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Breaking Down the Big Week 11 Games · NFL explained.

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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
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Speaker 1: and our buddy Baldy. Here, Baldy, We've got we got
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Speaker 1: some games we want to jam through, so we'll we'll
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Speaker 1: jump right to it. So why don't we start first off,
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Speaker 1: Let's go first game where you were at. Let's jump
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Speaker 1: into that buffalo flow. Just say it was a Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen show. Yeah he didn't.
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Speaker 2: Nobody played well against Buying me the week before, but
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Speaker 2: they still have they have major issues defending the run.
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Speaker 2: You saw Sean Tucker and you know, Rashad White have
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Speaker 2: a pretty good day. But Josh Allen was on his
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Speaker 2: game like they You know, he counted for six touchdowns,
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Speaker 2: he ran for three. They couldn't stop him in the
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Speaker 2: run game. He threw for three. You know, he got
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Speaker 2: the ball to his backs. Ty Johnson is a really
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Speaker 2: valuable third, third down guy, receiving guy. Like I was
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Speaker 2: actually talking, it's interesting, I'm curious what both of you think.
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Speaker 2: You know in this new formation we see around the
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Speaker 2: league where the running back is spread wide, but he's
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Speaker 2: in the running, he's in the backfield and I was.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to Levante about it, like what are
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Speaker 2: they doing? What all they're trying to do is just
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Speaker 2: get that guy in space quicker, you know, and he's
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Speaker 2: got a riot of waves that he can go. And
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Speaker 2: they got Ty Johnson, you know, on a you know,
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Speaker 2: his own pressure from uh Todd Bowles, and he got
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Speaker 2: him against you know, Anthony Nelson on the outside. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Josh saw it right away and put it right on him.
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Speaker 2: Buffalo looked like they could get back into this AFC
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Speaker 2: East race. They still play the New England again at
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Speaker 2: their place. Like the way that they played offensively, even
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Speaker 2: with Kean Coleman down and all Dalton and k down,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't make a difference. Josh was just
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Speaker 2: that good yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: To me, this was Josh Allen going back into superhero mode.
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Speaker 4: And he's done a really good job the last couple
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Speaker 4: of regular seasons of picking and choosing. When he kind
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Speaker 4: of gets into that, hey, I'll take over the game.
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Speaker 4: I do everything on my own, he tries to save
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Speaker 4: it kind of like my home, saves himself for the
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Speaker 4: postseason to stretch run in those things.
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Speaker 3: But I steel, like he says, is that it's situation critical.
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Speaker 4: I may need to do a little more, and that's
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Speaker 4: what they had to do because he had to do everything.
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Speaker 4: Run it, throw it, make every play. To me, this
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Speaker 4: is the only way that Buffalo can win. They're not
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Speaker 4: good enough for they're not solid enough in all the
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Speaker 4: areas to be able to dominate a team.
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Speaker 3: So they need number seventeen to put a.
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Speaker 4: Cape on each and every week to find a way
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Speaker 4: to get them into the Winter Circle.
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Speaker 2: You know it, it's down the field before the game,
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Speaker 2: and you know in Buffalo, the flag one flag is
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Speaker 2: going this way, the other flag's going this way. It's
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Speaker 2: just gusty, right, and you know, I'm watching Josh throw
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Speaker 2: the ball. I'm like, yeah, you're not gonna have any
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Speaker 2: problem like throwing through the winds Ryosh, And he's like, nah,
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Speaker 2: I go tell me some of the guys you're gonna
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Speaker 2: throw to. He goes, Oh, we've got a bunch of dudes.
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Speaker 2: We'll be fine today.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: Like honestly, like he was just that casual, you know,
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Speaker 2: that lose that casual and then he just went out
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Speaker 2: and did it, you know, in a kind of a
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Speaker 2: shootout game. It was really good to the very end.
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Speaker 2: I mean Baker was like Baker was competitive as hell.
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Speaker 2: You know, it was really a good quarterback duel. Going
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Speaker 2: back to that twenty eighteen draft, DJ, that was pretty
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Speaker 2: fun watching those guys go at it.
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Speaker 1: Like that and no question. And I'm thinking about Josh
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Speaker 1: and I was, you know, a bigger picture discussion. We
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Speaker 1: can do it on another day.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I've seen one flawless team or one team that I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at and saying, Okay, that's the team to beat.
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Speaker 1: But I also look at Josh and I kind of
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Speaker 1: just get reminded of like when you play pickup hoops
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Speaker 1: and then like the one elite player walks in the
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Speaker 1: gym and you're like, okay, normal, you divvy up teams
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Speaker 1: like this guy. This guy like no, you're by yourself.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna put the next five best players over here.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get four whatevers and you probably have a
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Speaker 1: still have a good chance of running the court. But
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, he's throwing the guys. I'm like, frick,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know. I mean, I do this for
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Speaker 1: a living and follow the draft, I'm like, yeah, the
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Speaker 1: heck is that, you know, going through some of these names,
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Speaker 1: But I do want to hit on a positive thing
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Speaker 1: for Tampa. You mentioned Sean Tucker going back to his time,
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Speaker 1: went back to his scouting report and everything, and just
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Speaker 1: seeing him get an opportunity because of some of the
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Speaker 1: injuries they had there. He goes nineteen a bucko six,
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Speaker 1: two touchdowns, explosive, hit him on some counters. But Baldy's
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Speaker 1: got me thinking, uh differently now when I'm watching these
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Speaker 1: these backs and I'm watching teams that run the ball,
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Speaker 1: well is He's always trying to find out who the
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Speaker 1: caddy is and uh Like you can go to all
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Speaker 1: their big runs and Tristan Wurf's is the main man
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Speaker 1: on every single one of them.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's because the position. I feel like Piney
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Speaker 1: Sewell gets so much national love. We talk about them
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Speaker 1: all the time. Maybe because there's some splashy blocks out
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Speaker 1: in space, but I don't know anybody's better than That's.
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Speaker 2: That tackle pool with that floor run for I mean
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Speaker 2: he's forty five yards down the field, you know, he's
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Speaker 2: running step for step with Sean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a freak man. He is a great, great player.
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Speaker 1: But again, Buck, we always talk about how certain gms.
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Speaker 1: We talk about it with Pittsburgh forever that you know,
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Speaker 1: the receivers, they could find receivers under under a flat rock,
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Speaker 1: like Jason Light start looking at him, saying, man, the
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Speaker 1: guy with running backs. Man, he's able to find these
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Speaker 1: guys any and everywhere.
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Speaker 4: He certainly has, and being able to have successful ground
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Speaker 4: attacks is really a big part of what they're going
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Speaker 4: to need to make the run that they want to
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Speaker 4: make as good as Baker has been, and when they
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Speaker 4: get all the weapons back and they can throw it
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Speaker 4: all over the yard, we know this game is about
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Speaker 4: control and they need to be able to control it
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Speaker 4: by running the football, that kind of milking the clock
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Speaker 4: and doing those things to protect the defense and those things.
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Speaker 3: But Baldy's right.
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Speaker 4: You guys are right about Tristan Wurf's and their ability
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Speaker 4: to do it up front. To think about someone who
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Speaker 4: can go from right tackle to left tackle to dominate
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Speaker 4: equally at both physicians, he.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't get enough credit for how special he is, no question, Baldie,
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Speaker 1: we were talking on the phone earlier this morning about
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Speaker 1: this one. It was man interesting game to watch, I'll
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Speaker 1: put it that way. Detroit, Philly, what do you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was stuck in the airport last night, so
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Speaker 2: I watched it in the airport and then I watched
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Speaker 2: it early this morning. I got gotten some text from
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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson, who doesn't have good news about it. As
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Speaker 2: for it, but anyways, they physically just nobody does that
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Speaker 2: to Detroit. Nobody does that to a Dan and Dan
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Speaker 2: Campbell team. I mean they were zero for five on
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Speaker 2: fourth downs. You watch the fourth down tape all you
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Speaker 2: didn't matter it was fourth and one or fourth and four,
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Speaker 2: like they bully you up front. And this addition of
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Speaker 2: they made two changes in the last two games. Now
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Speaker 2: n Kobe Dean is starting linebacker and Jalen Phillips at
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Speaker 2: the left outside outside linebacker, and both those guys have
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Speaker 2: made immediate dividends, I mean return on investment. And then
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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter is healthy. Now you know, Jordan Dave's been
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Speaker 2: playing well all year. Noel Smith is in a good
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Speaker 2: role like that.
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Speaker 1: Jo is a Jobo's turnament, a really good player.
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Speaker 2: I mean he just took you know, rut Ledge right,
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Speaker 2: rat Ledge, you know, just swadded them and let Jalen
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Speaker 2: Carter finished it. But they physically, I mean, they just
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Speaker 2: follow you right now, like, yes, Jamier Gibbs had some
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Speaker 2: plays in the screen game and he was he made
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Speaker 2: some plays and SAMs and Williams made one play, but
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Speaker 2: other or that they didn't give me anything nothing all night.
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Speaker 2: And on the other side of the ball, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just unwatchable their offense. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: they don't turn the ball over, and you know, they'll
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Speaker 2: just they'll win these games ten to seven, you know,
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Speaker 2: sixteen nine, and it doesn't matter, like that's how they're
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Speaker 2: gonna win these games.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, boy, that came away watching it that defensively, they're
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Speaker 4: good enough to go the distance with the defense just
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Speaker 4: kind of carrying the water. If they don't turn the
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Speaker 4: ball over on the offense, it's gonna be hard for
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Speaker 4: teams to beat them. You talked about the additions, Jalen
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Speaker 4: Phillips being in the lineup, Nikobe Dean being a linebacker.
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Speaker 4: The thing about it was Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter
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Speaker 4: on the inside. I think both of them they combine
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Speaker 4: for maybe five bad it passes at the line of scrimmage,
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Speaker 4: and you know how fu dj you know as a
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Speaker 4: quarter about how frustrating deb is every time you get
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Speaker 4: the ball out, it's back in. Your face is down,
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Speaker 4: so then you change your arm angle, you're quickening your delivery.
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Speaker 3: Everything is out of source.
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Speaker 4: And for the first time in a long time, I
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Speaker 4: saw Jerry Goff just completely uncomfortable, just out of source,
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Speaker 4: not having a clear answer to what the Eagles are doing.
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Speaker 4: And then you're looking at what they're doing in the
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Speaker 4: back and you're like, man.
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Speaker 3: This is a complex. They're not doing anything elaborate.
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Speaker 4: It's just, man, this team just brought some kick butt
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Speaker 4: and they just put it on them.
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Speaker 1: You know, I always love trying to put phrases together
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Speaker 1: on stuff that you watch Buck, I've been doing that forever.
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Speaker 1: We always have fun with it. But I was looking
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Speaker 1: at this Philly front and I'm thinking that this is
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Speaker 1: the phrase I came up with. I'm like, they got
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Speaker 1: firm and fastballs.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 1: They got guys like A Joemo and B G. Brandon
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Speaker 1: Graham firm And then next thing you look up and
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Speaker 1: there's fastballs coming at you. Whether it's Nolan Smith Jalen Phillips,
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Speaker 1: who's loosened up now on that wide nine and he's
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Speaker 1: got a runway and now he can turn speed to power.
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Speaker 1: But that's a fastball. Then you look inside you get
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Speaker 1: another one. Dude. You talk about quickness and explosiveness. Jalen Carter,
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Speaker 1: his ability, his lateral ability, it's like he teleports from
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Speaker 1: one one gap to another gap with what he does.
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Speaker 1: And then you got Jordan Davis, who's maybe more on
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Speaker 1: the firm, but it's like everybody that they have Baldy
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Speaker 1: either going to get a firm, hands to your chest
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Speaker 1: or you don't know where the guy went. He's already
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Speaker 1: passed you.
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Speaker 2: Well, Philadelphians don't like this, but they're the broad Street bullies, man.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know what reserved for hockey, but they're
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Speaker 2: just the broad Street bullies right now. And that's what
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Speaker 2: they're doing. They did into green Bay on money. They
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Speaker 2: did it to Green Bay in Detroit, the NFC North, right,
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Speaker 2: the two leaders in the NFC North in a six
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Speaker 2: day span, and they just bullied him up front. And
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Speaker 2: when Nikobe comes on a blitz like I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I think Josh Jacobs is and David Montgomery about as
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Speaker 2: good as he gets when it comes to blitz pickup,
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Speaker 2: and he just splattered both those guys and they led
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Speaker 2: the huge plays in both games here over the six days.
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Speaker 1: And I watched that. You mentioned the fourth down zero
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Speaker 1: for five on fourth down for Detroit, three for thirteen
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Speaker 1: on third downs, So just going through that, and it's Phillips,
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Speaker 1: it's him collapse in the pocket multiple times as Carter
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Speaker 1: went in the quickness, and I mentioned Graham and a
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Speaker 1: Joemo just stacking blocks. You mentioned the Na Kobe Dean
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Speaker 1: blitz even on one that they converted. It was a
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Speaker 1: third and shortish and they end up hitting a big play,
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Speaker 1: but you're watching it in ninety and ninety eight or
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Speaker 1: thirty yards down the field chasing it down. I'm like
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Speaker 1: that speaks to the culture that they have there on
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Speaker 1: that defense man and.
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Speaker 2: Not just that DJ, but what they've done now with
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Speaker 2: Noel Smith coming back and Jalen you know coming.
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Speaker 1: Get yeah, Jalux Hunt still coming front.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've got depth up there right now, you know.
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Speaker 2: And so they're just going to and you know, they're
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Speaker 2: they're building this thing for a deep run in January.
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Speaker 2: So they're going to try and keep those guys as
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Speaker 2: fresh as they can right now along that defensive line
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Speaker 2: without you know, and trading those guys out without losing
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Speaker 2: a lot upfront.
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Speaker 1: When some guy goes out of the out of the lineup. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm big on it, man. I think that the best
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Speaker 1: defenses in the league. One of the things that they
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Speaker 1: have in common is they've got two waves of guys
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Speaker 1: up front, and they play fast and they cannot have
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Speaker 1: to worry about having to conserve any energy. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: big win for Philly. Their roleing offensively ugly, no question, Detroit,
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Speaker 1: it's in playwall GoF didn't play well.
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Speaker 3: It is what it is.
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Speaker 1: Bucks Seattle and the Rams a game we've been looking
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Speaker 1: forward to for a long time. It delivered.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely delivered. I think what's interesting about this.
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Speaker 4: Game the Rams referencing their experience going against Sam Donald
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Speaker 4: last year in Minnesota, even though it's not the same
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Speaker 4: scheme and those things, but they gained a lot of
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Speaker 4: confidence out of knowing they faced him at the end
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Speaker 4: of the year and they did a really good job
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Speaker 4: of just destroying his rhythm, his timing, and maybe even
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Speaker 4: a little bit of his confidence.
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Speaker 3: They were all over the place.
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Speaker 4: And the one thing that I know about the Rams,
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Speaker 4: having watched him personally, Donkey kick the Jaguars over in
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Speaker 4: London defensively when they are.
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Speaker 3: Going with Jared Vers and all those young guys heating
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Speaker 3: them up. Man, they can come at you in waves.
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Speaker 3: They're a very physical team.
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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say this, whatever they do with the
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Speaker 4: reclamation projects in the back end, Emanuel Ford's playing well
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Speaker 4: for them. Darius Williams playing well for them after I
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Speaker 4: watched him struggle in Jacksonville. Maybe it's Rvey pleasant or whatever,
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Speaker 4: but they they find a way to get all these
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Speaker 4: guys on the same page, and the rush matches the
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Speaker 4: coverage and it's a very very difficult defense to have
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Speaker 4: to contend with over sixty minutes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, Baldi.
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Speaker 3: Well, I was just.
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Speaker 2: Cam Kinchens, you know, Cam Kitchens and Cam curl they
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Speaker 2: you know Lake.
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Speaker 5: I mean, they played their safeties.
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Speaker 2: But you know, the first interception Sam threw is a
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Speaker 2: classic one rat out of a disguise Cover two and
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Speaker 2: Curls going to the middle of the field and Kitchens
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Speaker 2: is just he's just in there being a rat.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: He jumped right in front of the you know of
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Speaker 2: a Smith and Jigba throw and I don't think Sam
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Speaker 2: ever saw him. He picked it off clean, and then
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Speaker 2: he was in a you know, deep path, just playing
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Speaker 2: cover two, reading two to one, and again they came
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Speaker 2: to they went to Auroral in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: field and he just jumped right in front of that throw.
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Speaker 2: And then even on the Darius Williams interception, he came
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Speaker 2: on a blitze and hit Sam Darnold and as he
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Speaker 2: threw it, you could you know He's just like this
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Speaker 2: just didn't come out. I mean, he made three big plays.
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Speaker 2: I want to say this, uh DJ this Snate Laman
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Speaker 2: is one hell of a football like.
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Speaker 5: He was in Atlanta. He wasn't even drafted, was he.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe, so I to pull that one.
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Speaker 5: He's everywhere like he does everything. He's just one of
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Speaker 5: those players.
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Speaker 2: He does everything fundamentally sound and you just watch him.
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Speaker 2: He's he's all over the field. He leads the team
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Speaker 2: in tackles by mile, and he was all over the
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Speaker 2: field again on Sunday. But despite the turnovers by the Rams,
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Speaker 2: Seattle is still there at the end. Defense just rescued
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Speaker 2: him time after time again and held him to three
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Speaker 2: touchdowns a lot of short fields. But that that rematch
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Speaker 2: on December eighteenth can be I mean, that's prime time
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Speaker 2: viewing right there.
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Speaker 1: All right, Baldi, he want some Nate Lambman. Scaley's give
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Speaker 1: me some meat, all right, Nate Lambman, this is what
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Speaker 1: was born like in South Africa something. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: have the personal stuff. So he was at Colorado, so
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Speaker 1: he was six oh two four two thirty eight. He
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Speaker 1: ran four eight six. So there's the reason why he
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Speaker 1: wasn't drafted four eight six. He missed five games that
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Speaker 1: year with a shoulder injury, but still had six TFLs.
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Speaker 1: Fur PBUs. He's a mic. He directs traffic. He's got
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Speaker 1: I this is my accoum. And I say he's got
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Speaker 1: quick eyes and slow feet. He's a he's a catch tackler.
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Speaker 1: But to me, you got somebody who's you know, you
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Speaker 1: can see the through line here right, direct traffic communicator.
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Speaker 1: You know instincts. He just didn't he just didn't run.
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Speaker 1: But when you take two steps in the right direction
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Speaker 1: before everybody else on the field, it does eliminate some
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Speaker 1: of that need. And they've done that. Man. You look
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Speaker 1: at what they've done with the Reclamation project with Emmanuel Forbes,
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Speaker 1: who was a really good college football player who was
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Speaker 1: just light and was missing tackles in Washington, Like they
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Speaker 1: find the good, Like that's the whole point of scouting
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Speaker 1: Buck and I I mean when you're in the room,
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Speaker 1: that's what you talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you
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Speaker 1: keep telling me what he can't do? What can this
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Speaker 1: guy do? And that's a great example of this kid.
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Speaker 1: But I tell you, you know, he's got four force fumbles.
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Speaker 1: He had another one they didn't recover, but he had
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Speaker 1: another one on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: But even in Atlanta's two years in Atlanta, he had
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Speaker 2: three force fumbles in each year, he's got ten forces.
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Speaker 2: He fills up the stat sheet, the guy, you know,
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Speaker 2: and so like he's he's just he's exactly what they
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Speaker 2: need because that front is really really talented and they
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Speaker 2: got a lot of so he just cleans up. He's
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Speaker 2: just a vacuum cleaner in there, clean up these tackles right.
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Speaker 1: Now, Gavin filled it in there. Bucks Zimbabwe and dad
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Speaker 1: played rugby, so yeah, rugby, that was him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look a great break around. But DJ,
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Speaker 3: we talked about it, Baldy.
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Speaker 4: Culturally, it's the expectations that you put on the young
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Speaker 4: players or the players that come in to build it.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna coach everybody and if you don't make it,
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Speaker 4: you're gonna make it somewhere. I just believe there's certain
15:48
Speaker 4: organizations that really pour into the development process when it
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Speaker 4: comes to young players, and those guys benefit as a result,
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Speaker 4: and the team benefits from being able to play all
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Speaker 4: those young guys at one time.
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Speaker 2: So just from less needs draft philosophy here, DJ, you're
16:02
Speaker 2: talking about resources and the defense. They've drafted two defensive
16:06
Speaker 2: linemen in each of the last three drafts, and they're
16:08
Speaker 2: all on the field, you know, and so you see
16:11
Speaker 2: Stewart out there now, but Byron Young and Kobe Turner
16:13
Speaker 2: and like the whole group, you know, you know, obviously
16:16
Speaker 2: Fisk and verse, but they've drafted two in each draft
16:19
Speaker 2: and they're all on the field, and so they've just
16:22
Speaker 2: rebuilt that whole.
16:23
Speaker 5: Front, you know.
16:24
Speaker 2: I mean there's Aaron Donald, you know, retiring his jersey
16:26
Speaker 2: a Pitt on Saturday, and I'm like, here they are, like, no,
16:31
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, But they're really good and you know, as
16:34
Speaker 2: a group right.
16:34
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, they went from they you know, that's the
16:37
Speaker 1: sign of a smart GM too, is that they've they've
16:40
Speaker 1: changed the makeup of the team in terms of the
16:43
Speaker 1: complexion of it. Where they were, I mean, there was
16:45
Speaker 1: the whole screw them picks stars right, stars and maybe
16:49
Speaker 1: maybe not yeah, but yeah, Ram and yeah you had
16:52
Speaker 1: those pillars right. It was like Mount rushmore of those
16:54
Speaker 1: you know, four four guys And now you look up
16:57
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, we did that. Now we still
16:59
Speaker 1: got Stafford, which is huge piece of it, and we
17:01
Speaker 1: still got a couple other guys because it has developed
17:03
Speaker 1: into that. But it's just we're going to overwhelm you
17:05
Speaker 1: with depth. It's two different ways to get into the
17:08
Speaker 1: finish line. But that shows you the adaptability there, which
17:10
Speaker 1: I think is a great sign book of a personnel
17:13
Speaker 1: department knows what they're doing.
17:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the debtability is everything. I
17:16
Speaker 3: think like certain years.
17:17
Speaker 4: Require you to be like really really heavy when we
17:19
Speaker 4: talk about the draft developed process of the time, piers
17:22
Speaker 4: require you to be aggressive when it comes to free
17:25
Speaker 4: agency training in those things, and DJ as our generation
17:29
Speaker 4: takes over these jobs with decision makers and those things,
17:32
Speaker 4: you are seeing people take more aggressive approaches when it
17:36
Speaker 4: comes to rebuilding the franchise, doing it a few different ways.
17:40
Speaker 3: In the Rams have kind of been on the forefront
17:43
Speaker 3: of that movement.
17:43
Speaker 4: When Les talked about f those picks, everyone laughed, but
17:47
Speaker 4: he was right because it paid off of them.
17:49
Speaker 3: But then they come right back.
17:50
Speaker 4: And the reason why they're able to blow off those
17:52
Speaker 4: early picks because they did such a great job drafting
17:56
Speaker 4: y late day two throughout Day three, being able to
17:59
Speaker 4: get players turn into.
18:02
Speaker 3: The viable starters in those things.
18:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing is, by the way the Rams,
18:07
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up with a top ten pick. Man,
18:09
Speaker 1: They've got Atlanta's first round pick next year. Pennix is
18:12
Speaker 1: out for the year. They are struggling, and you watch
18:15
Speaker 1: Les can do what he wants so that he could
18:16
Speaker 1: take take somebody there, or he could everybody's telling everybody
18:19
Speaker 1: in the scouting community, Baldy, we are all looking towards
18:21
Speaker 1: twenty seven like this twenty six draft. Cute little draft.
18:24
Speaker 1: Twenty seven could be an all timer. All right, let's
18:27
Speaker 1: going to spend that thing and just start collecting and
18:29
Speaker 1: just have a massive haul for the lottery there in
18:31
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. See if you can't get a shot
18:33
Speaker 1: at Jeremiah Smith and company. All right, that's say quick break,
18:36
Speaker 1: we'll get back knock out a few more games, all right, Baldi,
18:42
Speaker 1: This was a big one in the AFC. West Man Denver.
18:45
Speaker 1: They pick up the win twenty two to nineteen late
18:47
Speaker 1: last minute drive, which I'll get to in a minute,
18:49
Speaker 1: but just your takeaways on maybe the biggest win Denver's
18:52
Speaker 1: had quite some time.
18:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just watching one of
18:57
Speaker 2: my favorite players in this league is Jawuan McMillan. And
19:00
Speaker 2: while Denver has had a lot of name guys from
19:03
Speaker 2: Sir tand to you know, Bonito, I mean, a lot
19:05
Speaker 2: of name players in that defense Halfanga has been playing great,
19:08
Speaker 2: but I mean Jakwan made he made some of the
19:10
Speaker 2: biggest players. I mean, he got the interception on a
19:13
Speaker 2: scrambled drill where Mahomes as Mitchell for a touchdown They're
19:17
Speaker 2: going to take the lead in the third quarter, he
19:19
Speaker 2: intercepts it. He he sacks Mahomes, you know, towards the
19:21
Speaker 2: end of the game, when it's nineteen nineteen, it's tied,
19:24
Speaker 2: you know, it's Mahomes time. He comes off the edge
19:26
Speaker 2: corner cat like a bat out of hell, and so
19:29
Speaker 2: you know, the defense rows up, you know, and bow
19:33
Speaker 2: Nicks can struggle for a long stretch of a lot
19:36
Speaker 2: of games, but he seems to be clutch when they
19:39
Speaker 2: need him to be clutch.
19:40
Speaker 5: And he and he was again on Sunday.
19:43
Speaker 3: You know, here's the thinking about both Nicks.
19:44
Speaker 4: Boennicks has five game winning drives fourth quarter comebacks this season.
19:49
Speaker 4: And everyone will give the Broncos a tough time about
19:52
Speaker 4: their offense and it being pedestrian and not explosive in
19:55
Speaker 4: those things, and some of that is obviously true, but
19:58
Speaker 4: also think that Sean Paigne leans into the dominance of
20:02
Speaker 4: his defense and he understands how to win games. And
20:06
Speaker 4: this was a game where I felt like the Broncos
20:08
Speaker 4: didn't play well, but they were always in it and
20:11
Speaker 4: they knew they could still it at the end.
20:13
Speaker 3: And then you look up and bow Knicks makes a
20:15
Speaker 3: couple of throws.
20:16
Speaker 4: They kind of get down to it, they hit the
20:18
Speaker 4: game winner, and they go and they vanquish the evil
20:22
Speaker 4: o Umpire like they kind of drove a stake through
20:24
Speaker 4: the heart of the Kansas City Chiefs.
20:26
Speaker 3: And so give the Broncos credit. It has not been ugly.
20:30
Speaker 4: I mean it's not been pretty at all, but man,
20:32
Speaker 4: they just keep stacking wins and you look up the
20:35
Speaker 4: right where they need to be. When we talk about
20:37
Speaker 4: incontingent for the number one overall Sea, I.
20:39
Speaker 1: Went through that game winning drive. And something that I've
20:44
Speaker 1: always been a firm believer in and it drives me insane,
20:48
Speaker 1: is that, you know, we always used to talk abally, hey,
20:50
Speaker 1: first downs, not touchdowns, like that's the key to the
20:52
Speaker 1: two minute drill, Like we're just worried about let's get
20:54
Speaker 1: the first first down and then we go. But the
20:57
Speaker 1: first play that they ran was a bubble and it
20:59
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, this is what we're just gonna see.
21:01
Speaker 1: As Bucky always said, we don't see the ball go
21:02
Speaker 1: through the hoop man, Let's just get a little completion.
21:04
Speaker 1: We're going to get what we can get. But now
21:06
Speaker 1: it's just there's a feeling as a quarterback, Okay, we
21:08
Speaker 1: got something going. There's even if you're second and eight,
21:11
Speaker 1: it's just different. Then you throw incomplete and you're like,
21:13
Speaker 1: oh crap, it's all my it's second ten. Now now
21:16
Speaker 1: we're kind of grinding. But I think even just the
21:18
Speaker 1: simplicity of that show, Sean Payton kind of has an
21:20
Speaker 1: overall awareness. And that's why you don't do this by accident.
21:23
Speaker 1: We have this many come from behind wins.
21:26
Speaker 2: He signed an accent. You know, he knows how to
21:29
Speaker 2: set plays up and wait for certain situations when when
21:34
Speaker 2: to call things. He knows the flow of the game
21:36
Speaker 2: and where you're going to need to be, and I
21:39
Speaker 2: think he just saved certain certain plays for situations like that.
21:43
Speaker 5: And Bo Nicks.
21:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure Sean isn't the nicest guy to be around
21:48
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays and Thursdays out there, but I'm sure that
21:50
Speaker 2: Bo just has that thick skin too when he's making
21:54
Speaker 2: sure that he understands the I know, just talking to
21:57
Speaker 2: guys that have coached with Sean, like he has men
22:00
Speaker 2: niacle about red zone offense. One reason why I read,
22:03
Speaker 2: you know, Russell was gone, like they just didn't understand
22:07
Speaker 2: just how just how on you have to be in
22:11
Speaker 2: that part of the field. And that's you know, that
22:14
Speaker 2: keeps him up late at night. But I thought he
22:16
Speaker 2: saved some good plays at the end.
22:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says some good plays, but not only dad Man,
22:21
Speaker 4: just his understanding.
22:23
Speaker 3: You talk about how experience matters.
22:25
Speaker 4: Experience and the expertise of clock management and game management.
22:29
Speaker 4: That's where the veteran coaches can kind of steal things
22:33
Speaker 4: from other than obviously any reason on the other side,
22:35
Speaker 4: but Sean Payton's keen understanding of what we need to
22:38
Speaker 4: do today to win the game comes out in his
22:41
Speaker 4: play call in the way that he runs the entire operation.
22:44
Speaker 1: Other thing I'll add on, you know these late drives
22:46
Speaker 1: to win games. And we've seen it with Caleb Williams,
22:48
Speaker 1: who will get to in a little bit who he
22:50
Speaker 1: has five of these things as well. Think about Mahomes
22:52
Speaker 1: and his late game magic he's had for his entire career.
22:55
Speaker 1: There's always one play in that drive where your legs
22:57
Speaker 1: come into it, whether or not you're going to scramble
22:59
Speaker 1: and pick up the first down. This case, it was
23:01
Speaker 1: third and fifteen, and he's able to buy some time
23:04
Speaker 1: and able to get a nice conversion down the field
23:06
Speaker 1: and then you have your opportunity with bald these reference
23:09
Speaker 1: and you know, I love the phrase Ben Johnson used
23:11
Speaker 1: this in their game last week where he talks about
23:13
Speaker 1: hunting coverages, like I've got play calls around hunting a
23:16
Speaker 1: certain coverage and if we if we get the coverage
23:18
Speaker 1: we want, that's the play.
23:19
Speaker 3: It's going to work.
23:20
Speaker 1: So they run a switch release and he has a
23:22
Speaker 1: seven route to Franklin to kind of to put them
23:25
Speaker 1: in the field goal position to win the game. But
23:27
Speaker 1: it was give you a completion early. Hey, you're going
23:29
Speaker 1: to need to use your legs at some point in
23:30
Speaker 1: time to help us convert and then hopefully eventually we're
23:33
Speaker 1: going to hunt a coverage. We're gonna get the right
23:35
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the right look from a defense. We're
23:37
Speaker 1: gonna be able to cash in with the big chump
23:38
Speaker 1: play that we need. But that seems to be the
23:40
Speaker 1: formula and they've got it and Baldy, I mean, we
23:43
Speaker 1: don't need to belabor it. But Kansas City's five hundre
23:46
Speaker 1: right now. They got the Colts next week. Man like
23:48
Speaker 1: they are in some real trouble here.
23:49
Speaker 2: Well, they're three and a half games behind Denver. I'm
23:52
Speaker 2: going to be in Kansas City Sunday. You know, the
23:55
Speaker 2: Colts had a bye week, so they're going to be
23:57
Speaker 2: rested and fresh. They're playing without you know, DeForest Buckner,
24:02
Speaker 2: which is big loss defensively, but it's it's you know,
24:06
Speaker 2: we'll uh like it. There are seasons on the line,
24:09
Speaker 2: you know, because you're going to see other teams emerge
24:12
Speaker 2: in the AFC right now that are are going to
24:15
Speaker 2: be you know, I think Denver's gonna win the division
24:17
Speaker 2: right now for the first time. Whatever it is you
24:20
Speaker 2: know since Elway was probably there, Peyton Manning, I guess
24:23
Speaker 2: it's been a long time, but I mean they're they're
24:25
Speaker 2: in the driver's seat right now, in good shape, with
24:28
Speaker 2: one up on Kansas City like that. One thing, one
24:30
Speaker 2: real quick thing is like I remember at the trade
24:33
Speaker 2: deadline two weeks ago, everybody was like, ah, you know,
24:35
Speaker 2: Denver should go get a receiver. I'm like, maybe they should.
24:38
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you look at Pat Bryant,
24:40
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin and all these guys that they've drafted, like
24:44
Speaker 2: they're all you know, I mean, I know Courtland Sutton
24:46
Speaker 2: is their go to guy, but I mean all these
24:48
Speaker 2: guys have stepped up, you know, at certain times, and
24:51
Speaker 2: they've got they've got like a different role for all
24:54
Speaker 2: of them, a defined role.
24:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:56
Speaker 1: They spread the ball around. Man, it look that it's
24:59
Speaker 1: worked and whatever they're doing is working. Buck Baltimore, Cleveland
25:03
Speaker 1: Baltimore gets to win twenty three to sixteen.
25:06
Speaker 5: Yeah.
25:06
Speaker 4: Really interesting in watching this game, man, for most of
25:10
Speaker 4: the game, the Cleveland Browns were in control of this game.
25:12
Speaker 3: I mean they were able to get it.
25:13
Speaker 4: Done with their defense kind of leading away getting pick
25:16
Speaker 4: six is Devin Bush takes a pick six back then
25:19
Speaker 4: knocking them around and then you know, Dylan Gabriel gets hurt.
25:22
Speaker 3: Shad Or Sanders comes in and he's not able to
25:24
Speaker 3: move the offense, and that just.
25:27
Speaker 4: Gave the Ravens enough time to kind of work their
25:30
Speaker 4: way back into the mix. Not a pretty performers, But
25:33
Speaker 4: I would say the thing that stood out to me
25:35
Speaker 4: was the push play. That the trick where they spin
25:40
Speaker 4: up on their Mark Andrews comes out the back door.
25:42
Speaker 3: A great play.
25:42
Speaker 4: We've seen other teams use different things, and it's the
25:45
Speaker 4: always Enever so often in football we talked about, hey,
25:49
Speaker 4: they always do this, they never do that, And in
25:52
Speaker 4: breaking the tendency, they found a way to get a
25:54
Speaker 4: game winning touchdown.
25:55
Speaker 3: Because they did something that wasn't on the play card
25:58
Speaker 3: for the Browns.
26:00
Speaker 2: That's great, great point bucket because they they had run
26:02
Speaker 2: that play on their touch push with Mark Andrews a
26:05
Speaker 2: number of times over the last two years and to
26:08
Speaker 2: be able to pull that one out like that, and
26:10
Speaker 2: I'm sure Cleveland was not expecting that, So they broke
26:14
Speaker 2: that tendency really good. But you know this this, I
26:17
Speaker 2: guess if you're you know, if you're in that building,
26:20
Speaker 2: DJ you know a month ago when you're one in
26:22
Speaker 2: five and you're in the crypt and they're thinking, how
26:26
Speaker 2: the hell are we going to get out of this?
26:27
Speaker 2: You know, and Pittsburgh is rolling at that time, and
26:31
Speaker 2: if you just defensively, like they got Rokwon back and
26:34
Speaker 2: they got healthier, and Kyle Hamilton is just everywhere now,
26:38
Speaker 2: like they got their guys back on the field, Like
26:40
Speaker 2: that defense has been carrying them, you know, going back
26:43
Speaker 2: to the Chicago win when Nate Wiggins intercepted the ball
26:46
Speaker 2: in Caleb at the end of the game when it
26:47
Speaker 2: was tied. The defense is making these plays right now
26:50
Speaker 2: to keep them going because the offense still doesn't look great.
26:54
Speaker 2: It doesn't look playoff ready yet. But they've got time
26:57
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, they've got two games with Pittsburgh
26:59
Speaker 2: coming up and it's going to decide the division.
27:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the schedule set up for him going
27:04
Speaker 1: back through it here. So when they're sitting at one
27:06
Speaker 1: and five, after that, they had Chicago, which was going
27:10
Speaker 1: to be tough for him, and the score looks lopsided
27:12
Speaker 1: because of that late interception. That was a very close
27:15
Speaker 1: game which they got. And once they got that first game, okay,
27:18
Speaker 1: Miami twenty eight to six. You get Minnesota, who was
27:21
Speaker 1: not in a good spot, twenty seven to nineteen. They
27:23
Speaker 1: win this game against Cleveland, They've got the Jets, they've
27:26
Speaker 1: got the Bengals, They've got Pittsburgh and the Bengals again.
27:30
Speaker 1: I mean, the next time they're going to play a
27:32
Speaker 1: team that's that you could say is really rolling, is
27:34
Speaker 1: going to be New England and who knows what they
27:36
Speaker 1: are at that point time, but that's not until December
27:38
Speaker 1: twenty first, So really from you know, after losing on
27:41
Speaker 1: October twelfth, the schedule was their friend there, and I
27:45
Speaker 1: think that's got to give you a little confidence. Once
27:47
Speaker 1: they got that first one, they just need to get
27:48
Speaker 1: that Chicago game, and then the defense started playing better,
27:51
Speaker 1: and now it's they're set up.
27:52
Speaker 3: Man.
27:52
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't look at any the odd stuff,
27:54
Speaker 1: but I would imagine they probably hear the favorite even
27:56
Speaker 1: though they're you know, trailing. That's been right now. Yeah,
27:59
Speaker 1: So I mean it's all lined up for him Buck.
28:01
Speaker 1: I do want to mention two things real quick. Kyle
28:05
Speaker 1: Hamilton told Baldy about this one this morning. That was
28:07
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Nine tackles, a sack, three TFLs. There's
28:10
Speaker 1: one he comes downhill in Stone's Potonio knocks him back
28:15
Speaker 1: three yards and make a play. Then you'll see him
28:18
Speaker 1: out in space, avoid a block and make a tackle.
28:20
Speaker 1: You'll see him rush over the center. They line them
28:23
Speaker 1: up over the center and he just wins immediately and
28:27
Speaker 1: ends up spinning off and getting a sack. Then he's
28:29
Speaker 1: backside on a runaway and they don't account for him.
28:32
Speaker 1: He closes the back door, makes a tackle. Like guys everywhere, Man,
28:35
Speaker 1: he does so many different things.
28:37
Speaker 2: Bucky, let me ask you this, because how do you
28:40
Speaker 2: design the defense with the guy that can be that
28:43
Speaker 2: is that versatile Where he had is it just complete
28:47
Speaker 2: freedom within the scheme to line up on the center
28:51
Speaker 2: and do this or you know to you know, he'll
28:54
Speaker 2: he'll be in the A gap and next thing you know,
28:56
Speaker 2: he's in deep center field.
28:57
Speaker 5: And like just the way that they use them.
29:01
Speaker 2: It's just there's really maybe imam worry with Mike McDonald
29:05
Speaker 2: over time can get like that. But there's really the
29:08
Speaker 2: most unique defensive player in this league right now.
29:10
Speaker 3: No, I've never really seen anything like you.
29:12
Speaker 4: You talk about that hybrid position and what you can
29:14
Speaker 4: do and being able to pounce around. I think it
29:16
Speaker 4: takes a player who has a unique skill set. It
29:19
Speaker 4: takes a player who also has a high i Q
29:21
Speaker 4: to do all the different things they're asking them to do.
29:23
Speaker 3: And then there has to be the want to desire,
29:25
Speaker 3: like I want to be special.
29:26
Speaker 4: And what special players do is they do these other
29:29
Speaker 4: things to elevate the play of their team.
29:31
Speaker 3: Theyson his ability to.
29:33
Speaker 4: Go to that spot and right after that spot, you
29:35
Speaker 4: saw the defense quickly repair yourself. And that's what they've
29:38
Speaker 4: been able to do. And it also takes a village
29:42
Speaker 4: and a supporting cast. You talk about the trade that
29:44
Speaker 4: they get, the free safety coming over, you think about
29:47
Speaker 4: the other guys, Malachot starrksmen to play his role in
29:49
Speaker 4: the back end, and all the pieces of the puzzle
29:52
Speaker 4: coming together. But yeah, man, you talk about a difference maker,
29:55
Speaker 4: game changer sods.
29:57
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I see a very similar thing with Derwin.
29:59
Speaker 1: You Darwin's roll and locked in, Derwin draws a lot
30:02
Speaker 1: of attention. Now, difference is Darwin's got some good players
30:05
Speaker 1: around him. He didn't have Rokwan Smith Like, there's other
30:07
Speaker 1: guys that you got to really really account for there
30:10
Speaker 1: in that front. But man, Kyle Hampton special player. And
30:12
Speaker 1: then lastly on that game and then we'll keep it moving.
30:14
Speaker 1: I mean, just because people are gonna ask you do
30:16
Speaker 1: or gets in four of sixteen forty seven yards three
30:19
Speaker 1: carries sixteen yards going through it. They start out nice,
30:22
Speaker 1: get them, a little half roll got them completion, a
30:24
Speaker 1: little sit route gets completion, and then you have the
30:26
Speaker 1: poor decision, you know, and inaccurate ball gets picked another
30:29
Speaker 1: one that Kyle Hamilton should have picked when he's trying
30:31
Speaker 1: to throw across his body. I'm just trying to do
30:34
Speaker 1: too much. The thing that I like the most about it,
30:37
Speaker 1: And obviously the numbers are the numbers, but man, he
30:40
Speaker 1: played aggressive. My thing is you get sometimes you get
30:42
Speaker 1: young guys in there, they just want to think of
30:44
Speaker 1: dunk the ball down like he was trying to be
30:45
Speaker 1: aggressive and push the ball down the field, which is
30:47
Speaker 1: definitely something you could work with baldly. My dad used
30:50
Speaker 1: to always say, I'd rather rain in a thoroughbread than
30:52
Speaker 1: have to kick a donkey in the butt, you know,
30:54
Speaker 1: like that's a good thing to have there somebody that
30:56
Speaker 1: wants to be aggressive versus trying to teach him to
30:58
Speaker 1: be aggressive. And then the other thing I wrote down
31:02
Speaker 1: is Buck He's just going to have to learn to
31:05
Speaker 1: play without time and space, because when there's time and space,
31:08
Speaker 1: he's a really pure thrower. He can really spend it.
31:11
Speaker 1: He does a lot of good things. But as he
31:13
Speaker 1: learned at Colorado, he can time and space can be
31:16
Speaker 1: in short supply. And the difference is that's similar to Colorado.
31:20
Speaker 1: The differences and you don't have Travis Hunter still creating
31:23
Speaker 1: six yards of separation even though you're in a condensed pocket.
31:25
Speaker 1: He's in condensed pockets and doesn't have that separation. That's
31:28
Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment for him.
31:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge adjustment, and I think everyone is
31:33
Speaker 4: right about in terms of what they saw like some good,
31:36
Speaker 4: some bad things, some things that he can iron out
31:38
Speaker 4: and work on. It'd be interesting if he gets a
31:41
Speaker 4: start next week and he begets to take all of
31:44
Speaker 4: the first team reps and gets all of that stuff
31:46
Speaker 4: and he plays within a game plan that is built
31:50
Speaker 4: specifically for him as opposed to running the Dylan Gabriel offense.
31:55
Speaker 4: All those things that did, and then I would say
31:57
Speaker 4: to him, like so many of these other young guys
31:59
Speaker 4: that we see in around the league, whether it's Abduel
32:01
Speaker 4: Carter or Kean Coben and those things. It's not the same,
32:04
Speaker 4: but it is. Man, you got to be ready when
32:06
Speaker 4: your chance comes, no matter what they say, no matter
32:09
Speaker 4: how few reps you get, when your numbers call, it's
32:13
Speaker 4: on you as a professional to be ready. And so
32:16
Speaker 4: he has to be ready when he gets that opportunity
32:18
Speaker 4: because sometimes that opportunity doesn't come back around, and so
32:22
Speaker 4: you got to be able to take advantage.
32:23
Speaker 3: Of it when you get your shot.
32:25
Speaker 2: DJ just from a quarterback standpoint, he never threw to
32:28
Speaker 2: a tight end at Colorado. The two best receivers are
32:31
Speaker 2: tight ends in Cleveland. Like is that and he's not
32:34
Speaker 2: getting any reps, But I mean the use of the
32:37
Speaker 2: tight end. Hit the tight end on the crossing route
32:39
Speaker 2: and you know that was a good throw. But I'm
32:42
Speaker 2: just curious, is that like any kind of an adjustment
32:44
Speaker 2: or is that just something that everybody adjusts to.
32:47
Speaker 1: I have to pull up the numbers of the tape
32:49
Speaker 1: in front of it. I remember in the preseason, I
32:50
Speaker 1: remember him hitting a joke. If I'm not mistaken, I
32:52
Speaker 1: remember him hitting some tight ends and making some place.
32:54
Speaker 1: I think that'll be fine. I think he's gonna learn.
32:56
Speaker 1: He's got to, you know, I talked about being aggressive.
32:59
Speaker 1: He's going to have to hunt easier completions and those
33:02
Speaker 1: are going to come with your tight ends and your backs,
33:04
Speaker 1: which is what this offense really is. They don't have
33:06
Speaker 1: real dudes out there, big time dudes. So you he's smart,
33:11
Speaker 1: He's he's someone. I think that the difference between him
33:14
Speaker 1: and Gabriel is I think Gabriel coming into this process
33:18
Speaker 1: played so much ball that but his ceiling not become tight.
33:22
Speaker 1: But like his ceiling was just much lower, and he
33:25
Speaker 1: might already be closer to that to maximizing that. Whereas
33:28
Speaker 1: we shoot, even though the numbers are the numbers, you
33:30
Speaker 1: could see like there's a couple real close where they
33:32
Speaker 1: just didn't quite bring it in down the field. But
33:34
Speaker 1: like he's got some he could play at a higher
33:37
Speaker 1: level if he gets to everything that he has. He
33:39
Speaker 1: just can push the ball and he's just more a
33:41
Speaker 1: little bit more dynamic of a thrower than Gabriel is.
33:44
Speaker 3: Buck. Yeah.
33:45
Speaker 4: And the thing that he has to do though is
33:46
Speaker 4: he has to get used to the boring work. So
33:49
Speaker 4: when you talk about the checkdowns to underneath things whatever,
33:52
Speaker 4: like we've seen that Drew Brees did this for years.
33:55
Speaker 4: Checked out underneath, checked out underneath, and as soon as
33:57
Speaker 4: you deviated and came out the coverage, punish you with
34:01
Speaker 4: a ball down the scene. Schaudure and a lot of
34:03
Speaker 4: young quarterbacks they have to understand that patience, that discipline.
34:07
Speaker 4: When you ran from the pocket, you got to take
34:09
Speaker 4: the underneath stuff into the biggest stuff opens up naturally.
34:13
Speaker 4: Maybe he'll have an opportunity to do it, maybe he
34:15
Speaker 4: will buy into that. But yeah, what we saw is
34:17
Speaker 4: the good and Baddes should do is saying this all
34:18
Speaker 4: in one.
34:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, congratulations, you finally get You're
34:23
Speaker 1: gonna get your opportunity as the weather's getting ready to
34:25
Speaker 1: turn it, you know. Oh boy, man, Cleveland, there's no
34:27
Speaker 1: where I'm having worked there. It gets later in the year,
34:29
Speaker 1: not an easy place to throw the football. Baldi Chicago, Minnesota,
34:33
Speaker 1: Chicago another comeback win mentioned earlier. That's five for Caleb
34:37
Speaker 1: now to match Goo nixt nineteen seventeen. They get out
34:40
Speaker 1: of Minnesota with a big win.
34:42
Speaker 2: Well they did, and I haven't I haven't really studied
34:44
Speaker 2: it yet, but I just know that Caleb, you know,
34:47
Speaker 2: did not turn the ball over again and just watching
34:50
Speaker 2: him over the last few weeks of this wind streak
34:51
Speaker 2: that they're on, Like he's definitely thrown the ball on
34:55
Speaker 2: timing much better than at any point last year. But
34:58
Speaker 2: his athletic ability continues to show up. Like they're running
35:02
Speaker 2: the ball really well, but he's a big part of
35:05
Speaker 2: the runs, whether it's third down scrambles or designed a
35:07
Speaker 2: couple of design runs, Like he's so talented to be
35:11
Speaker 2: able to stay on his feet, he is a hard
35:13
Speaker 2: guy to get to the ground. And I think the
35:16
Speaker 2: line is really coming on and the way that they
35:19
Speaker 2: use their tight ends, the way that they're setting up
35:22
Speaker 2: their blocks right now. You know, DeAndre got back into
35:25
Speaker 2: the fold and Manongay has been really really good for him,
35:29
Speaker 2: and then Cale, Like they've got three guys that really
35:32
Speaker 2: kind of spearhead the run game. I think that's where
35:34
Speaker 2: it starts with Ben Johnson. It did when he was
35:36
Speaker 2: in Detroit, and you could see the creativity is there
35:41
Speaker 2: in the offense, but at the same time, the basics
35:44
Speaker 2: of what they want to do and how they want
35:46
Speaker 2: to control the line of scrimmage is very real. And
35:49
Speaker 2: then just defensively, like Kevin Byern has always taken the
35:53
Speaker 2: ball away in this business. Like he's got thirty I
35:56
Speaker 2: think thirty five or thirty six career interceptions. He did
35:59
Speaker 2: the same thing Middle Tennessee State. But I thought I
36:02
Speaker 2: thought he was on his way out of the league.
36:04
Speaker 2: He was bounced around a couple of teams. He was
36:06
Speaker 2: in Philly, wasn't very good. Like he's gotten to Chicago
36:09
Speaker 2: and he's got himself a home there right now, and
36:11
Speaker 2: he's making a difference on the back end of that defense.
36:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:16
Speaker 4: You know what's what's interesting because you talked about Chicago
36:18
Speaker 4: so much of our time we spent on Ben Johnson,
36:20
Speaker 4: But Dennis Alla's done a really good job of cleaning
36:23
Speaker 4: up some of the issues that they've had defensively. I
36:25
Speaker 4: wasn't talking about Buyer and those guys to keeping the
36:27
Speaker 4: ball in front and not letting the beat deep ball
36:29
Speaker 4: go over the top of the defense, not letting it
36:31
Speaker 4: go outside. And when you take that and you take
36:35
Speaker 4: what Ben Johnson is doing offensively.
36:37
Speaker 3: Exotic smash box is what I want to call it.
36:40
Speaker 4: They want to do the bills and whistlesdn't have all
36:41
Speaker 4: the bizazs, but at the end of the day, they
36:43
Speaker 4: want to be a physical team, and so they're beginning
36:45
Speaker 4: to believe that that formula, that recipe that works for everybody.
36:49
Speaker 3: Run at play, good defense.
36:51
Speaker 4: Score, when you can kick field goals, do all those things,
36:53
Speaker 4: you can win a lot of games. And as this
36:55
Speaker 4: team gains more confidence in their leader.
36:59
Speaker 3: May be a very very day just seemed in the stretch.
37:01
Speaker 2: And I think any like, I think I think Chicago
37:04
Speaker 2: lead the league in takeaways.
37:05
Speaker 5: I think they're at twenty two right now.
37:07
Speaker 2: Yes, and you think the ball away twenty two times
37:09
Speaker 2: in ten games whatever it is right now, Like.
37:12
Speaker 5: That's a pretty that's a pretty good pace.
37:14
Speaker 2: You're winning the turnover battle most weeks if you're you're
37:17
Speaker 2: at twenty two takeaways.
37:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think when you look at the interception leaders,
37:21
Speaker 1: they got like three of the top four something like
37:23
Speaker 1: that in the league. In terms of the picks offensively,
37:27
Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to look at here
37:28
Speaker 1: because I'm just curious. I don't know that there's a
37:30
Speaker 1: better you know, one two punch at tight end than
37:33
Speaker 1: they have right now with Comet and Lovelin, And I
37:35
Speaker 1: just want to see usage wise, like how they're how
37:37
Speaker 1: they differentiate from each other, and really Comets just like
37:40
Speaker 1: been the safety valve. He's just going to be there
37:42
Speaker 1: waiting for Caleb and the flat you want an easy completion,
37:45
Speaker 1: He's there for you. He's going to be where he
37:46
Speaker 1: needs to be. He gives you a nice, big target,
37:48
Speaker 1: presents himself well, and then Lovelin gives you a little
37:51
Speaker 1: more sizzle, a little more pop to be able to
37:53
Speaker 1: get down the field, get down the seams. And the
37:56
Speaker 1: other thing is and this is not just with him,
37:58
Speaker 1: and I know I believe that they worked on this.
38:00
Speaker 1: I heard that they'd worked on this in the bye
38:03
Speaker 1: and it's shown up the last couple of weeks. They're
38:05
Speaker 1: getting better in the scrambled drill. And if you haven't
38:07
Speaker 1: played with a quarterback who can stay alive as long
38:09
Speaker 1: as Caleb has, you're not going to understand. You know
38:12
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of that. That's not an easy thing. Bucky,
38:14
Speaker 1: You've played the position, so I know you can speak
38:17
Speaker 1: to this. But being able to stay alive, being able
38:20
Speaker 1: to give him something when he's creating time. Loveland's a real,
38:23
Speaker 1: real athletic and he's able to on those broken plays separate,
38:27
Speaker 1: get where he needs to be, present himself well and
38:30
Speaker 1: gives him some give them some big plays but I
38:32
Speaker 1: love that one two punch, and I think this team
38:34
Speaker 1: is figuring out how to play with Caleb week by week.
38:36
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, here's the thing.
38:38
Speaker 4: When I was going all the way back to Green Bay,
38:40
Speaker 4: when braand Flau was in the middle of his three
38:42
Speaker 4: MVP run, we would have scrambled drill periods where everything
38:47
Speaker 4: was intentional. He's going to scramble and you would give
38:50
Speaker 4: the wide receivers rules. If you're coming across the field,
38:53
Speaker 4: you work across to get into a sideline. If you're
38:56
Speaker 4: doing something coming back to the quarterback, you automatically turn up.
38:59
Speaker 4: And every week, once or twice a week, you've worked
39:04
Speaker 4: on those things.
39:04
Speaker 3: So it's not by design. It's an organized chaos.
39:08
Speaker 4: That least, when you think about the big plays that
39:10
Speaker 4: show up, those sick and reaction plays, the defender just.
39:14
Speaker 1: Gets lost in the sauce what he's been doing since
39:17
Speaker 1: Maomes came into the league.
39:18
Speaker 4: If you coordinated in the scrambled drew, you talk about
39:21
Speaker 4: the explosive plays that you can generate.
39:23
Speaker 3: You're beginning to see that with.
39:24
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears, Baldy, we had another move the sticks bowl.
39:29
Speaker 1: I mean, Bucky has been kicking my tail. I mean
39:31
Speaker 1: app State beating North Carolina once. Chargers I think maybe
39:36
Speaker 1: have gotten Jacksonville once. I don't know, they have to
39:38
Speaker 1: go back and look at it.
39:39
Speaker 3: No, I think that, Yeah, the Jags are undefeated against
39:42
Speaker 3: somehow Yeah so.
39:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the jack So he's only with the Jags
39:45
Speaker 1: Chargers thing with our little side gigs and Carolina has
39:49
Speaker 1: been kicking our tail. I mean, and this one was
39:51
Speaker 1: a beat down thirty five or six.
39:52
Speaker 3: Man.
39:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they've had they've They've they've been the spoiler
39:59
Speaker 2: a couple of times, you know, over the last decade.
40:01
Speaker 2: I guess you got to still celebrate those big wins
40:04
Speaker 2: that they've had.
40:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, Buck, I mean this was forty seven runs for
40:09
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two yards. Herbert, you know, threw
40:12
Speaker 1: for eighty one yards on a pick. I'll talk on
40:14
Speaker 1: the Chargers to that side real real quick, and I'll
40:16
Speaker 1: get to the Jag side. But you know, charger wise,
40:19
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure them out. They're going to
40:20
Speaker 1: the by. They looked a little tired, they looked a
40:22
Speaker 1: little the fargic. And I'm not making any excuses for him,
40:25
Speaker 1: but just I watched that tape right after I watched
40:27
Speaker 1: the Philly tape and you watched the Philly Biggs and
40:29
Speaker 1: how they were chasing and running. Now, the time of
40:32
Speaker 1: possession was hugely in their favor for the jag So
40:34
Speaker 1: I think that that group got a little bit tired
40:36
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. But they were matching with two bigs
40:40
Speaker 1: to a team that really wanted to run the ball.
40:41
Speaker 1: So you got two bigs and two stand up edge guys.
40:44
Speaker 1: At one of the Bigs at times was a boy
40:45
Speaker 1: b who's not the biggest guy in the world. They
40:48
Speaker 1: I just didn't think they had enough beef out there
40:49
Speaker 1: and got kind of pushed around and moved around a
40:51
Speaker 1: little bit, and then some misalignment stuff against some three
40:53
Speaker 1: tight ends and they I mean, look, Liam Cohen got
40:57
Speaker 1: them last year with Tampa and then ran the ball
40:58
Speaker 1: down their throats and did it again this time with Jacksonville.
41:01
Speaker 1: So you know that was that side of the ball
41:03
Speaker 1: and the other side of the ball. Offensively, two of
41:05
Speaker 1: the first three pass attempts, Herbert just smokes smokes quick
41:08
Speaker 1: screens out to wide receivers like they did against Pittsburgh
41:11
Speaker 1: the week before and never went back to it. So
41:14
Speaker 1: you're either as the Chargers, you're going to force the
41:17
Speaker 1: opposing corners to tackle your receivers quickly in space, or
41:21
Speaker 1: you're going to try and play from the pocket and
41:23
Speaker 1: you're going to ask your offensive tackles who are not
41:25
Speaker 1: your starters to block edge rushers like that's their options.
41:29
Speaker 1: And I don't know that that was the right choice
41:31
Speaker 1: in that game.
41:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was interesting in this game, DJ coming
41:35
Speaker 4: on the heels of this, and I.
41:36
Speaker 3: Got to give you reference.
41:38
Speaker 4: So when the Jags blow to lead twenty nine to
41:40
Speaker 4: ten last week against the Houston Texans, Liam Cohen in
41:44
Speaker 4: the staff they go into the locker room and they talked.
41:46
Speaker 3: About, hey man, we got to own this. You have
41:48
Speaker 3: to own it. There's no running from it. You have
41:51
Speaker 3: to own it.
41:51
Speaker 4: You got to figure out how to learn the lesson
41:55
Speaker 4: to apply it. And I feel like for every coach
41:57
Speaker 4: there's always a crossroads where you have to make a
42:00
Speaker 4: decision on whether you're going to double down to your philosophy.
42:03
Speaker 3: Or you're gonna change.
42:05
Speaker 4: And this was the game that was a crossroads game
42:07
Speaker 4: where Liam Cohen had talked about being a physical football team,
42:11
Speaker 4: a running football team in those things and against the
42:14
Speaker 4: bullies that the charges can be when they're locked in
42:18
Speaker 4: he doubled down, and the team responded, Now, will this
42:21
Speaker 4: be a thing that launches him the rest of the way.
42:24
Speaker 3: We'll see.
42:25
Speaker 4: But to me, when I asked him about it after
42:27
Speaker 4: the game, he was like, at the end of the day,
42:30
Speaker 4: you always got to go back to.
42:31
Speaker 1: Who you are in these difficult moments.
42:33
Speaker 4: And that's what they leaned into. And so the big
42:35
Speaker 4: says to running the game, the running game, the way
42:38
Speaker 4: they play defense, all of it simplified it and just say, hey,
42:40
Speaker 4: we're going to see if we can just outsmash a
42:43
Speaker 4: team that loves the smash and they way to be
42:45
Speaker 4: successful on Sunday, Well.
42:47
Speaker 1: They did it. I mean, Harbaugh set after the game
42:49
Speaker 1: and beat us up, physically, beat us up every where
42:51
Speaker 1: you can bet beat a team up. Now, they got
42:53
Speaker 1: the bye weekend and they've got the Raiders before the
42:55
Speaker 1: Eagles come into town, so they got a chance to
42:57
Speaker 1: get rested up. I think of Marion Hampton, there's a
42:59
Speaker 1: decent shot he's back, which will help that run team
43:02
Speaker 1: a little bit. All right, hey, Baldy, you're the best brother.
43:04
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Man. We'll see you next week.
43:06
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, you bet.
43:09
Speaker 3: There you go.
43:10
Speaker 1: Buck great to have Baldi with us on here each
43:12
Speaker 1: and every week. I don't know what happened in the
43:15
Speaker 1: rookie draft. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Ga step
43:18
Speaker 1: in for me. I'm hoping he had a great draft.
43:20
Speaker 1: We're gonna figure out how I did. I'm gonna claim
43:23
Speaker 1: the victory if if we won, I'm gonna claim it
43:25
Speaker 1: even though Gavin made the picks. And if we don't,
43:27
Speaker 1: you know, hey, Gavin might he should lose that job.
43:30
Speaker 1: He could definitely do that job as the assistant GM,
43:34
Speaker 1: as the assistant rookie GM. But I'm gonna wait and
43:36
Speaker 1: see how he did first.
43:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully hopefully turns up better.
43:39
Speaker 4: We can shut out Rick because right now he's having
43:41
Speaker 4: so success rookie draft.
43:44
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I heard it RHTT on the call Big
43:48
Speaker 1: ten Network. He had usc Iowa top twenty five game
43:50
Speaker 1: doing the play by play last week.
43:52
Speaker 3: How about that?
43:53
Speaker 1: Are thettle Rets all grown up?
43:54
Speaker 3: All growing up? PBu no more?
43:57
Speaker 1: Gavin said, I need a big one from JENTI see
44:00
Speaker 1: what happens, all right, that's gonna go for it. So
44:02
Speaker 1: they appreciate you, guys. I see you next time right
44:04
Speaker 1: here on. Move the sticks, ye
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Speaker 3: H