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IFH 830: How Two Filmmakers Captured the Ultimate Rocky Fan Story with Jim Toscano & Danny Gianino · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 4: On this week's episode of the podcast, I have two
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  Speaker 4: Detroit filmmakers. They're both documentary filmmakers. He did the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the the Small Business Big Business thing, and now they're
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  Speaker 4: here with a documentary called The Pretender. And we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: be talking about the film that we're gonna be Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: two filmmakers are that that came on to discuss called
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  Speaker 4: The Pretender. It's a movie about a person named Mike Kunda,
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  Speaker 4: who has an obsession with Rocky and he's a number
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  Speaker 4: one Rocky fan, and it's kind of like, where does
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  Speaker 4: Mike end and Rocky begin? Or maybe that's vice versa.
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  Speaker 4: It's a documentary that I've heard great things about and
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  Speaker 4: I'm really really glad we could have them on. So
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  Speaker 4: without further ado, with guests Jim Toscano and Danny Jinny.
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  Speaker 5: Now, well, Danny and I are in Detroit here, and
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  Speaker 5: we started because we're in Detroit working on a lot
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  Speaker 5: of automotive related projects for social media, television, you know, commercials,
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  Speaker 5: that sort of thing. And this was our first, uh
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  Speaker 5: and biggest passion project.
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  Speaker 6: Was working on the Pretender.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, being Detroit, is there like a pretty
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  Speaker 4: big film market or industry in there for for you know,
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  Speaker 4: independent films.
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  Speaker 6: Not really.
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  Speaker 5: I think that there's a big production community based on
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  Speaker 5: the automotive manufacturer.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a lot of automotive.
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  Speaker 5: Work and that's that's where most of the industry is.
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  Speaker 5: But I think, you know, people have passionate projects, a
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  Speaker 5: lot of them are usually about Detroit almost. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 5: ours was kind of a I felt like we were
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  Speaker 5: a little bit alone working on a movie that's a documentary.
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  Speaker 6: That's based in Philly. So yeah, there's not a huge
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  Speaker 6: documentary community here.
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  Speaker 4: So it's interesting because a couple of years ago I
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  Speaker 4: actually met a she was a former FBI agent and
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  Speaker 4: she actually came to Philly to do this like seminar
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  Speaker 4: about you know, how to do real effects and movies
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. And she was actually from Detroit and she
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  Speaker 4: was mentioning how she was trying to get the film
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  Speaker 4: tax credits either up or back into the city itself
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  Speaker 4: so more people would film there because she said there
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  Speaker 4: were so many cool locations that you could film at,
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  Speaker 4: but most of what didn't know about them, you know,
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  Speaker 4: outside of Detroit.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, about five years ago, i'd say, there was a
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  Speaker 7: great attack insteadive here for filming and they cut it
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  Speaker 7: a few years ago and since then, pretty much all
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  Speaker 7: the productions and left the state really, which is unfortunate
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  Speaker 7: because there was a pretty good community that was forming
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  Speaker 7: and a lot of people were getting like on the
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  Speaker 7: job training basically. So it was kind of a cool
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  Speaker 7: opportunity while it was here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's kind of what happened here in Philly.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there is a tax credit in Pennsylvania, but
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  Speaker 4: it all goes towards Pittsburgh just because it's cheaper to
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  Speaker 4: actually the union, the union fees and the taxes are
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  Speaker 4: troaper in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, Well, Rocky still makes its way to Philly, though,
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 4: I think they it's because I think if they made
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  Speaker 4: a Rocky movie and it wasn't a Philly I think
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  Speaker 4: Sylvester Solo would know it would it would just be
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  Speaker 4: so disingenuous and so and so you know cold, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I could almost there'd probably riots at the steps over
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  Speaker 5: there in Philly.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the cities we've been rebuilt after the Super Bowl win,
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  Speaker 4: so so you know, now is starting to get back
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  Speaker 4: up on its feet.
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  Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, that's funny.
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  Speaker 4: Good. But you know, just making your films and in Detroit,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned that it's a lot about the
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  Speaker 4: automotive industry, So is it is it like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of in your experience, there's a lot of like stuff
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  Speaker 4: about you know, filming it for like Ford and and
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  Speaker 4: some of the bigger automotive plants is sort of like that,
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  Speaker 4: like a documentary about the history of companies like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's been like, you know, we did a lot
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  Speaker 5: of work for GM and you know, some Ford and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of Chrysler work, and you know there is
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  Speaker 5: like documentary style videos or projects that we've done for them,
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  Speaker 5: and uh, you know, it really lounged the gamut, but
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  Speaker 5: it all seems to come back to.
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  Speaker 6: Automotive here, uh for the most part. But and we
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  Speaker 6: also did a documentary.
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  Speaker 5: For Detroit Public televanion like the local PBS station about
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  Speaker 5: Detroit architecture and.
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  Speaker 6: Some of the architects that came up here in Detroit.
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  Speaker 6: That was the next project to do.
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  Speaker 4: So so you know that that's pretty cool. So you
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  Speaker 4: know when when you sort of you know, actually making
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  Speaker 4: these documentary films, you know, did is that something you
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  Speaker 4: wanted to cover, like you wanted to actually make like
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  Speaker 4: just cover your town? Is it because you know, is
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  Speaker 4: it because you had like you know connections or at
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  Speaker 4: the right at the right time, at the right place,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like you kind of knew
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  Speaker 4: somebody or and you could you know, hey I could
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  Speaker 4: shoot here, you know, or did you kind of like
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  Speaker 4: you know, have an idea and kind of going that way.
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  Speaker 7: For the architecture doc Actually we do some buddy at EBAT.
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  Speaker 6: They were looking for.
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  Speaker 7: A company to take it on, and she approached us
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  Speaker 7: and we just kind of took.
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  Speaker 5: It at kind of something that we could do to.
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  Speaker 6: Keep ourselves making films.
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  Speaker 7: You know, and it was a totally new subject matter
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  Speaker 7: which was kind of cult even that we learned a
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  Speaker 7: lot and it was good experience.
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  Speaker 4: So when so when you started actually starting out, you know,
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  Speaker 4: making all this, you know, when was the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the kind of like the light bulb that went off
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  Speaker 4: that this is something you wanted to start pursue even more.
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  Speaker 6: I think I think working on The Pretender is what really.
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  Speaker 5: Got us, got us.
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  Speaker 6: Going, got us motivated to do more of it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's hurt in the subject matter, and and
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  Speaker 5: we found ourselves like pouring our heart out into the
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  Speaker 5: shoots and mostly yet it I mean, you know that
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  Speaker 5: was it was cool to.
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  Speaker 6: Really have it. You know, it sounds like such a light.
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  Speaker 5: Premise, you know, like a guy that acts like Rocky
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  Speaker 5: and as a super fan, but dealing with someone's personal
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  Speaker 5: life and having their story in our hands was like
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  Speaker 5: really made us like think about every single edit and
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  Speaker 5: you know, every just and how people perceived it.
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  Speaker 6: And and because it.
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  Speaker 5: Was the longest piece that we worked on, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's an hour long, just to keep the energy of
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  Speaker 5: it up and the interest for the viewers in it.
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  Speaker 5: There was just a lot that we learned and loved
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  Speaker 5: about making The Pretender that really got us hooked and
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  Speaker 5: got us hungry racially. Did the Pretender first, got it done,
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  Speaker 5: and as soon as it was kind of we started
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  Speaker 5: the architecture doc So it was it was great we
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  Speaker 5: robbed that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think another thing that was cool about it
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  Speaker 7: was it it provided like a break from the corporate
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  Speaker 7: industry stuff that we were working on, and it was
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  Speaker 7: really refreshing to not have any constraints that you know,
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  Speaker 7: we were basically like creating everything ourselves and you know,
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  Speaker 7: we were an answering to a client and we were
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  Speaker 7: just trying to make like the best thing we could,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and that was really I think that kept
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  Speaker 7: us going. Like it helped not not only like become
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  Speaker 7: better filmmakers, but become better in the industry that we're in.
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  Speaker 4: So when you say, you know corporate you know documentaries
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  Speaker 4: or corporate videos, you know, did you work work for
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  Speaker 4: like a single corporation or you like, you know kind
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  Speaker 4: of go to different corporations and they would kind of
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  Speaker 4: tell you you know, what you wanted or I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: what they wanted, and then you would kind of make
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  Speaker 4: something off of that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's exactly pretty much the process.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they'll I'll have a concept that they'll present
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  Speaker 5: to us, and we kind of put our our spin
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  Speaker 5: on it or our point of view.
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  Speaker 8: Into it, and uh, you know, kind of give them
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  Speaker 8: back our treatment of it, and and then we kind
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  Speaker 8: of you know, collaborate with the well basically the advertising
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  Speaker 8: agencies and the auto manufacturers to kind of collaborate and
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  Speaker 8: come up with something that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we like and we're proud of the agency
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  Speaker 5: likes and you know the client also likes so and
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  Speaker 5: we have to make sure it's all legal.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone were in their seat belt.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes when you put your heart out into like
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  Speaker 7: this video and maybe it kind of goes in you
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  Speaker 7: finally get goes into like an emotional direction or something
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  Speaker 7: like that, and then you could show it to the
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  Speaker 7: prime and they can just be like, well, actually I think.
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  Speaker 6: We should just got this. It happened go to the logo,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 7: So that's like working on the pretender was we'll go
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  Speaker 7: out of fun because we really got to.
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  Speaker 6: Expressors.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know there was That's also like part
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  Speaker 5: of the the weird part of it, Like I've said
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  Speaker 5: this before, is like, you know, we're used to working
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  Speaker 5: on projects when someone requested it and hired us, but.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes do it hit us in the middle of this editing.
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  Speaker 5: The pretender like no one asked for this?
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  Speaker 6: How do we know anyone want that?
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  Speaker 5: No one were working on this, so it was like
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  Speaker 5: freeing but also sort of weird, you know, like what
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  Speaker 5: are we doing here? I mean, because you spent a
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  Speaker 5: lot of time on a lot of ages in the
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  Speaker 5: edit suite, so it was kind of uh scary sometimes
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  Speaker 5: because because no one asks for it.
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  Speaker 6: So and at the beginning we didn't even really know
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  Speaker 6: we had anything. Yeah you know, so but no we do.
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  Speaker 4: We you know, as we talk about, you know, corporate videos.
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  Speaker 4: I've had a couple of guests on who used to
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  Speaker 4: do that for a living as well, some still do,
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  Speaker 4: some kind of dropped out of it, and I just
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get your take on it. You know, do
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  Speaker 4: you ever go into a a meeting with a client
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  Speaker 4: and they would say something like, well, why would I
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  Speaker 4: hire you when I could get my kid to do
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  Speaker 4: it with his iPhone. Have you experienced that?
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  Speaker 6: No? Not really, I mean no we have.
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  Speaker 5: I mean because I think we offer like a level
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  Speaker 5: of quality and creativity that that we're not really on that.
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  Speaker 6: Luckily, it hasn't happened I yet. And I get the VID.
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  Speaker 7: Like maybe really like a small business might have that
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  Speaker 7: view where a lot of like the auto manufacturers, you
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  Speaker 7: don't have the ad agencies that are constantly working with
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  Speaker 7: video companies, and so there's you know, we're not like
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  Speaker 7: just one video for like a you know, like the
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  Speaker 7: playing card shop down the street or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You know what.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, I was going.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think like I don't.
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  Speaker 6: Luckily know, it doesn't really come up.
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  Speaker 5: I think like like I said, I think there's like
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  Speaker 5: a level of quality and professionalism and and you know,
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  Speaker 5: like with a lot of our clients, you need you
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  Speaker 5: need experience working with those clients because they are a
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  Speaker 5: big client and there's different ways to communicate with them,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't Luckily, in our industry it's not still
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  Speaker 5: not that you still need uh production support and uh
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  Speaker 5: and uh a touch of quality.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean whenever somebody brings that up, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Like for instance, I have a friend who runs a
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  Speaker 4: social media agency and you know, he goes in there
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  Speaker 4: and some people would say to him like, hey, I
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  Speaker 4: could have my kid do this, and he would say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and rightfully, so he would say, we are kids,
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  Speaker 4: not selling business to customer or business to business. He's
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  Speaker 4: your your kid's going in there and you know, taking
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  Speaker 4: photos of of himself shirtless in the mirror, you know,
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  Speaker 4: or something. He's not trying to to do any you know,
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  Speaker 4: sell your company. So it's kind of like, you know
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  Speaker 4: the same thing where well, I've had people say that
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  Speaker 4: to me, you know where I used to dabble in
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  Speaker 4: this and I had somebody come up to me before
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  Speaker 4: and say, well, you know, I could just get my
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  Speaker 4: kid to do this, and it happened, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, best of a lot to you, and I
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  Speaker 4: gave him. I still gave him some pointers to give
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  Speaker 4: to his son. Well, the kid actually ended up calling
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  Speaker 4: me up and asking me for help, and he was
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  Speaker 4: like listen, he goes, I've done this and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: It's just we're going I mean, just running the gamut
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  Speaker 4: of the edit. And he talked about some of the
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  Speaker 4: shots that he did and some of the you know,
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  Speaker 4: some of the stuff he took wasn't the audio was terrible,
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  Speaker 4: or some of the stuff he took he didn't you know,
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  Speaker 4: he took out his phone and he just used auto
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  Speaker 4: iris and auto focus and so, you know, yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: and and so what happened was he tried to you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being in you know, and and Danny, you know,
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  Speaker 4: being an editor. You know that old phrase you have
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  Speaker 4: to polish a turd. So he was trying to polish
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  Speaker 4: this turd, and he was trying to figure out how
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  Speaker 4: to do all this. So he called me and I said, listen,
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  Speaker 4: I said, here's what you do. Tell your dad just
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  Speaker 4: to cut me a check and we'll reshoot this whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so that was the uh. And it was
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  Speaker 4: we actually did end up reshooting the whole thing, and
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  Speaker 4: it was it was still like, not the whole thing,
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  Speaker 4: with the whole subject matter. I still he told me
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  Speaker 4: it was about one thing, and it was really about another.
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  Speaker 4: But that's why I kind of see, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: thankful that you guys haven't seen that yet or experienced that, because,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, it's just it's so you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: so redundant to have to keep going over you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, well, your kid doesn't do this,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Your kid doesn't have a
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  Speaker 4: pro level praade whatever, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, there's so many variables and unknown that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot that comes with experience. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: just it's it's a nice thing for them to say
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  Speaker 5: that it's not realistic.
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  Speaker 6: It's not that easy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and especially when they don't realize because you know,
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  Speaker 4: all amateurs forget about the end of the audio. That's
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  Speaker 4: always the end point.
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  Speaker 5: Of all this, yeah, exact.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 4: So you know we talked about you know, you mentioned
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  Speaker 4: before about the Pretender. I wanted to get into that.
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  Speaker 4: You know how too, How did you guys end up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, getting involved with the project.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I met I met just my chance on the
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  Speaker 5: set of Rocky Balboa, which is what Rocky six, right,
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  Speaker 5: So I met Mike there.
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  Speaker 6: I never knew anything about him.
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  Speaker 5: I met him there and everyone was just kind of
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  Speaker 5: gravitating towards him because he looked a little bit like Fly,
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  Speaker 5: he sounded a little bit like Sly and I just
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  Speaker 5: it was one of those people that kind of gravitated
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  Speaker 5: towards him, hung out of work couple hours. And then
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  Speaker 5: the funny thing was, you know, I was in town
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  Speaker 5: in Philly for the week, and he was on the
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  Speaker 5: local news like every night, you know where they did
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  Speaker 5: those like local you know Stollones back in in uh Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 5: film in Rocky and no One's happier than a local
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  Speaker 5: Mike Kunda, And this happened every night, and he was
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  Speaker 5: like etched in my brain.
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  Speaker 6: So I kind of just kept up with him for
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  Speaker 6: a couple of.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Years online, and then he wrote a book about his
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: about his life called Cue.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: The Rocky Music. And I always thought about doing a
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: like a little maybe five minute video about him.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: And when the book finally came, I said, well, you
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna go ahead and do this before
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: someone else does, because I thought it was just a
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: cool story. And uh, once I got out there interviewed
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: him and his parents, I realized, you know that this
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: this needed to be more than just a five minute video,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: like this was a kind of a deep and rich
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: story and and a fun story. And you know, honestly,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: I was I was a little skeptical, you know, like
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: about Mike's level of like Bando heard all these stories
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: and you know about like, oh, I've liked this so
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: ten years old, and and it was kind of hard
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: to believe. But once we saw Mike and his house
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: and there was proof everywhere all that, and you'll see
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: it in the film that he really was this this
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: committed to Rocky and sort of becoming Rocky, and uh,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: it was just it was a really really impressive and
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: it just kind of snowballed after meeting his parents, really,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: especially his father.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: So you're rosealm a set of Rocky Balboa, So you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I assume that that Mike was probably an extra. So
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: uh so were you working on crew at that point,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Jim No.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I was in a totally different I was working in
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: advertising and really hadn't hadn't shot anything yet. I was
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: just still sort of dreaming about, you know, shooting documentaries
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: and stuff. And Mike was not an extra either. He
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: was just standing there with a giant painting that he painted,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: and it was just been super fan there trying to
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: get a glimpse of stallone. And I actually had the
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: weekend off from my job in Philly and it was
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: just hanging out and just by chance ran into him
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: and kind of never forgot about him.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: It was totally random that I met him.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I've seen photos of Mike. He's somebody you
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: wouldn't forget because he does look like he does look
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: like Rocky from Rocky One.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, totally totally.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, the security guards were like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: I thought he was so cool because he sounded like fly.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: They were getting a kick out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Of him, and they would give him tips like you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: stand right here, Slies coming in an hour, don't move,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: you know. So I hung out with him because he
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: started to get like the inside scoop on it all.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny how if you look and talk
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: a certain way some people some people bribemates. But he's
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: even the Slies kid.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they started to treat him like that. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, while we were filming, and especially
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: while we're doing the film festivals and going out with Mike.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, he comes to Detroit. We were in Jersey
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: City last last two weeks ago.
• 19:55
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• 20:01
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• 20:04
  Speaker 5: And like, uh, the hotel worker Toddy was like, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: they're not sure is the sly?
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: What the hell is this guy?
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: And the guy said, like, you know, one guy didn't
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: know anything, and he said, man, did anyone ever.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Tell you like Stalon? And you know, he laughed and everything.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: And one guy, you know, I was shutting him up
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: and I did say like, yeah, I'm doing this.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I did this documentary.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: And there's one first he is gonna be here and
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: he saw Mike and he said, man, you know, Jim said,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: you look like Sli.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: This is unbelievable. Man.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: And you know Mike signs autographs and stuff because he
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: looks so much like him.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he really does. And you know that's why I
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: think this documentary and I'm I'm hoping to check it
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: out at first glance. Well, when when this podcast airs,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be this weekend, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: refer to this weekend in Philly. But but yeah, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: it's it's such an interesting, you know, uh a topic
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: because you know, because it's from obviously, but it's also
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: incredibly cool how like a movie can touch someone's life.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: So so when when when Jim, when you got there
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and he started you know, checking it, you know just
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: you know, uh, meeting Mike and meeting his family and
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: you know, you started like talking about making this documentary.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: What was Mike's response to this?
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: He was very enthusiastic about it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: I don't Yeah, he's very enthusiastic about it and very hopeful,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Like he was almost like a beat producer on this thing,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: because he kind of you know, there were things that
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: he wanted to cover, and he knew that we wanted
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: to cover, you know, if he kept us really up
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: to date on like, hey, I got a gig coming up,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: you know, as a person that he might want to
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: check this out. And uh, there's a scene in the
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: movie where he send a package to Semester stallone and
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: he waited to do that until you know, we were
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: able to come down and meet up with him.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: So he was very like keen on that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think it. Danny can speak
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to this to you, I'd be cool to hear Danny says.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: But I don't think it turned out the way he
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: expected it would. But I know he likes it, but
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I don't think it was what he thought it was
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: gonna be. Like, what do you what are you saying?
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think Mike he almost was play host a
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: little bit when we were filling him, and so we
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: would kind of separate that stuff out from when we
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: were getting like, you know, natural might or like.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: TV host might.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: You know. So there was one thing in the edit
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: that we kind of made a rule and we're like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: anytime we get a hint of this side.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: That he's playing it up a little bit for camp.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: But you know, we didn't include it because it just
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: did he wasn't honest, you know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but by the way, Danny I liked that expression
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: TV host Mike.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: It was It's true. Yeah, it's true because uh, you
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: know he says that, you know, I know, and when
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: we interviewed him up and you know, the Rocky character
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: when he kind of slips into it gives them competence.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: He said that, and so we tried to include those
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: rare moments when there was less Rocky and more Mike,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, because uh, I mean, the camera's on you. Like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: I don't blame him. Everyone acts a little different when
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: you're like a Rockie super fan or personator, you.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: Really but he's really good with people and he's really
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: getting on camera, you know.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: So it was. It was helpful in a way.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: And then in some ways it maybe went a little
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: bit too far or you have to peel back the
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: layers a little bit and.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: You know, see what's really going on.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so true. When the camera does get on,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: you kind of change everyone. And it happens to everybody.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, look at uh I guess, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: guess like some of those reality TV shows. Although that's
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: probably a bad example on my part, but you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's kind of like, you know, uh,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: it's funny. I used to have a friend who did
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: reality TV and he said, he goes, they they don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: even like they're not abashed anymore. He's like, they just
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: look for the biggest train wrecks they could find. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: he's like, they throw them into a room together and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: if there's no powder keg itself, He's like, then they'll
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: start you know, feeding them drama or lines or something.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Right, But you know what I mean.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: But but but you know, he's always they're always hoping
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: for just you know, getting in people who have you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a chip on their shoulder, or they get a little
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: drinking them and almost you know what I mean. But
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: but see it's so true that people do do act differently.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But again I don't I don't know if that's the
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: best the best example.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well we were talking about it too, like
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: you know this really is and you know, we were
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: able to really peel it away and get get some
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: really natural moments, you know in this film and like
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: lyric talking like.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Would be what the Lady Gaga documentaried recently, and.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Like I don't and I won't seem like you can't
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: make a real documentary about amous person anymore, you know
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: that guarded you know, like they put on like a
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know where we did with Mike, and I
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: would love to see like like I think.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Our Green project would beat a like do what alone.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: As wrong as this?
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Or you know, just somebody but really like kay, yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I mean like everybody's.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Acting to some degree, and then when you're trying to
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: be you know something about somebody who's jobbed is your
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: professional actors? Like how do you get that?
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: How do you? Yeah? It was fun. It was a
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: fun challenge shooting at it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: By the way, you know, speaking of the Lady Gaga documentary,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I actually had on uh one of the co co directors.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I think she was on the podcast. Oh really yeah, yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: it was actually oh no, I was gonna say it
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: was actually a really cool interview, and she actually touched
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: on what you were saying because it got to the
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: point where Gaga actually didn't even know that they were
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: still filming. So she's filming one day, she had a
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: camera set up and everything. God came over and said,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: you know, we're rehearsing. You can't be here and she's like, no,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: gon I remember me. She's like, I'm filming the documentary
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: about you. And she goes, oh yeah you oh I
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: forgot Yeah, okay.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: Oh how funny? How funny? Yeah, that's that's that is interesting.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: I'd like to hear more about their process.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Have to go back and listen to that one.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll link to that in the show notes.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Everybody too, really really cool uh uh interview for the podcast. Again,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I've been very fortunate, Jim to have some really cool
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: people on here, and you know, just to you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: continue about you know, the pretender. You know, what were
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: some of the you know, biggest you know obstacles in filming,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: you know, like some of the you know, some of
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: those days where you get to set, uh or were
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: well in your case, you know, you go to film
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Mike and his daily life and something completely unexpected happens
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: that kind of you know, just throws everything in disarray.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: So you know, what were some of the biggest challenges
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: or obstacles you've you've faced were when when you were
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: making the film, Well, I.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Think, like like what you just said about how sometimes
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: you show up and you're throwing a curveball, that was
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the most fun, Like there's and you know those are
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: all like those moments are all in the film like whenever,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: like he's really surprised moments what happened That was the
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: most fun to shoot, and it was the most interesting
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: to like include. And you know, there's some moments in
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: the film where like some things happened that no one
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: saw coming, and they were very those moments were very
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: revealing about Mike and about the subject matter, and you
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: know how tough things can be add a lot of
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: drama when there was a curveball throne, I think I
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: think the hardest part, the most frustrating parts were like
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: what Danny said, when it felt more scripted and it
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: was almost like Mike was too prepared and it felt
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: a little scripted, and and that especially my first day
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: shooting him. We actually filmed Larry Holmes and Mike was Mike,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think we We were still trying to figure
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: out how this would go, like how we would shoot
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: this documentary, and and Mike kind of led that interview
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: and hosted it, and uh, it was it didn't even
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: make it into the film because it was it was
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: a little uh and unnatural. It was a little I
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: don't know, I would you say, what what was it
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: all like off topic?
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I think Mike maybe because he had.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: Kind of probably had like an agenda, like he wanted
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: to talk about or what we really it's about him. Yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: so he kind of flifted like that and have to
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: figure out a way to get it back on track,
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: you know, where it was really about Mike.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: He he would he would.
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: Be ready, right, and he'd be ready like questions for
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: homes and questions for you know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: So and and another thing that was we learned, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: that was Cook was talking two other people are interviewing
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: other people while Mike was around. That was kind of tough, Like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: you know, I felt it like they they didn't want
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: to praise them too much or they didn't want to
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: be too critical of him while he was there.
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: So that was one thing that we learned right away
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: to kind of you know, like all right, Mike, we're
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: gonna interview this person.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: You can kind of hang back, so that there was
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: a little learning curve there too.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: But uh, it was fun, man, I mean it was
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: it was fun.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Like anything that was besides that, like when it got
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: too scripty, that was a little tough, but any curve
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: balls or anything besides that was just awesome.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I mean it was just adrenaline.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: And even just going through all the footage, like the
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: amount of energy that Mike has it was like contagious,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: like like he had so much drive and passion for
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Rocky that you'd be editing and you'd get I get
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: sucked into just like watching him, you know, be so
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: excited about meeting Larry Holmes or doing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: This or doing that. So that that was a really cool.
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: and now back to the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: When you mentioned Larry Holmes appearing, I just then thought
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: he you know, Mike went to TV host Mike, like
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Danny said, and he just kind of opens the door
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: and goes, oh, Larry Holmes stopped by.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: What a shock. I didn't see you there, and welcome. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, Larry, you know you stop by suddenly.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't expect to see you.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: It's like, I know, yeah it was. It was my
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: first day, dude, so it was a little we're getting
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: to know each other and they was still like, I
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: don't know. It's like I said earlier, it was just
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: amazing that this was all real, that Mike was just
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: committed and passionate about this character.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: It was it was it was shocking, and it took.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: A minute to like absorb it all, you know, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: like yo u, there was a you know, he talked
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: about how he saw Rocky three the summer. It came
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: out like sixty something time and you're like, yeah, okay,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: that's exaggerated. But he had like the hasp the tally marks,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: you know, like in his house where every time he
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: saw it, she would knock off a teally mark, and there,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: you know, there was you know, proof he saw sixty
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: something timed. And there's many other examples like that where
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: they're in the film and like you can't deny the
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: level of passion that this guy had for him.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why I think this documentary, I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: it's it's not even just you know, is it you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: is it it's it's you know, it's you know, funny,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: it's but I also think it's you know, it's such
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: a great story about a guy who's so touched by
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: this character, you know what I mean. And I kind
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of get that from the trailer. Again, I haven't seen
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: it yet, but I kind of get that from the
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: trailer that this is, like, you know, a really good story,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean about just this guy growing
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: up in Philly who's very touched by a character who
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: you know, is also representing Philly.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, it's like, hey, it's it's a
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: it's a goofy premise. It could be considered a goofy premise, docky,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: but uh, Danny and I, uh and of course Mike, like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: we took it serious. We treated it very serious.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Number one, it's it's this guy's life, you know, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: it's his family and they're all involved in the and
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: it's it's his real life. And second of all, you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: it makes a better film to take it serious. You know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: with within this some culture or you know, you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: passion for Rocky or whatever. Nothing is you know, there's
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: jokes here, and there's funny moments, but everything is taken serious.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: It's it's gone.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Through a filter of you know, a real story and
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: hopefully uh you know, a heart felt story and uh.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: An honest story.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: So you know, and that was that was something that
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: we didn't really even have to discuss. We did say
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: it out loud, but it was something that was very
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: obvious that you know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Serious and serious, serious topic.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Was so crazy, but someone's life is a serious topic,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you're you're absolutely right, you know. It
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: kind of reminds me too of Uh, there's some of
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: the other documentaries you know that have come out in
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: recent years, like you know, what was it called Waiting
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: for Searching for Sugarman. I think that was it. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: don't know if you guys have saw that doc that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of you know, documentaries I've seen over
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: the past couple of years where you know, the the
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  Speaker 4: more you know, uh, the more interesting you know it is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you want to see you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what this doc's really about because there's always that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the two layers. There's a surface level what something's about,
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  Speaker 4: and there's what's really about. And then you you know,
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  Speaker 4: you start getting in there and you're realizing that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of this is you know, this is serious
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  Speaker 4: because it is you know, people's lives, people's well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: their comings and goings and and and you know, and
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  Speaker 4: in this case, you know, it was about you know,
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  Speaker 4: this guy just you know, living his life.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and Turkey for Sugarman. That was a
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  Speaker 6: detroy the shout and betrayed.
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  Speaker 4: See you look at that callback, look at that Okay,
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  Speaker 4: yeah exactly. But but you know, I'm gonna link to
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  Speaker 4: the trailer. Everybody in the show notes, and again you
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  Speaker 4: can see this at the First Glans Film Festival, which
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  Speaker 4: is coming up here in Philadelphia. Do you know what
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  Speaker 4: time it's playing off the top of your head, Jim,
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  Speaker 4: because I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sunday at two o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be linking to that. Everybody in the
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  Speaker 4: show notes, uh, And First Glans Film Festival is always
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  Speaker 4: a pretty good festival here in Philadelphia. It's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's always you know, does well. And I was saying
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  Speaker 4: to Jim and Danny. Before last year, I had on, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, three Phi Philadelphia filmmakers and now, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad to be able to keep you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a relationship with the festival and you know, being able
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  Speaker 4: to talk to to you know, awesome like you Danny
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  Speaker 4: and you Jim, and it's just really cool. It's really,
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  Speaker 4: you know, really cool being able to just to meet
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  Speaker 4: you know, different people out there actually doing stuff. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's that's the whole reason I started this
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  Speaker 4: podcast was you know, no, no real theory theoretical only
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  Speaker 4: like actual stuff, you know what I mean, like people
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  Speaker 4: actually out there doing it, getting their hands dirty, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean that's like that's what might think for us man
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  Speaker 5: like he went for his dreams and followed his passion
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  Speaker 5: and being cranked on just saying that nobody asked for
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  Speaker 5: and uh, we're a super cloud. Number one that thought
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  Speaker 5: at Finnis and I'm there and number two it's really good.
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  Speaker 4: And that you're just this sort of a you know,
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  Speaker 4: to sort of period period. At the end of this
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  Speaker 4: whole conversation, you know, Danny and Jim, do you have
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  Speaker 4: any sort of parting thoughts or anything you want to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: say to sort of put it period. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of this whole conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I'll bow and Yank can go, and I would just say,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like you know, this film is for you know,
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  Speaker 5: Rockey fans, and it's also for for non Rocky fans.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just uh hopefully a universal underdog story
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  Speaker 5: that everybody can relate to.
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  Speaker 11: And and the biggest thing, like I said, it might
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  Speaker 11: be a goofy premise, but I think and this and
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  Speaker 11: I hope that everyone has a chance to check it out.
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  Speaker 4: Danny's gonna put any.
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  Speaker 7: I would sack it mat.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So where can people find the both of you online?
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  Speaker 4: Do you have any social media or any any sites?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the Pretendermovie dot com is kind of our
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: home home base there, the Pretender Movies on Instagram, Facebook,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: and the name of our production company is free Age
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: and the website to that is Free.
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  Speaker 6: Age Productions dot com. And again ERNs good.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, Jim, I just stepped on your line.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 5: No, I was just gonna say, but if people want
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: to follow the Pretender movie, the most updated is proplay
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  Speaker 5: or Instagram com.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Instagram has become, you know, my slowly
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  Speaker 4: become my favorite social media site. A lot of really
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  Speaker 4: cool stuff, you know, you can get done on there,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: and you know a lot not a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: ads and stuff like the old ones. Well for the
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: time being, but guys, I want to say thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much for coming.
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  Speaker 6: On cool, thank you, thanks for having us by.
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