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Talks to Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Ambassadors of Death (6/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to hunt with a
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  blunt. Penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentaries podcast, which is stuck in space being menaced by
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  a big giant space UFO. Hi, I'm Fraser, I'm joined here
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  today by the wonderful Jewel. Ford see.
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  Hello Joe, hello, Joe. I'm here to hello.
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  Oh nice. Is it to get to do that joke
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  yourself? Yeah fabulous on.
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  See my life ambition I think. Bring the puck also it in now.
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  Now I V do it and we left oh question for me.
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  Yeah I do. What was that?
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  Huge glowing also a store at the end of the last episode we
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  didn't even talk about it. There was absolutely no way to
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  talk about Jon Pertwee. Whole light bulb, he Glitters,
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  even his asshole. I know he can be difficult at
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  times. I don't know Season it, you
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  know, he's a bit. He's a bit slow on Julie's,
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  anybody. Honestly, I've heard all the
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  stories. No, you know what?
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  It's very exciting, you know? Because this season pulls off
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  something incredible, we've had six seasons of Doctor Who it
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  fucking space and suddenly now he's grounded on Earth.
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  This feels very refreshing. Yeah.
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  It does because it's played so well, it's played real.
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  It's played not just like, oh well we need to get into space
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  and like two scenes, later, the doctors in space warp had a
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  whole episode of, you know, plottin to get em, get em up
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  there, probably started out to a foreign.
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  That's where the seeds that were dealt them with.
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  Had the whole episode, with the fuel and brother bottom of had
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  the drama with them, you know, getting to you remember in the
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  seeds of death when L dried said, I just like going to have
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  a rocket available. How are you?
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  I've been dispatched. It's what gets I've got one of
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  my backyard. Keep a slow death of which we
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  will be covering soon. Yes, we will.
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  Fraser is not a fan. Yeah, it's an interesting
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  effect. Is it that spaceship?
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  It seems like a bit, do it. Reminds me of the Doomsday
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  Machine from the original series Star Trek?
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  Oh yes. It looks just like yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean it's obviously the spent all the money here.
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  This is I think this is hapax first.
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  Doctor Who story? Yeah, they only did seven and
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  eight in, they happen. Yeah.
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  Or did it say that was as well, didn't they?
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  I thought I was the Navy was lit.
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  The near the you joined in but that's why the numbers were
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  swelled. It was sort of lakes, your
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  Stewart fell coming in and then when he's back flips and came
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  out until that fabulous story about being on the hovercraft of
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  all this all the sailors and the Habit boys and it was tossing
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  her back and forth, amongst all of them and she's never been
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  happier. Honestly, I've never been so
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  jealous. Of a doctor who actress.
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  You got the DVD of this? Ya do ya have you watched the
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  making of? Yes, I have.
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  Have you seen the scene with The Hobbit boys in the sauna?
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  Yes, I have every wild that one of you do my God, they were so
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  pretty. Honestly, they were gorgeous.
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  Yeah. But see when you surprised that
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  gets a BJ for that seem to be honest, but no way, we always
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  advise fleeting, isn't it? It's again, if that's you sort
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  of you Haven't got the DVD and you like seeing naked stuntmen
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  there. Yes.
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  One by the ambassador's of death.
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  No, well, we have which I did and I enjoyed the spaceship.
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  I can't believe I'm taking us away from naked men, in a sauna.
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  What the hell is going on? The spaceship is clearly a bit
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  of cardboard but they put up against.
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  But you know what makes it so effective is?
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  We can't hear it but it's the sound effect of that.
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  Wow, that's really scary. I said the special effect on the
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  best in One because I think the have put all the money in the
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  helicopters and motorbikes and people falling off these things.
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  And you've got the, the rocket launch and as well, which is
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  very much a cardboard rocket with a birthday candle sticking
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  out of the bottom of it. And these things don't bother me
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  as well. This comes night, but well,
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  until they do as we've also discussed.
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  And yeah, I think that the one of the all-time scariest moments
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  of Doctor Who is in this episode, you know, and I'm not
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  going to tell you now, but it's coming up.
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  In this episode. Is this all seven?
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  I think it's this one. What should we dive in and get
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  to it then. Let's go.
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  See it, shall we? I'm asking this time then in
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  five, four, three, two, one on off we go, you know, I do.
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  So one thing we haven't discussed because we talked over
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  the top of it, is the Cliffhanger for the Sea episode
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  5, which probably is the weakest one of this story.
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  I would say. What the spaceship coming?
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  I am? Yeah, it's because it destroys
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  or fully. We talked about this earlier,
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  but a lot of the Cliffhanger seem to be in the wrong place.
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  You'd think the Cliffhanger would be the doctor, you know,
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  with the industrial blower. And he's faced you know about to
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  explode and Smith you think that will be the Cliffhanger.
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  But no, it's a spaceship up here and you think that going back
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  the whole, you know, how many beans make five Cliffhanger and
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  why does that work so well? And I think the reason is is
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  because of how sudden it hits ya, You know what?
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  We've got here for the first time.
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  Is that scream going into the end Theme?
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  But what sets this different from other stories is we don't
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  get the screen before the titles.
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  It's very tough on the a bit jarring.
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  If I want these, that's what makes it work is because you
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  have like, might cut it open and then boom, scream.
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  Yeah, you know, it cuts to the credits, you have the spaceship
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  appearing, there you go, there's your bullet real asshole.
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  You do and then it's boom into the scream into the credits.
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  Where is after this, you get to scream over the last image, then
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  in the credits, I think that really works well in the story
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  to make these Cliffhangers a lot more.
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  It is, I think unique and effective for that because it
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  comes out of Norway. You don't see it coming and you
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  just leaves you thinking, what bloody hell, man!
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  What happens next? You can't leave it there.
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  You can't leave us hanging with cut it open or other thing.
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  You've ever sounded more from where you're from?
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  Just saying, You know, you say it I'm going to disagree with
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  you. Now something very shocking that
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  very rarely happens for dinner. You said that you thought this
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  episode was quite padded. I think this episode is actually
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  pretty essential. I would say the last episode was
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  probably the most padded where we're running around the pipes
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  and, and all the stuff with Lennox.
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  Like it's good stuff. Don't get me wrong but I think
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  you yeah, excise it without Too much difficulty.
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  But these sequences in a minute where he comes in, and they're
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  all sitting around in that, or you are looking, right?
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  Oh, I love this. Look at this.
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  Freaky fucking CSO. Now, as he comes, I think out,
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  dude Dudley's, doing the music, dude, which is fantastic, but I
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  think in this episode, the pattern becomes more apparent
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  because, you know, it's how he gets out and then he just sort
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  of Glides down. That's lovely.
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  It's brilliant. Light Fraser so it's kind of a
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  bit unknowable, isn't it? It it's it's what Ferguson does
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  in Applause vac source as well. Is it kind of goes for free?
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  No actually he's getting smaller as it goes towards Bowl.
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  Its head into the asshole Jon Pertwee.
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  Sorry. He goes, no, no.
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  But these sequences, I minute, they have a lovely trip.
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  You feel to them because of the lighting because they're all
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  behaving as if they're in Mission Control.
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  Yeah. And watching the football, this
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  is brilliant, but I think the later assume we're obviously,
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  the doctor comes back to Earth and he's decontaminating.
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  Then what happens is we even claims back into the pipes and
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  put some more as well? Yeah, that's where it starts to
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  feel. That's the point where I start
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  to feel a little bit of repetition and I think are well,
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  okay, but we all kind of doing the same thing as we've just
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  done. So when know that vegans kind of
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  broken and sabotage the fuel, but you can still break in and
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  sabotage the gas as well, or were she would not be making a
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  bit more. We like I said, we know at that
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  point. They're they're desperately just
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  jamming stuff into. Yeah phenomenon.
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  Again, it's like, it's like I say, it's nothing that I would
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  particular say, well, cut this whole episode out, or cut this
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  out and meet us down to six, you know, it's just not feeling.
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  This is where the feeling of a little bit of stock.
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  Gets in but I'm quite happy to take that.
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  Because what is this bizarre venetian blind effect here where
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  you see the ambassador's face coming through in a minute?
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  Like he's not doing anything like in a way that you predict
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  Michael Ferguson is that, you know, he's constantly throwing
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  very odd visuals at you at this point and it's a nice contrast
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  as well, because everything we've seen so far, has been very
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  Urban, very down to earth very minimal. so it is a nice
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  contrast and it, but it's still a very sort of terrestrial field
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  of this, you know, that you can imagine this Bayon wat someone's
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  living room in the 70's look like with a TV.
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  That's that's rounded like that. And it's on a glass and chrome
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  table Sykes, exactly. Oh, there he is.
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  With his looks like a mummy doesn't he like, you know what I
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  mean, there's a lot of hand acting going on here.
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  I was numb. Obviously this is a terrible
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  thing for me to do on a Potter. Now, that is something that's
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  worth discussion as well, because I do think that we can
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  mock, you know, I The optra in the web planet and any sort of
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  actor that's doing exaggerated alien body movements, but
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  actually, it is more fun than just standing there.
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  And well, exactly. Because you because you because
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  I'm not seeing them clearly because it's behind a venetian
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  blind, which again, is this distorted with the say yes?
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  Or, you know, the needs to be something there.
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  The so that it's not just like a robot of a voice coming from a
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  monitor to see if there's actually a living creature
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  saying they see money says about that.
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  Actually in the cause of access commentary the bit where the
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  axon is going around. Then the Newton complex and she
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  goes like he's just he's just walking like a person.
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  Yeah, okay so that's not really very scary, is it?
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  Because I can think of like you know, and you know, Kate
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  managed, she's batshit crazy, she could go, I can think of a
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  million ways of doing this so you know, in a more alien way,
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  the Stewart Bevin goes gone, then you guys won't do it now.
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  I'll do once, we've done that record.
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  Blessed are back on Earth. Another brilliant scene with the
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  Brigadier. Cornish in the Brigadier now are
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  stopping us, the corn, she's kind of playing the part of the
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  doctor. Carrington is coming in is being
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  quite unhinged and is you know wanting a blast, the giant
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  asshole out of space with nuclear missiles and Cornish is
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  like, don't be ridiculous in any, let me test the Brigadier,
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  are you suggesting? We do this as well and the big
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  was no, I think we should wait and find out more information
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  and it's just Unusual for the Brigadier, isn't it?
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  And I want to blow the shit out of it?
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  Well it's a progression isn't from say Rubens where we has
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  literally blown the shit out of everything.
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  And now he's actually, you know, and your Brigadier from last
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  story might well have gone without.
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  But now we have a bit of aggression with the Brigadier
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  where we says, nope, that's not the right course of action.
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  And again, it just speaks volumes to that character of how
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  far we've come that friendship with the doctors really say.
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  Is there a bit of push in the other direction and later on
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  when He is just blowing things up and shooting things and it's
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  because you just becomes. I think he loses his authority.
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  Doesn't he loses? A kind of depth of
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  characterization will see. Yas Yas one you know another
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  group seen a moment in the episode 7 where he gets to you
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  know throw some fisticuffs around and what are but what
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  you'll find what then happens is obviously we've got been turning
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  ye to comes back in last year. It is introduced next series so
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  you have Bridget. Yeah, you have yet and Benton.
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  So yet and bent and do the majority of the soldierin.
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  The Brigadier is left is more of a commander and by sidelining
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  him like that, it becomes more of, you know, I never thought
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  there's absolutely something to that.
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  But they start getting the Lion's Share of the action in
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  something, like the demons is they should just outside the
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  barrier. Yeah, arguing with also the same
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  thing. I mean, whilst Benson and Yates
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  are doing all the soldiers, but he's doing in this season,
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  exactly. He got to do so much more than
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  this and he's so much better fits, but it's sort of like, the
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  mind of evil is the Bit where we actually see the Brigadier, you
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  know, he dresses up. He puts on his accent, fantastic
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  in helps. When the god, when he's in the
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  series of the cat, he's amazing. It's really the last real bit of
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  if Soldier and we get to see the Brigadier doing after that years
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  very much relegated to I think I think that the one seen after
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  that Amanda really is great. Is that bit an invasion of
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  dinosaurs where he refuses to hand over the doctor to the
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  general? You know?
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  And I do think there's like a laugh.
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  Last ditch attempt there yes give unit a bit of muscle again
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  where they become a bit cuddly at that point.
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  And this is it there's a girl a lot of muscle from unit in this
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  because there's a lot of soldiers will see them do a lot
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  of soldier and lot of shoes, or a lot of muscle.
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  So it but again, I think the biggest mistake is to meet them
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  more that comedy figure and be like, I'm just gonna put your
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  brigadier-general, always afraid this question out to the
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  audience. Then, let's see what our second
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  all Benton and Yates the downfall of the Brigadier and
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  could because then when he comes back in, more than Undead, and
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  in Battlefield, like, the focus is on him again, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it's quite interesting again.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  The gonna ask for his appearance in the Sarah, Jane Adventures.
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  That's just fabulous. And when he took out that cane
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  destroyed, that guy was amazing - it's such a good character.
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  I just think, as I've said, quite a few times, I would you
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  just the direction he goes after this story after the series?
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  I'm really glad that will get, you know, Season 11 with, you
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  know, the time Warrior. Yeah.
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  You know, with envision. Angels.
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  And then with planet of the spiders, where we get back to
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  something, which is more like this relationship where we get
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  back to them, you know, go and open on a night out doctor, and
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  the Brigadier going to see your show Othello shops again.
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  Yeah, there were shouts again. We had a question about so
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  shops, didn't work. We did hang on a minute.
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  I'm going to, I'm going to dig it up now.
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  Get out Twitter doing the beers. Okay?
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  Okay. You ready for this?
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  Yep. So, who is the best shirts are
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  all shop? So you ready the professor from
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  Planet of the spiders archimandrite from Androids of
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  Tara? Oh the professor again the
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  archaeologists from Tomb of the Cybermen of course the professor
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  from this he's good at a professor this guy.
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  I think he says Splendid chaps off.
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  Which one do you think is in? There are shops?
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  I am going to go with Lennox. I think Lennox Is be occupied,
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  right? Even he's fabulous hat.
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  It's a great. Huh?
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  Just again and it sold out of what shops is given to work
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  with. In this one you know he's given
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  so much opportunity to show range, you know.
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  Sure. Like a character Who's down on
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  his luck. Who's coming to something that
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  you probably shouldn't have done?
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  He's been a little bit coerced. He's Locked up is, you know,
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  when he has to try and redeem himself but it doesn't end well.
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  And just the whole, the whole range of them is, is really
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  fantastic appraisal. We just talked over my moment,
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  your moment. This I thought this is the bit
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  where leash or goes in and the Ambassador takes off his mask
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  and yeah, truly horrific makeup, they put on their and Michael
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  Ferguson. Does this bizarre Choice.
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  It's so jarring. This is why I find it bit scary
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  of He like cut scene Cuts in Cuts in cutscene.
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  So we're kind of like repeating the action over and over again.
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  And then Caroline John's reaction to it is absolute
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  Terror and she's smashing on the door.
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  Yeah, it's so scary and we've been waiting like what?
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  Four episodes 5 episodes to see what's under that mask and it
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  doesn't disappoint. It doesn't disappoint and be one
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  of the reasons. It doesn't disappoint us because
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  how briefly were say it it's good.
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  It is That quick Flash and this just even when you see it at the
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  glass there, it's obscured it for you and kind of see this
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  weird lumpy shapes of the head but here too.
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  And I think sometimes we've Doctor Who monsters.
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  The the problem is, is overexposure.
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  Yeah, you know, like they could have made the Merkur work.
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  If I just turn the lights down, either pair of glowing eyes and
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  a rough shape. It could have been fucking
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  terrifying. It could have been.
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  You think they even someone like showers Jack You know, we have,
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  we spend all of undesigning with checks mask on and then we don't
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  Parry sees it. And reacts we don't see his
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  face. We only see his face when he
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  comes into the final confrontation, and you think,
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  well, there's nothing. That the BBC can do in terms of
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  makeup that's going to match that reaction from Nicola grind.
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  Yeah, the so you're not face so ultimately it's not going to
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  work, you know, it's a good job but you know with this as well
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  you know because we don't say it enough.
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  If you think if you were watching this back in 1971,
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  whatever and you weren't able to replay it, you would just be
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  like Holy crap. What was that?
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  What was that? Yeah I don't think you see them
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  again. It's just that's it that's your
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  exposure and kind of like it is so blink and you miss it.
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  Yeah. Look like you're like oh my God.
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  It's horrific. Are we going to see some more of
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  that? No.
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  The only thing you're going to remember.
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  It was absolutely horrific. Yeah.
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  Tony look like it looked like somebody who had terrible like
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  radiation. Yeah.
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  And some scars and then I've kind of face of know-it-all that
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  fellow in Resurrection adult. It will stop.
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  Oh here's your parting. Now as I go into SG-1 command.
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  Okay, for exact, well I'm going to first look on got to do this
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  and some of the questions from Twitter you ready?
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  Okay. So Gareth murtagh ass how did
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  the Brigadier? Not get someone to Geneva for an
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  interview without coffee after this?
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  I know it's drama but units inability to do basic security
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  checks is staggering and Ruins the story for me em.
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  I mean obviously was he probably was blamed on coming and you
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  know, he probably you know the had a debrief and sorted out
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  what they're going to do, better next time sort of thing.
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  But it's one of these things where it's like, okay, so Regan
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  manages to break back in having previously broken back in now,
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  is that a fault of unit is that to the detriment of unit or was
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  that to the praise of Regan? So it's not a you know, it's
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  obvious is in units of it, ship, it security here, all we see and
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  we're going, is that good? You can literally walk into this
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  installation price. Oh no, I think we see many
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  examples in the future of the unit is pretty terrible as you.
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  They managed to lose a fucking missile in the next season the
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  pasta. Yeah, you know the already lost
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  the shuttle and other the recovery 7 probe in this one.
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  So we can't keep saying like, you know, I'll well, you know,
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  it's bad day for them. They're up against the master,
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  they're up against Reagan, like they just got.
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  Oh my God look at her. Whe and that dress at the house
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  dressing gown does they look fabulous?
• 21:15
  I think em I mean if Unit were sort of like Navy SEAL level,
• 21:22
  SES level, you know operatives then a lot of Doctor Who stories
• 21:27
  will be a lot shorter. Not a lot less.
• 21:29
  Interesting. Ah I see I think you could be
• 21:31
  right, can you yeah actually, yeah, because if they were good
• 21:33
  at their job, we've missed that whole sequence where they take
• 21:35
  away, that always see it. But you know, yeah, well I think
• 21:39
  you know, it's again, it's you can look at it as unit being
• 21:42
  shit or you can look at it as being a sign of how good these
• 21:47
  this organization that attacking them is.
• 21:50
  You'd look at like the Bond films.
• 21:52
  Then it's, you know, pretty much all of the, the Daniel Craig
• 21:55
  Bond films. You think, you know you know
• 21:58
  these organizations are pulling out of pulling out like massive
• 22:01
  set pieces. Out of there was a wooden
• 22:03
  whatnot and You know, doing all this wonderful thing and that's
• 22:07
  always a sign of how good they are how competent and how
• 22:11
  skilled the the organizations are.
• 22:13
  It's never a case of you know James bondish it or MI6.
• 22:17
  This yet it's always a case of look how good blofeld is.
• 22:20
  Look how good the villain is this way.
• 22:21
  Yeah, exactly. But then you start to think well
• 22:24
  you know the villains are always that good.
• 22:25
  Well there maybe just get a bit better what you do because
• 22:27
  you're going to see another villain that good next week, you
• 22:29
  know. Yeah, it comprises me about Jon
• 22:32
  Pertwee because I think there's something about the scene in
• 22:36
  dressing gown a minute ago and when he put on his frilly shirt
• 22:39
  and all that. Well I think he's actually a
• 22:41
  little bit ahead of his time in that he is.
• 22:44
  And I don't mean this detrimentally, he is a bit of a
• 22:47
  mincer and he is a bit FEI and genteel and a bit feminine he's
• 22:54
  got a bit of a bouffant hair cut, not and yet he is
• 22:58
  completely masculine. Quite violent.
• 23:01
  He's clearly very confident and in charge of the show.
• 23:05
  And I, like, I love that mix. He's very confident with his
• 23:09
  identity. Yes.
• 23:11
  Yeah. I mean pretty sure.
• 23:12
  I don't think you saw a lot of that in the 70s, like, like like
• 23:15
  men were kind of men, you know, where as he's got.
• 23:19
  I like a feminine element to him.
• 23:21
  I mean, this is this is like sort of, you know, the 70's at
• 23:24
  the age of like the Sweeney and ya know that sort of thing in
• 23:28
  this is very sweetie, this isn't it Regan would fit what I think.
• 23:31
  We said this previously that reading would fit right in in
• 23:34
  this weenie. And yet me a job, poetry, you
• 23:39
  know, I love the bit in planner Daleks were he's doing his
• 23:41
  escape attempt and he pulls out, he goes on and see Hankey, you
• 23:44
  know, he's such a mincer, but he's so comfortable with it.
• 23:50
  Yeah, it's like Adam adamant as well as in it but sort of yeah,
• 23:53
  the Scarlet Pimpernel as well. That sort of foppishness where
• 23:57
  it was which is disguised as a bit of Steel underneath your
• 24:01
  eyes. It's such a weird contrast cause
• 24:03
  I'm never, you know, I never don't believe it, he's all Man
• 24:07
  Jon Pertwee. Yeah I bet it was I left France
• 24:09
  and I jesus but I don't know there's just something very
• 24:13
  Dandy is about and I really really love Only Yesterday under
• 24:17
  you, do we think Arrington at all in the last seven he's just
• 24:21
  turned up now. Yes, pop back.
• 24:24
  That's because he's been, you know, murdering Lennox, that's
• 24:27
  it. All right.
• 24:29
  You know, at the highest levels. Trying to get that rocket from.
• 24:32
  Yeah. It's like being taken off and
• 24:34
  yeah, and all looks well, of course, she's got the measure of
• 24:37
  me, he's in seeing. Yeah, I think he's mad, you
• 24:39
  know, these to know exactly what's what the crackers, but
• 24:44
  obviously current. And is a little bit, is a
• 24:47
  general behind what than a brigadier do we find out why?
• 24:50
  So is that a phobic? Yes, we do.
• 24:53
  Why is it It. It's because he was on Mars.
• 24:55
  Probe 6. So the whole course.
• 24:58
  Yeah. The whole and his crew died.
• 25:00
  Yeah. One of these one of these.
• 25:02
  So he met the ambassador's initially on Mars and one of his
• 25:07
  crew died because they didn't realize that if they touch the
• 25:10
  human, they would kill them instantly.
• 25:12
  And, and then, the whole thing was set in place of like, well,
• 25:17
  we'll have ambassadors and, you know, what's an ambassador's
• 25:19
  worth, but he because of his fear and his any Obeah around
• 25:25
  the death of his crewmate as then come up with this plan of.
• 25:30
  Well, you know, these are aliens, the, you know, it's a
• 25:34
  bad thing. We'll take, we'll use the
• 25:36
  ambassador's to our advantage and robbed a bar, and then it's
• 25:40
  Regan Hill. He employs the employees, Regan
• 25:42
  and Regan. It was the one that say, well,
• 25:43
  actually, we can use them to do more than this, or Regan become
• 25:48
  sort of like the focus of the piece but current ends up
• 25:52
  pulling the strings because Because of what happened to him
• 25:54
  on on Mars previously. I think obviously, in the last
• 25:58
  episode, basically, you know, Karen 10 is unmasked to be
• 26:01
  behind this whole fear. It could have been a little
• 26:04
  clearer, I think as we've gone through, but as we've said this
• 26:07
  script, when I look at the way you stroking her face there, I
• 26:10
  know. You know what, I think, people
• 26:12
  always point at Pertwee and Manning, but there's a couple of
• 26:16
  moments between poetry and John and Pertwee and slayed him.
• 26:19
  Yeah. It's almost as intimate.
• 26:20
  As you see. I don't know and Yin in the
• 26:22
  classic series It's very unfortunate his gaze and right
• 26:25
  up as good as he says that. But what's happened to you,
• 26:31
  let's lie. No, you again.
• 26:34
  And now we've got like the doctor and there's back together
• 26:37
  again and they spend some time that they making that the piece
• 26:42
  of equipment. So they communicate with them
• 26:44
  and again, that takes a little time except of time, but it's
• 26:47
  more than that. It's, you know, the doctor being
• 26:49
  really clever understand. Well, this man doesn't know if
• 26:52
  I'm going to build a device to talk.
• 26:53
  To the aliens or device to pick up Sky Sports or device to do
• 26:56
  what about? So I'll build one that actually
• 26:58
  sends Morse code to unit and it attracts pours tea salt.
• 27:03
  Okay, what I've got another pistol can enjoy football as
• 27:06
  well. Joe, I know it's harder than Joy
• 27:09
  football and Doctor Who it's the hottest thing ever and say.
• 27:11
  This is why you're so hot. Jack Korea has a question while
• 27:15
  we're talking about Liz. If they had known Carol and John
• 27:19
  would be leaving, could this have been remodeled to be the
• 27:22
  last story of the Seas? With Liz going off with the
• 27:25
  scientists. I think that's a potentially
• 27:29
  good idea. If they'd have known, no one
• 27:32
  could have done. I do think infernal so good
• 27:35
  under the series because of the way we get that, you know, we
• 27:39
  get to see everyone that we've got used to over the last sort
• 27:43
  of, you know, 20 episodes or whatever and become evil.
• 27:47
  You know, if you moved in for a little bit further that wouldn't
• 27:50
  have quite as much in effect because you wouldn't be like,
• 27:52
  well, I know this Isn't the brigadiere know this isn't this
• 27:56
  Benton and so on what I would have liked maybe is just give
• 28:03
  Kerry John a couple of episodes of autons so bring Kate you
• 28:07
  Manning in and have that have the two of them in there
• 28:10
  together and have the bit where Carrie where Liz goes we know
• 28:12
  what doctor, you've got your Grant.
• 28:14
  Now you don't need me. I'm you know, obviously the
• 28:18
  people I do need me of the ones with the meteorites who can't
• 28:21
  keep a hold of them because people keep walking in steel and
• 28:23
  I'm going to go back to that and that's perhaps I would have
• 28:26
  liked to see it. See it go because I do love Liz.
• 28:29
  I do love the sure. I think she's a fantastic
• 28:31
  companion. I think she was sorely under
• 28:34
  useful, just one one season. I would love to see more of her,
• 28:38
  but again, it's a trade-off. The more Liz, you get, the
• 28:42
  Lester will grant, you get through, but I also think it's
• 28:46
  well, it's a shame but like these characters were a bit
• 28:49
  disposable back. Then we'll look at Poly and been
• 28:52
  looker, dodo. Do ya?
• 28:54
  You know, is if you're lucky if you get Victoria or a Joe
• 28:58
  grunting. Yep.
• 28:59
  You know, even. Sarah.
• 29:00
  Jane. That's that's very last minute,
• 29:03
  isn't it? Yeah.
• 29:05
  So I don't, I don't think this is unusual but yeah, she's so
• 29:10
  good as you deserve better than the show.
• 29:12
  Absolutely. She did.
• 29:14
  He waffled at the end of the episode ended.
• 29:16
  So Carolyn is revealed shock horror as the still being behind
• 29:22
  everything. It is my moral duty, that's what
• 29:25
  it is. Isn't it at the end?
• 29:27
  So, that's a good Cliffhanger because what happened is that
• 29:30
  Regan was supposed to kill the doctor, but didn't because he
• 29:32
  knew the doctor will probably be useful to him.
• 29:34
  So, he rather than killing him. He just gassed him a little bit,
• 29:37
  but, um, back to Ambassador THQ for some forever, wash your
• 29:41
  whatever. And You know, put says, longer
• 29:45
  to put the doctor to work building something so I can
• 29:47
  communicate with you and it's probably still going to do
• 29:48
  proper, proper wrong and things not covered in to plan, it sort
• 29:53
  of against what current in the said but current and comes in
• 29:55
  and realizes the doctors a life should be dead.
• 29:56
  Suppose a good on them says, it's my moral duty and we have
• 30:01
  another fantastic bit of Michael Ferguson editing of the gun.
• 30:05
  The doctor, the gun that up to dig the ditch and then, okay, Is
• 30:12
  my moral duty that line has layers?
• 30:15
  Yes, that's the sort of thing. I can imagine someone saying
• 30:18
  government now, when talking about immigration and things
• 30:21
  like that, you know, like it's Timeless absolutely.
• 30:25
  When you're talking about it's the will of the people.
• 30:29
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:30
  When you're talking about, you know, ejecting Outsiders it's it
• 30:35
  has a darker meaning than perhaps we're going to, we're
• 30:38
  going to ship everyone to Rwanda because it's the will of the
• 30:41
  people. My that was a almost a very dark
• 30:44
  day, wasn't it? But And we'll talk about this in
• 30:49
  episode 7. It does, the Russell T Davies
• 30:53
  thing, and I think Russell Davis versus particularly well, it
• 30:56
  doesn't condemn him for what he thinks.
• 31:00
  No, that's really important because in classic Who there is
• 31:04
  very black and white. Yeah, this isn't black and
• 31:07
  white. This is a very Shades of Grey
• 31:09
  and the important thing isn't how the other characters react
• 31:12
  to him is how the doctor reacts to him, you know, in Nightmare
• 31:16
  of Eden, when there's oxygen is go.
• 31:18
  Go away. That is him condemning.
• 31:20
  Yep. Trillest for drug whining.
• 31:22
  But actually what happens in the last episode of this, which
• 31:24
  we'll talk about. It is fascinating.
• 31:28
  Yes, and unusual.