up for?
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  It is the muster, brother. It is funny that you mentioned
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  that because one of our most recent reviews on Apple Podcast,
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  which if you're listening to this, by the way, give us five
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  stars, give us a rating on Apple Podcast.
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  But Emma Zoomer said one out of five.
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  I miss when these guys were good.
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  Seems like they don't even watch the games.
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  Oh my God. Pretty on the nose, pretty spot
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  on. Wow, I am watching the games.
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  To be fair I am watching the games but.
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  What? What good can we talk about?
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  I mean I talking. About the team or was he talking
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  about us? Yeah.
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  He's talking talking about that. He's talking about us.
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  The. Orsche Zoomer.
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  Eemaw Zoomer. Shout out to Eemaw.
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  Zoomer, come out of the woodwork and join the pod you would.
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  Happily have you on, yeah? We would love to have you on the
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  pod. Because there's nothing good.
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  There's nothing good to talk about right now.
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  All right, all wise. I'll bite.
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  I'll bite. OK.
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  All right, let's talk about. Let's talk about it.
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  Shit, where do we want to start? West Virginia?
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  Iowa State. Can't talk about.
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  Iowa State, There's literally nothing to talk about in Iowa
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  State. I mean, I've got I've got the
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  comments from post game after the Iowa State lost.
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  That's that's what I have here. But.
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  That's. Great.
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  Well. That's a whole separate thing.
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  The post games are tough. Exactly.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  You want to talk ball? You want to talk about the games
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  Matt and I recorded during the West Virginia game we got to.
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  I at least watched the second-half.
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  I don't know about. Well, watch the second-half of
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  that game. Absolute disaster, totally fell
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  apart. And then in the the Iowa State
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  game, I mean the first 3 minutes of the game, it looked like you
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  maybe had a pulse and then chef's favorite player, CJ Jones
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  comes in and then the wheels come off the wagon.
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  Hold on, hold on. Why is it CJ Jones's fault for
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  putting it and? Taking him back after he entered
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  the portal. It was technically when Lipsy
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  had three straight possessions of steals.
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  That's when it ended. That was that was bad.
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  I mean, you can't he just decided, you know, these guys
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  don't care about the ball. The turnovers became a problem
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  and then they just stretched out.
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  I you know, I was looking at other things.
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  I put my phone down. I turned the channel for a
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  second. I look back up and it's 45 to 15
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  or 14 or something insane. I'm just like, what the hell,
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  What happened? I mean, it's insane the there,
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  there's no depth on the team, there's no energy on the team,
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  there's no cohesion, there's no good line up that you can just
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  like pound on for however many minutes.
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  And that's not even addressing the reason why a lot of that is,
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  you know, not the reason why, but there's factors to it.
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  Obviously Moby gone. I don't know if you've touched
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  that. Don't know if we need to touch
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  that. He needs to stop touching that.
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  And there's, there's other factors.
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  I mean, just there's a lot of stuff that's going on and
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  there's nothing really tan can do.
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  And it's his fault. So he's he's dug the hole, he's
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  lying and he, he left the shovel outside the hole.
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  He can't even dig him way his way out of the hole there.
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  There's nothing he can do. It's it's the ship has sunk.
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  And I mean there's we could talk specifically about like sections
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  of the game, but it's not like the old seasons where oh Tang,
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  he didn't call time out when they went on a run.
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  Like there's nothing that he can do.
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  He is he is nothing. He's there's nothing that
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  anybody can do anything. This team is just not talented
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  enough, not deep enough, not good enough.
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  And, and, and the bad thing is he admits it.
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  Like he says, Iowa State's a better team.
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  Obviously, dude, what are you talking about?
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  Like, come on, let's get a grip. There's there's a clear
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  dichotomy to this team where reality is obviously set in and
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  they've just lost it. Man, yeah, that's really good.
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  I mean, I for as much as I mean, they played eight guys in this
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  game and you know, a lot of that obviously is not having Abby
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  Bashir, not having Kamari McGriff, obviously Rupiah, you
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  know, having three guys who are getting a good portion of your
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  minutes, you know, for a majority of the season, but
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  you're down 34 to 11 with at the seven minute mark in the first
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  half. Like this team is just broken in
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  a lot of ways and it starts right at the top.
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  This is a coach right now who I think is like, what stage of
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  grief are we at? You know, it, it really is kind
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  of at that point when you are listening to him in his press
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  conference. But this is a team that from the
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  top is just fundamentally broken.
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  And it's, I mean, it's sad to see.
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  Obviously, we have a team that's one and eight in the Big 12.
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  And there's no way at this point, I think that they're
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  going to be able to stop this bleeding.
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  Yeah, maybe they're going to get one or two more wins in Big 12
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  play when you're playing the back half of this, you know, the
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  conference standings the next handful of weeks.
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  But I don't see how this team is coached out of this rut.
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  I really don't. Iowa State's a great team.
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  I mean, I I think it was very easy to, you know, you watch
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  them through the season, they're 7th in the country right now.
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  They have talent, but for as much as people in the K State
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  community and fan base like kind of talk shit on TJ.
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  Also burger fact that matter is every single season he gets the
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  right personnel and he coaches this his team and gets them
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  ready for Big 12 play and they go on to do whatever in the NCAA
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  tournament this and that. But that's a great program and
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  he's done a great job of building it.
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  And Jerome Tang has not done a good job in the past three years
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  and he has done the wrong things from a talent perspective and
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  trying to bring cohesive guys together.
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  And it's very evident what the stages of each program are when
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  we're watching this game on Sunday.
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  So I, I just think that the, the program right now is just
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  fundamentally flawed and we're seeing a game to game.
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  You think about the West Virginia game in the second-half
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  of that game and it's, it's a rock fight.
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  You're not scoring a lot of points.
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  You know, I would say a better defensive effort obviously on
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  our side, but the last handful possessions in that game
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  offensively were extremely, extremely bad.
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  And the thought process of having PJ kind of running this
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  offense and doing these things is just not working.
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  It has not worked, you know, which is crazy because you think
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  about the beginning of the year and yes, PJ was scoring a lot of
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  points, but the offense was I think flowing a little bit
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  better and it is just completely stopped in that regard.
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  I don't know where this team goes and with all of the media
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  attention now being talked about Jerome Tang's contract and the
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  buyout and and whatnot, I mean, this is a team that I just
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  thought I don't see. Obviously I don't see where the
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  improvements going to come in the back half of Big 12 play,
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  but I just I do not see a way where Jerome Tang is going to be
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  here next year with the way this team is playing.
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  It just looks so poor. The effort has has is lacking
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  and I just don't see a way out of this watching it from the
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  outside. You mentioned Otzelberger and
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  the thing that I'll say to, to piggyback on what you're
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  mentioning is not only is he bringing in the right personnel,
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  he's retaining that personnel. He's got guys on that team that
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  have been on that team came in. Lipsy's been there I think since
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  he was a freshman. He was recruited by Otzelberger
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  out of high school. You've got Mom Chilovich, who I
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  think was recruited by him out of high school.
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  Like these guys have been in the program for years upon years
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  upon years. And Tang has said multiple
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  times, he talked about it after the Drake game last year, after
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  the loss to Drake. He talks about it in the lost
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  losses to Houston. We got to do the Houston model.
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  We got to retain these guys. We got to keep guys in the
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  program. I agree with him.
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  But you can't say that and then rebuild your roster every single
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  season after the season ends and bring in these pieces that
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  before PJ Haggerty landed in their laps, we were all saying
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  that this roster construction didn't make sense.
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  Everybody in K State media, everybody with a podcast or fan
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  cast was saying the roster construction didn't make sense,
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  he adds in Steven O say, knowing that he was going to red shirt
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  and be injured all season, wasting a scholarship spot on
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  him. And then you go out and you get
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  PJ and then you go out and you get Doreen Buca because you, you
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  were wish casting hoping that Tyreke Smith's waiver was going
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  to get approved when it was never going to get approved from
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  the beginning. We, we all knew that wasn't
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  going to get approved. It was going to take a miracle
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  for that to happen. So he's going out in this West
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  Virginia press conference from a week ago saying, oh, there's
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  three guys on this roster who should be on this roster right
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  now. And no, no, there aren't.
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  If you have logic and reason, you should have hedged your bets
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  and known like, hey, best case scenario, we can use one or two
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  of the leftover scholarship spots on guys that we're waiting
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  on waivers for. Let's go out and build the team
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  as if these guys aren't going to be here.
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  Let's not try to try to just assume they're going to be part
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  of the team. And then it's funny because your
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  your fail safe and Doreen Buca turns out to be one of the
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  better, most like he's been one of the better developed players
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  all season. You look at a guy like Buca, you
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  look at a guy like David Castillo, and those are probably
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  the bright spots when we look at what what's actually happened.
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  I mean, PJ Haggerty's padding his stats in every single game,
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  but that's because nobody else around him is really worth a
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  damn, especially when we get down the depth chart and you got
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  Big Mac, Marcus Johnson out there throwing up a prayer.
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  CJ Jones is shooting 29% from the field.
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  He's got a he's got a lower hit rate than Punxsutawney Phil.
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  He does. Punxsutawney feels right 39% of
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  the time, CJ Jones, 29%. Just throwing that out there.
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  Crazy. I mean, it's it's absolutely
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  insane. The roster, yeah, the just the
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  talent, the lack of it, the the direction of the program and and
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  like the signs were there and we all knew like it was like you
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  said, Bob, but we just knew something wasn't right with how
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  we were going about building this roster.
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  I mean, the money's been there all that stuff.
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  We just maybe they struck out on guys, I don't know, and then
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  they had some fall back guys. But yeah, you can't you can't go
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  in thinking that you have a guy on the roster that we all know
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  was not going to get that and then not going to make it onto
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  the team. And then just go ahead and blame
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  like the failures of that on this.
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  Like it's it's insane. I and then like like throughout
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  the season. So K state social media has just
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  been like blocking the comments after the scores have been
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  posted. It's just they know it.
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  It's bad and it's just what what is the answer?
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  What what do we want to happen? I think we all do.
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  We want a mid season firing. That's not going to happen,
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  right? No.
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  No. Do we have another season under
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  tank? The buyout is astronomical, so
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  that's tough to come about. I mean, I just there's no way
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  and even OK, let's say let's let's get a little glass half
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  full. I know it's in.
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  I know it's really, really hard. Let's say he gets another
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  season. What has what does he have to do
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  to even get back in good graces with Kansas State fans?
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  Because he's kind of ostracized the fans even from the
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  beginning. But you're winning at that
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  point. So we can't like knock you like
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  you're winning games. You stand on things, expect to
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  win all that stuff like poo, poo on us crowd, you know, the crowd
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  rushing the court, OK, but we're winning games.
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  So I can't really knock you for it, but what, what would he have
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  to do to get back in the good graces, if that's possible?
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  Win the Big 12 tournament and go to the NCAA tournament.
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  That's the only thing that he can do at this point to get back
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  in the good graces. I'm not kidding.
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  That's the only thing that you can do to get back in the good
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  graces of K State fans. Because if you're not doing
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  that, he's not the head coach next year.
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  He and he shouldn't be. He shouldn't be.
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  He wins in Lawrence. I mean, I don't know, it's I.
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  Mean it's shades of Woolie in 2000 and Six 2005.
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  I think it's just to get into good graces.
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  I mean, for me, I just think about like how much I love
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  basketball, K State basketball this this season is a absolute
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  lost, lost cause and my interest in K State basketball has
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  decreased exponentially because of the season.
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  I mean, I, I think something good that we or something that
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  we do have to think about this program, though, and the success
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  that we had in the 20 tens for the most part, that was a really
• 19:54
  good decade at K State basketball.
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  Like you had two Elite Eights you had.
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  Multiple NCAA tournament appearances, but in the grand
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  scheme of things, in a what, 8 year time frame?
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  7 year time frame since the last time Bruce Weber made the NCAA
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  Tournament and Jerome Tang's tenure, this has not been a good
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  program for seven years, 7-8 years.
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  It's outside of one run in the NCAA Tournament where you go to
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  the Elite 8. I think A, we have such a
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  passionate fan base that has an expectation that game in and
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  game out, you're a competitive and we had that for I would say
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  a decade or a good portion of the 20 tens.
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  And for now, we're halfway through this decade and it is
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  hard for me as a fan to watch K State basketball.
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  It is really hard. And that's your jam.
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  And that's my jam, despite what some people in Apple comments
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  say. So in the grand scheme of
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  things, it's hard to talk about K State basketball because it's
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  not exciting to watch. We don't have what I would say
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  are personalities on the team that show a passion about K
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  State, which I think may have something to do with the
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  different kind of context we're in with NIL and whatnot.
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  That's that's fine. But the the one thing is I don't
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  see a culture that is being built in the program outside of
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  the first year that Jerome Tang comes in, brings in a set of
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  guys that for the most part were a really good team together, But
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  they had built a culture in that first year of kind of this.
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  I felt this team, it was a tough team that understood the
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  situation that they were in, picked last in the Big 12 for
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  one of the worst teams in the Big 12.
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  And they found ways to win differently scoring, you know,
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  this and that. There's just no like culture,
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  marketable culture with this K state program right now.
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  And that is the tough thing for me to watch.
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  A team that just does not have it together and a staff that is
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  not building something. And this is kind of what we're
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  ended up with. A team that, you know, there is
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  a very apathetic group and a apathetic fan base that I think
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  knew off the bat that we were not going to beat Iowa State
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  four days before we were playing the game like, and that's
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  that's, that's the hard thing to take away from it.
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  Just a heads up, I am making beef stroganoff tomorrow after
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  you mentioned that on the last the last pod you were on so.
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  That's a lot, yeah. Good luck.
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  Hell yeah. Are you putting mushrooms in it?
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  Yes, I am of. Course, how do you do?
• 25:25
  Are are you like, are you like a store bought can mushroom kind
• 25:31
  of guy or are you? No A.
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  Sliced mush. A sliced mushroom kind of guy.
• 25:36
  Sliced for sure. I got my Takis.
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  I got my Takis, baby. OK, you got my Taki.
• 25:41
  I mean, some people are like a fan of the quartered mushroom,
• 25:44
  the haft mushroom. I mean, it's, it's how, how do
• 25:49
  you like them? I guess it depends.
• 25:50
  I guess it depends on the mushroom as well.
• 25:52
  I like to slice my own mushrooms.
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  I do my own do my own stunts over here.
• 25:57
  OK, OK. I like a good quartered
• 25:59
  mushroom, but that's just me. OK.
• 26:01
  Stem on of. Course what?
• 26:03
  Do you think about pickled? Mushrooms.
• 26:06
  No the pickle, the pickle frenzy.
• 26:09
  I love Pickles, but we need to stop pickling things that
• 26:12
  shouldn't be pickled. The.
• 26:13
  Problem with. Pickled mushrooms have been
• 26:15
  around for centuries. So the problem with pickled
• 26:17
  mushrooms? I've never had one, but I would
• 26:20
  imagine that the texture would be a little off because they're
• 26:24
  so absorbent. They probably just turn into
• 26:27
  balloons in there. They kind of pop in your mouth,
• 26:29
  but it's kind of nice. I like I like a pickle mushroom,
• 26:33
  so. Yeah, you, you caught me at
• 26:35
  popped in my mouth. Love having things pop in my
• 26:41
  mouth speaking. Speaking of tanks comments post
• 26:45
  game after the Iowa State loss. So just a couple of factoids
• 26:48
  here on on the Iowa State loss itself, second worst loss at
• 26:52
  home since Bramledge was built. Tang now has two of the worst
• 26:56
  six losses in school history under his belt in the last Four
• 26:59
  Seasons. It's the worst loss since 1992
• 27:02
  at home. They're only Four Seasons all
• 27:05
  time that have started one and eight all time in conference
• 27:08
  play, which I'm a little surprised by to be honest.
• 27:11
  I didn't think that there would be any of those seasons.
• 27:13
  When you think back, I guess maybe in the 40s during World
• 27:16
  War 2 when half of the, you know, viable young men were
• 27:19
  fighting overseas and they probably weren't fielding some
• 27:22
  of the best teams for K State. But hey, Oklahoma State won a
• 27:26
  national championship in 1945. S someone's got to claim those,
• 27:29
  those national titles, I guess. But horrible, horrible start to
• 27:34
  the season. We're not even halfway through
• 27:38
  conference play at this point. I guess we are technically right
• 27:41
  at halfway through conference play, 9 games in, so nine more
• 27:44
  to go. It's pretty rough.
• 27:46
  But Tank's comments on on Iowa State, we'll start with his his
• 27:51
  comments on on the other team. They're just way better than we
• 27:55
  are. All credit goes to them and
• 27:58
  they're physically built differently.
• 28:00
  They're just better than we are. And again, we kind of already
• 28:04
  talked about this with Otselberger.
• 28:06
  He spent multiple years building that roster.
• 28:10
  He's got less of an arsenal when it comes to NIL revenue sharing
• 28:14
  dollars to put towards his rosters that he's had at Iowa
• 28:17
  State. So funny to me that that the guy
• 28:20
  with with more money and and more resources is saying that
• 28:23
  that the other team is just better than they are when he has
• 28:26
  had every opportunity over the last four years to build a
• 28:29
  roster that resembles what Iowa State's fielding, that resembles
• 28:34
  what KU and Houston have. Like, it doesn't have to be to
• 28:38
  that level necessarily, but you could be just a robe along it
• 28:41
  with the amount of dollars that are going into funding for this
• 28:44
  team. Yeah.
• 28:47
  OK, let's start with the Iowa State comments.
• 28:51
  What what did that, what did that say to you?
• 28:53
  That he was saying those things about the other team, about Iowa
• 28:58
  State, saying that they are that much better than the team that
• 29:01
  he has assembled at K State. I thought it was AI thought it
• 29:05
  was a a very dumb moment. I mean, I don't, I don't think
• 29:08
  it even needed to be said. I mean, I wasn't like overly
• 29:12
  upset about it. I don't think he should,
• 29:14
  honestly. I don't think he should go about
• 29:16
  it saying oh, we're better than we are.
• 29:19
  I don't think he should. I think at this point I agree
• 29:23
  with saying we suck. Like maybe, I don't know, this
• 29:28
  isn't his style, but like Frank, Frank used to just say we were
• 29:34
  bad, Like we're not good right now.
• 29:36
  Or like, I mean, climbing even did that.
• 29:40
  And that's a totally different sport.
• 29:41
  But I mean, he was on the precipice of doing that a couple
• 29:44
  times when the team was, you know, it was, it wasn't even
• 29:48
  this year was the prior years before that.
• 29:51
  And he would say, hey, we're not a very good team right now.
• 29:55
  And I I can agree with that. So him saying that Iowa State's
• 29:58
  better, I mean, that's just kind of obvious.
• 30:00
  I don't think you even need to say that.
• 30:01
  So I mean, if you're going to beat around the Bush and say,
• 30:04
  hey, they're a better team than us, just say we suck.
• 30:07
  Like, maybe that'll fire the team up a little bit.
• 30:10
  I don't know. I mean, that's just in my
• 30:12
  coaching brain. I'm not one.
• 30:15
  But like, if you want to rile this team to make them care a
• 30:19
  little bit, they're already down in the dumps.
• 30:21
  They're getting beat by 60. Hey, say we suck a little bit.
• 30:25
  Like maybe fire these guys up. They're a bunch of mercenaries
• 30:29
  anyway. You'll never see these guys
• 30:31
  again. Fire them up.
• 30:33
  I don't know. I mean, he's he's 100% correct.
• 30:41
  And I think he looks at that Iowa State team and kind of
• 30:48
  wishes he had the type of acumen of bringing specific transfers
• 30:56
  in and also developing talent inside the program that you're
• 31:02
  recruiting from high school. Because if you think of that
• 31:05
  starting five, you have Momchilovich who has been in the
• 31:09
  program. You have Lipsy, who's been in
• 31:12
  the program. You have a freshman who has kind
• 31:16
  of been on a pretty good like run the past handful of games.
• 31:20
  And then you have two transfers who have been really good.
• 31:23
  I mean, the the talent I that also Burger is kind of built at
• 31:28
  Iowa State is a reason why he's been so successful.
• 31:32
  And I, I mean, can I respect the honesty that yeah, you know, I
• 31:38
  think there's a way of saying they're, you know, they're way
• 31:43
  better. I think that does fire up your
• 31:46
  team and that you have of hearing that, but it's not like
• 31:52
  he's lying. I mean, the grand scheme of
• 31:54
  things, he's absolutely right. This is an Iowa State team that
• 31:58
  this is probably one of the best teams that also burgers put
• 32:01
  together so far in his time there.
• 32:05
  He, you know, would probably say the same if we Darren Peterson
• 32:10
  played against us last weekend and he went off, you know, like
• 32:13
  I, I think he probably would have maybe said something
• 32:17
  similar with the way that the, you know, the KU game ended up.
• 32:20
  But I don't necessarily know if I have a problem with it because
• 32:24
  I think he's showing some honesty in the grand scheme of
• 32:28
  things. Like he he is being honest with
• 32:31
  it and it's taking those comments and what are you going
• 32:37
  to do with it? I mean, I, I think ultimately
• 32:39
  it's what's the result of this? To me, to me, it's what what I'm
• 32:45
  reading between the lines here of I don't care about the I
• 32:49
  mean, the honesty is great, that's fine.
• 32:50
  But what does this say about your inability to put together a
• 32:54
  roster? What does that say about your
• 32:56
  inability to recruit guys out of high school?
• 32:59
  What does that say about your inability to retain guys year
• 33:02
  over year? You've got a, a recruiting class
• 33:05
  with Dade Ames and, and Buddy Rich and, and neither of those
• 33:09
  guys are, are with the program and they're being developed in
• 33:13
  other places by other coaches like it.
• 33:15
  That's the one recruiting class that you had out of high school
• 33:18
  that had more than one guy in it.
• 33:20
  And all three of the guys, RJ Jones, Dade Ames and Buddy Rich
• 33:24
  are all, they're all gone. They're all in different places
• 33:27
  now. So to me it is, it's fine that
• 33:30
  you can be honest about that, but we're in year 4 now and you
• 33:35
  still have not proven that you can assemble a roster that is
• 33:38
  cohesive other than the first year.
• 33:42
  So that's, that's what it says to me is, is you can be, you can
• 33:45
  be honest all day, every day. That's fine.
• 33:47
  I don't care if you're being honest.
• 33:48
  That's great. But it says more to me of dude,
• 33:53
  I, I understand that you have a comprehension of the fact that
• 33:57
  you are accountable for the fact that they are, that they are
• 34:00
  better. They are that much better than
• 34:01
  we are. Like you are the reason why at
• 34:04
  the end of the day, coach, like you are the reason why you are
• 34:06
  the reason why you have the ability to control who's on this
• 34:09
  roster and who who isn't. At the end of the day.
• 34:12
  That's so that's, that's where my head goes with it.
• 34:15
  The other thing he a couple other things he said, I'm not
• 34:19
  disappointed at all because I'm with these dudes every single
• 34:22
  day and I know what they're going through and y'all don't.
• 34:24
  So I was proud of these guys, especially in the second-half.
• 34:27
  So it is funny, chef, that you're like, maybe this is going
• 34:30
  to fire those guys up. But then he goes back and says
• 34:33
  he's proud of them at the same time.
• 34:34
  So in my head, I'm kind of like it's you're sending mixed
• 34:37
  messages here and then, yeah, well, if you got any comments on
• 34:42
  that one and then we've got two more quotes to get to it's.
• 34:45
  I mean, he's a he's always been the the coach, you know, he's
• 34:49
  always been that guy that always projected faith and all that
• 34:52
  stuff. And I, I can get behind you
• 34:55
  being proud of these guys. You recruited them, whatever
• 34:58
  they're they're in your locker room, you're taking care of
• 35:00
  them, but they're there to play basketball.
• 35:03
  I mean, if you really now this is no knock at Tang, because I
• 35:07
  mean, I'm if he's doing it at K State, then this is the way he
• 35:09
  wants to do it. He's got to be a held
• 35:11
  accountable because it's a high level basketball, higher level
• 35:14
  of basketball. But if you wanted to just, you
• 35:17
  know, make better dudes, go down to the Y take that shit to the Y
• 35:22
  dude. That's where it belongs.
• 35:24
  Like you can, you can get a good church rec league and you can
• 35:28
  make some great men down there, but this is you.
• 35:31
  You're here to win. We're not here to make the best
• 35:34
  guys. No offense.
• 35:35
  I mean, I'm glad that they, if they're turning around their
• 35:38
  lives or whatever, they're they're going to be leaders in
• 35:41
  in the new world. Well, come on, brother.
• 35:44
  Like we got to win basketball games.
• 35:46
  It's not about being proud of them that you shouldn't be proud
• 35:49
  of the effort that they put out there because it's not good
• 35:52
  enough. They're there to play basketball
• 35:53
  and they're not playing good basketball.
• 35:55
  So, yeah, you could be proud of them that they're, you know,
• 35:58
  maybe great in the classroom, whatever, but I don't care.
• 36:04
  I don't. Yeah, I mean, because you got,
• 36:08
  you're proud of those guys, but you got other guys that were on
• 36:11
  the roster that I mean, technically they're still on the
• 36:13
  website that are doing some crazy shit.
• 36:17
  So allegedly, allegedly the the next two quotes kind of go
• 36:24
  together. So I'll read through those and
• 36:25
  then I've got a few questions. But the the next one, when he
• 36:29
  was asked what he was proud about with the game, he said
• 36:33
  it's not a message for the fans, it's a message for my players.
• 36:36
  I love these guys. They work really, really hard.
• 36:39
  They chose to come play for this university in this coaching
• 36:41
  staff and I do. I love these dudes.
• 36:44
  If you saw these guys the last two days of practice, you
• 36:47
  practice, you would have said, man, these guys are ready.
• 36:49
  But those guys are just better. And you tell them you're proud
• 36:52
  of them for continuing to fight and not quit.
• 36:55
  And then when he was asked if he needs to give a message to the
• 36:57
  fans, Mason, both a great, great reporter, friend of the pod, if
• 37:03
  he needs to send a message to the fans for how things are are
• 37:06
  going to get better moving forward.
• 37:08
  He said, quote, at the end of the season, we'll talk about
• 37:12
  that. It doesn't matter what I think
• 37:13
  because whatever I say, y'all are going to clip it the way you
• 37:16
  want to and post it the way you want to so you can get the
• 37:19
  clicks that you need. And so it doesn't matter what I
• 37:21
  say. What matters is what I'm doing
• 37:24
  with these young men on the floor in the practice every day
• 37:26
  and in their daily lives going forward.
• 37:29
  But I don't need to give an explanation to the fans, but I
• 37:32
  want them to know I'm working really hard and I'm not.
• 37:35
  I'm proud of the results, but I'm proud of the young men that
• 37:38
  I've brought in. So what?
• 37:41
  What do Tang's comments tell us about where he thinks the
• 37:44
  program actually is right now versus where fans thought it
• 37:47
  was? I don't, I man, I'm not becoming
• 37:58
  a Jerome Tang stand because in the grand scheme of things, I
• 38:04
  do. I understand that where you are
• 38:09
  at in the season, you're obviously disappointed and where
• 38:12
  you're at right now. And you believe that the guys
• 38:16
  that you've brought in would be a good representative of this
• 38:22
  university, playing hard, playing with the level of
• 38:26
  intensity and expectations that you believe that you have with
• 38:30
  them when you were recruiting them to come here.
• 38:34
  I also understand being like at the end of the season, we will
• 38:39
  be able to talk about this season.
• 38:41
  There are still unfortunately nine regular season games left
• 38:48
  and at least one more Big 12 tournament game.
• 38:53
  So at a minimum 10 games left. And it would be wrong for him as
• 39:00
  a head coach to basically be like the seasons of
• 39:02
  disappointment and we're 10 games left because in his mind
• 39:08
  and his coaching staff's mind, his players mind, they have 10
• 39:11
  games to go in the season and they want to believe that they
• 39:16
  can win 10 games in a row and do whatever.
• 39:20
  Now from us on the outside, we are watching the product and
• 39:25
  absolutely like there's no way the way this team plays right
• 39:29
  now, there's no way this team is going to win another game.
• 39:32
  There are people in, you know, in the fan base, etcetera.
• 39:36
  So I for me, I don't take his comments necessarily in a
• 39:43
  negative light because I can understand where he's coming
• 39:47
  from that there are 10 games left.
• 39:49
  Our season is not over. If somehow they go on a run.
• 39:54
  Again, it's not going to necessarily matter from an NCAA
• 39:57
  tournament perspective. Like, I'm not saying they're
• 40:00
  going to win 10 games. I'm not even saying they're
• 40:02
  going to win two games. But if he has given up on the
• 40:06
  season with 10 games left, that is more of an indictment on him
• 40:13
  and his ability to lead this program.
• 40:17
  So that is how I took those comments.
• 40:22
  OK, I mean that that's fine to take them that way.
• 40:26
  But the reality of it is there's 10 games left in the season and
• 40:33
  the trajectory of where the program is going, the comments
• 40:37
  that you're making, whether that's that's the strategy you
• 40:41
  want to take is not working. We we've heard, we've heard
• 40:46
  this. I'm proud of the boys for a long
• 40:49
  time. That's not working with this
• 40:51
  group. It's just not.
• 40:53
  And whether you think there's 10 games, you know there's no think
• 40:58
  there is 10 games left. You're trying to send a message
• 41:03
  that the product that you're putting out there is not what
• 41:08
  we're going to get in the future.
• 41:11
  So you have to change it up. So if you, if you just keep on
• 41:15
  saying, oh, you don't see these guys in practice, you don't know
• 41:18
  what they're really doing. I don't have to see that.
• 41:21
  That's you to see that and you to develop them and then put the
• 41:24
  best product out on the court and we're not getting the best
• 41:27
  product on the court. So you have you have to do
• 41:31
  something different and to just go out there and blatantly say,
• 41:35
  you know, well, I don't have to say anything to you guys.
• 41:39
  Well, you kind of do because you're beholden to us.
• 41:43
  We're the reason that you get paid the the amount that you get
• 41:46
  paid. If we don't show up and we don't
• 41:48
  support you, then you're not here.
• 41:50
  So I mean, I it's, it's, it's all backwards.
• 41:54
  It's a little silly. No, I mean, but if you're going
• 41:59
  to go like like Matt said, if you're going to go down this
• 42:03
  way, if you're going to go, if you're going to ride the sinking
• 42:05
  ship, maybe just ride it the way you want to all the way to the
• 42:10
  bottom. So I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm
• 42:12
  tapped out on Tang. I'm tapped out to.
• 42:15
  Me the issue is he's never given us that opportunity to ask
• 42:19
  questions at the end of the season last year was given his
• 42:21
  flowers to David Geson. He said he's he's focused on the
• 42:25
  game, doesn't have an end of the season press conference or
• 42:28
  anything. He then goes radio silent, goes
• 42:32
  on Cyclone fanatic. Hey friend of the pod Jake Brand
• 42:35
  wasn't the one that talked to him.
• 42:36
  It was another show that did, but Jake Bren's Jake Bren's
• 42:40
  network there he goes and talks to those guys doesn't give any
• 42:44
  of the other K state podcast any of the time of day at all.
• 42:46
  And then we don't hear from him and other side from a couple
• 42:49
  hang with Tang episodes like he there was no diagnosis of what
• 42:52
  went wrong last year. At a minimum, he could go out
• 42:57
  during a press conference and say something along the lines of
• 43:00
  look, these are the five things I think we're doing wrong on the
• 43:03
  court and here's how we're going to address it.
• 43:05
  Here's how we're going to, you know, flip the script.
• 43:09
  We're we're focusing on, you know, whatever The thing is in
• 43:12
  practice that they're going to focus on because XYZ, the next
• 43:16
  opponent's very good at this. We fell short on that specific
• 43:19
  area, whether it's rebounding, defense, steals, blocks,
• 43:22
  whatever throw every potential thing that was ever on the play
• 43:26
  hard chart up on a on a big board there.
• 43:28
  But that's that's my thing. I would like to, I would like to
• 43:31
  hear him say something, something about what's not going
• 43:36
  right other than just using the crutch or the excuse of, Oh
• 43:38
  well, they're just better than we.
• 43:39
  Are I? I love that, Bob.
• 43:43
  I mean show tell me why you know more about basketball than I do
• 43:49
  and that you're diagnosing it that that silences everybody.
• 43:53
  Like I love this is a total tangent off of that.
• 43:57
  But like I love when NFL wide receivers and they asked like,
• 44:01
  oh, why or a quarterback. What was the coverage that you
• 44:05
  see in like in the layman brain can't even comprehend what these
• 44:11
  quarterbacks are actually going through.
• 44:12
  And so when they actually say it, it kind of silences it all
• 44:16
  and it makes you realize, OK, I don't know what they're going
• 44:19
  through, but I'm going to trust what they're doing.
• 44:22
  So I I and so if Tang just comes out and says, Hey, we're
• 44:27
  obviously short bodies. We're trying to rotate down this
• 44:30
  and he just starts doing basketball.
• 44:33
  One O one. That silences a lot of shit for
• 44:36
  me. It would I'd be like, OK, well,
• 44:38
  I mean, he knows that there what the problems are.
• 44:41
  It's not just all these guys are good guys and the other team was
• 44:45
  better. That's like you said, Bob, that
• 44:46
  is not good. That makes me not want to have
• 44:50
  you as my basketball coach. So my my next question is this
• 44:55
  has been a downward trend ever since year one.
• 44:59
  Obviously Year 1 you have lightning in a bottle, you get
• 45:03
  the Elite A with back-to-back seasons after that finishing sub
• 45:07
  500. You've got just a full list of a
• 45:11
  lot of players on there. But yeah, you go Elite 8.
• 45:15
  NITI guess last year you decline an invitation to the Crown
• 45:19
  tournament, whatever the hell that was in Vegas.
• 45:21
  And now this year you start the year 10 and 12.
• 45:23
  You're one and eight in the Big 12.
• 45:26
  Was Year 1A total fluke or do you think there was a moment in
• 45:30
  Year 2 where for some reason, you know, that the basketball
• 45:34
  mindedness of this program, the culture of this program, a
• 45:38
  switch flipped and things started to go down the wrong
• 45:41
  path? Like I, I've seen a lot of
• 45:43
  people point to the Spygate, Sygate, whatever you want to
• 45:47
  call. We had the Naquan Tomlin
• 45:49
  situation in Year 2 as well. Year 2 is where it was about
• 45:52
  halfway through the season, things just kind of started to
• 45:54
  come off the rails and things weren't quite where they were in
• 45:58
  Year 1 or even to start the first half of the second season.
• 46:01
  Do you feel like it was just total fluke in Year 1, or do you
• 46:05
  feel like Year 2 maybe something happened that that caused things
• 46:10
  to start to go off the rails and it's they've just never for some
• 46:14
  reason been able to recover since?
• 46:19
  I think me going to Cincinnati, really.
• 46:24
  Yeah, really. Butler Game.
• 46:26
  Yeah, this, I mean the Butler game, but then that was still
• 46:29
  the year we, I mean, I think I I do believe he gets his flowers
• 46:37
  in year 1 because outside of Marquis Noel, who obviously was
• 46:44
  the Bob Cousy Award winner, the best point guard in the country.
• 46:48
  And you could probably say what is a wild card?
• 46:53
  And Kiante Johnson like a very lucky situation that that
• 46:58
  happened. I think of the guys that he
• 47:01
  brought in in that class outside of those two, and that was a
• 47:05
  team that I think was really cohesive together.
• 47:11
  He brought in the right transfers.
• 47:13
  He brought in guys like, I mean, Naquan, you know, was obviously
• 47:17
  a really important part of that team.
• 47:20
  David Gasson, who I think developed really well in the
• 47:24
  three years he was at Kansas State, like I, I believe year
• 47:30
  one was a really solid, solid talent evaluation and culture
• 47:35
  building year year 2 for how Naquan Tomlin is kind of
• 47:41
  performing in the NBA right now for the Cavs.
• 47:44
  It's safe to say that Naquan Tomlin in year 2 would have been
• 47:49
  really helpful for this K State team.
• 47:55
  Now that team was not going to win the Big 12, but that team
• 47:59
  would have made the NCAA tournament.
• 48:01
  Like I think it's pretty safe to say Naquan Tomlin developing in
• 48:06
  year 2 in that program, it would have been an NCAA tournament
• 48:09
  team. But I do think the NIL cult like
• 48:16
  this NIL culture and era has really put a damper on.
• 48:22
  I think what Jerome Tang was good at in year 1 because year 1
• 48:26
  doesn't wasn't necessarily about NIL.
• 48:28
  It was looking at transfers, looking at aspects of transfers,
• 48:34
  and it wasn't all about the money.
• 48:36
  And it does make me think in Year 3 and 4 where Nil became
• 48:41
  such an important player in the basketball landscape that his
• 48:46
  mindset of how he wanted to build a program was not the same
• 48:50
  in these two years as it was in Year 1 and I would say in Year
• 48:53
  2. So it that that is where the
• 49:00
  Naquan Tomlin situation was obviously very unfortunate in a
• 49:03
  lot of different ways. I think he would have been an
• 49:07
  important puzzle piece to that year, despite the fact that like
• 49:12
  Tyler Perry, I think was kind of playing out of position like
• 49:15
  he's not a point guard. It would have been really nice
• 49:17
  to have kind of a point guard point guard in that offense we
• 49:21
  had. Am I forgetting somebody like?
• 49:24
  Wes Glover was supposed to be the point guard that year.
• 49:26
  Right. He got hurt before the season
• 49:28
  started and he got hurt. I won't put too much stock into
• 49:32
  that, but like, I think having one main guy would have been
• 49:35
  nice, but I, I just think he's been caught out with the NIL
• 49:39
  piece. Like you have K State donors
• 49:41
  that want to build this program, they want to donate money to K
• 49:45
  State basketball and they're willing and able and we're
• 49:47
  seeing that. And I just don't think the
• 49:50
  evaluation now is there. It's not looking at a cohesive
• 49:55
  group. It's kind of just picking apples
• 50:00
  and trying to see if it's working together and it's just
• 50:04
  not. And the past two years I, I
• 50:08
  think it's pretty evident with the guys that have been brought
• 50:11
  in that he's just not there. Ditto, brother.
• 50:18
  I mean, I, I, I can't put up my thought.
• 50:20
  I mean, you, you said it perfectly.
• 50:22
  That's probably the exact answer.
• 50:24
  My I'm so dumb that I'm thinking like, oh, a specific game that
• 50:27
  it kind of went downhill. There's really no moment.
• 50:30
  I mean, just the team building aspect of it is what's kind of
• 50:34
  shot him in the foot. And I mean, it's easy to say
• 50:37
  that the team is not, you know, it's not the best team that he's
• 50:42
  assembled when they stink and they obviously the record is
• 50:45
  proving that. But like our first, our first
• 50:47
  year, year one under tangling, we were looking at the roster
• 50:51
  like, you know, I mean, maybe and then they turned out to be
• 50:55
  really, really good. So it's not that like we can
• 50:58
  evaluate talent and you know, hindsight's 2020.
• 51:01
  So obviously we know they're really good.
• 51:02
  But at the time, Marquis Noel was Bruce leftover that we
• 51:09
  really didn't want him as much as we wanted what's our boy
• 51:14
  pack. So we wanted pack more than we
• 51:16
  wanted Noel and Noel turned out to be the better player for for
• 51:19
  tank situation. So it it really, I think that's
• 51:23
  all you know, hindsight's 2020 and we can we can debate that
• 51:29
  because we already know the answer.
• 51:31
  But yeah, obviously it's the the evaluations have been poor and
• 51:37
  there's been some circumstances that have been out of Tang's
• 51:40
  control. But you know, my God, you've got
• 51:42
  to be able to field a a roster that is competitive and he just
• 51:46
  hasn't had it the last two seasons.
• 51:48
  So, yeah, I'm not really sure where where we go from here.
• 51:53
  And I I don't know how we save it because I don't think this
• 51:56
  team is getting any better. I don't think they will so.
• 52:02
  No, no, it's not All right. All right, chef, you, you had a
• 52:06
  little game or activity you wanted to do here, so I'm going
• 52:09
  to hand the keys over to you to to cook.
• 52:14
  Well, it's not really anything out of the ordinary.
• 52:16
  I'm in. I shouldn't say that.
• 52:18
  I heard I saw it on the Bill Simmons podcast and I, I am a
• 52:22
  wrestling fan. The Royal Rumble just just
• 52:25
  happened a couple maybe a four days ago.
• 52:30
  The Roman Reigns was the winner in the men's division, Liv
• 52:33
  Morgan the winner in the women's division, excellent Royal
• 52:37
  Rumble. And I thought because they they
• 52:40
  were giving ideas for how they can change the NBA All Star
• 52:46
  game, because it is a mockery of a game at this point that they
• 52:49
  had a one-on-one tournament knockout style with 30 of the
• 52:57
  best. Well, not 30 of the best, but 30
• 52:59
  randomly drawn NBA players, preferably some of them All
• 53:03
  Stars or whatever. And they do it Royal Rumble
• 53:06
  style where you know, you're having a match and then bang,
• 53:10
  after somebody gets eliminated, the next person runs in music
• 53:14
  players and all that stuff. And I thought that would be
• 53:16
  really, really fun if we did that for Kansas State men's
• 53:21
  basketball. Now, obviously, I think we have
• 53:25
  to exclude Michael Beasley from this because we all know that he
• 53:30
  is the one-on-one goat God. If you've if you've ever been on
• 53:34
  Twitter and you've ever looked up Michael Beasley, he has some
• 53:38
  crazy shit talk and he's probably not going to lose
• 53:41
  one-on-one to anybody that's ever played at Kansas State.
• 53:45
  So let's take Michael Beasley out of this.
• 53:48
  If I were to give you this list of names and I just I'll I'll go
• 53:51
  in random order. So the first it just random.
• 53:54
  I'm going to I'm going to scratch the names off.
• 53:57
  I can have more than 30 on here. I don't know if you want to have
• 54:01
  time for that. Maybe we could just burn through
• 54:03
  this. But it would be funny, I think,
• 54:07
  if we had this a little little experiment.
• 54:10
  So I say we start the first match one-on-one.
• 54:14
  The rules are first basket wins. Then whoever is the king of the
• 54:20
  the king of the court at that time has to lose by two points.
• 54:25
  So the the person that comes in has to score 2 baskets before
• 54:29
  the person that is king of the court scores a basket.
• 54:32
  The person that comes into the court gets the ball.
• 54:35
  King of the court has to defend for one possession, get the ball
• 54:38
  back, score. Now they keep going.
• 54:41
  Got it. OK, does that make sense?
• 54:44
  Am I? Am I?
• 54:46
  Yeah, yeah. I think we start off Dennis
• 54:50
  Clemente is and he is going against Xavier Sneed who?
• 54:58
  Wins that one-on-one and then we will go from.
• 55:00
  There XX Dennis Clemente has the ball, No X.
• 55:10
  Dennis Clemente is winning that. He's way too quick in a
• 55:16
  one-on-one. He's glowing.
• 55:18
  By Denny Clemente. Yeah, you said.
• 55:20
  Denny, you. Said.
• 55:21
  Dennis, I don't know. Why?
• 55:23
  He's not an accountant. Dennis Yeah, I.
• 55:29
  Picked, I think, Denny Clemente. He's too quick, he's getting by.
• 55:33
  I literally just I just grabbed the name off the list and he.
• 55:36
  Has the ball first, so I'm going to go Clemente as well.
• 55:39
  I think Sneed is really athletic.
• 55:41
  He is a really good defender. But one basket, Clemente has a
• 55:47
  jumper. Too so I.
• 55:50
  I'm going to go, Clemente, you've been out, I think.
• 55:53
  I think X is going to grab onto those.
• 55:55
  Baggy ass shorts that they had the team wear in 20/20/10.
• 55:58
  I like that. I like that.
• 56:01
  OK, so we got. Rucker Parker rules Clemente.
• 56:05
  Versus. Chucky Williams.
• 56:12
  I guess we're going to play recency bias on this one, I
• 56:14
  don't think. I've ever seen Chucky Williams
• 56:16
  take a basketball shot? I have no idea.
• 56:18
  I haven't either Is I don't know anything.
• 56:21
  About like how tall? He is the olds are the olds
• 56:24
  before my. Time the olds.
• 56:27
  Are the olds are? Losing all these, the olds are
• 56:30
  going to kill us for that one. We're going.
• 56:33
  We're going Jordan and Jordan Enriquez.
• 56:42
  He's got this full for two baskets JO's got to.
• 56:47
  Score 2 baskets. He's got to score.
• 56:49
  Two baskets, mind you, he has. A full, basically a full foot
• 56:53
  on. I know, honestly.
• 56:57
  JO's scoring on on. Denny, that man, you know, he
• 57:01
  like, he like, it's the ball. 1st.
• 57:05
  And he has. To he's just got to shoot over
• 57:07
  him. He's got to.
• 57:09
  Back him in there and get get the ball.
• 57:11
  I mean get put the ball in the hoop if it's anything like
• 57:14
  A2010K. U where he was nailing those
• 57:18
  shots at the the elbow. Then he was like 5 for five in
• 57:23
  that game from the elbow. It was at the Florida game in
• 57:29
  11, one of those two games where he's just going off.
• 57:33
  Who are you taking? I'm I'm picking Jo.
• 57:36
  You know what? A foot, a foot, a foot
• 57:39
  difference. I think he's got it.
• 57:42
  He's just going to get it right over him.
• 57:43
  He's backing him down and he just got to get over him.
• 57:47
  What do you think, Bob man? Sure, give me Jo Jo Jo is on
• 57:57
  the. List Jo versus Cartier Martin.
• 58:09
  I'm going. I'm going.
• 58:10
  To I would go Cardi. Martin, Cardi Martin was very,
• 58:14
  very good. Put the ball in the hoot.
• 58:17
  Yes, he was. He was very.
• 58:20
  Very good, Cardi Martin. I'll go with.
• 58:24
  I'll go with Cartier Martin as long as the next.
• 58:27
  Matchup is Cartier versus Cartier.
• 58:29
  It's not Cartier. That's not the name that I
• 58:31
  looked at. I looked at David Gasan.
• 58:36
  Yeah, Cartier. Martin Yeah, Cartier, I mean,
• 58:39
  mind you, David. Gasan is like the all time.
• 58:41
  Leader in field goal percentage at K state.
• 58:43
  So yeah, it is make it, take it. By the way, I would go Cartier.
• 58:49
  OK, Cartier. We're going.
• 58:52
  Angel Rodriguez. Cartier Angel is like a ALDI
• 59:00
  version of Denny, so yeah. Ski Jones.
• 59:10
  Oh man. Skia Jones.
• 59:13
  Yeah, that's before my time. I That's a sniper.
• 59:16
  Right there, 62 points in the. Game he.
• 59:19
  I know he won't. No, I mean, you can't.
• 59:21
  You can't. Play off of them.
• 59:23
  I'm still going Cartier, Cartier Martin I got.
• 59:25
  To look up man his stats man at K state.
• 59:32
  No, you can keep going. I'm just OK, Bob.
• 59:35
  Boozer. Oh, we're going way back.
• 59:42
  Bob Boozer. I mean, they're really.
• 59:44
  Going to kill us for this one. Oh my God, like again I I don't
• 59:48
  think I've ever watched. A basketball.
• 59:50
  I've never seen. Where he played 4K.
• 59:52
  State in full. So I yeah, he was pretty 3 point
• 59:57
  line I mean. Here's the thing.
• 1:00:01
  Like it does. Does his stuff match up in a
• 1:00:06
  modern day? One-on-one, that's the.
• 1:00:12
  Problem probably. Not so we're going.
• 1:00:15
  Dean Wade. Versus.
• 1:00:18
  Cartier, Martin, Are we talking? I'm calling Team Wade.
• 1:00:23
  Or NBA team Wade. No, no, we were doing college
• 1:00:27
  right. Like college?
• 1:00:28
  Prime college, he was I'm going to play a.
• 1:00:32
  Hard chart star he was. A *.
• 1:00:35
  On the play hard chart, he could shoot it.
• 1:00:36
  This is kind of a tough one. He's he's bigger.
• 1:00:39
  Than Cartier. I mean, Dean could just, I mean.
• 1:00:43
  The amount of times on like Dean Wade Friday or whoever's doing
• 1:00:47
  that right now, that they're showing videos of Dean Wade
• 1:00:50
  getting steals on just pickpocketing guys.
• 1:00:52
  Like he could just pickpocket the guy, go down and slam it.
• 1:00:58
  There's your two points, man, Dean Wade and Cartier Martin.
• 1:01:03
  I'm taking Dean. I'm taking Dean.
• 1:01:09
  You guys win. All right, Dean Wade.
• 1:01:12
  Versus. Ioka Lee, This is Coed.
• 1:01:18
  This is Coed. I only have one name on.
• 1:01:21
  There, I thought we were going to that Dean Wade.
• 1:01:25
  Sorry. Yoki, I'm going.
• 1:01:26
  Sorry, Yoki, we're. Going.
• 1:01:30
  Dean Wade versus PJ Haggerty. Well P JS just scoring points
• 1:01:38
  after the game's. Already out of hand, so give me
• 1:01:40
  Dean. Is it in the first?
• 1:01:43
  Half or the second-half, Yeah. Yeah, is that?
• 1:01:48
  Is he, is he down by? One and he's got a score. 10
• 1:01:52
  points. Is he at the free?
• 1:01:54
  Throw line. I'll, I'll, I'll go.
• 1:01:59
  I would go Dean, OK. Where's?
• 1:02:05
  I just swear I had PJ Haggerty's name out there.
• 1:02:07
  It is Javon Thomas versus Dean Wade.
• 1:02:13
  Next Will Spradling Dean. Yeah, I I got the.
• 1:02:24
  Names on the. That's white on white crime.
• 1:02:26
  That's white on white crime, Thomas.
• 1:02:29
  Gibson. OK.
• 1:02:32
  OK, now we're getting some big gip.
• 1:02:37
  Dean. Versus Big GIP Dean, Dean I.
• 1:02:45
  Think it's still Dean. Still, Dean.
• 1:02:48
  But that's the most competitive. One we've had in like.
• 1:02:51
  Ten turns. Bill Walker, I think Cartier.
• 1:02:55
  Martin was. Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Well, yeah, yeah. Bill Walker, Dean Wade.
• 1:03:03
  Henry. Walker.
• 1:03:05
  Headband Walker prime is is prime self man.
• 1:03:11
  So if I'm going. Bill.
• 1:03:16
  I like that going. Bill, I would take Dean.
• 1:03:23
  I'm going to go. Bill, I'm just going to switch.
• 1:03:25
  It up. I don't want Dean to walk away
• 1:03:26
  with this thing. Bill Walker.
• 1:03:29
  Cam Stokes, Bill Walker. OK, Yeah.
• 1:03:36
  We have. Jamar.
• 1:03:38
  Samuels Damn Sam Walker, Walker, Bill Henry Walker, then we.
• 1:03:49
  Go in I don't know who this. Name is and.
• 1:03:51
  They're probably going to kill me for this.
• 1:03:53
  I don't know who this is. Jeff Wires, that is.
• 1:03:59
  You have Dick Nostman on the list too, I thought if you had
• 1:04:02
  Dick Nostman, Jeff. Wires, Jeff.
• 1:04:05
  Wires. We're just going to go Bill
• 1:04:07
  Walker. Right.
• 1:04:08
  Is Ernie Barrett on the list? This is a Ernie Barrett's.
• 1:04:11
  Not on here. OK, Jeff.
• 1:04:13
  Oh, Jeff Wires, two years at. K State His senior year, he
• 1:04:18
  averaged 14 points a game. He shot. 49% from. 2, 1990 He's
• 1:04:29
  a guard. OK, so we're not.
• 1:04:31
  Going Jeff Wires. All right, we're going Bill
• 1:04:34
  Walker versus Nate Johnson. Next, Bill Walker.
• 1:04:42
  OK. All right, Nate.
• 1:04:44
  Johnson in that first game, we, it's like.
• 1:04:46
  That MTV show, the MTV show, they come off the bus.
• 1:04:50
  We've got some nasty names coming up just to.
• 1:04:53
  Let you know. I think I'm going to get rid of
• 1:04:54
  this. I think I'm going to get rid of
• 1:04:56
  the next two. I am.
• 1:04:57
  I am doing this myself and I am showing favoritism.
• 1:05:02
  So we're going Clint Stewart versus Bill Walker.
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, well, I would go. Bill, OK.
• 1:05:10
  We're going Bill Walker, DJ. Johnson if we didn't pick.
• 1:05:16
  Thomas Gibson, OK. We can't go DJ then, all right?
• 1:05:20
  It's going to get nasty from here.
• 1:05:22
  I'll go with Bill Walker, Ronaldo Blackman.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah, it's about to get nasty here.
• 1:05:35
  So we're going to. I mean, this might, I should
• 1:05:37
  have, maybe I should have limited the list, but I think
• 1:05:39
  this is more fun to hear. Rwando Blackman.
• 1:05:46
  He was thin as a rail. Bill Walker not.
• 1:05:49
  The best handle? He didn't have the best handle
• 1:05:53
  66190. Guards 15 points a game.
• 1:06:01
  He averaged he was a dog in 1% from the.
• 1:06:05
  Field. Cover of sports.
• 1:06:07
  Illustrated. 51% field. Goal percentage in college.
• 1:06:14
  And Bill Walker. Was a dog, this is.
• 1:06:18
  You're taking, you're taking, Bill Walker before the knees.
• 1:06:23
  Yeah. Henry Walker.
• 1:06:26
  Kansas State, Let's see 66220 16.
• 1:06:33
  A game. You know, I'll probably man
• 1:06:39
  Bill's got 30 lbs on him. I'm taking Ronaldo, I'm taking
• 1:06:44
  Ronaldo. I'm going to let Rolando sorry,
• 1:06:47
  I need you to say his name correctly.
• 1:06:50
  I first. Of all names, my bad I.
• 1:06:54
  In a one-on-one. Game Rolando.
• 1:06:56
  My bad. There is, I don't, I don't know.
• 1:06:59
  If 30 lbs is going to. Matter.
• 1:07:02
  I'm going to take the guy with the jump shot, Rolando, he can
• 1:07:06
  fill. It up, man.
• 1:07:07
  All right, so. Now we're going Rolando.
• 1:07:10
  Blackman versus Rodney Mcgruder. Rodney was also 6. 6 Right,
• 1:07:18
  Rodney? I think.
• 1:07:20
  He's like 6-4 maybe I'm tripping.
• 1:07:22
  Maybe he is 6/6. He was a lead guy, so I don't
• 1:07:25
  think yeah. Now he's 664.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah. You know.
• 1:07:31
  I. Would I?
• 1:07:32
  Would take Rolando. Rolando, I'm thinking Roger,
• 1:07:38
  what's that? OK.
• 1:07:40
  Rolando Blackman, it is. We're going Rolando versus
• 1:07:44
  Marcus Foster. Rolando.
• 1:07:48
  Next, I mean you. Why would you?
• 1:07:50
  Dismiss Marcus. Foster like that Rolando versus
• 1:07:55
  Cartier. Jada next.
• 1:07:56
  Rolando Yeah. Did I already say Barry Brown?
• 1:08:03
  I didn't scratch them off, no. Oh, I see, Alonzo.
• 1:08:07
  Barry. Brown in a one-on-one game.
• 1:08:14
  The Mid. Range is like the weapon God it
• 1:08:17
  is, God Mode it is. So and.
• 1:08:21
  That's Barry Brown towards Barry Brown.
• 1:08:24
  OK. The mid range is like your your.
• 1:08:29
  Bread and butter. All right, we're going.
• 1:08:32
  Are we all in a? Agreeance for Barry, Sure.
• 1:08:37
  Just I, yeah. Yeah, Bob, Bob, what is the what
• 1:08:40
  is? The strategy with the one-on-one
• 1:08:43
  on One U pencil. I miss, you know, I haven't
• 1:08:49
  played, I haven't played basketball since 8th.
• 1:08:51
  Grade so I OK, we're going Barry Brown versus.
• 1:08:54
  Steve Henson. In a one-on-one game, Steve.
• 1:09:00
  Henson's does not compute because was Steve?
• 1:09:03
  Was Steve? Was he a point guard?
• 1:09:05
  Was he? A point guard, he.
• 1:09:07
  Was. Yeah, he's he was under Kruger.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah. OK, we're going Barry Brown.
• 1:09:14
  Versus Jacob Poland. Man, that stinks.
• 1:09:21
  Yeah, I probably. Would all right Poland leading
• 1:09:25
  scorer for. K State, Yeah, give me
• 1:09:27
  Barcelona. Legend himself.
• 1:09:29
  We're going, Jacob. Poland Marquis Noel.
• 1:09:33
  Oh my God. In one-on-one, I.
• 1:09:36
  Might one-on-one Mike and he because.
• 1:09:40
  He's just. He will.
• 1:09:41
  Fucking dribble it beneath his his shorts and go after him like
• 1:09:47
  he's got to score 2 points around mark.
• 1:09:50
  Easton's got to score 2. Points in a row.
• 1:09:53
  He can do that. Is it?
• 1:09:55
  Sacrilegious if we pick him? I don't know.
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  It doesn't necessarily have to be.
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  It does have to be. Two in a row.
• 1:10:00
  My bad, I was about to say something.
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  I my own rules, shooting is like.
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  Is a really? Big key with this Mark Easton
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  shooting out of that thing. From the.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah, that's true. I.
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  You're going Mark. You're going to go Marquis, Bob.
• 1:10:19
  I think I'm going Marquis. I am going to go Jake.
• 1:10:22
  So I'm going to go. Jake as well.
• 1:10:25
  I'm going to go Jake as well. I'm.
• 1:10:27
  Going to go Jake as well. OK, we're going to now this is I
• 1:10:30
  set this up on purpose. It is my game.
• 1:10:34
  We're going Jacob pulling Kiante Johnson.
• 1:10:40
  I would go Jake. Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Oh damn, I was going. To go kiante.
• 1:10:46
  OK. And then finally, we're going.
• 1:10:49
  Jacob Poland, Mitch Richmond. Yeah, this is what I was waiting
• 1:10:53
  for. And I was, I honestly thought
• 1:10:56
  about keeping Mike. Beasley in there just so I can
• 1:10:59
  have Mike Beasley versus Mitch Richmond.
• 1:11:00
  I didn't know if that would. I still think we would all pick
• 1:11:03
  Mike Beasley, but we're we're final round.
• 1:11:07
  We are at Jacob Poland Mitch Richmond, Mitch Richmond in the
• 1:11:14
  senior season 20. 223 points a game he had.
• 1:11:22
  He was 50. 51% from the field for shot, 47% from three.
• 1:11:30
  Wow. He did what from three?
• 1:11:34
  He shot. 47% from 3. Holy shit.
• 1:11:41
  Three, I mean, it was 40. I mean, it was obviously.
• 1:11:44
  A little bit of a different game, but he was 46 of 98 from
• 1:11:48
  three and he was 222 of 423 for twos.
• 1:11:54
  My God, he was a six. Five guard. 50.
• 1:11:57
  Percent that's nuts. I'm going to take mid Richmond.
• 1:12:00
  I'll. Let you guys fight it out.
• 1:12:03
  I was waiting. For you to bring him up and I
• 1:12:06
  was wondering. Where in this whole thing,
• 1:12:07
  because he would be like seed this out if you're going to seed
• 1:12:14
  out. The 60. 4K state players to play
• 1:12:18
  against each other, he's probably a number one seed,
• 1:12:22
  right? But this is the thing about it
• 1:12:24
  is. When you get these Royal Rumbles
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  and I'll I'll give you a little insight on to the wrestling
• 1:12:29
  aspect of it. When you have these Royal
• 1:12:31
  Rumbles, sometimes you do have the star in the middle of the
• 1:12:35
  thing and he goes on a long run, but he's tired at the end.
• 1:12:40
  So you get some you get some guys that are fresh right behind
• 1:12:44
  the curtain that comes out there and it might be an upset.
• 1:12:47
  So I know obviously in this basketball scenario, there's
• 1:12:50
  really no way that we could do it.
• 1:12:52
  We're just kind of picking our favorite players.
• 1:12:54
  But like, if you really wanted to do it, he's Mitch Richmond.
• 1:12:58
  If he had to play like, you know, name 20 and he still has
• 1:13:04
  14 guys or 10 or 15 guys that he has to go against.
• 1:13:09
  That's a lot of one-on-one basketball that you have to
• 1:13:11
  play. And maybe he loses towards the
• 1:13:13
  end of somebody that's maybe not as good.
• 1:13:15
  But at Bullen, Bullen went what, like 8 or 9 in a row before?
• 1:13:19
  He got to Marquis. I think that could be advantage
• 1:13:21
  Marquis in that situation. But I agree, I agree.
• 1:13:25
  I think we didn't take, we didn't do the due.
• 1:13:27
  Diligence that we should have with this, but I think we kind
• 1:13:29
  of just picked our favorite players.
• 1:13:31
  But like when we we were dismissing, like who did we
• 1:13:34
  dismiss really, really bad? We dismissed Marcus.
• 1:13:39
  Foster you were upset about? Yeah, Marcus, like we dismissed
• 1:13:42
  Marcus Foster like. OK like he can't score 2
• 1:13:45
  baskets. Marcus Foster was an animal for
• 1:13:48
  us, dude. And for the record, Marquis Noel
• 1:13:51
  is not my. Favorite player over between
• 1:13:53
  him? No, no, absolutely not.
• 1:13:54
  But I mean, I kind of seeded this.
• 1:13:56
  Because I you know, I think it we we're not going to give this
• 1:13:59
  is kind of just the end of the road kind of in this podcast
• 1:14:03
  with it. I mean, if we wanted to do this
• 1:14:05
  a separate time and really go into depth about it, it would be
• 1:14:08
  fun. But, you know, so you're telling
• 1:14:09
  me. Mitch Richmond fresh, Yes.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah, give me, give me. Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  And I shouldn't have. Maybe I shouldn't have done
• 1:14:15
  that. But Mitch.
• 1:14:16
  Richmond off the bench, you know, fresh as a Daisy versus
• 1:14:21
  Jacob Poland, who's had a lather for eight guys.
• 1:14:24
  Pause. Yeah, I think Mitch Richmond
• 1:14:28
  wins this. Pretty easily.
• 1:14:29
  But yeah, I mean, if we, if I see that this and you know,
• 1:14:33
  randomly drew it out of a hat, maybe it would have, maybe it
• 1:14:35
  would have went different. But I think that's my game.
• 1:14:38
  I think Scott's, I think Scott's going to enjoy that game
• 1:14:41
  whenever. He listens to this, by the way,
• 1:14:44
  and judge. Yeah, he's.
• 1:14:47
  Oh yeah? Well.
• 1:14:48
  He's going to kill me. For the two names that I've
• 1:14:50
  butchered. I don't know how.
• 1:14:51
  Yeah, he he well deserved. I have.
• 1:14:54
  Been written down right here and there's clearly.
• 1:14:56
  An L and I said Renault. No wonder why we get bad
• 1:14:59
  comments. People won't start reviews
• 1:15:02
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• 1:15:05
  Basketball legends too. Basketball legends.
• 1:15:08
  Rolando, you said that so many. That was a fun.
• 1:15:13
  Game Chef. OK, now.
• 1:15:14
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• 1:15:17
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• 1:15:25
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• 1:15:27
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